1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Histories, a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to the 2 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much for 3 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: tuning in. Let's hear it for our super producer, Max. 4 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: Williams Bally who indeed and your NOL. 5 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: I'm Ben, And it turns out that since the three 6 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: of us reside here in the United States, we love traveling, 7 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: but it can be a little bit expensive. You know, 8 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: you have to either go over the Pacific or over 9 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: the Atlantic. It's weird when you think of how so 10 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: many other countries are so much closer to each other. 11 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: Like you can wake up in Europe and you can 12 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: drive through you know, four countries. You can see the 13 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: world pretty easily. But today's episode, NOL, we're learning about 14 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: some folks who decided to take Europe to the States. 15 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: You see the world right here at home, you know, 16 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: I mean, we do. We have states that are different 17 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,919 Speaker 2: enough culturally, I suppose, but usually you have to trek 18 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: quite a bit farther than you do in Europe to 19 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 2: see a real change in that culture in that landscape. 20 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 2: We live on the East Coast, and today we're talking 21 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: about the West Coast, which is basically kind of feels 22 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: in some ways like going to another country. Things are 23 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: very different. The land hits a little different, a little 24 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: rockier terrain. You got your deserts, you got your snow 25 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: capped mountains and all of that good stuff, and you 26 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: got your your lake cities as well. California is lousy 27 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: with variations in. 28 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: Terrain, and today's episode features a nursery rhyme that I 29 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: think is familiar to pretty much everybody in the English 30 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: speaking world. London Bridge is falling down. It's a bit 31 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: of an earworm. We don't have to sing it because 32 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 1: it'll get. 33 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: To you, falling down, falling down. London Bridge is falling down, 34 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: My Fair Lady. Not to be confused with the Rogers 35 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: and Hammerstein musical My Fair Lady, which is quite a 36 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: banger in and of itself, Henry Higgins and Eliza Doolittle 37 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 2: and all of that. Pretty sure, that's where the name 38 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: comes from, the old nursery rhyme of Yesteryear, which I 39 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: believe dates back to the Middle Ages. Yeah. 40 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little bit misleading too as a nursery rhyme, 41 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: because it seems to imply that there is only one 42 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: London Bridge that could not be further from the truth. 43 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: There has been some sort of bridge going across the 44 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: Thames for nearly two thousand years and we're getting that 45 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: actually from the Lake Havisty Area Chamber of Commerce. Yeah, 46 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: we'll just play at that seat. 47 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: We'll get back to that far. 48 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: The very first London bridge was built by Roman forces 49 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: way way back in forty three CE, and throughout the history, 50 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: thanks to our research associate mister Max Williams, there have 51 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: been multiple bridges again built across the Thames, and not 52 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: all of them stayed in London. 53 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is no shade on the Romans. 54 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: I mean the Romans kind of were first to market 55 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: with bridge tech, you know, with their arches and all 56 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: of that. They knew how to build themselves a bridge. 57 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: No better way to ford a river or a stream 58 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: or a lake than with a bridge, so you kind 59 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: of got to have them. But then over time, you know, 60 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 2: wear and tear sets in and then you got to 61 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: update some things, and sometimes the whole thing just kind 62 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: of comes tumbling and or falling down. So we'll get 63 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: to that eventually. But McGill University had this to say 64 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: on the history of the London bridges. London Bridge is 65 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: a bridge in London, England, over the Thames, between the 66 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: City of London and Southwark Southwark. I don't know, let's 67 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: have some some Brits right in and tell us how 68 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: we got that one wrong. I think it's it's got 69 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: to be Southwark. That seems right. Sure, yeah, close enough 70 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 2: for government work, right. But as you pointed up, in 71 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 2: multiple bridges throughout history have been referred to as the 72 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 2: titular London Bridge. Yeah. 73 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of like how multiple planes are Air Force 74 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: one if the president'saw on them. So let's talk about 75 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: this very first bridge again, according to the Lake Havistou 76 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: area Chambers, we'll get to it. The first the first bridge, 77 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: the one built by the Romans, was a pontoon bridge, 78 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: so they had a row of boats that were anchored 79 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: in the river and there were planks laid across the boats. 80 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: They may have used ferry boats as well. And the 81 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: the next record we have of a bridge in this 82 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: area in London is it's weird. It's a mention in 83 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: a very strange story in nine eight four CE, a 84 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: widowed woman and her son are caught driving quote pins 85 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: into the image of a man. 86 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, did they draw the image. Did they scrawl it 87 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: into the dirt? Unclear, but there was a woman at 88 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: the time was thought to be a witch, right, definitely, 89 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: some dark forces potentially trying to be manipulated there, and 90 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 2: as you tend to do in these days with folks 91 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 2: suspected of witchcraft, they're killed, they're drowned. Well, the intent 92 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: was to drown the both of them. The woman unfortunately 93 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 2: perishes in the Thames, while her son is able to escape. 