1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of I 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Ahoy, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: your captain. There's Chuck, your other captain, and your third captain, Jerry, 4 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: all of us equal captains here. Uh is out there 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: hovering around silently like the creepiest captain of all, even 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: creepier than Captain Stubbing. Um. Yeah, and that of course 7 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: makes this stuff you should know. I always loved it 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: when Captain Stubbing would have the rare love storyline. Yeah 9 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 1: now and then, yes, so good. He's usually just overseeing 10 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: the love of others, you know exactly. He was a 11 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: father figure, so that's why it was off putting when 12 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: he had his own love thing. Yeah, but he wants 13 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: to see Captain Stubbing, you know, go all the way. 14 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: Uh we should mention. And I wish I knew her name. 15 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: But for many, many years, one of our young listeners 16 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: asked us to do Titanic at every turn. And uh, 17 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: I imagine that that young girl is now a grown woman, 18 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: probably who doesn't listen anymore, but who knows who knows? Also, Chuck, 19 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: I think most recently was requested by our Scottish correspondent Noah. Oh, 20 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: don't you remember when he said hi last time? Sure, 21 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: I don't remember the Titanic part, but Noah. You know, 22 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: I'm happy for Noah to take the place of this 23 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: young girl who left us yesterday's news which I can't 24 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: prove used us up and just threw us away. Chuck. Yeah, 25 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: I think we resisted for so long because the movie 26 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: is so linked to this event. In the movie, despite 27 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: its faults, did a really pretty accurate job of and 28 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: I know that was important to James Cameron, of kind 29 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: of really telling the accurate story of exactly what happened. 30 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: So we're like my bother. Yeah, there's actually um From 31 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: the filming of that movie, they may have settled at 32 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: least one major mystery as to what happened when it sank. 33 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: The no the what happened to the Grand Staircase, which 34 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: they found when they finally discovered the Titanic later on 35 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: uh in the eighties, was just totally missing. It was 36 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: now like a seven story vertical basically an elevator shaft, 37 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: a huge hole, and none of the staircase remained. And 38 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: when they filmed that movie The Titanic, the Grand Staircase 39 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: detached and started to float away, and James Cameron was like, 40 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: I'll bet you that's exactly what happened to the real Titanic. 41 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,399 Speaker 1: And I have a feeling that Jewel the Sea isn't 42 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,839 Speaker 1: even right. What was it called? Had a name Jim 43 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 1: of the there's so many angry people right now of 44 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: the gam of the on it. I think it was 45 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: the Heart of the Sea, the Heart of the Ocean, 46 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: something like that, The Jewel of the Wind. Did you 47 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: like the movie? Yeah? It was fine. Um, you remember 48 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson's Bible where he cut out all the magic 49 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: momo jumbo and just had like the morality of the 50 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: whole thing. If you could go through and cut out 51 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: like the love story of that movie, I would probably 52 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: like it much more. Well, I kind of disagree there, 53 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: because you gotta pain it around something. Whoa, You gotta 54 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: frame it around some kind of a story of people. 55 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: Are you just saying you would have done another person story? Yeah? 56 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: Why not just throw Captain Stooping in there and have 57 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: him have the love story? I thought the love story 58 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: was good. I just think Jim Cameron is I think 59 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: he can be a little ham fisted with his screenwriting sometimes. Yeah, 60 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: And there was some stuff like that. I remember even 61 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: at the time, like Billy Zane, you know, little pithy mom. 62 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: It's like, you know that Picasso, who's ever heard of him? 63 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: That will be never be worth a thing like or 64 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: something like that. I remember the time being like, come on, man, 65 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: Billy Zane does what he's told on set ze. So yeah, 66 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: there was another one. I had forgotten about this line, 67 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: but somebody else was basically saying the same thing that 68 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: you are about that movie, or James Cameron. James Cameron's 69 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: writing that when Leo was, you know, running with Kate 70 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: Winslet through um first class and there's band. The band 71 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: is playing and he stops for a second and goes 72 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: music to drown two. Now I know I'm in first class. 73 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, the whole thing is just rife with that 74 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But overall, I mean just the fact 75 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: that like they went to the extremes that they did 76 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: too to try to try to get it as accurate 77 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: as possible and overlaid like a you know, a romantic 78 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: love story on it like it was. I mean, it 79 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: was a good It was a good movie in a 80 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: lot of ways, in so many more ways than it 81 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: was a add movie that it's just overall a really 82 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: good movie. Yeah. I think the most brilliant decision in 83 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: that movie was to have that beginning bit where it's 84 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: a little ham fisted, but the part where Bill Paxton 85 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: and the c Nerds go over exactly how it sank. 86 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: Uh that, Like, I don't think a lot of people 87 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: understood that, and understanding that as you're watching the movie 88 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: is pretty critical. So I think that was pretty smart. Yes, indeed, 89 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: And one other thing about that movie. Will never mention 90 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: it again for the rest of these two episodes, I'm sure. Um, 91 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: but it costs about almost exactly half adjusted for inflation, 92 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: um to make the movie Titanic as it did to 93 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: make The Titanic. Oh wow, isn't that crazy? Yeah, And 94 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: we just did an episode of movie Crush basically there 95 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: there you go. That was a mini Crush. Although Nate 96 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: demo this was this was actually his pick our buddy, Nate, 97 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: He's Titanic. He did. That's awesome, Man, that doesn't surprise 98 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: me at all, Right, I mean he he would love 99 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: a movie like that that's set you know, like his 100 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: like really accurate historical fiction. That would totally be up 101 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: his his alley um. Okay, so we're talking believe it 102 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: