Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. God Beatrix, Oh, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna believe it. You're not gonna fucking believe it. I
Speaker 1: can't talk about on the show, So if this is
Speaker 1: some cold open bullshit, I cannot use that as a
Speaker 1: cold open.
Speaker 2: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three eighty one,
Speaker 2: episode five of.
Speaker 1: Dirt Eiey's I Guys.
Speaker 2: There's a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where
Speaker 2: we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness.
Speaker 3: Consciousness.
Speaker 2: And you can tell I'm lying because I rose up
Speaker 2: at the end.
Speaker 3: You've seen that.
Speaker 2: There's like some woman going bill being like, if you
Speaker 2: have a question mark at the end of your statement,
Speaker 2: that's how you know somebody's lying, Like that's I've never
Speaker 2: told the truth.
Speaker 4: If that's wait, what by being like if you have upspeak,
Speaker 4: if you speak with upspeak, everything you say with speak
Speaker 4: is lying because you're basically the statement you're making.
Speaker 3: You're questioning the right city.
Speaker 2: It's like you're basically asking them do you believe me?
Speaker 2: And there might be something to that in the sense
Speaker 2: that like I don't know if anything I've ever said
Speaker 2: is true.
Speaker 5: So I do speak. I do do upspeak at the end,
Speaker 5: but I love you. I'm Jack O'Brien. Yeah, will you
Speaker 5: marry me? Yeah, I'd go alowd to do that one
Speaker 5: with up speaker. But then you're like, oh, I can
Speaker 5: get lying, but I do, I did do I do?
Speaker 2: And she was not pleased. It's Friday, March twenty eighthay
Speaker 2: bye oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah three twenty eight. It's National tried listen man. Fuck
Speaker 4: that that's I think sponsored by pharma. It's National Black
Speaker 4: forest Cake Day, National something on a stick.
Speaker 3: Day, huh something on a sick.
Speaker 4: Like corn dog, fucking you know, roasting a marshmallow, a
Speaker 4: couple of hey, anything, I mean in this photo there's
Speaker 4: there's a fucking slice a lemon slice on a stick.
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, now you're just fucking doing stupid shit.
Speaker 2: Like on this as a drink.
Speaker 4: Why it looks like a fucking like just a lemon
Speaker 4: slice on a stick, Like that's some kind of treat
Speaker 4: for people.
Speaker 3: It ain't.
Speaker 4: But also, hey, and I can get behind this one
Speaker 4: National Weed Appreciation.
Speaker 3: Day, but the plant form, not cannabis, city barn.
Speaker 2: The plant form of weed, just the anti resolved Day,
Speaker 2: the anti.
Speaker 3: Yeah round up and all that ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, round up is the anti round up day.
Speaker 3: They need to round up the pharma CEOs am I
Speaker 3: right over here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my name is Jack O'Brien aka oh Bradley Coop.
Speaker 2: It ruin Gemstones when they spoiled me telling me that
Speaker 2: you were gonna be on TV. What a spoiler Ruin
Speaker 2: by night? That one courtesy of hanahamic view on the
Speaker 2: Discord talking about lights a light spoil.
Speaker 1: We spoiled that.
Speaker 2: Bradley Cooper is the first episode, the first scene, basically
Speaker 2: the first episode of a show and it's in Yeah. Also,
Speaker 2: by the way, just downloaded that from Max and guess
Speaker 2: what the thumbnail is for that episode.
Speaker 1: Guess who.
Speaker 2: Bradley Cooper. So I feel like kn't be too mad
Speaker 2: at us.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my
Speaker 2: co host.
Speaker 1: Mister Miles Gras.
Speaker 6: No one is it's Hideo NoHo aka Gray oh Taani
Speaker 6: aka Smokey Sasaki because yes, it is opening day for
Speaker 6: the Los Angeles Dodgers.
Speaker 4: At least as we record this on Thursday, so you know,
Speaker 4: just shout out to my favorite Japanese Dodgers players there
Speaker 4: you go. Thank you so much for playing for the
Speaker 4: Boys in Blue, the real boys in blue, the Dodgers,
Speaker 4: although were playing gray and white blue.
Speaker 2: Why does everybody look at me weird when I do
Speaker 2: the back the Blue chant at the Dodgers, it's a wait,
Speaker 2: it's opening day today?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, where I mean the boys? Yeah? Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh on Thursday it was it was Yes, I did.
Speaker 4: I did cop to the reality of what we're recording to.
Speaker 4: Just say, that's why I'm doing Dodgers. Aka's right now. Sorry,
Speaker 4: shout out to another spoiler. Yeah, shout the mookie bets.
Speaker 4: Glad he's back out there.
Speaker 3: Is he know he was really sick?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Is he still sick?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: He got really said you love fifteen pounds. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: then he said his body was eating it so from
Speaker 4: the inside.
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: Oh, he says he'll be ready after Yeah, okay, we'll see.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, having your body be eaten from the
Speaker 4: inside isn't the best preparation for opening Day, but hey,
Speaker 4: to each their own.
Speaker 2: That's like how I would describe indigestion, by the way, like,
Speaker 2: I'm so dramatic, bab babe, Either kill me or just get.
Speaker 3: Out of here. My body's eating it, so how many
Speaker 3: folds of cereal? Did you eat? Like the whole scene,
Speaker 3: the whole box?
Speaker 2: And then I started on a second one, the cereal
Speaker 2: or a boros m m okay, no man can escape Miles.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: In our third hilarious stand up comedian actor musician like
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Speaker 1: I know that's right.
Speaker 2: You can listen to his podcast, Colbrew Got Me Like Anywhere.
Speaker 2: Speaking of cold Brew, I believe he is the only
Speaker 2: guest we've had where we had to stop down a
Speaker 2: recording so he could eat a hard boiled egg because
Speaker 2: he was too cranked up on that demon mud water.
Speaker 2: His book, The Advice Ring Anthology is available now anywhere
Speaker 2: fine books are sold. The poetry window is open because
Speaker 2: it's Chris motherfucking Craft.
Speaker 1: Wait, what's up that someone sent me up? Aka okay
Speaker 1: from Victoria g But I don't know if I can
Speaker 1: do it. It's pretty long. The feed's now live, the
Speaker 1: MIC's turned up, and long ago for break the clock
Speaker 1: was struck. But he's sipping his Colbrew and slinging advice
Speaker 1: and opening the poetry window. He's going the distance.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, saying, hey can Miles and I guess what
Speaker 2: is so?
Speaker 1: I know, it sounds like a Gregorian chant up until
Speaker 1: he's going the distance. He's commanding the feed. He's not alone,
Speaker 1: not alone on his z on the Zeitgeist show, because
Speaker 1: he's ranning and raving and blowing through time. He's a poet,
Speaker 1: a thinker who opened your mind. He's going that distance
Speaker 1: with cold Brew in tow finding treasures in the mud
Speaker 1: where the water's.
Speaker 3: Slow, where the water slow.
Speaker 1: Hell, no idea, I didn't write this. Thank you, Victoria
Speaker 1: gen that's great.
Speaker 3: Shut out.
Speaker 1: All in all, it's just another brick in the Chris Crofton.
Speaker 2: Also a classic Crofton. Aka, all in all, it's just
Speaker 2: another brick in the Chris crafted Crofting.
Speaker 3: Hey Crofting, leave cold brew alone. That's the other one,
Speaker 3: you know, when you have to eat that boiled egg.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that happened. I was listening. It was the episode
Speaker 1: that you had Kristin on to me and that was
Speaker 1: a great episode. And I heard, yeah, I heard you
Speaker 1: guys talk about that, and I was remembering. We called
Speaker 1: it a brain wipe.
Speaker 2: My brain went blank, like it was just like a
Speaker 2: short circuit. It was just too too much voltage going
Speaker 2: through at once.
Speaker 1: And it was only a couple It was only a
Speaker 1: couple of times, only my second or third time on
Speaker 1: the show, maybe even my second. So it was like
Speaker 1: I think you guys thought maybe I was about to
Speaker 1: like fall out.
Speaker 3: We knew that, like for real, we knew that the
Speaker 3: first episode.
Speaker 1: I was like because I was I was like completely,
Speaker 1: I was like in the middle of talking, and then
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't get my train of thought back.
Speaker 3: I need like we gotta keep having this.
Speaker 1: This and this is what this is. When I was
Speaker 1: eating like on a regular basis, I was eating those
Speaker 1: Starbucks compartmental like lunch a little protein, like I was
Speaker 1: drinking a huge amount of cobrew and eating that like
Speaker 1: every day. And so I had that with me, like
Speaker 1: I showed up like it was my lunch box for
Speaker 1: daily Like.
