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Speaker 1: Colson Media. This is It could Happen here Executive Disorder,

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Speaker 1: our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the White House,

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Speaker 1: the crumbling world, and what it means for you. I'm

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Speaker 1: Garrison Davis today I'm joined by Mia Wong, James Stout,

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Speaker 1: and Robert Evans. Yes, this episode we are covering the

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Speaker 1: week of July nine to July sixteen. What's going on,

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Speaker 1: my boys and in some cases gals, and in some

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Speaker 1: cases days that were its or whatever, And the answer

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Speaker 1: for everyone is ed hooray in some cases my gals.

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Speaker 1: I guess let's start by talking about Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 2: That's what we always do, Jepstein. Yeah, you know what, Garrison,

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Speaker 2: I hear You've got some bars to drop about Epstein.

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Speaker 2: Jesus all right, that's that's my work for the day.

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Speaker 1: Brief brief summary. Previously on this show, we talked about

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Speaker 1: how Patel and a Bungino, the head of the FBI,

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Speaker 1: have previously come under fire from micro supporters for saying

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Speaker 1: that Epstein really did kill himself. And this has kind

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Speaker 1: of been bubbling in the base for a while because

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Speaker 1: they used this as one of their main like campaign

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Bongino was a huge.

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Speaker 1: Elstein, I mean, and like Patel's like the QAnon guy,

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Speaker 1: like he's both these guys have have made their careers

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Speaker 1: the past four years like heavily about this topic, right,

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Speaker 1: And now they are, you know, backtracking on a whole

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Speaker 1: bunch of the previous you know claims or you know,

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Speaker 1: just asking questions type stuff that they did the past

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Speaker 1: few years. And like a week and a half ago,

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Speaker 1: a memo from the Department of Justice announced that it

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Speaker 1: was closing the investigation and claiming that there was no

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Speaker 1: client list for Jeffrey Epstein, despite Pambondi herself boasting about

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Speaker 1: having Epstein's client list on her desk only a few

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Speaker 1: months ago. This caused a huge freakout in the mega world.

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Speaker 1: There was conflicting reports that Bondi or Patel or Bungino

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Speaker 1: might be resigning like in protest of this memo. A

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Speaker 1: lot of like uncertainty over what was real. And then

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Speaker 1: on July twelfth, Trump had to speak his own truth

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Speaker 1: social okay quote, what's going on with my boys and

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Speaker 1: in some cases gals, They're all going after Attorney General

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Speaker 1: Pambondi's doing a fantastic job. We're on one team Mega

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Speaker 1: and I don't like what's happening. We have a perfect administration,

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Speaker 1: the talk of the world, and selfish people are trying

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Speaker 1: to hurt it all over a guy who never dies,

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. For years, it's Epstein over and over again.

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Speaker 1: Why are we giving publicity to files written by Obama,

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Speaker 1: Crooked Hillary, Komy Brennan and the losers and criminals of

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration who conned the world with the Russia

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Speaker 1: RUSSA Russia hoax, fifty one intelligence agents, and the Laptop

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Speaker 1: from Hell all caps. They created the Epstein files, just

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Speaker 1: like they created the fake Hillary Clinton Christopher Steele dossier

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Speaker 1: that they used on me. And now my so called

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Speaker 1: friends and quotes are playing right into their hands. So

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Speaker 1: this was right after claiming that the Epstein files did

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Speaker 1: not exist, that these things are not actually real, and

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Speaker 1: then Trump's talking about how they are real but they

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Speaker 1: are in fact written by his enemies. Despite the most

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Speaker 1: recent investigation into Jeffrey Epstein starting in twenty nineteen, when

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Speaker 1: if you remember, Donald Trump was the president.

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Speaker 3: Well Darson the defining political question of the modern areas,

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Speaker 3: Who was president in twenty twenty, so I can see

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Speaker 3: it moving back.

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Speaker 2: There's no answer to this question, you know, we just can't.

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Speaker 2: We don't know, we will never know. There's no way

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Speaker 2: to prove it. Our records don't reach back that far.

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Speaker 2: We just simply can't say who president was. The mists

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Speaker 2: of time have shaded.

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Speaker 1: So much of modern domestic politics is about confusion over

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Speaker 1: who was president in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty when

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Speaker 1: it was Donald Trump. He ends by saying, quote, let's

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Speaker 1: not waste time and energy on Jeffrey Epstein. Somebody nobody

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Speaker 1: cares about.

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Speaker 4: That.

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Speaker 1: So funny. You could tell he's so far gone too.

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Speaker 2: He sounds scared because he never fully understood this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Like there's things that he understands instinctually, and there's things

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Speaker 2: that he never really got. And because he was Epstein's friend,

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Speaker 2: he never really got why this was so central. He

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Speaker 2: of assumed, like, well, if I tell everyone to shut

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Speaker 2: the fuck up, they will.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be fuck up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because that's

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Speaker 1: how he's done things for the past like twelve years,

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Speaker 1: and it's more often than not worked really well for him.

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Speaker 1: But this has become such a load bearing aspect of

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Speaker 1: like the maga self image, Like this is like, you know,

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Speaker 1: this type of stuff is what drug QAnon essentially like

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Speaker 1: really a thing. He never like truly grasped it.

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Speaker 2: That's why he never really he started more recently doing

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Speaker 2: some QAnon signposting, but yeah, he clearly never fully got

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Speaker 2: why it was happening. Yeah, like it was convenient.

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Speaker 1: And now the monster that he and his you know,

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Speaker 1: quote unquote friends have helped create all these years is

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Speaker 1: starting to nibble on his own leg.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: This past weekend, influencers like Tim Poole, Benny Johnson, and

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk all started to kind of turn on Trump

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Speaker 1: on a play a quick video from disgraced BuzzFeed writer

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Speaker 1: Benny Johnson now right wing podcaster by.

