1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Clayton. How's it going man? What's up? Man? You got 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: you gotta PlayStation at home? Yeah? What if I told 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: you the government can take that PlayStation and charge it 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: with a drug crime because of what I did on 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: Grant the bottom. That's not real drugs, that's crazy who 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: comedians are sewing over a drug search program at the 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: world's busiest airport, Hartsville Jackson in Atlanta. Factors and comedians 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: Eric Andre and Clayton English have filed a lawsuit against 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: Clayton County, Georgia. To Clayton County Police Department, cops come 10 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: out of nowhere like ambush style and started interrogating me 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: about am I doing drugs? Am I selling drugs? And 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: my buying drugs, my transporting drugs the airport Andrea and 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: English safe officers pulled them aside because they're black and 14 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: asked them about drugs as other passengers looked on. The 15 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: lawyers say the two men were both stopped at separate 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: times by the police. We're seeing in Clayton County in 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: this jetbridge program, they're seizing the cash. They seize cash 18 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: from twenty five people in that same time period. Twenty 19 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: two of these people there's never any charge. So are 20 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: they just like looting that they just like pillaging? They 21 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: just have way better names for what they call, like 22 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: what we would call a jack move or being robbed. 23 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: He called civil aid. If you give anything three names, Yeah, yeah, 24 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: it gives the stealing right, got it. I'm Greg Glad 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: English and this is the war on drugs? All right? 26 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: Claim before we begin today's episode, I got like a 27 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: little bit of a bone to pick with you. What 28 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: you get, man? What was the bone? Man? All right? 29 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: So we've been you know, pre interviews, post interviews, pre 30 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: post about everything for the last I don't know a 31 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: year now we've known each other. All we've been talking 32 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: about is civilized for for sure, you know, racial profiling, 33 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: policing drugs, and you're just not in there talking, saying 34 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: piece and you don't tell me that you were racially 35 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: profiled at the Atlanta airport for a civil asset forfeiture case. 36 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: So they're suspecting your drugs and you had no So 37 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: the hell, man, I thought we were friends. Okay, two things. 38 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: First of all, so used to being harassed by the police. 39 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 1: It was just these things Tennis live my mind. It's 40 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: par for the course. When I'm traveling. It's sad to say, 41 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: but in this situation, UM, okay, so I'll just tell 42 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: you what. Let's yeah, yeah, no, I'm messing around now. 43 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: This is uh yeah, crazy storing very important. Yeah. No, 44 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: traveling through the Atlanta Airport. This is after I've gone 45 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: through security. I'm on my way to Los Angeles. You know, 46 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: you're at your gate. You give them your ticket, you 47 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: scan your ticket in. You know, boop hit it go 48 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: through the gate. You think next step is to go 49 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: to the jet bridge you get on the plane. When 50 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: I get on, the jet bridge is one of those 51 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: ones that kind of winds around, you know. So when 52 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: I turned the corner to police, officers pop out say there, Hey, 53 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: we're here with Clayton County Police Department. We're doing searches 54 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 1: for drugs and cocaine and methamphetamins. Do you have any 55 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: of those things on there? Can we search your bag? 56 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: And I'm not understanding what's going on. I'm like, whoa what, 57 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: I'm blocked in. I'm cornered, like the other people are 58 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: scooting past me. To me, I'm not looking at everybody 59 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: that's going by me, but all the people that I'm 60 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: seeing go by me are white people and I seem 61 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: to be the only black person that's getting stopped, and 62 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: they're asking me questions, Oh, you're going out to LA, Well, 63 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: what do you do? What do you you know? How 64 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: police try to make the small talk, I guess, and 65 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: I'm just like, what is going on right now? What 66 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: are we what are we doing? And they search through 67 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: my bag, they give me my ticket back, they give 68 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, you're good, and I just remember, 69 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: like one I felt, you know, a little humiliated, a 70 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: little embarrassed because I'm the only person pulled over to 71 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: the side, and then the next step is dang, Like 72 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: I can't say anything like That's that's how my mind worked, 73 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: just being harassed by the police. Growing up in the South, 74 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: where you're taught that police can do pretty much anything 75 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: they want to do. The best bet is for you 76 