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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Lazarn.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined has always by our bark match.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars crowding the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: is the next Patriots? Is such a disserviceable So.

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Speaker 2: That's what So this is what this is about, right,

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Speaker 2: this is what this is about.

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Speaker 1: They're not the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: The Patriots is like when you get on me for

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Speaker 2: not Tom Brady, Bold take different, Alex the different, not

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Speaker 2: the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of people being very loud about

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs are the next great take Bold Take. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of people saying the Chiefs are the next

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Speaker 1: great event.

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Speaker 2: Going on a limb here. I had to give it

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Speaker 2: back to you. I mean, that's that's what you always

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Speaker 2: say to me. Yeahes isn't the next Tom Brady? I

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Speaker 2: get it, Evan, good one.

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Speaker 1: But then you spent the whole show hyping up the

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift references and you missed mine.

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Speaker 2: Well, that was the highlight of the game on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: I would say, is Taylor Swift I have a question

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Speaker 2: for you? Yeah, And you know this is you know,

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Speaker 2: as a company man, I don't know how I should

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Speaker 2: feel about this, But what is your opinion about about

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Speaker 2: all the Taylor Swift being shown on the video board?

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Speaker 2: Taylor Swift tweets because I feel like, for the most part,

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Speaker 2: I feel like it was fine.

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Speaker 1: Like it was fine.

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Speaker 2: And she also has said multiple times that she loves

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Speaker 2: playing Gillette like it's one of her favorite venues to play.

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Speaker 2: So there is a little bit of a connection between

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Speaker 2: the fans here in the stadium and Taylor Swift. But

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Speaker 2: there she was in that box, And I know people

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Speaker 2: are going to be pissed that we're talking about Taylor

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Speaker 2: Swift right off the top of the show. There she

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Speaker 2: was in that box in Chief's gear, head to toe

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Speaker 2: wave into the Gillette Stadium fans as the Chiefs were

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Speaker 2: kicking our butts up and down the field. It was

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Speaker 2: it was an interesting day. It was an interest day,

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Speaker 2: I'll put it to you that way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't really have a thought on it one

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Speaker 1: way or the other.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not surprised by that, all right. Evan Lazar,

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Speaker 2: Alex Barth Patriots Catch twenty two. Here with you for

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Speaker 2: the next couple of hours. Alex is so done with

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Speaker 2: Taylor Swift. Glad that's over, aren't you?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Aren't you? Yep?

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Speaker 2: Never again? And we're gonna talk Patriots, obviously, and I'll

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Speaker 2: try my best not to not to get into an

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Speaker 2: argument with Alex about the Celtics because it's not Celtics

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Speaker 2: catch twenty two, but.

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Speaker 1: That that'd be catch ten, catch ten.

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Speaker 2: They all ten. Yeah, So I had this thought yesterday.

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Speaker 2: You know, I always like to open the show with

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Speaker 2: some sort of thought, right, big picture thought about the team.

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Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people. I say this

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Speaker 2: a lot, but a lot of people want listen and

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Speaker 2: watch the show Alex to hear the real nitty gritty

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Speaker 2: x'es and o's and not the drama, Like you go

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Speaker 2: want to go listen to Felger and mass to get

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Speaker 2: the drama. That's That's where they'll be talking for straight

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Speaker 2: hours today about Belichick getting fire, right, Like that's just

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Speaker 2: gonna be the reality. But when we were covering the

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Speaker 2: team in twenty nineteen, and I'm just speaking for myself,

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Speaker 2: I was a young buck. It's only my second year

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Speaker 2: our first year full time on the beat, and I

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Speaker 2: still believed in Santa Claus, like not not because of

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Speaker 2: there were there were signs and there was similar rumblings,

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Speaker 2: maybe not as strongly just because the season didn't go

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Speaker 2: Like when to words, where's he gonna go? Like what

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Speaker 2: The reason why I want to talk about it and

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Speaker 2: is because I don't want to believe in Santa Claus anymore, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: the end of his ridiculous, unprecedented run of success with

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Speaker 2: the Patriots, and I think that's the story of the team.

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Speaker 2: As much as I don't want to make this show

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Speaker 2: I don't want to ignore what I ignore it in

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen with Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's definitely fair. And I felt the

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Speaker 1: same way you at the time. And I remember writing

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Speaker 1: this whole column about there's no you know, all the

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Speaker 1: logic points to Tom Brady staying. And what I underestimated

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Speaker 1: is that sometimes it's not about logic. It's about you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just time. And that's where it feels like we've

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Speaker 1: had a lot because we've both kind of talked about

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Speaker 1: the Patriots moving on. And we've had people call in

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Speaker 1: and say, how can you move on from the greatest

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Speaker 1: coach of all time? And we've both sat here and said,

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Speaker 1: he is the greatest coach of all time. But sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's just time, right, and it feels like this is

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Speaker 1: part ways. It just is That's that's what it feels like. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for both sides, not just for the Patriots, for both.

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Speaker 1: I wonder how much Bill wants to come back here too. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We had a caller yesterday on Unfiltered that called in

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Speaker 2: And he pretty much hid all the no's that everybody

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Speaker 2: else always talks about, you know, loyalty. You know one,

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Speaker 2: it's been one really bad season and you guys want

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Speaker 2: they are going to be hiring somebody that knows less

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Speaker 2: he knows more not And I'm not just talking about

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Speaker 2: the more important stuff to a football team currently, like

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Speaker 2: you gotta a look at the record the last four years, right,

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Speaker 2: And I think the leeway that he's gotten is because

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Speaker 2: Most coaches get fired from that season. And you know

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Speaker 2: that's that's not where we're at because of who he is,

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Speaker 2: get it. I get both sides of this conversation. I

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Speaker 2: One thing that I really don't understand, and then I

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Speaker 2: The one thing that I really don't understand is people

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Speaker 2: I don't really agree with that line of thinking. And

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Speaker 2: I would also say that teams that need a head

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Speaker 2: They think they typically are bad, Like it's not just

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Speaker 2: Chargers are a one year rebuild for Bill Belichick. I

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Speaker 1: I would be very surprised at this point if they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've had a good year, And I just that's

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Speaker 2: not really a factor to me at all in any

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Speaker 2: to move on from here. And it's different from Brady

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Speaker 2: because Brady still won eleven games, they still made the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: they were still you're removed from a super Bowl when

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Speaker 2: he left in twenty nineteen. This is they're three and

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Speaker 2: eleven and they haven't won a playoff game since twenty eighteen. Like,

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Speaker 2: this is a different situation. So I just wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: concerned about that if I was a Patriots fan.

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Speaker 1: Sure, all right, where see.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's hard to decide where to go next

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Speaker 2: with this because I feel like there's so many people

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Speaker 1: The first half. Do you want the numbers on it? Sure?

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Speaker 2: I know the numbers this year, the numbers last year.

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Speaker 2: The Bears game, the Bears game is the one game.

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Speaker 1: I know. But it five for nine hundred nine yards

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And just to put that in context, if you

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Speaker 1: But even still in that Chargers game, he was better

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Speaker 2: Like maybe maybe margin, maybe statistical, but he was better.

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Speaker 2: Teams are coming after him. They're coming after early down

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Speaker 1: They've not kind of they Yeah, they did not cover

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Speaker 2: So it seems to me like you have a couple

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Speaker 2: So, let's face it, they look at Bailey's zappy, they

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Speaker 1: Can I give you one more number on the passer ratings?

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Speaker 1: Best passer ratings in the first half this season minimum

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Speaker 2: eleven minutes to go in the second quarter, they're already

435
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,479
Speaker 2: on their backup left tackle and Connor McDermott, and then

436
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 2: he goes down late in the game and they have

437
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,919
Speaker 2: to play thirteen snaps of Vederien Lowe at the end

438
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 2: of the game. I understand that they've had injuries on

439
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 2: the offensive line, but I think we all need to

440
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 2: acknowledge that the plan coming into the season, and this

441
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,439
Speaker 2: is not revision, is history, and this is not a

442
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 2: victory lap either. I'm just giving you straight facts.

443
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 1: Sounds like it's gonna be a little bit of victory,

444
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 1: I'll allow it.

445
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 2: The plan coming into the season along the offensive line

446
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 2: was terrible. It was a bad plan. It was a

447
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 2: flawed plan going into the year. And now this is

448
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 2: what you get. You have an offensive line that in

449
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,719
Speaker 2: past block win rate right now, alex is thirty second,

450
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 2: dead last in the league. The worst pass blocking offensive

451
00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 2: line in football plays for the New England Patriots. That's

452
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 2: what we got. And you get what you pay for.

453
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: You get what you pay for, You.

454
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: Get what you look on that interior versus tackles. No,

455
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:08,679
Speaker 1: I don't, okay, but I have.

456
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you could look up like individuals, but not

457
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 2: like as a group. Now okay, But the bottom line

458
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 2: is is that they for a minute put a band

459
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,400
Speaker 2: aid on a on a bullet wound with Mike Onwenu

460
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 2: going out to right tackle like that. That sort of

461
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 2: saved them for like a couple of weeks.

462
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: There, which by the way, was not clearly not a

463
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 1: part of the plan coming into exactly that was a scramble.

464
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 2: The plan. The plan. The plan was Trent Brown and

465
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 2: Riley Reef.

466
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: That was the plan.

467
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 2: Yes, that the plan coming into the year was Trent

468
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 2: Brown at left tackle, Riley Reef at right tackle. I

469
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 2: have a lot of with Connor McDermott as swing tackle,

470
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 2: or Calvin Anderson or actually or no it wasn't.

471
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Speaker 1: It was City so.

472
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Speaker 2: They yeah, I maybe Ultimately though the plan was flawed

473
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: and we all knew it. We all could point a

474
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 2: finger at it and say, this is a flawed plan

475
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 2: right tackle particularly, but we also knew that Trent was unreliable,

476
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 2: like he was in himself also kind of like a

477
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 2: ticking time bomb. And I gotta say I've defended Trent

478
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 2: Brown a lot in the past because when he's locked

479
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 2: in and when he's motivated like he was at the

480
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 2: beginning of the year, he can play some really good football.

481
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 1: He's top ten tackling football.

482
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 2: I don't know about that, but he can play some. Really,

483
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 2: I'm saying, when he's like on his game, he's one

484
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: of the he's he's definitely starting caliber.

485
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: Tech pff' number one left tackle.

486
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Speaker 2: Their offensive line ratings suck. You're not liking that's like

487
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 2: the one thing that they're bad at the corners, well

488
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 2: corners is because of context, but there they need to

489
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 2: get like ignoring all the context they need to get

490
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 2: like Brian Baldinger in there or something like that, degrade

491
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 2: the offensive lineman. It's it's it's bad if you're like

492
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 2: quick aside, if you're rating offensive lineman and Trent Williams

493
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: is not your number one left tackle in the NFL,

494
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 2: then all of your ratings are just no void at

495
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 2: that point, like you're just lying to people. If he's

496
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 2: not your number one left tackle, then everything else goes

497
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: out the window. For me, he's he's by far the

498
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: best lineman in football. It's it's not even close. So

499
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 2: Trent Brown. I have some issues with Trent Brown. I

500
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: gotta be honest with you. I really good job by

501
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: Sophie Weller, like that this is not a shot at

502
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 2: Sophie at all. Those comments yesterday really bugged me. They

503
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 2: really bugged me, Like this is a guy that I

504
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 2: just I can't get Trent Brown off this team fast enough.

505
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: I can't he All year, Trent's been like, you know that,

506
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: I don't even remember what movie it's from, but it's

507
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: with isn't it Anthony Mackie, Like he's out of line,

508
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: but he's right. I'm talking about maybe I don't know

509
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: there's a uh what movie is it from? It's I

510
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: don't know what uh, But he's like he looks all concernious,

511
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: like he's out of line, but he's right. It's part

512
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: of the Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Okay, I didn't either,

513
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 1: but I've seen this. That's Trent all year, all year.

514
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: Every time he talks to me, it's like, Wow, I

515
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: can't believe he said that. I mean, he's not wrong,

516
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: but I can't believe he said enough of it. It's

517
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: all year.

518
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: I've had enough of it.

519
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: Like in the season like this, it's entertaining, but.

520
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 2: Maybe it's entertaining, but him saying yesterday what he said

521
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 2: about Malie cutting him, him saying a couple of weeks

522
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: ago about how he's been the best offensive player on

523
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: the team, you know, when he was hurt, and then

524
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 2: just just show up to work, dude, Like, just just

525
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: show up to work. Like no one's asking any of

526
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: your opinions on any of this, And I'm not like, like,

527
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: obviously Sophie asked him for his opinion, but like, I

528
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: don't care about your opinion. You're not a coach, You're

529
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: not a decision maker in this building. And honestly, frankly

530
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: like you you are good at every three or four

531
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: plays and then you take a playoff, right like you're

532
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: you're good. You're so damn streaky because of your effort

533
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: on the field that I just I'm sorry, I'm not

534
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: gonna take you as a talent evaluator. Worry about your

535
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 2: own house, you know, And I just their plan going

536
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 2: into the season was flawed at the tackle positions especially,

537
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: and their line play is brutal. Their line play is

538
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: absolutely awful. And I look at that and I point

539
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 2: to so many different things. Personnel, coaching, all of that,

540
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: But I also I keep coming back to this and

541
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: I can't shake it that this offensive system of how

542
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 2: they handle protections at the line of scrimmage is really

543
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: really flawed. Like I don't think it's good. I don't

544
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 2: think that anybody else on planet Earth can get to

545
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage, sniff out of blitz before the snap,

546
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 2: remike to get the part, get it blocked, and then

547
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 2: make a play against the blitz other than Tom Brady. Like,

548
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: there's only so many guys on planet Earth that have

549
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: that kind of football acumen, that that kind of instincts,

550
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 2: that kind of sense of the game, that they can

551
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: get to the line of scrimmage, survey a defense, look

552
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 2: at eleven, say that guy is blitzing. I don't know

553
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 2: how I know, but I just know, and then remike it,

554
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: get the protection pointed that direction, pick it up, know

555
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 2: where the hot is, make a throw, like all these

556
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 2: different types of things that go into it, And at

557
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: some point in time we need to look at it

558
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: and say, can anybody else besides Tom Brady do this

559
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: consistently at a high level, And when you get a

560
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: quarterback in here next year, like let's just use Drake

561
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: May for an example, are you gonna put that on

562
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: a rookie, like, is the rookie gonna have to come

563
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 2: to the line of scrimmage and start making calls and

564
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 2: start you know, Rita Linda and you know, Mike points.

565
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: And these guys are it's not they're not doing anything

566
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: close to that. In college there used to be like that.

567
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: Now it's not. No.

568
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: And Dan Rolovsky posted a clip of Everybody's Darling brock

569
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: Purty and uh brock Purty gets an all out blitz

570
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 2: from Arizona six six man you know, blitz pressure and

571
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: brock Purdy when you get watch him get to the

572
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, he does nothing like he doesn't say anything,

573
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 2: he doesn't point at anybody, he doesn't make a call,

574
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 2: he doesn't make a check, he does nothing. They snap

575
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 2: the ball, the blitz comes, he knows where his hot

576
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: receiver is. If the if they bring more to the

577
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: blot you know guys than they have blockers, and he

578
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: makes the throw right.

579
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Speaker 1: It's just it's just streamlined. It's simply it helps when

580
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: you know everybody around he's gonna get open.

581
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: But that's but the point of it is that he's

582
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: not they're not putting all this like mental stress on

583
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: the quarterback pre snap. They're not asking the quarterback to

584
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: be a field general and like get everybody in line

585
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: and get everything situated. And this is not only have

586
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: has this failed twice in a row, Like it's failed

587
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: with mac Jones and now it's failing with Bailey Zappy

588
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: because in the second half of this game especially, but

589
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: throughout the entire game, they couldn't.

590
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: Pick up a blitz. They allowed eight quarterback pressures on blitzes,

591
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: three sacks, eight quarterback pressures on fourteen dropbacks against the

592
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: blitz That's horrible. That's terrible.

593
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 2: You know, Steve Spagnola had them spinning the entire game

594
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: like guys coming scott free to the quarterback because they're

595
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: not pointed in the right direction. They're not picking up

596
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: blitzes and not seeing it coming, you know, corner blitzes,

597
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: linebackers off the ball, like all of it. There's a play,

598
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: the one that he actually saved when he threw it

599
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: to Devonte Parker, where Zeke Elliott's like looking at the

600
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: blitzer and for some reason he goes left and the

601
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: blitzard just comes right through the middle of the line

602
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: of scrimmage and nearly sacks Billy's Abbey. They're all over

603
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: the place with it because their communication on it stinks.

604
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: They don't have a plan. They have a plan, but

605
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 2: the plan is just complex and flawed.

606
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: And but I think some of it too goes back

607
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: to what you said at the beginning and that old

608
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: scar Nekia thing about scot about continuity almost called scartinuity.

609
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: That's kind of cool. Yeah, so much.

610
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: Of its repetition, right, So much of learning this stuff

611
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: as repetition. When you have guys coming in and out

612
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: of the lineup game to game, play to play week

613
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: to week, it makes it tough. And I don't think

614
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna get any better because now Cole strangers out

615
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: for the season. Conor McDermott probably doesn't play this week.

616
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: We'll see where Trent Brown's up. But you could have

617
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: a change at left tackle, Like, yeah, it just keeps changing.

