1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: one thirty two. It is a hearing that everyone will 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: be watching. O J. Simpson will get his shot at freedom. 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: He scheduled to have a prole hearing on Thursday, Nevada. 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: So you former football star is sitting right now in 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: a state prison for robbery in Las Vegas. No, I 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: wasn't dead to hurt anybody. I just wanted my personal things. 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: And I realized and I was stupid. Count one conspiracy 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: to commit a crime guilty, Count to conspiracity met kidnapping guilty. 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: Count three conspiracy meant robbery guilty. I am sorry. I 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: didn't mean to steal any thing from anybody, and I 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: didn't know I was doing anything illegal. The countdown has started. 13 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: Notorious football star Orenthal James Simpson, known as O J 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: O J. Simpson the Juice, is set to walk free 15 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: out of a correctional institute where he was placed after 16 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: being found guilty of being part of an armed robbery. 17 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: He didn't just straight up to the judge, looked the 18 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: judge in the eye, and lied, saying he was simply 19 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: trying to reclaim family heirlooms and had no idea that 20 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: all of his flunkeys had guns. I'm surprised he didn't 21 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: get more time. The reality is Simpson is set to 22 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: walk free. The parole hearing going down in less than 23 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: seventy two hours. That clock ticking at crime online dot com. 24 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for 25 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: being with us. What a travesty. I will never forget 26 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: the day that O. J. Simpson walked free on a 27 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: double murder. His wife found in a pool of blood, 28 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: her head nearly chopped off. A young man no connection 29 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: to either of them, a waiter at a restaurant she 30 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: had been at that night, returned with some glasses to 31 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: her home, dead in the prime of his life. How 32 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: a jury setting free nobody really knows. But the reality 33 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: is we knew him do something again, and he did 34 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: and armed robbery once again, believing he was above the law. 35 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: But now he's set to walk free. As you know, 36 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,279 Speaker 1: some some found guilty of two thousand eight of armed robbery, kidnapping, 37 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: and other charges stemming from an angry and armed confrontation 38 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: at a sports memorabilia dealer in Vegas. It was in 39 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: the casino hotel room, you know, with me right now 40 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: is Art Harris, veteran investigative journalist. He's been on TV, started, 41 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: I believe, at the Washington Post and more important for 42 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: right Now covered the O. J. Simpson murder trial. Also 43 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: with me, thanks psychologists out of New York Karen Stark, 44 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: and we are taking your calls here on serious x M. 45 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: You know what's amazing, aren't Harris, is that his stint 46 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: behind bars has been compared to basically a cruise ship 47 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: with barbed wire club met in the Nevada desert. Yeah, 48 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: that's a good way to put a cruise ship with 49 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: barbed wire. A club med in the Nevada desert is 50 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: how one correctional officer described the prisoner. Simpson has been 51 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: now for several years, but he's heading to the Nevada 52 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: border parole and could be released. M M m M. 53 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: Inmates in Nevada have is saying that love law is 54 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: easy time. Why do you say it's a club med 55 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: in the middle of the desert. Let's start with that, 56 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: arn't Harris? Well, Nancy, you know the reports say he's 57 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: had access to a gym, softball field, volleyball accords, got 58 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: ping pong and uh, you know he has access to 59 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: movie night cable TV. And he's treated like a god. 60 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,119 Speaker 1: And this is a movie night, movie night, movie night. 61 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: You my children, you know my children aren't They asked 62 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: me if they could have a ping pong table, and 63 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: I said no, that it costs too much. But did 64 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: I know O J. Simpson has the ping pong table? 65 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: And from what I've heard, what I've been told, he 66 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: even has a butler, somebody that does his prison chores. 67 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: Well he can pay them to. You know, he's been 68 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: he's been building up all that NFL pension money has 69 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: been going in into a saving's account and nobody can 70 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: touch it, not even the gold ones. Rub it in, 71 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: rub it in? What our Harris, is your most vivid 72 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: memory well of the debacle trial of O. J. Simpson. 73 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: You know when I was, you know, at the scene. 74 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: You know, he had the Tower of Babel, the fifty 75 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: foot tall skyscraper of reporters. Uh and when he got 76 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: acquitted Nancy, we had to fight our way through the 77 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: crowds to climb up those ladders and go on TV 78 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: and talk about I was sitting next to uh Dominic Dunn, 79 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: our mutual friend, and he was so appalled that someone 80 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: called him an anarchist because you know, his daughter was murdered. 81 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: So he ripped off his microphone and stalked off the 82 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: set and while the crowd below we're screaming O J 83 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: O J. And it was it was truly a jubilant 84 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: day for o J fans and uh people were in 85 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: shock across the country. So I guess my my sense 86 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: of sitting up there and watching the see of of 87 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: injustice celebrated, uh is a pretty uh amazing thing to 88 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: think about. And here's a guy who who got off 89 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: by reaching out to those he left long ago to 90 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: save him. Um, but that that trial was pretty much 91 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: determined when gil Garcetti picked downtown Los Angeles as the venue, 92 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: because then he could be tried not by a jury 93 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: of his peers, but by those he had left behind 94 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: who had felt abused by the L A p D. 95 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: And this was a you know many thought of get 96 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: even verdict. Well, I mean another thing about it with 97 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: me famed psychologists out of New York in addition to 98 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: veteran investigative reporter Aunt Harris Karen start another thing is 99 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: this when you think you know somebody like legions of fans, 100 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: I thought they knew O. J. Simpson. Remember the commercial. 