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<v Speaker 1>In June twenty seventeen, an old cattle truck made its

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<v Speaker 1>way down Highway forty seven in Costa Rica. Another car,

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<v Speaker 1>a Hyundai SUV, was close behind. If you happened to

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<v Speaker 1>see the two vehicles on the road, well you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>think anything of it. There was nothing remarkable about them.

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<v Speaker 1>In each vehicle there were two men, three Costa Ricans

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<v Speaker 1>and one Mexican. They thought everything was going to plan. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>the cattle truck and the suv reached the outskirts of

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<v Speaker 1>the small town of Orotina, an hour or so away

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<v Speaker 1>from the capital San Jose. The bust was a complete

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<v Speaker 1>surprise and executed quickly. The men in the cattle truck

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<v Speaker 1>and the suv had no time to react. The police

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<v Speaker 1>and a specialized tactical unit congratulated each other. They were

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<v Speaker 1>prepared for a shootout, but luckily it hadn't come to that.

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<v Speaker 1>For more drug cartel stooges were now off the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>In the back of the cattle truck, police found two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty seven kilos of cocaine hidden in a

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<v Speaker 1>false bottom of the trunk. It was worth close to

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<v Speaker 1>twenty million dollars. They also found a GPS, night vision goggles,

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<v Speaker 1>two way radios, and a gun, classic equipment for drug runners.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the men arrested was very well known to

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<v Speaker 1>the authorities and most Costa Ricans. He was a big catch.

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<v Speaker 1>The police had been tracking him for a long time

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<v Speaker 1>and their patients had now paid off. The following day,

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<v Speaker 1>his mugshot would be on the front of every newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>in Costa Rica. Later, he would plead guilty to providing

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<v Speaker 1>logistical and operational support to drug gangs linked to the

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican cartels. Costa Rica was fast becoming the drug route

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<v Speaker 1>of choice for South American cartels the eventual destination of

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<v Speaker 1>those drugs the US. The well known Costa Rican was

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<v Speaker 1>sentenced to ten years in prison and publicly humiliated. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's something else about the man captured on that hot

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<v Speaker 1>June day. He had very close links to John and

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<v Speaker 1>Anne Bender from Exactly Right Media and iHeart podcasts produced

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<v Speaker 1>by Blanchard House. This is Helen Heaven. I'm Becky Milligan.

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<v Speaker 1>Two years before that drugs bust, and Bender was in

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<v Speaker 1>court waiting for a verdict again. It was the third

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<v Speaker 1>time she'd been on trial for murder. She'd hardly slept

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<v Speaker 1>a wink the night before, author Carol Vaughan.

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<v Speaker 2>No one had any idea whether she was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be found guilty or innocent, no idea whatsoever, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Sat behind her lawyer. She had a clear view of

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<v Speaker 1>the three judges who faced her from the bench. Friends

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<v Speaker 1>and family were there to support her. At nine point fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>the chief judge called the court to order. At last,

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<v Speaker 1>the verdict came on the charge of murdering her husband John,

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<v Speaker 1>Anne Bender was acquitted. In TV footage, at the moment

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<v Speaker 1>Anne realizes she's free, she looks completely blank for a

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<v Speaker 1>split second, as though she can't take it in. Then

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<v Speaker 1>she closes her eyes and squeezes them tight. Her lawyer

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<v Speaker 1>visibly relaxes and reaches a hand behind him to grab hands.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't speak or even look at each other, but

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<v Speaker 1>the release of tension and relief is obvious. Cameraman Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>Serrano was.

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<v Speaker 3>In court Ricardo El Momento, El Clovi.

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<v Speaker 4>She lowered her head and started to cry. She was weeping.

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<v Speaker 4>At last, she was able to release all that tension.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure it must have been a turning point for her.

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<v Speaker 4>Anne's life could never be the same from the non

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<v Speaker 4>because despite the harshness of all the trials and the process,

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<v Speaker 4>nothing compares to the loss of the person she had

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<v Speaker 4>chosen to share her life with, a comfortable life. None

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<v Speaker 4>of that was there anymore, whether or not she had

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<v Speaker 4>anything to do with his death. So that was the

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<v Speaker 4>most memorable moment for me when she started to cry

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<v Speaker 4>after hearing the verdict.

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<v Speaker 1>Anne is led out of the courthouse into the bright

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<v Speaker 1>light of day and freedom by her brother Ken. The

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<v Speaker 1>media scram is pushed away by her security. A minus

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<v Speaker 1>scuffle breaks out. Anne, who looks pale and dazed, is

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<v Speaker 1>using a cane to help her walk and holds onto

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<v Speaker 1>her brother's hand tightly. Her eyes are downcast. She doesn't speak.