Speaker 2: Guys, yeahless joyless, yea capitalist version of Bento boxes whatever that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I took the high priced slice of government
Speaker 1: cheese and smashed it against the hard boiled egg and
Speaker 1: shoved up my mouth and then I was back in.
Speaker 2: It was crazy. It was like something I feel like
Speaker 2: that would have been a cure that Hunter S. Thompson
Speaker 2: like when he'd be like, we need to get hard
Speaker 2: boiled eggs in this man, you know, like he's like
Speaker 2: one too many drugs.
Speaker 1: Irish. Yeah, yeah, it's Irish stuff.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Smitty went down.
Speaker 2: Get him a potato, get a potato in him. Just
Speaker 2: shoving a baked potato in some he's only a potato
Speaker 2: from the ground.
Speaker 1: That's the Irish bottle for real. There's like something in
Speaker 1: your stomach.
Speaker 2: Just folk tales.
Speaker 3: That's all it is. Yeah, that's all it is. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I forgot.
Speaker 1: I forgot to get something in my stomach.
Speaker 3: Yeah you.
Speaker 2: Been there, I've been there. Well, we're thrilled to have you.
Speaker 1: Thanks. Fun to be here. It's been a while.
Speaker 2: Coming from undisclosed locations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm at a crazy location. I'm at my new
Speaker 1: job break and I worked for one of the evil empires,
Speaker 1: one of the famous ones.
Speaker 3: Like I'm not actually so many America, yeah this one.
Speaker 3: I mean, we don't need.
Speaker 4: Just for our own conscious we wouldn't rather you're not.
Speaker 4: Just avoid that much, Chris.
Speaker 2: I think sleep that part out please.
Speaker 1: I'm in the back room of an old navy.
Speaker 3: There you go. It is. That's even funnier knowing where
Speaker 3: you are. I'm in the back of old navy.
Speaker 4: Don't worry dude, we're switching out seasons right now, so
Speaker 4: nobody's gonna miss me.
Speaker 2: But you are in the heart of capitalist empire, and
Speaker 2: the vibes are good, I have to imagine good. They're
Speaker 2: like they're taking all the money.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I'm on like a camp a campus type thing, you know,
Speaker 1: where it's like the the you know, like it looks
Speaker 1: like it'd be a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I also know nobody at this place is going to
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast. These people don't know anything about
Speaker 1: anything except for like what's wrong with the copy machine?
Speaker 1: And they don't know that's not that's something they don't know,
Speaker 1: but they want to ask every you know, like that's
Speaker 1: one of the main topics, Like what is up with.
Speaker 2: A copying back read the copy machine?
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, it's just.
Speaker 3: Like fun benefits, whimsical benefits being it's.
Speaker 1: Just like it looks like it's gonna be fun, you know,
Speaker 1: and then like it's just I don't know. It's like
Speaker 1: no matter how much soft ice cream you give to.
Speaker 7: Of like goolog like oh, you know, like yeah, it's
Speaker 7: still what ifs had sauc served machines or fun orange couches,
Speaker 7: Gulog had.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like had like you know something so like
Speaker 1: said like living your best life or something on the side.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like fucking it's not you know. And
Speaker 1: goolog actually would be a funny comedic device if it
Speaker 1: wasn't like at the front of our actual news. But yeah,
Speaker 1: this is not a gulog. But it's it's just it
Speaker 1: is interesting that I've been trying to figure out what's
Speaker 1: weird about it. It's just like a really fun looking building,
Speaker 1: but the but there's no no laughs, and it's.
Speaker 4: Does everyone just kind of like eyes straight ahead, like
Speaker 4: just getting the work done or like the socializing is
Speaker 4: very superficial because everyone's I mean I get it. Everyone's
Speaker 4: toilt the threat of being unhoused and uninsured.
Speaker 3: So it's like.
Speaker 1: I think it's mostly work. Yeah, I think they have
Speaker 1: huge amounts of work, like a real ton of like
Speaker 1: closely monitored work like that.
Speaker 4: I love that you're sneaking up to record a podcast.
Speaker 4: This is your sid And if.
Speaker 1: I got fired. If I got fired, would be fine
Speaker 1: with it, Like I mean, I don't care, like I
Speaker 1: I'm doing my job the best I can. And I
Speaker 1: did find out in the last couple of years that
Speaker 1: like being freelance as a you know, I don't even
Speaker 1: know how to discuss this without like sounding like like
Speaker 1: you I would consider meet myself to be sort of
Speaker 1: a success at what I do, but but this kind
Speaker 1: of whatever this is, like you know, is not doesn't pay,
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't pay enough. It pays, like you know,
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for my Patreon I have from my podcast,
Speaker 1: and and I'm grateful for the occasional thing I'll get,
Speaker 1: like a tour or something like that, but it's not
Speaker 1: something that you can count on. I had a tour
Speaker 1: that was supposed to happen last fall that was going
Speaker 1: to be a lot of money, you know, a lot.
Speaker 1: But once again, like what I think of is a
Speaker 1: lot of money, but isn't a lot of money. You know,
Speaker 1: It's like sure less than I don't want to say
Speaker 1: how much it is, but let's just say it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's not enough, you know. And it's
Speaker 1: like that fell through and then I was fucked. So
Speaker 1: it was like an emergency like it cause I had
Speaker 1: that lined up and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: the universe is like providing, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like like, oh, it's true what they say. Just manifesture,
Speaker 1: you know, just getting a good mood and and and
Speaker 1: you know, and and that happened at a time where
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this isn't going to
Speaker 1: work out. And then it was like in the mail,
Speaker 1: like an offer from some people, I like, saying, come
Speaker 1: out and do this thing, and it just didn't. And
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at them. It just got can and
Speaker 1: that's that. But that was the end of Then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it was like, oh, I can't manifest
Speaker 1: my way out of the fact that I have like
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars, you know what I mean. So it's like,
Speaker 1: so I had to get a job. So I'm at
Speaker 1: a job and I'm very grateful to have it. But
Speaker 1: I will say that there's not a lot of room
Speaker 1: to move up anymore for anybody. You're sort of in
Speaker 1: your job. And that's that's what it like. There's not
Speaker 1: I don't feel like there's much excitement. You kind of know,
Speaker 1: you have a basic idea of where you're gonna go,
Speaker 1: and it's not going to be too far vertically, it's
Speaker 1: going to be maybe, you know, I don't think the
Speaker 1: spirit I don't know I'm sure, like there have been
Speaker 1: a million jobs like this, but but they don't present
Speaker 1: themselves as fun usually. I think that's the difference. Like
Speaker 1: if he worked at like, you know, I don't know, there's.
Speaker 2: Something word yeah, at like the Ford Factory in the
Speaker 2: seventies or eighties or nineties, Yes, and like this will
Speaker 2: be fun.
Speaker 1: Henry Ford like also like even though he was probably
Speaker 1: a horrible lawyer, and I think he was like and
Speaker 1: everything yeah yeah, okay, so but you know, he still
Speaker 1: didn't like, he didn't like, he didn't like wear a speedo.
Speaker 1: He didn't like have a Henry Ford like action calendar
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty eight where it showed him on his boats
Speaker 1: and stuff. I mean they didn't rub it in like
Speaker 1: I mean they did, but it was just like different.
Speaker 1: You can see these these guys that are running your
Speaker 1: company now in bathing suits, like just being like fuck
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like that is not like a lot of the jobs
Speaker 1: that this company require a lot of like ability. But
Speaker 1: you're serving people who are like, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: they're not good. They don't even pretend, you know, they
Speaker 1: don't even pretend that this is this is just a
Speaker 1: transactional You're just working for something that has no goal
Speaker 1: other than money. There's no other thing they're even talking about.
Speaker 1: They're not even trying to disguise it, you know, except
Speaker 1: for with the living your best life neon even that.