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: to just cooperate, doesn't matter if that means you're throwing 77 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: away your rights or whatever. This is kind of what's 78 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: instilled into people who grow up in the South. And 79 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: at this point, I'm just trying to get on this 80 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: flight so I can make this writing gig that I 81 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: have that's important for my career. That I'm trying to 82 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: move forward. You're not at the TSA front thing. You 83 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: may have an hour You're like, oh, now I can't 84 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: grab a beer at the bar. You're getting on the plane. Yeah, 85 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: like yeah, I would like to ask the questions. I 86 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: would like to say, what the hell is going on? 87 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: This is in but it's like, let me make this 88 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: flight right. And I really didn't think I had any recourse. 89 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: And that's most of how I felt when situations of 90 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: injustice or I feel like I'm being profiled, you just 91 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: chalk it up and you deal with it. And a 92 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: few months later I saw that a fellow comedian by 93 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: the name of Eric Andre had a similar situation. And 94 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: when I saw a situation, he took it and he 95 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: used this platform and he talked about it on Jimmy Kimmel, 96 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: I believe, and actually got a response from the Clayton 97 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: County Police Department, and I just reached out to him 98 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: and said, hey, I went through the similar kind of thing, 99 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,119 Speaker 1: you know, sounds like my situation. We talked back and forth, 100 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: and then later on he hit me with some people 101 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: from the Policing Project and they said that they were 102 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: going to pursue legal action, and I was like, yeah, okay, 103 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: I'm with it. And I didn't even really think much 104 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: about it after that. I'm like, okay, I don't know. 105 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: And then fast forward, they hit me and said we're 106 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: doing a press conference. I've never done a press conference, 107 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: so I didn't know that it's actually gonna be in 108 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: front of the press. I thought it was just something 109 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: you did and you send it to the press and 110 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: they look at it if they want to, so, you know, 111 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: to talk more about it. I got heriic Andre here, 112 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: we got him here, We're able to get him here, 113 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: and yeah, and we have one of the attorneys that's 114 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: working on our case, Andy Hudson Price, and we're just 115 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: gonna get into it a little bit. And like I said, 116 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: and you're you're right. This was one of those things. 117 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: I didn't know how deep it went until the attorneys 118 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: gave us back the information. Yeah, I didn't know it 119 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: was a civil forfeiture case at the beginning. Yeah, I 120 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: just knew. I felt like I had been wrong, and 121 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: we jumped into that and look, I let all the 122 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: facts come out in the interview. But you'll see it's crazy. 123 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: And I had no idea it would become one of 124 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: the biggest things that I learned in this podcast, I 125 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: would be involved with something that has something directly to 126 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: do with civil acid forfiture. All right, well, without any 127 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: further ado, let's let's let's get to um, Let's get 128 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: to Eric's get to Clayton, let's get to Annie, and 129 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: let's start this. It's an amazing story, so you definitely 130 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: gonna want to listen to this. All right, here we 131 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: are with my fellow comedian, Eric Andre actor writer. A 132 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: lot of hyphen it's yes and uh co defending? Is 133 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: that the right thing? Is that the right word? Yeah? Yeah, 134 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: And we've got one of our attorneys on the case 135 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: and he Hudson Price. Thanks for having me. Did you 136 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: have this podcast before we sued the cops? Is this 137 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: the first episode? No, this isn't the first episode. All 138 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: of it was a coincidence. No, this happened before. Like 139 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: I was already doing this before and you reached out 140 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: to me. My incident had already happened with the police. 141 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: He never thought to bring this up to us. Wait wait, wait, 142 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: we did so crazy to me exists. I know, it's 143 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: like it's like too convenient, It's like Kidsmith Kidsmid's I 144 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: kind of told my story beforehand. If you could just 145 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: take people through it, you know what happened to you? Eric? 146 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: And uh yeah. So I was filming Righteous Gemstones for 147 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: HBO and US. Thank you, thank you. I appreciate it. Well, 148 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: thank you for the compliment on my role. I did 149 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: not come up with that single thing. None of the 150 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: writing is me, but I'll take it. Um. So, I 151 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: was filming in Charleston and South Carolina and I had 152 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: to connect to Atlanta to fly home to Los Angeles. Yeah, 153 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: it was just a work trip, everything's normal. Went to 154 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: my gate gate agent ripped the ticket. I get onto 155 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: the awkward, claustrophobic jet bridge and to Clayton, Gunny Police Department. 