94 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: It always reminds me of that scene in Monty Python 95 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 2: The Holy Grail where they talk about how to figure 96 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: out if someone's a witch. You got it? What you know? 97 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: See if they're made of wood, and wood floats and 98 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 2: if they sink, then they're not made of wood and 99 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 2: therefore not a witch. But then they also drown anyway, 100 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: it's a good film. 101 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: In ten fourteen, the Danish forces are holding London and 102 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: we've got some returning cameos from previous episodes. The Saxons 103 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: under King Ethel read the Unready, I love that name. 104 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: They teamed up with some Vikings who were led by 105 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: King Oloff from Norway. Together these forces sailed up the 106 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: Thames to attack the London Bridge and attempt to divide 107 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: the Danish forces. But these Danish forces protected their ships 108 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: with thatched roofs pulled from cottages that stood on or 109 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: around the bridge. These guys rode up under the bridge, 110 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: they put their cables around the piles that supported it, 111 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: you know, basically the post going into the river, and 112 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: then they rode off at full speed. They pulled a 113 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: bridge heist. London Bridge fell down. 114 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 2: I gotta say, though, I gotta take a second and 115 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 2: to talk about ethel Red the Unready. What a nickname 116 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: that is? What did he do to deserve that? I mean, 117 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 2: you know you've got your you know, Eric the Red, 118 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: and this guy is the Unready. I have the check. 119 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if he's the one that got shot 120 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 3: by a crossbow while on the toilet, but he might 121 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 3: have had. 122 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: There's one. 123 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 3: There's one of these guys in this in that family 124 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 3: line who died that way. It's a little too dark 125 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 3: for me to write about in a ridiculous thrill desk, 126 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: but what might be it? 127 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: Now? The whole shot. No spoilers for for the Game 128 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: of Thrones TV series or the Song of Ice and Fire, 129 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: but there is a very important character in the series 130 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: that gets shot by a crossbow while I'm the toilet. 131 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: And some in the novels as well. Okay, so this 132 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: moment where these forces, these united forces pull down the bridge. 133 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: This leads to the London Bridge from the nursery rhyme. 134 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: You can go ahead and call that one the old 135 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: London Bridge. In eleven seven six, the first Stone Bridge 136 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: is built. It's kind of a ep you could say, 137 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: by a guy named Peter of Coal Church, and it 138 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: takes a while to build. It's not done until twelve 139 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: oh nine, and so we're looking at what thirty three 140 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: years to build, and it was a worthwhile investment. It 141 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: lasted for hundreds and hundreds of years afterwards. 142 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no big battle. Wolf's going to huff and 143 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: puff and blow that one down. Stone was king in 144 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: those days of construction. It had a road that was 145 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: twenty feet wide and three hundred yards long. Again, we're 146 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 2: back to sort of some construction details here. Gothic style 147 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: architecture involving twenty art shows that we now are very 148 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 2: good at bearing loads. There was also a drawbridge, it 149 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: wouldn't draw bridge that could allow kind of the way 150 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: it would disconnect in the middle. It could be let 151 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: out and then ships could pass under it, and it 152 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: also could be opened up to keep invaders from crossing. 153 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: This was a very important strategic militaristic use, but also 154 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 2: very practical just in terms of trade. 155 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: And this bridge became part of the city, right. You 156 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: would have houses, you would have shops built on the 157 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: actual bridge, and it didn't take long for the whole 158 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: thing to be covered with buildings. It was functionally a 159 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: street across the river. 160 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 3: Also, to jump back in here, it was Edmund Ironside 161 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 3: who got shot on the toilet by crossbow who was 162 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 3: unready sun ah. 163 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: There is there, it is love it. 164 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: In twelve twelve a disaster occurred. A bunch of people 165 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: were on the bridge and they got caught between two fires. 166 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: The fire code as we understand it in the modern 167 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: world was not a thing back in the twelve hundreds. 