Speaker 1: It's like, now that Trump's in office, all that rings
Speaker 1: completely hollow because all of these oligarchs just lined up,
Speaker 1: all these guys who put up the you know, all
Speaker 1: these like we're inclusion and all this bullshit is it's
Speaker 1: completely was all just just whatever they read the room
Speaker 1: at the time and said we have to put up
Speaker 1: this kind of shit because this is what's happening because
Speaker 1: we got a democratic president. Now, oh fuck fuck all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's disheartening.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, you know, I mean, you
Speaker 1: can be in here and make money at this you know,
Speaker 1: this old Navy store that I work at in the
Speaker 1: hall or you know, but I mean just because there
Speaker 1: was a foosball table in the break room with this
Speaker 1: old Navy, They're not going to trick me into living
Speaker 1: here or you know, being here forever.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I am not really at an old Navy, but
Speaker 1: somewhere in between an old Navy and and what a
Speaker 1: World bank basically somewhere in between Old Navy and Raytheon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, right right, I mean I think it is.
Speaker 4: It is something when just thinking of like you're like
Speaker 4: your point about mobility right now and opportunities for employment
Speaker 4: and the ones that you have. It's like like some
Speaker 4: people are lucky enough to like work at a place
Speaker 4: that feels like it's doing the right things, and most
Speaker 4: of us just work at the death Star, you know,
Speaker 4: and like it is what it is. But the other
Speaker 4: thing too, it's wild that with all this going on,
Speaker 4: like it's you constantly, I keep seeing these.
Speaker 3: Headlines like what are the chances of a recession? The
Speaker 3: recession to the markets, It's it's we're getting close to
Speaker 3: recession territory. I'm like, anecdotally from everything I'm experiencing and
Speaker 3: seeing around me, I would say, this is a recession
Speaker 3: that works, yes, and like to and we're just doing
Speaker 3: the thing or the media is doing like the mainstream
Speaker 3: media is doing the thing.
Speaker 4: Like you know, it's kind of rocky right now, and
Speaker 4: you know things are a little bit harder for consumers
Speaker 4: and and borrowing rates bl blah blah blah. But like
Speaker 4: you look at what the situation is for people, it's
Speaker 4: hard to say that this is anything but that, and
Speaker 4: we've been there for quite some time now. It's more
Speaker 4: about like what's the Wall Street definition of it?
Speaker 2: But I think the market isn't technically in a recession. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so they're gonno that I'm going to go back to
Speaker 2: the ViBe's economy, you know what I mean. The ViBe's
Speaker 2: economy is in the fucking gutter, and I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people like, yeah, it's it's just very very
Speaker 2: The job numbers are predictable. Okay, they don't indicate a recession,
Speaker 2: but the jobs are bad and they're not allowing for
Speaker 2: upward mobility.
Speaker 3: The job's number meaning what's the number of jobs you got? Right?
Speaker 1: Exactly right.
Speaker 2: We got seventeen jobs for this guy, so that really
Speaker 2: helps our numbers.
Speaker 4: Like this is like the Jamaican family sketch from in
Speaker 4: Living Color, like from back in the day.
Speaker 1: My coworkers are younger than me, which is not surprising
Speaker 1: as I'm the oldest person in the world. But uh,
Speaker 1: but I will say that they are they have side
Speaker 1: hustles that are not going to make them billionaires, and
Speaker 1: they I think kind of hold out hope that they
Speaker 1: are going to. But I'm from the outside. I find
Speaker 1: it also sort of like, I mean, you have jobs
Speaker 1: where you have to have these dreams that that you know.
Speaker 1: And I'm not faulting someone for having a dream at all,
Speaker 1: because those are the things that keep you going. But yeah,
Speaker 1: at the same time, looking at it as an older
Speaker 1: person looking at a younger person, younger person in this
Speaker 1: environment trying to have a side hustle where they really
Speaker 1: think maybe they can, but they have no connections and
Speaker 1: no family money, it ain't gonna happen. It's just it's
Speaker 1: not It's not like you can just do some like
Speaker 1: mom and pop store when the rent is like this,
Speaker 1: and you can start some online ordering thing maybe, but
Speaker 1: I mean you can start something where you're selling crafts
Speaker 1: or whatever. But it's like, but then it's not gonna
Speaker 1: get you.
Speaker 4: Consumer confidence as though people don't have the money to
Speaker 4: even buy these things. It's it's also connected and yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like whether your business does well is very much
Speaker 1: connected to could you do a GoFundMe and raise one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars right, Like it's the same. It's all networks. Now,
Speaker 1: there's no anyway it's just sort of hard. I think
Speaker 1: it's hard, especially for young people because you know, there
Speaker 1: was a shot at when I was younger at renting
Speaker 1: some storefront, you know, because it wasn't five grand a month,
Speaker 1: it was probably like three hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: A month or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know making this shit up. I've never had
Speaker 1: a business.
Speaker 3: But it's okay. I like that. I like that number.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you used to be hard when I was growing up.
Speaker 1: You could start a bowling alley for sixty.
Speaker 8: Dollars start a bullet, but you just get a long
Speaker 8: It's so believable though, too, because I mean, like we
Speaker 8: always hear about what people bought their houses back in
Speaker 8: the day, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fuck? Yeah, hello, is it too much for
Speaker 2: the house? We got to give them, leave them money
Speaker 2: for their bowling league. Fifty dollars.
Speaker 1: It's sixty dollars to the whole building. Okay, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: saw that, all right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like the looks of it.
Speaker 1: Is it long though?
Speaker 2: Is it a long building?
Speaker 3: How long it is?
Speaker 2: How long is your Oh that's too short? Than trying
Speaker 2: to do a bowling buyer's market for anyone looking to
Speaker 2: start a bowling alley.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I have.
Speaker 2: The deeper we get into this, the more it feels
Speaker 2: like it's really bad and bleak. And in America, like
Speaker 2: people don't allow themselves to say that, and so there's
Speaker 2: no like community being built around it. There's nobody like Instead,
Speaker 2: you just have to have a side hustle where you
Speaker 2: flew yourself into being like this is my meal, take
Speaker 2: it out, and then I'll be one of the like
Speaker 2: one in a million that like gets out of the
Speaker 2: bleak situation that we're all in. And I think that's
Speaker 2: the thing that separates America is that you have you
Speaker 2: either believe that you are going to succeed or you
Speaker 2: are like told it's your fault. I feel like it's
Speaker 2: like because like everything's a meritocracy.
Speaker 4: And culturally, like yeah, culturally too, Like to be an
Speaker 4: American is just to participate in this like constant perpetual
Speaker 4: act of self denial over the fact that you're vulnerable. Right,
Speaker 4: you know, there's no like to your point, like we
Speaker 4: we don't have a culture that embraces being honest about
Speaker 4: how bad things are actually right, and I think when
Speaker 4: we're not, and like you can see that how that's
Speaker 4: reflected even how politicians like message things back, Like it's
Speaker 4: the people that are saying like it's so fucking bad
Speaker 4: right now, you won't believe it that are getting more
Speaker 4: attention than the people who are just trying to kind
Speaker 4: of couch everything in this sort of like faux optimism
Speaker 4: without being really realistic about like what is ailing us.
Speaker 2: It's the mayor from jobs where you know, well, it's
Speaker 2: just like, no, it's good, we're good.
Speaker 3: Everybody could go swimming.
Speaker 1: We're good, We're good.
Speaker 3: Everybody.
Speaker 2: You guys are nay sayers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean everybody who's got three jobs too,
Speaker 1: say they're trying to do two side hustles and their
Speaker 1: regular job, or two regular jobs and two side hustles.
Speaker 1: They don't even know. Like what I'm finding out is
Speaker 1: most people don't even know what's going on at all,
Speaker 1: like they're gonna be So I told my coworker like, god,
Speaker 1: can you believe Elon Musk coming for Social Security? And
Speaker 1: she was like, Elon Musk, what does he have to
Speaker 1: do with social security? What do you mean what would
Speaker 1: he have to do with social security?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't, you know. I mean people who have kids.
Speaker 1: This is a person who has kids. They have no
Speaker 1: time to even fucking they're working every minute. Then like
Speaker 1: usually if they're at work ten extra minutes, they have
Speaker 1: to call their mother to go pick up the kid
Speaker 1: because they can't be there right.
Speaker 3: On time because they need it.
Speaker 1: And get fired. It's like fifteen minutes. I'll stay fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes after work, So that means I have to that
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. Screws up my entire hair. I don't know
Speaker 1: how to put it, Like, you know, everything's so close together,
Speaker 1: like you don't miss any Yeah, so it's like I
Speaker 1: can't now that I have to stay five more minutes.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss my daughter. I have to do this.
Speaker 1: Then that means my daughter's gonna be over my mom's house, not.
Speaker 3: Check up over there.
Speaker 1: And it's just an endless And then in the middle
Speaker 1: of that, like I'm just a single guy who's like,
Speaker 1: have you heard about Elon Musk? Is he doing something?