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<v Speaker 1>Can it really all be over? Ken speaks briefly to

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<v Speaker 1>a gaggle of reporters outside the courthouse.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure, noppreciate that justice was served today, and my sister

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<v Speaker 5>did not murder her husband. She's not a murderer. There

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<v Speaker 5>was not enough circumstantial evidence to convict her for the

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<v Speaker 5>simple fact that there was no murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Anne is then whisked away in a car with blacked

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<v Speaker 1>out windows to the hotel Zimmer where she'd been staying.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing is on her mind to get out of

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<v Speaker 1>the country as soon as she can and return to

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<v Speaker 1>America before the Costa Rican authorities order another retrial. Her

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<v Speaker 1>passport had been confiscated, but the American embassy had managed

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<v Speaker 1>to slip her a replacement before the verdict. It's in

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<v Speaker 1>her jacket pocket. Kevin, the news cameraman, had listened closely

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<v Speaker 1>to the legal arguments. He was fascinated by the Benders

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<v Speaker 1>and their lavish but isolated lifestyle. It also made him

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<v Speaker 1>think about his homeland too. Are you Antia in this voice?

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<v Speaker 4>In a big picture, Costa Rica is seen as a

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<v Speaker 4>place of tranquility and peace, and when all this came

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<v Speaker 4>to light, people said, maybe it's not such a peaceful place.

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<v Speaker 1>By the end of the trial, he'd been convinced by

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecution's arguments that John didn't kill himself. He was

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<v Speaker 1>sure that the trial wouldn't be the end of the story.

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<v Speaker 6>Where is he?

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<v Speaker 4>If the wife was found not guilty, then who killed him?

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<v Speaker 1>It was a question which had simmed a long time

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<v Speaker 1>in John Kolvic's head too. One of the Bender's neighbors

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't think Anna killed John, but that didn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>someone else happened.

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<v Speaker 7>To this day, it still doesn't rest good with me.

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<v Speaker 7>Someone that wealthy at that house, I don't think his

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<v Speaker 7>wife pulled the trigger. And when they say there was

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<v Speaker 7>no one else there, she at that place is the

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<v Speaker 7>darkest jungle you've ever seen in your life. You have

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<v Speaker 7>no clue. He talked about sending a ninja in to

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<v Speaker 7>kill someone or whatever you'd like to call him. An assassin,

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<v Speaker 7>someone who's going to pull a trigger on a millionaire

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<v Speaker 7>with a doped up wife, Jesus Christ within the country

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<v Speaker 7>with no friends, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Why not? Why not?

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<v Speaker 7>Why not?

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin was proved right. Even though the court case had

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<v Speaker 1>come to an end, speculation and theories about what really

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<v Speaker 1>happened to John Bender didn't stop and continue to this day.

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<v Speaker 2>Carol Vaughan, there are opinions that flowed around saying that

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<v Speaker 2>people saw individuals running away from Guarakayan that night late.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just all kinds of things to be tidied up

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<v Speaker 2>and tied together.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin, the camera operator began to mull over who else

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<v Speaker 1>could have had a motive to kill John.

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<v Speaker 4>Any of the security team could have. Perhaps it was

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<v Speaker 4>someone he did business with and something went wrong. He

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<v Speaker 4>owed someone money. I think there's still a feeling that

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<v Speaker 4>the case has not been resolved.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one person whose name came up again and again.

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<v Speaker 1>We're at a prison in San Jose. We have to

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<v Speaker 1>go through tight security. Our bags, passports and phones are

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<v Speaker 1>put through an X ray scan. The man we are

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<v Speaker 1>coming to visit is the same man who was captured

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<v Speaker 1>at the start of this chapter, caught with two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty seven kilos of cocaine by the police, arrested

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<v Speaker 1>and jailed for ten years, very well known in Costa Rica.

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<v Speaker 1>We're taken into a small room. A man dressed in

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<v Speaker 1>a bright orange top is sitting at a table. He's

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<v Speaker 1>around fifty, trimmer and healthier than he looked in the

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<v Speaker 1>photos I've seen of the rest, but he still wears

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<v Speaker 1>an impressive thick mustache. The person sitting in front of

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<v Speaker 1>me is Jose Pizzarro, the Bender's head of security, the

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<v Speaker 1>colonel whom John trusted deeply, and the man who cared

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<v Speaker 1>for Anne after John died. Yes, what we haven't told

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<v Speaker 1>you is that when we interviewed him, he was in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>Jose Pizzaro, El Toro, the Bull, one time head of

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<v Speaker 1>the Costa Rican Police, now convicted criminal. This is his

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<v Speaker 1>first interview since Anne was acquitted in twenty fourteen. As

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<v Speaker 1>we settled down, I remind him how well respected and

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<v Speaker 1>trusted he'd been before his conviction, even earning an affectionate

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<v Speaker 1>nickname that makes him smile, Toro.

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<v Speaker 3>Where I live, everyone knows me by the name Toro Bull.

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<v Speaker 3>Some don't even know my real name. They just call

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<v Speaker 3>out on the street, Hey Bull, Hey Toro.

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<v Speaker 1>The smile fades quickly. His reputation is now in shreds.

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<v Speaker 1>He was publicly disgraced and shamed in Costa Rica. He

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<v Speaker 1>first met John after the couple were confronted on the

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<v Speaker 1>roadside in two thousand and one. Convinced they were going

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<v Speaker 1>to be kidnapped or even worse, John hired the former

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<v Speaker 1>chief of police to protect them. Jose Pisari worked for

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<v Speaker 1>them for ten years and has nothing but good things

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<v Speaker 1>to say about the couple.

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<v Speaker 6>She was a very nice person. She was very sweet.

