WEBVTT - What Do Tulsa, Evanston, and Fearless Fund Have in Common? | MiniPod 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.200 Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:04.400 with Recent Choice Media. 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:07.160 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:18.520 Welcome, Hello, native Land Pod family. My name is Andy Duresco. 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:21.360 I am reaching out because I wanted to hear your 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:23.000 thoughts around Feels Fun. 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:24.440 As you know, the. 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:29.280 US Appeals Court has blocked them from being able to 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:36.879 provide grants to black female entrepreneurs. I am part of 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:41.720 the DEI movement in the sense that I am a 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:45.600 co founder of Black and Jewelry Coalition, where we promote 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:50.159 the advancement of black professionals and so we were created 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:54.120 three years ago and we provide grants to support black 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:57.920 professionals in the jewelry industry. There are many organizations similar 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:02.640 to us that are about DEI, whether it's through schools 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:09.160 or organizations. So this fearest fun issue is more than 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:11.280 the feelest fun. I think it affects many of us 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:15.160 and I wanted to want to hear your thoughts on 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:16.200 what's going on with this. 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:20.479 And the other piece is realize that not enough people 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:21.880 are having a conversation about this. 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.640 I don't think people realize how much this affects all 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.600 of us as a community and what we're going to 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:31.120 do about it. So we'd love to have some dialogue 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:35.760 around this from your podcast, because I'd always love to 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:37.119 hear your input. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:38.039 Thank you. 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:39.640 Well. 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:43.640 Welcome home everybody. This is our favorite time. It's a 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.000 mini pod. I am, of course Angela Rai. I'm with 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:49.960 Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillen my co host, and this 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.960 is Native lamppod and we are excited to be with 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:53.320 you all. 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.520 Welcome home, Welcome home. Today we are. 0:01:56.440 --> 0:02:00.280 Talking about something that is near and dear to all 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.480 of our hearts, but it is something that is terrorizing me. 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:07.040 We have been talking about being tormentors of racists, but 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.480 I feel tormented by the number of lawsuits that are 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:14.440 coming out opposing at every turn black progress. So there 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:16.760 are two cases that I really wanted to talk about today. 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:22.440 One is a lawsuit against Evanston, Illinois that was brought 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:27.120 by Judicial Watch on behalf of six people who have 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:34.839 relatives that once lived in Evanston, and they Judicial Watch 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:41.120 as president Tom Fitten says that Evanston's program is just 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:44.519 a proxy for giving out money to people based on race. 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:46.359 For those of you who do not know. 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.200 Evanston, Illinois is one of the first in the nation 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:54.520 to develop a government funded reparations program for black folks. 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.000 The program paid. 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:01.480 Out nearly five million dollars to one hundred and ninety 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:05.960 three of Evanston's black residents over the past two years, 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:11.320 but Judicial Watch is saying that the program must die 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:17.240 because it discriminates against non black people in Evanston. Additionally, 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:21.360 we are familiar with the terrorist Ed Bloom, who runs 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.640 an organization called the American Alliance for Equal Rights. It 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:28.760 wasn't enough for conservative folks to say, hey, we don't 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:32.359 want municipality, states or the FEDS to be paying all reparations. 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.520 We actually also want to go after programs that y'all 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.680 start for yourself. So Fearless Fund is on the receiving 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.360 end of this attack from the likes of Ed Bloom. 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.640 And what I want to do is show how Arian 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:49.400 Simone Reid, who runs the Fearless Fund, came out with 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:53.040 the challenge to the Biden administration and to Congress to 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.040 respond to Ed Bloom's antics. 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:58.520 Let's roll the clip, Arian Simone, we had such a 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:00.839 quick segment that you had one other point you wanted 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.680 to make, Please make it. Yes, I would like to 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:06.160 send a signal to the President of the United States 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.960 of America. We need the administration to say and do 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:14.040 an executive order, some type of executive action that is 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:17.520 on DEI right now, it is obvious that we need 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.360 the administration to say something. It is an election here. 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:24.240 We are counting on you to speak on behalf of 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:26.160 the black community. Thank you much. 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:30.159 So yeah so, Arian is saying we need the Biden 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:33.400 administration to issue an executive order for full disclosure. Tiff 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.839 and Andrew I have been speaking with Arian and others 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:39.240 trying to make sure that we are working to support 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.279 with the Fearless Fund represents. 