101 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: I guess it was for Avis rent a car. I'm 102 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: not I can't really remember exactly what it was. Sorry, Sorry, 103 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: it hurts. At least I knew it was a rental car. 104 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: So he's running through the airport and I think he's 105 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: got like something in his hands, maybe a bag or 106 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,559 Speaker 1: some a suit or something, and he's trying to I guess, 107 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: make a flight. Then he did the movies, and he 108 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: was beyond football. It wasn't just a football star. I mean, 109 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: many people thought, Karen start that he was attractive. I didn't, 110 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: of course. I never think of defendant is attractive physically 111 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: because I know about them. Okay, um, but attractive to 112 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: many people athletic, the world at his fingertips, rich, successful, 113 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: well known, charismatic, and people you know, thought they knew 114 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: him because he had been in their homes on the 115 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: TV set. It's hard to get past that when you think, oh, 116 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: I just don't think Simpson would do it. You know 117 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: what I mean, Karen? Okay, when people see people on 118 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: television through the media, they make them median impressions about 119 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: how they feel about these They sort of feel they 120 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: are their personal friends, so they have extreme caring, like 121 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: in the case of Jennifer Roundistan or they have tremendous 122 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: hatred with Angelina Joliefer being a homebreaker. And in the 123 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: case of v J, he was seen as an all 124 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: American hero. Everybody looked up to him. He was one 125 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: of the first black men to be seen as someone 126 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: that had made it and was terrific, and so they 127 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: were very happy to know that he got off. Karen, 128 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: you just hit on something I think is critically important, 129 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: and that is your phraseology of all American, all American. 130 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: Aren't Harris that really describes it, now, you know, Aren't. 131 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: I went on from the District Attorney's office to to 132 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: anchor a show with his lead defense attorney, Johnny Cochrane, 133 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: as you well know, and I was furious Art. As 134 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: I told you at the time, I blamed Cochrane forgetting 135 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: Simpson off right or wrong, and I would sit on 136 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: that set. I would sit there and just seethe. And 137 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: it took me a long time to accept that Cochrane 138 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: was doing his job as a defense lawyer. He didn't 139 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: do the double murder, but I would always say, Cochrane, 140 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: you know he did it. This would be off camera 141 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: of course, and he never once God rest his soul, 142 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: say he was innocent. I'll tell you really did it, 143 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: or he was innocent. I'll tell you why. Every time 144 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: art he would say, jury acquitted him. That's all I 145 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: was saying. And they were brilliant at throwing spaghetti against 146 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: the wall to see what would stick Nancy. And they 147 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: created a reasonable down, so much smoke screen in the 148 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: mind of jurors who may not have believed that he 149 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: was innocent, but they had something to seize on, They 150 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: had some excuse, they had something to waive and say, well, 151 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: this could be true, or that could be true. But 152 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: you know what, Uh, he might not have made it 153 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: through those lights near his house. I mean there were 154 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: so many things, you know, the blood, the contamination that 155 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: were red herring thrown out there that a jury that 156 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: was not that astute. You know, they ruled out anyone 157 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: with high school math or science so they could confuse 158 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: them with the DNA put them to sleep. I was there, 159 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: you know, through the whole trial, and the jurors were 160 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: falling asleep listening to the experts grown on about the 161 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: odds of the DNA. And you know, we'll see that 162 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: is when they the lawyer has to jump in and 163 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: stop the expert and say, bottom line and are you 164 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: and I were in court together a couple of times, 165 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: and it's your duty to break in and say, hey, 166 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: what wait, you know, we're just regular people. You gotta 167 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: break it down for us. Don't don't talk like a scientist. 168 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: What are you saying? And I recall distinctly that I 169 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: would go to the medical Examiner's office repeatedly and work 170 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: with the medical examiner who were brilliant and get them 171 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: to talk and regular people talk, you know what I mean? 172 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm going to go to the lines. Art 173 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: Susan in New York high Susan, what's your question? Great? 174 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: I love? How are you, Susan? I'm great? And can 175 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: I tell you why I'm great? Because I think there's 176 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: a very good chance that Simpson may stay behind bars 177 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: and ps. My twins are now nine years old. My son, Susan, 178 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: you know, I thought I followed them when you send pitches. 179 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: I always loved them. You're such a good mother. Oh 180 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: I wish, I wish I was a better mom. And 181 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: you know what, Susan, John David my son. Okay, they're 182 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: in a phase and Art You're gonna love this, Karen Stark, 183 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: You're gonna love this because you guys know them too. 184 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: John David is in a phase where he's wearing all 185 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: of his clothes inside out and backwards. And Lucy Lucy's 186 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: trying to play a U kalleile? Are you kalleile? She 187 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: saw some girl on YouTube with one and that was 188 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: just it. So that's what's happening with me. And another thing, 189 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: speaking of the twins, Susan and you work, think about 190 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: Simpson's children, how they grew up without a mother, right, 191 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: so sad, tragic and with and with their father. What's 192 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: your question, Susan in New York? How how can we 193 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: prevent him from getting out? And I hope oh j 194 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: Sta Beard, Well, I can tell you this much. He's 195 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: a threat to whoever he shacks up with next. Um. 196 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: You know what, I don't know if anything can be done. 197 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: People have written, people have emailed, people have left messages 198 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: with the parole board. But the reality is does any 199 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: of that work? I mean, come on aart Harris Let's 200 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: address Susan's question. The reality is we have, for instance, 201 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 1: Charles Manson and all of his followers. They haven't gotten 202 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: out that many of them have not gotten out because 203 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: of pressure, and do you think that's true in this case? 204 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: Art Harris Nanthy. What's funny is if you notice all 205 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: the documentaries, the ten part series that one UH an 206 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: Emmy about o J and the trial and all the players. 