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<v Speaker 6>She took care of her husband. He was like the

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<v Speaker 6>apple of her eye. They really made a very nice

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<v Speaker 6>couple and we got on from the beginning. Besides the

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<v Speaker 6>professional relationship, to put it in another way, we became friends.

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<v Speaker 6>They were very open, very friendly.

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<v Speaker 1>Those he hasn't seen or spoken to Anne since she

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<v Speaker 1>was acquitted. As we heard, Jose Pizzaro was arrested in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen, a few years after Anne had left Costa Rica,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's reported that the former police chief was under

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<v Speaker 1>surveillance well before that. In fact, as early as two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and nine, when Pizaro was working for the Benders,

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<v Speaker 1>a helicopter had come down in the mountainous Southern Zone

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<v Speaker 1>with three hundred and forty seven kilos of cacaine on board.

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<v Speaker 1>The first person at the scene of the crash, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it was reportedly Jose Pizzaro. Many speculate that the only

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<v Speaker 1>way he could have been at the crash site so

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<v Speaker 1>fast was because he was involved in the smuggling operation.

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<v Speaker 1>So Kevin, the cameraman who covered Anne's trial, began to

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if John rom Bender had inadvertently or not got

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<v Speaker 1>mixed up with the drug cartels through his head of security, Josekisaro.

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<v Speaker 3>Is Tyli Gao Conrakotraviotli.

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<v Speaker 4>Between two thousand and seven and two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 4>a helicopter loaded with drugs crashed in the mountains. The

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<v Speaker 4>only person who managed to reach the place was Hossepi Serro.

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<v Speaker 4>It's presumed that he already had links with Mexican cartels

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<v Speaker 4>and that John might have been cut in the middle

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<v Speaker 4>of all this. That reinforces my belief he didn't kill himself.

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<v Speaker 1>But was murdered, possibly by someone who had links to

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<v Speaker 1>the drug gangs. It's yet another theory to add to

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<v Speaker 1>all the others and may sound a little far fetched,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's no evidence to suggest it's true. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no evidence at all Jose Pizarro was in any

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<v Speaker 1>way connected to John's death. Perhaps it's just too easy

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<v Speaker 1>to pin it all on this celebrity ex police chief

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<v Speaker 1>turned criminal. But Kevin wasn't the only one thinking along

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<v Speaker 1>these lines.

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<v Speaker 4>On the Star A lout of my Lady, Do.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember Carlos, the ambulance driver who was the first on

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<v Speaker 1>the scene of John's death in Boracayanne. He's convinced John

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<v Speaker 1>didn't kill himself and believes that Jose Pizzaro may have

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<v Speaker 1>been involved in some way. Again, though it's speculation. Like

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<v Speaker 1>with every part of this story, there are coincidences and

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<v Speaker 1>the unexplained. What are the chances that the person the

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<v Speaker 1>Benders hired to protect them is actually in bed with

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<v Speaker 1>violent criminals. It certainly got people talking, and again it

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<v Speaker 1>conveyed a certain mystique around the couple. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of also makes sense. Latin America's cartels are

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<v Speaker 1>infamous and Pizarro was an obvious target for them because

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<v Speaker 1>of his police connections, and those connections were also why

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<v Speaker 1>John and Ann hired him. He was the go to

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<v Speaker 1>guy in Costa Rica, which isn't a big place. Jose

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<v Speaker 1>Pizarre has spent five years in prison.

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<v Speaker 6>Which There's a lot more that I have to say,

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<v Speaker 6>but in my current situation, there is much that I

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<v Speaker 6>can't say. What I really want for Anne is that

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<v Speaker 6>she finds peace and tranquility and that she can face

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<v Speaker 6>whatever comes ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Jose gave evidence at all of Anne's trials. He believes

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<v Speaker 1>she's innocent and that the evidence showed that. He says

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<v Speaker 1>that he had nothing to do with John's death and

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<v Speaker 1>believes that John kills himself. As to why Jose mentions

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<v Speaker 1>the trust which John and Anne put their money into,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning they effectively lost control of their.

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<v Speaker 6>Fortune, well, I feel sorry about everything that happened to

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<v Speaker 6>John and Anne. If you dig a little deeper, you'll

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<v Speaker 6>find much more about the fraud management of the trust,

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<v Speaker 6>which I believe led John Bender to kill himself. I

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<v Speaker 6>hope everything's well for her, so that her family and

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<v Speaker 6>John's family find some peace. It's a shame what they're

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<v Speaker 6>going through tough. I know how difficult it has been

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<v Speaker 6>for both John's and Anne's family. I have nothing to

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<v Speaker 6>gain from this, but as a Costa Rican, I'm ashamed

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<v Speaker 6>to see these types of things happen in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked him about being arrested and his involvement with

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<v Speaker 1>the drug cartels personnel.

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<v Speaker 3>I come from humble beginnings. I'm from the countryside. However

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<v Speaker 3>I managed to rise to the highest position of the police.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I made a mistake. No, I committed a horror.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel ashamed for having committed such a thing. I

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<v Speaker 3>humbly ask for forgiveness to every citizen in this country

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<v Speaker 3>for committing a crime for which I am pain a

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<v Speaker 3>sentence in prison.

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<v Speaker 8>They are your indios.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe in God. I'm a human being and I failed.