618
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it. Your overall point about is

619
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: the offensive system still valid? Is fair? It doesn't help

620
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 1: if you're gonna run this when you're still figuring out

621
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: who you're starting offensive line is in October.

622
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they can't drop that pass because they

623
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: can't block anybody right like they you know, everybody wants

624
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien to dress it up more. They want him

625
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: to push the ball down the field. They can't dress

626
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 2: it up and push the ball down the field because.

627
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: They can't block.

628
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: So you can't like run a vertical passing concept where

629
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: you have to wait for like something to clear out

630
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: and then something fills it, you know what I mean.

631
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: Like they can't wait for things to happen. The ball's

632
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: got to come out otherwise he's gonna be under pressure.

633
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: So that's why there's no passing game down the field.

634
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: I actually thought on this film against Kansas City, they

635
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: had some open receivers down the field in this game,

636
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: Like this wasn't one of those games where everybody was

637
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: like plastered in coverage.

638
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: And I actually thought the receivers played very well in

639
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: this game. They're doing a very good job of getting

640
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: open they now it was a lot of one on

641
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: one man coverage because they were blitzing so much better.

642
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, there was guys opened down the field

643
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: on this film. They don't have time to get it

644
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: down the field. That's that's the bottom line. And I

645
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: think when you start to spin it forward, because it's

646
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: not really important right now. Like for Bailey Zappi, I

647
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: feel for the guy, but it's not really important how

648
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: he plays. It's not really important if the team wins

649
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: right now. But as we start to spin this forward,

650
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: you have to look at the next year and the

651
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: next regime and the next uh you know, iteration of

652
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: this thing. And if it is a rookie quarterback, if

653
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: it is Jaden Daniels, if it is Drake May, if

654
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: it is Michael Pennix, if it is bo Nix, like

655
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: whoever it is, is he going to be able to

656
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: execute this system? Is Are they going to be able

657
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: to pick up a blitz next year? Are they going

658
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: to be able to set Mike points? Are they going

659
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: to be able to slide protection? Are they going to

660
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: be able to drop back pass?

661
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: Because they're you know.

662
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: They can push the ball down the field with timing.

663
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 2: You go and you watch like an offense like the

664
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: Detroit Lions, Like I watched them their offense last week

665
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: against the against the Broncos, right, and like they can

666
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: do so many different things because their line is so good,

667
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: Like not only in the run game are they super diverse,

668
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: but they can run these like seven step drop you know,

669
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: Jared Goff got to wait it out. And they're running

670
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: you know, downfield dagger where the middle read routes clearing

671
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: out and then the dig routes filling in, and they

672
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: can it can take four seconds for it all to

673
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: develop because he's got all the day. You can have

674
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: a picnic back there, right, So are they gonna be

675
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: able to do all those things? Is a rookie gonna

676
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: be able to execute all those things that? These are

677
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: the types of things that make me look at it

678
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: and say, this system, they're the dinosaurs right now, this

679
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: the the meteor is coming at Earth, like the media

680
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: is in Earth's atmosphere at this point right like they're

681
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: the dinosaurs and we are going to extinct. Like That's

682
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: what I look at right now, because I'm telling you,

683
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: like you said, not a single quarterback in college is

684
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: worrying about all this crap. Not a single quarterback in

685
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: college has to worry about all this pre snap crap.

686
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: And then the ball is snapped, and then you got

687
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: to worry about post snap crap. Like because it's single

688
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: high as it too high, where's the route gonna go here?

689
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: How is it gonna convert there, where's the leverage over there?

690
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: Like you don't have to worry about that shit in college.

691
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: You just throw the ball like it's not that complicated.

692
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: I just don't think that the playbook being calculus, like

693
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: Julian Edelman used to say, Yeah, I don't think that's

694
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: an advantage for the Patriots anymore. I think it's a disadvantage.

695
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: You don't have a calculus teacher quarterback anymore.

696
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: Right, And I think it's a big reason why their

697
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: quarterbacks are having problems. I think it's a big reason

698
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: why they're young receivers are having problems. Like statistically speaking,

699
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: when you just look at you know, some of the

700
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: metrics with Pop Douglas, he's like one of the better

701
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: separators in the league this year just in terms of

702
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: beating man coverage getting opened down the field. But even

703
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas is gonna have like five hundred yards on

704
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: the year, not because he can't get open.

705
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: He's still leading receiver right now.

706
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, not because he can't get open, but

707
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: because he's had rout running issues this year. He has,

708
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: he's had route running issues. I know he's also had injuries,

709
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: but like the point being I think that this system

710
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: is extinct.

711
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: I think it's going out of business. Somebody asked in

712
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: the chat here on YouTube, and I think it's a

713
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: good question. I don't know if we can explain it

714
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: all on this show, but basically said, all right, if

715
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: it's so complicated, how did Brady make it work? And

716
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 1: how is he the only one? What do you mean?

717
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: That's the whole point that right, his mind was ridiculous,

718
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: Like he was absolutely on a different planet, on a

719
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: different level, on a different whatever you want to call it,

720
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: like stratosphere with football IQ and a like ability to

721
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 2: make adjustments at.

722
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: The line of unlike anything we've ever seen. And the

723
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: other thing I would say is the system didn't look

724
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: like this in two thousand and one. They built it

725
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: up and made it more complex over time, and it

726
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: what's what I'm looking for. It was cumulative. Yeah, right,

727
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to say that they started mac

728
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: Jones off where Brady was in year twenty, but they

729
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: didn't go back to square one neither. They kind of

730
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: asked him to run an offense that it took Tom Brady,

731
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: call it five years to.

732
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 2: Get That would be a really interesting question, and maybe

733
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: it's something that if he doesn't take a coaching job

734
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: next year and he takes a year off, like maybe

735
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 2: we like I could get Josh McDaniels on the horn

736
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: and like see, like what did you ask Mac Jones

737
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: to do in twenty one? Really, like what did you

738
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 2: really ask him to do? Because I would even go back.

739
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: You know, I always reference Cam because Cam when he

740
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: got cut by the Patriots, he did that thing with

741
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 2: his dad, remember, and he said at that time that

742
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: until he got to the Patriots, he never identified a

743
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 2: mike in his life.

744
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: But like I've never I never got that because I've

745
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: seen videos of him doing it in Carolina.

746
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 2: That's what he said. He said he'd never done that before.

747
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 2: Protections are all he said. It was always the center

748
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 2: that did it for him. Now there's a difference between

749
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: like quality control, right, Like you come to the line

750
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: of scrimmage, you have the protection called, and all of

751
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: a sudden you see like a guy that tips off

752
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: a blitz and then you have to change it real quick.

753
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: Maybe that's maybe that's what he was. You know you've

754
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: seen yeah, but I think he said it. But everybody

755
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 2: you know, like Fred was like joking, well you know

756
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 2: the camp. It wasn't exactly known for his like football IQ,

757
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 2: even though I think that that's not necessarily true, but

758
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 2: like that, I think the bigger one to me to

759
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 2: prove the point in Indianapolis during Peyton Manning's career, Yeah,

760
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: guess who called the protectionsday, Jeff Saturday. It wasn't Peyton.

761
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: Peyton called audibles, right, that's different. He didn't call protections.

762
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 2: The center called the protections. So you have a center

763
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: and David Andrews, he's probably the best leader on this

764
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: team right now, honestly, besides maybe Matthew Slater and and

765
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 2: just a knows this offense inside and out and has

766
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 2: played ten years of football. And you have a second

767
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: year quarterback calling their protections instead of the center. It

768
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any logical sense, right,

769
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 2: And this team has just continued to operate like they have,

770
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: like they had, Like their quarterback is just gonna do

771
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: what Brady did because it's so easy.

772
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: Again, Tom Brady was a supercomputer. That's just you're not

773
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: gonna get somebody who will see the game the way

774
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: he saw. It's never gonna happen again. Yeah, And if

775
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: you're probably not gonna get anybody close. And that's the difference.

776
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I just really worry about this. I

777
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: don't need to rant anymore about it. I just really

778
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: worry about what's gonna happen next year. Like it's not

779
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: about Bailey's appy, no offense to Bailey's appy. This is

780
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: about Drake May, Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels. Like what are

781
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 2: they gonna do when it's a quarterback like that? What

782
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: are they gonna do when they have to turn the

783
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: page here? And I think when you look at the

784
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: next iteration of the Patriots, if it is a Gerrodmeyo,

785
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: if it is a Mike Rabel, if one of those

786
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: defensive minded head coaches take over this team and they

787
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: keep a guy like Bill O'Brien in the building, what

788
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: is Bill O'Brien gonna do to a app this system?

789
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: Because I think right now, what we're proving is that

790
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: outside of like a little bit of success I would

791
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 2: say in Houston with Deshaun Watson, or a little bit

792
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 2: of success with Mac Jones his rookie year, not a

793
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 2: whole lot of quarterbacks besides, Tom Brady can execute this

794
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 2: scheme elsewhere, Like McDaniel's has brought it to two different places.

795
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: Now he's brought it to Denver.

796
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: Three really, if you're going to count the Rams, I mean,

797
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: that was a disastrous Ran team, but Denver, he's brought

798
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 2: it to Vegas fail fail, right, like Derek Carr fail,

799
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo fail.

800
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 3: Like.

801
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: I get that those guys are not Hall of Fame quarterbacks,

802
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 2: but guess what, You're probably not gonna have a Hall

803
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 2: of Fame quarterback like that. They don't grow on trees, right,

804
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: and so eventually you're gonna have to have a system

805
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: that mere mortals, not Tom Brady, mere mortals can execute.

806
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 2: And it doesn't really seem like that's possible.

807
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: Especially not when you're not investing in other positions on offense.

808
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's do three up, three down real quick.

809
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: Then we'll get to the phones. Let's say, let's talk

810
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: about some positives, let's talk about some upsight. So I

811
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: think we said we were going to retire Christian Barmore,

812
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 2: but I'm not retiring.

813
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: Not retiring. It was just like it's it's I'm not

814
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: just he's he's an you tweeted during the game. Another

815
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: great game by Christian Barmore. Yeah, he's just having games.

816
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 1: He's he's not having great games anymore. He's a great

817
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: player that's having games.

818
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: He is a dominant player right now. So in this

819
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: game he was my number one up. I don't think

820
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: it's close. Four quarterback pressures, three stuffs, just unbelievably effective

821
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: in this game. I think what stands out the most

822
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: is obviously just like his brute force and strength off

823
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 2: the ball, just blowing guys up. What I think is

824
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: nice too, is that recently, like in this game especially,

825
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: I thought they did a really nice job with this.

826
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: They they didn't have him go against Joe Toney too

827
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 2: often because like why bother right, So they put him

828
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: on Tray Smith, the Chiefs right guard, and he just

829
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 2: a Tray Smiths lunch Like. He just was unbelievably good

830
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 2: against Tray Smith. Dominated that matchup. And he just continues

831
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: to be the best player on the field for them

832
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 2: every single week. He he excellent against the run, against

833
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: the pass, He's a three down player. He's one of

834
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: the best interior defenders in the league now. I mean

835
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: he's not quite Chris Jones Aaron Donald type level yet,

836
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: but I think he's probably top ten ish in the

837
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: league this year in defensive tackles, and he's been just

838
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 2: phenomenal and a guy that you look at that you

839
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 2: hope that they can build him around moving forward.

840
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was excellent again, absolutely all right, guys here

841
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: number one. I thought we were just kind of putting

842
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: him in the ups Hunter Henry. I thought Hunter Henry

843
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: did an excellent job in this game of you know,

844
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about how Travis Kelcey has that

845
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: real knack for just maybe not running his route but

846
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: finding the opening and the coverage and getting there. Yeah.

847
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: I thought Hunter Henry did a lot of that in

848
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: this game.

849
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of really good routes against man cover.

850
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was getting himself open, he was getting easy windows.

851
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: He was catching the ball. Even though yeah, I thought

852
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: Zamp he might have thrown him a couple of hospital balls,

853
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: he was still willing to go over the middle, take

854
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: the hit, make the catch. All that he's the last

855
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: two weeks he's played his best football this season. I

856
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 1: thought he was really good. Yeah.

857
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: I I well hope, first of all, I hope the

858
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: knees fine. I mean, like, you know, the next three

859
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 2: games really don't matter too much. But in terms of

860
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 2: the future with Hunter Henry, I think he's a really

861
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: really strong candidate to be retained.

862
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: In some I think he should be, not just because

863
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: he's a good player. You need tight ends, but yeah,

864
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a transition on offense and having some

865
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: sort of continuity, a veteran in the league, a veteran

866
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: in the building. I think there's value in that. Now

867
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: does he want to come back as another question, but

868
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: if the patrims he'll come. Yeah.

869
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: So I think the two things you know there too

870
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: are like, first of all, Mika Sicki's a free agent.

871
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 2: Pharaoh Brown I believe is a free agent. Ye, So

872
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: you have to have some continuity in that room. And

873
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 2: if we also look at it and say rookie tight ends,

874
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: they sometimes they flash every once in a while, like

875
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 2: in a Blue Moon you get a Sam Laporta who's

876
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: really really good right out of the gate. But for

877
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 2: the most part, tight ends have a difficult time acclimating

878
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: to the NFL. They don't come out like gangbusters usually Statistically,

879
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: they're actually probably the worst position for translating immediately, like

880
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of production, So relying on rookie

881
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: tight ends next year is not the way to go,

882
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: so they I think you have to have some continuity Hunter.

883
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: Henry and a rookie. I think that's a good Yeah.

884
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, if you're completely revamping that room and

885
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: you don't bring Hunter Henry back and it's two rookies

886
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: or something like that, I don't think Yeah, no.

887
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: No, no. Devin Ociazzi's Talton Keene plan again. Right right, Okay,

888
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that, but I would like to

889
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: see them draft like table. They should have drafted one

890
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: last year. Right yeah, Well, another good tight end class.

891
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: But franchise tag? How do you feel about the franchise tags?

892
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: Franchise tag for tight end?

893
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: I looked it up a couple of weeks ago. It's

894
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: it's not as it's not terrible because it's one of

895
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: those it's one of the positions that's still a.

896
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: Little bit valued to teams. Yeah, franchise I'm just trying

897
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: to think, because you're not going to franchise Jennings as

898
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: much as I want Tom back, because that's what you're

899
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: not gonna pay them that much, is not going to

900
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: get it. I don't think Kyle Duggar gets it at

901
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: this point. So the franchise tag for tight ends in

902
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. They obviously don't know the twenty four

903
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: cap yet, so it was eleven point three. So you

904
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: think it's probably gonna go up a little bit, you know,

905
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: but it's all right, twelve thirteen, it's all relative to

906
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: what's what's the oh it's in all it's okay, I

907
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: got projected. Okay, twelve point three. That's a little high,

908
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 1: but they have money to spend. Yeah, what's they split

909
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: offense and uh guard? They stopped splitting guard tackle, center, right,

910
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: it's just an offensive line, just oh line okay, yeah,

911
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: and it's a lot. It's twenty one point As appropriate

912
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: as that is for Mike O and WINU, you're probably

913
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,479
Speaker 1: not gonna tag him at that timber. Yeah, I mean yeah,

914
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: Henry's probably as strong as candidate as anybody.

915
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. So uh right, now, projected tight end, yeah, is

916
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 2: the lowest projected tag outside of special teams. So it's right,

917
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: running back and tight end like one hundred thousand dollars apart.

918
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 1: Okay, but what's safety? Safety is seventeen point two?

919
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: Wow, So it's safety running back, tight end special.

920
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, I wouldn't I don't think you even

921
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: dug seventeen million dollars now. No, especially, we're gonna get

922
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: to this in a second, Okay, especially now. Yeah, Henry's

923
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: probably the best candidate, so I'd rather just pay him, yeah,

924
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 1: and maybe use the tag to get a deal done.

925
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's probably the most likely candidate at this point.

926
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I maybe Miguel's listening. But there are some

927
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 2: something there's some like there's like a rule about it's

928
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 2: the tag for Hunter Henry is technically a pay decrease, right,

929
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: Like it's he's losing money from what he's currently making.

930
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: So it might be one hundred and twenty five percent

931
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: of the tag for him.

932
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: I know this thirteen million.

933
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know this rule exists, but I'm I'm not

934
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: able to articulate it.

935
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: Great, and that's on me.

936
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: But they because it's a it's a pay decrease, right,

937
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: because it's a pay cut is the better way to

938
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: put that. I do think that he gets an inflated

939
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: number of the franchise tag, Okay, but it's still not

940
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 2: gonna be It's still gonna be in the ballpark of

941
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: what he's making now, is my point, right, So I

942
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: think it's it's worth talking about also because he's played

943
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 2: a lot of football and he's had some injuries in

944
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: his past, so not giving him like a long term

945
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: extension and then you basically bridge it. Right, he's the

946
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 2: tight end, starting tight end for twenty twenty four. You

947
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 2: draft a couple of guys and then hopefully you're passing

948
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 2: the torch in twenty twenty five to the younger guys,

949
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 2: and that's sort of the plan. All right, So Hunter,

950
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 2: Henry Christian Barmore, who's your other one?

