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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the modern white tail

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Speaker 1: hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm your host, Mark Kenyan and

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Speaker 1: tell you the show. We're joined by West Virginia bow

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Speaker 1: hunter Jared Shaefer to discuss the art and science of

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Speaker 1: making quick adjustments based on the always dynamic and challenging

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Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by

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Speaker 1: First Life. To the show. Like I just mentioned, we've

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Speaker 1: got Jared Schaefer. He's affectionately known by his friends, family,

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Speaker 1: and colleagues as the Ginger Ninja. He has been seen

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Speaker 1: as a really, really good, get it done no matter

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Speaker 1: a very good deer hunter himself, said of Jared that

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Speaker 1: he's not afraid. I think those are very admirable traits

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Speaker 1: how does he adjust? How does he adapt? Because almost

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Speaker 1: this one. Best of luck to all you folks who

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Speaker 1: now on the line, I've got Jared Schaeffer. Jared, how

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Speaker 1: are you Mark? I'm doing good, buddy. First off, I

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Speaker 1: are the few things that would make you say yes, absolutely,

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00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 1: can you give me some more detail there? Yeah, like

429
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 1: you said, so if I see if I see a

430
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: few different deer um doing one particular thing. Um, if

431
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: I see him, I see him hitting a food source

432
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 1: that I wasn't aware of in the area. Um, you know,

433
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 1: maybe there's an oak tree dropping that I didn't know

434
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 1: it was there. No, that's that's the one thing. Um,

435
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: So food source movement. Um. If they're bedded in a

436
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,959
Speaker 1: in a different spot, then then maybe I plan for um.

437
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: And it's it's such a hard question to answer because

438
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 1: there's so many different variables there. Um. You know, if

439
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 1: I feel like the tree I'm in, you know, I

440
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: don't have enough cover for whatever reason. Um, and there's

441
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,479
Speaker 1: a tree twenty yards over that's has better cover. Um.

442
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 1: Maybe the wind direction. Um. I've switched trees a lot

443
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: of times just based off the wind direction. So you know,

444
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 1: I go into an area completely blind. I've never hunted it.

445
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: I'll set up in a tree that I think will

446
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 1: work with the wind, but when you get up there,

447
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: you know, you you discover that it doesn't work. So UM,

448
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: definitely the wind direction. So I would say, you know,

449
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: dear movements probably number one I'm watching for that. You know,

450
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: if they're doing something completely different, I'm gonna abandon pretty

451
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: quick and move over. But then you know, adding all

452
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: those other things, and it's kind of a combination of everything. Um.

453
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: But then sometimes I know that the tree that I'm

454
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: in is the right tree, and I'll stick it out

455
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: because you know, what the the does and small bucks

456
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: are doing, maybe the big bucks aren't doing. So it's

457
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 1: just very situation dependent. And uh, yeah, that's that's a

458
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: hard question to answer. Yeah, so so you kind of

459
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: led me into the next thing I have to ask,

460
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: even though it's still not easy to answer. Uh, talk

461
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: me through the scenarios or the situations where you would

462
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: say I have to stay, I have to stick it out.

463
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: It's not going the way I thought it would, or

464
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: this dear did that thing. But that's not enough. I

465
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: need to stick it out, like one of the situations

466
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: where you're gonna stick it. Yes. The last year's buck

467
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: in Ohio was a good example of that. Um. I

468
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: had identified this ridge point where all these bucks were

469
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: cruising through, and uh, they were only the one that

470
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: I was really after. He was only coming through about

471
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: once every three days. And the tree that I had

472
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: picked on this ridge point, it worked perfectly with the

473
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: wind and had good cover. The main trail that most

474
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: of the bucks seemed to be using was fifteen yards

475
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: and my access was pretty much bulletproof to get in here.

476
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: So it was one of those situations where I knew

477
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: if I sat that particular tree, I was going to

478
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: get a shot. And I think I hunted that tree

479
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: for were different times before I shot that buck. Um.

480
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: But you know, in that situation, I wasn't getting picked off,

481
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: I wasn't getting winded. Um. You know, I felt like

482
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: my entry was pretty dang near perfect. So in that situation,

483
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: especially during the rut, when you've got these bucks, it

484
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: seems like they're on a circuit where they passed through

485
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: every few days. Um, that's when I'll stick to a

486
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: spot and I'll stay in one tree even And you

487
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: had previous years experience there and pictures all confirming your

488
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 1: your kind of confidence in that spot, right, Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

489
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: had trail camera pictures, I had hunted the area of

490
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: the year before, so, um, I had pretty high confidence

491
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 1: that was a really good spot. Yeah. That's always so

492
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: hard though, because we especially folks like us who have

493
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: gotten into this running gun style. It's you know, the

494
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: the dark side to mobile hunting, I think is that

495
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: there is this temptation to always switch it up, right

496
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: because because it's so it is relatively so easy now

497
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: that I can jump to here and jump to there

498
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: and try this and try that, And I sometimes wonder

499
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: if if I overdo it? Sometimes? Um, sure do you do?

500
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: You ever worry about that? And you know, how how

501
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: do you deal with that? If so, It's not something

502
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: I worry about so much. Um. You know, I keep

503
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: saying gut instinct, but man, that's I go by that

504
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: so much. It's just what do I feel like it's

505
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: right for the situation. So, you know, if I feel

506
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: like I need to stay put, I'll stay put. If

507
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: I need to move, I'm gonna move. But you know,

508
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: to your point, it is very easy to to move

509
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: around too much and then not give a spot the

510
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: time that it needs because you know, you're not always

511
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: going to go in the very first set and kill,

512
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: which I mean that happens a lot too. But you know,

513
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: especially during the rut time frame, I mean, these bucks

514
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: aren't staying in one particular spot. You know, maybe a big,

515
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: big mature buck may have you know, a pretty tight

516
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: core area, but if you're just hunting for a general

517
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: like a nice buck, you don't really care what bucket

518
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: is out of all the deer on your trail camera. Um.

519
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like that's when, uh, some people

520
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: should just stick to one spot and uh, you know,

521
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: not worry about bouncing around too much. So yeah, because

522
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: sometimes you just got to give them the chance to

523
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: come by. They're gonna come by eventually if you're in

524
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: one of those perfect places. Um, but you know it

525
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 1: comes back to this this. Uh, I don't know this,

526
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: this is not rule, but montra I guess of sorts

527
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: where we always talk about the first says the best set, right, Um,

528
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: but sometimes you do need to ride out a spot.

529
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: What's the longest you would ride out a spot like

530
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: the one you described in Ohio that just everything seemed perfect,

531
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: You had confidence in it, you knew from historical observations

532
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: and pictures like they're gonna come through. How long will

533
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: you give a spot like that? Uh? For me, typically,

534
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: if I sit it five times and something doesn't happen,

535
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: I'm usually moving on. So um and to hunt a

536
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: spot five times. Like I said earlier, it needs to

537
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: be you know, good access, you know, the wind, and

538
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: a lot of different things working together, you know for

539
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: you so um, you know, I feel like after that

540
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: that amount of time, if something hasn't happened, I get

541
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: I'll start to lose confidence in the spot. And I

542
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: think that that's really important. If you don't have if

543
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: you don't have the confidence to sit there, um, you know,

544
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: I think that's a good time to move because you know,

545
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: if you're not confident, you're not you're not alert, You're

546
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: sitting there playing on your phone. You know, your mind's

547
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: kind of elsewhere. So um, I'll kind of, you know,

548
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: I'll stick with that spot until I feel like, you know,

549
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: my confidence is starting to go downhill, and then that's

550
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: when I pop, smoke and move. Have you ever found

551
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: yourself in a situation where you're hunting, you know, one

552
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: of these new spots, or you're on some kind of

553
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: trip and you went in your original game plan and

554
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: it didn't go the way you wanted to, and then

555
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: you pivoted, you made a change, and that wasn't going

556
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: the way you wanted to. And you know, you tried

557
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: several things, nothing was working. You didn't have an observation

558
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: to go off of, you didn't have a new trail

559
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: camera picture to tell you, Oh go there. Um. Have

560
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: you ever been in that scenario where you found yourself

561
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: at the end of an evening hunt maybe, and you're

562
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: walking back to the truck and you just kind of

563
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: feel lost, like nothing's working, and for ten minutes or

564
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: an hour or four hours, you're kind of in a

565
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: funk and you're like, God, damn it, I don't know,

566
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. Have you have you

567
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: ever found yourself just stuck in a funk like that? Oh? Yeah, absolutely?