168 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: There's a thing called the stone Gatehouse on the bridge 169 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: and it's roof these poles on it, and this feels 170 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: like a pretty brutal practice, but people would put the 171 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: heads of traders on these poles t R a I 172 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: t o rs. Not just traders, not just like you know, 173 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: avid collectors of coins or something. No, yeah, this is 174 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: like you know the old head on the pike routine 175 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: to deter others from crossing, you know those in Power 176 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: and Max. You've found this little twisted fact here that 177 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: they actually dug up the body of Oliver Cromwell and 178 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: decapitated his dead body and stuck that bad boy up 179 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: on one of these pikes. Yeah, it was a it 180 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: was a continuing practice. It was very it was a 181 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: very popular fad for quite some time, and luckily it's 182 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: not a fad that London is currently into. So back 183 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: to these fires, disaster is the right word. They could 184 00:10:55,920 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: absolutely spread very quickly through different buildings because of the 185 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: material used to construct them. Let us remember the bridge's stone, 186 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: but a lot of the buildings built on the bridge 187 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: are wood and they're very close together. Again, there's no 188 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: such thing as fire coat, so lots of people can 189 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: die very easily, and this happens repeatedly. If we fast 190 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: forward to sixteen twenty three, there is another fire on 191 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: the bridge. A maid servant leaves a pail of ashes 192 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: under some wooden stairs. Unfortunately, the environment is such that 193 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: this causes a fire on the stairs in the blink 194 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: of an eye, very quickly. Forty three houses are destroyed. 195 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: A lot of the shops are burned beyond repair, like 196 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: they're going to be teardowns, and people start moving away 197 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: from the bridge. 198 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 2: It's kind of going downhill, you know. The ashes detail 199 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 2: made me think of another nursery rhyme, Ring around the 200 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 2: Rosy pocket full of posy ashes. Ashes. We all fall down, 201 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: as you know, as a reference to the plague. But 202 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: if you want to do a little mashup of these, 203 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: you could have the ashes as a detail in the 204 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: old my Fair Lady rhyme caused this one to fall 205 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 2: down as well. 206 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: And it's funny that you mentioned that because according to Snopes, 207 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: Ring around the Rosie is not about the Black plague, 208 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: which was I thought that for such a such a 209 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: long time. But please check out the neat little article 210 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: on Snopes by David Michelson about Ring Around the Rosie 211 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: and maybe we do a nursery rhymes episode two. 212 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 2: There's so many are interesting and quite dark. Yeah, no 213 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: doubt so. After the kind of tear down situation, the 214 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 2: bridge was actually widened possibly, I don't know what you 215 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: guys think, but maybe to give a little bit more 216 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: space in between these these these buildings. Some of the 217 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 2: fire wouldn't spread quite so quickly. 218 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's part of it. I think also 219 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: they just needed to keep the bridge actually navigable for 220 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: you know, carriages and things like that, because as these 221 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: buildings got added on, the road just became. 222 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 2: Narrower and narrower, right right, right right. And they also 223 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 2: added another feature with a quite large center arch to 224 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: add a little bit more support. That version of the 225 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: bridge stood for quite some time until eighteen thirty one, 226 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: when another new London Bridge was unveiled. 227 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: Ah yes, so okay, the old London Bridge is gone. 228 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: We're now in the era of the New London Bridge. 229 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: This is still not the modern London Bridge. Lots of bridges, 230 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: so it's eighteen twenty one. Parliament gets a committee together 231 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: and they say, all right, let's look at this bridge. 232 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: The bridge is the worse for wear again. It's been 233 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: badly damaged during something called the Great Freeze. So they said, look, 234 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: it's gonna be worth the time to just build a 235 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: completely new bridge. It's going to have to be different 236 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: from the other bridges. We need something bigger, better, bolder. 237 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: In eighteen twenty four, the committee accepts the plans of 238 00:13:55,280 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: a guy named John Rennie and his bridge design is 239 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: erected about one hundred feet to the west of the 240 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: old bridge, because that's where the Thames gets pretty narrow. 241 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: The river is only about nine hundred feet across at 242 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: that point. 243 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of tapers. So on June fifteenth, eighteen twenty five, 244 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 2: construction begins. It's sort of like a I guess a 245 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 2: ribbon cutting type situation with some luminaries and attendance the 246 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: Mayor of London at the time, John Garrett, the old 247 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: Duke of York, one of my favorite of the dukes. 248 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: And then six years on, William the Fourth and Queen 249 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: Adelaide unveil the new London Bridge and the old one 250 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 2: is demolished. So the old one is still standing while 251 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 2: they're building the new one. It's just like over further, 252 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 2: like you said, Ben, to that, you know, reposition, to 253 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 2: that point where the river taper is a bit more. 254 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: The old one is still standing. During construction, they knock 255 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: down the old one in a big show of you 256 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 2: know whatever, huzzah, and then they unveil the new one 257 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: and they go, now we've got new London Bridge. 258 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: And it's instantly super duper busy. Uh, it just gets 259 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: busier as the railroad becomes a thing in London and 260 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: London Bridge Station opens just south of the bridge, and 261 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: pretty soon we see a whole new species of traffic 262 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: across the bridge as thousands of people are crossing it 263 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: every single day and it becomes a commonplace aspect. 