207 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: America steems to be starved for this celebrity. They have 208 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: gone O had OJ withdrawal for nine years and suddenly 209 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: the chance that he's getting out and you didn't, Nancy, 210 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: But I'm saying that just the it's like, there's this 211 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: this cry in the in the colosseum, you know, we 212 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: gotta have it is it is quite surreal. Um, it 213 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with justice, are you talking about? 214 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: Like when the throng called for uh and they let 215 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: that's a great That is a great comparison. Nancy, don't 216 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: even get off with me about dragging him into this. 217 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: But but I don't want him in this part. So 218 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: how do you stop that? You know, Uh, it's got 219 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: to be somebody pulling out something he did. And we've 220 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: read that a guard actually got him off. Well, there 221 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: was something he was written up for taking a cookie 222 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: that was stolen. You knew that, and there was a 223 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: guard who wrote him up. Yes, he stole, he stole 224 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: STI look, you know he can he can buy whatever 225 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: he wants. Do I still have Susan in New York. Susan, 226 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: listen to this. I was reading about this and it 227 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: sounds like a little thing. I know it sounds like 228 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: a little thing, but it is indicative of what he's 229 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: all about. This guy has basically unlimited funds, unlimited. He's 230 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 1: behind bars. He can buy whatever he wants to buy. 231 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: And the canteen and the commissary and what did he do? 232 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: He stole He stole cookies and they caught him. I 233 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: feel bad for the most besides his children, it's the 234 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 1: Goldman family because they're never going to bring back his 235 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: fat boy, their son. And I don't think that he 236 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: should ever come out of jail again for what he 237 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: did for all of those people. He ruined so many lives. 238 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: He's a snake in the grass. He shouldn't come out. 239 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: I agree with you, Susan, and I can only hope 240 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: the parole board hears us today because there will be 241 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: a hue and cry like no other if this guy 242 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: walk box. So what I'm saying, aren't here as you 243 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: brought up the cookie thing. It's not about the cookie. 244 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: I don't give a flying fig about a cookie. The 245 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: point is, with all the money he has at his fingertips, 246 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: he could buy whatever they have in the commissary. But 247 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: instead he stole. He stole the rules main nothing to 248 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: him art and he was written up by the guard, Nancy, 249 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: And the guard was persuaded by another guard to tear 250 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: up her her piece of paper that cited him for 251 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: this infraction that could have cost him parole. So it's 252 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: not in the record now, Nancy. So there's no record 253 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: of this little item. And he's getting credit for helping inmates, 254 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: for teaching people, for coaching a ball you know, the 255 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: softball team. Whatever he did behind the bars, he had 256 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: a hole. He was he you know, he was an 257 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: idol behind bars. So as a result, uh, you know 258 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: he in fact, he said to the parole board last time, 259 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: you know, I feel respected by most of the inmates here. 260 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: That's that's his whole thing. He wants respect. He mean, Susan, 261 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: I'm with you. It just turns my stomach because let 262 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: me tell you, go to our website, Susan, because if 263 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: you've got the stomach for it, Because the crime scene 264 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: photos are there, and do I like them? No? I don't. 265 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: But are they true? Yes? They are? And I've tried 266 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: many a case where I don't like the evidency. Evidence 267 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: made me sick, It made me cry and have horrible nightmares. Horrible, 268 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: but it is the truth and we cannot turn away 269 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: from it, and hopefully the hopefully the parole board we'll see. 270 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, Susan in New York, thank you 271 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: for calling us straight out to Dana in Vegas. Hi, Dana, 272 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: Hi Nancy, how are you? I am fit to be tied. 273 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: I could chew and nail in half over Simpson about 274 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: to be paroled and right there in your backyard. What 275 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: do you think? I know? I know. I hope he 276 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: doesn't get out. He's a horrible, horrible, evil man, and 277 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: I hope he stays in for what he did. None 278 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: of us are biggs want him out. You know. The 279 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: thing is this, This is my fear. Oh ps. I 280 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: just took the twins to Las Vegas. Not to gamble, 281 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: of course, yes I did. But we went to the 282 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: Hoover Dam. We had an awesome time. We got in 283 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: one of those helicopters and I took my mom and 284 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: the twins down into the Grand King and we had 285 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: the best time. And of course I had to take 286 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: John David to see David Copperfield, which was awesome. By 287 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: the way. We had the best time. And so I've 288 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: got great, great memories of veg. I'm so glad. This 289 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: is what I'm worried about. And I'm gonna go to 290 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: you on this art, Harris. The parole board, I guess 291 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: under the law has to look at the armed robbery, 292 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: not the double murder art exactly. And and so did 293 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: he pay for his crime? Did he do his time? Uh? 294 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: And did he do it without a blemish? And the 295 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: record will show that he was pretty uh Mark, you know, 296 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: black Mark free behind bars. And of course he had 297 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: a few friends looking out for him, including a guard 298 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: who got another guard to tear up an infraction. But 299 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: he had the the inmates, as you said, you know, 300 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: fetching and doing things for him. Uh. And he was respected. 301 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: He was like a hero behind bars, Nancy. So he's 302 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: been living in this bubble while people on the outside, 303 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: like you, were seething, and his fans, I wonder maybe 304 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: they're expecting him to still be looking for the killer. 