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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast one
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Speaker 1: Susanne French, Daniel Romo, Terra Suit and the inevitable Inevitable
Speaker 1: Amy Sugarman. You know or you love her She's well,
Speaker 1: they don't.
Speaker 2: But here is my question for you guys. Everybody go
Speaker 2: round and try to say the title of this episode.
Speaker 4: It's wonderful.
Speaker 5: Mar I tried last night, wonderful, marvels wonderful, Suzanne turn
Speaker 5: Us wonderful marvelous.
Speaker 1: You nailed on whoa.
Speaker 2: It's one word, so I can't really do it unless
Speaker 2: the songs wonder the novels, because really it's right, it's
Speaker 2: but it cuts off the.
Speaker 3: It yeah, right, right right, it's a song. It's one yeah, Tara.
Speaker 6: Did you watch the episode Tark.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I'm not gonna lie to you. I had to
Speaker 3: rewind this episode a couple of times.
Speaker 2: I actually loved it.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you know what, you know what thought the
Speaker 1: predominant thought that I had during this episode is a
Speaker 1: bit and it's interesting to me in that I asked
Speaker 1: myself a question, okay, because I don't want to be
Speaker 1: like so hyper critical, okay all the time season seven,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to look for the positive here. Sure, And
Speaker 1: I thought, what if this was because I'm watching it
Speaker 1: and it's all kind of like, there's delightful people and
Speaker 1: delightful situations. There's no reason to hate anybody. If this
Speaker 1: is season one and there's kind of a world where
Speaker 1: you know, maybe last night's episode that we watched was
Speaker 1: the pilot episode. Yeah, just sort of or one of
Speaker 1: the few episodes is first few episodes and we're just
Speaker 1: starting this whole. Don't hate Christopher, we don't hate April,
Speaker 1: and it's all just kind of a delightful show. Could
Speaker 1: the show have worked if it were launched like this
Speaker 1: and it wasn't all a high schooly mommy mommy daughter
Speaker 1: thing and it was more about the town as a whole,
Speaker 1: because I got to tell you, they had some pretty
Speaker 1: cool scenes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is your take? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I think maybe it could have worked on it.
Speaker 1: It's like, I think the concept is so strong of
Speaker 1: a you know with with the Gilmour dynasty and then
Speaker 1: the small town and then you know you can peel
Speaker 1: back the layers in.
Speaker 7: Fresh back, right sure, sure.
Speaker 1: Of when the breakup happened with the larele I and
Speaker 1: the family and having the baby going through it. It's
Speaker 1: like a different type of storytelling where you're looking back all.
Speaker 2: Not linear, right, you're going all out of the right.
Speaker 1: So, because you're going to have to tell those stories
Speaker 1: so people understand the.
Speaker 2: First season, who the heck are these people?
Speaker 1: Right? So, like you established the Christopher and laurel are
Speaker 1: and this thing and this is their daughter, and you
Speaker 1: don't know that much about the past, and then you
Speaker 1: start learning stuff about.
Speaker 2: It, right, you wonder why she doesn't ever talk to
Speaker 2: that guy at the diner?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 2: Wait, so here's what I want to know. What does
Speaker 2: Suzanne think of that, of Scott's of this? Do you
Speaker 2: think you could have enjoyed this if this was season one?
Speaker 1: If the storytelling were told in flashbacks, and season seven
Speaker 1: was season one with some tweek with some tweaks, obviously
Speaker 1: you'd have to make some tweak seven because it's giving
Speaker 1: too much away, right so or not enough in certain circumstances.
Speaker 7: I mean, I think it's an interesting concept. I think
Speaker 7: that would be fun to watch. Sometimes getting two flashback
Speaker 7: he gets confusing, but I would watch that.
Speaker 2: Like is your question, Scott, and if I'm understanding, would
Speaker 2: we all love season seven if we never had season
Speaker 2: one to six?
Speaker 1: If that's one question, another question, would we love would
Speaker 1: the fans or we love the show as much as
Speaker 1: we do had we followed the Scott Patterson method if
Speaker 1: they executed in it that way?
Speaker 2: Well, I have another question for you all before we
Speaker 2: get going. I thought about this long and hard in
Speaker 2: the shower, which is why my hair is still wet
Speaker 2: and I never got time to blow it dry. What
Speaker 2: I have come to terms with because I once again
Speaker 2: like this episode. There's critiques, but for the most part,
Speaker 2: I really enjoy it. It's a little weird in places
Speaker 2: and kind of off, but I love it. So I
Speaker 2: have decided maybe I like the idea of wanting Luke
Speaker 2: and Lorali to be together. So there's some kind of
Speaker 2: joy I experience watching this show knowing hope they get
Speaker 2: that together. I hope they get at together. Do you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? Like there's so and that was
Speaker 2: something I loved that feeling in seasons one to five.
Speaker 2: Let's say so. Now, maybe one of the reasons I'm
Speaker 2: sort of enjoying it is because I'm back going even
Speaker 2: though I know what happens. Ohe they get back together.
Speaker 2: I hope things are good. Oh boy, is he gonna
Speaker 2: call LAURAAI like I'm feeling that again. I don't know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, in this episode, I kept I kept stressing out
Speaker 6: that Luke was gonna run into Christopher and LARELEI like, ana,
Speaker 6: is Luke.
Speaker 1: At the.
Speaker 4: Opens the barn door at the wrong.
Speaker 2: I did have that same like healing.
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh no, oh no, is this coming?
Speaker 2: Oh god? I thought the same thing. Wait, so, Suzanne,
Speaker 2: do you hate this episode or like it?
Speaker 7: I thought it was more tolerable than the last three.
Speaker 7: How's that I didn't love it. I wasn't like, oh
Speaker 7: my gosh, I can't wait to watch this again. But
Speaker 7: it wasn't. It was It was good to finally see
Speaker 7: Rory back at school and having something to do, because
Speaker 7: the last three episodes her wandering around like.
Speaker 1: What do you do?
Speaker 3: I don't know how to have a cry?
Speaker 7: I at of text, I don't know how to like
Speaker 7: just that whole like the summertime part of it where
Speaker 7: she just was all confused by what does the rocket mean?
Speaker 7: Like that just dragging.
Speaker 4: Her back at school.
Speaker 7: She's back in the newsroom.
Speaker 2: Kristin Ridder was great. Kristin Ridder.
Speaker 7: Although I didn't I like the actresses, but I don't
Speaker 7: like those characters. Say sure, especially in this episode. I
Speaker 7: think they actually get better later. But in the yeah
Speaker 7: where they're like going through the Logan's apartment and.