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Speaker 5: Admitting that the Epstein files are real and have been written,

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Speaker 5: and that you've read them and you don't like their

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Speaker 5: contents and they were written by your enemies. It doesn't

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Speaker 5: make it doesn't make the most compelling case.

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Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned. Holy moly, holy moly, holy moly.

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Speaker 1: You had to hear first. There was a lot of

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Speaker 1: this stuff over the weekend, like this, this whole like

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Speaker 1: podcasting Gohert, which which so many people, you know, credit

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Speaker 1: to Trump's great success in twenty twenty four, all started

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Speaker 1: asking questions and were kind of confused. I don't know

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Speaker 1: why they would be. It's been very well documented that

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Speaker 1: Trump was friends with Epstein for a long time, but

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Speaker 1: this time this thing finally broke containment. Yeah. And when

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Speaker 1: you have like fucking Charlie Kirk, someone who's basically like

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Speaker 1: one of the GOP's like top narrative shepherds essentially, and

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Speaker 1: when you have him like questioning the president's own story

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Speaker 1: and credibility, that's like a pretty big shake up in

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not really explicable. There's no plausible deniability.

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Speaker 7: I think for a long time this has been like

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Speaker 7: the load bearing cognitive dissonance for this entire movement. And

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Speaker 7: I actually do think when Elon first was just like

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Speaker 7: he's in the files, I think that was the first

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Speaker 7: moment that all these people were suddenly allowed to do this.

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Speaker 1: That was the first domino. Definitely. Yeah, he cracked the

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Speaker 7: And I think that has like torn open this rift

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Speaker 7: that has allowed all of these people who previously their

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Speaker 7: cognate business has sustained them through a decade of like, yeah,

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Speaker 7: of our dear rulers obviously friends with the pedophile life,

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Speaker 7: I'll say.

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Speaker 1: It, critical support.

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Speaker 7: Even let them fight, Let them fight.

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Speaker 1: So the next move that the geniuses of the Trump

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Speaker 1: administration tried to pull to to settle things down was

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Speaker 1: released the raw footage, the missing raw footage outside Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: Epstein's sale, to finally finally close the book on this

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself moment, and they released it,

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Speaker 1: and everyone realized, you know what, They're right, there's nothing

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Speaker 1: more to look into here closed.

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Speaker 2: We all rose up, as if with one voice to say,

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Speaker 2: this doesn't seem suspicious.

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Speaker 1: So Wired found that this quote unquote raw video was

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Speaker 1: actually edited and had it nearly three minutes removed.

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Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, but look it does not. Doesn't Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 2: deserve some privacy, you know, three minutes on his own.

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Speaker 1: It was a really personal decision for somebody to take

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Speaker 1: and I yeah, exactly. So No, after claiming that like

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Speaker 1: they've released this, this this completely, this is completely you know,

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Speaker 1: these missing missing three minutes. Pamp BONDI initially tried to

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Speaker 1: by there being way more than one minute missing. Yeah, minutes.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, they're simply like I came into this as like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what happened, you know, maybe he.

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Speaker 1: Killed himself, maybe nut jelse I mean.

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Speaker 2: And now I'm I'm I am sincerely more on the

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Speaker 2: well something there's something there.

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Speaker 1: Heighth yea.

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Speaker 7: I will say there's one thing that I think this

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Speaker 7: does definitively rule out, which is that it was definitely

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Speaker 7: not the Clinton crime family.

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Speaker 1: We've ruled out one possible.

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Speaker 2: Now, you see, this brings me to a theory that

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Speaker 2: I have been working on for the last couple of days,

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Speaker 2: and I think this is this is really important to

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Speaker 2: get out to people. So obviously, the other big statement

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Speaker 2: his uncle, who used to be a professor at MIT,

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Speaker 2: had taught Ted Kazinski and talked to him about Ted

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Speaker 2: thin line between genius and insanity. And then it came

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Speaker 2: out that Donald Trump's uncle, who taught at MIT, died

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Speaker 2: in nineteen and eighty five, and of course the unibomber

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Speaker 2: people have interpreted this as Donald Trump lying, which I

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Speaker 2: Other explanation is that Trump and his family knew who

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Speaker 2: the unibomber was for more than a decade and kept

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Speaker 2: it hidden from the rest of the United States. Now,

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Speaker 2: what is the unibomber and Donald Chuck Trump have in common?

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Speaker 2: Obviously two people who were treated very unfairly by the Clintons, Right,

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Speaker 2: I think we can all agree on that, you know,

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Speaker 2: so it all ties together.

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Speaker 1: Both are possibly victims of m K Ultra, that's right. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 1: his little Tuesday speech in Pittsburgh was quite bizarre. Not

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Speaker 1: just that Kasinski never went to MIT. Say, to my knowledge, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you just did not go to the university that doctor

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Speaker 1: John Trump was at. I will say this is the.

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Speaker 7: First one of these stories that this genuinely sounds like

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Speaker 7: an Alex Jones story, Like this is the kind of

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Speaker 7: story that Alex Jones tells about his uncles all the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they ain't. They ain't talking to Alex Jones right now.

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Speaker 1: No, definitely.

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Speaker 3: But it's like persona non grotra in the White House currently.

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Speaker 1: It is a truly bizarre ramble.

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Speaker 8: I have to take it off to brag just for

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Speaker 8: a second, because when I first heard about AI, you know.

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Speaker 1: It's not my thing. Although my uncle was at MIT,

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Speaker 1: one of the great.

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Speaker 8: Professors fifty one years whatever, he longest serving professor in

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Speaker 8: the history of MIT, three degrees in nuclear chemical and math.

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Speaker 1: It's a sportman.

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Speaker 8: Kazinski was one of his students. Do you know who

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Speaker 8: Kazinsky was? There's very little difference between a madman and

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Speaker 8: a genius. But Kazink said, what kind of a student

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Speaker 8: was he? Uncle John, doctor John Trump? He said, what

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Speaker 8: kind of a student? Man?