305 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: But the if you if you look at the pictures 306 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: you have on your website of the crime scene, I 307 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: wonder if you look really close, you'll see his imprints, 308 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: his shoeprints in the blood. Remember the Bruno Maglis that 309 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: were proved to be his and that were tracked to 310 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: the shoes he bought. I mean, so everywhere you look, 311 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: Nancy was a reminder that the evidence makes him guilty. 312 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: How can you avoid the fact that d n A 313 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: points to o J. It's his blood at the crime scene, 314 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: It's in the Bronco, was everywhere. And they were able 315 00:17:55,480 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: to somehow, using the jury and using the prejudice us 316 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: and the anger at the l A p D to 317 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: get between o J. Freedom and justice, and they were 318 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: able to show the jury with enough reasonable doubt, hey 319 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: this is you've got enough here to let him walk. 320 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: And that's what happened. And now then he goes and 321 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: he messes up, and you know, he holds up some 322 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: some guy with with his goons with guns to get 323 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: his quote autograph balls back that he says are his, 324 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: and and he gets nine years and some say well 325 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: that was payback, and lined about it and lied about 326 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 1: stood up in front of the judge and said he 327 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: was trying to get family heirlooms. That's a lie. And 328 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: he also said he didn't know the other people were armed. 329 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: So Dana in Vegas, I just wonder if we can 330 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: count on this parole board to do the right thing 331 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: and keep him behind bars. Another thing, his girlfriend a 332 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: thirteen years Christie Prody, was very explicit, even as her 333 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: family members question why would she even date him. She 334 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: has come forward and stated she feared for her life 335 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: while she was dating him and that she firmly believes O. J. 336 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: Simpson murdered Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman and it's based 337 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: on comments he made to her during their relationship. To Oxygen, 338 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: the new network for Crying My Name is Kelly Signer. 339 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: I was a prosecutor for over twenty years from the 340 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: creator of Law and Order comes to hit true crime 341 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: series Called Justice. There are so many cold cases out 342 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: there that still need to be solved. Every Saturday followed Kelly, 343 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: and she takes real cases from cold to close. But 344 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: you will always see on Called Justice is real to 345 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: get the guilty person put away. There's not a better 346 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: feeling in the whole world if you're a law enforceman. 347 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: Called Justice returns to July eight seven Central and Oxygen 348 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: the new network for crime. Karen Stark, he moved from 349 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: his advancing community that most people can only dream of 350 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: where the double murder went down. Then he moves in 351 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: with the Christine Christie Broke Prody, who says that Simpson 352 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: subjected her to constant physical and emotional abuse. He threatened 353 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: to kill her. Of course, he has denied it, and 354 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: things he told her. Things he told her made her 355 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:28,719 Speaker 1: convinced he murdered Nicole and Ron. What about that, Karen Stark, Well, Nancy, 356 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: the court of public opinion, which certainly has decided at 357 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: this point for the most part, that he's guilty of 358 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: the crime, and not the least bit surprised people do 359 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: believe that he committed those crimes. Once you're an abuser, 360 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: you're always an abuser. I actually interviewed women in l 361 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: A wondering if they would go out with him once 362 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: he got out, and they were blinded by the celebrity, 363 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: and one who looked a little bit like Nicole who's 364 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: blind told me, well, I don't think he'd kill me. 365 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: This is the the stardust in the eyes of someone 366 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: like a Simpson who is so much as you know, 367 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: celebrity halo around him, which is so tarnished, but it's 368 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: still enough. There's still enough pixie dust to to fool 369 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people a lot of the time, and 370 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: they don't have to look at it. And I hear 371 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: the great question that that Karen brought up, and that 372 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: is why didn't the murders matter to the parole board. 373 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: He's not in jail for that, you know, that was 374 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: that he got a pass for that in the eyes 375 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,479 Speaker 1: of the laws, you know, And so they've got to 376 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: only look at how he has been in prison, and 377 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: he's got a you know, uh, he got all a's 378 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: and he was bragging to the parole board. You know. 379 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: I helped a lot of a minute. So has Leslie 380 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: Van Houghton. So Charles Manson's followers, they have behaved behind 381 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: bars and they're still behind bars. So why can't Simpsons 382 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: stay behind bars? Aren't Karen? Stay with me? Back to 383 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: the lines, Karen in Kansas City, Karen, thank you for 384 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: calling into serious x M. What is your question, dear 385 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: Hi Seed, I've just loved you to death for years. 386 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: I can just save to begin with, I just loved 387 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: you for years. Thank you guys, no problem. My husband 388 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: and I used to watch you like religiously because we're 389 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: totally for justice. My question is is why is the 390 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: justice system so unbalanced my son. I have two sons. 391 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 1: They've been murdered. One guy gets a hundred and twenty 392 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: days for shooting him in the head because he says 393 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: it's an accident. September. Another one was euthanized in his sleep, 394 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: and they Springfield, Missouri police investigators won't even work it. 395 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: It's like they're keeping it so like isolated because it's 396 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: a college. So I've dealt with all this, and I 397 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,239 Speaker 1: just don't like criminals. And I think he needs to 398 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: stay in there for the rest of his life. And 399 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: I just hope they find who killed my son. And 400 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: I want to something. I gotta tell you something, Karen 401 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: in Kansas City. I hear you. I hear you. And 402 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: people think that after you're you become a crime victim, 403 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: which you are, that after time passes, it goes away. 404 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: That is not true. I know from the murder of 405 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: my fiancee. Of course, now I have a husband and 406 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: two wonderful children that have changed my life. I've been 407 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: so blessed, but I've never forgotten Keith or his murder, 408 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: and it has changed my whole life. It was devastating. 