Speaker 6: Was like, these girls kind of like shoplifts.
Speaker 2: From the total college kids do though, You guys, you
Speaker 2: go into the apartment, You're like, oh my god, you
Speaker 2: have this. Oh my god, you have this kind of
Speaker 2: makes some popcorn like you kind of.
Speaker 7: Like with your friends. Yeah, but not somebody you just
Speaker 7: met an hour ago. What we're going on to order people?
Speaker 2: Well anyway, So here's my thoughts, Scott. What if we
Speaker 2: let the queen go through the scenes, like introduce the
Speaker 2: scenes for us today rather than you, rather than me,
Speaker 2: We let Suzanne do it. Yeah, you can, you got this?
Speaker 7: Okay, got it?
Speaker 2: She give her little expertise as she's doing it.
Speaker 3: Pause, let me get some.
Speaker 2: Myself here wearing off, and then you and I can
Speaker 2: just be snarky and it'll be great.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I like I enjoy snark.
Speaker 2: We've got I've got some snark.
Speaker 1: But but I I've got my camel on. I'm taking
Speaker 1: my position.
Speaker 2: I don't hate Christopher in this episode.
Speaker 3: Oh see, that's where I disagree.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about it all. There is a
Speaker 2: scene in particular that actually brought me great joy that
Speaker 2: lower l and Christopher were in it together. I'll save it,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: And now the stage is Susanne French Ladies and Lee.
Speaker 7: Well, why don't why don't we have Danielle do the synopsis?
Speaker 2: Fair? Can I look at look at the Queen? Yes
Speaker 2: to her peasants.
Speaker 4: Let's starting issue, orders mandates boom.
Speaker 6: All right, this is season seven, episode four, as wonderful
Speaker 6: as the Marvelous Air Day October seventeenth, two thousand and six.
Speaker 6: Laurelai and Christopher have resumed their relationship, but with as
Speaker 6: he continues to woo her with romantic dates. Rory returns
Speaker 6: to Yale and meets some new friends, and Emily ends
Speaker 6: up somewhere we thought she would never be. Plus, Luke
Speaker 6: and April's relationship continues to blossom as she stays with
Speaker 6: him for a few weeks.
Speaker 2: Okay, cool.
Speaker 7: So the episode opens with Lorelei and Christopher coming back
Speaker 7: from seeing the movie Snakes on a Plane. Now, I
Speaker 7: don't know about you, guys, but I thought, is not good.
Speaker 7: Like she was like weirdly hyper and it was so
Speaker 7: I pitched and it seemed forced, and like she it
Speaker 7: was not hard and sheeting Snakes on a plane.
Speaker 2: It was not good. It was not good. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: once again we have an open that was not good.
Speaker 2: Forced hashtag trying too hard. Oh, people drink. Everybody drink
Speaker 2: when I say hashtag, because then you're listening, you hate it,
Speaker 2: So drink hashtag trying to.
Speaker 1: And I think it's that's you know, there's no Amy
Speaker 1: and there's no Dan anymore.
Speaker 7: So it's it's just just the acting felt different, Like
Speaker 7: I don't know if that was intentional on Lauren's part
Speaker 7: or if she was given that note from somebody to
Speaker 7: be like that, but it was through the whole episode
Speaker 7: she was just this. It just was like her voice
Speaker 7: was up higher, and.
Speaker 6: I don't know, Yeah, you're right, that happens.
Speaker 1: They no chemistry.
Speaker 9: Oh, it.
Speaker 1: Feels very forced, and that's not good.
Speaker 2: I thought it was something different and Scott as an actor.
Speaker 2: Here's what I want to ask you. It's season seven.
Speaker 2: Lauren's an executive producer on this show. She knows that,
Speaker 2: like the showrunners that she has loved and leaned on
Speaker 2: for six years are gone. Is it possible she's putting
Speaker 2: so much pressure on herself to like nail these scenes
Speaker 2: and make a A minus script into an A plus
Speaker 2: script that she is just overcompensating everywhere?
Speaker 1: I mean maybe I don't really know the answer to that.
Speaker 1: I don't know how involved she was. I mean, I
Speaker 1: can only imagine as an executive producer. Was that the
Speaker 1: title that they gave her?
Speaker 5: Thought?
Speaker 2: But I might be making that up later?
Speaker 7: Yeah, not in this episode?
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah? So I don't know. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: I know that. You know, her work schedule is just huge, right,
Speaker 1: it's wall to wall every day and I'm seven years
Speaker 1: that and it's just it's tough to stay up. So
Speaker 1: maybe it was just a case of like too much
Speaker 1: caffeinated beverages. Yeah, who knows, I mean, but but it's
Speaker 1: just something seemed off between the two of them. For me,
Speaker 1: it always kind of.
Speaker 2: Bad jokes too, like likes a little plates, like a
Speaker 2: little blads likes little plates and you're just like, that's
Speaker 2: not even a good joke.
Speaker 1: She was.
Speaker 7: I feel like it might have been, like you know,
Speaker 7: obviously I can't speak for Lauren, but I feel like
Speaker 7: it was an intentional choice on her part, because she
Speaker 7: is trying to communicate with her body language and her
Speaker 7: speech patterns that this isn't right, that this is awkward.
Speaker 6: And I think that's a good point because at the
Speaker 6: end she talks about how she doesn't trust them yet,
Speaker 6: and I think not comfortable, and you know she's not.
Speaker 1: But I think that's very risky. It's got to be
Speaker 1: in the writing.
Speaker 2: I think so too.
Speaker 4: I think that on an actor is a lot.
Speaker 7: But one thing I noticed too, and I this is
Speaker 7: from the last episode, but I wasn't here, so I
Speaker 7: didn't get to point it out. In the last episode,
Speaker 7: the very very end of the episode where she's in
Speaker 7: her bedroom and she picks up the phone and calls
Speaker 7: and she says hello, yes, Yes, she had to force
Speaker 7: that out, like she did not communicate that she was
Speaker 7: happy about calling Chris. She if you, if you go
Speaker 7: back and watch the end of that scene, like it's
Speaker 7: her face is not happy, she's not smiling, she's like
Speaker 7: trying to think should I do it? Should I do it?
Speaker 7: And I got it? I agree she felt conflicted, Like
Speaker 7: she doesn't act like she's happy to be calling him.
Speaker 2: I think she was conflicted about calling him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, almost like it's like leaving the door open for I've.