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<v Speaker 3>But I want to be clear that that doesn't justify

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<v Speaker 3>what I did. Though I was no longer an officer

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<v Speaker 3>of the police force of this country when I committed

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<v Speaker 3>this crime. So as a human being, I might have failed,

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<v Speaker 3>but as a member of the police force, I never

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<v Speaker 3>did come on policia.

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<v Speaker 1>As Jose spoke, the tears began to roll freely down

0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.199
<v Speaker 1>his face. He wiped them away and then gave up

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<v Speaker 1>because they kept coming, wetting his cheeks and his chin

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<v Speaker 1>and his shirt. To us, they seemed to come from

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<v Speaker 1>a very profound sorrow and regret, but it's impossible to

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<v Speaker 1>know for sure if his tears were genuine. What did

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<v Speaker 1>leap outed us during the interview was rather cryptically. Jose

0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:37.360
<v Speaker 1>told us he had a lot more to say, but couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>We said goodbye. As we made our way out of

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<v Speaker 1>the prison, Jose was led in the opposite direction. The

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<v Speaker 1>last we saw of him was disappearing through several double doors,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're out of sight. When Anne got back to

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<v Speaker 1>the Zimmer hotel after the verdict, her family and friends

0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:14.080
<v Speaker 1>had lunch. It wasn't a loud, celebratory one, but quiet

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<v Speaker 1>and peaceful. After lunch, they gathered their bags and Anne

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<v Speaker 1>said goodbye to hotel owners Santiago and Anna.

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<v Speaker 8>We don't know where she's going to, but you know

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<v Speaker 8>she was going to go out of the country of course,

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<v Speaker 8>I don't ask her where. I said, by good luck,

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<v Speaker 8>that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Did she smile?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anne's brother thanked the hoteliers, saying he hoped it was

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<v Speaker 1>finally over, except the authorities had one last surprise for her.

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<v Speaker 1>All Anne wanted to do now was leave the country.

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<v Speaker 1>But would she be able to.

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<v Speaker 2>When she guid to the airport. Although she had a

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<v Speaker 2>new passport, she appeared on a no fly list. Costa

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<v Speaker 2>Rica had stopped her.

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<v Speaker 1>Author Carol Vaughan, she lost it.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand from people around her that she the poor thing.

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<v Speaker 2>She just fell apart. Her lawyer got her off that

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<v Speaker 2>no fly list super fast. I think it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 2>eight days. She was off and she was out of here.

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<v Speaker 1>She has never returned to Costa Rica. Now, all that

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<v Speaker 1>was left to remind people about the couple was the house.

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<v Speaker 1>Like so many people in Perizeladon, Santiago and Anna had

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<v Speaker 1>always been curious about the huge, full story home built

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<v Speaker 1>on a hill in the middle of the jungle. It

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<v Speaker 1>intrigued everyone, but the hoteliers had never seen it. After

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<v Speaker 1>the trials and Anne's departure, they decided to go and

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<v Speaker 1>have a look for themselves. When they arrived at the house.

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<v Speaker 1>It was empty, abandoned. Some of John and Ann's possessions

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<v Speaker 1>remained scattered around the four floors, without gardeners or anyone

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<v Speaker 1>to maintain the property. Nature was taking over the wallless house.

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<v Speaker 1>Animals were moving in.

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<v Speaker 8>It was it was glowing like a jungle because nobody

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<v Speaker 8>does nothing to the house. And the swimming pool there

0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:26.520
<v Speaker 8>was frogs and everything. Everything was down. The house in size,

0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:31.239
<v Speaker 8>was dirty. Everything clothes and papers and all that kind

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<v Speaker 8>of stuff by the floor. Nobody cleans nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>So everything it was left as it was. Why did you.

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<v Speaker 8>Go because we wanted to see the house. Everybody talk

0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:44.679
<v Speaker 8>about the house.

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<v Speaker 1>So were you a bit shocked at the state it

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<v Speaker 1>was in?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>They walked around the garden and decided to take one

0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:55.639
<v Speaker 1>of the bender's benches, which would have been chucked away otherwise,

0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:59.240
<v Speaker 1>a lover's wooden swing seat which the couple used to

0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:02.399
<v Speaker 1>sit on to enjoy their paradise. Now it's in the

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<v Speaker 1>hotel garden, a little weathered but still usable.

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<v Speaker 8>The bench.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you got the bench?

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<v Speaker 8>The benches from the house.

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<v Speaker 1>They also saw the remnants of John's beloved orchids strewn

0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:19.800
<v Speaker 1>all over the place, withered and decaying. Santiago rescued some

0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:23.720
<v Speaker 1>of the healthier looking ones and took them away. Now,

0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:27.480
<v Speaker 1>in one corner of Santiago's hotel garden, there is a

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<v Speaker 1>spectacular display of yellows and reds, which often catch the

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<v Speaker 1>eye of the guests. John's beautiful and rare orchids are

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<v Speaker 1>tall and thriving all these years after his death. A

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<v Speaker 1>few days after Anne had left Costa Rica, a mysterious

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<v Speaker 1>package arrived at the hotel inside Santiago, and Anna found

0:22:56.040 --> 0:23:01.280
<v Speaker 1>beautiful clothes Anne's designer collection and must have arranged for

0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:05.080
<v Speaker 1>them to be sent. Anna couldn't believe it. She'd had

0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:09.040
<v Speaker 1>marred them so many times, and and sense of style.

