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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast show. Coming up later this hour, we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about is Russia really going to invade Ukraine? What

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Speaker 1: will Biden do about it? What will NATO, if anything,

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Speaker 1: do anything about it, even though Ukraine not a NATO country.

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Speaker 1: We've got that for you. We've got updates on the

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Speaker 1: situation here in New York City and the COVID madness

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Speaker 1: that is descending here because of the Blasio. But we

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Speaker 1: have our friend with us right now, as promised, Alex Baronson.

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Speaker 1: He is the author of Pandemia, which is out right

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Speaker 1: now and it's doing great so far. Pick up your copy.

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Speaker 1: I've got mine at home. Clay as his copy at home.

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Speaker 1: Pandemia a man who actually looks at the data and

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Speaker 1: says things that you would get from the data, no

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Speaker 1: matter how much the Fauciites scream at him. Alex, great

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Speaker 1: to have you. Thanks, Thanks, all right. So we're I mean,

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Speaker 1: we got we always want to start at the thirty

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Speaker 1: thousand foot level. We're at over one hundred thousand cases now.

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Speaker 1: I just saw this in New York Times, a huge

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Speaker 1: increased nationwide, we have two hundred million people quote fully

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Speaker 1: vaccinated in this country, right, and many more than that,

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Speaker 1: at least partially. Whatever that even means now vaccinated? What

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Speaker 1: the heck is going on, Alex? What does what does

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Speaker 1: the data tell us? Well? I mean, I listen, you

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Speaker 1: and I and Clay talked about this for for months.

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Speaker 1: It was obvious that there was going to be a

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Speaker 1: major winter waves because vaccine protection fades, and and you know,

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Speaker 1: we saw this in Europe, we saw it in the UK.

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Speaker 1: We knew there were going to be a lot of

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Speaker 1: a lot of cases this winter. Now we'll see what

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Speaker 1: happens with death. Hopefully death will not hit the level

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Speaker 1: that they hit last winter. And you know, the vaccine

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Speaker 1: fanatics will say, well, that's because vaccine prevent death, even

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Speaker 1: though they don't do anything else, and that's all we

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Speaker 1: ever wanted to do anyway, which as we know, as why.

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Speaker 1: But but you know, I think book therapeutics have improved,

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Speaker 1: doctors know more about how to treat this. We are seeing,

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Speaker 1: you know, somewhat lower death rates in a lot of countries,

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Speaker 1: which is obviously a good thing. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: think we're gonna we're gonna see this wave continue. Why

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Speaker 1: wouldn't we? This is a seasonal virus. The vaccines do

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Speaker 1: very little, if anything, to prevent infection and transmission, and

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Speaker 1: we're headed into the winter. Alex, I'm looking right now,

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Speaker 1: we're at around one hundred and twenty thousand new cases

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Speaker 1: a day if I look at what's going on. As

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Speaker 1: you mentioned what we have seen in Europe. We got

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Speaker 1: over two hundred thousand cases last winter, and I'm looking.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to check and see when that peaked,

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Speaker 1: and it seems like it peaked right around Christmas if

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Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken last year? Do you think this thing

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Speaker 1: would peak right around Christmas? Again? In terms of overall

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Speaker 1: number of cases? How do you anticipate what the winter

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Speaker 1: is going to look like? Um? You know, Christmas into

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Speaker 1: early January was the peak last year, And yeah, you're right,

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Speaker 1: and then death peak you know, a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: that would be quite likely based because we know this

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Speaker 1: thing is highly seasonal. Unfortunately, what we've now seen in

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Speaker 1: the UK is that when you high a highly vaccinated population,

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Speaker 1: you don't get this spike and drop. Okay, In a

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Speaker 1: so highly vaccinated, you see the same kind of curve

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Speaker 1: high caseloads and although you know, although again deaths had

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Speaker 1: me let me pull back even further away, and and uh,

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Speaker 1: if you're morbidly obese, you don't want to catch COVID. Okay,

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Speaker 1: beyond that, we should all be living our lives. And

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Speaker 1: I'm being told that I'm going to be barred from

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Speaker 1: public accommodations in two weeks unless I get another shot,

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Speaker 1: along with all the five year olds who apparently going

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Speaker 1: to have to provide paperwork to show that they've gotten

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Speaker 1: we're still kind of fighting against this madness. We're speaking