Speaker 2: Been through so much I need like some seratonin, so
Speaker 2: I'm going to call this guy. Is that the right?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I also think we all can agree that it's not
Speaker 6: her number one choice.
Speaker 3: She doesn't want to be here.
Speaker 10: Right, Like she just says resorting to what she chose, like, yes,
Speaker 10: she made that decision.
Speaker 7: Right, She's like, well, oh okay, I you know I
Speaker 7: did this and now I have to stick with it,
Speaker 7: even though like it's just kind of she's just defaulting
Speaker 7: to him instead of kind of.
Speaker 6: A she's kind of a serial dater, Like is she
Speaker 6: ever alone?
Speaker 2: She can't be alone, and she's dipping back into the well.
Speaker 2: It's it's a tale as old as time. Guys, when
Speaker 2: you get dumped, then you go over to your ex
Speaker 2: boyfriends and you sleep with them, and then you're like
Speaker 2: go home and cry, and then you're like, oh no,
Speaker 2: I'm still dumped. Let me try a few more times.
Speaker 7: With that guy.
Speaker 2: I'm going to dip back into the well and see
Speaker 2: if it can make me happy. Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 2: it's a tail as old.
Speaker 7: I do have one thing I wrote in my notes
Speaker 7: about this scene before we move on, and I actually
Speaker 7: noticed it in the episode where she did the Asian
Speaker 7: night and she made the dessert sushi okay, and this.
Speaker 7: I don't know if this is like a jump the
Speaker 7: shark kind of moment or if it's just like a
Speaker 7: milestone that shows she's changed, but somehow she has changed
Speaker 7: from red vines to Twizzlers.
Speaker 6: Did you notice that Twizzlers are betting?
Speaker 1: That's sixties and seventies, babe, that's not red vines are Later.
Speaker 2: Here's what I read somewhere. I did, like, you know,
Speaker 2: a deep dive into this episode, and somebody said, now,
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is true or not. So allegedly,
Speaker 2: allegedly Amy and Dan were into Twizzlers or vice versa.
Speaker 2: What was whichever friend of mine and Dan is a
Speaker 2: Twizzlers guy?
Speaker 7: And the switch is this?
Speaker 2: M Dan the new guy?
Speaker 4: What Amy and Dan?
Speaker 2: Who's the new producer? The new So Amy and Dan
Speaker 2: were twist?
Speaker 4: David ros is.
Speaker 2: What the internet said that's it.
Speaker 3: This is what Sea is in the whole season.
Speaker 2: And because it's also a it's a well known debate.
Speaker 7: Are you a Twizzlers person or a Red Wines person?
Speaker 2: So Amy and Dan were red Vines people and David
Speaker 2: is Twizzlers. And that's why the switch happened.
Speaker 8: They broke.
Speaker 1: That's that's like it's cursed now. It's like, now we took.
Speaker 2: Over very east coast, West coast. The West Coast is
Speaker 2: more red Vines and East Coast is more Twizzlers.
Speaker 3: But I'm a Twizzlers person through and through.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't get him here.
Speaker 1: But oh yeah, but I never the first time I
Speaker 1: had a Red Vines I didn't. I was confused. I
Speaker 1: didn't understand.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, twisters are so gross compared redines plastic,
Speaker 7: they're like weird texture.
Speaker 2: Twizzlers are, Yes, I agree, Suzanne.
Speaker 7: They're they're like, yeah, I was like gnawing on vinyl
Speaker 7: or something.
Speaker 3: I think red vines are like chalk.
Speaker 4: That's the satisfying part of this.
Speaker 10: Is this, how like the debate when people can't taste cilantro.
Speaker 2: People can't taste cilantro?
Speaker 10: Yeah, like people, there's there is something that when the debate. No, no,
Speaker 10: But you know some people when they tast Cilantro, it
Speaker 10: tastes like soap to them.
Speaker 3: That's the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, but if you offered me a twizzler,
Speaker 2: I would say, oh, no, thank you.
Speaker 6: Okay, here's I'd like to fancy Taras to fancy Tara, Tara.
Speaker 6: Do you like Cilantro?
Speaker 3: I do, Scott?
Speaker 6: Do you like Cilantro? Suzanne and Amy do you like Cilancho?
Speaker 2: I don't think it's anything. I think I I love Celantro.
Speaker 6: There is something here, something, and I like Cilantros.
Speaker 2: So while we're on the top.
Speaker 1: I think they're lacking in taste buds, I think.
Speaker 2: I think I agree. While we're on the topic of
Speaker 2: internet gossip, there is also some comments and stuff I found.
Speaker 2: If you will notice, David Sutcliffe is a special guest
Speaker 2: star now now allegedly I don't know if this is true,
Speaker 2: but allegedly they wanted him for thirteen episodes, but the
Speaker 2: agreement was he had to be in the a storyline.
Speaker 2: That was part of the deal for him to come
Speaker 2: back to do thirteen episodes. I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: true or not.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just saying I think.
Speaker 2: Because before he was always much more of a B
Speaker 2: or a C bit player, and now he is in
Speaker 2: the A storyline along with I would say, Rory Luke
Speaker 2: Loralai just saying allegedly, I don't know if it's true.
Speaker 7: Interesting, Okay. So then we go to Luke Steiner and
Speaker 7: Kirk is one like a puppy dog because he's conflicted
Speaker 7: between his mom's opinion and Lulu's opinion, and he can't
Speaker 7: decide what to order, even though neither one of them
Speaker 7: is there to care what he orders.
Speaker 2: The bagel then like conflict with the bagel and then
Speaker 2: he just gets the caesar hands on the egg bagel
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 7: Yeah, which I I that was just a kind of
Speaker 7: a weird little conversation to me. But then the real
Speaker 7: point of that scene was for Anna to come in. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and you know, tell us all that April is going
Speaker 7: to be staying with Luke for two weeks.
Speaker 2: And may I say, nobody has to like it. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying they're flirting, but Anna and Luke or Sheriylyn
Speaker 2: Fenn and Scott do have a nice sort of chemistry.
Speaker 1: Ain't gonna deny it.
Speaker 2: She is very cute, like she is so cute.
Speaker 1: She is cute.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, when she's not screaming.
Speaker 4: Correct, she's pretty cute when she's doing that too.
Speaker 7: She's a great actress. I loved her and everything I've.
Speaker 9: Seen, she's terrific and she's great in the scene and
Speaker 9: she's so like cool and like, I don't love her,
Speaker 9: but I sure liked her in that scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I honestly, admittedly I was a little starstruck working
Speaker 1: with her. I thought, this is I get that, this
Speaker 1: is really cool. I'm working with sheryln Fan.
