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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. The evidence coming fast and

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Speaker 1: furious from the witness stand in the Alex Murder double

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Speaker 1: murder trial. In the last moments, the prosecutor, who's got

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Speaker 1: him across examination, asked, you know what you're just now

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Speaker 1: telling us you were really at the kennels after you've

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Speaker 1: been denying it since the night of the murders. Well,

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Speaker 1: the defense has already jumped up like a jack in

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Speaker 1: a box. I got to give him credit for speed

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Speaker 1: and objected based on the Fifth Amendment right to remain silent.

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Speaker 1: Here's the kicker. Their client chose not to remain silent

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Speaker 1: and has taken the stand. And oh, I'm hearing in

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Speaker 1: my ear joining me right now. Crime scene expert and

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Speaker 1: star of a new hit podcast, Zone seven and founder

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Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCullum is

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Speaker 1: with us. Cheryl, all this time he's been saying I

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Speaker 1: was not at the kennels, and now suddenly at trial

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Speaker 1: that story changes. That's what I'm saying, Cheryl, And maybe

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Speaker 1: that's a good example that the defense will sit back

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Speaker 1: and wait and watch to see what the state puts up,

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Speaker 1: and then they will craft and tell her their defense

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Speaker 1: strategy based on the evidence the jury has heard, such as,

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Speaker 1: once all the financial crimes came in, he now is saying, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I did that, and I'm so proud. I've been sober

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Speaker 1: for what had What did he say, Jackie three hundred

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Speaker 1: five hundred days since I guess since he's been in jail,

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Speaker 1: so he'll take that. Before he would never have admitted

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Speaker 1: to that, But now since it got into evidence, the

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Speaker 1: story is changing. Now since his voice has been identified

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Speaker 1: as being in those kennels with Paul and Maggie about

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Speaker 1: two or three minutes before they're murdered, he said, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was there, now that I think about it, I

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Speaker 1: was there then I left. So we see a strategy

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Speaker 1: go ahead. We grew up in a profession that says,

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Speaker 1: if you lie about one thing, you've lied about everything.

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Speaker 1: So once he's admitting, oh yeah, I lied about that,

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Speaker 1: I live the whole time. I lied to everybody. I

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Speaker 1: lied to clients, I learned, you know, I lied to

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Speaker 1: law partners, I lied to my children, I lied to

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Speaker 1: my wife, alied to my parents, alied to my brothers.

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Speaker 1: Then what to say, You're not lying right now about that,

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Speaker 1: you didn't do it? So the jury's going to have

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Speaker 1: a lot to absorb with this to recognize he lied,

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Speaker 1: which also dramatically changes that timeline. So now you've got

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Speaker 1: what two minutes before you leave and this killer supposedly

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Speaker 1: shows up. They're gonna have a hard time buying that.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I took some notes on that during testimony yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I mean they're going to have to argue that he

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Speaker 1: was at the kennels, then he leaves. Then within the

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Speaker 1: next three minutes the killers see him leave and then

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Speaker 1: race him committed double murder? What's the motive? And then

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Speaker 1: leave before he can get back. I'm laughing so hard.

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Speaker 1: You got to hear this. I was looking at social

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Speaker 1: last night. Some people say you're the one that always

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Speaker 1: brings the dog aspect in why didn't the dogs bark?

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Speaker 1: from someone named Adorable deplorable. She says, OMG, I guess

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Speaker 1: he's doing eighty mph at nine pm when to see

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Speaker 1: then she also writes later, Oh, I was wrong. He

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Speaker 1: always goes eighty mph down that country road. Cheryl McCallum

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Speaker 1: can tell you something. I think I told you this.

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Speaker 1: I was heading back to the courtroom on a Sunday night,

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Speaker 1: but I wanted to cook supper and eat with the

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Speaker 1: o'clock at night. For a really long drive. There were

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Speaker 1: at the Kennels. No, No, he was talking about after supper. Actually,

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Speaker 1: his story still doesn't make sense because the Kennel visit

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Speaker 1: his mom's house at Almida. But he's now saying he

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Speaker 1: That's his new thing. But you I want you to

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Speaker 1: address that. But also you sat Officer of the Court, Cheryl,

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Speaker 1: have you seen that he had a badge. He had

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Speaker 1: from police. And then the night of the Mallory Beach

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Speaker 1: I have never once displayed my badge that's impersonating an

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Speaker 1: But that is actually against the law to use a

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Speaker 1: but he was certainly using. Oh, which leads me to

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Speaker 1: the next thing. Did you know Mardon got a blue

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Speaker 1: Get the fake visited Mama? I reckon and Nanty. Can

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Speaker 1: you imagine if you had taken that badge when we

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Speaker 1: to arrest us? And you were such a big cheryl,

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Speaker 1: such a big hell. Yeah, I like I told you,

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Speaker 1: like I told you there. I love you, but I

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Speaker 1: something to stay out to make the bell payment. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I was taking on four guys. Did you notice they

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Speaker 1: solid black chasing down you. Me and bath Twitty, Like,

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Speaker 1: five pounds. Thank you very much for that. I've stood

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Speaker 1: back there and I'm like, look how huge these men are,

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Speaker 1: and y'all were both so tiny. They were all like westfrigerators. Hey, hey,

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Speaker 1: I got something else to tell you. I was looking

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Speaker 1: on social West night and all of a sudden, you know,

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Speaker 1: Alex Murdock is suddenly for the first time using endearing

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Speaker 1: moniker's nicknames for I wanted to ask you. Yes, you

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Speaker 1: have to hear this. This is from um hold on,

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Speaker 1: this is from Sally Thompson on Twitter. She wrote it

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Speaker 1: with a straight base. Ready, this is Alex Murdock speaking.

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Speaker 1: Mags and Pawpau have been talking to Row Row, Stinky Led,

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Speaker 1: he's trying to make it seem like, oh, we were

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Speaker 1: But again, that ain't how he referred to anybody on

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Speaker 1: What Shally just wrote up, I think is what the

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's going to be a family video.

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Speaker 1: There's not gonna be anything where he's talking to them

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. I wonder if you're not the only one

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Speaker 1: time stories with Nancy Grace. Here's another thing. Did you

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Speaker 1: read online, Sidney? At least one Lady Gerard was crying?

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Speaker 1: Is that real? I did and didn't tell me that

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Speaker 1: I'm adding to South Carolina, just so you know. And

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Speaker 1: about forty eight hours, I can't take it anymore. I've

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Speaker 1: Why would they be Maybe when he was addressing the

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Speaker 1: murders of Maggie and Paul. I hope they were crying

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Speaker 1: I don't want it. Let's just be real. He didn't

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Speaker 1: cry when Buster was testifined, and Buster didn't cry when

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Speaker 1: Daddy was testifying about Paul, Paul and Mags. So to me,

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Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of fakeness going on, and I

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Speaker 1: think the jury's gonna be able to see right through it.

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Speaker 1: Is that actually a word fakeness? Yes? Okay, you say yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: Paul on Snapchast. Well, that's what I'm saying, he's at

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about what that was. They had sat

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Speaker 1: in the room for how many months getting him ready?

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Speaker 1: He knew exactly what they were going to ask him,

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Speaker 1: and in what order to day is going to be

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Speaker 1: a different day. This is when the thing will be decided.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, Guys, Alex Marlock gonna tryal for double murder.

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Speaker 1: What a circuitous route to justice. We wait as justice unfolds.

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Speaker 1: I am headed to South Carolina, Cheryl, I wish you

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Speaker 1: were going to be in the minivan with me. Goodbye everybody. Hey,