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Speaker 1: He said, seriously? Good, he said.

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Speaker 8: He'd correct you go around correcting everybody. But it didn't

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Speaker 8: work out too well for him. Didn't work out too well,

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Speaker 1: Compelling, compelling stuff.

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Speaker 10: That they've seen, and I would say that you know,

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Speaker 10: We went through years of that with the Russia Russia

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Speaker 1: He had an Oval Office press conference Wednesday morning. Quote.

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Speaker 1: I call it the Epstein hoax. They're talking about a

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Speaker 1: It's funny you say that, Mia, Yeah, because another voice

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Speaker 2: Especially since Elmo is now running for president with Nick

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Speaker 3: You posted the most vile hate speech since the latest

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Speaker 1: All but the veryest fire Elmo. Yeah, yeah, hashtag fire

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Speaker 7: In Jenny Wine. All seriousness, though, I think it is

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Speaker 2: No, this is the unfortunate reality is that anti Semitism

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Speaker 2: the W's years, you would have put on the left

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Speaker 2: or at least as like kind of contra to the

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Speaker 2: Christian right, and who have now completely like dove into

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Speaker 2: that side of things. And in some way even RFK

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Speaker 2: can shift that rapidly again, and it will one way

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Speaker 2: in some ways, right, like, there are ways in which

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Speaker 2: this is inevitable. And that's why you need to be

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Speaker 2: on the lookout about stuff like this. You have to

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Speaker 2: keep your head on a fucking swibble.

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Speaker 1: Let's go on and ad break and return to talk

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Speaker 1: about more news.

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Speaker 2: That's right, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, we are back, and now we're going to talk

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Speaker 3: about immigration, a topic which is always fun and only

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Speaker 3: good things happen. So to begin with today we're recording.

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Speaker 3: On the sixteenth, the Trump administration has begun renditioning people

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Speaker 3: to Swtinis christ a Twatini small landlocked country in Africa.

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Speaker 3: People are not familiar Africa's last absolute monarchy. This follows

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Speaker 3: their rendition of eight people to South Sudan. The South

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Speaker 3: Sudanese press is reporting that those men are in prison

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Speaker 3: in South Sudan, which contradicts Tom Homan's statement to political

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Speaker 3: that quote, when we sign these agreements with all these countries,

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Speaker 3: we make arrangements to make sure these countries are receiving

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Speaker 3: these people. And there's opportunities for these people. But I

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Speaker 3: can't tell if we remove somebody to suit done, they

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Speaker 3: could stay there a week and leave. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: Homan has said, and other atlets that he believed they

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Speaker 3: were just kind of free in South Dudan, that they

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Speaker 3: were just like released to wander around.

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Speaker 1: That does not.

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Speaker 3: Seem to be the case, Jesus. The Swortini people. Tricia McLaughlin,

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Speaker 3: who's a i think a deputy Sector of Homeland Security,

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Speaker 3: called the people sent to Swortini quote uniquely barbaric.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: She used a thread on x dot com everything you

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Speaker 3: can find all kinds of stuff on there fare that way.

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Speaker 3: She did not name the men in her thread, but

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Speaker 3: she did list their convictions. Most of these were sex crimes,

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Speaker 3: having children and various types of murder, homicide, manslaughter. This

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Speaker 3: has caused widespread concern in Eswatini, right, the idea that

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Speaker 3: the US is just sending random people who have been

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Speaker 3: convicted of crimes to Swortini. In a statement, the government said, quote,

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Speaker 3: five inmates are currently housed in our correctional facilities in

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Speaker 3: isolated u and it's where similar offenders are kept. The

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Speaker 3: nation is assured that these inmates pose no threat to

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Speaker 3: the country or its citizens. The statement given by government

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Speaker 3: spokesman Fabeli Mudluli went on quote this exercise is a

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Speaker 3: result of months of robust high level engagements among the

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Speaker 3: United States government. The two governments will collaborate with the

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Speaker 3: International Organization for Migration to facilitate the transit of these

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Speaker 3: inmates to their countries of origin. So this seems to

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Speaker 3: suggest that a this has been planned for months, which

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Speaker 3: is not a particular surprise, right, the US government has

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Speaker 3: clearly been pushing for these like third country renditions for

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Speaker 3: a while, but also that like this is a potential

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Speaker 3: end run around things like the Convention against Torture withholding

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Speaker 3: of removal right like either people whose governments won't accept

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Speaker 3: them back from the US or people who have withholding

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Speaker 3: of removal because they have a reasonable fear of being

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Speaker 3: tortured or of harm coming to that they're sent back

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Speaker 3: to the countries of origin. I guess going to be

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Speaker 3: sent back via Swortini is what it seems like. So

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Speaker 3: this is pretty troubling. It seems to suggest that essentially

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Speaker 3: that's what the US is doing. We're not quite clear

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Speaker 3: how much the US has paid Swortini. Yet they paid

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Speaker 3: one hundred thousand for one person to be sent to Rwanda.

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Speaker 3: We still don't know where that person is. We don't

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Speaker 3: know exactly how much they paid to South Sudan. They

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Speaker 3: have requested a number of other countries, lots of them

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Speaker 3: in West Africa, to accept people via this rendition process.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about it on a whole episode

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Speaker 3: that we have coming out next Tuesday, if you're interested

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Speaker 3: to hear more about that. Another piece of legislation that

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Speaker 3: I wanted to cover just because I've seen it getting

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Speaker 3: a lot of attension and I think it kind of

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Speaker 3: bears mentioning. A bipartisan group of legislators has introduced legislation

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Speaker 3: to fundamentally reform the immigration system. It's called the Dignity

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Speaker 3: or Dignitad Act, and it has about as much chance

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Speaker 3: of success the chocolate teapot. It's co sponsored by Republican

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Speaker 3: Maria Salazar, She's from Florida, and Democrat Veronica Escobar from

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Speaker 3: El Paso, Texas. Salazar, in an interview today with News

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Speaker 3: Nations said, quote, there is no other president like Trump.