Speaker 7: Because I was like post Twin Peaks and everything she
Speaker 7: was known, I get that.
Speaker 2: I get that there's she steals the scene. You really
Speaker 2: can't take your eyes off of her.
Speaker 4: M h, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, she was a delight, absolute delight.
Speaker 7: Yeah. So then we go to the Dragonfly and there's
Speaker 7: Gords everywhere. Oh, Suki invites Laura over to dinner, which
Speaker 7: then that's when we find out that Lurla and Chris
Speaker 7: have now been dating for six week. Yeah, because that
Speaker 7: was when I when I skimmed through it the first time,
Speaker 7: I didn't pick up on that, and I was trying
Speaker 7: to figure out, wait, how long have they been dating? Yeah,
Speaker 7: he picked up the phone and said hello Chris, And
Speaker 7: so now they that's how they worked that in so
Speaker 7: six weeks Lorele and Christopher and Suki understandably is like,
Speaker 7: you know, not loving it. He's a rebound. You don't
Speaker 7: want to have the father of your child be your rebound.
Speaker 1: And Bryan, you know, I thought in that scene Suki
Speaker 1: best represented the fans in the entire fan base of
Speaker 1: Gilmour nation. Yeah. Mind, gotta be kidding me with this stuff, right, yeah? Good.
Speaker 3: She's also trying to be a friend.
Speaker 1: All right, it has to be a friend. Good point, yes,
Speaker 1: but still like, hey, you.
Speaker 2: Know mayan An Island that I was like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: kind of cute. He's calling her for a date. He
Speaker 2: sort of cute. This is sort of cute. Am I.
Speaker 2: I'm alone in that right alone? I mean it was it.
Speaker 1: Was okay, we don't worry about.
Speaker 7: And then we go to the apartment where Rory is
Speaker 7: unpacking and we see that ridiculous rocket again.
Speaker 2: You know, she actually looked at it with disdain.
Speaker 7: Too, and then she and she's like, oh, I don't
Speaker 7: know how to leave a message on an answering machine,
Speaker 7: like just move on from that already I found annoyed,
Speaker 7: completely checked out with.
Speaker 2: Her weird sidekick, and then she turned it into the
Speaker 2: phone and then she just met awkward message like she's
Speaker 2: never barely met this guy before, oh.
Speaker 3: Sir, like like it's been three days.
Speaker 2: Right, Like She's like, yeah, that was annoying.
Speaker 7: And then Richard calls, and so her phone rings, and
Speaker 7: she apparently thought it was Logan because she's like, oh
Speaker 7: my gosh, hi, and I did too, though, well, but
Speaker 7: she would.
Speaker 10: Not call her that sidekicks not but on Sidekicks you
Speaker 10: had your contact, So yeah, she known.
Speaker 7: I don't know, maybe it was like an unknown number
Speaker 7: and so Logan and she didn't me.
Speaker 2: So sometimes I pick up and I don't look possible, Yeah, I.
Speaker 8: Mean maybe.
Speaker 7: Maybe she thought he was calling right back or something.
Speaker 2: Is it going to be annoying if every throughout this
Speaker 2: whole episode, I say possible instead of yeah, remember when
Speaker 2: we had to talk with no ease or whatever?
Speaker 7: Go ahead, So Richard is going to be lecturing in
Speaker 7: the economics department and Emily's in the background screaming things
Speaker 7: at him, telling him what to say into the phone.
Speaker 7: And it's interesting he called to see if she would
Speaker 7: be okay with it.
Speaker 3: Like I like this, I thought it was nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's infiltrating her school. If my dad was going
Speaker 2: to be a law professor at my school, i'd want to.
Speaker 3: Know he's considering.
Speaker 4: I would want to know.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I mean if she was bothered by it,
Speaker 7: she wouldn't have to tell anyone that was her grandfather.
Speaker 2: Well, but like what if her pals are in the
Speaker 2: class and they're like, are you related to that?
Speaker 10: But they like I thought it was they all know
Speaker 10: because Richard and Emily are so involved with everyone's families,
Speaker 10: they would they would definitely know.
Speaker 1: I feel like, plus wouldn't They haven't. They had some
Speaker 1: consecutive unsuccessful Friday night dinners that sort of turned into disasters,
Speaker 1: and it was maybe his way of reaching out.
Speaker 10: And trying to It also made me think of when
Speaker 10: you know, they really wanted Rory to go to Yale
Speaker 10: and they were so pushy, and I think he maybe
Speaker 10: just wanted to, like, you know, just respect her boundaries.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I also just love seeing Richard in this way, Like
Speaker 6: like I hated when he wasn't working and then he
Speaker 6: got his job or you know, started working again, and
Speaker 6: that was amazing but then I don't know. I like,
Speaker 6: I like the concept that he's going to be a professor.
Speaker 6: I knew there's something fun about that.
Speaker 7: It was cute how excited he was about it too.
Speaker 6: I'm looking forward to more Rory and Richard at Yale
Speaker 6: scene like I'm excited for hopefully that to come.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Did Ken Herman have a new mustache or was there
Speaker 2: something about his look? He looked slightly different to.
Speaker 1: Me, his hair different that one was.
Speaker 4: I think he had a fresh haircut, often.
Speaker 2: Good, but it was just like I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: does he have a new something?
Speaker 1: Your hairdoo?
Speaker 10: And I know we'll get into it. But Emily and
Speaker 10: Richard like stole this episode.
Speaker 2: I totally agree Tara, especially Emily.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I say it now because I couldn't hold it
Speaker 3: any long.
Speaker 2: Thank you because I totally agree. Okay, you you going?
Speaker 7: So now we cut back to the diner and Luke
Speaker 7: is reading the.
Speaker 4: List of what not.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, that was funny. No gouging, no stabbing,
Speaker 7: And then this Patty tells her funny story about the ballerinas.
Speaker 7: So then April comes in with her avocado pit.
Speaker 2: Pit stop.
Speaker 7: That was a funny little line. I thought, this was cute,
Speaker 7: Like I I like seeing Luke doing the dad thing. Agree,
Speaker 7: so I I didn't. I love how Luke and April.
Speaker 7: I've always thought that was cute.
Speaker 6: He's like the least anxious person, and I love how
Speaker 6: overly anxious he is about being a dad. Yeah, everything
Speaker 6: that is surrounding April, he's just like, oh versus.
Speaker 7: He probably doesn't want to get in trouble with Anna.