951
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,479
Speaker 1: Well, I had two more because I thought we weren't

952
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: putting bar more. Devonte Parker, Yeah, he was all right

953
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: in this game. I thought Ryan routs as hard as

954
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: he has all the year. Yeah, Toad a good job

955
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: getting himself open. There was that one play in the

956
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: first half where Zappi gets flushed out of the pocket,

957
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: kind of has to like hook shot a pass. Yeah,

958
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,959
Speaker 1: as he's got two defenders in his face, it's gonna

959
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: come up short. Parker's got two defenders on him, he

960
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: still works his way back to the ball, muscles through

961
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: both of them to make the catch. It's like that, Yes,

962
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: when they traded for him, that's the guy you thought

963
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: you were getting it. He has always been that guy,

964
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: so I I, you know, not the best. I just

965
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: wanted to highlight him. I thought he played one of

966
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: his better games of the year.

967
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: It was fine. Yeah, I never said I was so.

968
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: I know, you're right. I never said put his jersey

969
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: in the hall. You're no, You're right about this game.

970
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: I'm just so out on DeVante Parker.

971
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: And I am as a whole too, But you know,

972
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: fair being fair. I found the way I do this

973
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: is kind of like how many times during a game

974
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: did I see a.

975
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: Player he also had to play on the sack that

976
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: Chris Jones had where he beat Connor McDermott, Parker was

977
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: wide open.

978
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, if the protection there were just a on It's

979
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: really just there were I felt like there were a

980
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: number of times in this camera like who's that? That's

981
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: what opened per who's that Parker?

982
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 2: They also so they keep they run this off play action,

983
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: running all that the two man route combinations off play action,

984
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: and he keeps running like this big host corner and

985
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: he's had the leverage on the safety a couple of times,

986
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: but they the quarterbacks just don't trust it. Like and

987
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: like I wonder you know, it's gonna be probably more

988
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: of like a jump ball. Ultimately once it gets there,

989
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: the safety is probably gonna close, and you'd be but

990
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: that's Devonte Parker's game, right, So if he's got the

991
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: leverage and he's got like a step on the on

992
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: the safety coming you know into the boundary into the sideline,

993
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: if you put it up there and kind of balloon

994
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: it a little bit and put it up there for him, like,

995
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 2: he should be able to make that catch one on

996
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: one down the field, and they just don't have a

997
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: quarterback that trusted to rip it.

998
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so all right, next one. Actually, so I had four.

999
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: One's a very minor one. But Kevin Harris, Yeah, I

1000
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: really good run. I just like and this is the

1001
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: kind of thing that they love, right. Yeah, he was

1002
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: on the practice squad all year. He probably wasn't involved

1003
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: much in the game plan. You know, they were never

1004
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: going to elevate him. They had so much running back depth.

1005
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: He was here to be a scout team player all

1006
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: of that. But keeps himself ready, gets elevated last week,

1007
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: doesn't play, comes in this week, has a big run

1008
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: that should have opened the door for a potential shot

1009
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: to comeback. Obviously they sat on the ball late in

1010
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: the game, but good job. Minor thing, but that's they

1011
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: look at that kind of thing, like, hey, you know,

1012
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: it's December whatever, it was, December fifteenth, sixteenth. We haven't

1013
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: called on you all year. We finally do now when

1014
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: you are ready, Like, good, good job to him.

1015
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1016
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: My third reel up was Bailey zappy in the first half. Okay,

1017
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you can see where I'm going with that.

1018
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: Such a this is such a classic bar I know.

1019
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: But like I know, I thought he had a good

1020
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: first half.

1021
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: He's moving away seventeen for nineteen. He definitely had a

1022
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: good first half.

1023
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: The biggest thing with him that I was wondering coming

1024
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: into this game, and we talked about this on the

1025
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: last show, was he was going to have to make

1026
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: throws with unblocked defender's hands in his face closing in

1027
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: on him. And he did that multiple times in the

1028
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: first half. Yeah, that is exciting because mac Jones hadn't

1029
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: done that since probably week three. Yeah, so to see

1030
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: him do that and he did it for half was great.

1031
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: Okay, So I have two more technically, but it's I

1032
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 2: combine them into one person because I feel like that

1033
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: what the Patriots have done with this Anthony Jennings and

1034
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 2: Mac Wilson. Anthony Jennings plays on first and second down,

1035
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: Mac Wilson plays on third down, and they both play

1036
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 2: they play the same spot. Right. Wj's over there, playing permanently,

1037
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: right like he's out there, Anthony Jennings against the run.

1038
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: I don't think that it's an exaggeration or harperbole to

1039
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: say that he's one of the better edge setting run

1040
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,479
Speaker 2: defenders that they've had in like a long freaking time.

1041
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: Like this guy is actually really freaking good at setting

1042
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 2: the end of the defense. He can't rush the passer

1043
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: very well, it's not really his game, but if you're

1044
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 2: just looking for a guy to set the edge on

1045
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 2: first and second down, he's terrific. Like he's unbelievably good,

1046
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 2: Like he's unblockable in the run game. It's crazy. He

1047
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: had three more stuffs in this game against the run,

1048
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: Like he's just a maniac against the run. And then

1049
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 2: I thought mac Wilson was really really good rushing the

1050
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: passer in this game. Had the two sacks, one of

1051
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: them kind of closing the pocket from the interior, which

1052
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: I thought was sort of their plan against Mahomes. I

1053
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 2: think they were much more worried about him stepping through

1054
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 2: the pocket than scrambling out the back door. So they

1055
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 2: really brought the pressure off the edges and then tried

1056
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 2: to close the middle of the pocket. Did that once

1057
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: really effectively, and then he also had the edge of

1058
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: pressure oft you know, at the end of the game

1059
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: on the sack as well. So I thought mac Wilson's

1060
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 2: got some juice definitely in the pass rush. And I

1061
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 2: think Anthony Jennings is just on like a heater really

1062
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 2: since he took over for Matthew Judon against the run.

1063
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 2: I don't think it's sequins as I wrote about Anthony

1064
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: Jennings last week that their run defense is number one

1065
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: in the league and everything, because Anthony Jennings is playing

1066
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 2: a lot more and he's doing what he's doing.

1067
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: You know.

1068
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: Obviously God Show has had a good year, bar Mores

1069
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 2: had a terrific year. But I think Anthony Jennings in

1070
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: some ways is a better run defender than Matthew Judon.

1071
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 2: I know that sounds crazy because Matthew Judon is a

1072
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl player and probably their best football player over

1073
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 2: the last three years. But I think just in terms

1074
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 2: of discipline, you know, physicality, setting the edge, technique, instincts, awareness.

1075
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 2: I think he's just a better run defender than Judon.

1076
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: Is nowhere near as much of a splash player as

1077
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: Judon obviously, but a much better run defender in some respects.

1078
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 2: And I think that's why they're so good.

1079
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: I guess they run part of it. Yeah.

1080
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 2: So those are my three and a half ups or

1081
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 2: four ups if you want to call it that. Let's

1082
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 2: get to the downs. Who's your number one down?

1083
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: My number one down on this game was the the

1084
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: Bailey's apping the second half. I had two written down,

1085
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: but I forgot I was gonna do like first half,

1086
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: second half, back to back. Just wasn't good. Just wasn't good.

1087
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: Got flustered, got sped up, wasn't seeing the field right,

1088
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: all of it. Yeah, just not not great.

1089
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 2: It was not good. He didn't make either of my

1090
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 2: list because I thought he was enough in the middle,

1091
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: because you know, you kind of even out right, but uh,

1092
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: in the second half of this game.

1093
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: You're you're right.

1094
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: I I more had issues with him from a processing

1095
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: like mental standpoint. I thought he missed some blitzes pre snap.

1096
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 2: I thought he wasn't really seeing the field particularly well,

1097
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 2: I just said that, Yeah, I know, I'm agreeing with you.

1098
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 2: I didn't really think that like the throws were like

1099
00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 2: you know that he was actually making It wasn't like

1100
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 2: he was like erratic, you know, I know the pop

1101
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: Douglas one was bad.

1102
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. But that to me, I don't think

1103
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: he missed. I think that was more he was sped

1104
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 1: up and just chucks the ball like that was more

1105
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: that to me, felm like a product of oh crap,

1106
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: I gonna get this ball out of my hand, just

1107
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: you know, get rid of it, compared to like, oh,

1108
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: he was trying to hit a spot and he missed it.

1109
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that that play is indicative of so

1110
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: many different things. Like, first of all, the protection's awful, right,

1111
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 2: you know, Chris Jones splits David Andrews and City so

1112
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 2: right up the middle of the line of scrimmage, like

1113
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 2: what are you gonna do?

1114
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: Uh?

1115
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: The route combination works, but there's no protection, and then

1116
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks flushed and then they don't have a quarterback

1117
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,439
Speaker 2: that can win off platforms. Right, So like you could

1118
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: kind of put a half on each, right, I put

1119
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 2: a half on Bailey's apply not being able to make

1120
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 2: that throw and I put a half on the line,

1121
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: not being able to protect my number one down in

1122
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 2: this game?

1123
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: Is Kyle Duggar. I thought this was the worst game

1124
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger's played as a Patriot. It was.

1125
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: It was that bad. I don't know what it is

1126
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 2: if he isn't as locked in. You know, he's a

1127
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: free agent at the end of the year Team three

1128
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,479
Speaker 2: and eleven. I wonder if he's starting to think about

1129
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: the offseason a little bit, you know, think about free

1130
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 2: agency a little bit, or maybe this is just a

1131
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: bad matchup for him against Kansas City, a team that

1132
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 2: plays in space, a team that has a lot of

1133
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 2: speed on the field and puts him in coverage binds

1134
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 2: and kind of forces him to sit in zone and

1135
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: read things out and be disciplined and things like that.

1136
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 2: Is his man on the screen, the forty eight yard screen.

1137
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 2: Two third down plays. It was his zone that he

1138
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 2: didn't One he didn't plaster the zone. The other he

1139
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: got pulled out by Mahomes' eye eyes, you know, falling

1140
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: Mahomes's eyes too much. He was awful in this game.

1141
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: And I think that when you start to look at

1142
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 2: it from Kyle Dugger. You know when we talk about

1143
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: again spinning it forward, do you re sign Kyle Duggar.

1144
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 2: I still think Kyle Duggar makes a lot of really

1145
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: good football plays and some plays that I really feel

1146
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 2: that it's a great comparison, I think. But Dard was

1147
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: the first one to make this comparison. He is to

1148
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,959
Speaker 2: safeties as Jamie Collins was to linebackers, Like he makes

1149
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 2: these splash plays that are these ridiculous physical freak type

1150
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 2: of plays. But then he also has a lot of

1151
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 2: plays that he gives up. And in this game he

1152
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 2: was given up a lot of plays. I had him

1153
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: for one hundred and eleven yards given up in coverage.

1154
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 2: That's that's brutally bad. So Kyle Duggar, big one, big

1155
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 2: l for him in this game. What do you think

1156
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: about his future here?

1157
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: I think I've said this in the past, I'm still

1158
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: kind of I'm not saying bringing him back would be

1159
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: the worst idea. Yeah, but I think you have a

1160
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: guy in Jabrill Peppers who's playing that box safety position

1161
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: at a very very high level. Yeah, you're going to

1162
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: need a free safety, a true free safety, because Kyle

1163
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: Dugger can't do it, and Peppers kind of can, but

1164
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: put him where he makes the most plays, which is

1165
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: in the box. I would rather instead of having these

1166
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: two box safeties and now apparently Martine mop who's a

1167
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: safety too, although he finally played linebacker this week. But

1168
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: I would rather take the assets he would use, whether

1169
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: it's a draft pick, whether it's uh, you know, well,

1170
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: obviously it'd be money with Kyle Dugger, but I would

1171
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: rather take you know, that investment and put it into

1172
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: getting a true free safety to pair with Jabrell Peppers

1173
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: and just get less redundant and more diverse on the

1174
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. I couldn't all right, what

1175
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: do you have next? The run game? Yeah, and Bill

1176
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: kind of talked about this yesterday. They had they ran

1177
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: the ball really well for about three or four weeks there,

1178
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: and the last two weeks teams just kind of said,

1179
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: all right, fine, yeah, we're gonna put it in the box.

1180
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: And this has been the late season Patriots the last

1181
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: three or four year. I mean really going back to

1182
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: Cam Newton year, I remember they would because they would

1183
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: run the ball well, and teams would basically say, fine,

1184
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna go all out to stop. It was it

1185
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: was it the Cam Newton ear Max first year. Remember

1186
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 1: they the late season game against the Bills. It would

1187
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: have been Max year because it was Nelson. They put

1188
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: Nelson at the X wide. Yeah, and they have ten

1189
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: guys essentially in the offensive box. They have like a

1190
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: wide receiver and tight I forget it was two tight

1191
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,919
Speaker 1: ends or running back in a full back whatever. Yeah.

1192
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: And the Bills had one corner and man out on

1193
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: Nelson agalor one deep safety and then ten in the box. Yeah,

1194
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: and it's like nine in the nine in the box.

1195
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: I suck him at at at what? At what point? Yeah?

1196
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: You have to give them a reason to not do that. Yeah,

1197
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 1: and right now, So when I say the run game,

1198
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,479
Speaker 1: I don't know it was set up for them to fail. Yeah,

1199
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: it was set up for them to feel because they

1200
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: are facing these heavy boxes. But either they've got to

1201
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: find a way to make it work against that, or

1202
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: they gotta start throwing the football because teams are gonna

1203
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: dare them to throw it. Teams are not gonna let

1204
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: them run the ball anymore.

1205
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I a couple of things on the run game.

1206
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 2: You know, I've been critical of Duo in their run.

1207
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 2: Their run game scheme and how they've been trying to

1208
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 2: run the ball pretty much all year. Yeah, and they

1209
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 2: in this game, the Chiefs said, all right, we know

1210
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: you're going to try a double team duo, you know,

1211
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 2: two double teams on the in tier. We're gonna move

1212
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage with the double teams. We know

1213
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 2: that you're gonna you're gonna run duo. Uh So what

1214
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: we're gonna do is we're gonna run blitz you. We're

1215
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: gonna put a linebacker in the A gap and then

1216
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 2: we're gonna blitz the weak side safety because we know

1217
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: that you were gonna have to come off your double

1218
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 2: teams now to pick up all of the the unblocked guys.

1219
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 2: And that now, so now you're your double teams have dissipated,

1220
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 2: and now you have no movement in the middle of

1221
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. And that's done.

1222
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: Just blew it up, like that's it. That's all we

1223
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: can do now.

1224
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: To the Bill O'Brien's credit, I did think that what

1225
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 2: they started to do was they started to run r

1226
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 2: pos because they were like, all right, if you're gonna

1227
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 2: run blitz and you're gonna put all these guys in

1228
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 2: the box like we're gonna have the the past you

1229
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 2: know game attached to it so that Bailey can just

1230
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 2: flip it out to a screen. And they did hit

1231
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: that Pop Douglas screen eleven yards and then the Kevin

1232
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 2: Harris run came right after that, right, they kind of

1233
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 2: sequenced together some r p os to to get that touchdown.

1234
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: But I thought that Zappi in this game actually missed

1235
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: a couple of pass reads in the RPO game, which

1236
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,479
Speaker 2: hurt them. And I just think that they're that's really

1237
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 2: their only counter to it. And I wish that they

1238
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: had more of a diverse run game, where like they

1239
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 2: could run a different scheme, like just let's just not

1240
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: run duo, right, like, let's run if you're gonna you know,

1241
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 2: run blitz or slant or whatever, you know, let's run counter,

1242
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 2: let's run toss. Let's run something to the to the

1243
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 2: to the you know, off the tackle and take advantage

1244
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,439
Speaker 2: of that kind of aggressiveness. And they just haven't really

1245
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 2: been doing that frequently. So everybody knows that they're coming

1246
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 2: in and running duo. The whole world knows it, right,

1247
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: and they have this program to beat it now in

1248
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 2: terms of the run blitzes. The Steelers did the exact

1249
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 2: same thing, and it's a it's a bootprint, you know,

1250
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 2: it's a it's a book. The book is out, you know,

1251
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: on on how they're trying to run the ball. And

1252
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 2: you know, when they ran the ball well against the Colts,

1253
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 2: like those games that they ran the ball that you

1254
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 2: were talking about, the Colts were in lighter boxes. They

1255
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: were they weren't really prepared for it very well. And

1256
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 2: uh and they were would have run it. But in

1257
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 2: these last couple of games, teams have been ready for it.

1258
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 2: I also had a Zeke Elliott on my downs. I

1259
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 2: guess you can combine it into your run game thing,

1260
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 2: but my mi grite more was Zeke is in pass protection.

1261
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 2: I actually think Zeke's been bad in pass protection. Yeah,

1262
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: and this has been something that they kind of touted

1263
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 2: as a reason to sign this player, right like, oh,

1264
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 2: well he's a really good pass blocker. This is going

1265
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: to be a puss, you know, pass game player because

1266
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: of that. Uh he in my you know, Chardon gave

1267
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 2: up four quarterback pressures in this game, a sack in

1268
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 2: three hurries. And I thought that a couple of the

1269
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 2: blitz is that they had especially you know, Zapi kind

1270
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 2: of fell on the sword for him on the corner

1271
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: blitz that led to the sack. But I thought that

1272
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 2: a really really good pass game back is able to

1273
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: see that, right, Like he looks inside, they kind of

1274
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: bag they like mugget, and then they blitz the corner

1275
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: and he he looks inside and they they drop off

1276
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 2: on the interior, right, they don't bring the pressure from

1277
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 2: the interior. So experience, like really good pass blocking back

1278
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 2: like Zeke, you would think his eyes would go outside, right,

1279
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 2: like okay, where you know, Du'll read it, like where's

1280
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 2: my next reading this? He you know missed it, I

1281
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 2: think in that instance. So four quarterback pressures allowed in

1282
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 2: this game for Zeke. I don't think he's really been

1283
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 2: very good in the past protection game just kind of

1284
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 2: all year, Like I think it's been up and down

1285
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 2: for him in that regard.