409 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: And when I think in this case, um, I'm going 410 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: to throw this to Aunt Harris, the children of O. J. Simpson, 411 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: how it must have devastated them. I wonder if they 412 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: ever actually accepted that their dad murdered their mom. What 413 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: do you think are how do you accept that? Oh? Uh? 414 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: You know, how can they possibly accept that? Because if 415 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: they do, then that means they have no one to 416 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: look up to, no one to look forward to seeing. Uh. 417 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: But deep down, Nancy, you have to know they do 418 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: know because of how their lives maybe have turned out 419 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: and how they've turned that. You know that I guess 420 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: loss into sort of a self hatred and uh, Karen 421 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: and psychologist would know better than me. But I remember 422 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: speaking of loss. You were the first one you I 423 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: think I was the first reporter you ever told about 424 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: about Keith, about your fiance. None of the Atlanta criminal 425 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: bar understood why you resisted them and fought them so 426 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: hard for the victims, and they until I guess they 427 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: realized they saw that story of mind where you, for 428 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: the first time, many years ago, talked about your loss 429 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: that you had been a victim too, and so that 430 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: was a reason that was a very good one that 431 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: they just I mean, they were trashing you for all 432 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: sorts of other reasons, but you felt it like this, 433 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: this this mother on the line who has felt the 434 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: fallout from personal tragedy, and the Goldman still feel And 435 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: unless the question was how do you get the pearl 436 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: board to change it, You've got to have enough of 437 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: these people who still suffer go before them and give 438 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: a litany of of if not proof, but of human 439 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: sorrow that this guy getting out would rub salt in 440 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: the wounds. And if that overshadows his quote to stellar 441 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: behavior behind bars, maybe, just maybe they would keep him 442 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: in for the full sentence. I don't know, Nancy, you 443 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: know pearl boards better than I, but well I know this, 444 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: and I know this what Karen in Kansas City just said. Really, 445 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: I want to say, hurt me in the sense that 446 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: I thought I had really suffered when Keith was murdered. 447 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: But the thought that you would lose your children, your child, 448 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: and she lost two of them. This is what happened 449 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: to Ron Goldman's parents. They lost their boy, their baby boy, 450 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: all grown up and handsome, wonderful, slaughtered, slaughtered, And I 451 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: just want to add when it comes to the children 452 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: that they're in a bind because it's their father. They 453 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: have a natural love for their father, and it's very 454 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: hard to accept that someone that you love that way 455 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: would actually kill you a month, very very hard. As 456 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, every time I've tried a case 457 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: of homicide where it's domestic homicide, the children were never 458 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: wanted to accept that the remaining parent committed murder. We 459 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: are taking calls. I want to go out to Dara 460 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: in Reading, Pennsylvania. Hi, Dara, thank you for calling. I 461 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: just wanted to say that I've seen an interview. It 462 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: was a short, probably less than a minute interview. O 463 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: J was sitting there and they said he's seventy years 464 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: old now, and he was talking into the camera and 465 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: he said, I've missed my children's graduation, I've missed my 466 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: you know, all these things that he's missed. And he says, 467 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: not anybody's going to contest my getting out, And he 468 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: just had that smirk on his face that just when 469 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 1: they mentioned the cookie incident, just like he had that 470 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: smirk on his face when he was trying the glove 471 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: on where he said, if it doesn't sit, you must 472 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: have quit that smirk that he has on his face, 473 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: and I think what he's doing like like I don't 474 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: know if it's a psychologist that you had on that 475 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: said that he's so narcissistic that And I think that's 476 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: what he's doing. He even though he can buy it, 477 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: he's doing it just to see if he can get 478 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: away with it. And I think that's exactly why he 479 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: did it. That's exactly why he did it. And I 480 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: just and the thing with the parole is just watching him, 481 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: just putting my personal feelings aside and just looking at 482 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: him how somebody that I don't that I wouldn't know, 483 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: like the parole board doesn't know him personally, and how 484 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: he would say about his children and being a parent, 485 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: saying well, and you think your children. And I think 486 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: it's going to depend on how sincere he comes across 487 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: is what they're going to rule on. I mean, granted 488 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: his crimes that he committed and got away with, but 489 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: I think that they just have to stay open minded 490 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: to this one case and that's what they have to 491 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: base their decision on. And they're gonna look even though 492 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: they may have heard about this cookie. They can't use 493 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: that because he was never wrote up for it. So 494 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: I think that's what he's going to two and with 495 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: them puppy dog eyes, and it'll feel bad for me 496 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 1: and and I just that's just my personal opinion. But 497 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't get out, but I have a 498 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: strong feeling he probably will. I hope the parole board 499 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: will see through that charade, that mask he's been wearing, 500 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: and I think you're absolutely right that he will play 501 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: that game, Dara. Thanks Joe in Miami, Hi, Joe, what's 502 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: your question? I I don't have a question. I have 503 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: a comment because I met him when he came back 504 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 1: to hard He had a home here, and one day 505 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: I left my UH, I left my quality service to Lincoln, 506 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: Mercury and Coral Gables, went