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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Hello, native Land Pod family. My name is Andy Duresco.

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Speaker 4: I am reaching out because I wanted to hear your

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Speaker 4: thoughts around Feels Fun.

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Speaker 3: As you know, the.

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Speaker 4: US Appeals Court has blocked them from being able to

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Speaker 4: provide grants to black female entrepreneurs. I am part of

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Speaker 4: the DEI movement in the sense that I am a

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Speaker 4: co founder of Black and Jewelry Coalition, where we promote

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Speaker 4: the advancement of black professionals and so we were created

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Speaker 4: three years ago and we provide grants to support black

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Speaker 4: professionals in the jewelry industry. There are many organizations similar

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Speaker 4: to us that are about DEI, whether it's through schools

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Speaker 4: or organizations. So this fearest fun issue is more than

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Speaker 4: the feelest fun. I think it affects many of us

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Speaker 4: and I wanted to want to hear your thoughts on

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Speaker 4: what's going on with this.

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Speaker 3: And the other piece is realize that not enough people

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Speaker 3: are having a conversation about this.

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Speaker 4: I don't think people realize how much this affects all

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Speaker 4: of us as a community and what we're going to

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Speaker 4: do about it. So we'd love to have some dialogue

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Speaker 4: around this from your podcast, because I'd always love to

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Speaker 4: hear your input.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 5: Welcome home everybody. This is our favorite time. It's a

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Speaker 5: mini pod. I am, of course Angela Rai. I'm with

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Speaker 5: Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillen my co host, and this

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Speaker 5: is Native lamppod and we are excited to be with

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Speaker 5: you all.

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Speaker 6: Welcome home, Welcome home. Today we are.

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Speaker 5: Talking about something that is near and dear to all

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Speaker 5: of our hearts, but it is something that is terrorizing me.

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Speaker 5: We have been talking about being tormentors of racists, but

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Speaker 5: I feel tormented by the number of lawsuits that are

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Speaker 5: coming out opposing at every turn black progress. So there

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Speaker 5: are two cases that I really wanted to talk about today.

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Speaker 5: One is a lawsuit against Evanston, Illinois that was brought

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Speaker 5: by Judicial Watch on behalf of six people who have

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Speaker 5: relatives that once lived in Evanston, and they Judicial Watch

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Speaker 5: as president Tom Fitten says that Evanston's program is just

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Speaker 5: a proxy for giving out money to people based on race.

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Speaker 6: For those of you who do not know.

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Speaker 5: Evanston, Illinois is one of the first in the nation

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Speaker 5: to develop a government funded reparations program for black folks.

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Speaker 6: The program paid.

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Speaker 5: Out nearly five million dollars to one hundred and ninety

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Speaker 5: three of Evanston's black residents over the past two years,

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Speaker 5: but Judicial Watch is saying that the program must die

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Speaker 5: because it discriminates against non black people in Evanston. Additionally,

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Speaker 5: we are familiar with the terrorist Ed Bloom, who runs

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Speaker 5: an organization called the American Alliance for Equal Rights. It

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Speaker 5: wasn't enough for conservative folks to say, hey, we don't

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Speaker 5: want municipality, states or the FEDS to be paying all reparations.

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Speaker 5: We actually also want to go after programs that y'all

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Speaker 5: start for yourself. So Fearless Fund is on the receiving

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Speaker 5: end of this attack from the likes of Ed Bloom.

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Speaker 5: And what I want to do is show how Arian

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Speaker 5: Simone Reid, who runs the Fearless Fund, came out with

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Speaker 5: the challenge to the Biden administration and to Congress to

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Speaker 5: respond to Ed Bloom's antics.

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Speaker 2: Let's roll the clip, Arian Simone, we had such a

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Speaker 2: quick segment that you had one other point you wanted

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Speaker 2: to make, Please make it. Yes, I would like to

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Speaker 2: send a signal to the President of the United States

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Speaker 2: of America. We need the administration to say and do

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Speaker 2: an executive order, some type of executive action that is

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Speaker 2: on DEI right now, it is obvious that we need

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Speaker 2: the administration to say something. It is an election here.

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Speaker 2: We are counting on you to speak on behalf of

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Speaker 2: the black community. Thank you much.