Speaker 2: I'm also happy that they're giving you, Scott slash Luke
Speaker 2: something to do, Like now we've got some meat and
Speaker 2: something for you to do, and I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 2: And I was happy about that storyline, like okay, good,
Speaker 2: I'm not just seeing you like mirrored around the diner.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you know. Here we have two storylines that,
Speaker 1: as far as the fans are concerned, are like watching
Speaker 1: two horror shows. Because you've got Christopher and Laurel I Together,
Speaker 1: which is a horror show for the fans, and then
Speaker 1: you've got April and Looked Together, which is a double
Speaker 1: horror show. It's like a double feature of Bad.
Speaker 2: For Me, not a horror show, none of it.
Speaker 1: Right, But this is not what the fans wanted to see.
Speaker 1: This is not how they wanted to end up at all.
Speaker 1: That's I I just empathize with the fans because I
Speaker 1: know they're sitting there, like sitting there like I am, like,
Speaker 1: what happened to this show? What the freak is going
Speaker 1: on here? Every week?
Speaker 11: Do you enjoy your scenes as a view they doubled
Speaker 11: down on the bad thing, yet they made it more
Speaker 11: pleasant to consume, right, but it's still like, you know,
Speaker 11: full of chemicals.
Speaker 2: So when you're watching yourself with Vanessa, right, are you
Speaker 2: able to like sort of have some joy in the
Speaker 2: cuteness of those scenes? Like I did? And I don't
Speaker 2: want to speak for the listen.
Speaker 1: I always said that I thought it added a really
Speaker 1: necessary to mention to Luke. Okay, but the fact that
Speaker 1: they made that relationship drive a wedge between Luke and
Speaker 1: Laureola I think was maybe not the smartest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well said I agree. I would like those scenes
Speaker 2: more if I knew Lorelai was going to be over
Speaker 2: in a minute and all is good and stars.
Speaker 7: Hollow, right, Yeah, kind of in retrospect, I enjoy that
Speaker 7: relationship because when there was a scene where Luke and
Speaker 7: Laureli when he was buying the Twigham house, and they
Speaker 7: talked about kids and they both wanted to have kids.
Speaker 7: And then now they're broken up, and so we're thinking, Okay,
Speaker 7: I'm never going to get to see Luke and laurel
Speaker 7: I having kids, so this is gonna be my chance
Speaker 7: to see Luke as a dad. And that relationship for
Speaker 7: me did not disappoint. I thought it was very fun
Speaker 7: to see Luke as a dad because now I'm seeing that, well,
Speaker 7: Laurela's not in his picture anymore, so I'm not going
Speaker 7: to get that kind of a parenting situation. So this
Speaker 7: is this is gonna be what I get. And so
Speaker 7: I thought it was Enjoyable's.
Speaker 2: Quite darling and quite like she's not she's a good actress,
Speaker 2: like even when she's finding her place for the I
Speaker 2: was sort of like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was the real deal from the first rehearsal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the very first.
Speaker 1: Rehearsal, she was the real deal. And I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is going to be fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And she kind of seems like that, like having
Speaker 7: met her when we did the podcast event, like she
Speaker 7: was she and I had a delightful conversation, like she
Speaker 7: was just the nicest person to stay Vanessa's away. You
Speaker 7: can see that, like as a child, she would have
Speaker 7: been like she's like April, like precocious and prepared, and you.
Speaker 10: Know, and she was such a fan of the show,
Speaker 10: which is what makes it so much cooler.
Speaker 2: To Yeah, Vanessa and Laura are both like really cool,
Speaker 2: awesome people, Like they're really sweet, talented, nice people. I
Speaker 2: could see why even then, Scott, you knew, like, hey,
Speaker 2: this girls talented.
Speaker 1: Top notch, Yeah, top notch through and through, quality players,
Speaker 1: top of their game, pleasure to work with. So it's
Speaker 1: super professional. Yeah, you know, and you know they could
Speaker 1: have easily become series regulars.
Speaker 2: Did Vanessa do Switched at Birth or did.
Speaker 10: Laura Vanessa, Laura did, Austin and Ellie?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, thanks, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 7: Think that was That was actually one of the things
Speaker 7: that Vanessa and I were laughing about at at the
Speaker 7: podcast event because there was Scott. There was that charity
Speaker 7: event that we were at a few years ago and
Speaker 7: I can't remember, Oh, Jill Marini was there.
Speaker 2: Oh, we liked she. He was on Switched at Birth.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And so we were laughing afterwards about how one
Speaker 7: of Vanessa Morano's dads introduced me to another one of Vanessa.
Speaker 2: That's funny. Oh, that's very funny.
Speaker 3: That's cute, that's very funny.
Speaker 2: That's right. He was her birth dad.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 3: It was a really good It was a good show.
Speaker 7: Okay. So then the scene and the diner then leads
Speaker 7: into them walking into Luke's apartment. He shows her around.
Speaker 7: She's looking for a place to put her avocado pit.
Speaker 7: That was actually my my favorite line was in that
Speaker 7: scene when Luke says something like you know that, well,
Speaker 7: there'll be more more light in the morning, and then.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, this was my favorite line too, brown
Speaker 6: in the morning. Literally my favorite line. I wrote the
Speaker 6: same thing down.
Speaker 3: I love the Target, Target or Tarja.
Speaker 7: Okay, but Luke has never been to Target.
Speaker 10: Like I believe it because like when you explain where
Speaker 10: they live, you got to drive all the way to
Speaker 10: go to.
Speaker 6: Like, well, he sure has been to a rause, so true.
Speaker 2: They do have a Rando ralse.
Speaker 7: True, more like a local shopping kind of person, like
Speaker 7: he might not want to go to the big national
Speaker 7: chain kind of.
Speaker 3: Place he goes to.
Speaker 2: Dozi's exactly the thing that I like about the scenes
Speaker 2: with April and hopefully I'm saying this properly. You do
Speaker 2: feel like her dad, but you do feel like a
Speaker 2: new dad, do you know what I'm saying? Like the
Speaker 2: scenes are played like it's not like it just feels like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is exactly how it would be. They're they're getting
Speaker 2: super close. It's not quite to the level of like
Speaker 2: me and my dad, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: But like it all was good. I didn't.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 1: He's a giver, you know. I mean, he was a
Speaker 1: little bit of a different guy, but very similar with
Speaker 1: Jess than he is with his own daughter.
Speaker 7: He's a giver.
Speaker 1: He's giving me, he's gonna he's gonna err on the
Speaker 1: side of excess service that he's providing, you know, and.