or not, everybody. I don't know if you figured this 103 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: out yet, we're talking about the Titanic finally at long 104 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: last um and like we're saying, you know, we kind 105 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: of put this off because the movie had had just 106 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: become so widespread that we basically had to wait out 107 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: it's after effects. But I feel like we've kind of 108 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: finally kind of reached that um so, and like I've 109 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: been interested in the Titanic since I was just a 110 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: young kid. Yeah, when they found the Titanic in like, 111 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: I was at just the right age to to really 112 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: get sucked into that um and the I think the 113 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: Titanic was probably the first thing that introduced me to 114 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: like the just the fascinating creepiness of looking at things 115 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: they aren't supposed to be underwater, but now it's just 116 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: perfect for that kind of thing. Yeah, and it's still 117 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: really cool. Like I was looking at pictures today of 118 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: that stern sitting there underwater, and it's, uh, it's it's 119 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: still just like there's something about it that you can't 120 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: not look at it and just stare at it, I know, 121 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: And I'm like waiting for the day when things become uh, 122 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: when technology reaches to the point where we can just 123 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: explore every square into the Titanic on the bottom, I'm 124 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: really looking forward to that. But so, I knew a 125 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: lot about the Titanic to begin with, but just researching this, 126 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: it dawned on me, like, I mean, there's just so 127 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: much I didn't know that I found in in um 128 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: the time spent researching this. But it also dawned on 129 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: me that there is just so much more, Like some 130 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: people dedicate like this is their hobby, like learning and 131 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: talking and researching and reading and thinking about the Titanic. Yeah, 132 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: and you know this is this be a two part 133 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: episode and we're gonna do it stuff you should know 134 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: style and probably about ninety minutes. But I'm quite sure 135 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: there are podcasts out there fully dedicated to the Titanic 136 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: where it's like you know, and now episode twenty the Cutlery, 137 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: where people know, like like you're saying, people are obsessed 138 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: with it and they know all the details. We're gonna, 139 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure get some stuff kind of wrong because we're 140 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: not experts, but we're going to give it the old 141 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: stuff you should know treatment you know, Yeah for sure. 142 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: So yeah, So as as like I knew a lot 143 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: about the Titanic. There's plenty of people out there who 144 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: like dedicate themselves to it. Um. But just learning about this, 145 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: like it's just such a huge monumental thing. A lot 146 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: of people divide, like the nineteenth century the like the 147 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: old era um and the modern age upon the sinking 148 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: of the Titanic, Like that's how colossal a thing it's become. Um. 149 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: But at the time, I mean, it was actually not 150 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: that big of a deal. Like it was a maiden 151 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: voyage of the Titanic, but it's sister ship, the Olympic, 152 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: had already sailed, and that was actually kind of a 153 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: big thing. The Titanic wasn't even sold out, um when 154 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: it underwent its voyage. Actually, in retrospect, that was a 155 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: very good thing. But there's a lot to learn from 156 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: the Titanic just just researching it, even if you do 157 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: feel like you already know basically everything about it. Yeah, 158 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: I mean I learned a ton of stuff. Yeah, and 159 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: I saw that movie a bunch so Um. Like I said, 160 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: the Titanic had a sister ship, the Olympic, and it 161 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: also had another sister ship, which was originally dubbed the Gigantic, 162 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: but after the Titanic saying, they went back and renamed 163 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: the Gigantic the Britannic because I thought, I think maybe 164 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: they're they'd be like, well, we were we had enough 165 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: hubrists for to last a lifetime with the Titanic. But 166 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: these three ships came out of a dinner actually um 167 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: between a guy named j. Bruce is May, who was 168 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: the chairman of the White Star Line which owned those 169 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: three ships, and another guy what was his name, Peery, 170 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: Lord William Peery, and their their wives Florence who was 171 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: married to Bruce, and Margaret Montgomery originally Carlisle and that 172 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: you know that name will come back in just a second, 173 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 1: so just put a pin in her. So the um 174 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: this dinner was basically about how to compete with the 175 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: Kenard lines. The Cunard people um were eating White Stars 176 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: lunch to a degree because they had just released the 177 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: Mauritania and the Lusitania, and I think the Mauritaneous at 178 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: the speed record. Um, these things could make it across 179 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: the Atlantic in five days, which was very very fast 180 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: at the time, and White Star couldn't keep up. So 181 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: they decided from this dinner what if instead of trying 182 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: to make faster and faster ships, we just kind of 183 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: go with our thing and make them bigger and more luxurious, 184 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: so people want to spend that extra day. It took 185 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: White Star six days to make it across. People want 186 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: to spend that extra day because a ship is so 187 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: ridiculously luxurious that they choose ours instead. And not only 188 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: was this the birth of the Titanic in the Olympic 189 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: and the Britannic, it was basically the birth of the 190 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: cruise industry as we understand it today, just basically making 191 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: these huge floating luxury hotels that that kind of became 192 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: born from this dinner as well. Yeah, and so they said, 193 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: you know, we want to make them about one and 194 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: a half times the size of anything that Kunard is 195 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: putting out there. And they started sketching around a little bit, 196 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: and they sketched up a couple of masts and for 197 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: smoke stacks, and I think by the time they got 198 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: to the engineering phase, they said, by the way, we 199 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: really only need three of these, and they said, no, 200 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: we must have four. We want it to look symmetrical, 201 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: and we'll figure out something to do with that fourth one, 202 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: which they did became a ventilation system, which was pretty smart. 