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Speaker 5: So yeah so, Arian is saying we need the Biden

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Speaker 5: administration to issue an executive order for full disclosure. Tiff

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Speaker 5: and Andrew I have been speaking with Arian and others

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Speaker 5: trying to make sure that we are working to support

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Speaker 5: with the Fearless Fund represents.

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Speaker 6: This case cannot go to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 5: That would have disastrous impact, not just on the Fearless Fund,

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Speaker 5: but you know, the Supreme Court would use this and

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Speaker 5: corporations and other entities would use it, just like they

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Speaker 5: did with the Harvard case. All of a sudden, it

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Speaker 5: was Harvard admissions and affirmative action. Then it became and

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Speaker 5: actually were going to shut down on DEI programs everywhere.

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Speaker 5: So imagine what that does to not for profit entities.

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Speaker 5: The Fearless Fund is a nonprofit that gives twenty thousand

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Speaker 5: dollars grants to black women in business because we don't

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Speaker 5: see venture capital, we are not on the receiving end

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Speaker 5: of those resources. So that is why they stood that

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Speaker 5: up to meet a need. It is a very clear intent.

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Speaker 5: It's I believe it's clearly constitutional. But again, as we

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Speaker 5: talked about on our recent podcast, we know that the

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court isn't just ruling on the constitutionality of a thing.

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Speaker 5: They're ruling on whether or not they like you, if

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Speaker 5: they support the interests of the thing, and who is

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Speaker 5: the highest paid payer. And of course I just can't

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Speaker 5: even imagine what the Fearless Fund is encountering in terms

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Speaker 5: is allowed to continue. So yes, there needs to be

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Speaker 5: legislation to establish and to protect DEI efforts throughout the country,

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Speaker 5: and there absolutely should be an executive order looking at

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Speaker 5: the disparities that exist in venture, in philanthropy, in wages

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Speaker 5: and access to boardrooms, all of that to prove that

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Speaker 5: we need the programs that are in place to protect

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Speaker 5: our interest and to level the playing field.

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Speaker 7: I mean, but has there not been enough research done

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Speaker 7: to show the dispared impact and investing how many black

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Speaker 7: women owned companies that exist and compete for venture capitalist

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Speaker 7: how oftentimes, actually it's well recorded, how most consistently it's

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Speaker 7: of success of any across all race gender groupings. And

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Speaker 7: I'll try to find that research while we're sitting here

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Speaker 7: so I can bring it up more definitively. But I

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Speaker 7: think anywhere you look, and almost across any platform, you

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Speaker 7: set back on our back heel here when at one

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Speaker 7: point folks on the left, progressive groups actually negotiated the

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Speaker 7: had that have been the status quo sort of motive

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Speaker 7: Tiffan Agela, is this federalist society, this federalist society reared

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Speaker 7: set of judges who have made their way not just

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Speaker 7: Amy Comi Berrett is one of the yielded examples of

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Speaker 7: it where these justices have not become so philosophically ensconced

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Speaker 7: that it isn't about as you talked about before when

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Speaker 7: we spoke about judges strict conservative conservatives. Some were strict

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Speaker 7: but rather which position I ideologically agree with and which

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Speaker 7: one I ideologically don't agree with. And we all ought

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Speaker 7: to know we don't put judges there for ideological issues

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Speaker 7: that they agree and don't agree with. They're supposed to

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Speaker 7: be there to interpret the law. When it was put

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Speaker 7: those who put it, who moved these pieces of legislation along,

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Speaker 7: and instead, what it's yielding is very philosophical binds that

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Speaker 7: come down to whether or not you are appointed by

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Speaker 7: a left or a right judge, a president, and whether

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Speaker 7: it is the beginning steps of I think that the

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Speaker 7: destruction of the federal system.

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Speaker 6: All right, y'all, we're going to take a quick break

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Speaker 6: and be right back.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to say to Andrew's point about venture capitalism.

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Speaker 1: I wrote about this in my book and I've cited

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Speaker 1: it on this show before, so forgive me for being redundant.

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Speaker 1: But in twenty seventeen, venture capitalists had reached a boom

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Speaker 1: investment over eighty million dollars. This was a height not

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Speaker 1: seen since the dot com bubble in the early two thousands.