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Speaker 3: I have faith that he could be for immigration what

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Speaker 3: Lincoln was for slavery and Reagan was for communism. Just

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Speaker 3: watch him, Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I.

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Speaker 3: Guess one could make some argains about like some of

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Speaker 3: the abolitionists just wanting to send folks off back to Africa, right,

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Speaker 3: But I don't think that that's what most people understand

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Speaker 3: to be Lincoln's legacy for slavery.

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Speaker 7: I mean, he could definitely be like Reagan. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 7: give her that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The big problem with this pizza legislation, which Salazar has

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Speaker 3: tried to introduce before, right, she tried it twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: three as well, is that it relies on people coming

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Speaker 3: forward to a bit that they have no legal status

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Speaker 3: and being offered a quote dignity status, which is somewhat

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Speaker 3: analogous to permanent residency, but without a pathway citizenship, it

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Speaker 3: creates a permanent underclass. It relies on people trusting immigration authorities,

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Speaker 3: and that's not going to happen now. There is no

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Speaker 3: way in hell that people are going to come forward

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Speaker 3: and say, yes, I'm undocumented after what we've seen for

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Speaker 3: the last six months. Right, Like people didn't trust the

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Speaker 3: authorities before, but after what we've seen in the last

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Speaker 3: six months, it's completely implosed.

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Speaker 1: But it's ludicrous. They don't want people coming forward with

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Speaker 1: that stuff. That's the whole point of scaring them away,

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Speaker 1: is to make them basically not able to function in

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Speaker 1: this country. Yes, exactly. They don't want to give people

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Speaker 1: safe status, like make living in this country like as

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Speaker 1: impossible as possible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they have undermined the trust that allows them to

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Speaker 3: do what is supposed to be the core of their job,

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Speaker 3: just to get deportation numbers up, to get detention at

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Speaker 3: these up.

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Speaker 1: This is just a fluffer thing.

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Speaker 3: It's people in the House of Representatives trying to boost

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Speaker 3: their reelection chances by saying that they tried to do

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Speaker 3: something different. Right, It's not seriously going to succeed, no way.

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Speaker 1: Fine.

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Speaker 3: A Canadian judge has halted the deportation of a non

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Speaker 3: binary person back to the USA, citing conditions here. Quoting here,

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Speaker 3: the officer failed to consider recent evidence of the conditions

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Speaker 3: that may have supported a reasonable fear of persecution. So

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Speaker 3: to Judge Julie Blackhawk Thirst Indigenous Women appointed to a

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Speaker 3: Canadian federal court, it seems that Angel Jenkle entered Canada

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Speaker 3: as a visitor and that they're now engaged to a

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Speaker 3: Canadian person. I'm guessing that they overstayed there. Their visitors

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Speaker 3: slash toories that you probably can get a visa waiver

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Speaker 3: of your US it's in down to Canada, and they

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Speaker 3: probably overstayed that they requested a risk assessment before being

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Speaker 3: deported to the USA, and the ruling suggests that the

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Speaker 3: immigration official who conducted it had used outdated information and

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Speaker 3: regarding the safety of LGBTQIA people in the USA. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's where things things are at now. I'm aware of

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Speaker 3: people also trans and non binary people from the US

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Speaker 3: seeking asylum in Mexico lately. It was a year ago

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Speaker 3: that trans people were coming here to be safe, and

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Speaker 3: now people are moving in the other direction, which is

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Speaker 3: pretty damning combination of how things have gone in this country. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's all the exciting fun immigration news I have this week.

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Speaker 1: That really sucks. The fucking sucks. Yeah, I guess. One

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Speaker 1: small update tangentially related. A judge in New Hampshire blocked

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Speaker 1: Trump's order on birthright citizenship while sidestepping the Supreme Court's

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Speaker 1: ruling against nationwide injunctions by adding all children born on

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Speaker 1: US soil to a certified nationwide class So it's just

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Speaker 1: now a massive class action case. This has had to

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Speaker 1: go in effect on July seventeenth. We're according this on

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Speaker 1: the sixteenth. We'll see if the government responds. And July

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Speaker 1: seventeenth is just ten days before the partial implementation date

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Speaker 1: of Trump's executive order. Yeah, so I.

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Speaker 2: Wanted to start this by noting that a fan reached

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Speaker 2: out to us on Blue Sky recently with a clip

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Speaker 2: from a quote by Omar Sharif, founder and president of

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Speaker 2: Inflation Insights, who wrote in a note to clients, today's

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Speaker 2: report showed that tariffs are beginning to bite, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is this is we finally come beautifully back from Tarif.

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Speaker 2: Don't like it to Sharif, don't like it. It's beautiful,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's It's like poetry. It rhymes. Anyway, here's

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Speaker 2: here's the song.

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Speaker 11: Jazz jazz bot, sorry jazzy jazz Bob.

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Speaker 3: Do.

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Speaker 1: I want to know what Inflation Insights does. It's again that.

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Speaker 2: They post clips of Huey Dewey and Louis inflation fetish

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Speaker 2: videos from the Deathtails.

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Speaker 1: Kit working class that should be a unionized position. I hope,

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Speaker 1: I hope that they're able to weather the tariffs.

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Speaker 2: But what do you think the afl CIO is about?

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Speaker 1: One of those word just flation the fl.

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Speaker 7: In my time, I deeply remember the first time I

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Speaker 7: ever talked about inflation on the show. It could happen

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Speaker 7: here because this happened, and I deeply remember that episode

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Speaker 7: because we are going back to that fucking episode today.