to the golf course, came 507 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: back late afternoon and carrying my golf bag, and I 508 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: heard a voice say those are pretty good clubs. I said, yeah, 509 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: they are, and it was Oh j about fifteen feet away, 510 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: waddling towards me. And I decided not to call him 511 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: what I wanted to if I ever ran into him, 512 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: a a effing murderer. I decided I couldn't do that. 513 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,719 Speaker 1: He came up to me, he tried to tell me 514 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: that he had an investigator looking for the murderer, and 515 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: of course all of that, and he gave me a 516 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: lot of crap, and I simply said, um, I never 517 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: shook hands, never said that his car was ready, and 518 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: he left. And my impression was he didn't need me 519 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: to call him names, because he'd have to think about 520 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: what he did every day for the rest of his life. 521 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: You know, Joe, it's amazing to me that you would 522 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: stand up and say that when he could have punched 523 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: you with one hand and knocked you flat. You did 524 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: what a lot of people wouldn't have the guts to 525 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: do with me, is aunt Harris. He was at the 526 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: trial every day. We covered the trial together at the time. 527 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: I was still a felony prosecutor at the time. The 528 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: legal reasoning for parole, as we all know, is as 529 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,719 Speaker 1: did the person do their time? Is there a reason 530 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: to keep them behind bars? Have they committed any prison violations? 531 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: But here's the deal, it's bigger than that. And I 532 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: really believe Art that we are on the brink. And 533 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: what I mean by that is, yes, they could let 534 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: him go but also Art, they can keep him. It 535 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: is solely within their discretion a parole board. There is 536 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: no appeal from a parole board. There is can be 537 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: taken if the Nevada Supreme Court. But if you look 538 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: at the the arrogance that has gone into his his 539 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: life of of denial thinking he's above the law. Going 540 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: back to to Nicole, he blaming you know, him blaming 541 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: her for she got what she deserved. You know, my 542 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: investigation of him and their lifestyle, he did a lot 543 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: of cocaine and he was the one who introduced it 544 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: into their relationship and he had a real problem. But 545 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: his ability as a narcissistic personality is to compartmentalize his 546 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,479 Speaker 1: responsibility and what he saw provoked him to do what 547 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,239 Speaker 1: quote he had to do that you know, she deserved it. 548 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: So this is a total injustice to allow someone who 549 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: can justify themselves, you know, into taking a life in 550 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: two lives like he did. Art. It was predicted that 551 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: once he was acquitted the first time, somebody would take 552 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: a shot at him. That never happened. As a matter 553 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: of fact, he became a celebrity post acquittal and fortune 554 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: signing autographs. Yeah, people loved around and paid him. And 555 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: the other thing is this, he's been signed photographs and 556 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: autographs behind bars like a machine. I've been told reportedly 557 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: making tons of money behind bars. Right now, I want 558 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: the right thing to happen. I want justice, and justice 559 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: is that he not get out the parobe or can 560 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: keep him in if they want to out to the lines. 561 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: Julie and Jacksonville. Hi, Julie, Hi, it's nice to talk 562 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: to you too. I have a real quick question, okay me. 563 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: I think you've always done a wonderful job by the 564 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: way I followed you for years. Thank you. My question is, 565 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: if he does get paroled, doesn't he have civil jud 566 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: judgments against him? What is the possibility that if he 567 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: does get paroled that he's going to have to pay 568 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: financially for the rest of his life. Yes, he does 569 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: have a thirty million dollars scial judgment agains him had Art. 570 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: You see. The thing about that is that his NFL pension. 571 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: The way is to find that is actually protected from 572 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: any possible judgment he is. You know, he's got this 573 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: money he's been building up every year since he's been 574 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: behind bars, his annual income from the pension, and so 575 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: he's coming out a much richer man than he went 576 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: in because he hadn't been able to spend it and 577 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: throw it away on on various pursuits. But you can't. 578 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: The Goldman's can't touch it, nor can they touch all 579 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: the money you just and he got from signing footballs 580 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: and autographs and signal and and photographs behind bars or 581 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: at these shows. And that's how he made a fortune 582 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: in cash. And never use that because he did it 583 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: in cash and kept it under the table. And that's 584 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: and that's why these you know, even this though arn't 585 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: from all all the years since he was acquitted back 586 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: to Julian Jacksonville, he never paid them one red penny never. 587 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how he was making all his money never. 588 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: And I guarantee you when you don't know a horse, 589 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: look at his track record. He's not gonna pay a 590 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: penny and he's gonna walk scott free on it. The 591 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: clock is ticking down. It is now less than seventy 592 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: two hours till a parole board will hear evidence to 593 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: determine whether notorious football great or enthal James Simpson, who 594 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: many believe is responsible for the brutal murders of two 595 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: people Nicole Brown. Ron Goldman, then convicted at trial in 596 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: an armed robbery, once again believing he's above the law, 597 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: will walk free with me. Thanks. Psychologists out of New 598 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: York here and Stark and Ace investigative journalist reporter Art Harris, 599 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 1: and we are taking your calls out to James in Auburn, Maine. James, 600 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: thank you for calling. What is your question? Um, Well, 601 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: my question is this, Nancy. If O J does walk, 602 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: does it does it mean that he's gonna end up 603 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: have the having like bodyguards protecting him because it's I mean, 604 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: there's lots of people out there that don't like him. 605 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have nothing against the guy himself, 606 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: but I'm just afraid that if he gets out and 607 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: he does walk, if he's you know, his life may 608 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: be in danger because there are people out there that 609 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: want to you know, ring his netro for all the 610 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 1: crimes that he's done. You know, interesting question, James. All 611 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: the years that I've been in the criminal justice business, 612 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: since has been since my fiancee was murdered many many 613 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 1: years ago, I've always heard about quote jail house justice, 614 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: Oh this guy did this on the outside. Then the 615 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,919 Speaker 1: guys in jail are going to get him for that. 616 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,240 Speaker 1: Very rarely happens. And when you don't know what's gonna 617 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 1: happen in the future, Look what's happened in the past. 618 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: All those years after Simpson was acquitted, nobody did anything. 