0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:13.119
<v Speaker 1>All these years. Anna has looked after them and even

0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:18.320
<v Speaker 1>wears them. Sometimes they're a perfect fit. When Santiago says

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<v Speaker 1>Anne pattern, that's Anne Bender.

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<v Speaker 8>Sometimes when she used those clothes, she says, Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 8>gonna be Anna's today, an pattern.

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<v Speaker 1>Really you say that? Do you walk up and down

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<v Speaker 1>and go look at me.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm gonna be a pattern today, That's why she said.

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<v Speaker 1>And sure enough, one morning, when I was staying at

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:41.159
<v Speaker 1>the hotel, Anna called me over. She was wearing one

0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:44.879
<v Speaker 1>of Anne's dresses long and black and elegant. This was

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<v Speaker 1>Anne's See it's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 9>See do you feel elegant?

0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:58.760
<v Speaker 1>It's perfect, it's perfect, It fits beautifully. So it's a

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<v Speaker 1>really sort of really quite tight fitting long black dress

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<v Speaker 1>with a halting neck. Heakake, oh beautiful. After her acquittal,

0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Anne left the country and settled in America to start

0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:17.639
<v Speaker 1>a new life. And yet you can probably guess what

0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:22.199
<v Speaker 1>happened next. The Costa Rican authorities were still determined to

0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:27.200
<v Speaker 1>get her. In twenty seventeen, the Prosecutor's office ordered a

0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:31.280
<v Speaker 1>fourth trial. They wanted to try her all over again,

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<v Speaker 1>but to do that they would need to extradite an

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<v Speaker 1>from the United States. They issued an international arrest warrant

0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:44.840
<v Speaker 1>against her, effectively making it impossible for her to travel internationally.

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<v Speaker 1>There were other battles too. She took her Costa Rican lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>Juan Alvarez to court for fraud in twenty twelve. He

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<v Speaker 1>had control over part of their fortune, which had been

0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:02.000
<v Speaker 1>put in that trust. The money was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>set aside for John and Anne's wildlife sanctuary. Anne accused

0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Alvarez of taking cash from the trust for his personal use,

0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:14.159
<v Speaker 1>spending it on horses and paying off credit card bills.

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<v Speaker 1>The court ruled that he should be removed from the

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<v Speaker 1>trust's board. Alvarez denied all the accusations made against him,

0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:27.520
<v Speaker 1>telling CBS they were bogus, but when his office was

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<v Speaker 1>raided during an investigation into his management of the trust,

0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:35.919
<v Speaker 1>it was discovered that forty million dollars was missing. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't respond to our requests for an interview. We of

0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:45.359
<v Speaker 1>course also reached out to Anne. We would have loved

0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:48.959
<v Speaker 1>to have talked her about everything in this podcast, about

0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:54.920
<v Speaker 1>the whole story, but she didn't respond. So what about

0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:59.439
<v Speaker 1>those gems, the rubies, diamonds, the opals, which the police

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:02.480
<v Speaker 1>confiscated at the time of John's death, and which they

0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 1>claimed were Anne's motive for murder? The Costa Rican authorities

0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:09.800
<v Speaker 1>alleged that the Benders had not paid taxes on the

0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 1>jewels and had smuggled them in The private collection was

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:19.879
<v Speaker 1>originally valued at twenty million dollars. Anne eventually recovered some

0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:23.600
<v Speaker 1>of the gems in February twenty twenty, but that part

0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 1>of the hoarde was apparently valued closer to four million dollars.

0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Authorities explained some had been kept in order to pair

0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:35.400
<v Speaker 1>a tax bill of about one point three million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened to the rest of the collection is still

0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 1>a mystery, and all the while, the threat of having

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:47.120
<v Speaker 1>to face trial in Costa Rica for a fourth time

0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:51.240
<v Speaker 1>hung over Anne. The international arrest warrant meant that she

0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 1>was effectively trapped in the US even as she tried

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:59.200
<v Speaker 1>to rebuild her life. She was not free until finally

0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:04.199
<v Speaker 1>the law changed, enabling her defense team to challenge the retrial.

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:07.480
<v Speaker 1>The case was heard before the Human Rights Chamber of

0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Costa Rica's Supreme Court in twenty twenty three. Her defense

0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:16.440
<v Speaker 1>team argued that she was the victim of judicial persecution.

0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:22.439
<v Speaker 1>Seven judges deliberated and the vote was very close, But

0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:25.720
<v Speaker 1>in the end, four of the seven judges ruled in

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Anne's favor that Anne's two previous acquittals will now protect

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:34.840
<v Speaker 1>her from any more appeals. She can never again be

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:39.120
<v Speaker 1>prosecuted for the death of her husband. In other words,

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 1>in the eyes of the law, it is finally over.

0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 1>But for those around the couple, it's not quite so simple.