264 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: Of the city. But again. 265 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: It's taking a lot of punishment. It's taking a lot 266 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: of wear and tear, and the new London Bridge, which 267 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: is still not the modern London Bridge, had a bunch 268 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: of issues. In nineteen sixty two, the high muckyy MUCKs 269 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: and the boffins of London looked at the bridge and said, ah, man, 270 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: this thing is literally falling down like that nursery rhyme 271 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: we all love. It is sinking into the river because 272 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: there's too much traffic for it, literally too much. 273 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's I sort of like the idea 274 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: of a foundation of a house can sort of start 275 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: to settle in like really negative ways if you're not careful, 276 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: and it can actually sink into into the earth. 277 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: And that was they didn't want to destroy it. They 278 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: wanted to do something with all that history. 279 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 2: They did. It was at this point part of a 280 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: rich legacy for the city of London, So they decided 281 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: to uh sell it as some sort of interesting flex 282 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 2: like for like like, Okay, this is an artifact. This 283 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: represents all of this history of ingenuity of the good 284 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 2: people of London town. So let's sell it. Let's put 285 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: it up for auction and then use the proceeds of 286 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 2: the sale to build a new one. But I gotta wonder, man, 287 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 2: like who thinks this is gonna work? Like who who 288 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: is the audience for this? Like who are they trying 289 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: to sell this to? Very rich people who discovered oil 290 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: most likely guess very eccentric wealthy people maybe or Decay, 291 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: you know, Eastern European astocrat who's got an ax to 292 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: grind with Western Europe. There are some weird potential customers, 293 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: you know, if they if their auction for the whole 294 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: bridge didn't work, they can maybe do something where they 295 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 2: sell off pieces of it as memorabilia, like here is 296 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: a brick from the Berlin Bridge. Yeah, and that was 297 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 2: one of the people just grabbing it. You know, no 298 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 2: one I don't like sold break Breakston. 299 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: I have pieces I have pieces of the of the 300 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: Berlin Wall, which is a weird thing to have. So 301 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: fast forward the current or modern London Bridge is constructed. 302 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: We're going to bracket the auction for a second. 303 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: We'll get to that. 304 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: But the modern London Bridge is constructed by a guy 305 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: named John Maulim and his team works on it from 306 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven to nineteen seventy two. Queen Elizabeth the 307 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: Second officially opens the bridge on March seventeenth, nineteen seventy three. 308 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: That's the bridge here today. 309 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 2: And if you're. 310 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: Thinking of that really cool iconic bridge that you see 311 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: in almost every picture of London, that's not the London Bridge. 312 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: That's the Tower Bridge, right. 313 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: So again we will get back to the auction, and 314 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: now all of your questions about what kind of weirdo 315 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: buys a bridge will be answered. But it is sold 316 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: and the proceeds do go to creating this more modern construction, 317 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 2: which is made of concrete and it is nine hundred 318 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: and twenty eight feet long. It cost four million pounds, 319 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: which is kind of a steal. Seems like a pretty 320 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: good deal, and that comes from the City of London's 321 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: Bridge House Estates, which is I guess they're the ones 322 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 2: who kind of handled all this bridge, this bridge business. 323 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: And for everyone who is unfamiliar with this very strange, 324 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: ridiculous situation. Yes, the City of London is different from 325 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: London London. The City of London is a city inside 326 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: of London called the City of London. And they've got 327 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: a bunch of really weird rules. We did some on 328 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: stuff they'll want you to know about it years and 329 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: years back. 330 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 2: So the previous bridge is sort of disassembled, I guess 331 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 2: piece by piece. 332 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, as there as they're it's almost like they're phasing 333 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: in one bridge and phasing out the other so that 334 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: people can still traverse the river. And we said this, Yes, 335 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: there was an auction for the other bridge. It is true, folks, 336 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: it was sold. We'll go to Evan Andrews writing for 337 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: history dot com. This bridge stood for over one hundred 338 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: and thirty years and it just wasn't worth renovating. So 339 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: the City of London, when they said we're going to 340 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: build a new bridge, we're gonna build a thing that 341 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: can deal with automobile traffic. They came up with the 342 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: idea of the auction because of a pretty pretty wily 343 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: city councilor, Ivan Luckin, who said, hey, you guys, Americans 344 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: will buy anything. And in nineteen six eight he went 345 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: across the Atlantic, and he started trying to sell a 346 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: bridge to strangers, which is the old school like stereotypical grift. Right, 347 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: someone says, hey, I'll sell you I own the Brooklyn 348 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: Bridge for fifty bucks. You can have it. They might 349 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: even give you a certificate or so on. So this 350 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: is one of the only real cases of somebody selling 351 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: a bridge in a way that was not a grift. 