619 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: Nobody and another thing. People actually loved him, James in 620 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,240 Speaker 1: aubur Main. They wanted their pictures with him, They wanted 621 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: his autograph, his his autographed photo, selfies running up to 622 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: him at restaurants and events. I mean, he couldn't beat 623 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: the people off. And this is after all that evidence 624 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: came to light. So I doubt pretty seriously that anything 625 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: is gonna happen to O. J. Simpson when he walks, 626 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: other than he'll shack up with another Nicole Brown look 627 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: alike and he'll keep that football pension coming in and 628 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: rolling in money from signing memorabilia and getting paid cash 629 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: under the table. That's what I think is going to happen, James. 630 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: It said, we will probably commit another crime. What do 631 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: you think is gonna happen, James, I don't know. It's 632 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: just I hope he stays out of trouble and he 633 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: doesn't cause any more than what he's already you know, 634 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: And I kind of hoping that they don't release him. 635 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: I'm praying, I've been praying every night that they keep 636 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: him in jail. But you know, it's up to it's 637 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: up to them what they want to do, you know. 638 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 1: So I just I just pray that whatever happens, that 639 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 1: you know that it's it's going to be a good thing, 640 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: that that he you know, will will hopefully learn a 641 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: lesson from all this, if he does at all. So 642 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: I agree with you on that. I mean, all we 643 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: can do is watch, hope and pray. What what do 644 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: you think about the parole board members aren't Harris. Do 645 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 1: you think they're feeling any pressure as it relates to this. Well, 646 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: they've got to be feeling, you know, being in the crossfire. 647 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: But they're not very public figures, so it's not like 648 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 1: their their photos are out there on Facebook and people 649 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: can single them out and you can lobby them like 650 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: you would your congressman. They're they're pretty much above I 651 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: know who they are, Okay, Tony Corda, Susan L. Jackson, 652 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: Adam Endel, and the chairman, Connie S. Bisbee. What I 653 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: don't understand is why the folks who are feeling the 654 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: pain from or would be feeling it if he is 655 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: let go. Uh, there has not been a concerted effort 656 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: to somehow quantify the torment that they have felt all 657 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: the years, and they would feel the salt being rubbed 658 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,839 Speaker 1: in their wounds by him walking around free. Why that 659 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: hasn't been put in front of them or hasn't been 660 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: We haven't really felt the weight of it. We don't 661 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: know what they have felt from that. I have a 662 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 1: few specifics. It's my understanding that Parole Board is appointed 663 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: by the governor. I know exactly who the Parole Board 664 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: members are who are going to determine simpsons fate. They 665 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: are Tony Corda c O R d A, Susan L. Jackson, 666 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 1: Adam Endel E N D E L and the chairman, 667 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,919 Speaker 1: Connie S. Bisbee B brother I S B E E. 668 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,879 Speaker 1: There's a chance they could split two to two. There 669 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: are normally seven commissioners in total, three of them normally 670 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,760 Speaker 1: stationed in the boards Vegas office. If the four commissioners split, 671 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: the other three are typically called in to continue the voting, 672 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: with a minimum four votes for one side needed to 673 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: determine an outcome. But Commissioner Maurice Silva retired June thirty. 674 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: Now there are only six board members. The new commissioner 675 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,919 Speaker 1: won't officially assume position until after the hearing, so if 676 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: they're deadlocked in that rare case, Simpson will be denied 677 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: parole for another six months. Then there will be a 678 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: follow up hearing. This is going down this Thursday. This 679 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: goes down Nevada time ten a m. Now. We anticipate 680 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: the decision to be announced on Thursday. Deliberations usually don't 681 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: take a lot of time, and we anticipate no more 682 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: than twenty to thirty minutes to come for the Parole 683 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: Board to come back onto the record. Sometimes hearings are 684 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: not conducted with a full majority, but we believe we 685 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: will have a decision Thursday. The hearing itself will take 686 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: place in Carson City, Nevada, where the Nevada Board of 687 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: Parole Commissioners will meet. That is what I know right now. 688 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: If he's denied parole, uh, he will continue behind bars 689 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: with a anticipated with an anticipated date of nine twenty two. 690 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: How many votes does it require for him to be 691 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: paroled for and what is next for him? If he 692 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: has paroled, the board will review the parole plan. Halfway 693 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: houses are usually requested as a plan. If there's no 694 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: other residents available, we're gonna note most likely on Thursday. 695 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: That's what I know. Let's go straight out to the lines, Elizabeth, 696 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 1: Pasco County, Florida. Hi Elizabeth, what's your question? So excited 697 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: to be on? Well? What do you think? You know? 698 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,320 Speaker 1: A lot of people are saying the parole boards should 699 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: let him go because he has not had any infractions. 