0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:55.240
<v Speaker 1>It's been fifteen years since John's death, but the repercussions

0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:59.600
<v Speaker 1>are still reverberating around the mystical Dia Monte Valley and

0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:04.159
<v Speaker 1>be Carol Vaughan wasn't the only one to become possessed

0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:08.320
<v Speaker 1>and obsessed with the story. So what do all our

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:11.800
<v Speaker 1>characters make of it now? Do they still think about

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:15.919
<v Speaker 1>the private but compelling couple who lived on top of

0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:20.280
<v Speaker 1>the hill? Remember Michael, the mercenary who we had voiced

0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 1>out by an actor.

0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:24.719
<v Speaker 8>I was contracted by a third party to kind of

0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 8>intercept mister Bender and send him to the States.

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:32.040
<v Speaker 1>Michael said he'd been hired to abduct John and take

0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:35.080
<v Speaker 1>him back to America. I caught up with him briefly.

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>He said, there's one thing he thinks about. At the

0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:41.560
<v Speaker 1>time he had John under surveillance, he noticed a couple

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 1>of other people, a youngish woman and a man, also

0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 1>keeping an eye on John Bender. Who were they and

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:51.120
<v Speaker 1>what were they up to? He still has no clue.

0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Another mystery, And what of Jesse and Matty.

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:58.320
<v Speaker 10>I personally thought he was probably somebody very big in

0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:00.280
<v Speaker 10>the drugs Lene.

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Obviously they were doing something secret.

0:29:02.520 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 1>They haven't forgotten their former neighbors. In fact, they have

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:09.880
<v Speaker 1>become more invested in their story. Jesse even went to

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 1>the court to watch part of the trial. Remember I

0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 1>told you Matti is a clairvoyant. Well, halfway through our interview,

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Jesse stopped us and said, Matty may be receiving a

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>communication from John at that very moment.

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:28.840
<v Speaker 10>It's possible we could have some information from John.

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 6>John.

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 11>Look, Joon, no mean John Nolosavia is the John, I said,

0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 11>Goldpi Goldpi Caldandura.

0:29:57.320 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 10>Is.

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 1>Matty was breathing heavily, and we waited. But well, I

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:06.920
<v Speaker 1>don't think they were able to speak to John at

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 1>that time in the past. They say they had curious

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 1>if he could give them answers. They say he tells

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>them that he killed himself and is played by guilt

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>about Anne's illness and his attempts to cure her.

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:22.640
<v Speaker 3>They're saying that Anne killed you.

0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 10>What do you say?

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 11>And then he said I killed her.

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Then there's doctor Lozano and psychiatrist.

0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:34.240
<v Speaker 9>I asked her, what are these bumps? He said, Well,

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:41.600
<v Speaker 9>John was injected me, giving me clear spring water injections

0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 9>under my skin to heal me. I said, and are

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 9>you serious.

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:51.160
<v Speaker 1>He's still practicing in San Jose and he has been left

0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 1>with a sense of great loss following the departure of

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:57.040
<v Speaker 1>his former patient. He feels like.

0:30:57.360 --> 0:31:04.320
<v Speaker 9>The girl who's boyfriend left her kind of feeling really like,

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 9>what happened? What did we do? What was wrong?

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:10.640
<v Speaker 1>You thought you'd done something wrong.

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 9>I have kindalyzed one thousand times, and I think I

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 9>never did anything wrong.

0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Did you find it confusing?

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 9>Yes in the beginning, but there was a moment in

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 9>time in which I said, well, let it be.

0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Let it be, he says, but I can tell he

0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 1>finds it hard to let go of Van Bender. And

0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 1>what of John Corvick, who first told us how sinister

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 1>the dear Monte Valley could be?

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 7>She at that place is the darkest jungle you've ever

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 7>seen in your life. You have no clue.

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 1>He left Costa Rica and now lives in Florida, still

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 1>loving the outdoor life. He and his wife, Nicole do

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:57.240
<v Speaker 1>sometimes talk about their old neighbors, the Benders, and discuss

0:31:57.320 --> 0:32:01.040
<v Speaker 1>all their theories about what really happened, But most of

0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 1>the time John is air boating in the Everglades.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I'm still out in the woods a lot.

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 10>Here.

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<v Speaker 7>We write boats around and I don't know, you know,

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.480
<v Speaker 7>I still have some wilderness is different than the mountains,

0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:12.959
<v Speaker 7>But I'm a well rounded outdoors person.

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<v Speaker 1>Hotelier Santiago put forward a proposal for groups of tourists

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 1>to stay at Borichayanne and experience the authentic jungle, but

0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:30.040
<v Speaker 1>that was rejected the Bender's head of maintenance, As Valdo,

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 1>is now working at a local vets. He's still coming

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 1>to terms with what happened while he worked for the Benders.

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Ambulance driver Carlos now drives taxies, but still thinks about

0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:46.240
<v Speaker 1>that night in twenty ten when he went to Borichayanne

0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:49.040
<v Speaker 1>in the small hours and saw the house like a

0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:53.720
<v Speaker 1>flying saucer and John dead on the fourth floor. While

0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:57.720
<v Speaker 1>in prison, the Bender's former head of security, Jose Pizzaro,

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:01.480
<v Speaker 1>found god he was really east from prison in twenty

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 1>twenty two, Rosemary, who sold seeds to the Benders and

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:10.600
<v Speaker 1>witnessed that dramatic confrontation with the police, is now making

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 1>locally sourced chocolate. There's something about this story which seems

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:19.920
<v Speaker 1>to stay with people, get under their skin.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a big shock.

