WEBVTT - Pillow King Mike Lindell Is Never Going to Rest 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.520 I'm Carol Masser. Four years ago, Bloomberg business Week published 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:07.200 a story about the preposterous business success story of Mike Lindell, 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:11.440 who went from crack addict to America's pillow king. At 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:13.800 the time, the CEO of My Pillow had just met 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:17.600 the newly elected President Trump. Lindell's story has only grown 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:21.640 wilder since then. One of the most unwavering of Trump loyalists, 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:24.480 he became a regular on right wing TV and at 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:28.160 the president's rallies, and when the Trump administration's refusal to 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:32.200 accept the election results finally crumbled in the days after 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.519 the January six insurrection at the U. S Capital, Lindell 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.640 was one of the last men standing in support. He 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:41.920 was even photographed exiting the White householding notes that seemed 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:46.519 to advocate martial law. Lindale's problem seemed to abound, with 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:50.640 retailers now refusing to carry his pillows and dominion voting 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.120 systems threatening him with a defamation suit. And yet when 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:57.480 Bloomberg business Week recently spoke with him again, Lindell made 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:00.760 clear he's nowhere near done trying to convinced the world 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:05.720 about the supposed election fraud that foiled Trump's reelection, and 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:09.840 he also had a few things to say about that photograph, vaccines, 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:15.119 and well Pillow sales. 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For Michael Lindell, 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.680 it was a blessing, possibly the best thing that had 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.400 happened to the founder in chief executive officer of My 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:05.200 Pillow in the challenging days since Donald Trump, the candidate 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.880 he had fervently supported for the past four odd years, 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:12.120 lost the election and his job. Oh this is great, 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.720 Lindell told me by phone in late January from an 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:19.680 undisclosed location that later turned out to be Texas. That 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:23.119 was a miracle that they took that picture. Now, all 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:25.359 of a sudden all the media is coming to me. 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.239 Nobody came to me before because they didn't want me 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:33.480 to say the truth. That truth, being Lindell's opinion, evidence 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:36.560 defying conviction is more like it that the November third 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:41.480 election of President Joe Biden wasn't a true and fair result. Biden, 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:45.320 Lindell asserts, is not our real president and is in 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:48.920 the oval today only because of many injustices, including but 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:53.800 not limited to, voting by dead people, voting by illegal immigrants, 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:57.680 voting by miners, late night dumps of ballots printed in 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:01.320 China and smuggled into Georgia, and the one he really 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:05.520 can't abide, the hacking of machines from dominion voting systems. 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.280 China did this along with four other countries. He said, 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.880 you had China, a little bit of Russia, you had Iran. 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:16.120 I can't remember the other two. It might have been Iraq. 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:20.880 To state the obvious, none of this has been proved anywhere. 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:25.919 Lindell has been among the most unwavering of Trump loyalists 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.840 since the fall of twenty sixteen, when he met the 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.120 then candidate at a campaign stop in Minnesota, home base 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:35.680 of My Pillow, and decided this reality TV star was 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.320 the best man to lead America. That encounter occurred just 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.320 a month or two before I met Lindell on assignment 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.800 for this magazine. In fact, the day I arrived at 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.840 my Pillow h Q, Lindell had just returned from a 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:52.040 Trump election night party in New York and was proudly 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:54.880 displaying a photo of himself with the President elect and 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.480 Mike Pence taken at that event. As I wrote at 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.280 the time, Lindell looked in the photo like a man 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:05.520 who couldn't believe his luck. This seemed back then as 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:09.400 if it would be a quirky footnote in Lindell's colorful biography. 