568
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: Several times. UM out that way. It was that way

569
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: in Missouri last year. We we went down and hunted

570
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: um during the run it and the weather wasn't good,

571
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: and the deer movement wasn't good, and I was trying

572
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: all these spots that I thought would be you know,

573
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: just dynamite. I just wasn't seeing what I thought I

574
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: should see. And it was just it was just one

575
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: of those trips. It was just a grind, you know,

576
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: just you know, day in day out, not seeing much.

577
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: You know, none of none of your grand plans are working.

578
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: But um, that trip. Um. So I didn't end up

579
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: killing a deer, but I had it. I had an

580
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: encounter with a nice buck, and it was you know,

581
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: getting towards the end of the trip, and I was like,

582
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,239
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm just gonna try something stupid. If

583
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: it works, it works, if not whatever. So I ended

584
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: up sitting this spot, um, right beside the road. I

585
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: was like thirty eight yards from the road, and unless

586
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: literally thirty eight yards in the road. Um, somebody had

587
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: seen a decent buck in the corner of this field

588
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: right by the road. And you know, I looked at

589
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: the maps and I was like, man, it just kind

590
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: of makes sense. Why they're crossing right there, all these

591
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: ridge points down in and they're crossing this this creek

592
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: bottom right beside the road, and I was like, I'm

593
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: just gonna go sit right beside the road, like I

594
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: don't care, you know, I'll try something, you know, stupid

595
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: like that. So I went up and I set up,

596
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: um right beside the road, and it was like an

597
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: hour into my city. It was like two thirty in

598
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: the afternoon. A nice buck comes down out of the

599
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: timber crosses the gravel road and he's standing in this bottom,

600
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: like the brushy creek bottom. And I grunted that deer

601
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: right in. I mean, he came walking in perfect and uh,

602
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 1: I took a crack at him at twenty four yards

603
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: and he ducked my arrow really bad and I just

604
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: barely clipped him. But um, just doing something crazy like

605
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: sitting right beside the road, Um, it almost worked out.

606
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: I mean, if you know, if I'd have made my

607
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: shot count, it would it would have worked. So, you know,

608
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: after grinding all week long and not having any luck,

609
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, I was doing trying to do everything right.

610
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going deep away from people, hunting spots

611
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: that that look right there, signs there, and it just

612
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: wasn't work. But then I end up getting shot at

613
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: one right beside the road. So that crazy. I love it.

614
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: I asked about that because you know, I've certainly found

615
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: myself in those situations before too, And usually usually I'll

616
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: be in that funk for I don't know, a couple

617
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: of hours or an evening or something, and I'm like,

618
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. Just like you said,

619
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: I tried all these different things that did all the

620
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: right things that you're supposed to do, and nothing's working.

621
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: And I keep trying this thing, and I tried that thing,

622
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: and I tried this different thing, and you know, I

623
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: don't know what to do now. Um. One thing that's

624
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: helped me in that situation is and I don't always

625
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: get to this quickly. Sometimes it takes me, like I said,

626
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: till the next morning or something. But I've got to

627
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: kind of clear my mind and say, okay, stop trying

628
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: to figure out, like what what the next thing to

629
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: do is, and instead go back to step one, like

630
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: go back to the very bare bone basics like reset,

631
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: hit reset, and the whole thing. Yep, forget about all

632
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,239
Speaker 1: the stuff that went wrong, and now just look at

633
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: the whole situation as if you were brand new to it,

634
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: Like look at this with brand new eyes. Try to

635
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: look at the setting as if you're a different person

636
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: and you don't have this baggage that you carried with

637
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: you for the last seven days, and and just start

638
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: from start from scratch, start as if you were brand new.

639
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: And sometimes like just that reset helps me. UM, just

640
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: kind of all of a sudden see things more clearly

641
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: or realize like oh yeah, duh, just stick to the whatever. Um.

642
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: When you found yourself lost in Missouri or any other

643
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: situation like that, Um, you told me what your ultimate

644
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: idea was, But can you talk me through like the

645
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: process to get to that point or like, you know,

646
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: did you have any kind of any of that anguish

647
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: that I described, And how do you kind of work

648
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: through that? How did you get to that point? How

649
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: do you how do you handle and find your way

650
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: out of the wilderness so to speak? Um in those situations. Yeah,

651
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: So this spot we were hunting, we had actually hunted

652
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: it the year before as well, and the year before

653
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: the weather was a lot better, there was less pressure,

654
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: there was a lot more bucks movement, and was just

655
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: an overall better hunt. So when I went into the

656
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: hunt this past year, I had that that hunt in

657
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: my head, you know, the hunt of years you know

658
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: the year prior, so you know, I had it in

659
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: my head that it was gonna be big bucks running everywhere.

660
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: I can hunt the same spots, it was all going

661
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: to be pretty much exactly the same, and I can

662
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: pick up right where I left off. But you know,

663
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: three or four days into the hunt, I quickly realized

664
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: that that absolutely wasn't the case. The weather was different. Um,

665
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: there was a lot more acorns, the bucks weren't moving.

666
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: And it's just like you said, you have to you

667
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: have to be able to reset and just just think

668
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: this isn't working. I need to do something different. And

669
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: for me, that's when I start looking just I call

670
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: it just doing something stupid. Just do the most obvious

671
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: thing that other people aren't doing, like sitting right beside

672
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: the road. You know, there was people that were riding

673
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: past this spot day in and day out, and you know,

674
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: nobody was even looking right there. So to me that

675
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: it makes it just more exciting. You know, you're doing

676
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: something that you haven't done. You're you're going to a

677
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: different spot, and you know, who knows. You may hunt

678
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: this different spot with no no preconceived notion of anything,

679
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: and you may pick up one piece of intel that

680
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: helps you start onto another puzzle, you know what I mean.

681
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: You may see a buck in this new spot and

682
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, he's traveling, he's doing this, so I'm

683
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: just gonna move and you know, start putting those pieces

684
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,479
Speaker 1: back together again. So you basically, you know, like you said,

685
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: just completely wipe the slate, start over. And you know,

686
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: I think that that reset is really good. You know,

687
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: it gets your mind working again. You know, you're in

688
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: a different area with different deer maybe And for me

689
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: that you know, I just feel like it helps keep

690
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: me sharp if I keep doing if I try to

691
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: keep doing the same thing, Um, I just get really

692
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: bored with it. And you know I stopped paying attention.

693
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not I'm not sitting in the tree

694
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: paying attention like I should. So, um, you know, that

695
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: reset for me, like you said, just doing something completely

696
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: different as has been really big, a big help for

697
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: me at least when you when you say, you know,

698
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: do the stupid thing. It brings to mind a story

699
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: that Dan Infalt. I don't know where it was, if

700
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: it was an article or conversation of podcasts or something

701
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: he was talking about how you know, it always seems

702
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: like the brand new hunter, like the kid hunter or

703
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: the first time hunter that goes and sits out in

704
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 1: a bucket in some random place. They kill the biggest

705
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: buck of the ear right. You always see those stories,

706
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: and that's always the person that shoots the giant And

707
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: it's like, why is that. It's not an accident. It's

708
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: because they don't know any of the stuff you're supposed

709
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: to do, so they go hunt the stupid spot that

710
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: no other legit quote unquote deer hunter. We go go

711
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: do and that's where the big giant buck is. Um,

712
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: it's funny. Sometimes we probably you know, outdo ourselves, out

713
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: smarter ourselves, over think and uh, you know, go and

714
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: force deer into doing these stupid things because that's what

715
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: we're not doing. And sometimes it pays to throw those

716
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: you know, throw the curveball, do something totally differently, especially

717
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: if you've been doing all the quote unquote right stuff

718
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: and it's not working. Um, that's sometimes just the change

719
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: of pace you need. Yeah, I mean, and and what's

720
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: the you know, what's it hurt to try it? You

721
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: know you're not you you weren't doing any good to

722
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: begin with, so you might as well, you might as

723
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: well do something kind of off the wall. And you know,

724
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: I've always said, you just gotta have fun with it,

725
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, don't put too much pressure on yourself, and uh,

726
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: you know, just go with your gut instinct, have fun

727
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: with it. If you blow a deer out, you know

728
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: who cares? I mean, you're these trips, these out of

729
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: state trips, especially where you have four or five days

730
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: to get it done. I mean, you just gotta you

731
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: just gotta go for it and see what happens if

732
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: you don't kill one. You know who cares that? You know,

733
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: that's not what the trips about anyway, But um yeah,

734
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of what I do. And I think

735
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: it's it's it's fun at least. I mean, it's got

736
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: to come for something right. Well into your point, if

737
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: you if you find yourself losing confidence or getting bored

738
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: or too frustrated, Like as soon as your mind goes bad,

739
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: that's when you miss your opportunity, right, that's when you're

740
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: not focusing, that's when you don't do the little things right.