Speaker 1: What is he doing?
Speaker 4: I thought he was just some rich guy with cold
Speaker 4: brew breath. Kept keeps asking me about Elon Musk?
Speaker 1: Why are you so old working at Old Navy? I
Speaker 1: guess it's on a friend.
Speaker 2: They're trying to live up to their name. Let's take
Speaker 2: a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 3: And we're back.
Speaker 2: And we might get to some news stories, but we
Speaker 2: also are going to get to know you, Chris a
Speaker 2: little bit better by asking you. What is something from
Speaker 2: your search history that is revealing about who you are?
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you one quick one so we can
Speaker 1: get moving. It's just I was searching what I I
Speaker 1: do sometimes as I go on YouTube. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys have ever.
Speaker 3: Heard search.
Speaker 4: On you?
Speaker 1: And is that that's just the letter you?
Speaker 2: And then two.
Speaker 1: I'll set I'll send you the link.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, cool, It's yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: This great thing. Anyway. I have a tattooed it I
Speaker 1: got during the pandemic. I have a big back piece,
Speaker 1: a YouTube backpiece.
Speaker 3: YouTube.
Speaker 1: So I was on YouTube and I searched something I do.
Speaker 1: I just searched documentary and then like a random year,
Speaker 1: so I searched documentary nineteen eighty one. And it's also
Speaker 1: so I can get content from my brother's website. My
Speaker 1: brother has a website called channel nonfiction dot com, and
Speaker 1: he like, he loves. We both love documentaries and we
Speaker 1: kind of bonded over like Grey Gardens in the nineties.
Speaker 1: You know, I was like, the first time I saw
Speaker 1: Greg Gardens, it was like, I don't want to watch
Speaker 1: any more regular movies.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is about two people who were related to the
Speaker 2: Kennedys and were like former heiresses who just like lived
Speaker 2: in a dissolving, dilapidating, delating, real grown manner in where
Speaker 2: what it was like in the Hampton East Hampton.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they had like they both had you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, depression, clinical depression or something that they
Speaker 1: let the place.
Speaker 3: Fall around around.
Speaker 1: And also that thing where two people together both get crazy,
Speaker 1: like called like you know those two Swedish twins who
Speaker 1: went crazy and like on the motorway or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, well it was a different set of codefended twins,
Speaker 1: uh were conjoined. That's the difference. That's why they could
Speaker 1: share a hair dryer. But this this was like a
Speaker 1: when two people are together, they're psychotic, and if they're
Speaker 1: not together, it doesn't it doesn't like manifest until they're together.
Speaker 2: And I know you're talking about our podcast.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, well three of us that's true.
Speaker 3: So okay.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so Great Gardens is a great documentary by the
Speaker 1: Mazles brothers, same guys who did give Me Shelter. And
Speaker 1: I was looking up documentary and I found such a
Speaker 1: great documentary. I couldn't believe it, because if you put
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty one, I don't know, you'll end up
Speaker 1: getting a lot of like best of the eighties documentary
Speaker 1: that was made like last year, and it's just like.
Speaker 2: Oh, nineteen eighty one, what happened in the year nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty one? Atari Yes, it was one point sews.
Speaker 1: I was stunned that I found such a great one.
Speaker 1: And it's called Root sixty six and it came out
Speaker 1: in I guess it says shot in nineteen eighty one,
Speaker 1: and it came out in nineteen eighty five, so I
Speaker 1: don't know why it was shot, and I don't think
Speaker 1: it was shot in nineteen eighty one. But anyway, it's
Speaker 1: like a someone just ripped it from a DVD or something.
Speaker 1: And it's called Root sixty six. That was made by
Speaker 1: John T. Davis, that's a director. And I'll send you
Speaker 1: guys the link so you can share it. But it
Speaker 1: is a shot on film, almost two hour documentary that
Speaker 1: was made for British TV about Route sixty six in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, and this guy was a socially minded filmmaker,
Speaker 1: so he interviewed all these down and out people, stuck
Speaker 1: the camera in all these old bars and talked to
Speaker 1: the regulars and stuff, and talk to people in motels,
Speaker 1: talk to some guy from Texas who wanted to wanted
Speaker 1: Texas to secede, and was talking about all the same
Speaker 1: shit that's being talked about right now. And you realize,
Speaker 1: basically America is in the exact same spot it was
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty five, except now no one is making
Speaker 1: documentaries like this because the five people that fund everything
Speaker 1: have no interest in them, in them being made right.
Speaker 1: So that's what knocked me out. Like things were really
Speaker 1: bad in nineteen eighty four, but the difference was, like
Speaker 1: things are so much worse now, but they feel better
Speaker 1: because we do not see it. We do not see
Speaker 1: that all those towns that are in this, all these
Speaker 1: towns that are like under financial pressure because the factory
Speaker 1: is closing, those towns are now boarded up and full
Speaker 1: of people overdose on opioids, and we just don't know
Speaker 1: about it. And while they cut funding to PBS and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I mean, this is part of the plan.
Speaker 1: Make everyone, you know, cut, make it so no one
Speaker 1: can go to college, make it so no one knows
Speaker 1: anybody's poor, make it so you know, everybody stays yes,
Speaker 1: are you know? Anyway? So this documentary is a beautiful documentary,
Speaker 1: but it's also well made in the sense that it
Speaker 1: talks to a lot of fucked up people who are
Speaker 1: suffering in nineteen eighty four, and I can you know,
Speaker 1: it is so much worse now. But it's really funny
Speaker 1: because I just don't it just doesn't get reflected back
Speaker 1: to us in the media. But it's also great because
Speaker 1: I love seeing people hanging out in bars in the eighties.
Speaker 1: It's tons of stage.
Speaker 3: You like to see, Oh my god, it's so.
Speaker 1: Many cigarettes and they're so long, and they're so white.
Speaker 1: Everyone's cigarette that's like four feet long. Just this country,
Speaker 1: This country is found, dude.
Speaker 4: I'm smoking at Benson and Hedges six thousand.
Speaker 1: About this country is cigarettes as long as hell.
Speaker 3: I'm like those old like nostalgic cigarette vending machines that
Speaker 3: were like wood pants, like wood grain pants.
Speaker 1: I use those chunk chunk chunk those old Yeah, I
Speaker 1: pled I pulled those from like my life depended on it.
Speaker 2: They had the same like dependent but my life.
Speaker 3: Depended on your life was pulling on.
Speaker 2: Those the same arm as the pinball machine.
Speaker 1: I feel like, oh yeah, yeah, arm, My arm was
Speaker 1: over developed back then from pulling on cigarette machines.
Speaker 2: He had just a huge right trap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this machine stuck. Hey, get the Yankee
Speaker 3: in here, hey, Chris.
Speaker 1: All the real men, all the real men of the
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties had over developed arms from pulling on one
Speaker 1: arm bandits cigarette machines, that's a arm wrestling, yeah, and
Speaker 1: playing and playing vicious pac Man tournaments.
Speaker 3: Chris, what's something you think is underrated?
Speaker 1: How funny Republicans are? Because I was thinking about this, DJ,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a lighter look we can because
Speaker 1: there's nothing funny about Republicans really. But also Republicans don't
Speaker 1: understand how these like crazed libertarians took over their party
Speaker 1: because they actually thought they were about balancing the budget
Speaker 1: at some point, you know what I mean, Like my
Speaker 1: mom was just like, I'm just for fiscal responsibilities.
Speaker 3: Just like, why the fuck is this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're laying off the entire Center for Disease Control.
Speaker 1: What does that do with anything?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So Lost Money Center for Disease Control.
Speaker 1: Yes, she doesn't, you know, like she doesn't understand in
Speaker 1: a good way. Like Republicans are like waking up, but
Speaker 1: it's a little too late. You know. I expected Republicans
Speaker 1: to jostle or you know, come awake a little, like
Speaker 1: who cares if you wake up?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: It's too late? Oh wait you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, so they're not even close to waking up.
Speaker 2: I feel like still right.
Speaker 4: No, I mean they're in the part where like you're
Speaker 4: dreaming and you think the alarm clock's going off, but
Speaker 4: you're still in the dream and you're like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Why am the fire truck here?
Speaker 3: Why is the fire alarm? Why am I going to
Speaker 3: the bathroom in this dream? Right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah? To the bathroom?