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:11.920 After all, I had traveled to Minnesota to chronicle his 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:15.800 bizarre life story, his rise from near death crackhead to 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:20.000 wildly successful pillow salesman, most famous for starring in his 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:24.159 own ubiquitous ads. If you watched late night TV or 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.159 listened to the radio, you knew Mike Lindell and his 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:31.559 magical pillow. But as the story revealed, you probably didn't 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.840 know the half of it. I hadn't thought a lot 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:38.159 about Lindell in the years since, except when people would 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.400 send me clips about him, often in the context of Trump, 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:45.360 but his encounter with the future president changed the trajectory 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.320 of his life. He became a regular on right wing 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:52.360 TV and at Trump rallies, always there with a smile 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.919 as wide as his mustache to salute his man. And 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.960 when the Trump administration's refusal to accept the election result 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.800 finally crumbled in the days after the January six insurrection 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.760 at the US Capitol, Lindell was one of the last 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.560 men standing in support. This made him, in the waning 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:14.119 days of January, a go to call for journalists looking 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:17.200 for a final toke on the Trump news crack pipe. 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.640 When I finally reached him at nine pm on the 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:24.200 day after Biden's inauguration, our talk had been pushed back 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.520 three times because of the volume of calls from reporters. 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:32.240 It's ridiculous the media, Lindell said, having just shoveled down 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:36.359 his first meal of the day NonStop interviews, podcasts, TV 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:40.520 shows for four days from morning till night. The latest 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.600 volley of calls had been sparked by another surprise news hit. 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:47.760 That very day, England's Daily Mail newspaper was reporting the 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:51.080 end of an unlikely romance between the My Pillow guy 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:55.120 and actress Jane Krakowski of thirty Rock Fame. I have 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.520 to say it was one of the weirdest and most 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:01.920 surprising gossip headlines I had ever read. Lindell quickly dismissed 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:05.560 the rumor of any romance, as has Kurkowski. He called 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.440 it a hit piece about some actress I'd never met 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.000 before in my life. They made it up, so I'm 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:15.400 suing them. This was no bluff. A day later, Lindell 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:20.360 hired Charles Harder, defamation lawyer of choice for aggrieved conservatives. 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.279 Perhaps you remember him as the lawyer who helped kill 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:27.480 Gawker Media to file suit against a notorious gossip rag 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.800 for asserting that he, a single man, had been dating 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:35.560 an attractive woman who is also single for my evangelical platform. 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:39.800 That's defamation, Lindell, who says he's a devout Christian, explained, 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.600 and he suspects it was a plant. I think they 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:45.920 put it out to push the story of me going 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.520 after the dominion machines and after the fraud, because now 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.520 it pushed everything down. This was the crux of it. 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:56.200 Lindell's assertion is that the story was concocted by enemies 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.640 to push his election fraud allegations further down the results 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:03.360 pages when people search his name. But Lindell had far 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:08.920 bigger problems than some arguably flattering gossip. His increasingly loud 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.160 campaign to convince the world about election fraud was blowing 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:16.760 back on his empire. In early January, eight big box retailers, 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:20.560 including Coals and bed Bath and Beyond, dropped my pillow 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:24.560 from their stores. Just barry Mike's company and barry him. 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:30.000 Lindell snipped, put his employees out in the street, and 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.760 an even bigger danger was looming. Dominion Voting Systems had 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:37.640 just threatened him with a defamation suit. You have positioned 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:41.520 yourself as a prominent leader of the ongoing misinformation campaign, 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:46.520 The letter said, litigation regarding these issues is imminent. Dominion 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.920 had already sued Trump lawyer Sidney Powell, and a couple 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:53.320 of days after we talked, the company sued Rudy Giuliani. 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.800 The letter probably didn't have the effect its drafters hoped for. 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:01.320 Lindell doubled down. It was like a aafia letter. Lindell 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:04.760 told me, you have been warned, and I'm going warned 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.600 of what they dropped that letter. Because I met with 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:12.000 these investigative journalists that found all this evidence. Lindell was 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.520 talking about two writers for a website called The American Report, 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:20.200 which has a history of trafficking and conspiracy theories. These 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:24.280 writers claim to have forensic proof, in Lindell's words, of 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.800 Dominion machines being hacked to manipulate results in Biden's favor. 