Speaker 2: Care and parental.
Speaker 1: He's very parental, right, And both of them said, you know, Luke,
Speaker 1: that you're overdoing it. That's enough. I don't need all
Speaker 1: that you brought.
Speaker 2: Up Jess, because that I do think Jess gave you
Speaker 2: sort of a lot of training as a bother figure
Speaker 2: to slip into this role quite comfortably.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he was quite appropriately stern with Jess and
Speaker 1: gave him real boundaries for probably the first time in
Speaker 1: his life. And you know, he's in he's in deeper
Speaker 1: waters with his own daughter, because she's obviously precocious, and
Speaker 1: you know, she's very, very independent, and she's self sufficient
Speaker 1: for the most part, and.
Speaker 2: She's getting younger.
Speaker 1: I think she's going to end up looking after him,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Yeah, giving him life advice.
Speaker 2: Jess came to live with Luke and he was probably sixteen,
Speaker 2: if not seventeen, and April is only thirteen, so there
Speaker 2: is like a big difference there too.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it's you know it really and it also really
Speaker 1: illustrates how this massive gap between the young boys and girls,
Speaker 1: how much more advanced girls are.
Speaker 2: Well, she's also like a genius.
Speaker 1: Child, I understand, but across the board, I think that
Speaker 1: that's what I'm finding also with my son's school and
Speaker 1: his experiences.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think you're right. And I noticed, like my
Speaker 2: my six year old niece, the way she's talks compared
Speaker 2: to six year old boys.
Speaker 4: Like, whoa, that's so true.
Speaker 1: They're just on it, you know.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 7: Okay, so then we go to the newsroom. Rory's back
Speaker 7: in her element. She's handing out assignments. I was confused
Speaker 7: at first as to why Doyle was at Harvard, and
Speaker 7: then I backed it up and realized she was saying Hartford, right, he.
Speaker 3: Graduated, right, Yeah, he graduated.
Speaker 2: Age logan at Harvard.
Speaker 7: And then I realized, wait, no, that's very much because
Speaker 7: he graduated, he's not the job as a fact checker.
Speaker 7: Paris is trying to convince everyone that you know.
Speaker 2: Love it.
Speaker 1: This is this is actually my favorite see in this
Speaker 1: entire episode because it's the only time that a a
Speaker 1: day player lowered the boom on anybody in any of
Speaker 1: these episodes that was in the regular cast. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: she's that girl that was standing up, just leveled her.
Speaker 2: Actually is such a great point.
Speaker 1: And she just said she expressed what I fully believed, like,
Speaker 1: listen to this lunatic, you know, and she was snarky
Speaker 1: and sarcastic and just you know, just owned her, basically
Speaker 1: owned her with a couple of lines. So I thought, boy,
Speaker 1: that's interesting to do that to Paris's character with a
Speaker 1: day player.
Speaker 7: That is a great call.
Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved it.
Speaker 7: And so Rory is stuck covering the art show because
Speaker 7: the guy that she assigned it to had some sort
Speaker 7: of a personal issue with with that. Okay, so that
Speaker 7: set up that scene and then laurelized house. So she's
Speaker 7: trying to decide what to wear. She's already wearing the
Speaker 7: black dress, but she doesn't know what this date is
Speaker 7: going to be, so she's.
Speaker 6: Got the cardigan necklace number two.
Speaker 7: The sandals was cute.
Speaker 1: That was to ask you, guys, something did this come off?
Speaker 1: This scene come off as cringey? In the foyer?
Speaker 4: He wasn't a fan.
Speaker 6: You know what cringe to me was right after as
Speaker 6: they were getting into the car, what is the date?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: Is this the part of the date that I'm so
Speaker 6: to speak excited? What about that part?
Speaker 7: You know it that was so annoying? Is this is
Speaker 7: special thing?
Speaker 2: Am I not right? It's not my hashtag? Trying to
Speaker 2: we just.
Speaker 1: Sort of I mean, do we all?
Speaker 5: Amy?
Speaker 1: You don't have to respond, We know what you feel.
Speaker 1: But guys, are these the most awkward and cringey scenes?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: This is why?
Speaker 10: This is why I had a hard time with the episode.
Speaker 10: Is it specifically was the Lorelei Chris scenes? Like if
Speaker 10: I could have just removed all of the like this
Speaker 10: storyline in these scenes, I would have liked the episode,
Speaker 10: but it was so hard for me to watch, Like
Speaker 10: I wasn't like.
Speaker 3: A big fan of Chris.
Speaker 10: Before I didn't mind him if he came around, he
Speaker 10: bugged me, But like this season he bothers me.
Speaker 1: Now he's now, he's now he's like he's a rich guy,
Speaker 1: so he can do all this fancy stuff.
Speaker 7: Right, Like he shows up and you know, out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 6: Hayden for who he is. But he put together a
Speaker 6: good date.
Speaker 7: It was a creative idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's the thing the picture, that's the thing
Speaker 1: that you allow Loup to do because Luke earned that right.
Speaker 4: That's but he did it.
Speaker 3: But he did it.
Speaker 1: I think a bad choice.
Speaker 2: Possibly, but it's the choice we're given.
Speaker 1: So I think that's a far more romantic scene if
Speaker 1: Luke does that to get her back, because you're outside
Speaker 1: of his wait.
Speaker 6: To see what happens will I will say I find it.
Speaker 6: When I was watching the episode, I did find it
Speaker 6: interesting the dates that lore lies going on with Christopher
Speaker 6: versus the ones with Luke. Like, if you think about
Speaker 6: the ones with Luke, the one that comes to mind
Speaker 6: is at his house. He's cooking her a very fancy,
Speaker 6: schmancy meal. But it's still at his house, right, and
Speaker 6: it's just it's shown I don't know. I think it's
Speaker 6: showing like Christopher is the.
Speaker 3: The experienced guy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh this is I had the beautiful red car
Speaker 6: and I you know, open up the glove compartment. You'll
Speaker 6: find candy and the blah blah blah, you'll find popcorn,
Speaker 6: you know, all that stuff. And versus Luke was more
Speaker 6: just like humble, like come to my house. I'm gonna
Speaker 6: cook you a amazing dinner. You know it's yeah, I
Speaker 6: don't know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that Christopher move was it was more like he
Speaker 1: was taking himself out on a date.
Speaker 7: You know, I disagree.
Speaker 2: I thought it was lovely.
Speaker 1: He wanted he wanted all of these compliments. You know.