203 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: And initially Alexander Montgomery Carlisle was the head designer, who 204 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: was uh, Margaret Lord William Peary's wife's brother, so it 205 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: was his brother in law that was the initial designer, 206 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: and then that was eventually handed over to Peery's nephew, 207 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 1: Thomas Andrews And he was the guy played by Victor 208 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: Garber in the movie The Dude from Alias. The Dad 209 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: from Alias? Is it? Yeah? I mean I never saw Alias, 210 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: but I know that when you're on TV, that's what 211 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: you're most famous for. Yeah, isn't that weird? Yeah? Except 212 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: in our case? Right, so um so yeah. So Thomas 213 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: Andrews um would become the chief designer of the ship, 214 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: and he had an amazing job of it. But the 215 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: ship itself, the Titanic, was something like eight hundred and 216 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: eighty two ft long, which is a little longer than 217 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: the Transamerican Pyramid in San Francisco. Is the building in 218 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: San Francisco is tall? Imagine tipping that into the ocean. Yeah, 219 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: and then you have like and the Titanic was slightly 220 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: longer than that. It was also ninety two ft wide, 221 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: and it had a gross weight of forty five thousand tons. 222 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: It was just by far the biggest ship that had 223 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: ever been built. And so like the idea of bigness 224 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: and uh indestructibility kind of was was part of the 225 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: Titanics whole jam, like from the outset. Yeah, and there 226 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: was one sort of fateful mistake. And you know, Titanic 227 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: is one of those things where a lot of people 228 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: have in hindsight said, well, there was of course the iceberg, 229 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: but there were also this in this, in this that 230 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: happened that could have led to, you know, it's ultimate demise. 231 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: And one of those things was the rivets on the Titanic. 232 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: There were three million wrought iron rivets that apparently, upon 233 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: further examination, contained about three times the amount of slag 234 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: residue as was allowable. And I think the result of 235 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: that was when they're exposed to cold, they become more brittle. 236 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: And so some people have posited that those you know, 237 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: it was a well built ship for the most part, 238 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: but those rivets could have been weaker than they should 239 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: have been when push came to shove. Yeah, And I mean, 240 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: if your rivets are the weak link in the chain, 241 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: that's trouble right there. But yeah, not all of them 242 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: were wrought iron, but enough of them were. And I 243 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: also saw that they were double riveted, and they probably 244 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: should have been triple riveted from what from what I 245 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: saw in some engineering blog rivet exactly. Everybody knows that, 246 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: sure so um So. They also had two engines on 247 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: board UM that were just enormous. Each one was about 248 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: three thirty ft tall, and they were capable of producing 249 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: thirty thousand horsepower, which is about the same energy produced 250 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: by ten diesel locomotives. Just these two engines UM, and 251 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: they could push the ship pretty fast, something like um 252 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: I think twenty two knots was the top speed it 253 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: hit it. And like I said, the Mauritania had set 254 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: the speed record at something like twenty three point nine 255 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: I think, as far as the record goes, and it 256 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: lasted until so the Titanic wasn't setting speed records or 257 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: anything like that, but it was still going awfully fast, 258 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: especially considering the size it was. But it was thanks 259 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: to those huge engines, and they're the enormous propellers that 260 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: they outfitted the ship with two oh man, those like 261 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: if you're at home and you can access photographs safely, 262 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: I strongly encourage you to look up some of these pictures. 263 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: Just the pictures of the propellers are amazing. There are 264 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: two three blade propellers that were about twenty three and 265 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: a half feet in diameter, and then one four blade 266 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: propeller that was about seventeen feet in diameter, And just 267 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: seeing a photograph of these things is unbelievable to behold, 268 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: Like how big these things are. Yeah, again, just bigness. 269 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: It was just a common theme, you know. UM. One 270 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: of the other things that the Titanic had that was 271 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: pretty innovative was that so underwater in the hole, what 272 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: would be beneath the sea surface, UM, as far as 273 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: the boat was concerned. UM, where sixteen bulkhead compartments that 274 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: had all sorts of things like one held the coal 275 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: or I think multiple won't tell all the coal that 276 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: the Titanic consumed something like six hundred tons a day 277 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: to get that thing to move, um. And then there 278 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: were just all sorts of other just just like rooms 279 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: that were beneath sea level. And each of these rooms 280 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: had an automatic door UM that would shut it off 281 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: its seal. It They were water tight, so if any 282 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: of these compartments caught water, started taking on water, it 283 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: could fill up and as long as that door was shut, um, 284 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: the Titanic would just be able to keep on keeping 285 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: on basically. So that was a real, um, a real 286 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: innovation that combined with its big us and and um 287 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: just the amount of steel that was put into it 288 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: combined to kind of create this idea that the Titanic 289 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: was unsinkable. That's where that comes from, largely from those compartments. Yeah. 290 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: I think they said two of the four could flood, 291 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: and they said, really, up to four of these could flood, 292 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: but no more than four. Yeah, put a put a 293 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: pin in that one. Uh. And on that coal, there 294 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: were twenty nine steam boilers. And if you're thinking like 295 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: how much coal, you said, six pounds or I'm sorry, 296 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: six hundred tons a day a day. That was a 297 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two furnaces of two hundred men shoveling 298 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: coal basically NonStop. Yeah. There was actually a fire um 299 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: aboard the Titanic, Like the Titanic was on fire when 300 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: it was taking on passengers right, um. And it was 301 