1286
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd say especially the last few weeks. Yeah.

1287
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 2: I wonder how much of it though, is him transitioning,

1288
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 2: Like maybe they were asking him to read it differently

1289
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 2: in Dallas and now it's a new system and he's

1290
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: got to learn a new.

1291
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: SNES and I we talked about the complications of the

1292
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: blocking in this system and all of that.

1293
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Speaker 2: So last one for me, just adding on top of

1294
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 2: the pass protection, citysow Connor McDermott, Cole Strange, David Andrews,

1295
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 2: Mike Onwenu, the entire offensive line. I'm putting the entire

1296
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 2: offensive line on the list. The entire offensive line gave

1297
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 2: up a forty eight percent pressure rate for the entire game.

1298
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 2: They had a sixty two percent press in the second

1299
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 2: half of this game. Sixty two percent. Not unsustainable, like

1300
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 2: not playable, Like can't do anything with that, can't do

1301
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 2: absolutely anything with that.

1302
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 3: Uh.

1303
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 2: They they had struggles picking up stunts. They had struggles

1304
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 2: picking up blitz. Is any sort of like post snap

1305
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 2: line movement, whether it's like a stunt or it's a

1306
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 2: blitz or whatever, anything post snap that the defense does

1307
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 2: that they're not expecting pre snap.

1308
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: They can't pick it up.

1309
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: They have no awareness, they have no eyes up, they

1310
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 2: have none of it. It's terrible. It's I just I

1311
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 2: had that piece of it. I just can't get it.

1312
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 2: Can't get my head around. And Cities in this game

1313
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 2: allowed four hurries, four quarterback pressures. Him and Zeke tied

1314
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 2: for the most. And all of it is online movement

1315
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 2: and it's been the same thing for him for like

1316
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 2: a month, and so you have to start to wonder,

1317
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 2: you know, where's the coaching right, Like, where's you know,

1318
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 2: I know Adrian Clem's not here, you know, so Billy

1319
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 2: Yates is you got to coach him up in these situations.

1320
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 2: He's got to be more aware for the games, like

1321
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 2: the stunts up front. He's got to be better at.

1322
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: It, all right, I have two more downs, yep. So

1323
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: I was gonna say special teams as a whole, yeah,

1324
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: but now the K ball thing. Yeah, Brendan Schooler. Yeah,

1325
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: he's committed more special teams penalties. He's more than two

1326
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 1: entire teams.

1327
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 2: He's a liability.

1328
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: He and his mistackle rate is among the highest for

1329
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: specialists like he he had another mistackle in this game.

1330
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: He had another penalty in this game. He has not

1331
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: been good, No, he just hasn't. He's hurt them more

1332
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: than he's helped them, for sure. And I think that,

1333
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: you know, there's this external belief that he's the heir

1334
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: apparent to Matthew Slater is kind of the leader of

1335
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: the special teams, you know, what their top gunner, all

1336
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: of that they might need to find somebody else. Yeah,

1337
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: that's just he's taken a big step back this year.

1338
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 2: What I've noticed with him, you know, he seems like

1339
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 2: a little bit like a hothead, like he like, I

1340
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 2: feel like he's constantly and I feel like his emotions

1341
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 2: are getting the best of motor runs a little too high, Yeah,

1342
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 2: a little too high. And he's got it, especially in

1343
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 2: the kicking game where they're really, really, really flag heavy

1344
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 2: in the kicking game as a league because of how

1345
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 2: dangerous the kicking game is. They if you're the guy

1346
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 2: going out there that's running hot and you know, doing

1347
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 2: all the extracurriculars and all this kind of stuff, like

1348
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 2: you're gonna get flagged.

1349
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: Like that's just that's the league. You're gonna get flagged.

1350
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 2: I think that he's physically very capable of being a

1351
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 2: good special teamers, but he's got to figure it out

1352
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 2: in terms of it's.

1353
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: It's it's heat. It needs to slow down for him

1354
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: because he's committing these penalties, he's missing these tackles, he's

1355
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,919
Speaker 1: his his mouth going faster than his brain kind of thing, right, Yeah,

1356
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: and he's just got to take us to you know,

1357
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: take a deep breath and and figure it all out

1358
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: my other down. And I know this is kind of controversial,

1359
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: but the coaching at the end of the game. Yeah,

1360
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: and I get it. People want the tank and all

1361
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, you have four minutes to go in

1362
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 1: a ten point game. Get down the field, get down

1363
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: the and and I know, yes, you're on the half

1364
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: yard line. I get why they ran it on the

1365
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: first play. Yeah, you want to, you know, especially with

1366
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: the way the offer line was playing. But yeah, and

1367
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: even if you want to run it a second time,

1368
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: which Bill O'Brien said, hurry up. They they fully huddled. Yeah,

1369
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: And it's not so much the play call, it's the

1370
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: lack of regard for the clock. And even at the

1371
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: end of the game when the Chiefs kneeled out on

1372
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: fourth down, which I don't know that I've seen that before,

1373
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: a knee on fourth down with that much time left

1374
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: to give the ball back in a ten point game,

1375
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: which like was the game over? Yes, but also big

1376
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: play touchdown on side kick. Now you just need a

1377
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: field goal. I know I'm asking for a lot, but

1378
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like the game wasn't over. The she said, fine,

1379
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: go ahead, do it, do it?

1380
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 2: They and it was. And I know they didn't actually communicate,

1381
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 2: because you can't. That's not possible really, But like it's

1382
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 2: almost like Bill like waved a little white flag like

1383
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 2: on his sideline and Andy Reid was like, all right,

1384
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 2: well I'll kneel it because he's just gonna kneel it too.

1385
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: Well. I think that's what the previous Drive did. Yeah,

1386
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: when they're fully huddling up with four minutes to go

1387
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: in a ten point game and running the football.

1388
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 2: I get people want them to tank and all that.

1389
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 2: I understand, but doesn't sound It doesn't send a good

1390
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 2: message to the team, right.

1391
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: I said this last week. I've written about this. This

1392
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: is something Felger has been so spot on about. You

1393
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: do not want losing to become habitual because these teams

1394
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,439
Speaker 1: that get into that mindset have so much trouble getting

1395
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: out of it. I don't know that bothered me, go

1396
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: try to win the game. I don't remember who the

1397
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: coach was. There's a quote from some famous college football

1398
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: coach that's basically not basically like the quote is when

1399
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: asked about you know, sequencing plays and play design. Every

1400
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: play should be designed and implemented with the idea on offense.

1401
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: Every play should be designed and implemented with the idea

1402
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: it's going to lead to points. Yeah, and maybe that

1403
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: means setting up for a field goal. It's not all.

1404
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that every play should be an eight

1405
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: R touchdown. But outside of Neil downs, at the end

1406
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: of the game, if you're running a play, how is

1407
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: that play helping you score points. I've always felt that

1408
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: with Patriots and Bill Belichick has always been a big

1409
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: run up the score guy, and I love that. I

1410
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: don't criticize teams for running up to score. I think

1411
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah, it's not your job to stop your

1412
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: own offense. This felt like a departure from that, and

1413
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: that bothered me.

1414
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand that. All right, let's get to the calls.

1415
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 2: We've been and these people have been waiting for a

1416
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,919
Speaker 2: long time, just like as an FYI because I feel

1417
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 2: like I do this every single show that we leave

1418
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 2: people on hold for.

1419
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna we'll do three up, three down real quick,

1420
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: forty minutes later. All right, we'll get to the calls.

1421
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 2: First, like forty five minutes to an hour. I kind

1422
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 2: of like treat it like a real podcast, right, like

1423
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,439
Speaker 2: we got takes, we got things to say, like, so really,

1424
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 2: if you're gonna call in, like maybe like wait to

1425
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 2: like the forty five minute mark the call. No, no,

1426
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 2: because like these people have been sitting on hold for

1427
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 2: like over an.

1428
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: They're listening to the show. Clearly, if they're calling in,

1429
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: they like the show. What difference is it to listen

1430
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: on the phone or listen on patriots dot com.

1431
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 2: Arthur called before the show even started. All right, so

1432
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 2: let's see if he's still there. Arthur, are you still there?

1433
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, I didn't think so.

1434
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 2: Patty calls Patty's in Agua. Let's see if Patty's still there.

1435
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: Patty's still there?

1436
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 4: Of course I'm still here.

1437
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's up Patty?

1438
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 4: Hey, I family remembered for one since you guys switched

1439
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 4: your time that just started ten. So I'm glad I

1440
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 4: called in love it guys, but I hope you give

1441
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 4: me a little bit of a buy. And I wanted

1442
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 4: to have a little statement and then throw a little

1443
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 4: hypothetical in a question and maybe end on an absurdity

1444
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 4: for Alex.

1445
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: Okay, and I hope it.

1446
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 4: I'll try and get it, get it in a real

1447
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 4: quick So my statement is, I know I've been negative

1448
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 4: on Belichick, kind of all year, especially after the Cowboys game.

1449
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 4: But I don't I don't underscore any of anything that

1450
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 4: he's done for this franchise. I mean, we got really

1451
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 4: lucky with with him coming here. One first thing, we

1452
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 4: got lucky that he drafted Tom Brady in the sixth round.

1453
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 4: And I don't think I mean, I think Brady would

1454
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 4: have been successful anywhere. Maybe Belichick would have won a

1455
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 4: Super Bowl or two here, but I don't think the

1456
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 4: whole thing would have work the way it did if

1457
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 4: those two weren't together. You know, I'll get Brady more credit,

1458
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 4: you know, because you buy Belichick's on admission players one games,

1459
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 4: coaches losing, and I'm, you know, not taking anything away

1460
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 4: from what he's done, what he's done over the past

1461
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 4: twenty four years. Now that being said, my hypothetical, I'll

1462
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 4: just preface the hypothetical with I don't think he'd be

1463
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 4: going to the Cowboys anyway. Because Jerry Jones is a

1464
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 4: DM like, I couldn't see a scenario. Maybe they would collaborate,

1465
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 4: but I just I don't see that working. I think

1466
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 4: those are two Magga egos. But with the Chargers now

1467
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 4: having a vacancy at their head, coach and just general

1468
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 4: manager hypothetically this and this is going to lead into

1469
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 4: the question for you guys. We get a first round

1470
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 4: pick to the Chargers, so we're picking. We have two

1471
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 4: top ten picks. Would you take a quarterback like one

1472
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 4: of the first two guys, like, let's take Caleb Goes

1473
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 4: number one. Would you take Drake Mayott two if the

1474
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 4: branded that you're you're still there and try and get

1475
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 4: like the know, or would you take Joe all at

1476
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 4: like number three and hopefully you're you're in a good

1477
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 4: position to tick Jate and Daniel. That's the question. And

1478
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 4: the absurdity is Alex, when I heard about your birth

1479
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 4: tender thing, yeah, it brought me back when I was

1480
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:20,799
Speaker 4: a kid back in the nineteen or like early mid eighties,

1481
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,600
Speaker 4: there was a show on TV on Nickelodeon called you

1482
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 4: Can't Do That on Television.

1483
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that and yeah, and there was.

1484
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 4: Birth and he had Bart's Burgers and like his his

1485
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 4: catch line was heard that But uh, yeah, I got

1486
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 4: me thinking, like I gotta like YouTube that and start

1487
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 4: watching some of those old episodes that get a little nostalgic.

1488
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 4: But that's I'll end with that, and I'll probably call

1489
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 4: a PEU later too, guys.

1490
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 2: Sounds good, Patti, I'll talk to you then. Thanks for

1491
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 2: the call. A few things there. One Fred brought off

1492
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 2: the bartender, not me. Great, I did not bring that up.

1493
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 2: And uh, then I also try to quickly move the

1494
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 2: conversation on for you. Okay, just good friend, all right,

1495
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 2: I didn't. I just want that out there.

1496
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: Uh.

1497
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 2: In terms of Patty's suggestion about the Chargers, I would

1498
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 2: be absolutely floored if the Chargers traded the eighth overall

1499
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 2: pick in the draft for Bill Belichick. Like, I just

1500
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 2: I don't see how you could be you could do that.

1501
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 2: I think met the Chargers. Have you seen how the

1502
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 2: Chargers offer it? I just like, that's that's a bridge

1503
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 2: too far from me. Now, what did Chargers trade their

1504
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 2: second round pick for Bill Belichick? And I know people

1505
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 2: are gonna sit there and say, well, what good is that?

1506
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 2: I mean, that's still like the thirty eighth pick or

1507
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 2: the thirty ninth pick in the draft like that.

1508
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: Now, so now you have two.

1509
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 2: Thirty four, thirty three, thirty four, and like thirty nine,

1510
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 2: Like that's a lot of.

1511
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: Caps and you can take those two early seconds, package them,

1512
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: move up back up into the first round, back up

1513
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: into the end of the first round and get a

1514
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 1: tackle like a Marius Mims or.

1515
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 2: Get maybe even get you know, like a neighbors or

1516
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 2: a Roma dunes at that.

1517
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: Or something like that. Yeah, I'm saying I'd still take

1518
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 1: May second that situation. If you do somehow end up

1519
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: with two and eight, Yeah, I'd probably take Joe Alt

1520
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 1: second and then use eight and something to move up

1521
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:10,879
Speaker 1: and get Jane Daniels.

1522
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 2: So here's my other thing. I'm glad that Patty set

1523
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 2: me up for this, and this is I'm not look,

1524
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 2: it's it's December twenty. First, I'm gonna just be honest

1525
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 2: with people. I'm probably gonna change my mind a couple

1526
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 2: times on the quarterbacks. It's gonna happen, all right, I'm

1527
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 2: just gonna tell you that right now. At some point,

1528
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 2: I'm really going to try to be like consistent and

1529
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 2: just say, like you know, post combine, like March first,

1530
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 2: like this is my take, this is my ranking, and

1531
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 2: I'm not moving off of it. You put something in

1532
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 2: my head about Drake May, and it's it's your fault.

1533
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 2: This is your fault for telling me this comp and

1534
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 2: it's I blame you for it and I can unsee

1535
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 2: it now and it's changed my whole perspective on life

1536
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 2: with the draft. So you to and I want to

1537
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 2: make sure I get this right because I don't want

1538
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 2: people to yell at you and come at you. You

1539
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 2: you and like to do and I like to do

1540
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 2: it with you, floor and ceiling right. Because best case scenario,

1541
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 2: worst case, best case scenario, worst case scenario for a prospect.

1542
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 2: I think Drake May's best case scenario is justin herbs.

1543
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 2: I still think that. I still think that's a worst

1544
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 2: case scenario. And this, this really is where you got

1545
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 2: me real bad worst case scenario Daniel Jones.

1546
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's still gonna be athletic enough that there's

1547
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: always gonna be a little bit of a threat there

1548
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: with that. But if he doesn't start making better decisions,

1549
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the only threat. Yeah.

1550
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 2: I've told you my other thing with Daniel chances not

1551
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 2: it's not a bad comp in terms of like if

1552
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 2: it doesn't work.

1553
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: Out, you know, I think with Drake May, there's there's

1554
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 1: three ways I've talked about Drake May. Yeah, And I

1555
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: keep coming up with all these new ways to describe

1556
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: him because I don't know why. He's very easy for

1557
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: me to describe in these analogies. I've told you the

1558
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 1: one where if we were going to list out all

1559
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: the traits yep, like individual traits you're looking for in quarterbacks, arm, talent,

1560
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: you know, ability, uh, process, you know, processing all that.

1561
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: I don't think Drake May would be number one in

1562
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 1: terms of the quarterbacks in this class. Drake May does

1563
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: not have one trait that is the best in this class,

1564
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: but he's probably second or third on all of them.

1565
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 2: Right, So some of his parts he's the most well

1566
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 2: rounded prospect, but nothing that he does. And I say this,

1567
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 2: you know, this is kind of my take on it.

1568
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 1: I've watched a little bit more about his carrying trait

1569
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,679
Speaker 1: that he's not bad at anything like right actly, it's

1570
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 1: it's which is weird. The other thing I've said about

1571
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: Drake May.

1572
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 2: I guess it to be fair to Drake May because

1573
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 2: I don't want this to come off like I'm trashing

1574
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 2: Drake May. And I'm not totally out on him as

1575
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 2: a prospect. But my concern with Drake May when I

1576
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 2: watch him is that I don't necessarily watch him and

1577
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 2: see special like I don't watch him and say, that's

1578
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 2: that trait, that throw that play. Now, the throw against

1579
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 2: Clemson was special. Yeah, but that throw was to an

1580
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 2: open receiver where he had the ability to kind of

1581
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 2: put some Mayor under the ball. He didn't need to

1582
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 2: really like throw it with a ton of velocity, right,

1583
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 2: But that was a special play right on the whole.