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:44.560 This case cannot go to the Supreme Court. 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:48.320 That would have disastrous impact, not just on the Fearless Fund, 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.680 but you know, the Supreme Court would use this and 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:54.000 corporations and other entities would use it, just like they 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:55.680 did with the Harvard case. All of a sudden, it 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.960 was Harvard admissions and affirmative action. Then it became and 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.600 actually were going to shut down on DEI programs everywhere. 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.119 So imagine what that does to not for profit entities. 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.120 The Fearless Fund is a nonprofit that gives twenty thousand 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:10.760 dollars grants to black women in business because we don't 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.360 see venture capital, we are not on the receiving end 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:15.960 of those resources. So that is why they stood that 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.640 up to meet a need. It is a very clear intent. 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:23.599 It's I believe it's clearly constitutional. But again, as we 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.560 talked about on our recent podcast, we know that the 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.520 Supreme Court isn't just ruling on the constitutionality of a thing. 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:31.200 They're ruling on whether or not they like you, if 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.000 they support the interests of the thing, and who is 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:37.200 the highest paid payer. And of course I just can't 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.280 even imagine what the Fearless Fund is encountering in terms 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.479 of legal fees and what they would encounter if this 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:44.760 is allowed to continue. So yes, there needs to be 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:49.039 legislation to establish and to protect DEI efforts throughout the country, 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.400 and there absolutely should be an executive order looking at 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:56.479 the disparities that exist in venture, in philanthropy, in wages 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.880 and access to boardrooms, all of that to prove that 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.400 we need the programs that are in place to protect 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:04.599 our interest and to level the playing field. 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.400 I mean, but has there not been enough research done 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:12.360 to show the dispared impact and investing how many black 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:18.400 women owned companies that exist and compete for venture capitalist 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:25.280 dollars by comparison to white male led VC interests, and 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:32.200 how oftentimes, actually it's well recorded, how most consistently it's 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.359 black women own companies that get the shortest end of 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:37.960 that stick, even though they have like the highest rate 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:44.080 of success of any across all race gender groupings. And 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.840 I'll try to find that research while we're sitting here 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.120 so I can bring it up more definitively. But I 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:51.800 think anywhere you look, and almost across any platform, you 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:58.719 can see the dispared impact investment, banking, leveraging, through lending, 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:01.680 so on and so far, and the impact that it 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:06.080 has on black women run businesses. I think we're being 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.880 set back on our back heel here when at one 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:13.880 point folks on the left, progressive groups actually negotiated the 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.920 upper hand by taking to the courts many of these 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:19.280 issues that won us the kind of victories that we've 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:23.000 had that have been the status quo sort of motive 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.760 operandi for most of these institutions for the past thirty 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.680 forty years. And then I think, what happened, you know, 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:33.800 Tiffan Agela, is this federalist society, this federalist society reared 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:37.040 set of judges who have made their way not just 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.240 through the local benches and the appellate courts, but into 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.960 the federal benches and onto the federal Court. I think 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.640 Amy Comi Berrett is one of the yielded examples of 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:51.840 it where these justices have not become so philosophically ensconced 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:55.800 that it isn't about as you talked about before when 0:07:55.800 --> 0:08:00.680 we spoke about judges strict conservative conservatives. Some were strict 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:05.440 construction of the of the law, strict construction of the law, 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:10.200 but rather which position I ideologically agree with and which 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:13.880 one I ideologically don't agree with. And we all ought 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:19.600 to know we don't put judges there for ideological issues 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:21.960 that they agree and don't agree with. They're supposed to 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:26.240 be there to interpret the law. When it was put 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:30.160 into law, what were the operating modes of operandis of 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:34.560 those who put it, who moved these pieces of legislation along, 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:38.719 and instead, what it's yielding is very philosophical binds that 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.200 come down to whether or not you are appointed by 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.880 a left or a right judge, a president, and whether 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.640 you're a left or right justice. And to me that 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:50.719 it is the beginning steps of I think that the 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:53.559 destruction of the federal system. 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:55.360 All right, y'all, we're going to take a quick break 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:56.080 and be right back. 