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: because those those coal deposits, one of them had caught fire. 302 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: And when you have coal that's on fire in that situation. Basically, 303 00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: the only way to put it out is to you 304 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: is that coal that's on fire. So not only were they, 305 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: you know, shoveling like under routine conditions, they were shoveling 306 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: even more coal than normal to keep the fire from spreading. Yeah, 307 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: and that's another one of those things that people have 308 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: Now some people experts have gone back and said the fire, 309 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: uh could have started up to three weeks before they 310 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: even set sale, and that it could have weakened um 311 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: some of those holds they found evidence of, like some 312 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: some burn marks and stuff like that where they said 313 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: it could have weakened some of that metal. And uh, 314 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: you know, it sounds very strange to have a fire 315 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: going for three weeks and say here we go, everybody 316 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: right exactly, but that was the deal. Plus it also 317 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: just gets across how enormous Titanic was that it could 318 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: have a fire and just be like whatever, it's all good, 319 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: We're we're the Titanic. But yeah, they discovered a picture 320 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: that shows some sort of like kind of stripe across 321 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: the whole of the ship that is about where the 322 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: iceberg hid it. And they said that's from that that 323 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: coal fire, we think, which is surprising still after all 324 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: this time. I think that's another reason why the Titanic 325 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: story is so engrossing is there's there's just so much 326 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: still that people are learning about it, even a hundred 327 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: and nine years on. Oh totally. Uh. You also have 328 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: to remember, when you build something this big, you also 329 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: have to build the things that help you build this thing, 330 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: because they didn't exist. So they had to get a 331 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: boat slip that could accommodate it. So they built the 332 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: this enormous white Star dock, and then something called the 333 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: Great Gantry, which was it sort of looks like a 334 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: big it's sort of like a skeleton of a big 335 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: airplane hangar. You should look at these pictures too, it's 336 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: pretty remarkable. But it was a series of tin cranes 337 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: basically that held this boat in place while it was 338 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: being built, to could lift the people up to work 339 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: on it, lift materials up to wherever they needed to go. 340 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: And it's it's actually something to behold in itself, like 341 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: seeing the Titanic sus ended like above the ground like that. Yeah, 342 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: And it took eleven thousand people to build this ship. 343 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: Eleven thousand people and they built it. They built the 344 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: actual ship itself, uh, and was launched into the water. 345 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: I think, although it was basically always in the water 346 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: because it was basically impossible to dry dock. Um. Well 347 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: that when it was in the hangar, I was sitting 348 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: up there. Okay, you're right, sorry, But it was actually 349 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: launching in the water then on May thirty one, nineteen eleven. 350 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: But it didn't have any interior, it didn't have its 351 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: engines yet. It was fully completed March thirty first, nineteen twelve, 352 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: and it began its maiden voyage and started taking on 353 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: passengers on April tenth, nineteen twelve. And I proposed, Chuck 354 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: that before we take on passengers, we take a break. 355 00:20:44,200 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: Let's do it all right? So um. One thing I 356 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: didn't realize about the Titanic was it's It had three 357 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: little stops before it left the UK for New York. 358 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: It started out in Southampton, uh, in England, moved on 359 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: to Cherbourg, France, and then went on to Queenstown, Ireland 360 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: before leaving for New York. Did you know that? I 361 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: didn't know that. That's right, it wasn't so. Um. The 362 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: Titanic costs about four hundred million dollars in two thousand 363 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: nineteen dollars to make, which to that's that's actually less 364 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: than Carnival Cruise Lines Splendor, which was launched in two 365 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: thousand and eight for like four hundred and fifty fifty million. 366 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,719 Speaker 1: It's actually for For as luxurious as it was, it 367 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: was a pretty pretty good bargain, to tell you the truth. Yeah, 368 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: And here's my deal with cruises. I think we've talked 369 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: about cruise ships before. I'm not a fan. I've been 370 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: on exactly one cruise and uh, just not a fan. 371 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: And a lot of it has to do with the decor, 372 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: like shopping mall carpet and bowling alley carpet and you know, 373 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: gold railings and things like that, but not like cool looking. Uh. 374 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: I think if they took a note from the and 375 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: maybe they are building cruise ships like this now, but 376 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: if they took a note from the Titanic and other 377 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: ships of the day today and had that really nice 378 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: wicker furniture and some you know, if not iron, some 379 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: stuff painted to look like iron, and not so much 380 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: of that shiny gold shopping mall garbage. Look, I think 381 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: I would be more into it, a little more classy, 382 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: refined thing. And I think it could go a long 383 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: way towards getting people like me on cruise ships. There's 384 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: some that are like that, like kind of some throwback 385 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: ones are there. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, but I get 386 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: what you mean that whole You know, all you had 387 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: to say was shopping mall. You kind of nailed it 388 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: right there. Like when you look at the Titanic, it 389 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: looks like something the Kellogg Brothers would have been keen on. Well, 390 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: it's funny you say that because we mentioned this in 391 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: the Kellogg Brothers episode, but they had equipment on board 392 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: the Titanic ins gym, and the gym happened to be 393 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: located on the boat deck, which was the same place 394 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: where the captain's bridge was. F y I in case 395 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: about the various decks, Yeah, I think we should. There 396 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: are a number of them actually, and they they lettered 397 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: them by letter appropriately enough. That's right. So there's that 398 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: boat deck, like you said, where the bridge, the gym, 399 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: and I think just sort of that nice lovely pine 400 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: open deck is. You had the promenade deck, which is 401 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: the first deck deck A and that had those two 402 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: first class staircases that you were talking about, had a lounge, 403 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: had a reading and writing room, had the all male 404 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: first class smoking room, all male places. Sure, they had 405 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 1: the he Man Woman Haters Club. Uh, there was a 406 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: Veranda cafe in Palm Court, which is really lovely if 407 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: you go look at pictures of this as well. Yeah 408 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: that that's that's up my alley as well. Yeah, the 409 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: Palm Court, it's nice, right. Yeah. I knew you'd love 410 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: it because I was like, look at all that wicker furniture. 