Speaker 1: So so what is funny about it is like like
Speaker 1: they don't know anything and they think that that's a
Speaker 1: good way to be. Like basically, they're like, I don't
Speaker 1: need to know anything because I'm a white supremacist, and
Speaker 1: white supremacist don't need to know anything because white people
Speaker 1: automatically know everything when they're born. It's all loaded in there,
Speaker 1: and we already know everything already, so we don't need
Speaker 1: to know anything else. All we need to do is
Speaker 1: they forget. Of course, that the reason why white people
Speaker 1: have like this huge advantage, just because it seems to
Speaker 1: me looking at the history of the last few hundred years,
Speaker 1: they're uniquely violent and that is the part of them
Speaker 1: that makes them able to do all this stuff. Not competence,
Speaker 1: not competence. It's not competence, it's violence. So like they
Speaker 1: like do a bunch of violence and then they ride
Speaker 1: around attractors and be like this just happened naturally because
Speaker 1: we're so inherently smart. Look what we did. We created
Speaker 1: this law. We invented the lawn.
Speaker 3: There was no such thing as a lawn.
Speaker 1: Until white people made it up. And uh, except that
Speaker 1: lawn was where Native Americans used to be, and they
Speaker 1: kept it. They kept it long, they didn't cut it
Speaker 1: short like you you're trying to order under world. This lawn
Speaker 1: is going up my pants. I want to keep it
Speaker 1: a little shorter because I wanted to match my pants.
Speaker 1: So anyway, so I was just thinking about how this
Speaker 1: signal app thing because I I were growing up and
Speaker 1: or I grew up in white New Canaan, Connecticut where
Speaker 1: these people were. You were bullied out of doing anything
Speaker 1: that required any thought. You know, if you thought about anything,
Speaker 1: they're like, what do you you know, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: You're thinking?
Speaker 3: You are you an asshole? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, like like you know, there's like, oh, look
Speaker 1: at mister Worret. You know, it was back to Rumsfeld
Speaker 1: saying this guy is falling, Henny Penny, the sky is falling,
Speaker 1: which it was in Iraq interac. He was like, oh,
Speaker 1: the insurrection. Everybody's afraid of. All the liberals are afraid
Speaker 1: of the insurrection. You know. Cut to ten years later
Speaker 1: us like running away. So I just think this signal
Speaker 1: app thing is like putting pepperoni on a pizza. Like
Speaker 1: like It's like when I was in Connecticut, if I
Speaker 1: said I want pepperoni, people like, ooh the like mister
Speaker 1: cultural like what pepperoni like? Because white people eat playing pizza.
Speaker 1: That's good enough for us, just playing old pizza. We
Speaker 1: don't like anything fancy. That's part of our white smartness.
Speaker 3: That part of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's no these are this is part of
Speaker 1: our white smartness. We have an inherent knowledge that we
Speaker 1: do not put things on our pizza. We keep it simple.
Speaker 2: That's why I went Kevin from Home alone is the
Speaker 2: most is the original white supremacist.
Speaker 1: So exactly, I don't even know what that means. So so.
Speaker 2: Alone.
Speaker 1: God, I've never confessed that. I've told a lot of
Speaker 1: people have seen that.
Speaker 2: Don't it isn't a lot of dates and I don't.
Speaker 3: You hid me.
Speaker 2: The main central character is a kid who all he
Speaker 2: wants is a plane, cheese pizza. He's it's the inciting incident.
Speaker 2: It's how he gets sent up.
Speaker 4: To the attic.
Speaker 2: To then get left behind him forgotten. Also, going along
Speaker 2: with your theory that that is white su premise of
Speaker 2: this position, the only person of color in the entire
Speaker 2: movie is a cutout of Michael Jordan that he uses
Speaker 2: to scare the robbers. Aware office not that there's not
Speaker 2: another person of color that is, it's like it's a
Speaker 2: shadow of a black man.
Speaker 1: Well, I know most of that because I read before
Speaker 1: I go on a date, I read the Wikipedia for
Speaker 1: that movie. Yes, that you're down, of course, so that
Speaker 1: this is all crazy. What I'm saying, I mean like
Speaker 1: in this the way I'm trying to tie it together
Speaker 1: is I just thought, like signal okayig app that they
Speaker 1: talked about the war on you know, talked about the
Speaker 1: war plans like in detail, which we've all seen now.
Speaker 1: Like liberals, like people who worry would have been like, hey,
Speaker 1: that's not Oh the liberal thinks it's not okay to
Speaker 1: use Signal this app, right, Like, guess what, It's a
Speaker 1: secure app, asshole, and we all use it.
Speaker 3: I use it all the time.
Speaker 1: I've sent all my I cheated my wife and I
Speaker 1: sent all my shit through there, and she's never seen it.
Speaker 1: She's never seen one bit of it. And also my
Speaker 1: friend Doug started Signal and this thing is to secure,
Speaker 1: so you get bullied into everybody's on Signal because everyone's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: these liberals think you got to use these hyper secure things.
Speaker 1: Who because also white supremacist thinks no one's coming to
Speaker 1: get them, because they think no one else in the
Speaker 1: world is capable of doing anything except them. And we're
Speaker 1: one month into this and those fools got on a
Speaker 1: publicly available quote unquote encrypti app, and the whole world
Speaker 1: for the first time that I can remember, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure recorded history, someone some country put their actual war
Speaker 1: plans into a text with emojis and I just think
Speaker 1: it's so perfect because Republicans actually and white supremacy in
Speaker 1: general gives no credit to anybody except for these fools
Speaker 1: that these four you know, any any like little group
Speaker 1: of white men get together and decide that they're impenetrable
Speaker 1: because they're just like we're all together, we're all cool,
Speaker 1: like there's no no one can hack us. Not really,
Speaker 1: And they got hacked immediately.
Speaker 4: By the way, I mean they're welcome, not even ACKed. Yeah,
Speaker 4: just on their just because their own ineptitude. The architect,
Speaker 4: yeah forced hacking. They forced the hacking themselves. They added
Speaker 4: somebody who didn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't mean to go crazy. I got a
Speaker 1: little crazy, but but but.
Speaker 2: That is like but that is like your famous catchphrase.
Speaker 2: I don't mean to go but white people are apex predators.
Speaker 1: Well no, but I mean it's like it's like really,
Speaker 1: I think they thought like like, yeah, we can use signal.
Speaker 1: I mean, really, who's out there? Like I mean you
Speaker 1: think they liberals think everybody's doing all kinds of stuff all.
Speaker 3: The time, like they think other countries have like.
Speaker 1: But like you know, heg SE's not gonna let us
Speaker 1: get hacked, are you? Heeth you know what. I'm like, Yeah, hell, no, okay,
Speaker 1: put this pepperon on pizza?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 3: What is yeah?
Speaker 2: In Asia?
Speaker 1: So yeah, so heg Seth you know, those guys are like,
Speaker 1: we can't be hacked. Look at hegsa's hairdoo. It's that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And I want a button where I
Speaker 1: can make heg Seth bald.
Speaker 3: Yeah when he.
Speaker 1: Fired immediately because they do everything based on central casting.
Speaker 1: That guy looks like you know some guy from a
Speaker 1: movie that looks like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: By the way, I think white supremacists, I think nobody
Speaker 2: is coming to get them. With their conscious mind. With
Speaker 2: their unconscious mind, they know they suck and they they're
Speaker 2: insecure unconsciously, but they they don't let that rise to
Speaker 2: the level of the conscious mind. I think is how
Speaker 2: it works. And that's where a lot of the fear
Speaker 2: and anger comes from. Is they the knowledge that they're
Speaker 2: wrong lives somewhere deep down in the dream world of
Speaker 2: the unconscious that like words don't reach, but they know it.
Speaker 2: It's there, and that's why they're angry and violent all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're dropping bombs while they're while they're like,
Speaker 1: they act like it's like they're not worried about anything,
Speaker 1: but all they do is bomb people because they're terrified.
Speaker 1: Really right, right, anyway, that's my that's my underrating. Underrated.
Speaker 2: We'll take a quick break, we'll come back. We'll get
Speaker 2: your overrated and definitely get to a bunch of news stories.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back.
Speaker 2: And we're back. We're back, and Chris, as we do
Speaker 2: about this time in every episode, we like to ask
Speaker 2: our guests and the thing that you think is overrated.
Speaker 1: Well overrated. And I'll make this I really will make
Speaker 1: this quick bit.
Speaker 2: For everyone.