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:09.239 I just wanted to say to Andrew's point about venture capitalism. 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.960 I wrote about this in my book and I've cited 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.400 it on this show before, so forgive me for being redundant. 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.840 But in twenty seventeen, venture capitalists had reached a boom 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:21.560 investment over eighty million dollars. This was a height not 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.120 seen since the dot com bubble in the early two thousands. 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:24.880 This is a big deal. 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:29.959 And analysis was done by rate my Investor, which analyzed 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.959 whatever public information was available for venture back deals over 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.280 a five year period. I want to tell you all 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:39.960 of the funds that a majority went to college educated 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:45.360 white men founders. Out of nearly ten thousand founders, only 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:50.480 nine percent founders were women, seventeen percent Asian American, two 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.320 point four percent as Middle Eastern, one point nine percent 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:57.400 is Latino, just one percent identified as black. On the 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:00.200 funding side, the same study found that white men make 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:04.040 up more than ninety percent of venture capitalists. What Arian 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:07.440 Simone is doing is not even trying to level the 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:11.160 playing field. It is just to give us a fighting chance. 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:15.440 And I have to say, you guys, I'm increasingly exhausted 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:19.560 with it. As we're recording this, it just crossed the wars. 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.560 Our brother Roland Martin just sent this to us. The 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:29.319 Oklahoma Supreme Court has struck down the case to award 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.880 the Tulsa survivors any kind of reparations. They dismissed the 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:37.280 Tulsa massacre lawsuit. And it just feels like we keep 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:42.600 fighting these same battles and I don't know what comes next, 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:47.199 but I think we're increasingly getting exhausted with asking politely 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:52.480 to give us a fair chance, to asking directly give 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:56.280 us a fair chance, to demanding to give us a 0:10:56.320 --> 0:11:00.520 fair chance. And it's like America, the system while bend, 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.439 and we all know what happens to things that don't bend. 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:10.480 Mmmm, well, you know what, maybe it is time to break, right, Yeah, 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:15.480 maybe it is time to level the whole system, because 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:17.480 I mean, I think all of us listen to the 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:21.240 oral arguments on Tulsa. You had the two of the 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.520 remaining survivors both now what in excess of one hundred 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:29.719 years old, who were able to represented and you all 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.760 have to name check me on your your colleague, who 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:32.800 is the attorney. 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:38.800 For Mario an amazing brother, Mario Solomon Simmons. 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.800 Yea indeed, and and and quite frankly, what an incredible 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:45.000 attorney you are. Listen to you before the court and 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:48.800 was just overwhelmingly impressed. I just don't know how you 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:52.920 make how you make those arguments any more convincingly than 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.600 than were made there, How you example it any better. 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:02.400 You're talking about a community that was one day, and 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:06.760 then the events of another day, which can be clearly correlated, 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:12.480 then takes that community off of its thriving thrust into 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:19.800 disrepaired destruction at the hands of its white residents and 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.920 the Chamber of Commerce and the local government and every 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.000 other institution that existed at the time, and then there 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:31.520 too forth did nothing to heal what was, you know, 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:36.120 a theft, a great theft, destruction and a theft, and 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.200 the fact that the court could see no reason to 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:43.600 go back and see those those harms redressed. And I 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:45.720 don't know what argument, because we're just hearing this tip 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.400 from from from from from what you said, from what 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.600 you're sharing here. I can't wait to go back and 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:54.280 read whatever justification they put on paper. But there is 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.560 no justification to be put on paper. There isn't anything 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:00.040 that can justify that the harm was done there and 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:02.800 the absence of a repair, no repair whatsoever. 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.040 You know this is and this kind of gets back 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:10.000 to this point about Evanston. Evanson is a reparations case 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:14.439 right involving these citizens who were harmed by the community. 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:18.160 Twenty five thousand dollars per resident is all we're talking about. 