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.240 I told Dominion, I said, sue me, then we get 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:35.359 the evidence out there. Quicker defamation suits can be devastating. 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:40.000 A decision in Dominion's favor could destroy my pillow. Lindell 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.319 said he wasn't worried. They don't want to do a 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.320 lawsuit against me because they know we have all the evidence. 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.000 If you do a lawsuit, you have to be deposed, 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.560 you have to have discovery. And I would not have 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.840 gone out there if I wasn't sure. When I saw 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:56.640 the President, I said, Mr President, I know I only 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:59.000 have a few minutes, but I'm telling you everything I 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:02.640 have in this world, every person I know, my business, everything, 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.319 I will put it all on the line if I'm wrong. 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.120 That's why I'm all in. I don't care about any lawsuit. 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:15.600 This is for our country and for humanity. It wouldn't 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.960 have occurred to me in a million years that I'd 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:21.880 be talking to Mike Lindell about voting machines, or election fraud, 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:25.440 or really anything other than extensions of the My Pillow line. 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.760 I knew four years ago that this was an unusual man, 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:34.400 certainly among entrepreneurs who built nine figure businesses. I knew 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:37.720 he was brash and reactive and completely without guard rails. 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:40.480 But I certainly never could have imagined that the next 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.880 time we talked he'd be trying to undermine a presidential election. 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:48.480 Most ceo s are careful by nature. They do everything 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:53.120 possible to avoid land mines. Lindell just leaps into mine fields, 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.720 and so far he hasn't blown up. His agitation on 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.440 behalf of Trump has actually helped My Pillow, he said, 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.120 though that isn't why he's doing it. Business is up 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.080 so much the last week that we've had to keep 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.960 hiring people. Lindell said. His factories were adding shifts to 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:11.920 meet the demand from fans of My Pillow and presumably 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.400 the former president, the kinds of consumers who get outraged 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:19.160 by cancel culture and show their disapproval by buying pillows 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:22.520 as an act of revenge. We're so busy right now. 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:26.959 Because of all these attacks. Lindell is used to this dance. 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.360 This wasn't his first bout with bad press, or even 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.600 his first bout with bad press at the White House. 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:36.560 Perhaps you recall the coronavirus briefing last spring, at which 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.760 Lindell appeared to talk about how my pillow was ramping 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:43.040 up production of masks to help fill a national shortage. 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.760 Then he went off script. God gave us grace on 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:51.200 November eight to change the course we were on, Lindell said, 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.920 a nation had turned its back on God. I encourage 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:56.840 you to use this time at home to get back 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:00.640 in the word, read our Bible. I did not know 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.720 he was going to do that. Trump commented, but he's 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.800 a friend of mine and I appreciate it. When I 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.800 did that, our business went up about four fold, Lindell 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.520 told me. But now this last week pushed it up 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.400 to a new level. It just keeps getting busier because 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.560 the public knows that this is all just an attack, 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.280 and they go, why are they attacking him when he's 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.120 trying to tell everyone that there's a machine fraud and 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.640 we should never ever use machines again in an election. 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.640 This is the sole focus of Mike Lindell's life now 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.840 in post Trump America to prove to the world that 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.800 the election was illegitimate and that the main culprit was 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:40.640 comprised voting machines. Since November fourth, not one waking hour 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.640 have I not been focused on the election fraud, he said. 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.200 I have put in over two million dollars of my 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:49.360 own money into helping out different people throughout the country, 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:53.480 supporting them both with resources and my time. So who's 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:57.200 running my pillow? The company, he said, is in capable hands. 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.400 His son, Darren is at the helm. Lynn Ll said 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:02.840 that for basically the whole last year he's been away 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.520 from day to day operations of the company he founded. 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:09.679 When they have problems, they give me a call. Speculation 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:13.000 had been rampant in Minnesota that Lindell would run for governor. 