1584
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 2: When I watch him play, I'm just kind of like, yeah,

1585
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 2: he's good, But I'm not like, oh my god, well.

1586
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 1: Because I think, and this is my second thing about

1587
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: Drake may I do think he has all the tools

1588
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:30,639
Speaker 1: in his back. I think he's got Again, he doesn't

1589
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: have the best arm in the draft, but he's got

1590
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: an impressive arm. Yeah, he's not the most mobile, but

1591
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 1: he can be mobile.

1592
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1593
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he sees the field the best, but

1594
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 1: when he knows what he's looking at, I think he

1595
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 1: does a very good job of picking a defense. Part

1596
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: the problem is he he has a full toolbox, but

1597
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: he's trying to hammer in a nail with power drill. Yeah,

1598
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: and he's using the level to try to screw and

1599
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: his screw right, and he's you or the golf version

1600
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: of it, he's hitting driver off the deck from one

1601
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 1: hundred yards out and then second shot on a you know,

1602
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: five hundred and twenty yard part five, he's bringing out

1603
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:01,679
Speaker 1: the pitching wedge like all the clubs are in his bag,

1604
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 1: but dude, use them, use them right like and and

1605
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 1: that to me goes to coaching. I think if you

1606
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: have a coaching staff that knows what they're doing with

1607
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 1: quarterback development, he can hit that justin Herbert's ceiling because

1608
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna tell him, hey, this is where you throw

1609
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 1: off your back foot, and this is where you know,

1610
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 1: this is where you throw a touch passes where you

1611
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: throw a bullet pass. Because he's so inconsistent with that stuff.

1612
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: The third analogy I have for Drake May, I'm curious

1613
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 1: what you think of this one case. This is really

1614
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: outside the box. Think about a house, right, Caleb Williams.

1615
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: We're comparing quarterbacks to houses. Caleb Williams. The kind of

1616
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: house he is, you know, big nice house. You sign

1617
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 1: on the dotted line. You're moving in day one, like

1618
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 1: you're you got a house, Drake May. You're buying the

1619
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 1: plot and you're buying all the materials to build the house.

1620
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 1: But you have to build the house right, And I

1621
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 1: think there is upside there because a lot of it.

1622
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm not a very good builder. A lot, well, a

1623
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 1: lot of the quarterbacks, we can't trust me.

1624
01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 2: You can't trust me with anything.

1625
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: A lot of the quarter Could you build up a quarterback?

1626
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: Could you build up an offense around a quarterback?

1627
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 2: I like it stresses so hard to build up by

1628
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 2: Kia furniture.

1629
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 1: I love building it. That's actually so relaxing to me.

1630
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: I just put some music on, have a drink, start

1631
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 1: putting together. I love putting together at Kea furniture because

1632
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 1: I'm weird. But the thing is, I think a lot

1633
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks in this class, and this isn't necessarily

1634
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 1: a bad thing. This is just the way it is.

1635
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 1: You're drafting Caleb may to uh, we're gonna it's December

1636
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: twenty first, it's a long way. You're drafting Caleb Williams, Yeah,

1637
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 1: to play in a certain style of offense. I'm not

1638
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 1: saying there's one specific scheme, but he's You're You're you're

1639
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 1: building the offense around Caleb Williams, Right, Jayden Daniels, you're

1640
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 1: drafting to play put in a certain system or one

1641
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: or two different systems. Michael Pennox bow nicks On and on. Yeah,

1642
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 1: I think you could put Drake May in just about

1643
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 1: any system because he is so raw. Yeah, not raw,

1644
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: but like muldible multible. They're right, he's clay. So you

1645
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 1: can kind of run whatever you want with Drake May.

1646
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 1: Because again, to go back to, you got to teach

1647
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 1: in which tools to use. You've got to build that

1648
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 1: you have all them. You can build that house to

1649
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: look like whatever you want. And you have a guy

1650
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 1: with all the uncoachables, with all these natural gifts, and

1651
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 1: I think that is part of truly the what's so

1652
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 1: exciting about Drake May is you can turn him into

1653
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 1: whatever kind of quarterback you wanted to be. There aren't

1654
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 1: really tended. All his tendencies are terrible. You're throwing out

1655
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: all his tendencies and you're basic saying, hey, you can

1656
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,640
Speaker 1: do all these incredible things. Here's where we want you

1657
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 1: to do this. Here's where we want you to do that.

1658
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 1: There's not gonna be a ton of fighting him when

1659
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 1: it comes to fitting him into whatever scheme you want

1660
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 1: to put him in. And I think that that's a

1661
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 1: double edged sword because if you know what you're doing,

1662
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: the potential is monumental For a player like that if

1663
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're doing, Daniel Jones. So that's

1664
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: kind of my thought Drake May. I thought coming in

1665
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: Drake May was going to be the most boring prospect

1666
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks in this draft. He actually might be

1667
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 1: the most interesting, yeah, because he's so physically gifted and

1668
01:17:58,240 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 1: so raw at the same time.

1669
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 2: So I my concern with Drake May is that I

1670
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:09,600
Speaker 2: don't know if he is has like anything that's like

1671
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 2: elite about him. And I think when you get quarterbacks

1672
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 2: like that into the league. You mentioned it earlier, like

1673
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 2: you have to have a carrying trade, right, right, there

1674
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 2: has to be something that you can put your hang

1675
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 2: your hat on and say, this is what I do

1676
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 2: at an elite level, and this is how I win, right,

1677
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 2: this is how I win over everybody.

1678
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: Here's what's funny about. I don't know if he has that.

1679
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 1: Here's what's funny about Trake made to me And I

1680
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 1: never even considered this, because carrying trait you want to

1681
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 1: be something tangible, speed, arm strength, agility, size, whatever. Right,

1682
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 1: I think Drake May's carrying trade is his potential, which

1683
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: is super weird to say.

1684
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 2: So, so here's my other thing. So, because we might

1685
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 2: disagree about on this a little bit. I hear what

1686
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 2: you're saying in terms of like he's of the his

1687
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 2: development is he's a little bit raw. I'm not sure

1688
01:18:55,439 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 2: if he's raw or if that UNC team just like

1689
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 2: isn't very good against better competition, Like you know what

1690
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say, Like I I wonder if like

1691
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 2: this is kind of just who he is, but like

1692
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 2: if he had if he was on like a loaded

1693
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 2: Washington offense or if he was on a loaded Texas offense,

1694
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,480
Speaker 2: it would all like have been more consistent.

1695
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 1: Well, that goes back to my point of you're drafting

1696
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 1: him on spec. You're drafting him not for who he is,

1697
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 1: but you're drafting him for who you think.

1698
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 2: I think, right, And I guess it's more of like

1699
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 2: in the interest of fairness because we've talked so much

1700
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 2: on this show over the last couple of years about

1701
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 2: situation and racher versus nurture and like how you know

1702
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 2: you can't grade mac Jones because the pass protection, the

1703
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 2: receivers and the and the system stink and all this

1704
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 2: different stuff. And I want to be fair to Drake

1705
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 2: May and say tes Walker is like his best receiver

1706
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 2: who's gonna be a good and if you're gonna be

1707
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 2: an NFL guy, Yeah, but like that offense, that offensive

1708
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 2: line was not very good this year. Outside of tes Walker,

1709
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 2: I don't.

1710
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: Really think Maarin Hampton the running backs very good. Yes,

1711
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 1: that's pretty much. He'll be top one hundred pick next year.

1712
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: I And I said I said this last.

1713
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 2: Week because the point is just for the people to understand, like,

1714
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 2: he's not on one of these loaded super team.

1715
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 1: And it's not just that to everybody. When we talk

1716
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 1: about Michael Pennox or when we talk about Bonnicks, or

1717
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 1: when we talk about Quinn yours. Right, Yeah, the people

1718
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 1: who don't like it's so easy to not like most

1719
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,719
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks in the Trap, even even Caleb Williams,

1720
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 1: because the guys on that team their top one hundred picks,

1721
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:29,639
Speaker 1: but a lot of them are underclassmens, so they won't

1722
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 1: be coming out this year, so maybe they're not names

1723
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 1: that are as well known. It is so easy to

1724
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: not like a quarterback this year because you can point

1725
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 1: to him and say, look at all the talent around him.

1726
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 1: It's it's it's he's a product of a situation. And

1727
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: I think when you have Mac Jones who came from

1728
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 1: that Alabama team and came here. It's so easy to

1729
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 1: be afraid of that guy. Yeah, I think that's all overblown. Yeah,

1730
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 1: but if you're somebody who truly believes in that that

1731
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 1: I need a quarterback that came from nothing. Drake Mays

1732
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 1: your guy, because he's the only one. Yeah, he's the

1733
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 1: only one that had to do it himself, and sometimes

1734
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 1: it worked and sometimes it didn't.

1735
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 2: So just to wrap this up, because again I'm not

1736
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 2: totally out on Drake May, I worry about this about

1737
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 2: the elite area.

1738
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:11,679
Speaker 1: There's no there's no perfect prospect. And would you rather

1739
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:14,640
Speaker 1: like you look at the problem with the guy like

1740
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 1: Drake May, Yeah, compared to the problems of a guy

1741
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,679
Speaker 1: like you know, I'm thinking further down the board here,

1742
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 1: Michael Pratt. Yeah, where he can't really throw the ball

1743
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:28,719
Speaker 1: past twenty five yards. Oh, that's a great quarterback, right exactly,

1744
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 1: So which would you every we're gonna talk about flaws

1745
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 1: for all these guys doesn't mean they sucked. Every prospect

1746
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 1: has his flaws. You just have to put him into context. Okay, So,

1747
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: like much rather fix what's wrong with Drake May than

1748
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 1: fix what's wrong with most of the quarterbacks in the strap.

1749
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 2: So two things. One, if we get to a point

1750
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 2: where Bill Belichick is not the head coach of this

1751
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 2: team anymore, we're gonna do this segment, and I'm not

1752
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to wait, wait, I don't want to

1753
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:55,759
Speaker 2: I don't wanna you know, I don't want to get

1754
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 2: like all of our good takes out too soon, right right,

1755
01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 2: We've got a long way to go here, So when

1756
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 2: I gonna do it today? But pairing the head coach

1757
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 2: with the quarterbacks, so because I think they made a

1758
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 2: great point of like Caleb Williams needs to be in

1759
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 2: a certain type of offense, Jaden Daniels needs to be

1760
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 2: in a certain type of offense. I think Drake May

1761
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 2: would be fantastic with Ben Johnson. I think that that

1762
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 2: would be a really because to me, Drake May, your

1763
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 2: your floor is Daniel Jones. Ceiling is justin Herbert. The

1764
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 2: middle might be might be Jared Goff.

1765
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 1: So my big overarching take on Drakes and like Lyon's

1766
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:34,600
Speaker 1: like good Jared Goff, My big over arching take on

1767
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 1: Drake Man. I meant to say this before in terms

1768
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 1: of so we've been talking about prospects in big generality

1769
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 1: because we don't know who's gonna be making the decisions here. Yeah,

1770
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 1: Drake made to the Patriots specifically, tell me who's coaching

1771
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:46,719
Speaker 1: the team, and I'll tell you how I feel about it.

1772
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 2: Right, And last thing kind of related, uh, when it

1773
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 2: comes to like elite elite traits, right, right, I think

1774
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 2: a couple of these other quarterbacks that we're gonna be

1775
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 2: talking about for the next five months at nauseum have

1776
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 2: an elite carrying trade. I can point to Caleb has

1777
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 2: impro improviser, right, He's the improviser. G Jayden Daniels is

1778
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 2: the is the is the mobile guy.

1779
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 1: Pennix is the deep ball and dog and sure it's

1780
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 1: got that dog in them little dog emoji, right, So all, no, okay,

1781
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that's what we're cutting

1782
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 1: it off. I don't know. I could ask you J. J. McCarthy.

1783
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:29,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what Bone Nicks is. I don't know.

1784
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,879
Speaker 1: It's it's his, it's his, it's his short intermediate accuracy.

1785
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 1: He's Mac Jones.

1786
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 2: It's a short I think he is more physical talent

1787
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 2: than Mac is the most he is the most quick,

1788
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 2: He's the most accurate on quick routes.

1789
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 1: Of any quarterback in the draft. All right, that's his

1790
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:45,640
Speaker 1: carrying trade. All right, that's where the caring tree. I

1791
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 1: mean every quarterback has, Like Joe Milton obviously has arm strength. Yeah,

1792
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 1: there's not much.

1793
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 2: We're not going that deep.

1794
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

1795
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,680
Speaker 2: If they're going that deep, then we're in trouble, right, Like,

1796
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 2: I'm not saying we're not going to talk about those

1797
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 2: guys periods.

1798
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 1: I'm going to make you watch Joe. I cannot wait

1799
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:00,719
Speaker 1: no for you to watch.

1800
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 2: I'm not saying we're not going to talk about this,

1801
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 2: I know, but I'm so excited they cannot be going that.

1802
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 1: Joe Milton is going to break your bak. I can't wait.

1803
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 2: So Caleb's got improv right, Like that's number one for him.

1804
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels has got elite mobility. Michael Pennix has an

1805
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 2: elite deep ball. I would just say arm talent, just

1806
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 2: arm talent.

1807
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1808
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 1: Sure, I think that there's a chats A Bodicks carrying

1809
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 1: trees that he exists.

1810
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 2: Sure, I think that there's something to be said for

1811
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 2: the fact that I would rather build around an elite

1812
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 2: carrying trade with flaws elsewhere then build around like this,

1813
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 2: like above average at everything prospect because at least I

1814
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 2: can feature that elite trade and and cover up the

1815
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 2: warts by making sure that Caleb Williams is playing in

1816
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 2: like a Kansas City improv style offense where he can

1817
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 2: go out there and he can be Patrick Mahomes or

1818
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels is playing in a raven style offense where

1819
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 2: he can run around.

1820
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 1: I guess my question to you would be, because this

1821
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,640
Speaker 1: is kind of how I feel about Drake May. He

1822
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 1: doesn't have a caring trait right now? What if but

1823
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 1: some of the traits that are so close to being elite? Yeah,

1824
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 1: there maybe not, but they're close. What if one is

1825
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 1: and we're just not seeing it because of the situation

1826
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: he's in at UNC.

1827
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 2: I think it's possible that I think it's possible that

1828
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 2: his arm talent might be.

1829
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying, like, if you can get

1830
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 1: him to that point, that's where the value is.

1831
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I just you put Daniel

1832
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 2: Jones in my head. It got me thinking, again, that's

1833
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 2: the floor. I know that's the floor some of the

1834
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 2: other guys. But you're not wrong though, because, like Daniel Jones,

1835
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 2: at Duke looked a lot like Drake May, Like he

1836
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 2: looks the part, and he plays quarterback, and he's tall,

1837
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:58,480
Speaker 2: and he's got a decent arm and he's got decent athleticism,

1838
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 2: and like that Duke team that he played on was

1839
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 2: like a little bit better than they probably should have been,

1840
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 2: and you could kind of maybe put some of that

1841
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:08,719
Speaker 2: credit to him, right, Like it's it's all the same

1842
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,639
Speaker 2: things that you talk about with with Drake May. Uh

1843
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:16,799
Speaker 2: And but just like Drake May, Daniel Jones had accuracy issues,

1844
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 2: he had mechanical footwork issues, he had like not really

1845
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 2: great elite physical traits.

1846
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: Like it's all it's but but I would say, and

1847
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:27,480
Speaker 1: then look at what happened. He was in a bad situation,

1848
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,639
Speaker 1: did not play well. Yeah, got a coach that knew

1849
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 1: what he was doing with quarterbacks and suddenly looked very good.

1850
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 1: And I think that's that's Drake May. It's it's very

1851
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: situation dependent. Can I give you my Florent ceiling for

1852
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 1: some of the other guys. I want to see if

1853
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:44,600
Speaker 1: I can break a brain more. Yeah, all right, Caleb Williams,

1854
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:47,639
Speaker 1: I know the ceiling. Patrick Mahomes, it looks like it's

1855
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: not fair. It's not fair to him.

1856
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 2: I'll call it discount mahomes because it's not fair.

1857
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: I think, like Pete Russell Wilson is his ceiling, Okay,

1858
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 1: like Dad, get behind that really good. I'm talking likes

1859
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 1: in a second Russell Wilson my floor is and this

1860
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:07,639
Speaker 1: is maybe a little lazy. But Bryce Young.

1861
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I can see that. I mean I think that,

1862
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,679
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if we have enough sample

1863
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 2: size with Bryce Young yet. I guess that's more to

1864
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 2: be fair to Bryce Young than any It's.

1865
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:21,639
Speaker 1: More the idea that, like, it's great that you can improvise, Yeah,

1866
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 1: can you also play in structure if like what if

1867
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 1: we find out all he can do is improvise. Jayde

1868
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:28,719
Speaker 1: and Daniels actually took this one from you. I really

1869
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 1: like it. Yeah, c J. Stroud as a passer, Justin

1870
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 1: Fields is a rusher.

1871
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah he's different rusher than style than Justin but that

1872
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 2: kind of impact. I'm starting to come around on Jayden

1873
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 2: Daniels a lot, and you know, I like that kind

1874
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 2: of quarterback. There's a chance I might have him higher

1875
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 2: than most people.

1876
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 1: I don't.