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.720 Five million dollars or five million dollar cost to the 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:23.600 city is all we're talking about. And it wouldn't have 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:28.280 been that expensive for Tulsa to repair the damage of 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:31.480 that community. One and the same going back to Arian 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:35.000 someone read and what she's pushing for with Fearless Fund 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.520 and the idea of a commission. There was a Kerner 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:39.760 Commission stood up. The Kerner Commission was stood up by 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:43.240 Lyndon me Johnson in nineteen sixty seven. Otto Kerner, who 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:47.679 was the governor of Illinois, chaired the National Advisory Commission 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.600 on Civil Disorders. Let me just remind you all what 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.560 the questions were asking. It was in response to twenty 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:59.839 three uprisings in cities throughout the country, and the conclusion 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:03.840 of the commission was that the triggers for civil unrest 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:10.840 were discrimination in policing practices, the justice system, consumer credit practices, 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:16.080 inadequate housing and public assistance programs, high unemployment, and the 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:20.200 exclusion of communities of color from the democratic process. This 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:24.000 was fifty seven years ago. Here we are today, in 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.680 twenty twenty four, needing a redo of the Kerner Commission, 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.160 needing them to tell us why the Tulsa survivors, who 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:34.640 are almost one hundred and ten years old right, why 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.520 they are not going to see justice one hundred plus 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.840 years later. Why a city of that has proven that 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.560 its residents deserve reperations don't deserve those reparations. Why when 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:48.240 we go and do it ourselves, are we still found 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:50.680 to be breaking the law in some way, just for 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.480 not even for trying to get ahead, for just trying 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.120 to see over the fence the same way that you do. Like, 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.640 that's the thing to me, And so we really have 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:02.080 to evaluate what recourse we have. I think that we 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.760 are in the season around the election where you all 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.840 know I believe in demands. I believe that we have 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.640 to make our demands known, not just our asks about 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.880 our requirements. It is not a heavy lift for President 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:18.120 Biden to ensure that there's an executive order on the 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.360 table when we couldn't get the George Floyd Justice and 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.880 Policing Bill passed. It is not a heavy lift to 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:27.240 ask President Biden to sign an executive order establishing a 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.720 commission when we can't get HR forty looked at to 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:34.840 give Evanston, Illinois and other cities that we're pursuing similar paths, 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:38.560 including San Francisco, some cover when people don't want to 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:42.640 pay their debt and the city and the state and 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.080 the Feds to pay their debt. We literally have been 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.360 having podcasts after podcasts when we're talking about what a 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:55.000 waste of resources by DJ to pursue someone's application, someone 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.680 who lied on an application or misspoke on an application. 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:01.960 But you can't ensure that our unity receives justice. That 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.880 is absolutely ours, Like I'm beyond and I'm just saying 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:10.880 that this administration has the ability to review, to look 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:14.440 over to study since apparently Andrew, it's not enough studies, 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:17.000 not enough money has been spent on this. There couldn't 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.600 be another Pew polled, none on the disparities that exists. 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.560 Couldn't be more. You know, folks in corporate talking about 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.760 the wage gap. There couldn't be more. You know, we 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:27.000 know how many. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:30.880 Like lawsuits, Wells Fargo, Bank of American, others have had 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:32.880 to settle because of housing discrimination. 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.400 But apparently more studies need to be done. 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.040 You know, HR forty is merely a study bill, right, 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.800 It establishes a commission to do this same thing. So 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:44.440 because we have to prove our trauma, because we have 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.600 to prove our injustice, because we have to prove our 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.000 discrimination when we're on the receiving end of it. 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.240 I don't if there's that's not victim blaming. I don't 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.200 know what is. I really don't know what ied. 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.160 Just anyway, it's beyond I think I'm super pissedive because 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:57.800 I got the same tech. 0:16:57.960 --> 0:16:58.160 Yeah. 0:16:58.200 --> 0:16:59.920 Yeah, the victim has to develop it. 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:04.119 And it was Evanston. I think when you read through 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:07.879 the policy and how black people were impasted, uh and 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:11.359 how it spiraled through generations. Even for those who were 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:16.520 able to buy some miracle acquire property in mostly white neighborhoods, 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:20.960 they were terrorized, They had crosses burned in their lawns. 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:25.160 There was actually a case of kidnappings and potential torture 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.000 and human experiment with black people that dated back to 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:31.160 the sixties. A series that I watch every summer since 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.359 it's come out is Lovecraft Country. Did you guys watch that? 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:40.520 Oh my god, it is like the most amazing uh series. 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:48.879 So I've given them free Avere Tulsa what incredible, I 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:52.760 think sometimes for to connect younger generations with the atrocities 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:56.080 that were faced. The dramatization of it and a scripted 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.480 series helps bring it to life. So it wasn't a documentary, 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.359 it was a scre series, but it was just an amazing, 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:06.160 really well done series that highlighted what people went through. 