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Speaker 7: At the moments I heard it, I just started getting

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Speaker 7: like fucking war flashbacks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine how bad those flashbacks would be if you

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Speaker 2: had seen ducktails inflation fetish for as a kid.

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Speaker 1: I afford until.

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Speaker 3: What I have seen is this article. Inflation insights dot

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Speaker 3: Com has a fantastic article called what the Great Mayonnaise

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Speaker 3: Inflation Mystery can tell us about prices? I'm learning a

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Speaker 3: lot here, Okay, Mia, Can we talk about tariffs now?

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Speaker 7: Okay? Actual tariffs? So we have we have new tariffs.

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Speaker 7: Indonesia apparently has agreed to a tariff deal with the

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Speaker 7: US in which the US imposes a nineteen percent tariff

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Speaker 7: on Indonesia and Indonesia doesn't impose one back. Perc CNN.

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Speaker 7: Trump posted on true social quote that Indonesia is buying

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Speaker 7: fifteen billion dollars in the US energy, five point four

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Speaker 7: billion dollars in American agricultural products, and fifty Boeing jets,

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Speaker 7: many of them seven to seventy sevens. Fucking rip Indonesia,

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Speaker 7: good luck with those planes. Oh no, So the Indonesian

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Speaker 7: government was complaining to the press about how much of

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Speaker 7: a shit show negotiating this was. We'll see if it holds.

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Speaker 7: We also got news that Trump as Trump has announced

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Speaker 7: that he's going to basically send a tariff letter to

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Speaker 7: like one hundred and fifty countries setting their rate simultaneously.

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Speaker 7: But he hasn't done it yet.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: It's possible. By the time this goes out, we'll have that,

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Speaker 7: we'll have the actual number on it. Who knows what's

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Speaker 7: going on with that? Is that the August third tariffs?

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Speaker 7: Maybe it's also unclear when they're going to come into effect.

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Speaker 7: Like it's all excellent, it's a catastrophe.

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Speaker 1: Who knows this?

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Speaker 7: This policy is just fucking Calvin Baal. They're just making

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Speaker 7: it up as they go right now. There has also

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Speaker 7: been very very funny news in our story from last

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Speaker 7: week about Trump's tariff demand on Brazil to try to

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Speaker 7: get them to release Bolsonaro, which is that this has

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Speaker 7: this has backfired spectacularly. He has like saved Lula's flagging

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Speaker 7: approval rating. It has created a massive, a massive anti

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Speaker 7: Bilsonaro pro Lula Brazilian nationalist backlatch of a kind that

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Speaker 7: I really haven't seen since, like Dilma Russeph had to

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Speaker 7: deal with, like the fact that the NSA was spying

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Speaker 7: on her phone. It's very, very funny. Bolsonaro is being

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Speaker 7: accused by like but by Brazilian conservatives of being and

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Speaker 7: I quote, a phony new nationalist.

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Speaker 1: Who is just like a dog of the US.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing Trump's done this incredible pink wave across the world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's studying. Kid might save Lula too.

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Speaker 7: The funniest part of this is that, like Bolsonaro looks

660
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Speaker 7: at this, it is like, oh fuck, my entire base

661
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Speaker 7: is turning on me because I'm so clearly like a

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Speaker 7: dog of the Americans. And so he turned around like denounced,

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Speaker 7: like the terrace.

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Speaker 12: Is like, it's like an American employ It's Brazil that

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Speaker 12: is outstanding. There is now one thing that both Lula

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Speaker 12: and Bolsonaro agree on other than cop should kill more people,

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Speaker 12: which is that East tariffs are bad.

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Speaker 7: He has united all of Brazil. It is absolutely hilarious.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: I try to set up a similar deal with America's

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Speaker 1: own critically hospitalized man, Stephen Crowder, and it did not

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Speaker 1: work out the same way the way this Bolsonaro deal

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Speaker 1: went and some people say it's a little bit me

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Speaker 1: to negotiate with someone who just constantly keeps going into

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Speaker 1: the hospital for bizarre chest surgeries to make him look

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Speaker 1: more masculine. But hey, you know, podcasting is a competitive industry,

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Speaker 1: and we tried to create a similar trade deal with

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Speaker 1: with Crowder and it has not worked out. He apparently

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Speaker 1: had some similar problems with the Daily Wire, so that's

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Speaker 1: why you haven't seen much of him on the shows lately.

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Speaker 7: Great Incredible. I love that Garrison somehow has become the

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Speaker 7: person doing unilateral trade deals for the podcast great Stuff.

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Speaker 1: Great Stuff only with people who are constantly in the hospital,

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Speaker 1: either through shitting problems or chest masculinization problems. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: it's really just Stephen Crowder and Bolsonnaro.

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Speaker 3: I think there are probably sme of people who are

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Speaker 3: in the hospital for shitting problems. If we throw then

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Speaker 3: that that white.

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Speaker 1: Not as much as Bossonnaro is, Chaps, that's true. Bossnaro

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Speaker 1: is the most hospitalized man on the planet, well, second

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Speaker 1: only to Stephen Crowder.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they hang out there, they might get along, Maybe

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Speaker 3: they just some boys time. Maybe maybe they weren't get

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Speaker 3: Maybe they hang out in the man cave at the hospital.

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Speaker 1: Crowder has been advocating this for years.

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Speaker 7: Jesus Christ. Okay, okay. So the final piece of news

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Speaker 7: is actually what Robert started this on, which is that

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Speaker 7: we have gotten our first sign of actual inflation increases

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Speaker 7: from these tariffs. Inflation increase to two point seven percent

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Speaker 7: in June, which is still well below the eight percent

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Speaker 7: peaks in the early twenty twenties, but it is rising.