156 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: Cops come out of nowhere like ambush style and start 157 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: interrogating me about am I doing drugs? Am I selling drugs? 158 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: Am I buying drugs? Am I transporting drugs to the airport? 159 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: Do I have crystal meth on me? Do I have 160 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: heroin cocaine prescription bills that aren't mine? And I was 161 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: like kind of like baffled and confused that in't it? 162 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: What was I was the only brown person in front 163 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: and behind me, and I was like a fled and confused. 164 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: I was like, is this an extra like DSA stop, 165 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: Like I've already gone through security, And then I was like, 166 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: oh no, these are just like random Georgian cops like 167 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: doing like stopping frisk like Julietti era stopping frisk tactics 168 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: on the jet bridge. And it was shitty. It was 169 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: humiliating and demoralizing, and you know, everybody's gawking at me 170 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: like I'm a perpetrator as they were like squeezing by 171 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: me on the JEB Bridge. And I've been like racially 172 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: profiled at many airports around the world, so it was 173 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: like a little bit of a tipping point too, but 174 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: this was the most egregious version of it. And um, 175 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: so they're asked me if I have all these drugs. 176 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: I'm saying no, no, no no, no, no, I had nothing 177 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: on me. And it was clearly like a veteran cop 178 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: trying to train a rookie cop too. It was like 179 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: they were like really awkward and stilted, like their performance 180 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: wasn't even good. They were like open micers. I was like, 181 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: this is lame. We're gonna try to new material here. Yeah, 182 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: this is like a deleted scene from the wire or 183 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: something like you get the new Waitress. Yeah, yeah, it 184 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: was like that. So it was even worse because they 185 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: had to go like through every little thing that they practiced, 186 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: no matter how like awkward and ridiculous. Was so and 187 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: then and then they asked if they could go into 188 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: my bag, and the smarter parts of my brain lit 189 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: up and something in my mind was like I think 190 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: you're allowed to say no, but I don't really know. 191 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: So I went do I have to say yes? And 192 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: the veteran cop was like, uh no, So I was 193 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: like okay, no, and then I just like ran to 194 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: the plane. And then I started texting some friends. I 195 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: have two lawyer friends, and they were like, that is 196 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: fucked up. Don't you shouldn't tolerate that, like tweet to 197 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: the mayor like just go nuts. So I'm like on 198 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: the plane, I was like, I'll give it a shot 199 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: in the Atlanta mayor like tweeted back right away, and 200 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: the Atlanta PD who I thought it was at first, 201 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: was like that's not quick. Yeah, so quick. And then 202 00:10:58,520 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: a journalist reached out to me and said it was 203 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: the County Police Department and they've been doing it a bunch, 204 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: and then you reach out to me and they told 205 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: me your story, and now I'm hearing all there's a 206 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: big wave of stories coming from b and and you 207 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: were smart enough to not to say, no, you can't 208 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: search my bed. Yeah. And in my mind, like you said, 209 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I even had all right, it 210 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like you could keep going when they block 211 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: your path. No, So we we got eight months worth 212 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: of data between Clayton and Eric stops around them, and 213 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: that data recorded four hundred and two jet bridge stops. 214 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: Of those, three hundred and seventy six actually listed the 215 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: race of the passengers they had stopped, and two hundred 216 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: and eleven of those were black. And so we're talking 217 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: fifty six percent of the people that they stopped on 218 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: the jet bridge that we know the race of were black, 219 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: and most of them were black men. Well, the odds 220 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: of that truly happening randomly of two hundred and eleven 221 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: out of three hundred and seventy seven, the odds of 222 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: that truly happening randomly are significantly less than one in 223 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: one hundred trillion. One hundred trillion, That is, that is 224 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: less to give to give to its great Yeah, that's 225 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: that's it looks like you're just going into the matrix 226 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 1: like little kid numbers. Yeah. Yeah, but to illustrate that 227 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: that would be less than one grain of sand and 228 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: all the grains of sand on the earth. That's how 229 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: unlikely it is to have happened randomly, right right, It's crazy. 