700 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: Behind bars? I say no, absolutely not, and hopefully the 701 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: parole board will have some degree of decency and keep 702 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: this guy behind bars. I mean it goes all the 703 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,400 Speaker 1: way from a double murder, two allegations he beat his 704 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: girlfriend when he got acquitted, two armed robbery, all the 705 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: way to stealing a cookie behind bars as if he 706 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: didn't have the money to buy whatever he wanted. Elizabeth. Yes, 707 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 1: I think you should stay behind bars. If you disagree 708 00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,919 Speaker 1: with me, tell me why. I'm I'm afraid for I'm 709 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: afraid this this guy is gonna get loose in Florida 710 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,720 Speaker 1: and I personally don't want him in the state of Florida. 711 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,919 Speaker 1: And oh yeah, he's coming to Florida, Elizabeth, because he'll 712 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: want to get another house there and under the law 713 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: of Florida. Those civil judgments can't take away his house. 714 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 1: I don't blame you who wants O. J. Sipson in 715 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: their backyard? You want to run into him at publix? Uh? 716 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 1: Remember right what? Elizabeth right out there too? Because I 717 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: know people in Miami that said they see him on 718 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: the golf courses. I heard another caller said they ran 719 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,399 Speaker 1: right into him on the golf course. So he's he's 720 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 1: He's like, immediately he goes into I'm a celebrity, the 721 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: whole thing starts again. I hear you, Elizabeth in Pasco County. 722 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: You know I have the parole board thinks about Floridians 723 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: as well. K and San Diego. Hi, K, what's your question? Hi? 724 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: I just wondered, you know how much his popularity influences 725 00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: the parole board and over rides ASICs. Now, if you 726 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: put a woman in his shoes and she did all 727 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: of that, there are two standards, one for men and 728 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 1: one for women, it wouldn't be carried on. And b 729 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:20,399 Speaker 1: is considered or considerate the the against the woman. As 730 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:26,399 Speaker 1: the man has he has more privileges. Oh, there's definitely 731 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 1: a double standard. Kay. In San Diego, nobody likes to 732 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 1: talk about it, but there is a double standard. You're right, 733 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 1: he would have been behind bars at the get go. 734 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: I agree with you. And your question is how much 735 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,879 Speaker 1: does celebrity play into it? A lot? Now it did 736 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,920 Speaker 1: bother that Nevada jury. They convicted him, and I only 737 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: hope the parole board. Who you cannot appeal a parole 738 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: board decision. I hope they have the backbone to keep 739 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 1: him from keep him behind bars. K and San Diego 740 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 1: fingers crossed. Thank you for calling, Joe and in Ohio, 741 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,280 Speaker 1: Hi Joe, and thank you for calling. What is your question? 742 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: I was great, love you, Thank you. I don't know. 743 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: I'm a little confused about all this with oj um yea. 744 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: I've been watching you SIPs core TV. I'm sure remember 745 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 1: when I was on with Johnny Cochrane. Now that was something. 746 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,880 Speaker 1: What's your question, dear, Well, I don't know. I'm a 747 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,440 Speaker 1: little I'm confused with o j over here. Um. First 748 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 1: of all, I don't know why everyone's putting the double 749 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: murder in with this case. He got acquitted of it. 750 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: I don't know why. And I think he got over 751 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 1: killed on this case because of the murders. You know 752 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 1: that he got acquitted of and I don't think that's there. 753 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not and I'm not sure if he 754 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 1: killed him or not. Well, I hear what you're saying. 755 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 1: And you know what, Aunt Harris, A lot of people 756 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: think that they do as they are entitled to think 757 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 1: what they want. What about it, Aunt Harris? What is 758 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: justice for O? J? Simpson answer? You know, he's someone 759 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: who who loves the adulation and loved the acceptance at 760 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 1: the country club. Now the worst thing that's happened to 761 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 1: him is that he's been banned from private clubs. He 762 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 1: has to play golf on a public course. Are you 763 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: kidding me? You know what? I wish I could just 764 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 1: reach through this microphone and gant and remind your ears 765 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: and shake you. Are you did you actually just tell 766 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 1: me his punishment? He's got to play the public course? 767 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? And that's right? And you know, 768 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 1: in his mind he has been accepted in spite of 769 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: all that, if you see, I mean, celebrity trump justice 770 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,799 Speaker 1: in this case, as it often does, but in his 771 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: case especially. And so he went back out and he 772 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: was playing golf, but he couldn't get back into his 773 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 1: private clubs because he was a prior. I think I've 774 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: got Charlotte in Florida. Hi Charlotte, what's your question, dear? Yes, 775 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,720 Speaker 1: my question is when O J said he would spend 776 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:56,480 Speaker 1: all his time and money finding the murderer of his 777 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,840 Speaker 1: ex foye, why didn't he just look in the mirror? 778 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,719 Speaker 1: Because he did it? Any belief that, Arlotte? What what 779 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 1: is your take on whether he should walk? Oh? I 780 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,360 Speaker 1: think he should stay right where he is behind bars. 781 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 1: He should have been there all this time. I agree. 782 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: And this this is what is This is what's bugging me, Charlotte. 783 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 1: Everyone is a lot of people are saying, well, this 784 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: is not about the double murder, and they're right about that, 785 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 1: But you know what, It's about justice. And right now, 786 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,959 Speaker 1: those parole board members have the power at their fingertips 787 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: to seek justice and do the right thing. It is 788 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 1: within their discretion. Whether he stays in or walks, it 789 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 1: is not appealable. They have the power at their fingertips 790 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 1: to make this decision. And yes, this is not about 791 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,359 Speaker 1: the double murders, but this is about seeking justice. So 792 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,040 Speaker 1: Art Harris, give me your best guess. Are they to 793 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: let him go? Art? Nancy Uma sadly sadly, Um I 794 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,439 Speaker 1: think they might, and I think that the reason would 795 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 1: be they don't want to discourage other inmates. But what 796 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,400 Speaker 1: is the bigger message here that they will condone a 797 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,480 Speaker 1: certain level of evil in the world. I don't know. 798 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,760 Speaker 1: What matters to me is justice. Justice was not served 799 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 1: originally and this is a chance to get justice. Nancy 800 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories, signing off goodbye friend.