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Speaker 1: to Alex Barrons and for everyone joining us, author of Pandemia,

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Speaker 1: even when where is there to go well, just more

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Speaker 1: of what they've already done. This is this is the

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Speaker 1: constant refrain. Rec We started out the showbox talking about

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Speaker 1: we know? I mean, how they told us in August

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Speaker 1: And here's how we know it's a lot. You can

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Speaker 1: do PCR testing on people who've gotten the virus. Was

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Speaker 1: So that means you can be walking around shedding infectious

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Speaker 1: And that means you can transmit it. And that's true,

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Speaker 1: vaccinated or not. And you know, this is just something

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Speaker 1: idea why it doesn't. It makes no sense medically, and

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Speaker 1: give us some good news here. Alex one I tweeted

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Speaker 1: data reflects whether you are vaccinated or unvaccinated, your odds

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Speaker 1: if you are choosing to be unvaccinated, you are taking

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Speaker 1: a risk that primarily is going to reflect upon you,

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Speaker 1: your read on that. And then two, it appears that

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Speaker 1: omicron is not going to be this death wave, this plague.

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Speaker 1: This added definite awfulness that many people tried to reflect

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Speaker 1: also the data coming out, it doesn't appear to be

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Speaker 1: making things that much more dangerous. Would you agree with

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Speaker 1: both of those things. I would agree with both of them. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the author of Pandemia, his book out right now about

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Speaker 1: the entire pandemic. We highly recommend you get your copy

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Speaker 1: of it. Alex, did you see this story. I mean,

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Speaker 1: But you saw, for example, there was a choir service

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Speaker 1: way that they treated POWs, the way that that regime

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Speaker 1: completely dehumanized the enemy, abandoned all rules of warfare. And so,

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Speaker 1: various theaters, whether it was okanala Uojima, Guadalcanal, there was

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Speaker 1: a willingness to essentially turn these islands into trench warfare

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Speaker 1: battles and fight to the very last man. And that's

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Speaker 1: why we're taking such high casualties because we cleared out,

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Speaker 1: you know, our soldiers, our marines and the people that

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Speaker 1: were on the front lines were clearing out yard by yard,

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Speaker 1: these volcanic islands essentially that are that are almost like

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Speaker 1: So it was. You know, I don't think there's really

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Speaker 1: an I mean a lot of people listening to this

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Speaker 1: are big World War two history buff so they know.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think kids are learning this stuff. I

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Speaker 1: don't think they're understanding the full scope and scale of

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Speaker 1: only that, this is living memory. You probably Buck to

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Speaker 1: have been fortunate enough as I have to speak to

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Speaker 1: so many different people who thought both in the Pacific

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Speaker 1: theater and also in Your grandfather was on the USS Batan.

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Speaker 1: He was there for Lady Gulf, which was the biggest

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Speaker 1: naval engagement I believe in terms of ships involved in

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Speaker 1: modern history. And he rarely talked about it. But a

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Speaker 1: lot of you listening to this, I'm sure no. When

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Speaker 1: where the latter four or five years of the end

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Speaker 1: what it was like for five days straight off Kamikaze's coming,

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Speaker 1: and he would just start talking about out of nowhere.

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Speaker 1: I remember I told this story a few months ago.

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Speaker 1: I think about my great uncle who had met Patton

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Speaker 1: in while he was serving in Europe, and Patton was

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Speaker 1: walking down the line and talking, talking to the different soldiers,

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Speaker 1: And he stopped in front of my great uncle and said,

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Speaker 1: And he said no, and he said you will, kid,

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Speaker 1: you will. And the point I think that is so

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Speaker 1: illuminative an illustrative in so many ways, is right now

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Speaker 1: the way American history is being taught now. I was

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Speaker 1: of historiography and how we decide to tell the narrative

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Speaker 1: of the past. But we are skipping over the living

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Speaker 1: memory of the greatest generation. I believe thirty survivors of

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Speaker 1: Pearl Harbor are scheduled to be at the ceremonies today,

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Speaker 1: and we're skipping over the greatest generation and the legacies

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Speaker 1: that they have left us and are still here illuminating.