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.880 He was seriously considering it, but now he had doubts. 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.520 This case against dominion had become a crusade, and if 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:22.560 he can't win it, he has no interest in running 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.439 for any office. I would never even think of running 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.600 until these machines are never used again anywhere in the world, 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:33.160 he told me. Lindell was already extremely sure of the fraud, 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.520 but claims that his smoking gun arrived in early January 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:40.640 when those writers reached him. Also, another guy came to me, 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:44.160 and he's a mathematic cyber forensic expert. I've never seen 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.840 a genius like that in math, and he validated what 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:51.400 these other people have. Basically, Lindell's story is this, these 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.800 machines had algorithms built in to count every Biden vote 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.719 as one point two votes and every Trump vote as 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:01.319 for fifths of one. This would be movable, he insists, 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:05.400 but no one was allowed into those machines. That said, 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:07.280 he claims that if you were able to fix the 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.760 algorithms to deliver a true result, the actual count was 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:14.280 seventy nine million, eight hundred thousand for Donald Trump sixty 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.520 eight million, two hundred thousand for Biden. But that doesn't 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.400 count all the other stuff. You had eight thousand dead 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:24.000 people that voted, You had the six thousand miners, twelve 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.800 thousand people that didn't live in Georgia that voted, six 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.760 thousand people that voted twice. Again, none of this has 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:35.000 been proved. Lindell makes plenty of assertions like this about 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:40.000 Georgia and Arizona and Nevada and Pennsylvania and even about 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:43.120 his home state Minnesota, where no one has contested the 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:48.280 result except Mike Lindell. I would encourage any journalist who 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:51.920 plans to discuss this subject with Lindell to clear the calendar. 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:56.319 You're going to want some time. The various threads get confusing, 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.640 and when Lindell talks about them, he does so furiously. 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.200 It's difficult to take notes, let alone get questions in. 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.880 Not because Lindell won't answer them. The man is an 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.560 open book, but because having this discussion is like standing 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.680 in front of a fire hose. It's overwhelming, and the 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.440 sheer mania of it all blurs the seriousness of what 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:21.160 he's proposing. That we remove a sitting president and reinstalled 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:25.040 Donald Trump. It's the biggest heist in the history of 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.200 the world and the biggest crime against humanity, because these 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:32.520 are communists that did this, Lindell said. Hold on a second, 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:36.280 I said, what about the courts. At last count, Trump's 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:39.520 lawyers had won just one of sixty two legal challenges, 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:43.640 some of them in front of Trump appointed judges. These judges, 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.920 Lindell said, refuse to look at the real evidence. They 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.280 just couldn't handle the truth. I'll tell you this when 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:53.680 this evidence gets before the Supreme Court, he said, referring 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:57.280 to the forensic cyber evidence from the American report, When 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.560 those nine justices if they look at it, because Chief 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:04.000 Justice John Roberts is compromised, but if they do look 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.800 at it, it is so blatant that they're all nine 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.120 going to raise their hand and go, wow, we were 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:13.400 attacked by China and all this. The media, Lindell said, 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:17.480 just won't show this evidence, and social media sites won't either. 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.320 Twitter had been flagging Lindell's tweets for weeks and shut 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:26.280 down his account finally on January, So it's up to him. 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.520 They're trying to suppress this, but it will come out. 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.800 You can't keep this down. And I got a big mouth. 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:40.520 You do like to talk, I replied, I'm just so excited. Finally, 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.280 I brought the conversation back to the White House photo. 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.920 If the evidence is so clear, then why on the 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:50.520 day that infamous martial law shot was taken did then 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:54.320 President Trump not jump at it. First, Lindell would like 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.560 to correct the record the martial law thing. He says 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:01.040 that wasn't him. A friend, a lawyer he wouldn't name, 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:04.840 gave him some papers to give to Trump. Those papers, 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.560 which he says he hadn't even read, included the martial 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.600 law thing, plus a note about a new CIA boss. 