1877
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 2: I really say this as probably the biggest Lamar Jackson

1878
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:57,600
Speaker 2: fan on the planet outside of Baltimore. I don't know

1879
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 2: how far off he truly is from Lamar in terms

1880
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 2: of ceiling, I think he is a better prospect coming

1881
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 2: out than Lamar was.

1882
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 1: Well. I think he's more developed as a passer because longer. Right, No,

1883
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 1: that's not a knock on the mark.

1884
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just saying that that's that's the maturation

1885
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 2: of the whole thing.

1886
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: His ceiling is an MVP candidate.

1887
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 2: I think his ceiling might be Lamar Jackson.

1888
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 1: I think it might be higher he I think it

1889
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 1: might be higher because you watch him run. I don't

1890
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 1: think he's as slippery as Lamar. I mean Lamar.

1891
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 2: He's got top end speed like Lamar.

1892
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lamar is one of the two best pure ball

1893
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 1: carriers on the planet. It's him and Tyre kill.

1894
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 2: I think he might be one of the best ball

1895
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 2: carriers of all time like Lamar. Oh yeah, in the NFL.

1896
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 1: But Jane Daniels to me and then the floor for

1897
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: him is like last year justin fields where like he's

1898
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 1: only running and that's it. I actually the perfect Like

1899
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 1: I hate doing the middle ground comp I have the

1900
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 1: perfect one for Jane Daniels, which is Robert Griffin the third.

1901
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, yeah, bo Nix Ceiling, twenty twenty one.

1902
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, Oh really, yeah, you think he's that bad?

1903
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 1: He took a team to playoffs, I said, twenty twenty one,

1904
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 1: Mac Shonones Floor twenty twenty three, Max Shows.

1905
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 2: I don't think he's as much Mac Jones as you do.

1906
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:14,639
Speaker 2: I guess I think, uh, he's a little more athletic.

1907
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 2: But like the guys that athletic in the Pac twelve,

1908
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 2: the guy that I keep coming back to with him

1909
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 2: is Baker Like. He reminds me a lot of that.

1910
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,760
Speaker 1: Okay, that might be like his ceiling, there's he's got

1911
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 1: some like Desmond Ritter two going on.

1912
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just reminds me a lot of Baker Like.

1913
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 2: He can move a little bit, he's tough, like a

1914
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 2: tough guy. He can he'll lower the shoulder when he's

1915
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,759
Speaker 2: running a little bit. But he's not like an elite athlete,

1916
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:37,680
Speaker 2: and he's got a little bit of a good arm.

1917
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 2: But he's an a lead like I did.

1918
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 1: Just see a lot of Baker And again let me

1919
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 1: just say these are all subject to change. I got

1920
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 1: two more for you, Yeah, Michael Penix, Yeah, ceiling, Philip Rivers, Yeah,

1921
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 1: I like that comp Lefty Philip Rivers left floor. Jakobe Brissett.

1922
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I could see that. I really, I

1923
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 2: really do like the Philip Rivers comper him, though I'm

1924
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:57,639
Speaker 2: trying to like find it, which is tough because he's

1925
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 2: a lefty and I think lefty Philip rivers is is

1926
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:01,760
Speaker 2: not a bad one at all, all right, And I

1927
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 2: feel really good about these two for this guy. J. J. McCarthy,

1928
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, ceiling Yeah, brock Party. Oh, I don't

1929
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:10,719
Speaker 2: even think he's as good as brock Party.

1930
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 1: But okay, if you get him a super team around him,

1931
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: he's gonna so basically if he has Michigan in the end, yeah, no, yeah,

1932
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 1: that's my point, Okay, because and he has a little

1933
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 1: bit of athleticisn't you can play that's ceiling that's maxed out?

1934
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 1: Yea floor Zach Wilson. Yeah, where it's just gonna implode

1935
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be ugly. Yeah, that is I I

1936
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 1: think he is the widest variance because we don't know

1937
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 1: what he is. We have no idea what he is.

1938
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 1: He's done nothing. He throws the ball twenty times a game. Yep.

1939
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 1: He is a complete blank piece of paper. Zack Wilson

1940
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:42,639
Speaker 1: is not bad because I think he's closer to Zack Wilson.

1941
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 1: Needs to brocke Zack Wilson bad.

1942
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 2: You know a lot of even though it was a

1943
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 2: different level obviously at BYU, but Zack Wilson had a

1944
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 2: lot of you know, clean pockets, like good running game,

1945
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:58,519
Speaker 2: heavy play action system like yeah, it's similar, it's similar.

1946
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 1: So those are that's the end. I mean there's quinn

1947
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:05,960
Speaker 1: Ewers too. I don't really have goname out if he wins.

1948
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,439
Speaker 1: If he if yeah, I think that I'm fifty to

1949
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 1: fifty with him. Here's the thing, he'll come out if

1950
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a first round pick.

1951
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get back into the first round guy if

1952
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 2: he wins.

1953
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:17,719
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, because he's to win the champion.

1954
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 1: Washington's defense is whatever that game, they're gonna score a

1955
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty points come back. If he is a

1956
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 1: good game against Alabama or Michigan in the National Championship,

1957
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:26,839
Speaker 1: those are two of the best defenses in the country.

1958
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna take him with that, With his pedigree, the

1959
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:31,679
Speaker 1: kind of recruit he was coming out of high school,

1960
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 1: all of that, somebody will take him I'm not sure.

1961
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 1: It's tough to nail down a comp for him because

1962
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 1: his three years in college he's been three very different players. Yeah, like,

1963
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 1: the way his game has evolved is very interesting. I

1964
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 1: want to see him come out because I think he

1965
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 1: just plays a very exciting brand of football. But if

1966
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't come out, he'll he'll be a first round

1967
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:54,599
Speaker 1: pick next year. I understand the argument from going back,

1968
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:56,720
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't rule out him playing super well in

1969
01:31:56,720 --> 01:32:00,160
Speaker 1: the playoff and suddenly you know he plays super well.

1970
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 1: Michael Pennox's medicals don't check out at the combine, Well,

1971
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 1: I guess that would be later. But like, and he's

1972
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 1: QB four all of a sudden, right he finds out

1973
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:08,760
Speaker 1: teams don't love bo Nicks, and boom, here we go

1974
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 1: he's a first round pick. Yeah.

1975
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:12,680
Speaker 2: Well see, I have to see more of him, Like

1976
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 2: I watched him in what the Big twelve championship game

1977
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 2: or whatever, But yeah, I'd like to watch more of

1978
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:20,240
Speaker 2: him before I have like a great comp in mind

1979
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 2: for him.

1980
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 1: But uh, but you also you can talk about a

1981
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 1: guy with the talent around him. Yeah, I mean, you're

1982
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy's gonna be first round pack you were going

1983
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 1: to tell he might not be. There's so many receivers.

1984
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 2: I think Xavier are Worthy is a first round talent.

1985
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 2: He maybe is not a.

1986
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 1: First That's the beauty of this draft. Sorry, I know

1987
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 1: you want to take a call. I want to make

1988
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 1: this one. Do you want because I have to hammer

1989
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:42,280
Speaker 1: this home because we gotta we gotta get last year,

1990
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 1: so the Broncos a little bit. We talked about this

1991
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 1: last year with receivers, how there were receivers who were

1992
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 1: gonna be first round picks who were not first round talents.

1993
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 1: Remember that we had to hammer that home to people like, yeah,

1994
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, some of these guys are not first round talents,

1995
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 1: but because there's no good receivers this year, they're gonna

1996
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 1: go in the first round. Quintin Johnson, Right, Yeah, you

1997
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 1: were right about that.

1998
01:32:57,600 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 2: I was right about that.

1999
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 1: This year is the opposite you were there. Receiver Xavier

2000
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:06,639
Speaker 1: Worthy right now is projected as receiver seven in this class. Yeah,

2001
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 1: he would have been receiver one the last two years. Yeah,

2002
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 1: taller's a Flowers. That's my comp for him. Yah, it's

2003
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 1: a good comp. It It is not a bad year

2004
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 1: to be taking a wide receiver in the second round.

2005
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:17,720
Speaker 1: After two terrible years to take a wide receiver in

2006
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 1: the second round.

2007
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:21,560
Speaker 2: I love the idea if they can figure out a

2008
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 2: way to fix the offensive line in free agency.

2009
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:32,799
Speaker 1: Williams, I love the idea of quarterback receiver.

2010
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, as like you know four, Yeah, and that's that's

2011
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 2: your nucleus. Like they're gonna build together, they're gonna grow together,

2012
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 2: Like that's your group.

2013
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 1: The board is set up for it if that's what

2014
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 1: you want to do, and you don't even need to

2015
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 1: move around. The board is set up to make those

2016
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:50,240
Speaker 1: two picks and get two very very very good players.

2017
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 2: And I know it's also a pretty good tackle draft,

2018
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 2: so like if you have to take the tackle.

2019
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 1: Top heavy, yeah, it's there's after like pick fifty, you're

2020
01:33:58,200 --> 01:33:59,640
Speaker 1: talking about project players.

2021
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 2: Which is why you probably would take the tackle earlier, right,

2022
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 2: But in general, I just I know, like it would

2023
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 2: be ideal to like pair a college quarterback with his

2024
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 2: college receiver, but that might be harder to do. Like

2025
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 2: it's possible, I guess at thirty four with with Neighbors

2026
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 2: and and Jayden Daniels. It's not gonna be possible with

2027
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 2: Pennix and the Donesday. Duneesday is gonna go way too hot, right,

2028
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:24,680
Speaker 2: So it's possible with some of the guys, and I

2029
01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:26,640
Speaker 2: like that idea of it too, but it just it

2030
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily need to be that though, is my point.

2031
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 2: Like if you're drafting, you know Drake May and then

2032
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 2: your your second round pick is Davy or Worthy, Like, yeah,

2033
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 2: they didn't play together in college, but I don't think

2034
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 2: anybody's gonna care about that, honestly. All right, let's get

2035
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 2: to the calls and then we'll talk a little broncos

2036
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:47,639
Speaker 2: Brady is in case c what's up, Brady? Yes?

2037
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:53,639
Speaker 3: Okay, So Evan almost made the point that I wanted

2038
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:57,640
Speaker 3: to make kind of back handedly throughout the talking of

2039
01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 3: as the quarterbacks, but I wanted to make a quick

2040
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:02,679
Speaker 3: at point and mental of I'll try and be fast.

2041
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:07,719
Speaker 3: But the how I see you guys mentioned a while

2042
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 3: back about Tom Brady's intelligence and IQ. I see his

2043
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:15,799
Speaker 3: intelligence and IQ similarly to how people see Mahomes athletic

2044
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:20,160
Speaker 3: ability and playmaking skills. It's just you can't visibly see

2045
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:24,080
Speaker 3: Tom Brady's intelligence and IQ like shown on the field

2046
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 3: as much as you can see Mahomes jumping horizontally and

2047
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 3: throwing the ball forty yards down the field. So that

2048
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 3: that's all I try and like put into perspective how

2049
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 3: Tom Brady's like IQ and ability was when it comes

2050
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 3: to reading defenses and playing that position. What I wanted

2051
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 3: to kind of mention is, and I want to know

2052
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 3: your guys take on this from future perspective, is I

2053
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 3: think we should do kind of I think we should

2054
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 3: take Eric the Enemy from as the head coach and

2055
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 3: then parent him with Kleb Williams just because he's already had.

2056
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:06,639
Speaker 3: It's obviously the comp Caleb Williams with Mahomes and how

2057
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 3: the Enemy has kind of proven to everyone how beneficially

2058
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 3: was with the Chiefs seeing their offense now comparatively to

2059
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 3: what it was when he was there. And I think

2060
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:18,720
Speaker 3: he's trying to do that in Washington, but he kind

2061
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:21,679
Speaker 3: of has Sam Howe who doesn't have quite the ability

2062
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:24,760
Speaker 3: that Caleb Williams could have. So I think the perspective

2063
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 3: that I want to get your guys' take on is

2064
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 3: Eric the Enemy head coach. We do anything we can

2065
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:32,479
Speaker 3: to get Caleb Williams, and then we try for Girodno

2066
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:35,640
Speaker 3: as defensive coordinator to keep kind of a similar to

2067
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 3: the defense around so I'll take that off the air.

2068
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 3: Thanks guys.

2069
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brady, I mean I think that's a home run scenario. Well,

2070
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 2: that's that's one of my top scenarios. And I mentioned

2071
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 2: earlier in the show that eventually I want to do

2072
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:49,639
Speaker 2: like quarterback pairing with OC head coach, you know, offensive

2073
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 2: play caller, let's call it, right, whether it's the head

2074
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 2: coach of the OC.

2075
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:55,599
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry that to the people.

2076
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:57,719
Speaker 2: We're going to be a little repetitive on this because

2077
01:36:57,720 --> 01:36:58,960
Speaker 2: it's what we're going to be talking about for the

2078
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:02,040
Speaker 2: five next five months. Caleb Williams and Eric Peemy' is

2079
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:04,599
Speaker 2: the pairing. Like that's that's the duo. Like, that's it.

2080
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 2: I'd also, you know, airp enemy I think is number

2081
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 2: one on the list. Don't sleep on Mike Kafka with

2082
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 2: the New York Giants. He was with the Kansas City

2083
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:16,720
Speaker 2: Chiefs for years before he went to the Giants to

2084
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 2: be their offensive coordinator under Dable, and he's got a

2085
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 2: ton of experience in the read system, a ton of

2086
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:25,719
Speaker 2: experience with Patrick Mahomes, you know, Like that's I think

2087
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:29,120
Speaker 2: maybe plan B. I would say it would be somebody

2088
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 2: like Kafka. He at least to my I don't think

2089
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:35,639
Speaker 2: he's calling plays with the Giants right now. I think

2090
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:40,360
Speaker 2: Dable calls the plays. So even if it's there's a chance,

2091
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:42,200
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's a good one, but there might

2092
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:44,640
Speaker 2: be even a chance that you can get him to

2093
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 2: like make a technically a lateral move, but he's actually

2094
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:51,760
Speaker 2: taking the job to be the real play call. Yeah,

2095
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:54,600
Speaker 2: and you know, like any sort of success that the

2096
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:57,200
Speaker 2: Giants have offensively is going to go to Dable, right,

2097
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:00,719
Speaker 2: So it's one of those situations. But I would say

2098
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 2: that you look at what he's done with Tommy Cutlet's

2099
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 2: there and with the Giants, like he's taking this UDFA

2100
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:08,920
Speaker 2: quarterback and he's on a little bit of a heater

2101
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 2: with him right now. Right, So Kafka former quarterback, you know,

2102
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 2: obviously has that sort of thing going for him as well,

2103
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 2: with like that model, you know, the Kevin O'Connell's of

2104
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 2: the world and stuff like that. So I would say

2105
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 2: that he's Plan B. But yeah, I mean the enemy

2106
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 2: and Kayleb Williams's Plan A. Like that's that to me

2107
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:28,680
Speaker 2: is if you're going to go that route, that's the

2108
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 2: way to go for sure, all Right, Kevin is in Munich.

2109
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:35,600
Speaker 1: What's up, Kevin, Hey, guys, hope you hear me.

2110
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:40,360
Speaker 5: Yes, perfect A huge fan of your show, but last

2111
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 5: week I had to stop listening to the podcast after

2112
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:46,599
Speaker 5: fifteen to twenty minutes because you were talking about keeping

2113
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:50,200
Speaker 5: Mayo as head coach and getting guys like McDaniels beck

2114
01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 5: as offensive coordinators, and I think that totally the wrong direction.

2115
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:58,600
Speaker 5: I really hope they go outside and get someone like

2116
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 5: Bobby Slowick or Ben Jonson as head coach because I

2117
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:08,599
Speaker 5: think we need partially our culture change. With the way

2118
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 5: the papers were ran the last twenty years and how

2119
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 5: the game has changed, I think may would have quite

2120
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 5: a difficult time with that.

2121
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Kevin, So I think that this

2122
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 2: is important. In response to the call, we have to

2123
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 2: go through all the different possibilities and the reality is

2124
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 2: and we're not. I don't necessarily know if I'm advocating

2125
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:34,599
Speaker 2: for girod Mayo, like if that's like my number one choice.