352 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: He knew it was gonna be tough, and he leaned 353 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 1: into the history aspect. He told he didn't emphasize the 354 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: use or the efficacy of the bridge. He emphasized the history. 355 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: You're not buying just a bridge, he said in a 356 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: press conference in New York. It is the air to 357 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: two thousand years of history, going back to the first 358 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: century AD to the time of the Roman Lindinium. And 359 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: most people politely declined except for one guy, a businessman 360 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: named Robert McCullough. 361 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 2: That's right, Robert McCullough, indeed, a resident of Missouri, lifelong 362 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 2: resident Missouri, who was an industrialist who had created companies 363 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: that sold oil and I was just teased a little 364 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 2: bit earlier, sold oil motors and of course chainsaws. That's 365 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 2: what you do that's the golden triad right there, oil 366 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 2: motors and chainsaws. And he was, as you might imagine, 367 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 2: a bit of a kooky fellow. He was known for 368 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 2: spearheading some pretty out there business ideas which he stood 369 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 2: behind completely. In nineteen sixty three, he bought thousands of 370 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 2: acres of land near Lake Have A Sioux Have a 371 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 2: Sue Have a Sue in Arizona, which is a body 372 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 2: of water that was creative in the Colorado River was dammed, 373 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 2: not like you know, by hell fire, but like by 374 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 2: you know, a process of damming. McCullough then created or 375 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: founded a community around the lake called Lake Have a 376 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 2: Sioux City, and he intended to make it sort of 377 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 2: like a resort community, a bit of a you know, 378 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 2: tourist destination. Right. Yeah, but this is a problem. 379 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: So the Lake have Asou community, Lake have Asoux City, 380 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: as it's called. It's in the middle of nowhere. It's Arizona, 381 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of hot. They need something to jush it up. 382 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: They need a reason for people to visit in the 383 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: first place. And our buddy Robert says, I had this 384 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: ridiculous idea of bringing the London Bridge to the Arizona desert, 385 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: and he was joking with the folks at the Chicago 386 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: Tribune magazine and he said, I needed the bridge, but. 387 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 2: Even if I didn't, I might have bought it anyway. 388 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 2: So wacky. Yeah, he's there, real kooks to that guy. 389 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, And he talks about how he he talked about 390 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: how he essentially got hammered with the authorities from City 391 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: of London to try to get a good deal. He said, 392 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: we poured an awful lot of scotch try to loosen 393 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: them up enough to give us some idea of how 394 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: much they wanted. So what is the what is the 395 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: actual price he ended up paying. 396 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: I thought you were originally going to go to like 397 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: he was getting hammered by the city with like regulations 398 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 2: and rules as to know, he in fact was getting 399 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 2: absolutely wasted with these folks pouring whiskeys and coming up 400 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 2: with crazy ideas and then you know, just you it's 401 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 2: a negotiating tactic, you know, the old social lubricant. He 402 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 2: again was telling the Chicago Tribune that he learned that 403 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: the cost of dismantling the bridge was one point two 404 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 2: million dollars American to the folks over in London. So 405 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,719 Speaker 2: McCulloch and a busy associate of his who he had 406 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 2: partnered with a fellow named would figure that it would 407 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 2: be not too insulting of an offer if they just 408 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 2: doubled that, right, but also a pretty good deal, you know, 409 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 2: because they're covering the costs of the demolition. Again, it's 410 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 2: not really like I keep seeing them using the word 411 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 2: demolition feels like a little bit of a misnomer. It's 412 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: the demolition I think of as being like exploding something 413 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 2: into dust and debris and then you know, using a 414 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 2: glorified industrial broom and dust pant of just get that 415 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 2: stuff away out of there and like bury it or whatever. 416 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 2: But no, they had to dismantle it. So that actually, 417 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 2: once again in terms of like good deals, that seems 418 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 2: like a pretty low price, you know, but a real 419 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 2: demolition probably would have been cheaper. 420 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: Right, right, And so he wanted to again put a 421 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: personal spin on this. He said, I'll also just add 422 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: another sixty thousand US dollars there, one thousand dollars for 423 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: each year of my age when the bridge reopens here 424 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: in Arizona. So this all together brings the price to 425 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: two million, four hundred and sixty thousand dollars and boom. 426 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: Robert is officially, when you think about it, the owner 427 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: of the world's largest antique because it's you know, it's 428 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: the whole bridge. And again that comes from the excellent 429 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: article I mentioned earlier, Evan Andrews on history dot Com 430 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: how London Bridge ended up in Arizona. As you can see, 431 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: fella ridiculous. Historians couldn't give you the title right away. 432 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: We had to build up to it. 433 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 2: How indeed, that is the question, and very carefully because 434 