741
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: So as soon as you lose that mental edge, you're

742
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: out of the hunt already. So you might as well

743
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: do something different to just get your edge back, uh,

744
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: for the simple fact that that will make you more

745
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: effective and and actually like there in that you know

746
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: mentally there to actually be able to take advantage of

747
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: an opportunity if it does arrive. Yeree, you mentioned something

748
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: about blowing out dear um, which brings to mind another

749
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: kind of pivot that I often have to think about,

750
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: which is what happens when you set up in a

751
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: dynamite spot like this looks like a killing set. You

752
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: maybe saw the big buck yesterday and you moved in,

753
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: or maybe not. Maybe it's just like hot sign amazing.

754
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: You get in there, it's perfect, and then you get

755
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,479
Speaker 1: blown up by some doughes um and then you don't

756
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: see anything that night. I'm curious in this kind of

757
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: situation where you kind of blew it up, but you

758
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: don't know to what degree um, will you ride out

759
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: something like that, or will you say that dope family

760
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: group just made a ruckus I gotta move or does

761
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: it have to happen two days in a row, or

762
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: you know, tell me about how you'd raft to that

763
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: kind of situation. Yeah, so that's a great question. And

764
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm sitting in my living room right now

765
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at three different bucks on the wall

766
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: that I killed, and I can distinctly remember getting blown

767
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: at by two or three different does, and I ended

768
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: up killing the buck the same night. So I don't

769
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: pay a whole lot of attention to it. I mean,

770
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: it's obviously annoying and you don't want it to happen.

771
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: But um, I've had enough success after you know, blow

772
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: the deer out that uh, you know, I look at

773
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: the situation. You know, it just depends sometimes sometimes I

774
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: know I'll blow them out. It it does kind of

775
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: ruin the hunt for me. But um, you know I've

776
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: these these two bucks and I'm looking at right here. Um,

777
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 1: they were earlier season hunts. Um, I was hunting really

778
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: tight to buck betting. And you know, you know as

779
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 1: well as I do that that the does are betting.

780
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: You know, they're not right on top of the buck,

781
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: but they're on the outskirts or where that bucks bedded,

782
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: and it's almost impossible sometimes to get in on them

783
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: and and not blow something out. There's gonna be does

784
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: or small bucks or whatever. And in my experience, man,

785
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: you you jump those does up, and you know, if

786
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 1: they don't cause too big of a ruckus. Those bucks

787
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: don't pay a whole lot of attention to it, at

788
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: least in my experience. Um, you know, the the bucks

789
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: I was just talking about, Uh, the one in particular

790
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: I was. I was sneaking in that afternoon and uh,

791
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: there was three doughs standing under the tree that I

792
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 1: wanted to get in, and you know, they took off

793
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: blowing and stomping and you know their whole ordeal, and uh,

794
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: I set up in that tree, just carry on with

795
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: the plane. You know that I'd already you know, taking

796
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: the time to get back into this bedding area. So

797
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm not abandoning, you know, ship. Now I've

798
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: got all this intel. I know this buck is in here,

799
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna ride it out and just see

800
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: what happens. And you know, an hour later, he came

801
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,479
Speaker 1: out of that bed and I shot him. So it's

802
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: a you can't get too hung up on all that.

803
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: But so you bring up you bring up a question

804
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: that I often, um find myself wrestling with throughout a

805
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: hunting season. Uh, and maybe you just answered it with

806
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: that anecdote. But you're walking into your tree standing you're

807
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: maybe you feel like you're running a little bit late,

808
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: and you get close to the tree and there's a

809
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: doll or several dolls, and you've got two options. You

810
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: could either hunker down and try to wait till she

811
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: moves away, and hopefully she moves away and you can

812
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: get to tree stand eventually without being too late, or

813
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 1: you say, screw it, I gotta get to that tree

814
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: and get going and just move and just spook that

815
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: dough on purpose so you can just get going and

816
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: do your thing. Which of those two situations would you

817
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: opt for in most cases? Well, I mean, obviously I'd

818
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: like to set up without spooking them, but if there's

819
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: no way around it, you know, rip the band aid

820
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: off and get them out of there. Just just get

821
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: them out of the way and and get set up

822
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: and uh, hopefully they don't run, you know through where

823
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: you think the bucks bed and that, um, you know,

824
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: if you can get them to run the other way,

825
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: that's obviously ideal. But yeah, I would on those hunts

826
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: like that, Man, I don't want to see the doughs

827
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: like I don't want to see the small box. I

828
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: don't want them. I don't want to have them underneath

829
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: me for any amount of time, Like I just want

830
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: them out of there. So, um, you know, it's it's

831
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: it's one of those risky things, you know, do you

832
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: try to try to get set up without blowing them

833
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: or not? But you know what we need, I need

834
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: like a long distance sling shop so that you get

835
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: a situation that you can like aim a stone to

836
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: the right side of that dough to burst so she'll

837
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: run off to the left or whatever. Or like you're

838
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: hunting and you've got this dough that's lingering underneath your

839
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: tree stand all evening and you just know she's gonna

840
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: eventually smell you or pick you off, and so you

841
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: just gotta get her out, Just give her a little

842
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: get a little pop in the back end with a

843
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: little rock, just gonna move on. I think that maybe

844
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: the next big product that hey, that's that's a great idea.

845
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: I mean you could probably pat. Yeah, I'm gonna I

846
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: gotta think of a clever name, and then that one's

847
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: gonna be gold. Um. We talked about when does blow

848
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: you out and how that didn't really mess up your

849
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: hunts in the past. What about a buck though? What

850
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: about when a buck bust you? And let's say I

851
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: mean there's some places we hunt where we know there's

852
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of bucks we'd be willing to shoot,

853
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: and we're not real picky. But let's say this is

854
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, and and maybe this maybe this example

855
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 1: isn't gonna work for you. But let's say it's Ohio

856
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: and one of these properties you hunted for a while

857
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: and you know the bucks that are there, and there's

858
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: really like two of them, maybe one or two of

859
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: them that are really like the ones you want. Like

860
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: I know last year that buck you killed was I

861
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: think the buck you really wanted to kill, right, So

862
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: what if what if a situation like that happens where

863
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 1: the buck you really want blows you out, like he

864
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,479
Speaker 1: he's spots in the tree and he pegs you hard

865
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: and he's out of there. Do you give up on

866
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: that tree immediately and said, Okay, well it's not happening here,

867
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: I gotta move. Or do you think that he'll make

868
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: a mistake maybe two days later because he's on a

869
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: dough or whatever. What's your thought process on that situation? Yeah,

870
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: when it comes to that, I mean, if he bust

871
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: me and he for sure smells me, um, I'll pretty

872
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: much abandon that spot and and try to move around

873
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: on you know, on what I think he'll do to

874
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 1: avoid that spot, because I think that you know, once

875
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: they once they pick off, especially if they smell you,

876
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna remember that the next time they

877
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,479
Speaker 1: come through. So I'll try to I'll try to play

878
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 1: off that. I might not move too far, but I'll

879
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: move far enough away that you know, he's he's not

880
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: looking for me in that particular tree. Um, if he

881
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: doesn't smell me, I don't worry so much about that. UM.

882
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: I've killed bucks after they've busted me, especially walking in. UM.

883
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: I busted a buck a couple of years ago walking

884
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: into a spot, and uh, I just so happened to

885
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: know he was he was bedded down, and I busted

886
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 1: him up, but the wind was in my favor. He

887
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: he he didn't really know what I was. You could

888
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: tell by the way he ran off. He just kind

889
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: of you know, bounded out and didn't blow or anything. So, UM,

890
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: I actually knew the next bed up the ridge that

891
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: he would probably come back to. So it's you know,

892
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: basically a bumping dump. So I bumped him. I immediately

893
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 1: moved straight to that bed where I thought he would

894
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: come back to, and he ended up coming right back

895
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: to it. Um, he wasn't overly spooked or anything. And

896
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: I ended up killing him that night. But so when

897
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: you say you immediately moved, like when you you bumped him,

898
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: like you were in a tree and he saw you

899
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: and spooked, and so you got out of that tree

900
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: and pulled your set and then hiked a couple hundred

901
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: yards down the ridge to another spot and set up

902
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: in a tree over that bed I was actually walking

903
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: in when I bumped out. He was he was bedded

904
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: in a little bit different spot that I wasn't planning on,

905
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I kind of soft bumped him.

906
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: I guess you would say, didn't smell me, so um,

907
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, I watched the direction he went and then

908
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: just kind of quickly but quietly moved up up the

909
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: ridge to where I thought he would come back to.