Speaker 1: I think back to him and it was just kind
Speaker 1: of manipulative.
Speaker 4: And I rented this cool car, I think, and.
Speaker 6: I think he was like, I want lore Lie so bad,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna sweep her off her feet. What is it
Speaker 6: that they got?
Speaker 2: They find bad movies? They've gone to five bad movies.
Speaker 2: They have the whole bit, which I admit was forced
Speaker 2: about how like all the movies maybe it's us. So
Speaker 2: he like it was very a cool date, Like it.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean I don't like it's the wrong person.
Speaker 9: In the car, the wrong person.
Speaker 2: But it's the person we have right now.
Speaker 6: It is the perfect date with the most wrong person guy.
Speaker 3: That is the whole point. I actually agree with you.
Speaker 10: I actually agree with you, like you wish that this
Speaker 10: was Luke because it's so romantic, but you don't.
Speaker 3: That guy there is.
Speaker 1: That's what makes it so wrong. It's not so wrong
Speaker 1: that it's right. It's so wrong that it's way wrong.
Speaker 7: It is a very moralized kind of date for her.
Speaker 7: It's a perfect wrong person. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, my goodness, it's the perfect date with the guy
Speaker 2: she's trying to make the guy. She is trying very
Speaker 2: hard to really make Christopher the guy.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what happens. I don't even
Speaker 1: want to know how he's.
Speaker 7: Going to sad before it gets better. But I mean,
Speaker 7: actually I agree with your last what you just said, Amy.
Speaker 7: She's trying really hard to make Christopher the guy. But
Speaker 7: if he really is the guy, she wouldn't have to
Speaker 7: try so hard.
Speaker 2: That's right, That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: That's what the way that Luke and Laurel I just
Speaker 1: so easily fold into each other, and there is work
Speaker 1: off of each other and bounce off of each other.
Speaker 2: There is something about their chemistry. I'm not saying they
Speaker 2: have no chemistry, but they're they're just trying too hard.
Speaker 2: The chemistry is a little off, even when they're in
Speaker 2: the car at the date.
Speaker 1: Like it's like a little non existent.
Speaker 2: And you know what, I will say, it's there was
Speaker 2: a little chemistry either.
Speaker 1: That was the side of the barn.
Speaker 2: That's what you're when I see it, I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: That was the wood that had that effect on you.
Speaker 6: I feel like it was all wrong on lauralizing, Like
Speaker 6: she's the one that made those scenes awkward in the
Speaker 6: sense of like, oh, is this a special thing? Is
Speaker 6: this a special thing? I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 6: if that was intentional. I feel that laurelized character made
Speaker 6: those scenes very weird.
Speaker 4: Actually felt sorry.
Speaker 1: I felt sorry for her because she's trying to make
Speaker 1: the best of a situation that she probably feels deep
Speaker 1: down has no chance and feels wrong, and she's being
Speaker 1: her most optimistic self and she's being brave about it,
Speaker 1: and she feels hurt by Luke and shunned by Luke,
Speaker 1: and I think it's it's it kills me to see
Speaker 1: it as a as a fan of the show, not
Speaker 1: just being part of it, but it's like this girl's
Speaker 1: really brave and she's really trying to make a life
Speaker 1: for herself, and this is just a desperate attempt and
Speaker 1: it's not working nobody's feelings.
Speaker 6: It's such a good point because Christopher is so in
Speaker 6: and he is saying he loves her and he's just
Speaker 6: being him. Whether you hate him or love him, He's
Speaker 6: just being Christopher. And Laurla is trying hard to make
Speaker 6: that work.
Speaker 1: That is not that is not the type of person
Speaker 1: that Laurele I really likes.
Speaker 3: No, and she made this decision and I'm just trying to.
Speaker 6: Is the person she's supposed to right now?
Speaker 2: She's this is the this is in my opinion, just
Speaker 2: my opinion. She's sort of liking that. She's trying to
Speaker 2: like Rory's dad. There is always something and the fact
Speaker 2: that Rory is sort of Okay, you're dating my dad,
Speaker 2: Like it's not horrible, is it, Luke?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 2: Is it her soulmate? No, it's all sort of like
Speaker 2: you always want your parents to be back together. And
Speaker 2: I think lorala I is feeling that too, like I
Speaker 2: want to like him even though we know deep down
Speaker 2: it's not right, but she wants to like it. There
Speaker 2: are three moments where I think there's chemistry. Two. One
Speaker 2: is when they're at the door and she does invite
Speaker 2: him in the other time that I really had joy
Speaker 2: and I know we're not quite there yet, is the
Speaker 2: fact that Christopher was there and she even acknowledges it
Speaker 2: for Emily to get arrested.
Speaker 6: But you know what's weird about that scene is Christopher,
Speaker 6: I think didn't really want Like he was just like, oh,
Speaker 6: your mom overshadowed.
Speaker 2: My date.
Speaker 1: Concern.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was annoying, that wasn't.
Speaker 6: I kind of I kind of understand that we're not
Speaker 6: in high school, like, come on, Like she she felt
Speaker 6: very high school in that scene.
Speaker 7: I think that's, like we've talked about before, is that
Speaker 7: when she's a on Christopher, she regresses, and so she
Speaker 7: is very high schooly And you know when she's running
Speaker 7: around in that high pitched voice going is this a
Speaker 7: special thing? Is this a special thing? She sounds like
Speaker 7: a seventh grader, Like that's I think that's what the
Speaker 7: issue is is that she literally is reverting back to
Speaker 7: what they had gazillions of years ago, right, That's that's
Speaker 7: all they had.
Speaker 9: Here.
Speaker 1: They are she's a far more complex adult. He seems
Speaker 1: to have not grown terribly much over the years. And
Speaker 1: she finds herself in a situation that is perfect for
Speaker 1: her with the wrong guy that she's trying to make
Speaker 1: the right guy who's trying to get some that night,
Speaker 1: and she doesn't feel it, and she's using this like
Speaker 1: I really like this right now, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to disturb it instead of.
Speaker 4: Going with it, because he's just too.
Speaker 1: He's got no game, he's too available, he's so he's
Speaker 1: like a puppy dog. Yeah, Like, what do you think.
Speaker 2: I think any of it, But I'm just gonna zip it.
Speaker 6: I think he really just wants to be with Lorelai,
Speaker 6: like I actually do think. I think Lorea is the
Speaker 6: one that's desperate, if I'm being honest, Like, I think
Speaker 6: she's the one that's trying so hard to make something work,
Speaker 6: and Christopher actually does want to be with her.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, I think no. What we mean by
Speaker 1: Christopher being desperate, he's desperate for her. She's not desper
Speaker 1: to him. He's desperate to hang on. She's not desperate
Speaker 1: to nail him down.