2126
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:39,559
Speaker 2: Probably not, But it's important for us to cover all

2127
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:43,200
Speaker 2: our bases and to explain all the options that are

2128
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:46,839
Speaker 2: out there. And the reality is, Alex is that girod

2129
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:50,719
Speaker 2: Mayo is a really big possibility, Like there's a really

2130
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:56,439
Speaker 2: strong possibility. Now, I think that organizationally, they were hoping

2131
01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 2: to buy it a little bit more time before they

2132
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:02,840
Speaker 2: turned it over to girod Mayo. And they were also,

2133
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:07,880
Speaker 2: I think hoping that it wasn't as you know, hostile

2134
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:09,880
Speaker 2: of a situation, right, Like they weren't coming off a

2135
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:12,360
Speaker 2: three win season, like if you hand the keys over

2136
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:15,599
Speaker 2: to girod Mayo because in two years Bill passes Shula

2137
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:17,680
Speaker 2: and they like have a decent season and he's kind

2138
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:19,719
Speaker 2: of just passing the torch at that point to Gerrod

2139
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,679
Speaker 2: Mayo as he goes into retirement. That's a much different

2140
01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:26,240
Speaker 2: scenario than girod Mayo taking out over after three and fourteen. Right,

2141
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:29,680
Speaker 2: So I think that there's some things that maybe a

2142
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 2: little bit too early for jirod Mayo, maybe a little

2143
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:34,519
Speaker 2: bit uh not the way that they wanted to exactly

2144
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:36,720
Speaker 2: segue to Gerd Mayo. But you know, to Kevin to

2145
01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 2: the caller, like you we have to talk about the

2146
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:41,200
Speaker 2: possibility that Gied Mayo is the head coach of this

2147
01:40:41,240 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 2: team next year. Oh yeah, like that's he's probably got

2148
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:46,160
Speaker 2: the inside track in general, and we got to talk

2149
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:48,759
Speaker 2: about it. And then we also have to talk about

2150
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:52,720
Speaker 2: you know, it's in that scenario, it's probably gonna be

2151
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:56,519
Speaker 2: O'Brien running the offense. But if O'Brien is out, then

2152
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:59,479
Speaker 2: it McDaniel's is a strong candidate. Like that's just the

2153
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:02,720
Speaker 2: reality of it. I would push back, though, you know,

2154
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:06,120
Speaker 2: just a little bit, because I agree with him that

2155
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:09,360
Speaker 2: that's not my priority, Like that's not my first choice,

2156
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:11,439
Speaker 2: Like that's I I would rather go in a different

2157
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:14,080
Speaker 2: direction too, So I agree with that. What I would

2158
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:16,240
Speaker 2: push back on a little bit though, is I do

2159
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:18,720
Speaker 2: think that Girod Mayo is different than Bill. I think

2160
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 2: he thinks differently about the game. I think that he

2161
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:24,559
Speaker 2: takes a different approach. I think he would take sort

2162
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:26,679
Speaker 2: of the new age, we got to score more points,

2163
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 2: we got to build offense, we got to do that.

2164
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:30,920
Speaker 2: Would he be the one building the offense and making

2165
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:34,000
Speaker 2: the offense and calling the plays offensively? Obviously not. But

2166
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:36,560
Speaker 2: I don't think that Gerrod Mayo is one of these dinosaurs,

2167
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:39,000
Speaker 2: Like I don't think he's gonna come into it and say,

2168
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:41,800
Speaker 2: like we're gonna win games thirteen to ten, and we're gonna,

2169
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:43,720
Speaker 2: you know, do all this stuff that Bill's been doing

2170
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:46,040
Speaker 2: the last couple of years. I think that they would

2171
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:49,879
Speaker 2: be a little bit more modern with how they've approached

2172
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:52,479
Speaker 2: things and how they build it if Drod Mayo was

2173
01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:53,040
Speaker 2: the head coach.

2174
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree with.

2175
01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 2: That Broncos A little bit. About the Broncos I think

2176
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:02,560
Speaker 2: think you know two things about Denver. It was a

2177
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:07,360
Speaker 2: little interesting to look at this Russell Wilson Sean Payton

2178
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:10,240
Speaker 2: pairing and how that's going in Denver in their offense

2179
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 2: and things like that. And number two, you know, this

2180
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:18,240
Speaker 2: is a matchup that you know, Bailey's appy we talked

2181
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:20,800
Speaker 2: about at the beginning of the show that he needs

2182
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:22,040
Speaker 2: to put together four quarters?

2183
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 1: Can he do that?

2184
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 2: Can he put together four quarters? I think is a

2185
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:28,839
Speaker 2: question that people that are still thinking about these games

2186
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:33,000
Speaker 2: right at least are are thinking about. And this Broncos defense,

2187
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:35,760
Speaker 2: I think is is is not as bad as the

2188
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:37,960
Speaker 2: Broncos defense that gave up seventy points to the Miami

2189
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:40,240
Speaker 2: Dolphins earlier this year, But I still don't think this

2190
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 2: is really a great defense. They're thirtieth in DVA, They're

2191
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:47,439
Speaker 2: giving up five point two yards of carry on the ground.

2192
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:50,360
Speaker 2: They're the worst run defense in the NFL. I still

2193
01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:53,200
Speaker 2: think this Broncos defense can be had, but on Russell

2194
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:56,320
Speaker 2: Wilson and Sean Payton, I actually think Russ is like

2195
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:59,960
Speaker 2: playing decent, you know, just watching the last couple of games.

2196
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, on Peyton's done a good job with him.

2197
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:06,200
Speaker 2: He's playing pretty well. He still has a little bit

2198
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:09,439
Speaker 2: of that like Russell Wilson Houdini stuff going on, right,

2199
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 2: Like he still spins out of sacks, like his whole

2200
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:13,560
Speaker 2: thing was always like that. He has eyes in the

2201
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:15,320
Speaker 2: back of his head, right, and he can spin out

2202
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:18,200
Speaker 2: of sacks and elude rushers and then make throws on

2203
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:21,400
Speaker 2: the move and make throws you know, off platform. And

2204
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:23,840
Speaker 2: I still see some of that on his film. Like

2205
01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:26,240
Speaker 2: I don't think his arm talent and his like velocity

2206
01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:27,880
Speaker 2: down the field is what it used to be when

2207
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:30,400
Speaker 2: in Seattle and the peak years. So he's not like

2208
01:43:30,439 --> 01:43:32,599
Speaker 2: getting outside the pocket and then like flicking the wrist

2209
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 2: and the ball's going sixty yards anymore. Right, But he's

2210
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:37,680
Speaker 2: got that ability now, you know, to spin out of

2211
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:39,800
Speaker 2: the sack and then maybe like hit the tight end

2212
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:42,200
Speaker 2: they're running back on a check down instead, right or

2213
01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 2: something like that. He's got some improv skills still. They

2214
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:48,840
Speaker 2: have two receivers that can play. We were both Jerry

2215
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:52,160
Speaker 2: Judy fans. Even though there was a I thought about

2216
01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:55,000
Speaker 2: posting this. There was a play, Alex, I don't remember

2217
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:57,040
Speaker 2: if it was the Chargers game or this Lions game

2218
01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:02,160
Speaker 2: where Jerry Judy literally stops running during the play. Like

2219
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:04,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, you would have thought, like you know, like

2220
01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:07,760
Speaker 2: when you're your your Xbox controllers, like drop it or

2221
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:10,400
Speaker 2: something like, that's what you thought happened to Jerry Judy

2222
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:14,360
Speaker 2: on this play. He has some weird quarks like as

2223
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:17,160
Speaker 2: a player, right, so that's part of it with him.

2224
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:21,600
Speaker 2: But the Patriots have no corners, Like Jonathan Jones is

2225
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:23,360
Speaker 2: probably gonna play in this game, but he's gonna play

2226
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:25,240
Speaker 2: banged up. He's got a kny thing.

2227
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:26,680
Speaker 1: H J. C.

2228
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:29,120
Speaker 2: Jackson's on NFI now he's not playing in this game.

2229
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:34,880
Speaker 2: It's gonna be John Jones, Miles Bryant, Alex Austin, Sean Waite,

2230
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,840
Speaker 2: someone like that. And the one thing that you know, statistically,

2231
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:39,840
Speaker 2: the numbers back this up. And I'd also say, you know,

2232
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:43,040
Speaker 2: this is just what I think based off the tape. Uh,

2233
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:46,519
Speaker 2: they have two receivers in Courtland Sutton and Jerry Judy

2234
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:49,160
Speaker 2: that can beat man coverage. Like those two guys are

2235
01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:52,760
Speaker 2: difficult to cover Courtland Sutton for his you know, verticality

2236
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:55,599
Speaker 2: and like contested catches and things like that. Jerry Judy

2237
01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:59,160
Speaker 2: because of his route running. It's not a very I

2238
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 2: think it's that's a worry some matchup is I guess

2239
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:03,599
Speaker 2: what I'm getting at. Like if you have Sean Wayde

2240
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 2: against Courtland Sutton, who has ten touchdowns this year's leading

2241
01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:09,839
Speaker 2: them in receiving, Yeah, that's a mismatch for Denver heavily

2242
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:13,439
Speaker 2: and Russell Wilson has all the confidence in the world

2243
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:15,519
Speaker 2: to just give a fifty to fifty ball to Courtland

2244
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:15,920
Speaker 2: Sutton and.

2245
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:18,679
Speaker 1: Let him make a play on it. Yeah, Yeah, no, absolutely,

2246
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:20,320
Speaker 1: I think that's that's gonna kind of be what it

2247
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:22,960
Speaker 1: comes down to, because I think the Pronks are gonna

2248
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:24,400
Speaker 1: come out. They're gonna come out throw, and they're gonna

2249
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 1: put the ball in the air and they're gonna test

2250
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:28,519
Speaker 1: this Patriots secondary. And yeah, on top of that, no

2251
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:30,759
Speaker 1: deep safety, I think they're gonna test them down the field.

2252
01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:33,040
Speaker 1: This is where it goes back to point I've brought

2253
01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:35,760
Speaker 1: brought up for the last two years now. They have

2254
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 1: no size at corner. Yeah, and you've got big Courtland Sutton.

2255
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:41,360
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy is not a small guy. Yeah, they got

2256
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:43,360
Speaker 1: some playmakers at tight end too. You're gonna need to

2257
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:45,439
Speaker 1: climb the ladder in this game as a defense because

2258
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:47,840
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's gonna be taking the top off of things,

2259
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:49,960
Speaker 1: and I think it's a huge spot for a guy

2260
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 1: like Courtland Sutton specifically.

2261
01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:54,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and good. I think Cortland Sun's a kind of

2262
01:45:54,360 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 2: underrated player. Yeah, he's pretty good. And Jerry Judy, you know,

2263
01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:00,679
Speaker 2: we both like. I think this is one of those

2264
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 2: games that they might play a lot more zone coverage

2265
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:06,040
Speaker 2: in this game than they typically do because I just

2266
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:09,000
Speaker 2: don't think they have the man corners to guard those guys.

2267
01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:11,320
Speaker 2: Like I just think that both of those guys are

2268
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:13,200
Speaker 2: gonna give them problems if they try to man up

2269
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:15,880
Speaker 2: against this Broncos team. I think you're gonna see a

2270
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:18,519
Speaker 2: lot of zone. The numbers back up playing zone against

2271
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:21,000
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson. He's worse this year against zone and he

2272
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:23,559
Speaker 2: is against man. I think that's what you're gonna see.

2273
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:28,839
Speaker 2: Sean Payton's offense is interesting too to me because honestly,

2274
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:31,080
Speaker 2: it kind of reminds me a lot of the Patriots offense.

2275
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:34,559
Speaker 2: In terms of like system like stylistically, they are not

2276
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:39,120
Speaker 2: This is not like any sort of new age modern offense, right, Like,

2277
01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:42,559
Speaker 2: they don't motion very much, they don't really do like

2278
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:45,639
Speaker 2: it's not a Shanahan offense. It's not an Andy Reid

2279
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:49,080
Speaker 2: Kansas City like you know, West Coast College offense. They

2280
01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:53,240
Speaker 2: win with formations, they win by hunting matchups. They win

2281
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:56,599
Speaker 2: by attacking your coverage rules, right like that that's how

2282
01:46:56,640 --> 01:46:59,080
Speaker 2: they They're kind of like a snap the ball and like,

2283
01:46:59,120 --> 01:47:02,280
Speaker 2: we're gonna be you doing things that you're not good at.

2284
01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:05,720
Speaker 2: Type of offense that's very similar. I think they And

2285
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:08,519
Speaker 2: this is why in the past and in this week,

2286
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:10,479
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick I think has a lot of respect for

2287
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 2: Sean Payton because that's how Sean Payton plays offensively. They

2288
01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:17,599
Speaker 2: want to outformation you. They're gonna pick on matchups, they're

2289
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:20,120
Speaker 2: gonna use, you know, different tricks of the trade to

2290
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:23,920
Speaker 2: play with your coverage rules. But they're not necessarily one

2291
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:26,360
Speaker 2: of these teams that's all smoking mirrors. Like it's not

2292
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:29,840
Speaker 2: motion over here, motion over there, it's not urpo over here,

2293
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:33,759
Speaker 2: rpo over there. It's just kind of line up and play.

2294
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:37,040
Speaker 2: But they are really sound in different things. They're like

2295
01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:39,719
Speaker 2: the median offense in the NFL. Right now, they're sixteenth

2296
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:43,160
Speaker 2: in scoring and there's sixteenth in DVOAE. They are average

2297
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:47,479
Speaker 2: NFL offense. And I wonder in terms of longevity with

2298
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:50,800
Speaker 2: this Sean Payton thing, because he's always been renowned as

2299
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 2: a really bright offensive guy, really good play caller, and

2300
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:57,439
Speaker 2: a really good offensive guy. I think his play calling, though,

2301
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:00,040
Speaker 2: is like game planned, right, like he knows what the

2302
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:02,040
Speaker 2: other team's gonna do and he's good at beating it.

2303
01:48:02,280 --> 01:48:05,439
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think, though, that his system is like

2304
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:08,800
Speaker 2: all that exotic or all that fancy or creative. So

2305
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:13,160
Speaker 2: I wonder long term, as these college style schemes are

2306
01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:15,559
Speaker 2: just taken over everywhere where, it's either you're running either

2307
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:18,599
Speaker 2: running the Shanahan offense or you're running the red offense

2308
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:21,240
Speaker 2: right right, and his offense is like the Patriots offense.

2309
01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:24,439
Speaker 2: Is he going to be somebody that can never get

2310
01:48:24,479 --> 01:48:27,680
Speaker 2: them out of middling offensively because they don't really do

2311
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:30,719
Speaker 2: enough of the modern stuff to get there.

2312
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:32,599
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see if he sticks around long

2313
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:36,160
Speaker 1: enough to get like a young quarterback right after Russell Wilson. Yeah,

2314
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:38,400
Speaker 1: and that will be the real test. I think it's possible.

2315
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:40,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right, with a lot of these older

2316
01:48:40,439 --> 01:48:42,479
Speaker 1: style offenses, how do they translate to the modern game.

2317
01:48:42,479 --> 01:48:45,160
Speaker 1: It's a fair question. But yeah, we kind of just

2318
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:48,240
Speaker 1: talked about how in the Patriots system it's so tough

2319
01:48:48,280 --> 01:48:49,920
Speaker 1: because you're trying to bring these young guys in torn

2320
01:48:49,960 --> 01:48:52,080
Speaker 1: a system that's not like anything they've ever seen before. Yea,

2321
01:48:52,240 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 1: he still has Peyton still has an older quarterback, and

2322
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:59,599
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, who's you know, came up in not one

2323
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:01,760
Speaker 1: of these modern systems, and I think that that's gonna

2324
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 1: buy him some time. Again. The question will be when

2325
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:07,160
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson moves on, does he have what it takes

2326
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:10,519
Speaker 1: to either a justice system or get a young quarterback

2327
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:11,840
Speaker 1: caught up quickly into a system.

2328
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:14,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're twenty sixth in the league right now in

2329
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:17,759
Speaker 2: motion rate. They don't really motion very much. They're fourth

2330
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:19,960
Speaker 2: and under center, so they run a lot of like

2331
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:23,439
Speaker 2: under center, just like old school. Yeah, NFL offense, and

2332
01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:27,559
Speaker 2: it's interesting to watch. I thought that maybe the year

2333
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:30,080
Speaker 2: off for Sean Payton, like a lot of the times,

2334
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:31,960
Speaker 2: guys take that time off and they kind of go

2335
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:34,360
Speaker 2: in the lab and they like they kind of adjust

2336
01:49:34,439 --> 01:49:37,479
Speaker 2: or they modernize or they you know whatever. I thought

2337
01:49:37,479 --> 01:49:39,799
Speaker 2: maybe that's what he was doing when he was at Fox,

2338
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:43,040
Speaker 2: was like kind of you know, maybe catching on with

2339
01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:44,880
Speaker 2: like Sean mcvagh for a little bit, you know, like

2340
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:48,240
Speaker 2: Shanahan or Reed or somebody, and kind of learning like

2341
01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:50,040
Speaker 2: a little bit more modern offense.

2342
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:52,360
Speaker 1: I didn't really see that on film.

2343
01:49:52,760 --> 01:49:56,880
Speaker 2: Defensively from Denver Vance Joseph, Like, I can't believe this

2344
01:49:56,880 --> 01:49:59,200
Speaker 2: guy keeps getting a job as a defensive coordinator no

2345
01:49:59,240 --> 01:50:03,280
Speaker 2: offense to Vans Joseph, I don't really understand like what

2346
01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:07,120
Speaker 2: the appeal of their defense is. But that being said,

2347
01:50:07,479 --> 01:50:10,800
Speaker 2: I can't assume anything with the Patriots offense right Like,

2348
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:12,559
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sit here and say the Patriots offense

2349
01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:15,120
Speaker 2: is gonna hang thirty on Denver. And they have two

2350
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:18,759
Speaker 2: really good players in their secondary, Patrick Surtan and obviously

2351
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:21,559
Speaker 2: Justin Simmons at safety. And I really am a big

2352
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:23,320
Speaker 2: Zach Allen fan, Like he's kind of like a red

2353
01:50:23,320 --> 01:50:27,160
Speaker 2: Ship player, not a blue chip guy. But they are Patriot,

2354
01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:29,639
Speaker 2: they're playing. Yeah, should have been a Patriot multiple times,

2355
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:32,559
Speaker 2: like suld have been drafted as the Patriots, should have

2356
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:35,840
Speaker 2: been signed as a Patriot. Uh he you know, they

2357
01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:38,559
Speaker 2: run a little bit different than what Vance Joseph was

2358
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:41,840
Speaker 2: doing in Arizona last year. People remember Joseph was the

2359
01:50:41,880 --> 01:50:44,960
Speaker 2: offensive a defensive coordinator for the Cardinals last year, who

2360
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:47,360
Speaker 2: said that Matt Patricia caused the offense like a defensive

2361
01:50:47,400 --> 01:50:53,639
Speaker 2: cord rightult. Yeah, and uh, he plays a little bit differently,

2362
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:55,519
Speaker 2: I think just because of his personnel. You know, they

2363
01:50:55,560 --> 01:50:58,559
Speaker 2: play more man coverage because Pat Sartan allows them to

2364
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:02,000
Speaker 2: play more man coverage than what the corners were in Arizona.