910
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: And that's that's what ended up working out. Okay, speaking

911
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: of quickly but quietly, this brings up another thing that

912
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm always interested in. Um, I for years would stress

913
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: over walking super slow and super quiet, even if it

914
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: was crunchy, frosty, no wind. November morning, that type of scenario,

915
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: now that dreaded deer can hear you two miles away,

916
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: and then uh more recently, I just started doing the

917
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: RiPP the band aid off thing, and you know what,

918
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: I'm going to make a racket no matter what I do.

919
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: So I could either do it slowly and be loud,

920
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: or I could do it quickly and be loud. Um.

921
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: So I've started doing that more often. What's what's your

922
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: take on that dilemma? Yeah, so it depends on you

923
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: know what kind of hunt it is. So if if

924
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm early season and I'm honing in on where a

925
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: bucks betted at and I'm trying to set up within

926
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: seventy five yards of him, it will take me two

927
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: hours to go you know, a hundred yards or so,

928
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: just super slow. And I guess this is why they

929
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: called me the ginger Ninja. I don't know, but I

930
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: just I would just take my you know, it will

931
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: take me all afternoon to get into a spot. Um,

932
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: you know, early season, when I know that they're betted

933
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: in a in a particular spot. Now during the rut, um,

934
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: I'm like you, during the rut it's like rip a

935
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: band aid off. I'm getting in there, and I'm getting

936
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: set up so um yeah, just completely depends on the

937
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: time of the year and uh, the in the situation.

938
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 1: Talk to me a little bit more about your approach

939
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: with these beds, because I know you do a decent

940
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: amount of this buckbed hunting and you're doing it in

941
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: some hilly country there in West Virginia, and I'm imagine

942
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 1: that something you're doing in those Ohio spots that southern Ohio.

943
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: Um yeah, what is your approach to finding places like

944
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: that you can actually hunt? Because there's one there's it's

945
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: one thing to like say, oh I found a quote

946
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: unquote buckbed. It's another thing to find one and then

947
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: actually be able to hunt it and kill something near it. Um.

948
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: Can you talk to me how through your evolution of

949
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: of how you've kind of figured that out and what's

950
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: been the trick that's made that work for you? Yeah,

951
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: and you you said it. I mean, it's fine in

952
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: the spots that you can access, and that's that's one

953
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: the hardest part. Um. I know of several beds that

954
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: that you get used a lot, but there's absolutely no

955
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: way you can get into them, or not a way

956
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: that I found anyway. Um, So for me, it's it's

957
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: trying to identify ones that are you know, they're well

958
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: you used, they're used by you know whatever, a couple

959
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: of different mature bucks, and can I get in on them.

960
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes access has to be a little creative.

961
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: Um in hill country, you know, we've got a lot

962
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: of steep digit ditches that come off these ridges, and

963
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: a lot of times I'll get down in those ditches

964
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: and just go straight up the side of a hill

965
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: and one of the better beds that I hunt that

966
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: I've killed a couple of nice bucks out of. You know,

967
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: it sets up just like that where um, they're bedded

968
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: on the side of this ridge and they've got a

969
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: pretty decent sight advantage. But the ditch that runs up

970
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: the side of the ridge, um, you know, they can't

971
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: see down in it, and it also blocks your your

972
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: sound as well as you're coming up. So that's one

973
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: of those beds that, um, the access is pretty good

974
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: and the deer use it fairly often. So that's a

975
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: that's a really good setup that I have. Um, you know,

976
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: I've got a couple of others that are that are

977
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: good too, And you know, really I've only got maybe

978
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: a handful of beds at I feel could produce a

979
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: nice buck, and you know, usually the access is is

980
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: the problem. It's like you said, it's some of them

981
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: are just you know, they're set up to they have

982
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: every advantage and it's really hard to beat them. So

983
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: here's the thing with this style of hunting, which which

984
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: I've dabbled with. I do not claim to be an

985
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: expert in this at all, but I've dabbled and I've

986
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: heard obviously talked to a lot of people that do

987
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: it a lot, and it's it's pretty obviously a high risk,

988
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: high reward type of hunt, right where you're gonna go

989
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: in there and you get tight to a bed and

990
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: either it's gonna happen or it's very likely that you're

991
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: going to educate that deer in some kind of way.

992
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: So I think a mistake that a lot of people

993
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: make is that they hear about the style of hunting,

994
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: they see somebody do it successfully and tout it and like,

995
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 1: oh man, that's the way you got to do it,

996
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: and then they only have like their thirty acre family

997
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: farm that they can hunt, and they do it a

998
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: few times and they've blown that place up for the

999
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: rest of the season. Um, I think that happens quite

1000
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: a bit. How do you you mentioned you only have

1001
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,439
Speaker 1: a handful of beds that you can actually hunt. How

1002
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: do you how do you handle that risk right? How

1003
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: do you either spread out your hunts so that that

1004
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, or how do you know when the right

1005
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: time is to go versus you know when not to

1006
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: do you give each one of these beds one hunt,

1007
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: two hunts, four hunts. Talk to me about how you

1008
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: kind of avoid that real significant weak spot of this

1009
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: style of hunting, this this risk that you face if

1010
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: you're trying to do that. Yeah, So I hunt, you know,

1011
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: out of state, and you know, several different pieces of

1012
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: property here in West Virginia. So I try to, you know,

1013
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: identify what I think are going to be the better

1014
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 1: beds for each time of the year. So early season,

1015
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: pre rut rut, and you know, I'll kind of bounce

1016
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: around to you know, these different spots where I feel

1017
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: like I have the best chance. So you know, these

1018
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: these beds maybe on different pieces of property. So I

1019
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: throw as sit at one bed. If it doesn't work out,

1020
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: I'll just jump to the next one. So I just

1021
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: kind of make a circle, you know, I'll come back

1022
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: to the other bed if I feel like, you know,

1023
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: I need to sit it again, I'll sit it two times.

1024
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: You very rarely, while I hunt it more than twice.

1025
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: But I just kind of try to spread that pressure

1026
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: out between properties and even states even so, um, you know,

1027
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: it just it takes a lot of work to find

1028
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: setups like that, and like I said, I don't have

1029
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: a bunch of them, so it's it's not it's not

1030
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: my primary style of hunting. I love hunting them that

1031
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: way and it's really fun when it works out. But um,

1032
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: you just you need a lot of land and you

1033
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: need to be able to spread that pressure out, and

1034
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: um yeah, that's kind of my my take on it

1035
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: is just trying to bounce around between places and not

1036
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 1: not hammer one area until I blow everything out. Still,

1037
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: another one of the things I'm thinking about when I

1038
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: imagine trying to hunt buckbeds in West Virginia, let's say,

1039
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: or southern Ohio, is these hill country setups, these ridges,

1040
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 1: these draws, these ditches. Uh, the wind thing is obviously tricky.

1041
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: Can you talk to me about how you you know,

1042
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: how you use the wind in a way to make

1043
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: these hunts work? How do you hunt some of these

1044
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: beds with the wind? How do you set up and

1045
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 1: consider thermals and swirling and all the different possible challenges

1046
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: that can come up in place like that, at least

1047
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: I'm assuming is what you're dealing. Yeah, And like you said,

1048
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: it's a it's a big challenge because the wind can

1049
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: be tricky in the hill country. Um. You know, I

1050
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 1: found that I've had my best luck when you have

1051
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: a little bit higher wind, you know, something in the

1052
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: ten to twelve mile and hour range, something that's uh,

1053
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit higher speed but not you know, overbearing.

1054
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: But um, you know, you get into early season and

1055
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: if you have a really calm night, I mean, the

1056
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: wind could just be doing all sorts of stuff. So UM,

1057
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: hunts like that, I rely more on the thermals. Um

1058
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: And that's why I hunt the edges of a lot

1059
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,439
Speaker 1: of these ditches, because you know, as the thermal start

1060
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: to cool off, that ditch is the first thing to

1061
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 1: cool off, and you know it's gonna suck that scent

1062
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: right down the ditch. And uh, most times I'm trying

1063
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: to set up to where the bucks are dropping out

1064
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: of their bed and they're you know, filtering around the

1065
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: top side of this ditch, so it's it's more or

1066
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: less a funnel, but it also acts like um, kind

1067
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: of a wind barrier in a way because you're you're

1068
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: wanting your thermals to fall straight down the ditch and

1069
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: go down the hill. So um, So it's either a

1070
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: higher wind situation or like a straight thermal situation where um,

1071
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: you know, you can kind of take advantage of that.