411 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: Chuck's gonna go crazier for this. They would never allow 412 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: that in a mall. Uh, what's on deck B? Deck? 413 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: B friend, I thought you'dn't ever ask. Included the first 414 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: class cabins and suits, the restaurant Cafe Parisian, which was 415 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: this all male second class smoking room, third class poop deck, 416 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: which is where the third class people kind of strolled 417 00:24:55,400 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: around like gerbils um. And then they also kept some 418 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: of the larger cargo equipment on the poop deck for 419 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: the third class people that uses obstacles maybe to climb 420 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: over and stay fit. Yeah, they tried to hide most 421 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: of that stuff great care and making sure that it 422 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: looked just like a luxury kind of hotel and not 423 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: you know, And that's one of the reasons why they 424 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: didn't have as many lifeboats, but you know, we'll get 425 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: to that. So yeah, that was something that I also 426 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: didn't know about the Titanic is that the designers, um 427 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: and and builders really went to great lengths to make 428 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: it as luxurious as possible for everybody from first class 429 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: to third class, which is also called steerage. Um. You know, 430 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: just over the years it's been it's been it's been 431 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: made into such a class conflict, social stratification fable, because 432 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: it definitely was, but really it just kind of followed 433 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: the conventions of the day. But because of the conventions 434 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: of the day, a lot of people died who otherwise 435 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: might not have, which we'll talk about believe me. Um, 436 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: it's just really people have kind of glomped onto that, 437 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: and especially a hundred years later, it just seems so 438 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: bizarre and awful to us. But at the time, I mean, 439 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: this is just the way things were. But because of that, 440 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: you know, that whole idea that it was like, you know, 441 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: there's third class and there's first class. Um, the the 442 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: you you just kind of missed the point that that 443 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: they were like even in third class, this was incredible 444 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: luxury compared to what they were used to for passages 445 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: like this, and it was because the designers purposefully made 446 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: it that way. Yeah, I mean they were mostly immigrants 447 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: coming to America for the first time. And uh, like 448 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: you said, it's it was appropriate luxury for third class. 449 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like the rooms weren't these big open 450 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: rooms with like thirty bunk beds and no door. They 451 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: were private rooms. They had doors on their rooms. I 452 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: think they were with their six people per room down there, 453 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: I saw four. I also saw six, Okay, not too 454 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: bad though. They had little wash basins in each room, 455 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: which was a really big deal in a big luxury 456 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: although I do think they had only two bathtubs for 457 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: third class to share among the seven hundred plus people, 458 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: one for men and one for women. And um, I 459 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:22,719 Speaker 1: saw that explained away as third class passengers probably thought 460 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: that you could develop respiratory illness by bathing too much, 461 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: so they probably wouldn't have had much of an issue 462 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: with that. It doesn't seem as bad as it it 463 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: does to us in retrospect. Yeah, I don't think I 464 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: would have taken a baths. I would have just spend 465 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: It's like I wouldn't take a poop on a bus trip. 466 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: I'm with you, man, I hope I'd never ever go 467 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: to jail for any extended period of time because I 468 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: would have a big problem with the pooping thing. You mean, 469 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: when it's just a little silver, silverything in the corner 470 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: with all the other people in there. Yes, I mean, like, yes, yeah, 471 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: I think that's a big problem. That would be a 472 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: problem for me. I think that would be a problem 473 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: for anybody. I feel bad, like I really feel that's 474 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: a terrible aspect I think of jail life. But yes, yes, yeah, 475 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: that's exactly right. All right, So where were we? Uh? Well, 476 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: ironically we were on the poop deck. Uh, dex C 477 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: was the shelter deck. Um. I don't think we said 478 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: Deck B was the bridge deck. But DEXI is the 479 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: shelter deck. Purser's office there, third class smoking room, second 480 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: class library, and lounge. You know, everything is very divided 481 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: by class. Everyone needs their smoking rooms because everybody smoked, right, 482 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Uh, saloon deck deck D. What are 483 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: you getting there? Uh? First class reception room and the 484 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: dining saloon um like they had Like when you showed 485 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: up for dinner, you would probably sit in the reception 486 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: room and maybe like have a drink while you're waiting 487 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: to be seated if you showed up a little early. 488 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: From what I saw agreed. From what I saw. The 489 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: dining saloon, the actual dining room UM was large enough 490 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: to see all of the first class passengers at once. 491 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: And I think the second class one was just enormous. 