230 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: And they they said in their own reports on Eric 231 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: stopped that they told Eric that they had stopped. That's 232 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: their record saying that they had stopped Eric randomly, that 233 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: they told Eric stopped randomly. And I think you said 234 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: three people actually had drugs and they took over like 235 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: a million dollars with the stuff saying hold on, I'm 236 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: gonna even throw something in here too, because three people 237 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: had drugs, but only one person actually got convicted, right, 238 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: so we don't actually don't even know. Okay, one person 239 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: got arrested. I mean, I don't know. You could speak 240 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: for you, but as far as me, I'm just thinking 241 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: this is, you know, just harasment because I'm a young 242 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: black dude going through the airport. I was one of 243 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: the only few black people on my flight, so it's 244 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: just arasment. But once we get into what's actually going 245 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: on and what are the attorneys discovered. Yes, I didn't 246 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: even realize like what was going on with this case, 247 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: Like this was so mind blow especially working with you, Grant. 248 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: I learned about civil asset forfiture on this show. What 249 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: a civil asset forfends? Get into it. Oh yeah, let's 250 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: do it. Let's do it because a civil asset forfeiture 251 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: I just learned how For the listeners at home, yeah, 252 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: we all never no. So civil asset forfeiture is essentially 253 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: when the government can take your property without convicting you 254 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: a crime or charging you with the crime. There doesn't 255 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: need to be a charge or anything, just essentially that 256 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: you are more likely than not that property is either 257 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: was used as the means for illegal activity or was 258 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: the proceeds from so you know, you have a nice 259 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: rolex wall, just like with that drug money or your 260 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: car that was used to transport narcotics, and so they 261 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: can tie that in there and it's not you that's 262 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: on the complaint, it's property. So what that allows for 263 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: the government to do is essentially say, now all these 264 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: rights that you get as a person in a criminal 265 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: charge and a criminal judication, they always go out the window. 266 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: Now it's all civil and it's your property. That's on 267 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: like a doctor. So it'll say like it'll say stay 268 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: to Georgia verse you know one Rolex watch. It doesn't 269 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: say you know Eric Andre or Clinton English or anything 270 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: like that. So is that just a scam to get 271 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: your rights taken away? Essentially? Yeah, it's called aquaseium rent proceeding. 272 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: It's it's just as how I do that. I mean, 273 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: I was going to say that. I think the key word, 274 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: as you point out, you know, it's it's civil is 275 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: the key word there. This is not a criminal proceeding, 276 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: so you don't have the same standards of proof, you 277 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: don't have the same This guilt, yeah, is pretty much 278 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: guilty that that property right, Yeah, yeah, the property is 279 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: guilty exactly. And it starts as guilt. It starts as guilty. 280 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: And so they've seized the property, the money, whatever it 281 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: is in Georgia, they file a complaint saying this is 282 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: why we think we should get to keep it. A 283 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: lot of the time, the person they've seized that from 284 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: has no idea that they can challenge it, doesn't have 285 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: the money to hire a lawyer to challenge it, doesn't 286 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: have the time or the resources or frankly says, I 287 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: don't want to tangle with law enforcement. I'm worried if 288 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: I counter this, they're going to come after me on 289 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: They're going to cook up some criminal charge. You know 290 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: this is these are cases where there often is no 291 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: criminal charge attached. So and a lot of the times 292 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: they'll have a criminal charge and then they'll say, we'll 293 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: drop these if you just let go on the defense 294 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: of your property. So are they just like looting? They 295 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: just like pillaging. Basically, they just have way better names 296 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: for what they call, like what we would call a 297 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: jack move or be in robbed, you call civil acids. 298 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: If you give anything three names, yeah, yeah, yeah, it 299 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: gives the public of stealing. 