1072
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: But it's you know, I'll also go into a spot

1073
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: a lot of times and it's completely the opposite of

1074
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: what I planned for. It happens all the time, So

1075
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: a lot of times those hunts, I'll still throw a

1076
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: sit at it. You know, I'll pick the tree. You know,

1077
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: I'll pick the best tree given the situation, you know,

1078
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: with the wind and that. That's one of the aspects

1079
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: of mobile hunting that I think as nice as being

1080
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: able to adjust on the fly, you know, when you

1081
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: go in. But I get it wrong a lot. I mean,

1082
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: there's just no doubt about it. You know, there's no

1083
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: way around it. Will you ever throw a hunt at

1084
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: a bottom? I Mean, there's lots of spots that I

1085
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: can think of over the years I've seen where you

1086
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: find this about where all these ridges dumped down into

1087
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: a little of a bowl, and there's big community scrapes

1088
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 1: down there on the bottom, and there's two trails coming

1089
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: off of every one of these points that drops down

1090
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: in there, and this is like the ultimate hub, and

1091
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: you know they're in there, but you also know that

1092
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: the wind probably is pretty funky. Uh. Historically, I've always said, Man,

1093
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to touch it. That sounds like a

1094
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: ship show. Um, I'm gonna try to get up higher

1095
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 1: somewhere where the wind safer. But I've got some buddies

1096
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: who are like, Man, you can't make assumptions like that.

1097
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: This could be the super Bowl of spots and you'll

1098
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: never know unless you try it. Um, what would you do?

1099
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: What's your situation there? Your thoughts on that situation? To

1100
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: be honest, I don't hunt a lot of bottoms, like

1101
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: you said, just for that reason, and you know, maybe

1102
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm missing out. Um. You know, the bottoms in the

1103
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: area here in West Virginia where I'm at, they're really narrow.

1104
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: You know, you don't have very wide creek bottoms at all.

1105
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: But like where we hunted in Missouri, the creek creek

1106
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: bottoms are a lot wider down there, so you know,

1107
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: I would actually hunt a creek bottom there where I

1108
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: feel the wind is a little more consistent. But um yeah,

1109
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm like you, I don't really mess with it a

1110
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: whole lot. And I can't think of any bucks that

1111
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: I've killed in a creek bottom like that, But it's

1112
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: probably just because I don't hunt them that often. So

1113
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 1: uh yeah, maybe I should throw some more sits out him,

1114
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. Well, that's the funny thing.

1115
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: It's like we get these ideas in their minds where

1116
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: we heard enough or we experienced the downside of time

1117
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: or two, and then we make a rule of it

1118
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: and we say, okay, that's too dangerous to ever do it.

1119
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,439
Speaker 1: And maybe it is then the flip side. Maybe we're

1120
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: creating a self fulfilling prophecy where we never killed bucks

1121
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: on you know, seventy five degree days because none of

1122
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: us ever hunt seventy days anymore, or something exactly. So, hey,

1123
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: we gotta hit pause real quick. This is future Mark

1124
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: and we had some kind of weird technical snaffoo happened

1125
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: during this interview that resulted in the audio quality for

1126
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: my microphone to all of a sudden just tank. So

1127
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: for the rest of the show, I'm gonna sound like crap.

1128
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't know why I apologize. Bear with me on this,

1129
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: but but Jared sounds just fine. So enjoy the rest.

1130
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening back to the show. So so this

1131
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: year and moving forward, I'm just kind of re checking

1132
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: all these things, like what fifth grade math class always said,

1133
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: like you gotta like show your work yet check your

1134
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: work and show on the side of the page. I'm

1135
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: trying to do that now as a hunter. No, and

1136
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: I you know I need to do the same thing.

1137
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm guilty of it, you know, exactly the same way.

1138
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: You know, you get this notion in your head that

1139
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: you know this one way never works, but you know,

1140
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: in some situations, maybe that's that's what you need to do.

1141
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: So you know, that's one thing that I need to

1142
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: I need to be better about, is uh, you know,

1143
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: don't get stuck and don't get stuck in any one

1144
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: way because uh, you know, you may try something different

1145
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: and kill the biggest buck you've ever killed. So so

1146
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: you you mentioned a couple of examples of this, like

1147
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: that stupid sitting next to the road, But are there

1148
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: any other situations where you've been that guy who all

1149
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: your buddies thought was nuts because you did the crazy

1150
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: thing and you did a thing that you're not supposed

1151
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: to do, and you just said, you know, I gotta

1152
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: try it, or I actually think that, even though everybody

1153
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: says don't do X, I'm going to try X. Has

1154
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: there been any situations like that where that's panned out

1155
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: for it or come close or anything like that, other

1156
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: than the one example we already heard, Uh, there's there's

1157
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: been a few actually where I've done some crazy stuff

1158
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 1: and it worked out. Um. The one buck I shot

1159
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: in Ohio a couple of years ago, I actually snuck

1160
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: right through the middle of a betting area, UM and

1161
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: set up it was you know, just the situation was perfect.

1162
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: It was rainy and cold and we had a cold

1163
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: front coming in and I was like, you know what,

1164
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go right into that betting area, like

1165
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: right into the heart of the betting area. And Uh,

1166
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: I killed that buck that night. UM. I slept in

1167
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: the woods overnight. One hold on, hold on. I need

1168
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: more details on both of these because these are the

1169
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: goods right here. So first I really want to hear

1170
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: about the sleepover. But back to the back to the

1171
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: betting bum, Um, what time of year was this one?

1172
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: What time was this in the day that you did this?

1173
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: And then like tell me how you actually pulled that off. Yeah,

1174
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: so this was October um, so pre rut obviously. But

1175
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: we had this betting area on this small piece of

1176
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: property we were hunting. So it's on the east side

1177
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: of a ridge, just kind of a bowl in the

1178
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: side of the ridge, and it had been clear cut.

1179
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: So imagine a four acre like a horseshoe shaped bowl

1180
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: in this ridge that was all clear cuts. It's nasty,

1181
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: thick um. So we had been getting all these bucks

1182
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: on camera kind of on the outskirts of this betting area. Um,

1183
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: you know they're heading back into this betting area in

1184
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: the dark, so you know that they're they're spending their

1185
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: time in that clear cut. So it had been really hot,

1186
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: it had been in the seventies and we had been

1187
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: hunting there for like four days and there was I

1188
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: think there was three of us hunting. It's only sixty acres,

1189
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: so it's it's fairly small. But I just started thinking,

1190
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: I was like, man, those bucks are staying in that

1191
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: clear cut and they're not coming out of there in

1192
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: the daylight. And uh, I looked at the weather forecast

1193
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: and we had a wind switch out of the northwest,

1194
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: and it was gonna be raining and then it was

1195
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: going to clear up in the afternoon. So it's like

1196
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: the perfect scenarios, like these bucks are gonna be on

1197
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: their feet. So it was it was actually still raining

1198
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: of good and the temperature was dropping and I think

1199
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: I left like right at noon. I'll started walking in there.

1200
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: So I walked the down wind side of this betting area,

1201
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: like right on the edge of it, and I just

1202
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,439
Speaker 1: tiptoed in there, I mean, just creeping in there, and

1203
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: uh it was it was one of the bucks that

1204
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: I actually jumped up some dose. They were right where

1205
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to be set up, kind of

1206
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: in the I don't know where the way this horseshoe

1207
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: bends around. I was kind of right in the middle

1208
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: of it. Um, so you had all these exit trails

1209
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: coming out on the bottom end of the betting area.

1210
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: So it took me two hours to get in there,

1211
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: maybe two and a half hours, just creeping along and uh,

1212
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: you know, I picked a tree that looked you know,

1213
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: I never hunted the spot before. I never hunted this

1214
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: tree or anything. You know. I picked this tree and

1215
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: I was like, I think this all works. I climb up.

1216
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: What made that tree the tree? Like? What? What? Why

1217
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: was that the killing spot in your mind when you

1218
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: saw it? Like? What were the fee chairs or was

1219
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: there four of those trails all dumping out right there?

1220
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: Why was that the one? Yeah? So it was like

1221
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: the most centrally located tree um for all of the

1222
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: exit trails coming out of bedding. So basically I had

1223
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: exit trails right in front of me, I had extit

1224
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: trails behind me, UM, and it was right on the

1225
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: edge of the clear cut, like I mean, right up

1226
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: against the thick stuff. So um. You know, I knew

1227
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: that if a buck come out of one of those

1228
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: exit trails, it was gonna be it was gonna be

1229
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: a money spot. So you know, I set up and shoot.

1230
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: I think that buck. I think he came out at

1231
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, four or thirty, so it was pretty

1232
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: pretty early. But I watched him. He come out and

1233
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: he was just feeding, um, just browsing around, and he

1234
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: eventually made his way into range and I put an

1235
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: arrow in him, and uh, you know there was two

1236
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: or three of my other buddies hunting the same property,

1237
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: and they were hunting, you know, the quote unquote best spots,

1238
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: and uh, you know it took me getting right up

1239
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: in that betting area to kill that sucker. Yeah, so

1240
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: what about the nighttime ninja move? Talk me to that

1241
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: one then. So I've been getting this buck on camera.