Speaker 1: What made me think of this was what made me
Speaker 1: think of this whole Republican thing. And pepperoni is like
Speaker 1: deep knowledge of music is also like pepperoni to them,
Speaker 1: like it's like too exotic, Like we just need the
Speaker 1: normal bands. I don't need to know about a million bands.
Speaker 1: I need to know about Pearl Jam, I need to
Speaker 1: know about the Allman Brothers and Government Mule. I need
Speaker 1: to know about quality, good bands. I just need about
Speaker 1: four bands to get me through. Four standard bands that
Speaker 1: go with my goal. Yeah, they go with my pants
Speaker 1: and my general attitude. Bands be hacked right long music
Speaker 1: bands that are too cool to be hacked. So anyway
Speaker 1: that this I had this radio show on college radio
Speaker 1: and a Republican kid who went to Vanderbilt, Kate, had
Speaker 1: a show after ours and it was called the Cocktail.
Speaker 3: Hour and it was mad.
Speaker 1: But they put it on at eleven am. Our show
Speaker 1: was on like eight to ten or something. Best of
Speaker 1: Bread got it and yeah, it was on from two
Speaker 1: thousand and five to two thousand and nine. At some
Speaker 1: point in there, most of the students at Vanderbilt, you know,
Speaker 1: don't aren't aren't interested in college radio, so the whole
Speaker 1: schedule was wide open. So we had a whole the
Speaker 1: whole schedule is like locals and this. But this kid
Speaker 1: was for Vanderbilt, and he was a preppy kid. You know.
Speaker 1: Look he dressed like a golfer or whatever, and he
Speaker 1: and he and he came in and he was like
Speaker 1: and he played. First of all, he's like, man, I
Speaker 1: wanted the show is called Cocktail Hour. Was hoping they
Speaker 1: put it on at five. But he didn't understand, like
Speaker 1: you don't get to choose. Like he's like, they put
Speaker 1: me on at eleven am. Kind of ruins the concept.
Speaker 1: And we were like, yeah, it's a great concept, but yeah.
Speaker 2: It's ruined cool, it's a crazy and it used to
Speaker 2: be called happy hour.
Speaker 1: So anyway, here's the thing about Republicans. It's like very
Speaker 1: much like choosing a commercially available app to transmit war
Speaker 1: plans or not having pepperoni on your pizza because you
Speaker 1: think it's communist. These guys. This guy played normal music
Speaker 1: on college radio. He played like we listened to his
Speaker 1: set as we were driving away in the car. He
Speaker 1: played like Honky Tonk Women, Wow. And then he played
Speaker 1: Pink by Aerosmith is my favorite color.
Speaker 2: And then that's like standard that was in two thousand
Speaker 2: and five to two thousand and nine. That is what
Speaker 2: is on most radio stations.
Speaker 1: Republicans are idiots, and they don't see it because they
Speaker 1: convinced themselves like, yeah, I don't need I don't need
Speaker 1: to go crazy and find out about every band when
Speaker 1: there's a perfectly good band called the Rolling Stones and
Speaker 1: Ladies and Gentlemen. Anyway, so he played, he played fucking
Speaker 1: Honky talk women on goddamn college radio. That's what Republicans do.
Speaker 3: That I'm playing.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys heard this little banger
Speaker 4: from Ario Speedwagon, but we're playing can't fight this feeling.
Speaker 4: I think it's the first time anyone's heard this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not gonna believe this. It's a live version
Speaker 1: off Ario Live from nineteen ninety seven. But he doesn't
Speaker 1: even know.
Speaker 3: It's like with all the wrong all the.
Speaker 1: Wrong band members.
Speaker 3: The original Ario Speedwagon.
Speaker 1: So that's it, that's it. I don't know, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: I don't know if I proved my case, but I
Speaker 1: think Republicans are so stupid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is the Cocktail Hour.
Speaker 1: It is Republican DJs.
Speaker 2: Probably has the number one podcast in America right now.
Speaker 1: And obviously both parties are horseshit. But I mean, like,
Speaker 1: in general, like being a Republican has always been like
Speaker 1: bragging about knowing nothing and thinking everything was going to
Speaker 1: work out just because you fucking you know, use the
Speaker 1: right because you use ivory soap and it drives your
Speaker 1: fucking skin out right.
Speaker 9: I don't need skin, itchy, I don't need moist skin,
Speaker 9: you liberal fuck I don't even know their skins right
Speaker 9: up right, it's just flaky.
Speaker 2: Uh, let's talk. Let's talk about a news story, shall we. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Over the past couple of weeks, we've seen a bunch
Speaker 2: of legal residents of the United States and students being
Speaker 2: disappeared because they either looked like gang members or they
Speaker 2: had the decency to speak up against a genocide. And
Speaker 2: they're getting like in some cases they're just like people
Speaker 2: in masks are coming up to them, and yeah, I'd
Speaker 2: say almost all cases, these people are hiding their faces and.
Speaker 3: Like the tattoo.
Speaker 4: And I was just reading about a guy who had
Speaker 4: an autism awareness tattoo for their little brother and they
Speaker 4: use that as grounds for being gang tattoo.
Speaker 3: Another added soccer ball.
Speaker 4: Anyway, and now we're seeing more students, you know, they're
Speaker 4: than like even students who weren't like necessary, like as
Speaker 4: if as if organizing a protest is worth having any
Speaker 4: kind of attention on you from authorities. But like, there's
Speaker 4: another student at Columbia named Ra Johnny Srinavasan who left
Speaker 4: to Canada because they were just like, oh, they found
Speaker 4: out that she found out her visa was being revoked
Speaker 4: and had ICE agents knocking on her door and she
Speaker 4: was just like, I wasn't even participating in the Hamilton
Speaker 4: Hall protest. I mean I have, like I have openly
Speaker 4: supported the Palestinian cause, but I wasn't necessarily at the
Speaker 4: rallies or o's your problem the speaking at them, But yeah,
Speaker 4: she left because she was just like this is fucked up. Then,
Speaker 4: like there's so many stories like this. Another we also
Speaker 4: touched on Yunseo Chung, who's like another student from South
Speaker 4: Korea who's been here in the US since she was seven,
Speaker 4: but again deigned to have any kind of opinion on genocide.
Speaker 4: We've seen this with lectures at universities, and one of
Speaker 4: the most recent ones was like this disappearing of this
Speaker 4: PhD student ro Mesa Austin who was at Tough's University.
Speaker 4: And again she's getting a lot of attention because of
Speaker 4: her brazen daylight kidnapping that was caught on fucking video
Speaker 4: and it looks like some shit out of a movie.
Speaker 4: Like she's walking on the sidewalk, she's on her way
Speaker 4: to a friend's house to break her fast, and one
Speaker 4: by one, massed agents pull up, start pulling badges out,
Speaker 4: start clawing at her, taking her backpack off, putting their
Speaker 4: masks on, and throw her in the back of an suv.
Speaker 4: And you know, like we see all these things, We
Speaker 4: see what's happening with the government and I think a lot.
Speaker 4: I'm definitely all the time just sort of like internally
Speaker 4: and outwardly saying shit like, oh my God, like what
Speaker 4: is this like Nazi Germany, and a lot of people
Speaker 4: do say this kind of thing. But I was just
Speaker 4: reading this piece by Daniel Besner, who's like a historian
Speaker 4: and he's been on Zeitgeist before. He wrote a piece
Speaker 4: in Jackoman that kind of gave a little bit like
Speaker 4: some perspective that I really needed. He sort of points
Speaker 4: out that while this is all very disturbing and terrible
Speaker 4: and not normal by sort of like what we believe
Speaker 4: to be the everyday comings and goings of you know, America,
Speaker 4: it isn't some kind of like freaky fascism that is
Speaker 4: happening here that comes from like European history. This is
Speaker 4: all actually very American and the laws being used are
Speaker 4: not coming out of thin air. They are American laws.
Speaker 4: And that just sort of gives a lot of these
Speaker 4: examples to sort of help recenter like what we're fighting against,
Speaker 4: cause I think it's it's very easy to be like,
Speaker 4: this is some foreign malady that's landed on our shores,
Speaker 4: and what do we do about this? Rather than giving
Speaker 4: ourselves a little bit of historical perspective and understanding that
Speaker 4: the way out of this is truly like through reckoning
Speaker 4: with how we actually how our own laws are constructed,
Speaker 4: how our own systems of oppression are constructed. Like talking
Speaker 4: about presidents that act you unilaterate laterally without Congressional oversight.