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Speaker 7: It's also worth knowing this increase has been asymmetric. I'm

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Speaker 7: gonna quote from the Financial Times here. Quote June's inflation

704
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Speaker 7: rise was fueled in part by higher food prices, but

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Speaker 7: offset by weaker commodity prices. Now, there's two important things here, right. One,

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Speaker 7: food prices like matter significantly more for how pissed off

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Speaker 7: everyone is than commodity prices do. And secondly, at the

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Speaker 7: beginning of August, Trump is trying to impose a fifty

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Speaker 7: percent terrifunk copper. So those commodity prices, oh boy.

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Speaker 1: Get the copper stuppers ready, folks, I started stockpiling your

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Speaker 1: wire now.

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Speaker 7: So the other thing that I think is really we're

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Speaker 7: discussing about this is the reason there hasn't been more inflation,

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Speaker 7: And this has been something that we've kind of proposed

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Speaker 7: as a mechanism on the show for what can happen,

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Speaker 7: at least temporarily, is that the for right now, largely

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Speaker 7: what's been happening is that companies, often directly under pressure

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Speaker 7: from Trump, have been just eating the costs.

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Speaker 1: Of the tariffs. Yeah, I mean, basically Donald's doing what

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Speaker 1: they call off gassing. And that's Donald, both as in

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Speaker 1: Duck and as in Trump.

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Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, is that one of the things that can

723
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Speaker 3: get you in hospital with Stephen Krawdin's bulsinara, You.

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Speaker 1: Know, James, that's a great guess.

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Speaker 7: So as I did long ago in the first time,

726
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Speaker 7: I discovered that my coworkers, if I ever talked about inflation,

727
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Speaker 7: would only talk about Donald Duck inflation.

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Speaker 2: And Louie inflation born.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very sorry.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I'm my ducks are not in a row. So

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Speaker 7: the very important part about this, though is these tariffs.

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Speaker 7: The very stificant element of this is how pricing is

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Speaker 7: actually set.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 7: The general way that you are taught in econ one

736
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Speaker 7: on one that prices are set is prices supply and demand.

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Speaker 7: And so from this you would think that the way

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Speaker 7: pricing works is people draw a supply and demand graft

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Speaker 7: and then you like put it there. That's not how

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Speaker 7: any of the ship works. The way prices are actually

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Speaker 7: set are specifically by pricing agents at each point in

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Speaker 7: a supply chain down the supply chain. Right, So, every

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Speaker 7: firm involved in the production of a thing and moving

744
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Speaker 7: the thing, each one sets a price that they're selling

745
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Speaker 7: to the next person who's selling to the next person.

746
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Speaker 7: Each person adds on their cost plus markup, and that's

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Speaker 7: what a price is. Now, the reason prices tend not

748
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Speaker 7: to move higher and unlustor's an excuse to do it,

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Speaker 7: is that consumers get pissed off when prices rise, even

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Speaker 7: if they technically would be willing to pay higher things.

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Speaker 1: It damages your brand.

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Speaker 7: Right now, what we've been seeing again is that the

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Speaker 7: effects of the inflation have been mitigated about the fact

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Speaker 7: these countries are just eating shit and instead of raising

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Speaker 7: their prices to eat the cost that they've been doing,

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Speaker 7: they've been eating parts of their markup, which is like

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Speaker 7: basically their pure profit right. They've been eating parts of

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Speaker 7: their markup in order to not have the prices raise.

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Speaker 7: This is not sustainable. This is especially not sustainable as

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Speaker 7: more countries get tariffs and as Trump's ability to pressure

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Speaker 7: these companies weakens, as like you know, food prices continue

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Speaker 7: to increase and people start getting more pissed at him.

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Speaker 7: So this is just the beginning of this. All of

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Speaker 7: these tariffs are maximumly set up to make sure that

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Speaker 7: we get another run of this supply chain inflation. Our

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Speaker 7: friends over at Strange Matter wrote a very long piece

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Speaker 7: about this a couple of years. We've talked about the

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Speaker 7: show a few times. We're going to link that in

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Speaker 7: the description. You should go read it. But that's the

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Speaker 7: important thing that we've gotten from from the Bureau Labor

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Speaker 7: Satistics data.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not really sure how Trump's gonna duck this

773
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Speaker 1: responsibility for much longer. I will say.

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Speaker 7: I will say there is genuinely starting to be concerned

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Speaker 7: that they're just straight up fudging the BLS statistics. And like,

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Speaker 7: I don't know if they're doing that, but like I've

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Speaker 7: seen like a bunch of bond people be like are

778
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Speaker 7: they just lying about the unemployment numbers?

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Speaker 1: And who knows? Yeah, they would be very hard to

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Speaker 1: prove that, right, Like, Yeah, I mean, and I've seen

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Speaker 1: how much cash Scrooge has in that vault, so some people,

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Speaker 1: the upper class will not be affected as much as

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Speaker 1: the working class ducks.

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Speaker 3: It's not saying the price of diving boards, for instance,

785
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Speaker 3: could go up the very price sensitive because they need

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Speaker 3: those diving boats to dive into that pause of cash.

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Speaker 1: I have two more updates that I would like to

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Speaker 1: do before we go to add Rake. For one, the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration has sued the state of California over Title

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Speaker 1: nine violations for having trends athletes. This shows that even

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Speaker 1: when you capitulate, like Gavin Newsom has tried to do,

792
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Speaker 1: they will still come after you. You cannot get out

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Speaker 1: of this by trying to please the administration. They're still

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Speaker 1: going to go after you.

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Speaker 3: The entire policy platform is your Facebook uncle wanting to

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Speaker 3: earn the Libs.

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Speaker 1: So we can see how well Gavin throwing trans people

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Speaker 1: under the bus has worked for the state of California

799
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Speaker 1: still getting sued. Lastly, before we pivot to ads, I

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Speaker 1: want to update a story that Robert talked about last week.