1242
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: I've been chasing for two years and uh, yeah, yeah,

1243
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: this is West Virginia, and I figured this buck at

1244
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: least I knew one of two. He was in one

1245
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: of two betting areas that I knew of, And I

1246
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: was kind of poking around on the edges of you know,

1247
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: hunting during bow season, and I hadn't seen him, not

1248
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: one time, but I was getting pictures of him on

1249
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: trail camera. So it got down to, uh, it was

1250
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: rifle season here, and it was the tail end of

1251
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: rifle season, so these deer had been pressured a lot,

1252
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: and this particular betting area, Um, there was a lot

1253
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: of other guys hunting the top side of it, I

1254
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: guess you you should say, on the up wind side.

1255
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: And I knew that. I knew that the only way

1256
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: to get in there would would be to get in

1257
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: tight in on that bedding area on the down wind

1258
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: side and catch him coming back in the morning. So

1259
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: my thinking was, I was like, this buck is probably

1260
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: gonna get in there before daylight and bed down, and

1261
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: if I'm not already in there, you know, I'm probably

1262
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: gonna blow him out on my injury. So, um, you know,

1263
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: I took a little backpacking shelter, you know, in my

1264
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: quilt and all that stuff, and I slept in the

1265
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: creek bottom right below, right below the bedding area, and uh,

1266
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 1: you know, the thermals. It was super cold that night,

1267
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: so the thermal stayed down in that bottom. You know.

1268
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: I didn't really have much much fear of busting him

1269
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: out or anything like that, but I got up, you know,

1270
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: I slept in that creek bottom, got up super early

1271
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: that morning, and I only had to hike maybe two

1272
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 1: yards to where I could watch this the bottom side

1273
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: of this bedding area, and man, right at daylight, that

1274
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,439
Speaker 1: sucker come down off the hill coming into that bed

1275
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: and I shot him right at daylight. But he ended

1276
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 1: up being my biggest West Virginia buck. He was a

1277
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: good one. Has there ever been a deer that you

1278
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: were more pumped about other than that? I mean, I

1279
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: don't know if you can top the the over. Yeah,

1280
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: I mean that one was really that was really cool.

1281
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: And I mean, to be honest, I did not think

1282
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: it was gonna work. I was like, you know whatever,

1283
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: I'll give it a shot and just just see what happens.

1284
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 1: You know. I had some backpacking gear that I wanted

1285
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: to try out, and I was like, I'm just yeah,

1286
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna try this out and see what see what happens.

1287
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: And I just got lucky ended up killing him. But

1288
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: that was really cool. Yeah, I'd say that's incredible. What

1289
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: what is the buck that? Maybe it is that one?

1290
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: But if it's not that buck, what's the buck that

1291
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 1: you're the most proud of? Like does anything? Maybe it

1292
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: was how you did it or some other circumstances that

1293
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: make it just like that's the one. If you could

1294
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: only hold on to one memory of all of your

1295
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: hunts and there's one that you said, damn it, this

1296
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: is this is it? What buck kill would that be? Yeah?

1297
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: So that's definitely the buck I killed in ten He's

1298
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 1: a big he's just a big seven point but he's

1299
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: he's five and a half years old, just a giant body. Um,

1300
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: but I had been getting pictures of this buck since

1301
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: he was two and a half years old, and you know,

1302
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: back at that point in time, I would have shot

1303
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: him when he was two and a half because he

1304
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: was a nice looking deer. So so I was hunting

1305
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: this deer, you know, when he was two and a half,

1306
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: three and a half, four and a half. But this

1307
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: was kind of before um, you know, I really started

1308
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: to dive into the beast hunting tactics, I guess you

1309
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: should say. So, you know, in is when I really

1310
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: started looking into this beast style hunting, and it just

1311
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: kind of clicked with me. You know, all all these

1312
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: spots in the past where I've killed bucks, and it

1313
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: just made sense that they were betting in those spots

1314
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: based on the wind. So um, I had actually found

1315
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: this bed on the side of this ridge, um the

1316
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: spring prior. And the funny thing is is where I

1317
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: was getting pictures of this buck like three quarters of

1318
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: a mile away, like a long ways away, but I

1319
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: was all the pictures were in the middle of the night.

1320
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: So I put a camera up on the on the

1321
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 1: outskirts of this betting area and lo and behold this

1322
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: this big seven point I was getting pictures of him

1323
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: coming out of that bed. And I've been trying for

1324
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, the last two or three years figuring out,

1325
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: trying to figure out where he was coming from. And

1326
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: when I when I got pictures of him leaving that

1327
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: betting area, it just all clicked and it all made sense.

1328
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: And had I had hunted that area before, but I

1329
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: was hunting it completely wrong. Like I was accessing it

1330
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: from the top of the ridge, you know, on the

1331
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: up wind side, which is just you know, total rookie move.

1332
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 1: But you know, I started thinking about it. I was like, man,

1333
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: I need to I need to take the long way around.

1334
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: I need to walk in up this creek bottom and

1335
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,919
Speaker 1: then it's three yards up the side of this really

1336
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: steep ridge, and I was like, man, that's that's the

1337
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: only way I could get in on this buck to

1338
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: kill him. So it was. It was October one, and

1339
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: it was the very first time hunting this spot. So

1340
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 1: I access it just just like I played. The wind

1341
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: was perfect coming out of the southwest, so when I

1342
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: went up the creek bottom, windows in my face, it

1343
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: was perfect. So I creep up there. It takes me

1344
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: forever to get set up because I was just trying

1345
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: to be so quiet to get set up, and I

1346
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: pick a tree, I get set up, and I'm you know,

1347
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: at this point, I hadn't really killed a buck doing

1348
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: like this tactic before, so, you know, in the back

1349
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: of my mind, I'm like, yeah, this is ain't gonna work.

1350
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: He's not betted there, you know, whatever, it's not. There's

1351
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: no chance that's gonna work. But I'm sitting there and

1352
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen anything. I don't I don't think I've

1353
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: seen anything yet. And I look up seventy yards away,

1354
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: you know, to work, close to where this bed is at,

1355
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: and I could see that sucker's rack sticking up out

1356
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: of the ferns. He was betted right right where I

1357
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 1: planned on. And uh man, he got up out of

1358
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: his bed and he I watched him stretch and do

1359
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: the whole thing and check the wind, and he just

1360
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 1: starts feeding his way straight to me. I'm like, you've

1361
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 1: got to be kidding me. Is this actually gonna work?

1362
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 1: And you know, he only he only made it probably,

1363
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, forty yards from his bed, and it

1364
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: was almost dark, it was getting close to dark, and

1365
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 1: I ended up getting a forty yard shot on him.

1366
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: And I mean just I absolutely drilled him, I mean

1367
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: right through the heart and I watched him fall. But

1368
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: like that was that buck was my big like lightbulb

1369
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: aha moment, like Wow, this this actually works. You know,

1370
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 1: you can you can kind of plan on where these

1371
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,799
Speaker 1: bucks are going to be betted and if you access

1372
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 1: it right, you can kill him. And man, after that buck,

1373
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: it was just like, you know, it just opened up

1374
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 1: the world of bed hunting to me. And you know

1375
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: I killed killed several bucks kind of the same way

1376
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: after that. But yeah, that buck there for sure was

1377
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: it was. That's a good memory for sure. Yeah, I

1378
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 1: can I can see why for for other people that

1379
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: maybe find themselves in a situation like you were in

1380
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: prior to thousand and sixteen and are wanting to have

1381
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: a lightbulb moment like that for themselves. Um, you obviously

1382
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 1: had a bunch of you know, different challenges along the way,

1383
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,679
Speaker 1: and then the years since you've been perfecting and fine

1384
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: tuning it. If you could give them you know what

1385
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 1: you wish you knew back then so that they could

1386
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: make this work. What would you tell them now to

1387
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: make this style of hunting work for more people? That

1388
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 1: person that wants to try lest has heard about this

1389
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: but has never really had a click. What do you

1390
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: wish you knew that you do know now that you

1391
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: could share. Yeah, that's a tough one because there's so

1392
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: many different aspects of it. But for me, the biggest

1393
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: thing was just learning how to access a spot. Um.