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And I think in twenty fifteen there was 333 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: an article that showed, if you're just talking federal forfeitures, 334 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: they had seized more money in federal forfeitures than there 335 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: had been money stolen in burglaries that year. So so 336 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: we live in the medieval times. But back to the 337 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: numbers we were talking about three they find, they find, 338 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: they find drugs in three cases, and those were I 339 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: mean personal uses an overstatement, I mean literally six smith 340 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: strict bills and some tummies and the mission accomplishment. They 341 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: seized cash for twenty five people in that same time period. 342 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: So three of those people were these three that we mentioned, 343 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: But twenty two of those people there was never any charge. 344 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: There was never any you know, if we're saying they're 345 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: interested in presenting drugs coming to their jurisdiction, they're not 346 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: even charging the people they claim are engaged in this. 347 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: And then they're you know, seizing. In some cases it's 348 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, ten thousand dollars, which is a lot of 349 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: money to someone, so it makes a big difference in 350 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: their life, but is not so much that you're like, oh, 351 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: if you have ten thousand dollars on you, you you must 352 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: be a criminal. I mean, you can have two hundred thousand. 353 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: There's nothing illegal about having cash in a case like that. 354 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: To even challenge like it will it will cause you. Yeah, 355 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: that's why the work that you all do and other 356 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: public firms like like in sue for justice, like it's 357 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: the only way that even people can fight for the 358 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: rights because they do it for free, and attorney will 359 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: be like, by the time you walk out of here, 360 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: you already owe me two grand don't take this case. 361 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: Just let it go. And that's why most go to default. Yeah, 362 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: and to be clear, in some jurisdictions, they charge you 363 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: to even bring the case. So when I was in DC, 364 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: I worked I did a summer at the Public Defender 365 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: Service and they were doing a big lawsuit because I 366 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: think it was a twelve hundred dollars fine even to 367 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: be able to challenge the forfeiture. You had to pay 368 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: a fine even talk about us taking your money. Yeah, exactly, 369 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: that's amazing. Yeah. And to the point on reporting it 370 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: is lucky though, was in Georgia. I know we've I 371 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: work on a lot of lobbying and advocacy work, and 372 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: I can't tell you the arguments we've had against like 373 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: actually doing minor reporting stuff. Like we had some law 374 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: enforcement literally say like, you're going to get officers killed. 375 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: If we had to say what we spent this money on, 376 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:21,959 Speaker 1: it was it was a it was a very thin 377 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: you have no idea. Yeah, So like things about is 378 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: they get the proceeds from a lot of this, So 379 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: in some states you get one hundred percent of the proceeds, 380 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: you know, between the prosecuting office and the law enforcement 381 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: office that initiated the rest or the you know, the 382 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 1: season of the property. Meaning what like if they steal 383 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: if they take like somebody's yacht, Yeah, like you're a 384 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: drug kingpin, we want your yacht. What what happens the 385 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: party on the yacht, Well they seize it, they forfeited. 386 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: They they could repurpose it and say, you know, say 387 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: you're in Miami, like, well this is a speedboat. Now 388 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: we're going to use this for our drug Interdiction tax force, 389 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: or they can sell it liquidated then they get to 390 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: cash from it other criminals. But I do think this 391 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: goes back to, you know, a lot of problems how 392 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: we fund law enforcement in America. We create these inherently 393 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: problematic incentive structures. So we say, you know, the tax 394 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: dollars aren't going to go to ours this, so instead 395 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna pay you through parking tickets, citations, asset forfeiture. 396 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: So suddenly you have cops being like, oh, we better 397 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: rack up our fines and fees locally, better see some 398 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: funds because they may think, oh, we actually need this money. 399 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: It's necessary for their budget. It's necessary for their budget. 400 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: And that's how it's designed. To be clear they're not 401 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: going after everyone equally. To state the obvious, I mean, 402 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: there is a big piece in the New York in 403 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen where they talked about compared in Pennsylvania, some 404 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: very wealthy white kids had been running a I think 405 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: it was called an empire of drugs out of their house. 406 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: Nothing happened to the house. And then you know, in 407 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: South Philly a kid sold a kid, you not twenty 408 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: dollars worth of weed on his parents porch and they 409 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: seized the parents' house. Yeah, I mean just and again 410 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: bring it back to this case. This is racially discriminatory. 