Speaker 4: You know, you point to the fact that while typically
Speaker 4: Congress was the body that was empowered to officially declare war,
Speaker 4: the last time Congress did that was nineteen forty two,
Speaker 4: and since then we've threatened or use direct force over
Speaker 4: two hundred times at the behest of the president.
Speaker 6: Or these weren't officially wars, you know, so we didn't
Speaker 6: didn't officially lose.
Speaker 3: Them either, that's the undefeated. And like illegally detaining and
Speaker 3: deporting people.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, we've seen it in World War Two
Speaker 4: with what we've done to Japanese American people. This is
Speaker 4: also happening during Woodrow Wilson's presidency, and it goes on
Speaker 4: and on and on, and I just think, again, his
Speaker 4: point isn't that we just need to sort of chill out,
Speaker 4: because this is all just very par for the course
Speaker 4: of the United States. But again, like to frame it
Speaker 4: as this thing that isn't uniquely American, is not is
Speaker 4: counter to like effective resistance when this is truly also
Speaker 4: about reckoning with what has been constructed in the United
Speaker 4: States and actually figure out how to dismantle those things
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's hard for Americans to like the
Speaker 2: Israeli quote unquote settlers who attacked the Oscar winning filmmaker
Speaker 2: and like they had masks on as they did it,
Speaker 2: and it was like people were like, oh, it's like
Speaker 2: the Klan again. But right then, when there's these masked
Speaker 2: police officers or whatever, these mask ice agents who are
Speaker 2: kidnapping people off of American streets for having the wrong opinion,
Speaker 2: they like, I feel like people aren't as quick to
Speaker 2: make that connection even though the klu Klux Klan is
Speaker 2: the origin of American police thing, you know, it's.
Speaker 3: Definitely entrenched in it.
Speaker 4: And also thinking about the people who were of high status,
Speaker 4: which is why they even covered their faces when they
Speaker 4: did that, because they couldn't they knew this was something
Speaker 4: they couldn't they couldn't reconcile that with their outward personas
Speaker 4: or identities. But yeah, it's just a I mean, I
Speaker 4: think the point being too is like, because I think
Speaker 4: a lot of people are like, oh, we just got
Speaker 4: to get rid of Trump, but if we don't get
Speaker 4: rid of the rule set that we just have in
Speaker 4: the United States, Democrats use these same laws to justify
Speaker 4: these same kinds of actions as well, So it's not
Speaker 4: I think that's like a lot larger point that we
Speaker 4: really need to think about and also really take a
Speaker 4: second to really sort of settle with that, because right
Speaker 4: now it's students who are who have visas who aren't
Speaker 4: technically United States citizens that they're you know, mistreating with impunity.
Speaker 4: The logic in history only suggests that this will then
Speaker 4: extend to actual citizens of the United States too. And
Speaker 4: to think that maybe this is like well it's gonna
Speaker 4: it'll certainly stop there and it won't come to us,
Speaker 4: I think is really really dangerous and we really need
Speaker 4: to look at what's happened, like especially with this student
Speaker 4: at Toughs, Like I think the only again charged without
Speaker 4: any without a crime, add on no crime that she did.
Speaker 3: She wasn't charge with any crime. They're just like material support.
Speaker 4: For hamas And I think the only thing they can
Speaker 4: point to is that she was in a byline in
Speaker 4: the university paper that doesn't even mention Hamas, it just
Speaker 4: asks the the administration at the school to recognize what
Speaker 4: is happening. That the International Court called this place the
Speaker 4: situation of Goaza for a high risk of genocide, acknowledging
Speaker 4: that and divesting as appropriate, and this is what's happening.
Speaker 4: And I think that's very fucking scary. It's very frightening
Speaker 4: and sadly very American.
Speaker 1: This this this, this is the moment. We have to
Speaker 1: move beyond the two party system or we have to
Speaker 1: abandon both these parties. At this moment, I don't know
Speaker 1: how we're going to do it, but I think most people,
Speaker 1: well not most people, but a lot of people realize
Speaker 1: that we're appealing to the Democratic Party at this point.
Speaker 1: Is is pointless. And only you have to do is
Speaker 1: look at the history of the Democratic Party for the
Speaker 1: even the last like twenty years or fifteen years. You know, Obama,
Speaker 1: I cried and Obama got elected. That's how invested I
Speaker 1: was in party politics back then. And that wasn't that
Speaker 1: long ago. And I and I and I and I
Speaker 1: really thought something good was going.
Speaker 3: To happen, and then they told us something good was
Speaker 3: going to happen.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, no, Isaiah, I got no transparency. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm going to prosecute the bankers. Maybe I'm going to
Speaker 1: prosecute the war criminals from the Bush administration. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean or know and anyway, And that was like
Speaker 1: quite the opposite with Obama. I don't know the stats,
Speaker 1: but I know he was doing tons and tons of
Speaker 1: drone attacks, you know, accident weddings and deporting and going
Speaker 1: after whistleblowers. So this is the thing. Whistleblowers haven't been
Speaker 1: deported because they're American citizens. And maybe maybe that's like
Speaker 1: a bridge too far or it was then, but they
Speaker 1: did everything short of deport They ruined their lives, Like
Speaker 1: the people that broke the story that the CIA was
Speaker 1: still collecting Americans' phone data or you know, like illegally
Speaker 1: the NSA, CIA. Those guys are like, hey, there's a
Speaker 1: whole room in this building where they just have this
Speaker 1: thing that's copying the whole Internet, and they said they
Speaker 1: stopped doing that. Those people all were ruined, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: I forget the name of the guy which I had
Speaker 1: on the my tongue, but that was an American citizen.
Speaker 1: Guy Will Snoweden had to leave. I mean, reality winner,
Speaker 1: anybody who tries to do the right thing generally, yeah,
Speaker 1: gets fucked like hard, not just Democrats by Democrats, just
Speaker 1: as hard as Republicans. So that if we really want
Speaker 1: that to change, you know that there has to be
Speaker 1: and we may be able to pull out like an
Speaker 1: AOC or a Bernie out of the We might be
Speaker 1: able to pull some like greatest hits out of the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party to start a new party, but I'm suspicious
Speaker 1: of even that. But I mean, we really need a
Speaker 1: third party or just I mean, those parties are done
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Yea, we have seen the absolute failure.
Speaker 1: Appealing to Democrats now is just like anyway.
Speaker 4: So well, I think because we still look at like
Speaker 4: America as like this house that like we still want
Speaker 4: to live in, and it's like we're nostalgic for it
Speaker 4: without really realizing how dilapidated, rotten and violent it is,
Speaker 4: and we're like insisting that it can be fixed and
Speaker 4: we're but we're all we're all living under this same
Speaker 4: sort of oppressive cage and trying to think that like, well,
Speaker 4: maybe if we can just reform this, it'll work, rather
Speaker 4: than like what activists have been saying for lazing, like
Speaker 4: you can't, we can't reform our way out of this,
Speaker 4: Like this has to be left behind because we're seeing
Speaker 4: what the status quo for both of these, both sides
Speaker 4: of this political spectrum, how that plays out, and it's
Speaker 4: not beneficial to normal people at all. It's basically two
Speaker 4: flavors of oligarchy. Yeah, one one has like better marketing
Speaker 4: and the other is just more in your face with
Speaker 4: how fucking just brazen it is. So I think, yeah,
Speaker 4: to your point, it's every time people are like, I mean,
Speaker 4: like so many people.
Speaker 3: Are like God, what the fuck are they doing? Like
Speaker 3: we can't even fuck Like these people don't even want
Speaker 3: to have a fight.
Speaker 4: We have that energy has to kind of extend to
Speaker 4: also realizing we cannot let these people, you know, continue
Speaker 4: to try and convince the rest of America that like
Speaker 4: they are the solution to this problem that they are
Speaker 4: also the cause of. That's the third party, which I'm saying, like, dude,
Speaker 4: you running is amazing. Kat Abu Gazle running in Illinois
Speaker 4: ninth District against Jan Schakowski, that's great. The homie that
Speaker 4: is running for mayor in New York Zorn Mamdani, who
Speaker 4: is just again talking that real shit about like we
Speaker 4: are leaving normal people behind and we are emphasizing the
Speaker 4: well being of corporations over really simple shit like being
Speaker 4: able to afford to get around the city or pay
Speaker 4: your bills or eat food.
Speaker 1: And whatever free speech we have left, we've got to
Speaker 1: use it. I mean, like right now, you can still
Speaker 1: run for office. It's not even hard, and you might
Speaker 1: not get elected, but you will get to speak to people.