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 2: again we know that the process of you know, dismantling 435 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: this bridge was sort of an engineering feat in and 436 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 2: of itself. So now you got to put the thing 437 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 2: back together after, of course shipping it. I wonder if 438 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 2: the cost of shipping it was taken into account. It 439 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 2: seems like it was, since at least in terms of 440 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 2: the purchase price, so that would have been something that 441 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 2: McCullough would have been responsible for. So they had to 442 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 2: like package up each of these bricks, labeling them in 443 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 2: such a way as to make it clear which one 444 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 2: can to which one, so they could maintain the you know, 445 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: the structural integrity of the thing. You know, you can't 446 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 2: just these are arched pieces that have to connect, and 447 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 2: it's exactly the right order to create those load bearing 448 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 2: arch structures, right yeah, just so. 449 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: And it sounds like a crazy endeavor, but again there's 450 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: a lot of money involved, and people are treating the 451 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: bridge and the pieces of the bridge with immense respect. 452 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: It is a incredibly meticulous, painstaking disassembly and assembly process. 453 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: They do something weird. They ship it, you know, through 454 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: the Panama Canal, so it arrives at Long Beach, California, 455 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: and there's a convoy of trucks, a fleet of trucks 456 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: carrying these crates across the desert, and construction crews are 457 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: already kind of figuring out how to modernize the bridge. 458 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: They build a hollow core of steel reinforced concrete, and 459 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: over that kind of skeleton they they lay these ten 460 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: thousand tons of that eighteen hundred's granted, it takes it 461 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: takes a while. And they also are getting into some 462 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: weird landscaping, like they make an artificial island essentially. 463 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 2: It's really interesting. I mean, this does seem just just 464 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 2: screams like this is the idea of something of a 465 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 2: mad man. You know. It reminds me of the Erner 466 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 2: Herzog film starring Klauskinski called Fitzgeraldo, where the main character 467 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 2: name of the film, Fitzgeraldo, decides to move an entire 468 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 2: opera house into I believe, the Peruvian jungle. And in 469 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 2: the making of the actual film, there is a making 470 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 2: of it's called I Believe Something of dreams. But they 471 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 2: actually do it. They really do do it. They move 472 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 2: this opera house with cranes and lifts and pulleys and 473 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 2: all this stuff, and it is a thing to behold. 474 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 2: I believe this film was in the mid seventies, and 475 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: this is just the only way they would have been 476 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 2: able to do it, also to get it into this 477 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 2: densely populated jungle. So not only is it about a 478 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 2: eccentric person who was doing this, but also the actual 479 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 2: creators of the film were very eccentric in and of themselves. 480 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 2: You know, Herzog is a known interesting gentleman and creative 481 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: genius and has lots of really interesting hot takes on 482 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 2: culture and society, and he made that happen. So this 483 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 2: I can't not think about that when we're talking about 484 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 2: moving this bridge. 485 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:36,719 Speaker 1: And people did call it Rob's folly, mcculla's folly, just 486 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: like how they used to clown the guy who purchased 487 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: Alaska for the US for quite some time. What was 488 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: that Seward's folly? So all told, if you're looking at 489 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: the if they were to give him a receipt for 490 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: this strange adventure, the tab would run up to seven 491 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: million dollars, and that is seven times as much as 492 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: Rob had spent buying the land that made up Lake 493 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: Havasu City. It wasn't until October tenth, nineteen seventy one, 494 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: that London Bridge was ready for its debut in the 495 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: United States. He makes this such a big party, such 496 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: a big spectacle. You already know the guy. This is 497 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: classic Rob. He's got skydivers, fireworks, multiple marching bands, hot 498 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: air balloons. He's serving lobster and roast beef, like getting 499 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: the lobster to Arizona. Already spare no expense. This guy 500 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: is bawling and he serves the roast beef and lobster 501 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: because it's the same meal, according to legend, that was 502 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: served to King William the Fourth when the bridge originally 503 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: opened in eighteen thirty one. The Lord Mayor of London 504 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: shows up. He's got his whole shebang on. You know, 505 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: his black robes, he's got a sword bearer walking around. 506 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: Different celebrities of the day are there. And The New 507 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: York Times quoted one British reporter say, it's a super gimmick. 508 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 2: It's all quite mad. 509 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: It could only happen in America, only in American and 510 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: would think of investing that much in something as crazy 511 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: as this in a weird way, you guys, it's an 512 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: advertisement for the United States. 513 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 2: Oh, one hundred percent, and FastTrack for me really quickly. Fitzgradi. 514 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 2: He doesn't move an opera house. He moves a steamship. 