411 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: Stops because there are lots of reasons for it. But 412 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: one of those reasons is they know that there's less power, 413 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: less likelihood to be able to challenge it, to be 414 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: able to access the money to challenge it, be able 415 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: to access the attorneys, to be able to access the system, 416 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: or frankly, to have trust in the system. I think 417 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: it's worth fighting. That's what we're seeing in Clayton County 418 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: in this airport jet bridge program. They're seizing the cash. 419 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: Most people don't contest it, does I mean, some people 420 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: don't even know they have the right to can't afford 421 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: an attorney. But in the eight instances in which people 422 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: did contest it, CCPD settled, the Clayton County Police Farm 423 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: settled and said here's half your money back. And frankly, 424 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: wouldn't be worth fighting on that because how does I 425 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: only give half back? Can I get the other half? 426 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: So to be, but I want like all of it, 427 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: but it was whole. I have to be clear, I'm 428 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: not represented. I was not involved in any of these cases. 429 00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 1: I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know what happened there, 430 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: but I can say, you know, if it's a routine, 431 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's a routine. You know, let's not make 432 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: a big deal out of this. You get half back, 433 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: We get to keep half now, we don't have to 434 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 1: go to court, and we'll drop the charges. You can 435 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: wave yeah, gang, you know, Like, I think it's amazing 436 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: that y'all, you know, we're brave enough to like bring 437 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: exposure to this because how many people are you going 438 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: to prevent from this happening to them right there? I 439 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: think is incredible And you know, hopefully they have stopped 440 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: that practice or at least limited severely, and how many 441 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: people will not be harassed using there? And so it's 442 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: importantly Yeah, so I appreciate, like what are you hoping from, 443 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: you know, to get out of this, Like what message 444 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: and um, you know you talked about you know, if 445 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: people want to reach out to y'all, um if this 446 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: has happened to them, And yeah, I mean definitely everything 447 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: we covered on the podcast today, all these statistics should 448 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: show people how bad and extreme racial profiling is. And 449 00:23:55,240 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: this specific case is not isolated, like this specific kind 450 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: of behavior from cops, I'm assuming from my experience in 451 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: this country is rampant. So I want people to feel 452 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: like they have a community to support one another and 453 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: stand up against injustice and racial injustice. I mean, people 454 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: already are like hitting me up like crazy about their stories. 455 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: And I was one of those people that felt like 456 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: there was nothing I could do. You know, it was 457 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: just gonna have to happen again. And you know when 458 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: I talked to you and then you hit me back 459 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: with the people from the Policing Project and this is 460 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: what they were doing, I was like, yeah, okay, yeah, 461 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: I'll do that. As many times I've been pulled over 462 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: by the police, I can pull the police over yeah yeah, yeah, 463 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: the license and registration bud, Like yeah, I was glad 464 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: to do. And there's so many people like the people 465 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: that are coming out. Yeah, and you just chalk it 466 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: up because at a certain point when when you're in 467 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: this country and you're put in this position and you're 468 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: black and it's you against law enforcement, a lot of 469 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: times you tell these stories they had what else is new? Right? Yeah? 470 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: So you accept your fate. Yeah, yeah, what did you 471 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: think was going to happen? And like yeah, we're not. 472 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: We don't have to accept it, right, And you know, 473 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: one of the things that were a case like this happens, 474 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: this situation has happened because there's no policies controlling the 475 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: police in this situation, there's no you know, we requested 476 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: all policies governing the jet bridge program and they gave 477 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: us nothing. So this is just the officers. All the 478 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: officers are told to I mean's not there are no 479 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: written policies, but they know what they're doing. This isn't 480 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: this is a program, right, and they're you know, there 481 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: they go. There's nothing constraining who they can pull over. 482 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: And so you better believe, as on the jet bridge, 483 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: as on the streets, as in traffic stops, that that's 484 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: how you get racial discrimination when there's nothing constraining the 485 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: discretion of the officer making that stop. Absolutely and frankly 486 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: drawing attention to something like this, I mean, at a minimum, 487 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: you get other jurisdictions saying, oh damn, we better we 488 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: better put some policies in place to make sure that 489 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: they're not going to come after us next. Because if 490 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: you have a policy in place, it's a lot harder. 