1394
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: I've just been doing it wrong for so so many years,

1395
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: and I just had to look at the way I

1396
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: was doing things and just you know, kind of come

1397
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: to terms with myself that I was just being stupid. No,

1398
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: I was going about it the wrong way. And once

1399
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: I realized that, and then just went into each hunt,

1400
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: you know, just with that with all that access in mind, like,

1401
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 1: you know, do it the right way or don't do

1402
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 1: it all? Do it at all, um, even if you

1403
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: don't see any deer. Um, because you know a lot

1404
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: of these hunts you just don't even see a deer.

1405
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: So it can be really tough. But um, you know,

1406
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 1: put your time in, UM try to find these types

1407
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: of spots that that you can actually access because a

1408
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 1: lot of them you can't. But and then just you know,

1409
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: go about it the right way. Um. You know, look

1410
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: at your access route, try to try to make a

1411
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: plan and stick to it. Even if it's the hard way.

1412
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 1: There may be an easier route in there that will

1413
01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: take ten minutes versus two hours. But um, you know,

1414
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:05,640
Speaker 1: take your time, do it the right way, and you're

1415
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 1: gonna fail more often times than not. But uh, it

1416
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 1: eventually will work out, and it'll work more often than

1417
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: you think once you you know, once you get it

1418
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 1: dialed in. But um, just have the patience to do it.

1419
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the hardest part. Um. You know,

1420
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: I talked to a lot of guys that I explained

1421
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: how I access an area and they're they're like, man,

1422
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,839
Speaker 1: I can never take that much time to to access

1423
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: a spot, and man, if that's what needs to be done, yeah,

1424
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,560
Speaker 1: that's what you gotta do. So, you know, just patience

1425
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: and persistence there um or probably number one for me,

1426
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: makes that makes a lot of sense. And like you said,

1427
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 1: it's a lot of these things are easier said than done.

1428
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 1: And the work or the patience or the pain, the

1429
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: ask that you have to endure to actually execute on

1430
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 1: these things, that's almost always it separates the you know,

1431
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: the talkers from the doers. Absolutely, that's tough. Definitely contested

1432
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 1: that it's not always fun. And I've certainly been I've

1433
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 1: certainly been guilty of sometimes just being like ah, like man,

1434
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 1: but but you gotta do it, like you said, Sometimes

1435
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: I feel like overall here there's been this kind of

1436
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: theme of like adjusting or pivoting or you know, being

1437
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: able to you know, just adapt to the situation. Right. Uh,

1438
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 1: there's there's one more, I guess, wrench in the gears

1439
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: that I want to throw at you. That's something that

1440
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 1: a lot of this experience, and I want to hear

1441
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 1: how you handle how you pivot off of this kind

1442
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:56,879
Speaker 1: of situation, which is missing a deer or wounding a deer. Um.

1443
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,080
Speaker 1: I know a couple of years ago, last year you

1444
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: took a shot at the giant North Dakota and and

1445
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: just nickedim. Um, So I know at least recently you've

1446
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: experienced that once. Um. I actually know a different story

1447
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: too in Missouri that maybe you'll bring up. So I'm

1448
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 1: just curious, you know, everyone, I've never really got a

1449
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: great answer from someone on how they handle this stuff,

1450
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 1: maybe because there is no great answer, there's no easy solution.

1451
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 1: But I'm always curious to hear what people do or

1452
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: think about or how they handle those moments afterwards, how

1453
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: they handle the next day? Um, And I don't know.

1454
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,600
Speaker 1: I haven't got the silver bullet answer that checks all

1455
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: the boxes that and maybe it's because there isn't one,

1456
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,719
Speaker 1: but I'm just curious. How do you handle that situation?

1457
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 1: How do you move on from it? How do you

1458
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 1: how do you try to address whatever happened? How do

1459
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 1: you you know, adapt and continue on after those you know,

1460
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: lowest of lowest type moments. Yeah, and man, that's a

1461
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 1: hard one to answer, because you know, I try to

1462
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 1: look at it. You know, did I do something wrong?

1463
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 1: Was it something that I did that I a stupid

1464
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 1: shot or you know, flinch at the shot or something

1465
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: like that. Like if I do something like that, I'm

1466
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 1: I'm much harder on myself, um than if something else

1467
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 1: would happen. So, you know, in a situation like that

1468
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: where I do something really stupid, you know, you know,

1469
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 1: I just try to keep that in my mind, you know,

1470
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 1: especially on the next opportunity, you know, learn from that,

1471
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:24,600
Speaker 1: learn to have a little bit more patients maybe and

1472
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 1: wait for a better shot or you know, if it

1473
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: if it comes down to shooting, you know, if I

1474
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: miss a deer, um, you know, I'm going to spend

1475
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 1: the next week like really really hammering my equipment and

1476
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 1: just making sure that everything's good and uh, that I'm

1477
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: confident with it, because you know, if you miss a

1478
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: big buck or something like that, you know, your confidence

1479
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: is usually shot. So um, I try to shoot enough

1480
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 1: after a situation like that that I can build my

1481
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: confidence back up. And I think that that's that's probably key.

1482
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 1: Um if it's something else, like you know, you hit

1483
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 1: a limb that you didn't see, or deer ducked and

1484
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: got out of the way. Like, I'm not hard on

1485
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 1: myself at all. It usually at all in that situation.

1486
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 1: So you know, things happen, you know, dear move, Um,

1487
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 1: you hit something you didn't see. So um, I try

1488
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 1: not to think too much about those situations. I mean,

1489
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 1: obviously you can learn from them. Um. You know, there's

1490
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: there's something to be learned from every situation. But yeah,

1491
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: that's it's a tough one to answer, man to me,

1492
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 1: because I you know, there's some deer that I'm harder

1493
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: on myself, um than than other deer. But you know,

1494
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: just try to try to shake it off, but keep

1495
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:36,760
Speaker 1: it in the back of your mind. You know what

1496
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 1: you what could you have done better in a you know,

1497
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: a different situation. So so I heard a story about you,

1498
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 1: and you can tell me if this is true or

1499
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 1: not or correct correct the details. But I was told

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01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: that you either missed a deer or couldn't get a

1501
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,719
Speaker 1: clear shot of the deer because of your peep site.

1502
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 1: And so you decide, you know what, screw this thing.

1503
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: You ripped out the peep site and you're learned to

1504
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 1: shoot your bowl without one. Uh can you fill me

1505
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: in or correct me under details there and then explain

1506
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 1: to me why finally and how you do that? Now? Yeah,

1507
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 1: so that's it. Actually wasn't just one deer. It was

1508
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: I think three different deer in one year or maybe

1509
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: to two hunting seasons. So I had to let two

1510
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: of the biggest bucks I've ever seen in the woods.

1511
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 1: I had to let him walk because, uh, you know,

1512
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: I just couldn't see through my peep sit good enough

1513
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: to to really pick a spot. Um. So there was

1514
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 1: a buck in Missouri. Um, I'd hunted all week down

1515
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:39,759
Speaker 1: there and only put the pieces together. Had this big, giant,

1516
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: heavy eight point come in right at last legal shooting light,

1517
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 1: and it was you know, kind of cloudy that day,

1518
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 1: so it was a little bit darker, but I could

1519
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: see him with my naked eye. But man, when I

1520
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 1: got to full draw and anchor, I could not pick

1521
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 1: out a spot on that deer. So I'll let him walk, um,

1522
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 1: which I'm I'm proud of that decision because I think

1523
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people probably just would have slung one.

1524
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: But uh, I drew back on him three different times

1525
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 1: and just couldn't couldn't figure out where to shoot, so

1526
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: I just let him go. And then I had another

1527
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 1: one in Ohio, probably the oldest deer I've ever seen

1528
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: on the hoof. I have no idea how old this

1529
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 1: buck was. That he was huge, and he come walking

1530
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: in one morning right at legal light. And the same deal.

1531
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 1: I just couldn't pick out a spot through my peep

1532
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 1: site because, uh, my previous setups, I just don't like

1533
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 1: to shoot a really big peep site. I feel like

1534
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:31,759
Speaker 1: my accuracy suffered a little bit, so I always shot,

1535
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit smaller peep site with a

1536
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: smaller sight housing, so that probably hurt me a little bit.

1537
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 1: But man, after that one in Missouri, that one hurt

1538
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 1: pretty bad. So I was like, you know what, this

1539
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: next year, I'm taking the peep site out and I'm

1540
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 1: just gonna try to figure it out and shoot without it.

1541
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 1: So pulled the peep site out, and uh, so I

1542
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: started using the Bomar nose button. Um. Most people probably

1543
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 1: know what those are nowadays, but you know it's a

1544
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 1: it's like a spiky little ball that you put on

1545
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 1: your string and it it touches your nose so you

1546
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: can you can really feel it because it's it's kind

1547
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 1: of sharp. But I stuck one of those on there,

1548
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: pulled the peep site out and started shooting that way.