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Speaker 6: This is a big deal.

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Speaker 1: And analysis was done by rate my Investor, which analyzed

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Speaker 1: whatever public information was available for venture back deals over

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Speaker 1: a five year period. I want to tell you all

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Speaker 1: of the funds that a majority went to college educated

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Speaker 1: white men founders. Out of nearly ten thousand founders, only

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Speaker 1: nine percent founders were women, seventeen percent Asian American, two

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Speaker 1: funding side, the same study found that white men make

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Speaker 1: up more than ninety percent of venture capitalists. What Arian

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Speaker 1: Simone is doing is not even trying to level the

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Speaker 1: playing field. It is just to give us a fighting chance.

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Speaker 1: And I have to say, you guys, I'm increasingly exhausted

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Speaker 1: with it. As we're recording this, it just crossed the wars.

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Speaker 1: Our brother Roland Martin just sent this to us. The

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma Supreme Court has struck down the case to award

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Speaker 1: the Tulsa survivors any kind of reparations. They dismissed the

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Speaker 1: Tulsa massacre lawsuit. And it just feels like we keep

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Speaker 1: fighting these same battles and I don't know what comes next,

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Speaker 1: but I think we're increasingly getting exhausted with asking politely

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Speaker 1: to give us a fair chance, to asking directly give

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Speaker 1: fair chance. And it's like America, the system while bend,

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Speaker 1: and we all know what happens to things that don't bend.

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Speaker 7: Mmmm, well, you know what, maybe it is time to break, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: maybe it is time to level the whole system, because

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Speaker 7: I mean, I think all of us listen to the

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Speaker 7: oral arguments on Tulsa. You had the two of the

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Speaker 7: remaining survivors both now what in excess of one hundred

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Speaker 7: years old, who were able to represented and you all

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Speaker 7: have to name check me on your your colleague, who

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Speaker 7: is the attorney.

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Speaker 1: For Mario an amazing brother, Mario Solomon Simmons.

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Speaker 7: Yea indeed, and and and quite frankly, what an incredible

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Speaker 7: attorney you are. Listen to you before the court and

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Speaker 7: was just overwhelmingly impressed. I just don't know how you

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Speaker 7: make how you make those arguments any more convincingly than

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Speaker 7: than were made there, How you example it any better.

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Speaker 7: You're talking about a community that was one day, and

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Speaker 7: then the events of another day, which can be clearly correlated,

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Speaker 7: then takes that community off of its thriving thrust into

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Speaker 7: disrepaired destruction at the hands of its white residents and

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Speaker 7: the Chamber of Commerce and the local government and every

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Speaker 7: other institution that existed at the time, and then there

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Speaker 7: too forth did nothing to heal what was, you know,

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Speaker 7: a theft, a great theft, destruction and a theft, and

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Speaker 7: the fact that the court could see no reason to

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Speaker 7: go back and see those those harms redressed. And I

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Speaker 7: don't know what argument, because we're just hearing this tip

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Speaker 7: from from from from from what you said, from what

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Speaker 7: you're sharing here. I can't wait to go back and

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Speaker 7: read whatever justification they put on paper. But there is

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Speaker 7: no justification to be put on paper. There isn't anything

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Speaker 7: that can justify that the harm was done there and

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Speaker 7: the absence of a repair, no repair whatsoever.

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Speaker 5: You know this is and this kind of gets back

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Speaker 5: to this point about Evanston. Evanson is a reparations case

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Speaker 5: right involving these citizens who were harmed by the community.

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Speaker 5: Twenty five thousand dollars per resident is all we're talking about.

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Speaker 6: Couldn't be more. You know, folks in corporate talking about

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Speaker 6: But apparently more studies need to be done.

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Speaker 1: And it was Evanston. I think when you read through

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Speaker 1: Pioneering is hard, and so even the folks who did

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Speaker 7: It is really and those examples are almost anywhere America. Yes,

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Speaker 7: And I know we're rapping here, but I would say

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Speaker 5: I just feel like whatever we need to do to

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Speaker 1: And thank you for your work, Angela. Like you said,

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Speaker 6: So, Jess, I appreciate y'all.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for always carving out space for these important topics.

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Speaker 5: Welcome home, every welcome home, Thank you all so much

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