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.480 Pioneering is hard, and so even the folks who did 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:14.119 acquire property, what they went through was horrific. We wouldn't 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.480 stand for it today, but we're still impacted by it today. 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:18.600 So I share your outrage Angela and Tiffany. 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:22.520 It is really and those examples are almost anywhere America. Yes, 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.160 at that time when black families were making their migration 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:29.280 into into differing neighborhoods where we were not welcome, were 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.760 not wanted. In fact, we were the object of rejection 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:35.480 in every way, shape and form that it could take. 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:37.360 And I know we're rapping here, but I would say 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.520 my ass would be not just to the administration, but 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:44.760 to the legislative branch where Democrats have been able to 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:48.160 wield power. There's been a tit, you know, a tossing 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.880 back and forth between the left and the right almost 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:55.159 every other election between who controls the House and the Senate. 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.000 When we are in control again of the House of 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:02.160 Representatives in the Senate, don't wait until you got two 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.720 thirds majority before you move on issues and interest that 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:09.199 affect us. I want to see them take some leadership, 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:13.520 pass some legislation, and at the local level, require your 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:17.520 own local governments to institute their own disparity studies so 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:19.359 that we can have some legs to stand on. And 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:21.040 they want to take Evanston up, then you're going to 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:24.000 have to take Tallahassee and Miami and you name the 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:27.320 city out right along with it. Force the federal government 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.600 to have to then weigh in because of how ubiquitous 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:33.600 these studies then become looking at each and every community 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:37.439 in each and every state across the entire country. We 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:39.160 ought to make them do some of the work here. 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:41.680 If they want to dismantle it, you got to come 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:44.120 at us one by one by one by one by one, 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:47.600 and every local community has the ability institute their own 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:51.520 despaired studies across a range of private sector and public 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:54.119 sector impacts as it relates to race and gender. 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.719 Absolutely well. I don't know. 0:19:57.920 --> 0:19:59.720 I just feel like whatever we need to do to 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:02.680 gear for the fight, y'all, we are in the fight 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.000 of our lives. I mean, it's one that's you know, 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:10.480 expanded and extended beyond generations across generation stiff like, we're 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:13.600 still in the fight and it's so devastating to witness 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:16.480 that it just doesn't feel like it's getting lighter. 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:20.280 And thank you for your work, Angela. Like you said, 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:22.760 we were between taking a break and I asked Angela 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.680 what was her involvement? And I don't want to mess 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:28.679 up your words, but it was something to the effect 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:32.640 when black folks call upon me to help the join 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:33.840 that I answer that call. 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:35.880 So, Jess, I appreciate y'all. 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:38.639 Thank you for always carving out space for these important topics. 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:42.200 I just am hoping that soon we can report on 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:46.240 our victory, like we deserve our victory from losing. What 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:50.200 the mission is of the Minority Business Development Agency is to, 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:54.680 you know, the really important work that affirmative action policy 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:56.359 is done in this country, even though we know it 0:20:56.400 --> 0:21:00.680 needed work to lose it, to watch DEI Department after 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:04.879 DEI Department and position get completely eviscerated, it's just really 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:07.040 hard to continue to bear witness to this and not 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:10.919 be discouraged. So thank you all for carving out space, 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:14.040 and hopefully we can think through some additional costs to action. 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:17.320 But I think for now we are supposed to be 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:19.440 putting up a letter. We hopefully will have that done 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:23.240 by the time this mini pod runs, asking President Biden 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:28.080 to sign an executive order to develop and establish a 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:32.639 commission that would look at the dispirit experiences, impact, and 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:36.320 probably in many ways intention on the experiences of black 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:39.040 folks in this country. It's time to revisit what the 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:42.879 Kerner Commission was evaluating. It may not be an uprising 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:46.760 where things are happening in community, but there's certainly an 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:48.880 uprising in our souls and it needs to be addressed. 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:53.120 And we are feeling that the pinch of it economically, educationally, 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.160 and psychologically, and that needs to be evaluated and there 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:58.960 should be some recourse. 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