0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 12>I didn't know that it was going to bother me

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 12>that much, but it did.

0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Remember John's friend, Steve, John taught him how to chat

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 1>up girls in Philadelphia. He was deeply affected when he

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:39.480
<v Speaker 1>heard about John's death and for a while. It took

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 1>over his life.

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 12>And I'm looking at the pictures, I said, that's him,

0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:48.200
<v Speaker 12>and it just hit me like a ton of bricks.

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:50.960
<v Speaker 12>For one of the few times in my life, I

0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 12>actually shed the tear. I don't cry. I couldn't stop

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:58.840
<v Speaker 12>talking about it. I went on Facebook and I put

0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:03.520
<v Speaker 12>a whole big post and everybody saw it. I did

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 12>research all over the place finding what happened.

0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 7>I was there in all kind.

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.879
<v Speaker 12>Of forums, cracks and crevices. I was going to find

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:14.319
<v Speaker 12>out what happened to John. And then one day I

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:16.880
<v Speaker 12>woke up and I said, I can't do this anymore.

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:19.319
<v Speaker 12>I don't like walking around that big burden on my

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:22.720
<v Speaker 12>shoulder and something hurting me. So I deleted all my posts,

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:26.960
<v Speaker 12>I deleted the video I had, and I promised I

0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:30.359
<v Speaker 12>would never talk about it again. And after that day,

0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:34.560
<v Speaker 12>I never talked about it because that saved That saved it,

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:36.360
<v Speaker 12>like it made me. I was okay after that.

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Like Steve, author and journalist Carol Vaughan couldn't let go

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:45.480
<v Speaker 1>of the Bender's story either. She was possessed and obsessed

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 1>and it changed her life.

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 2>I became so deeply entrenched, involved, smitten that I would

0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:59.400
<v Speaker 2>go hardly. I'd go days without bathing and go all

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:00.160
<v Speaker 2>day with any eat.

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 7>I was just.

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:03.880
<v Speaker 2>I was possessed.

0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Is that what it felt like?

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Definitely?

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:08.399
<v Speaker 1>Did you try to stop being?

0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 12>No?

0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 2>I loved it?

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 1>And why did you love it?

0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Because I felt so much passion, really, and I like passion,

0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:20.120
<v Speaker 2>So I felt I think Kostreeka is a very passionate place,

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.480
<v Speaker 2>a very sexy place that's filled with love. And I

0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:25.360
<v Speaker 2>was right in the middle of all of that, so

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:26.479
<v Speaker 2>felt kind of good.

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, where you wanted to be?

0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 10>Yes?

0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:29.879
<v Speaker 1>Do you think it's detrimental to you at all?

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:30.200
<v Speaker 10>No?

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:36.400
<v Speaker 2>I think that I'm over it, really, But it was

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:40.400
<v Speaker 2>an almost year where I wasn't very healthy. I wasn't eating,

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:42.719
<v Speaker 2>while I wasn't exercising.

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:44.920
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't Yeah, would you like to let go of it

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:47.239
<v Speaker 1>a bit? I would like to.

0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:51.320
<v Speaker 2>I like to know what really happened, which I probably

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:51.879
<v Speaker 2>never will.

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 1>We said at the start of the series that Bora

0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:58.759
<v Speaker 1>kay Anne, the extraordinary house which John built on top

0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 1>of the hill, was the scene of a mystery, but

0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:06.480
<v Speaker 1>also a tragedy, the death of a brilliant man who,

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 1>for all his flaws, followed his dreams for a few

0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:13.800
<v Speaker 1>short years, he created his own heaven. Anne and John

0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:18.239
<v Speaker 1>lived there among animals, the sloths, monkeys, and anteaters in

0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 1>the natural world, which they loved, but it turned to hell.

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:26.800
<v Speaker 1>John left behind his family, his brother Matthew and parents

0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Margie and Paul, who I can see are still reeling

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:34.160
<v Speaker 1>from his death. Were you able to have a funeral

0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:37.360
<v Speaker 1>or at least be able to have a ceremony for John?

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:42.319
<v Speaker 10>We didn't. We probably should if she had some kind

0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:44.920
<v Speaker 10>of a formal ceremony of some.

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Kind, Paul is talking about Anne.

0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:51.440
<v Speaker 10>We probably would have gone down there for it, Yes,

0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:52.800
<v Speaker 10>but she didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel that you have questions that are unanswered

0:36:56.880 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 1>still that you would have you would want answered.

0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.479
<v Speaker 10>Well, I don't know how Mary feels about this. She's

0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:05.480
<v Speaker 10>much better right than I am. But what's the point

0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:10.560
<v Speaker 10>of worrying about things that have happened and there's nothing

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:12.160
<v Speaker 10>you can do about them anymore?

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:17.080
<v Speaker 2>I think sometimes that makes the situation far worse?

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Continuing to ask questions.

0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, because soon what the answers are? What are you

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:27.080
<v Speaker 10>going to do with what you find out? I knew

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:30.600
<v Speaker 10>he had some battles with people in the investment. Things

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:33.120
<v Speaker 10>that worked for him, or that he worked against him.