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.960 Lindell's contribution was his new evidence boiled down to four pages. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:17.840 So I go in there with these four pages, and 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:21.160 I go, Mr President, this is the smoking gun. The 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.600 machine fraud is real. I have done my own tests. 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.320 I said, I would bet everything I have in this 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:31.400 world that this is accurate. He'd been promised only five minutes, 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.080 and when that was up, a stafford took him upstairs 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:37.440 to the lawyers to show them the papers. The lawyers 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.600 took the papers, disappeared for a few minutes, and then 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:44.440 sent Lindell back downstairs with the papers to wait again. 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:48.800 They said it will be about ten minutes. Shortly thereafter, 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:53.680 someone clarified it would actually be two hours or possibly more. 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:58.040 Lindell got the hint and was ruffled. I said, this 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.800 is a matter of national security. I'm going to wait 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:02.920 here until the President says that I'm supposed to go. 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:05.600 That's when I went outside to make a phone call 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.720 and the picture was taken. Finally, he was shown back 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:12.479 inside to see some underling lawyers who listened for ten minutes. 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.920 It was like talking to the wall. When he asked 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.440 them could he see the president to discuss this evidence, 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:23.040 there would be no additional time, so I left. And 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.520 then about two hours later I find out that that 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.159 guy with the telescopic lens took that thing where it 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.760 says insurrection or martial law. So then it's just Mike 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.840 Lindell wants martial law for one thing. I don't even 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.720 know what all it entails for another thing that wasn't 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:41.600 my sheet. On the plus side, the photo sparked the 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:45.320 media circus that's still chucking along. I'm finding out every 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.600 media person has my phone number. And when the Dominion 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.200 letter hit the news, they just kept calling. You tell 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.760 Dominion to get this lawsuit started, Lindell said. He told them, 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.480 I welcome that I get to show my side to 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:02.959 the public. Let's do it National TV. The conviction with 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:06.080 which Lindell stands behind the machine fraud is the same 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:09.680 conviction with which he stands behind the botanical extract oleandren 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.600 which he pedals as a preventer of COVID nineteen infections, 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.919 and the same conviction with which he stands behind the 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:19.640 former president. I'm not going to go jeopardize my reputation, 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.760 my word. If I'm only sure, if I would have 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:27.040 never met Donald Trump, I wouldn't have went all in. 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:32.400 I might have went in. Then I met him. I'm going, well, 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:36.320 this is it. I believe in it. I believe in him, 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:40.320 and I'm going all in. But what I asked him, 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.560 if this fails, what if no one ever believes him, 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:47.080 or worse, if he's sued and loses, At what point 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:51.040 would Mike Lindell decide he's had enough. I'll never quit, 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:53.639 he replied, So if I have to go door to 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:55.840 door and show people, I will get it out there. 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:59.920 I'm very optimistic and I'm very persistent, Josh, and it's 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.120 going to reveal itself and I'm not backing down ever. 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:07.320 He's also, by the way, not getting the COVID vaccine. 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.480 Are you kidding me? I've heard there are horrific things 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:13.280 in there. This is a joke. And then they introduce 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:17.800 a new virus anyway, They'll just keep introducing new ones anyway, 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.840 He said, he has his own cure. I take my 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:25.119 oleander every day. I've been in crowds, my employees that 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.800 take it, thousands of people taking this. You don't get it, 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:29.800 and if you do get it, you're sick for two 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.280 days at the most. So why would I take it 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:34.480 when the cure has been here? Look it up on 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:37.840 your online there, get yourself some. I'll ship you some. 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:40.240 Then you don't have to take anything. I mean, you 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:45.040 don't need to take this vaccine. It's all big farmer crap. Maybe, so, 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.879 I replied, but I'm getting the shot. 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