492 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: Second class, like it is almost never talked about. When 493 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: you just generally talk about the Titanic, it's always first 494 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: or third. But there's a huge second class um, a 495 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: huge space for second class. I think it's set a 496 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: couple of thousand people at once. Third Class I think 497 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: was enough to serve um the the third class passengers 498 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: over three sittings. I believe maybe even more than that, 499 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: maybe four. All right, that's a lot. It is still 500 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: a lot, but yeah, for first class you probably had 501 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: just one sitting. Uh. And I think when you mentioned 502 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: that could be uh. That restaurant was an ala carte restaurant, 503 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: So it's sort of like modern cruise upstairs, the big 504 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: dining room, but then there's also the pizza place and 505 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: the this and the that, and I think the little 506 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: a la carte restaurant was one of those it's like 507 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: the mall food court, except probably not as good. Uh. 508 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: Deck E was the second and third class cabins. It's 509 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: called the upper deck, and then the middle deck. Deck 510 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: F this is a little confusing, was the third class saloon, 511 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: the Turkish Bath, which um they not too long ago 512 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: got some really good photos of lurking there at the 513 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: bottom of the Atlantic. It's amazing. But the Turkish Bath 514 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: was kind of like what you call the spa aboard 515 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: a ship today. Yeah, maybe some of the well, actually, 516 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: I guess the Kellogg stuff was in the gym. Yeah, 517 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: I believe it was all in the gym because it 518 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: was like the shaky band and um oh, I can't 519 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: remember what else the I think the thing where where 520 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: they would loosen up the poop with the sun tan bed. 521 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly, but there were definitely multiple pieces 522 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: of Kellogg equipment and it wasn't the gym yet. So 523 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: then you've got the lower deck, the orlop deck. That's 524 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,239 Speaker 1: where they get a play squash if you wanted to. 525 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: They had a post office. There was a lot of 526 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, people love to send post when they're on 527 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: an ocean voyage. I know, but I was thinking about that. 528 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,479 Speaker 1: You just show up at the post office and they're like, okay, thanks, 529 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: we'll mail it when when we get to the same 530 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: place at the exact same time as you. Yeah, it 531 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: seems so dumb, but I think it's being postmarked by 532 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: the Titanic, which is you know what. Okay, you're like, uh, 533 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: there's someone working the post office is literally turns everyone 534 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: away when you just hang onto that and mail it 535 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: when we get there, A right, why yeah, probably better 536 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: off just dropping it's somewhere in New York. You're fine. Uh, 537 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: there's the carpentry shop, the plumbing shop, electrical workshops. You 538 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: gotta have all that stuff. Um. They had these enormous 539 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: refrigerated rooms that were cooled by these copper pipes, just 540 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: like miles and miles of copper pipes in each area. 541 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: Like you could you do a whole episode on just 542 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: the refrigeration of the Titanic and the cheeses and the 543 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: flowers and the wines and the foods that they had 544 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: to keep chilled. And they have extensive They did it 545 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: after the cutlery episode, probably so um. And so they 546 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: we talked about how luxurious it was, like it was 547 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: just as luxurious as anything was in the world at 548 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: the time. The Titanic um with all, but there was 549 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: also kind of like a uh airy kind of vibe 550 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: to the whole thing, Like the choices and colors and 551 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: wallpapers and plants and all of that in the wicker 552 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: furniture was all this kind of light and airy and cheery. 553 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: So it had a really nice feel to it. Um 554 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: from first to third across the board. Yeah, like Steerage 555 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: wasn't just a rat infested, gross place to be. That's 556 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: how it's always portrayed, you know, like basically a floating 557 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,239 Speaker 1: tenement is how I've always seen it portrayed. And I 558 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: think that's kind of how um James Cameron did portrayed 559 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: it too, which is I guess where I got my impression, 560 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: Like you, I mean, the only thing I remember, I 561 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: think they maybe showed them in their Leo and his 562 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: uh in Fabrizio and remember Fabrizio in their little in 563 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: their little room. And then of course there was the 564 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: the Irish jig that they danced down there when she 565 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: decided to you know, slum it with Steerage, and that 566 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: did look a little like a like a you know, 567 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: an old pub, and it was a brand new boat, right, 568 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, so, um, I think I 569 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: said earlier that the Titanic wasn't full when she set sail. Again, 570 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: this is her maiden voyage, which accounts for why J. 571 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: Bruces May, the chairman of the White Star Line, whose 572 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: father was the founder, I believe, and why Thomas Andrews, 573 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: the designer of the Titanic and Olympic and Britannic, we're 574 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: both aboard. It was just custom for the the those 575 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: p bowl who were in those positions to be aboard 576 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: a ship for its maiden voyage. But there wasn't it 577 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: wasn't sold out. There was room for something like thirty 578 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 1: two hundred and people. Yeah, there was only dred and 579 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: twenty nine people. So there was like more room for 580 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: more than a thousand passengers, basically because the the crew 581 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: was virtually full, Like the room for the crew was 582 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: virtually full, but it was the passengers that hadn't you know, 583 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: booked as much as it was expected. Should we take 584 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: another break? Oh boy? Yeah, alright, let's take another break 585 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about a couple more things here. Two 586 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: round out Part one of the Titanic. Right after this 587 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: all right. So, uh, this thing, I guess we're where 588 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: it sets sail, right, Yeah, I believe so basically, yeah, 589 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: at least from being launched in Belfast, right, Yeah. So 590 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,760 Speaker 1: it started out in Belhafast, went to Southampton on April three, 591 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: and then on the tenth it went and picked up 592 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: a few people in Southampton and then went to France 593 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: and then to Queenstown, Ireland to get some more people. 