1549
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: And man, I gotta be honest, like I I shoot

1550
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: better that way than I ever have. Like I just

1551
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 1: shoot so well without a peep site. And uh, you know,

1552
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: I did it last spring before hunting season and shot

1553
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 1: that way all summer. I was dialed in out to

1554
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 1: a hundred yards before we went to Alaska to hunt caribou. Um,

1555
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: I shot a cariboo at eighty three yards with no peep,

1556
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 1: made a perfect shot on him. And then you know,

1557
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,600
Speaker 1: this past season, I really got the test it in

1558
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 1: low light situations while whitetail hunting. So I shot a

1559
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 1: buck in North Dakota, made a good shot. Um. A

1560
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: couple in West Virginia made good shots. Um. Then really

1561
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 1: the the ultimate test was the big one I shot

1562
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 1: in Ohio last year. You know, he came in right

1563
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 1: at right at legal shooting time, and uh, I could

1564
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: you know, as he walked in, I could see see

1565
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 1: his body well enough to pick a spot. So when

1566
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,640
Speaker 1: I got to full draw and anchored, I could I

1567
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 1: could see good enough to put a perfect shot on him.

1568
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 1: And you know he didn't run sixty five yards, so

1569
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 1: that was like, that was all the testing I needed.

1570
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:21,480
Speaker 1: Right there was you know, in those low light situations,

1571
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 1: so you can just see so much better. And uh,

1572
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 1: for me, it didn't affect accuras. If not, it probably

1573
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 1: helped me. So um Man, I've been encouraging a lot

1574
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 1: of people to try it out, you know, especially if

1575
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 1: you're just a strict white tail hunter, because you know,

1576
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 1: most of your shots come in the you know, first

1577
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 1: few minutes of light in the morning and the last

1578
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: few lights, last few minutes of light in the evening.

1579
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 1: So it's been, uh, it's been it's been my game changer.

1580
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: I guess here in the past year, man, I guess

1581
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 1: the proofs in the pudding you certainly have demonstrated what

1582
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 1: can happen. So yeah, I think it works. So Bold

1583
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 1: Bold moved like it. Um I was told I was

1584
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 1: crazy about I feel like that's one of the other

1585
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 1: themes of this episode is he might be crazy, but

1586
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:13,759
Speaker 1: it works. Sometimes you gotta be a little bit crazy

1587
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 1: to make to make it work. But man, it's so

1588
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 1: much a lot of truth to that. Uh well, I

1589
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 1: think this is I think you bring me to a

1590
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 1: good place for us to wrap this up because you

1591
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 1: mentioned that Ohio buck. You shot that buck first light,

1592
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 1: and I was watching the video that you filmed with

1593
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: that hunt and after you recover the deer, you could

1594
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 1: just see this this emotion that you've gone through, and

1595
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 1: you described how bow hunting can be so frustrating and

1596
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: you can feel like, yeah, I'm never gonna kill something.

1597
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 1: You can sit there for days and days on it,

1598
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,679
Speaker 1: and I can I can say this, but I felt

1599
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 1: this way myself many times, where you sit there and

1600
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: you're like, I am an idiot, I am stupid, I

1601
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 1: can't do this, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm

1602
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 1: never gonna kill anything. This is a waste of time,

1603
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 1: or this stand is stupid, or this day sucks or whatever.

1604
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 1: It's it's really easy to get negative on yourself when

1605
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 1: you do this sometimes because it's it's not a walk

1606
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: in the park. This is not like riding on a

1607
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 1: golf cart and drinking a beer in the sunshine and

1608
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 1: hitting off the T nine. You know, like you are,

1609
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 1: and we're inherently doing something that at times is miserable,

1610
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 1: is difficult, is uncomfortable, is draining, and it's really damn hard. Ah.

1611
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 1: So you go through this emotional roller coaster and many

1612
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: many lows, and then every once in a while we

1613
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:38,679
Speaker 1: get this ultimate high like you did, where you went

1614
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 1: from feeling like you could never kill anything to then

1615
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: all of a sudden it did happen. So what I

1616
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 1: want to know, Jared, is what has been what's been

1617
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: the key for you handling those days, for those moments

1618
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: when it feels like nothing's going your way, nothing could

1619
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 1: ever go your way? How do you rave those storms

1620
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,679
Speaker 1: and make it to those moments like in Ohio where

1621
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 1: you finally do kill one or like the previous year

1622
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:10,640
Speaker 1: where you hunted I think all season, various times in

1623
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 1: Ohio and didn't kill a buck till January. Um, how

1624
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 1: do you handle those inevitable dry spells that can so

1625
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 1: easily send us a negative town. Yeah, I mean it

1626
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 1: just for me, it just comes down to attitude. I

1627
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 1: just really try to keep a positive attitude, um, even

1628
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 1: when things really get hard and it just becomes a grind,

1629
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 1: you know, and I get frustrated just like anybody else,

1630
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, get down with myself. But uh,

1631
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 1: I just try to always you know, that's my mantra

1632
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 1: in my head is it only takes ten seconds. It

1633
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 1: only takes ten seconds. And I say that multiple times

1634
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 1: throughout the season, and just try to keep a good attitude,

1635
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 1: just try to have fun with it, because you know,

1636
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 1: I know that all of these hard hunts, all of

1637
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: these sits, it's gonna eventually turn around. You know, it

1638
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 1: almost always does. You know, if you stick it out

1639
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 1: long enough in your persistent it's it's eventually gonna pay

1640
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 1: off and you're gonna get another chance. So that's just

1641
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 1: that's what I tell myself, and that's constantly what's in

1642
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 1: my brain is it only takes ten seconds and this

1643
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: whole thing can turn around. And I just try to

1644
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 1: really remember that and not get not get too down

1645
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:28,719
Speaker 1: on myself. Yeah, that's the truth that can all change

1646
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 1: in a flip of the switch, snap of the fingers,

1647
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,560
Speaker 1: blink of the eyes, and your whole season is a

1648
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:39,760
Speaker 1: totally different story. Absolutely well, Jared, I I've really enjoyed this.

1649
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing, you know, these stories and these experiences.

1650
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 1: I certainly took away a lot, and I'm sure folks

1651
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 1: listening did too. I know that you are filming a

1652
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 1: lot of stuff that's fall right where where can people

1653
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 1: see some of the hunts you've got coming up this year? Yes,

1654
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 1: so pretty much everything I'm doing these days is on

1655
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:03,680
Speaker 1: the Tethered Nation YouTube page. And uh my Instagram is

1656
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 1: j Shafe thirty if you want to find me on there.

1657
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, most of my stuff is on is

1658
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 1: on Tethered Nation. Um, if you want to look on

1659
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 1: some of my past hunts, Um, you know a lot

1660
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 1: of these deer I've talked about I've got on video.

1661
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 1: But I'm flinging arrows on on YouTube, So look me

1662
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 1: up on there, and uh yeah, I hope that. I

1663
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 1: hope everybody enjoyed it. Excellent. Well appreciate Jared, and good luck,

1664
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 1: good luck with the rest of the season. Yeah, Mark,

1665
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate you having me on and good luck to

1666
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:42,520
Speaker 1: everybody out there, all right, and that'll do it. Appreciate

1667
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 1: you joining me. Hope you enjoyed this one. I hope

1668
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 1: you'll learn something. Hopefully we gave you a thing or

1669
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 1: two to uh get you through this next week and

1670
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 1: help you out on your next hunt. Appreciate you tune in.

1671
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 1: I want to give you a couple of quick reminders

1672
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 1: if you're not already following what we're doing over on

1673
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 1: Wired Hunt across the different platforms, highly recommend you go

1674
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 1: to our website. You can find it at the meat

1675
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,760
Speaker 1: eater dot com slash Wired. So just go to the

1676
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 1: mediator website and go to the Wired section the Wired

1677
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 1: Hunt section here to see dozens and dozens of new

1678
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 1: articles that myself, Tony Peterson, and a handful of other

1679
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 1: great writers are sharing every week. Check out the Wired

1680
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: hunt YouTube channel. We've kind a new how to video

1681
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: every single Monday. Check those out, and then make sure

1682
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:32,599
Speaker 1: you're following Wired Hunt on Instagram. I've got a lot

1683
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: of updates. They're doing day by day hunt recaps, gonna

1684
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:37,640
Speaker 1: get you guys up to speed on what's happening in

1685
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 1: my world and sharing some lessons learned along the way

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Speaker 1: as well. So that's it for me. Appreciate you guys

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Speaker 1: joining in, thank you for listening, thanks for being here,

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Speaker 1: and until next time, best of luck out there in

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Speaker 1: the woods and stay wired to hunt.