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Speaker 1: And instead we're going all the way back to sixteen

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Speaker 1: a fundamentally unfair and unjust country. And we're skipping right

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Speaker 1: over your point, Buck, which is we went to war

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Speaker 1: were determined to effectively destroy freedoms in the world in

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Speaker 1: the living memory of many people that are here with

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Speaker 1: us right now, and we're trying to pretend that that

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Speaker 1: isn't the actual legacy of America when it clearly is,

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Speaker 1: and it's just so fundamentally a lie that it's why

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Speaker 1: those generations and people who are closer to them are

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Speaker 1: so patriotic, because they understand what America represents, and younger

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Speaker 1: generations are being taught hey, four hundred years ago, America

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Speaker 1: was a bad place, and so you should hate this

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Speaker 1: country today. It's a fundamental failure of our country to

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Speaker 1: own our country's history in an honest and transparent way.

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Speaker 1: There are parents and grandparents and maybe even some you know,

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Speaker 1: some listening right now. We're there and saw some of

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Speaker 1: this themselves. But a lot of the people listening have

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Speaker 1: parents and grandparents who prevented a global totalitarianism from turning

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Speaker 1: us all into slaves of an authoritarian system. That is

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Speaker 1: the legacy of America within the last hundred years, which

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Speaker 1: is a pretty remarkable thing when you think about it.

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Speaker 1: By the way, it wasn't just the Nazis and the

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Speaker 1: imperial Japan and their allies. It's also the Soviet Union,

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Speaker 1: which we worked with in the Second World War, kind

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Speaker 1: of because we had to under the circumstances. The whole

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Speaker 1: other conversation we had about how really twin you know,

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Speaker 1: cousins of the evils of authoritarianism, the Soviet regime and

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Speaker 1: the Nazi regime, socialist evils by the way, and and

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Speaker 1: yet here we are now, as tier Point Clay, being

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Speaker 1: told constantly that America is a bad place. And I

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Speaker 1: know we make jokes about how, you know, the French

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Speaker 1: would be speaking German if it weren't for us, but

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Speaker 1: it's true. It's also worth remembering that, Yeah, we can

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Speaker 1: all kid about it now thanks to the you know,

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Speaker 1: thanks to some of the dads and granddads of people

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Speaker 1: listening to this program right now, and many people all

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Speaker 1: across the country, we actually do live in a free

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Speaker 1: society and it is worth it is worth fighting for.

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Speaker 1: It's something to remind ourselves are right. I mean, whatever,

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Speaker 1: whatever day we're dealing with, Clay, with the craziness of

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Speaker 1: a left these days, we're not being asked to charge

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Speaker 1: a machine gun nest at Guadalcanal when the chance of

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Speaker 1: getting through that one alive is anybody's guests. Think about

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Speaker 1: the difference buck between people today who call others they

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Speaker 1: disagree with Nazis on social media, as opposed to the

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Speaker 1: grandfathers and fathers of many of the people listening right

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Speaker 1: now who had to fight actual Nazis. That's where we

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Speaker 1: are as a country. We have the legacy to now

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Speaker 1: be able to just yell at people anonymously online who

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Speaker 1: say mean things or things that may make us unhappy.

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Speaker 1: Those guys had to actually risk their lives fighting legitimate Nazis.

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Speaker 1: Are we doing guys? We're good, Joel, thanks for calling in.

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Speaker 1: Tell everybody what you got on your mind. Well, I

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Speaker 1: work for an installation in New Jersey. It's called Picatinny Arsenal.

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Speaker 1: They employee well over three thousand employees, a lot of

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Speaker 1: government police, uh contractors, and these mandates are just continuing

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Speaker 1: to come down and it's it's causing chaos within within

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Speaker 1: the workforce. So yeah, so we have we have you know,

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Speaker 1: managers that are that are you know, forcing people to to,

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Speaker 1: you know, ask for information. Hey, you know, all right,

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Speaker 1: Sorry to cut you off. Are you guys federal contractors

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Speaker 1: or you like, in what way is the vaccine mandate

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Speaker 1: being applied to you? We are US government officials, d

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Speaker 1: D of the police. Okay, So I work for the

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Speaker 1: Department of Defense. I have a military ID card, just

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Speaker 1: like you know my brothers and sisters. So thank you

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Speaker 1: for the calling. I'm sorry to cut sorry to cut

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Speaker 1: you off here, and let me just explain to everybody

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Speaker 1: buck on Friday. You if you are trying, if you

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Speaker 1: are a private employer right now, and or you are

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Speaker 1: employed by a private employer, you are not allowed, based

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Speaker 1: on court rulings, to be relying on Joe Biden's vaccine

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Speaker 1: mandate to force and mandate your employees to get the vaccine.