0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:35.240
<v Speaker 10>I knew about that kind of stuff, but he seemed

0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:37.719
<v Speaker 10>to be doing well with I figured he knows what

0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 10>he's doing a lot better than I is. So what

0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:40.600
<v Speaker 10>can I do?

0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:43.879
<v Speaker 1>Is it something that both of you you still think

0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:47.320
<v Speaker 1>about every day? Are you able to in some ways

0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:49.720
<v Speaker 1>come to terms with what happened? Because I can't imagine

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:50.399
<v Speaker 1>how that could be.

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:53.400
<v Speaker 10>I don't know what you mean, but coming to terms with.

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Him, I certainly coming to terms is not a thing

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:02.160
<v Speaker 2>I even think about. It hangs there.

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:07.360
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, it's just a helpless feeling. So there's nothing you

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 10>can do about it. I still don't know who's responsible.

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.719
<v Speaker 10>That's the difference. It's not going to make anything better.

0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:17.919
<v Speaker 1>If there was one memory, at least of looking back

0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:20.680
<v Speaker 1>of the best memory of John is the one that

0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:21.879
<v Speaker 1>comes to mind.

0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 10>The relationship with the animals and with the land which

0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 10>he had developed with the house. That's a really positive thing.

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:38.879
<v Speaker 10>I couldn't believe it when I saw the whole developmentto

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 10>the place was something that I never thought would happen,

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:44.960
<v Speaker 10>and that was just wonderful to see. And then it

0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 10>all comes crashing down. But it was very, very successful,

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:51.440
<v Speaker 10>and he did that all on his own. I was

0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:55.200
<v Speaker 10>kept saying this isn't going to work, but it always worked.

0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:59.760
<v Speaker 1>As well as a mystery and a tragedy, this series

0:38:59.880 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 1>is also a love story. Remember how John and Anne

0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:06.640
<v Speaker 1>fell instantly in love in Virginia over the punch Bowl.

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:11.320
<v Speaker 1>Echoing that romantic meeting is the story of how Paul

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:15.360
<v Speaker 1>and Margie met back in the nineteen fifties. The memory

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:18.480
<v Speaker 1>of it makes them both smile, and the heaviness in

0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 1>their voices lifts. It's just nice to hear, but it

0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:26.399
<v Speaker 1>reveals something else, how their love for each other has

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:30.040
<v Speaker 1>got them through the dark days and still does. They

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 1>were both studying at the time.

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 10>She was one year behind me, and we met.

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:39.759
<v Speaker 2>That's the wonderful time.

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:43.560
<v Speaker 10>We met at a Gilbert and Sullivan production and I

0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:45.640
<v Speaker 10>played the piano when she was in the chorus.

0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:46.879
<v Speaker 1>Was it love at first sight?

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:49.279
<v Speaker 10>Well me, it certainly was.

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Really he's a very lovable he's very romantic.

0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:57.040
<v Speaker 10>We got along very well.

0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:02.200
<v Speaker 1>And what about the house. It's still on sale. It

0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:06.040
<v Speaker 1>seems the asking price has been reduced from twenty five

0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:10.799
<v Speaker 1>million dollars to twelve million, and it's been renamed ce

0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Ridge Reserve. The house with no walls stands vacant, with

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:21.839
<v Speaker 1>two guards at the gate, and the jungle steadily reclaiming

0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 1>the land to its original wilderness. It's thought that Anne

0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:31.200
<v Speaker 1>would like whoever buys it to revive the nature reserve,

0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:36.239
<v Speaker 1>which she and John were so proud of, but so

0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:38.680
<v Speaker 1>far there are no takers.

0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:42.280
<v Speaker 4>This is where they lived, this is where John died.

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:47.799
<v Speaker 1>We started with the house and we end with it.

0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, when it was really beautiful, poppy, it must

0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:54.080
<v Speaker 1>have been quite dramatic to walk up those steps. I

0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:57.919
<v Speaker 1>mean wat an entrance. Absolutely. I mean there's something quite

0:40:58.000 --> 0:41:01.839
<v Speaker 1>kind of you know, after doing working on it for

0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:04.120
<v Speaker 1>so long. It's something quite kind of poignant about actually

0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:07.160
<v Speaker 1>seeing the house, isn't it. You know this is where

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 1>it all happened, on that top floor, you know, near

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:17.960
<v Speaker 1>the dome. Something. It's sad, it is. I feel kind

0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:23.480
<v Speaker 1>of heavy here, So do I carries something, doesn't it?

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:29.680
<v Speaker 2>They had the big doors in the big raught iron.

0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:32.879
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that had flowers on it? I think

0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:36.680
<v Speaker 1>the whole lot had flowers everywhere and animals just wandering around.

0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 1>We were told that John's ashes are scattered here at

0:41:51.200 --> 0:42:28.799
<v Speaker 1>his beloved Bora Kaya. It's weird, isn't it just so still. Yeah,

0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:33.920
<v Speaker 1>it's really sad. It just feels that you can only

0:42:33.960 --> 0:43:19.359
<v Speaker 1>hear the buds. Sure we go, Let's come on. You've

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<v Speaker 1>been listening to Helen Heaven from Exactly Right Media and

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