2365
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:07,080
Speaker 2: But the big weakness too are twofold. They're terrible against

2366
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:09,320
Speaker 2: play action. The Patriots are terrible at running play action

2367
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:12,360
Speaker 2: and the Broncos are terrible at defending it. So something's

2368
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:14,280
Speaker 2: got to give. Someone's gonna have a good game against

2369
01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:14,880
Speaker 2: play action.

2370
01:51:15,560 --> 01:51:17,439
Speaker 1: Just mean, hope. I don't know.

2371
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:19,120
Speaker 2: Maybe you don't want it to be the Patriots. Maybe

2372
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:21,320
Speaker 2: you want them to lose. I don't know. Uh. And

2373
01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:24,000
Speaker 2: then the other thing is is that they there are

2374
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:28,360
Speaker 2: other corners like not Patrick Curtan. They're all having tough years,

2375
01:51:28,400 --> 01:51:31,759
Speaker 2: like they've all been pretty bad. They benched the original

2376
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:33,960
Speaker 2: guy that was in that spot, and I'm blanking on

2377
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:36,559
Speaker 2: I'll look it up in a second. They benched him

2378
01:51:36,760 --> 01:51:38,280
Speaker 2: like at the halfway point because he was having a

2379
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:42,840
Speaker 2: terrible year. And now Moreau is starting for them, who's

2380
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:45,160
Speaker 2: a veteran guy. But it just is kind of always

2381
01:51:45,160 --> 01:51:47,320
Speaker 2: been like a Logan Ryan type, like he's fine, but

2382
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:50,280
Speaker 2: he's not like amazing or anything like that. So teams

2383
01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:53,040
Speaker 2: are just thrown at the at the non Patrick Sartan corner.

2384
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:55,840
Speaker 1: Their defense is fascinating because they're thirtieth in the league

2385
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:58,040
Speaker 1: in scoring, but they've allowed thirty one percent of their

2386
01:51:58,040 --> 01:52:00,240
Speaker 1: points in just two games. The seventy point game against

2387
01:52:00,240 --> 01:52:03,880
Speaker 1: the Dolphins obviously, yeah, and then forty two points tomorrow.

2388
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:06,599
Speaker 1: Matthis last corner that got was the last week, two

2389
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:09,200
Speaker 1: weeks ago whenever that was against Dechory. So there were

2390
01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:12,000
Speaker 1: better defense than the numbers suggests. But when teams pick

2391
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:13,840
Speaker 1: up the weakness, they can pick and pick and pick

2392
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:16,800
Speaker 1: and pick. So can the Patriots do that? That's gonna

2393
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:19,040
Speaker 1: be the question. But if you let the Broncos play,

2394
01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:20,679
Speaker 1: if you let the Broncos play the game they want

2395
01:52:20,680 --> 01:52:22,640
Speaker 1: to play defensively, they're gonna make it really tough on

2396
01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:25,040
Speaker 1: you because that it's gonna sound crazy to say about

2397
01:52:25,040 --> 01:52:26,720
Speaker 1: the thirty three defense in the league. That is still

2398
01:52:26,720 --> 01:52:28,720
Speaker 1: a good defense. They do still have good players well.

2399
01:52:28,840 --> 01:52:30,519
Speaker 2: And they played well. They won five games in a

2400
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:33,280
Speaker 2: row to get back into this thing, and the defense was.

2401
01:52:33,240 --> 01:52:37,160
Speaker 1: Probably defense say so, yeah, this is not your typical

2402
01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:38,479
Speaker 1: thirty three defense in the league.

2403
01:52:38,479 --> 01:52:40,680
Speaker 2: It's just not They blitz a lot. Yeah, they're going

2404
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:43,840
Speaker 2: to bring pressure again. Vance Joseph is known for being

2405
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:46,800
Speaker 2: like a maniacal blitzer. He hasn't blitzed quite as much

2406
01:52:46,840 --> 01:52:49,120
Speaker 2: as he has in the past, but they're still eighth

2407
01:52:49,120 --> 01:52:49,720
Speaker 2: and blitzer rate.

2408
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:51,439
Speaker 1: I would also think this is a week where you

2409
01:52:51,479 --> 01:52:52,559
Speaker 1: blitz more.

2410
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of I think, you know, this is

2411
01:52:54,720 --> 01:52:57,600
Speaker 2: where you get I know, like Belichick's talked about this

2412
01:52:57,640 --> 01:53:00,240
Speaker 2: in the past. A lot of it's five man pressure. Sure,

2413
01:53:00,680 --> 01:53:03,360
Speaker 2: And some people don't consider five man pressure of blitz

2414
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:05,880
Speaker 2: because it's there are three four defense, so they have

2415
01:53:05,960 --> 01:53:07,760
Speaker 2: five guys across the line of scrimmage and they just

2416
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:10,680
Speaker 2: rush all five guys. Is that a blitz or is

2417
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:12,920
Speaker 2: that just a five van pressure? Is it just you know,

2418
01:53:13,040 --> 01:53:15,000
Speaker 2: like it's some people look at a blitz as anything

2419
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:18,320
Speaker 2: over four pass rushers. I look at a blitz as

2420
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:21,240
Speaker 2: like a guy that you don't expect, right, I think.

2421
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:22,719
Speaker 1: You could have a four man blitz in theory.

2422
01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:25,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that would be like a creeper, right right, yeah, yeah,

2423
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:27,800
Speaker 2: So like if you have a corner blitzing, if you

2424
01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:29,920
Speaker 2: have a off ball linebacker blitzing, if you have a

2425
01:53:29,960 --> 01:53:30,719
Speaker 2: safety blitzing.

2426
01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:34,320
Speaker 1: To me, that's blitzing. So you have to blitz, that's right.

2427
01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:36,719
Speaker 2: So a lot of their blitzer are actually just five

2428
01:53:36,760 --> 01:53:39,800
Speaker 2: man pressure. But their five man pressures are a lot

2429
01:53:39,880 --> 01:53:42,320
Speaker 2: like the Patriots, and they're five man pressure package. Like

2430
01:53:42,439 --> 01:53:45,040
Speaker 2: they'll run stunts, they run games up front, they'll you know,

2431
01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:47,800
Speaker 2: they'll do some different things to make you hurt. So

2432
01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:50,760
Speaker 2: they they don't get after the quarterback quite as much

2433
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:53,919
Speaker 2: as past Vans Joseph defenses do. Like with the Cardinals,

2434
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:56,479
Speaker 2: Vance Joseph was like doing ridiculous things like he blitz

2435
01:53:56,600 --> 01:53:59,320
Speaker 2: like the free safety from like twelve yards off the

2436
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:01,800
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage with blitz, right like or stuff like that.

2437
01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:04,599
Speaker 2: They're not like exactly like that, but they will bring

2438
01:54:04,640 --> 01:54:08,160
Speaker 2: some pressure. And I don't know how to feel about

2439
01:54:08,160 --> 01:54:10,519
Speaker 2: this game. Like obviously I'm kind of on the tank

2440
01:54:10,560 --> 01:54:12,840
Speaker 2: at this point too, but I still want to see

2441
01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:15,000
Speaker 2: the Patriots play a good game, Like I don't want

2442
01:54:15,439 --> 01:54:18,200
Speaker 2: a blowout by any means, like that's just boring. I

2443
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:20,800
Speaker 2: still am hanging on to hope that we get that

2444
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:24,599
Speaker 2: like thirty five thirty one shootout or they lose. But

2445
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:26,439
Speaker 2: it's like a lot of good things happen for the

2446
01:54:26,439 --> 01:54:27,280
Speaker 2: Patriots in the game.

2447
01:54:27,320 --> 01:54:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, this just feels like a really tough matchup for them.

2448
01:54:29,240 --> 01:54:32,440
Speaker 1: Again between the protection and being able to handle those

2449
01:54:32,440 --> 01:54:34,560
Speaker 1: blitzer with the way they've handled blitzers the last few weeks,

2450
01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:36,960
Speaker 1: and then again, I don't love the coverage matchups for them.

2451
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:38,760
Speaker 1: I think it's tough. They've got to run the football.

2452
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:40,240
Speaker 1: If they want a chance at this, they have to

2453
01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:43,760
Speaker 1: be able to run the football and make Denver, you know,

2454
01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:46,160
Speaker 1: think twice about all right, well we're blitzing and we're

2455
01:54:46,200 --> 01:54:49,120
Speaker 1: still not stopping the run, so that that's would be

2456
01:54:49,160 --> 01:54:49,880
Speaker 1: what has to happen.

2457
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:52,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I couldn't agree more that I said that. You know,

2458
01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:55,040
Speaker 2: the Broncos are giving up five point two yards of carry,

2459
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:57,840
Speaker 2: that's wild. Yeah, Now you come into these games and

2460
01:54:58,280 --> 01:55:00,000
Speaker 2: everybody knows the Patriots are gonna want to try to

2461
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:02,240
Speaker 2: run the ball, so it's a different type of matchup

2462
01:55:02,240 --> 01:55:04,880
Speaker 2: every single week where okay, they gave up five to

2463
01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:06,960
Speaker 2: five point two a carry, but like, how much is

2464
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:08,960
Speaker 2: that against the Dolphins where they have six guys in

2465
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:11,760
Speaker 2: the box, you know, right, So it's it's kind of

2466
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:14,920
Speaker 2: skewed in that sense. But they're dead last in yards

2467
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:17,640
Speaker 2: per carry, They're dead last in DVOA against the run.

2468
01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:20,040
Speaker 2: They're not a good run defense no matter what way

2469
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:22,840
Speaker 2: you really slice it. The question is is are the

2470
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:25,720
Speaker 2: Patriots so predictable that they can't run the ball because

2471
01:55:25,720 --> 01:55:27,600
Speaker 2: they won't let them run the ball, right Like, And

2472
01:55:27,640 --> 01:55:30,080
Speaker 2: that's sort of the the the yang there. All right,

2473
01:55:30,640 --> 01:55:33,880
Speaker 2: we're gonna wrap it there really quickly though, Alex. Yeah,

2474
01:55:34,120 --> 01:55:39,160
Speaker 2: we have an email from Mitch in Albany and he asks,

2475
01:55:39,320 --> 01:55:43,600
Speaker 2: as two former Ithaca cracts, how do you guys feel

2476
01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:48,080
Speaker 2: about Courtland winning the D three National championship? Also wondering

2477
01:55:48,120 --> 01:55:50,160
Speaker 2: if you guys caught any of the game he's talking

2478
01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:54,320
Speaker 2: about Cordica. Obviously it was pretty entertaining. Number One, about

2479
01:55:54,320 --> 01:55:58,320
Speaker 2: Courtland winning the D three national championship. That's a little

2480
01:55:58,360 --> 01:56:01,960
Speaker 2: bit like celebrating, like the Division eight high school football

2481
01:56:01,960 --> 01:56:06,200
Speaker 2: state champions were. Congratulations you won the D three national championship.

2482
01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:08,440
Speaker 1: Good for you. Well, now you're just knocking all of

2483
01:56:08,520 --> 01:56:10,920
Speaker 1: that's not knocking Courtland. That's just knocking D three football.

2484
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:14,320
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I'm not impressed, all right, Like, good

2485
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:17,200
Speaker 2: for you, Courtland, Like you pay your athletes.

2486
01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:17,920
Speaker 1: I get it.

2487
01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:19,280
Speaker 2: Good job you want.

2488
01:56:19,160 --> 01:56:22,240
Speaker 1: It's no, it's it's imp they you can only beat

2489
01:56:22,240 --> 01:56:23,560
Speaker 1: the teams you play. What do you want them to do?

2490
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:24,640
Speaker 1: Whin the D one championships?

2491
01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:26,120
Speaker 2: Now you're a Cortland guy all the sudden.

2492
01:56:26,120 --> 01:56:28,240
Speaker 1: No I I I'm not gonna let you just diminish

2493
01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:30,800
Speaker 1: Division three football. I think Division of three football is

2494
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:33,360
Speaker 1: I just did I know it's disrespectful.

2495
01:56:33,800 --> 01:56:36,880
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, how do I feel about Courtland winning the

2496
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:38,480
Speaker 2: D three national Championship?

2497
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:39,320
Speaker 1: Uh?

2498
01:56:39,480 --> 01:56:43,760
Speaker 2: Not good about it, Bob, but also uh irrelevant, irrelevant

2499
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:46,960
Speaker 2: and uh cool like a shiny trophy like you're gonna

2500
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:49,560
Speaker 2: hang a banner for it too in your stadium? Is

2501
01:56:49,600 --> 01:56:51,840
Speaker 2: that what they do? I don't know, like sick, Yeah,

2502
01:56:51,840 --> 01:56:54,840
Speaker 2: good job. Congratulations in a year like your quarterback is

2503
01:56:54,840 --> 01:56:56,480
Speaker 2: gonna be a gym teacher, So congratulations.

2504
01:56:56,520 --> 01:56:59,040
Speaker 1: All right, I'm done, Ethica. Uh should have made Mark

2505
01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:01,200
Speaker 1: vic Donald the head coach like whenever when Mike.

2506
01:57:01,240 --> 01:57:03,120
Speaker 2: Did you watch that's what? Did you watch Cordica at all?

2507
01:57:03,120 --> 01:57:04,960
Speaker 1: I've probably watched like five minutes. I didn't.

2508
01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:07,920
Speaker 2: I'm not going I I.

2509
01:57:07,840 --> 01:57:09,520
Speaker 1: Think I turned it on real quick. I was trying

2510
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:12,880
Speaker 1: to find a line on it. I couldn't of course. Yeah,

2511
01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:15,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. Congrats to Courtland. That don't say congrats.

2512
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:18,160
Speaker 1: You don't have to congratulate. I'll tim my cat because

2513
01:57:18,280 --> 01:57:19,920
Speaker 1: they won national championship. That's impressible.

2514
01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:21,000
Speaker 2: There's such a fraud school.

2515
01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:22,760
Speaker 1: You don't have to. It would be cool if they

2516
01:57:22,840 --> 01:57:25,520
Speaker 1: have won. There's still three behind Ethica, So catch up

2517
01:57:25,560 --> 01:57:30,040
Speaker 1: there you go. Yeah, Butterfield, catch up to him. Jim

2518
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:33,760
Speaker 1: Butterfield's like a legend. Yeah. Him and Mike Welch too, Mike.

2519
01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:35,880
Speaker 1: I remember when so Mike Welch was coaching Ethic. A

2520
01:57:36,040 --> 01:57:39,240
Speaker 1: quick story was there for like he played there one

2521
01:57:39,240 --> 01:57:40,720
Speaker 1: a couple nice champs and there's the head coach there

2522
01:57:40,720 --> 01:57:42,840
Speaker 1: of for like thirty thirty five years and he's one

2523
01:57:42,840 --> 01:57:45,440
Speaker 1: of the winning his coaches in college football history. Was

2524
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:48,520
Speaker 1: the president of the American uh College Football Coaches so

2525
01:57:48,600 --> 01:57:50,800
Speaker 1: the a FCA whatever it is. One of the years

2526
01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:52,760
Speaker 1: I was there. I remember walking was office one time

2527
01:57:52,760 --> 01:57:55,080
Speaker 1: of talking. First story, he's on the phone and he's like,

2528
01:57:55,080 --> 01:57:56,800
Speaker 1: storry to hang on. I'm like, all right, you guys,

2529
01:57:56,800 --> 01:57:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm like what that He goes It was Nick Saban.

2530
01:57:59,160 --> 01:58:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's awesome? Are you kidding me? So coach Sabing,

2531
01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:06,880
Speaker 1: I coach Saban. I learned a ton about football for

2532
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:08,960
Speaker 1: Mike Welch. So he's not coaching anymore. I don't know

2533
01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:11,080
Speaker 1: what he's up to now, but I hope he's enjoying it.

2534
01:58:11,240 --> 01:58:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So congratulations Courtland, like your bar stink, your

2535
01:58:14,200 --> 01:58:18,440
Speaker 2: girls are ugly, but whatever. And Patriot's Unfiltered is up next.

2536
01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:20,360
Speaker 1: And Evan Rothstein went to Courtland.

2537
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:22,760
Speaker 2: Right good good. I hope he hears it. Alex and

2538
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:25,040
Speaker 2: I will be back next week. Until then, Merry Christmas,

2539
01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:27,000
Speaker 2: Happy Holidays, and we'll see you guys then bye.

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