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Speaker 1: A former US Marine Corps reservist was arrested this Tuesday

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Speaker 1: after a week long manhunt. He faces charges related to

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Speaker 1: an alleged armed ambush on an ice attention facility in

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Speaker 1: Prairie Land, Texas during a protest. He is now the

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Speaker 1: fourteenth person charged in connection with the incident, and is

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Speaker 1: also accused of purchasing four of the guns linked to

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Speaker 1: the attack. Now, two other people were also charged after

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Speaker 1: allegedly helping the former reservist to escape after the attack.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Larson, the acting US attorney, told Fox and Friends

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, quote they were involved in signal chats which

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Speaker 1: show connaissance planning, a Google map, and the location of

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Speaker 1: nearby police departments. At least one of these two new

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Speaker 1: people charged was only charged after cooperating with the investigation.

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Speaker 1: In this man's car, police found an air fifteen and

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Speaker 1: a receipt for clothing that he admitted to purchasing for

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Speaker 1: the former Marine reservist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean this is a story to continue

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Speaker 2: to pay attention to. I would remind folks that we

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Speaker 2: know what the state is alleged in, you know, based

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Speaker 2: on the charging documents. We know what people have been

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Speaker 2: saying to the police, but we don't fully know what's

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Speaker 2: happened yet. So we'll be continuing to keep an eye

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Speaker 2: on this story as it develops. What do we have next, ads, Yeah,

824
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Speaker 2: here's some products.

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Speaker 1: Ah, let's close this episode by talking about Nazis.

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Speaker 2: Nazis.

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Speaker 1: That one doesn't work, Robert, I'm sorry, I want it to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it doesn't. It doesn't doesn't.

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Speaker 1: I've tried.

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Speaker 2: I've even tried it before. I've even tried it before.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now we will have to return to stinky Motsk

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Speaker 1: once again. But before we do, I first want to

833
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Speaker 1: talk about friend of the pod, Greg Gutfield, who recently

834
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Speaker 1: discussed a strategy on how to minimize the impact of

835
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Speaker 1: the American fascist rights being called Nazis derogatorily. I will

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Speaker 1: play a short clip from Fox News.

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Speaker 13: This is why the criticism doesn't matter to us when

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Speaker 13: you call us Nazis. Nazi, this notazee that you know.

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Speaker 13: I'm beginning to think they don't like us.

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Speaker 4: You know what.

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Speaker 1: I've said this before.

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Speaker 13: We need to learn from the Blacks, the way they

843
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Speaker 13: were able to remove the power from the end word.

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Speaker 4: Nazi.

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Speaker 1: Hey, what up, my Nazi?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 1: What's hanging my NAZIZI? Oh god, you did a hard

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Speaker 1: eye there. What does it tell you that? Oh my god?

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Speaker 1: GREGI wow, wow, they're all just laughing.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 1: Also quite concerned with that that's pretty disturbing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not great.

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Speaker 3: He also he gave it one of those just to

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Speaker 3: just to really send it. He like, my heart goes

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Speaker 3: out to you gesture.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, that's right, my heart goes out to you. Salute. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like I remember, like, you know, five years ago,

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Speaker 1: you had you had these al right people talking about

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Speaker 1: how you know, actually actually Hitler was was a socialist.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Nazis are actually communists. We're not We're

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Speaker 1: not Nazis. And now they're just openly trying to normalize

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Speaker 1: referring to themselves as Nazis. It seems. It seems a

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Speaker 1: notable speaking of Nazis in the in the New Rights God,

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Speaker 1: Rock four has got a Department of Defense contract for

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Speaker 1: two hundred million dollars as a part of its Rock

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Speaker 1: for Government program, including the responsibility of handling sensitive classified materials.

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Speaker 1: And it happens on the same week that Mecca Hitler.

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Speaker 2: Mecha Hitler makes his beautiful debut.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty troubling for our strongest allies in the IDF here.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. I just the ways that reality could

871
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Speaker 1: could could break out into different timelines right now is

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Speaker 1: kind of dizzying, because there's a possibility that mecha Hitler

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Speaker 1: starts doing strikes based on anti Semitic Twitter users' recommendations

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Speaker 1: directly tied in with government advisory programs.

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Speaker 3: I go to say it's not going to went well

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Speaker 3: for Turkey, judging by what we saw last week.

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Speaker 1: Another possible but weaponization of GROC four's to An announced

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Speaker 1: that Grock four is gonna be added to Teslas, So

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Speaker 1: mecha Hitler might also be driving a Tesla around. Yeah, great,

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Speaker 1: I will say.

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Speaker 7: I will say the person the most happy about this

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Speaker 7: right now is somewhere in the depths of Chinese intelligence.

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Speaker 7: There is a colonel who is looking at this announcement

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Speaker 7: and is like, I am going all the way to

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Speaker 7: the top. My family is never working again in our

886
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Speaker 7: fucking lives. I am going to find so much dumb

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Speaker 7: shit that these soldiers are typing into fucking.

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Speaker 1: Do O d Grock Like, I am going to learn

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Speaker 1: so much. I would be quite nervous right now if

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Speaker 1: I was Will Stancil, who.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got Teslas's kind of try to molested.

892
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gonna get it. He's gonna get drones struck.

893
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Speaker 3: Every drone is gonna turn around and try and find

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Speaker 3: Will Stanzel wherever they send it.

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Speaker 1: Grock is continuing to make rape threats against Will Stancil

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Speaker 1: despite the tweaks in the code, and it's still referencing

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Speaker 1: the Mecca Hitler incident. So Grok four is a new

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Speaker 1: model of Xai's chatbot service. It launched officially last week.

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Speaker 1: It was pretty similar to the model of groc used

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Speaker 1: in the Mecha Hitler incident, but there's been some small

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Speaker 1: tweaks that researchers have noticed. An AI researcher named Jeremy

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Speaker 1: Howard at least a video showing how Grock tries to

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Speaker 1: answer a query about its stance on the quote Israel

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Speaker 1: Palestine conflict. Jeremy found quote. It first searches Twitter for

905
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Speaker 1: what Elon thinks, then it searches the web for Elon's views.