594 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: Like I said, I never knew like you that this 595 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: is what it was doing, operating basically like an uber chair. Yeah, 596 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: I guess. So have you ever done that? No? I 597 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 1: never have. I'm very very careful. Fall I did once 598 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: and someone they stopped and I was like, what's going on? 599 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: And someone got in. I was like, really, what's going on? 600 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,439 Speaker 1: I made a new friend. Oh that's nice. I thought 601 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: it was in the cash cab. I don't think he 602 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: stops to pick up other people. He just asked a 603 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: lot of questions. Yeah, that's true, all right, So it's 604 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: picked up all the folks at this point. Uh. In 605 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,800 Speaker 1: the end, and there are some discrepancy about the final 606 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: numbers because a lot of people sold their tickets, a 607 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: lot of people switch tickets, a lot of people can't 608 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: quite make it on time. In the case of Leonardo DiCaprio, 609 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: he he wins those tickets in a poker game right 610 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: before it launches. No way they could have accounted for him. No, 611 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: And actually, I mean that's not exactly that far off. Um, 612 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: and I suspect it's based loosely on the story of 613 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 1: UM Thomas Hart who was hired on as a fireman. 614 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: But UM went off and got really really drunk and 615 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: lost his boarding papers, UM while he was drunk, and 616 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,959 Speaker 1: they were stolen by somebody else because Thomas Hart showed 617 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: up and worked as far as anybody's anyone was concerned 618 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: as far as the logs went. But it just clearly 619 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: wasn't that Thomas Hart. Rum, he just missed it like that. Uh. 620 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: There was one one group of wealthy industrialists starting with 621 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: Henry Clay Frick, onto JP Morgan and then Jay Horace 622 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: Harding who transferred boarding papers for sweets B fifty two, 623 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: fifty four and fifty six. Well, ultimately we're taken on 624 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: by J Bruce is may It just turns out all 625 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 1: of them had a reason why they suddenly couldn't go 626 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: toward the last minute. Um, yeah, I think the unsinkable 627 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,919 Speaker 1: Bolly Brown's daughter. She was um. You know. Molly Brown 628 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: was portrayed by Kathy Baits. She was the hero of 629 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: Lifeboat six that really wanted to go and try and 630 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,399 Speaker 1: save people. I think her daughter was supposed to come, 631 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: but she was studying at the Sarbone so she did not. 632 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: So there's a big list of people. They called it 633 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 1: the just Mistic Club, and uh apparently in nineteen twelve, 634 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Journal put that numbers high, six thousand people 635 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: that were saved because they did not sail on the 636 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: Titanic obviously couldn't been that much. It's one of those 637 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: things I think we're like everyone was at you know, 638 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: the game where Michael Jordan's scored whatever points and you know, 639 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: it's one of those sort of things where history uh 640 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: fudges itself a little bit. But in the end they 641 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: put the number somewhere around thirteen hundred and twenty four 642 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: passengers and those eighty four officers, which is a very 643 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: high ratio of of crew members to passengers. Yeah, there 644 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: really is um there, and it's speaking of crew. In 645 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: addition to Thomas Hart, there were the Slade brothers who 646 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: um left Southampton after um passing muster uh one got 647 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: drunk and then came back and they wouldn't lower the 648 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: gang plank for them again, so they got left behind 649 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 1: go for them. But most of all, there was a 650 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 1: guy named Davey Blair who was an up and coming 651 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: officer for the White Star Line, and he was initially 652 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: assigned the second officer position, which is huge for an 653 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:10,320 Speaker 1: upcoming guy. He um he was at the last minute, 654 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: I think he sailed from Southampton to share Burg and 655 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,359 Speaker 1: then at Sharburg basically as somebody who was a more 656 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: senior officer than him was was given that position and 657 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: he was moved off to the Olympic and he was 658 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: really disappointed about this. There's like a surviving postcard um 659 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: that that expresses how how upset he was and saddened 660 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: that he kind of lost that big opportunity. But even 661 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 1: more important than that is Davy Blair was on there 662 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: long enough to be entrusted with the key to the 663 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: crow's nest locker, which held the binoculars for the pocular locker. 664 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: The binocular locker, Yeah, I mean, I think there's kind 665 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: of long been a myth that there were not binoculars 666 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,839 Speaker 1: on board, but there were, But yeah, he walked with 667 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 1: that key, and that key and that postcard sold at 668 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: auction for like a hundred and fifty grand or something, 669 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: didn't it as far as I know, Yeah, it's amazing. 670 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: But that's a big deal because later on they would 671 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: say that had they had binoculars in the crow'sness, they 672 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,800 Speaker 1: most definitely would have cited that icebergs in time to 673 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: maneuver away from them. That the lookouts said that later 674 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,320 Speaker 1: on at an inquiry. Yeah, and of course people debated 675 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: that as well. Um, it's hindsight is twenty but it 676 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: certainly wouldn't have hurt. Yeah, you know, no, definitely wouldn't have. So. Um. 677 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: I mentioned some wealthy industrialists that was mostly first class 678 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: passengers were all extraordinarily well above average wealthy people, like 679 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: even for wealthy people, they were above average wealthy. Um. 680 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 1: And that was reflected in the ticket prices that some 681 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 1: of them paid for passage on the Titanic. Dude, Yeah, 682 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,919 Speaker 1: big money in today dollars, anywhere from sixty six grand 683 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: to a dred and twenty grand for passage. Yeah. I 684 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: don't think that fully gets it across, because you're like, Okay, 685 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: I can see a billionaire selling something like that out. 686 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 1: You know, it's gaudy and gross. But what really drove 687 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 1: it home to me was at the time, um, so 688 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: they were paying up to forty dollars and their dollars 689 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: and at the time, the average American made eight hundred 690 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: dollars a year. Wow, and these guys showed out forty 691 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: hundred for a one way ticket. This was not round trip, 692 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 1: this was one way from the UK to Americas and 693 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:33,240 Speaker 1: that nuts. Uh. Third class steerage I think even costs 694 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 1: close to a thousand dollars and today dollars, which is 695 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,919 Speaker 1: a lot of money. I mean thirty five bucks back then, 696 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,840 Speaker 1: but um that that's not cheap, no, but it was 697 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 1: definitely a lot more affordable than a hundred nine dollars. 