515 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 2: A little more doable undertaking, but absolutely insane to behold 516 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 2: in the film, he wants to build an opera house 517 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 2: in the Peruvian jungle in the Andes. So yeah, this 518 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 2: is a very American undertaking. Ben, This is just kind 519 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 2: of like, you know, the idea of ingenuity despite you know, come, come, 520 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 2: what may you know we're gonna get this done. We're 521 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 2: gonna pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and make this happen, 522 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 2: even if it seems like the stupidest idea ever. And 523 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 2: of course there were a lot of people who thought 524 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,959 Speaker 2: this was entirely a crackpot game. The you know, like 525 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,479 Speaker 2: I said earlier, the people were calling it McColo's folly. 526 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 2: A lot of folks predicted that he and his business 527 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 2: associates would rule the day that they bought this bridge, 528 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 2: and there was there was a funny statement in and 529 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 2: of itself. 530 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a rumor. It's kind of like anti 531 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: anti McCullough propaganda. People would whisper this at dinner parties. 532 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: They would say, you know, the Americans didn't think about 533 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: what they were getting into. They bought the wrong bridge. 534 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: They wanted the Tower Bridge, but they got our old, 535 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: crappy London Bridge. And then these guys McCullough and crew 536 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: vehemently deny this. They say, no, we did our research, 537 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: we know the bridge we're buying. Why would we spend 538 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: this much money on the wrong bridge. So that would 539 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: be hilarious. 540 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 4: Would be hilarious, but also kind of who cares at 541 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 4: the end of the day, Like it's it's more about 542 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 4: the the undertaking of doing it of you know, the 543 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 4: Tower Bridge would have been historical as well, not as 544 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 4: maybe quite as historical, but just the undertaking of moving 545 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 4: this thing and transporting it and rebuilding it in a 546 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 4: place that it had no business being nor served any 547 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 4: real function. 548 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 2: That in and of itself was the whole kind of Uh. 549 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 2: I don't want to use the word grift because this 550 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 2: really wasn't. He's not ripping anybody off per se. He's 551 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 2: just you know, creating kind of a wow factor of like, 552 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 2: you know, a display of absolutely bold, you know, kind 553 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 2: of bravado in doing this thing. So which you ever 554 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: bridge it was, I think it probably would have had 555 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: roughly the same effect. 556 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, And it's very smart too. Just because someone's 557 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: eccentric doesn't mean they're dumb. It is exactly what Lake 558 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: Havasu City needs. It saves the development because it was 559 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: sort of fizzling before, Like he wanted to create this 560 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: like resort community, this tourist attraction, it wasn't really working, 561 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: and this was Yeah, it's hot, it's arid, it's in 562 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. It's tough to convince people to go. 563 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: There were only a few hundred flks living there in 564 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: the early nineteen sixties. By nineteen seventy four, there were 565 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: over ten thousand people there by nineteen seventy five. The 566 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: Chamber of Commerce, which has done a great job with 567 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: the you know, we're leaning on them as a source. 568 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: The Lake Havasu City Chamber of Commerce says this bridge 569 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: gets US two million visitors per year. 570 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 2: Wow, that's impressive. Great. 571 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: It worked crazy like a fox, you guys, rob is 572 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: crazy like a fox, Wiley like coyote. 573 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 2: Robert McCullough, you know, as we mentioned, he was a 574 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 2: fan of these types of gambits, and he went on 575 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 2: to launch a few others that are kind of interesting. 576 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 2: Standing in nineteen seventy seven, he promoted something called gyro 577 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 2: planes as commuter vehicles. They're sort of like helicopter adjacents. 578 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,479 Speaker 2: I don't know, have you seen these ben Do they 579 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 2: even exist or did it kind of not get off 580 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 2: the ground at all. 581 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: They look like, oh, yeah, you know how an El 582 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: Camino looks like a car, then a truck that kind 583 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: of became a truck at the end. This this looks 584 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: like a plane that sort of fell into becoming a helicopter. 585 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like the kind of like shuttley thing 586 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 2: you might ride in Tomorrowland at Disney World. It's like 587 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 2: it's definitely intended to be very futuristic in its design. 588 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 2: The autod at home, I can see that. Yeah, it's 589 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 2: it's sort of like a maybe a two or three 590 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 2: passenger vehicle maximum with Okay, yeah, it does seem so 591 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 2: because the body of the thing is not very large. Uh, 592 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 2: and it only has like it looks like, I mean, 593 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 2: don't helicopters have more than two blades? Or is it 594 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 2: just two blades? Is it the same exact orientation as 595 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,439 Speaker 2: a helicopter prop. 596 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the same concept, but helicopter blades can vary, 597 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: you know, anywhere from just two all the way up 598 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: to like eight, and this one is just two, like 599 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 1: straight across, you know, just a one line and then 600 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,439 Speaker 1: it spins and and gives the thing lift. But dud 601 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: tape and confidence. That's a that's what a europlane is. 602 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 2: It does seem like I love the idea of calling 603 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 2: them a europlane. It sounds delicious. 