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Speaker 1: They can't rely on that anymore. January fourth, that deadline

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Speaker 1: if we still have our caller. The difference is if

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Speaker 1: you are a federal employee. So far, the federal vaccine

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Speaker 1: mandate is still being applied. In other words, Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: has been found so far to have the right to

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Speaker 1: mandate for federal employees the vaccine, which I think confuses people.

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Speaker 1: And I just wanted to explain there as he was

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Speaker 1: talking about this, Jolly you had more for us. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So with these mandates, you know, you have civilian you know, management,

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Speaker 1: middle management that are asked tom to tell their employees, hey,

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Speaker 1: you need to go in this and fill out this

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Speaker 1: form and whatever. They don't want to do it. And

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Speaker 1: when they're asked guidance like, well, what happens if if

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Speaker 1: they refuse or or you know, I was told talk

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Speaker 1: to their lawyer. You know, the guidance to management, it

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Speaker 1: just goes down the line. So they're basically telling people

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Speaker 1: you use your powers of persuasion and quote. So they're

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Speaker 1: they're managers that that that don't want to do this,

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Speaker 1: they're they're being forced. And then you're you're enforcing employees.

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Speaker 1: So you're you're you got It's almost like segregation, right.

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Speaker 1: You have groups that that went out and they did

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Speaker 1: did the good thing, and they went and they got

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Speaker 1: their their job, and now they come to work and

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Speaker 1: and on this forum. This the second form that that

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Speaker 1: these the government employees were told to fill out. It

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Speaker 1: says show your papers. Yeah, no, Joe, wait, we hear you. Man.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a mess. It's a mess for a lot

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Speaker 1: of people all across the country right now who are

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out, you know, the state and local

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Speaker 1: regulations in the case of places like New York, and

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Speaker 1: of course the federal side, federal contractors. Thanks for calling

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Speaker 1: in man, you know, Clay, it's just you're talking about

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Speaker 1: the mess. You see these photos how in Germany right

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Speaker 1: now in supermarkets they are separating the vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Speaker 1: with like a chicken wire fence. Now, I am not

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Speaker 1: a doctor, and I am not a whatever you'd call

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Speaker 1: the special engineer who deals with airflow. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what you call it. I'm sure there's a name

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Speaker 1: for it, but I'm pretty sure that a chicken wire fence,

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Speaker 1: an actual I'm not talking about like an actual chicken

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Speaker 1: wire fence not gonna stop COVID. Remember we just talked

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Speaker 1: to Alex about super spreader events and how one guy

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Speaker 1: infected one hundred and twenty people out on a night out.

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Speaker 1: One hundred and twenty People's what's being reported. You think

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Speaker 1: a virus that's that contagious, the plastic plexiglass things they

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Speaker 1: lost their minds. Not only that, I think there's so

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Speaker 1: much complexity out here, and that's what that call kind

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Speaker 1: of reflected about what mandates are allowed to be enforced,

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Speaker 1: which ones are legally permissible. It's such a mess right now.

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Speaker 1: What I would say is, if you are a private

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Speaker 1: get a back scene, they do not have the legal

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Speaker 1: right to rely upon Joe Biden's vaccine mandate right now. Now.

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Speaker 1: If you're a federal employee, that's different. I know that's

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Speaker 1: a little bit complicated to people, but I would not

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Speaker 1: submit right now, and I would not allow your employer

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Speaker 1: to rely on the Biden vaccine mandate because courts have

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Speaker 1: found that's unconstitutional. Right now, we've got Brandon Jutta, the

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Speaker 1: Border Patrol Union, joining us next to talk about Remain

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Speaker 1: in Mexico being reinstated by the Biden administration. How many

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Speaker 1: gotaways this month, how many illegal immigrants coming into this

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Speaker 1: country and violation of our laws and is it just

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Speaker 1: going to keep going and going and going. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: break all that down for you, Plus we'll have some

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Speaker 1: time the next hour for is Russia going to invade Ukraine?

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Speaker 1: What do we do? If anything, what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: That's all coming down on the Clay and Buck Show.

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Speaker 1: Stick around Big third Hour. You're listening to Clay Travis

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Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton on the EIB Network m