698 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,240 Speaker 1: That's right. So I guess we should talk a little 699 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 1: bit before we wrap up about um kind of the 700 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 1: controversy over the size of the ship. As we said 701 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 1: at the beginning, they wanted it to the biggest and 702 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: the best, all three of those sister ships, just to 703 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 1: be the biggest thing ever, to really rub it in 704 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 1: the Kunard lines face. And that presented some problems though, 705 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: one of which was the Board of Trade didn't know 706 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: how many lifeboats or at least hadn't acted on it 707 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: and said how many lifeboats you should have because in 708 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 1: merchant Shipping Act, Uh, they topped out at ten thousand 709 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: tons and said you need, uh, sixteen lifeboats if you're 710 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,760 Speaker 1: ten thousand tons. Titanic was thirty five thousand tons. Uh, 711 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: and they had sixteen lifeboats because that's just where the 712 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: Merchant Shipping Act ended. And they didn't like the you know, 713 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: the unsightliness of them, so they weren't going to add 714 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: any Uh. It does not mean because it was three 715 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: times a size they needed forty eight lifeboats. I think 716 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: in retrospect they said twenty six would have done it. 717 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: But as we'll get to you know, the whole accident, 718 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: that the speed at which it sank it may not 719 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,800 Speaker 1: have mattered anyway. But um, that was one of the 720 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,919 Speaker 1: big problems with its size. That was a very big problem. Yeah, 721 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: not adding enough lifeboats because they seemed unsightly. It's not 722 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,879 Speaker 1: a good move. Um. Another one is that the Titanic 723 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: um only had like six or seven hours of testing 724 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: before it's sailed, and that was mostly just to check 725 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,720 Speaker 1: its maneuverability. It was never sailed at full speed. Before 726 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: it set sail for America. UM, so the testing wasn't 727 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: very good. And then even even more important, as far 728 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,839 Speaker 1: as lifeboats go, they never fully um did like a 729 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: full drill to lower all the lifeboats to board. And 730 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why people died was not just 731 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: because there weren't that many lifeboats that was a huge, 732 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: huge issue, but also because there just wasn't a lot 733 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 1: of needed protocol in launching the lifeboats as far as 734 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,879 Speaker 1: the crew was concerned. A lot of them had had 735 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,879 Speaker 1: just had come aboard basically the day before they were 736 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 1: they were taking passengers and it didn't even have a 737 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 1: poster a position while they were passengers on that first day. Yeah, 738 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 1: I mean that's a It was basically an hr nightmare 739 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 1: with people showing up. As the passengers are showing up, 740 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,239 Speaker 1: going where do I go? What do you want me 741 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 1: to do? They're like, have you ever waited tables? Have 742 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,759 Speaker 1: you ever shoveled goal? And they were just kind of 743 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,439 Speaker 1: sticking people where they needed them, And like you said, 744 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,799 Speaker 1: I think they only were able to lower two of 745 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: those sixteen lifeboats. And in the end, what that also 746 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,440 Speaker 1: means is you don't know how long it's going to 747 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 1: take to lower them all. So it was just h 748 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: they were kind of just flying or sailing blind, right exactly. 749 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,920 Speaker 1: So those were just really really big problems that would 750 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,879 Speaker 1: turn out to be um extremely important when the ship 751 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,879 Speaker 1: started going down, because any one of those things being 752 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: slightly different or improved or not being a problem means 753 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: that people's lives definitely would have been saved. You can 754 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: debate like how many people would have been saved, but yeah, 755 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,719 Speaker 1: there were there was definitely room for more people to 756 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 1: have survived the Titanic than did. Yeah. There was also 757 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 1: a weird incident that happened on April tenth that possibly 758 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:17,320 Speaker 1: altered history. The Titanic was being pulled out by tug boats. Uh, 759 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 1: and it I think, as the story goes, the captain 760 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,160 Speaker 1: kind of a little too early said go ahead and 761 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,359 Speaker 1: release us, and we'll just fire this baby up. It's 762 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,840 Speaker 1: really itching to get those propellers spinning. And he said, 763 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,920 Speaker 1: and give me a two two while you're at it. 764 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,279 Speaker 1: And uh, when he started turning those propellers, it was 765 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,239 Speaker 1: a big, violent suction and it sucked this other steamer, Uh, 766 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,360 Speaker 1: the s s New York into its wake. Uh. It 767 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: was attached to the Oceanic and it started pulling this 768 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 1: boat over to it. I think it snapped away from 769 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 1: the Oceanic. It kind of ripped off the moorings. And 770 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 1: if it weren't for quick action by tug boats reattaching 771 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 1: pulling the New York away, and then the captain realizing 772 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,400 Speaker 1: what was going on and hitting the engine hard and 773 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: turning out of the way like there. It shows pictures 774 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,800 Speaker 1: that they miss hitting each other by just a few feet. 775 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: And not only would that if it had actually hit it, 776 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: that would have caused a delay that could have altered history. 777 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 1: But there was a slight delay anyway, just because of 778 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 1: this incident that you know, who knows if those you know, 779 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,359 Speaker 1: events would have lined up with that iceberg in there 780 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 1: at the exact moment it needed to be. Yeah, that's 781 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,440 Speaker 1: an amazing point, Chuck, I hadn't seen that one. So 782 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:39,879 Speaker 1: they they leave Queenstown, Ireland on April elevenelve, I believe right, yes, 783 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 1: and start heading out to see full speed ahead. Uh, 784 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,520 Speaker 1: and we will stop here. What do you think? Boy? 785 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: What a cliffhanger? What's going to happen? I don't know. 786 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 1: We'll find out in the next episode of Stuff. You 787 00:46:54,680 --> 00:47:00,120 Speaker 1: should know Stuff you should know is a production I 788 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,440 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. For more podcasts My heart Radio, visit the 789 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 1: i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 790 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: to your favorite shows. H m hm