Speaker 1: That was for me, like just getting invited to events
Speaker 1: where they gave me a microphone, right, you know, that's huge,
Speaker 1: Like being on a podcast is also huge. The fact
Speaker 1: that you guys are talking about this stuff fearlessly is huge.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited every time I hear someone telling the
Speaker 1: truth because it's dangerous right now, but it's a risk
Speaker 1: that has to be taken. You know, it has to
Speaker 1: be taken, and and you know I I anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what you're saying is correct. I mean it's like, uh,
Speaker 1: I'm just as I mean, I'm still wishing the Democrats
Speaker 1: would would do something because I grew up in this country. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm like, God, Chuck Schumer really dropped the ball.
Speaker 1: Whereas there's a lot of people are like, he's a profisi. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's his job is to drop the ball. You know,
Speaker 1: did you forget what you said yesterday? You know, because
Speaker 1: you keep wanting to go back to because everyone just
Speaker 1: wants to have some fun and like raise their kids.
Speaker 1: They don't want to deal with all this fucking bullshit.
Speaker 2: He's like the Washington generals, the Democrats more and more
Speaker 2: just seem like they are intentionally there to have their
Speaker 2: pants pulled down as the Harlem Globetrotters like put spin
Speaker 2: the ball on top of their yeah confetti on their head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's literally called controlled opposition exactly.
Speaker 2: Well, Chris Cross, often such a pleasure having you as
Speaker 2: always on the Daily site Geist.
Speaker 1: Thanks. This was like a mission. I'm on a secret mission.
Speaker 1: I'm not really in the back of an old navy
Speaker 1: but I had to run away and do the Daily
Speaker 1: zeite Geist. But I will tell you this, I love
Speaker 1: you guys, and I love this audience so damn much
Speaker 1: that I would if ever there's some job where I
Speaker 1: cannot do this podcast, I will quit that job and
Speaker 1: I will.
Speaker 3: Do that podcast.
Speaker 2: We'll change our recording time to I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: I value this is the stuff that that keeps me saying,
Speaker 1: you know, telling the truth. That's what keeps me saying,
Speaker 1: telling the fucking truth. And and and uh and that's
Speaker 1: all anyone. I don't know what the end of that is,
Speaker 1: but something something, something, that's all anyone. I always love.
Speaker 1: Whenever I get off the phone, I'm like that to
Speaker 1: you have a great day.
Speaker 2: And also that I don't know, get go get them
Speaker 2: and with your spirit and also with you, Chris. Where
Speaker 2: can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 1: They can find me on Instagram sadly, they can also
Speaker 1: find me mostly on Instagram. You can find me on
Speaker 1: Blue Sky that's where I do the poetry window. You
Speaker 1: can very shortly. The audiobook is finally actually finished completely.
Speaker 1: I can't even tell you how long it's been, how
Speaker 1: long it's taken, but it's gonna be on the market
Speaker 1: in a couple of months. I will once again keep
Speaker 1: you all posted. My album is on the way. It's
Speaker 1: going to be out in a couple months as well.
Speaker 1: And the documentary about me is coming out, premiering next month,
Speaker 1: you know, in May at the Belcourt Theater in Nashville.
Speaker 1: And I don't have a date yet, but I will
Speaker 1: let you know that too. So lots of fun stuff.
Speaker 1: And the other thing is, go read my advice king
Speaker 1: about golf. I wrote. It's the newest one and it's
Speaker 1: so fucking funny. It's about golf making Republicans feel like farmers.
Speaker 2: Nice dog.
Speaker 1: You gotta know, not at all, nothing about golf of
Speaker 1: any use in there. I say that the game of
Speaker 1: golf was invented in nineteen sixty two by William F.
Speaker 1: Buckley Junior, and it was originally called eighteen Reasons to
Speaker 1: put your Kids in Boarding School. So anyway, go find
Speaker 1: my golf. It's called how to Improve Your Golf Swing.
Speaker 1: And thanks again, thanks again, amazing. Is there a work
Speaker 1: a media you've been enjoyed?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, one thing. I found something. So since I had
Speaker 1: to run away to do this episode, I figured I
Speaker 1: should be prepared. Of course I'm not really exactly. Oh
Speaker 1: this one is from a cry You guys might be
Speaker 1: familiar with Crystal Baye one. You ever heard her? Crystal
Speaker 1: Crystal Baye You know, like bay like your boyfriend or whatever.
Speaker 1: Crystal Baye one. And she said, salmon good as fuck.
Speaker 1: I see why bears just grab them bitches out the river.
Speaker 2: It's true. Salmon's good, so good, cooked, so good, row too,
Speaker 2: Salmon is just so delicious, it's very good.
Speaker 3: Wait, why do you think we would know Crystal Baye?
Speaker 1: Because I looked at her account and she has like
Speaker 1: fifteen zillion followers and she's just always yelling and screaming.
Speaker 1: But I love that, just the simplicity of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No. I always love when you find
Speaker 3: black Twitter. Chris's yeah, black Twitter more than anybody.
Speaker 4: And I think that I think, I think, are you
Speaker 4: thinking of that like fake George Orwell quote when you
Speaker 4: talked about telling the truth, Because there's like that fake
Speaker 4: Orwell quote.
Speaker 3: That's like, in a time of deceit, telling the truth
Speaker 3: can be a revolutionary act.
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about that, but yeah, because of Instagram,
Speaker 1: everybody's screwing up all the quotes. It's like weird. Al
Speaker 1: Yankovic probably said that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually Hermit d Frog.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, like yes, the rainbow connection, George Orwell for
Speaker 1: whatever it.
Speaker 2: Is, wonderful miles Where can people find you as their
Speaker 2: workimedia you've been enjoying? Uh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, find me everywhere at Miles of Gray, you
Speaker 4: find Jack and I on the basketball podcast Miles and
Speaker 4: Jack Got Mad Boosties a great episode.
Speaker 3: If you're a Laker hoping snorter like I am, it.
Speaker 2: Was like, okay, Jack, you think the Lakers of the
Speaker 2: dark horse team. I was like, what what do you mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you mean?
Speaker 4: And that they're not supposed to be like their team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like if you're playing two K or something
Speaker 3: right and you're like, dude, I'll pick that team. They'll
Speaker 3: beat everybody anyway.
Speaker 4: Look, that's the fun about talking about sports anywhere out
Speaker 4: loud is those kind also find me talking about ninety
Speaker 4: I like a couple of things over at your Little
Speaker 4: Boyfriend posted if you're white, you can't crash out, you
Speaker 4: can only go bonkers.
Speaker 3: That's right, and and I thought that was correct.
Speaker 2: That was crash going bonkers over here.
Speaker 3: You're not crashing out, you're boker. You're going bokers and
Speaker 3: then said.
Speaker 1: A form of that like four times today.
Speaker 10: And then Maddie Lubchansky at Maddie Lubchansky dot com on
Speaker 10: Blue Sky posted an ass that won't quit and also
Speaker 10: cannot be easily fired due to an ironclad collectively bargained
Speaker 10: contract won.
Speaker 3: By the ASS and her union comrades. That's good.
Speaker 1: That's fucking good.
Speaker 3: It's good.
Speaker 2: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O
Speaker 2: Brian and on Blue Sky at Jack O b The
Speaker 2: number one I was enjoying so discussing film posted first
Speaker 2: look at Chad Michael Murray and Freaky Friday in theaters
Speaker 2: August eighth with like a screencap from a movie and
Speaker 2: page at Boner Wizards tweeted, can only think about this
Speaker 2: ClickHole quote And it was a picture of Chad Michael
Speaker 2: Murray and it said every time I do good, they
Speaker 2: let me have another boy's name, Chad Michael Murray on
Speaker 2: his career. Shout out the click hole.
Speaker 1: That's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You can find us on Twitter and Blue Sky at
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Speaker 3: That we talked about in today's episode.
Speaker 2: We also link off to a song that we think
Speaker 2: you might enjoy. Hey, Miles, is there a song that
Speaker 2: you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a bit of modern day psych rock
Speaker 4: from UK from a band Nice Biscuit.
Speaker 3: The track is called the Star. Just got a nice
Speaker 3: little dreamy, positive vibe to to start your weekend off.
Speaker 3: I think that's a good kind of music.
Speaker 4: So if you're looking for something like that, throw this
Speaker 4: in your fucking tape deck. And I said, put that
Speaker 4: in your tape deck, the Star, Nice Biscuit, let's.
Speaker 2: Tape deck and smoke it all right. Well, we will
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