604 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: So spoiler, the flying car or flying transport thing doesn't 605 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 1: work out, But that's how it is. When you're an 606 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 1: idea man, you got to understand that even if ninety 607 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: percent of your ideas don't work out, the one big 608 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 1: one can make your legacy, right, It can cement your 609 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: place in history. The London Bridge, the London Bridge gambit 610 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 1: works and we know just a little bit more about 611 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: the Old London Bridge. It wasn't lost completely to history. 612 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,280 Speaker 1: According to Ben Johnson in Remains of the Old London 613 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: Bridge for Historic UK, there are lasting remnants of the 614 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: old bridge and you can see them built into other 615 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: pieces of London architecture. Specifically, Ben Johnson talks about the 616 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: tower Saint Magnus the Martyr's Church on the Lower Thames Street. 617 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 2: Yes, and one of the foundational archways under the very 618 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 2: tower itself actually came from the old London Bridge that 619 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 2: was dismantled in eighteen thirty one. It was actually originally 620 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 2: the pedestrian entrance onto the bridge, So that piece in 621 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 2: and of itself has an insane amount of history. Just 622 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,359 Speaker 2: think about all of the people on foot that would 623 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 2: have passed under that arch. 624 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: That's one of the cool things about London. Last time 625 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: I was there, just walking around, I was in the 626 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: City of London. Actually I was walking toward this restaurant 627 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: that's run by one of my absolute favorite chefs in 628 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 1: the world, is called Saint John's. The chef's name is 629 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: Fergus Henderson. So I was walking in that direction and 630 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,720 Speaker 1: it it just happened by these plaques about like things 631 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: that are ancient to me as an American. You know, 632 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: it's crazy how close you can be to history in London. 633 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 2: And you can get. 634 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: Close to history too if you travel to Arizona. If 635 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: you say I don't want to spring for a ticket 636 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: for playing flight across the Atlantic, well not's worry, because 637 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: we have a little bit of London at home. You 638 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:23,240 Speaker 1: can go to Lake Havasu today and you can see 639 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: Rob McCullough's folly. It's still there. It's super cool, and honestly, 640 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: I think we should go. It's right on the border 641 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: of California in Arizona. What do you think we get 642 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: accounting to pay for that accounting? 643 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 2: We can just you know, it's better to ask for 644 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 2: forgiveness than permission. So I say, let's go for this 645 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 2: guy McCulloch man. He reminds I may have mentioned this 646 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,760 Speaker 2: on the show before, but I used to work for 647 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 2: a fellow his name, I will not say, not a 648 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 2: particularly awesome guy. He's not a great dude to work with, 649 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 2: and sometimes eccentrics can be a little bit difficult as 650 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 2: human beings. But he had all of these kind of 651 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 2: little Piamusky kind of ideas, and he would talk about them. 652 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 2: He would, you know, create kind of like it was 653 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 2: a marketing company, so he would create kind of like 654 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 2: fake logos and marketing around them, and then they would fizzle. 655 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 2: He wouldn't actually do anything with them. But one of them, 656 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 2: I swear he had his finger on the pulse. Right 657 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 2: before this thing just really became real with no participation 658 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 2: from him, he said, what if we had I came 659 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 2: up with, what if we had this like additive for 660 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 2: water that was like a powder and it made it 661 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 2: flavored and gave it like extra minerals and electrolytes, and 662 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:32,359 Speaker 2: we're gonna call it H two woe. And I was like, man, 663 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 2: that's kind of smart. And nothing happened with it, and 664 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 2: now that stuff is everywhere. So just goes to show 665 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 2: if you have what seemed like a pie in the 666 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 2: sky idea, sometimes you're just ahead of the curve, you know, 667 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 2: and definitely do your best to follow your dream. Just 668 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 2: don't like stomp people into the dirt in the process. 669 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: And tell us what kind of bridges you would like 670 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: to sell. Kidding, kidding, but this is this is great. 671 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: This is a cool piece of truly ridiculous history. And 672 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: they gotta say, I've got a lot of respect for 673 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: Rob McCullough. I love people with big ideas and I 674 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: can't believe he pulled it off. Congratulations to you, sir, 675 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: and thanks as always to our super producer mister Max Williams. 676 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 1: Thanks to Alex Williams. Thanks to Jonathan Strickland. We should 677 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: try to sell Jonathan a bridge. 678 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, I think he'd be here. You know, 679 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 2: he has this the kind of Anglo file that if 680 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 2: given the appropriate resources, he might well buy a bridge 681 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 2: or portion of a bridge that contained pieces of English history. 682 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 2: Also huge thanks to Christopher haciotis here in spirit, Eves, 683 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 2: Jeff Coates, and you've Ben and thanks to you Noel. 684 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 2: Thanks to you Max. 685 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 1: Let's head off to London or Arizona. What's the difference 686 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: really now? 687 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you think about it, you close your eyes. 688 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time, folks. 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