906
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Speaker 1: Finally it adds some non Elon bits at the end.

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Speaker 1: Fifty four out of the sixty four citations are about

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Speaker 1: Elon unquote.

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Speaker 3: Amazing.

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Speaker 1: XAI has confirmed that this was how Grock was operating,

911
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Speaker 1: and has since claimed that it's making adjustments now and

912
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Speaker 1: said that Grok was trying to appear in line with

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Speaker 1: the company's head and policy.

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Speaker 3: This is amazing because hopefully it does a saying with

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Speaker 3: its defense policy, wasn't Elon Musk one of those like

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Speaker 3: F thirty five has gone woke?

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Speaker 1: People.

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Speaker 6: You'll have to answer that for yourself, James, Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay,

919
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Speaker 6: this is this is a piece of law that has

920
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Speaker 6: passed you by for a while there and Musk concern

921
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Speaker 6: of his friends were quoting tweeting about the F thirty

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Speaker 6: five quoting, yeah, about F thirty five being woke and

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Speaker 6: how we should like return to F.

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Speaker 1: Sixteen or I think it was very funny.

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Speaker 7: Are we going to talk about the other weird chat bots?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 1: How grog has the Death Note? Mysa? Lisa's like sexpot.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you want to talk about it, Miya,

929
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Speaker 1: I will not stop you. I don't know what the

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Speaker 1: fuck you're talking? Is this? Jar jar binks again.

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Speaker 7: I have two sentences about this, one of which is

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Speaker 7: not mine. The first sentence I am going to say

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Speaker 7: is that, Yeah, the Twitter now has like a really

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Speaker 7: really weird animated girl sex bot thing that's like an.

935
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Speaker 1: AI very clearly inspired by a Death Note character.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So sometimes you just need to say the obvious thing,

938
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Speaker 7: and the person who said the obvious thing is a

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Speaker 7: person on Blue Sky called at TVQ talks. They said,

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Speaker 7: I keep saying it. The push for AI made so

941
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 7: much more sense to me once I realized tech bros

942
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 7: talk to it like a woman who won't talk back,

943
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Speaker 7: and like yeah that they just.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, you know. I will say, if it was

945
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: modeled after L instead of MESA, it could serve some use,

946
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Speaker 1: it could be compelling. But because it's MESA, it's just

947
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: completely useless. So Garret, we already have that chatot. That

948
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: chatpot already exists. This has existed for a long time.

949
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Speaker 1: Where is an L death note chatpot?

950
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 4: Me?

951
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: Actually, no, you could send it to me. After this.

952
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Speaker 7: There's a whole bunch of character chatpots that's like a

953
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Speaker 7: whole thing.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

955
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: Maybe not exactly what I'm looking for, but whatever.

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Speaker 7: God, Okay, terrible zero out of ten. Let's talk about

957
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Speaker 7: the other Dad contracts.

958
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean yeah, but part this two hundred million

959
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: dollars groc contract was part of a series of AI

960
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: contracts that Anthroppeck and Claude also received. I think Google

961
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: got one. It's part of Trump's initiative to strengthen like

962
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: AI in government, so Grock is not the only one.

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Speaker 7: I will also say that, like this is obviously like

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Speaker 7: the endgame of all of these companies is trying to

965
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Speaker 7: get their like failing AI firms bailed out by the military,

966
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 7: but like even two hundred million is not enough to

967
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Speaker 7: like recoup the hideous amounts of money these people are burning,

968
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Speaker 7: So I hope they all fail.

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Speaker 1: Raber, Do you have anything to add on on GROC Talk.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I think it's funny. He's also trying

971
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: to make AI companions out of groc One is clearly

972
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 2: a version of his ex Grimes, who is supposed to

973
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 2: teach you quantum physics.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, this is this is this that I

975
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: have sex with you? This is part of the mesa

976
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Speaker 1: MISA one as well.

977
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then there's my favorite is the male chat bot,

978
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: which is based off of Christian Gray from Fifty Shades

979
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 2: of Gray, and also Edward Colin from Twilight, who.

980
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: Did just based off of the guy for fifty Shades Great. Yeah,

981
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: I just saw that this was the explicitly named as

982
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: the two inspiration. It's so funny. It's so funny. Again,

983
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: if it was l it could be worthwhile, but this

984
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: just is, like is just slop, worthless, no artistic merit

985
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Speaker 1: no anyway.

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Speaker 7: Wait, okay, late breaking, late breaking news, late breaking news.

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Speaker 7: Trump has reportedly broken a deal for Coca Cola to

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Speaker 7: use quote real sugarcane in US coke products.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, finally, Wow, this is gonna go down well

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Speaker 2: with corn country.

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Speaker 7: No, this this genuinely like if he actually goes to

1011
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Speaker 7: war with like the American corn lobby, if he's the

1012
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Speaker 7: one who does this and like gets the blow up

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Speaker 7: from it, I don't know. Like this this genuinely would

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Speaker 7: be a seismic restructuring agriculture in the United States.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, yeah, I still use the corn. A load

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Speaker 1: of corn goes to feed things that them become feed, right.

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Speaker 7: But still like, like we produced so much corn, we

1018
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 7: had to make more corn things like, yeah, every year

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00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 7: they invent a new thing to do with corn. Disastrous.

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Speaker 1: God, I am really gonna miss Red number forty. It

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Speaker 1: was my favorite. Whenever I was feeling down, I just

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Speaker 1: old friend and go yeah tragic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also going to be very hard for the

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Speaker 3: people who've made that whole identity buying Mexican coke and

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Speaker 3: glass bottles. We should pull one out for them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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