491 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I I don't think the program should 492 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: exist at all. But if it's going to exist, they're 493 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: better not be racial profiling. They better be listening to 494 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: the to the Fourth Amendments requirements, you know, in terms 495 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: the hand execute the law evenly across the board, like 496 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it shouldn't be this disproportion and we shouldn't 497 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: be there. I mean, in this case, it looks like 498 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: they were using the jet Bridge as their own personal ATM. Yeah. No, totally, 499 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: like you know, no fees and you just go to 500 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: the whale or their casino. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, anything 501 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: else you want to to leave us with. This has 502 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: been amazing. I appreciate the Yeah, absolutely, Clayton wasn't cheap 503 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: to get so we had to cut a couple of commercials. 504 00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Somebody got to pay me. Yeah wow. Um, 505 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: it's an amazing story. And Clayton, I know, you know 506 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: you initially and rightfully so had apprehension even sharing this 507 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: publicly without any you know, legal action, let alone what 508 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: you're doing, because there's there's fear of retribution, there's fear 509 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: of a lot of things to actually come out and 510 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: say this stuff. And so I just want to say 511 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: thank you. For allowing us to speak to you about 512 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: this and sharing your story for the podcast, and then 513 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: also you know, coming together with a policing project and 514 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: Eric to hopefully make sure that this doesn't happen to 515 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: anyone else. I mean, really, that's the whole impetus of philosophers, like, 516 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: we don't want this to happen to other people, because 517 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: you know, and that's it. So again, thank you man 518 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: like for bringing this to our attention and being brave 519 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: enough to talk about that publicly. Yeah. Yeah, And it 520 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: was a little uh, you know, apprehension about just coming 521 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 1: out and talking about it. I wasn't sure how it 522 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: was going to be received. And I also just didn't 523 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: want to have to deal with any more harassment or 524 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't want to be on their radar now. 525 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: And you know, yeah, there's the negative comments that I've 526 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: read occasionally, because of course those stick out, but the 527 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: outpour of positivity is far outweighed that. And uh, it's 528 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: so many people were coming out and kind of like 529 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: we talked about who are telling their story, they're like, 530 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: that happened to me too, That happened to me too. Um, 531 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: this is my situation, and I think like I said 532 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: a lot of times, we just chalk it up. It's 533 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: something we have to deal with. And you know, um, 534 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: I think it was one comment that was like, oh, Clayton, 535 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: you've been do worse than this, And it's like, yeah, 536 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: but am I just supposed to accept it? Yeah? It doesn't. 537 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: It doesn't know, it doesn't. And and I just think 538 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: about the other people who don't have a platform, because 539 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: that was me for so long, that was me. I 540 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: couldn't say who was I gonna say it too? Who 541 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: was gonna listen? So to have people's attention and have 542 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: their ears, I'm grateful to be a part of it. 543 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: Thankful to any. Thankful to Eric. Thankful to you because 544 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: I don't even think this would have probably found me 545 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: if I hadn't been on this podcast and you know, 546 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: learned and been on this journey that we've been on. Yeah, 547 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: and I hired those officers. You know, Hey, we need 548 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: to content right right, come on? Man? Yeah, yeah goes 549 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: the extra boole man. This dude here he sets it 550 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: ups the well. Thank you all for listening. Special thank 551 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: you to Eric andre and Annie Hudson Price. And this 552 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: has been the war on drugs. Yeah, thanks for listening. 553 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: Make sure you followed the War on Drugs podcast so 554 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: you don't miss any new episode or any of our 555 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: quick fixed bonus content. And we'll be back next week 556 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: with another episode of War on Drugs. Until then, thank 557 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: you for listening. 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