Speaker 3: She's just desperate to be in a relationship.
Speaker 6: Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're all yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying exactly the same thing. I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm not that mad watching this right now. I'm sort
Speaker 2: of enjoying it. I think they have a little bit
Speaker 2: of chemistry. I love the car ride. I love the movie,
Speaker 2: even though I think they were awkward and I was
Speaker 2: very nervous that all that popcorn must have been spilling
Speaker 2: in his center calm.
Speaker 6: Soul and cold.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they must have been driving for a long time,
Speaker 7: because it was daylight when he picked her up and
Speaker 7: nighttime they got to the bar, so they must have
Speaker 7: been driving for a while. So I don't know how
Speaker 7: he kept the popcorn hot.
Speaker 2: But but I did love him in the scenes. Family, Sorry,
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So all right, so we so Luke and April
Speaker 7: go to Target. They buy everything that's cerulean. H girl
Speaker 7: doesn't like all of it. So the okay, the conversation
Speaker 7: where she's trying to play up her science teacher Luke
Speaker 7: so they can have this romantic cute. It was shot,
Speaker 7: but it was a little weird.
Speaker 1: Weird.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and you know, Luke is trying to, you know,
Speaker 7: reassure her that she doesn't need to take care of him.
Speaker 7: He's going to take care of him.
Speaker 1: Right, This plays into her taking care of her own dead.
Speaker 4: Right, right, great kid being a great case.
Speaker 7: It was it was just was I don't know. It
Speaker 7: was felt weird to me that they were talking about
Speaker 7: this failed relationship because she was she played a role
Speaker 7: in that failed relationship, even though it wasn't her fault
Speaker 7: and she didn't know it. I'm not blaming her at all,
Speaker 7: but I don't know. The whole thing just felt like, oh,
Speaker 7: that's right, they're not together anymore.
Speaker 1: Like I was just kind of sad about it.
Speaker 7: But it right, It was a good father daughter moment, right.
Speaker 1: But it did show that he just wasn't interested in
Speaker 1: anybody else. Yeah, and that doesn't necessarily mean he's pining
Speaker 1: away for Loreli, but I think he is in silence again.
Speaker 2: Well, it is too soon.
Speaker 1: I think it's too soon for him to pine.
Speaker 2: It's too soon, frankly for either of them to be dating.
Speaker 1: I think there's that weird stage of numbness when some
Speaker 1: when you break up like that where it's just like
Speaker 1: you know, I don't care whatever, been there, done that.
Speaker 1: This is bizarre. I don't quite understand this and I
Speaker 1: don't understand my own feelings right now. So it's it's
Speaker 1: like I'm just going to go about my business, you know,
Speaker 1: because I can't process it. I don't think he's able
Speaker 1: to process this, right. Yeah. And then life keeps flooding
Speaker 1: in in April, and here we go and he's got
Speaker 1: a business to run, he's got a daughter to raise,
Speaker 1: and you know, he's probably unable to comprehend what has
Speaker 1: what has happened really for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right on that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: All right. So then we have the start of the movie,
Speaker 7: which we pretty much already talked about this scene and
Speaker 7: then Richard is sitting in my office at Yale talking
Speaker 7: on the phone to Emily, which you know, as we
Speaker 7: find out thirty seconds later, is illegal in Connecticut. We
Speaker 7: see Emily get pulled over. She doesn't want to blow
Speaker 7: into the breath.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 10: Can I say my favorite line because it's in the
Speaker 10: scene or I pulled it up like.
Speaker 2: Young man, I don't know where that's been.
Speaker 1: No, he's not going anywhere nearby.
Speaker 2: Certainty, it won't be going anywhere near that was That
Speaker 2: was great.
Speaker 10: But my favorite line is the police officer says, you
Speaker 10: were on a cell phone, man, and she goes, I
Speaker 10: don't see how that's your concern.
Speaker 3: Do my bills go to your office? Coffee is out?
Speaker 6: It's a band too.
Speaker 7: Emily, My god.
Speaker 2: The whole episode might.
Speaker 10: Have been my favorite scene she's done ever in the show.
Speaker 2: I will say I might agree.
Speaker 7: It was all the way.
Speaker 3: It was so unhinged, and it was so great.
Speaker 2: All the way from that, all the way to jail,
Speaker 2: all the way to driving home with them and being like.
Speaker 3: Are you grabbing her?
Speaker 2: Meat?
Speaker 3: Grabbing her you guys on a.
Speaker 2: Date is so good. Her hair is all going to
Speaker 2: be whack, and the convertible good. Somebody also pointed out,
Speaker 2: is that the same jail that Rory went to for
Speaker 2: the yacht staff?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and Laura I picked her up?
Speaker 7: I think so, think so because that guy was sitting
Speaker 7: behind a glass window.
Speaker 1: Yeah I remember, yeah.
Speaker 2: And Loreley just taking pictures of everything on our.
Speaker 6: All the guard.
Speaker 1: Funny.
Speaker 7: The whole thing was really good, like.
Speaker 10: Made laurelized day, Like if the dates didn't do it,
Speaker 10: this did.
Speaker 1: That just shows that Christopher's timing is just really bad.
Speaker 1: You know, life is just not agreeing with this relationship.
Speaker 2: At least for anyone listening, Dream.
Speaker 4: Date is going to get sabotaged by something for nothing.
Speaker 2: At least people can.
Speaker 1: Something far more entertaining.
Speaker 7: Actually, I can.
Speaker 2: Hear a point, because at least one of us is
Speaker 2: trying to find some because.
Speaker 1: You don't you think the fans were so pleased with
Speaker 1: the Emily getting arrested, the phone call that came during
Speaker 1: that day, because can we please get out of this
Speaker 1: most awkward, cringey thing in the history of television and.
Speaker 4: Give us something to happen.
Speaker 1: Emily greatness? Right, So I was so appreciative of that.
Speaker 2: I actually sort of like their weird sex talk too,
Speaker 2: like when they're talking about why she doesn't want to
Speaker 2: spend the night kind of a thing, remember that in
Speaker 2: the car, And that's kind of weird. But it was good.
Speaker 2: It was good.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I think there was a lot to that
Speaker 6: about her saying like she didn't she doesn't trust their relationship.
Speaker 1: And then I think if you could possibly make that
Speaker 1: character more unlikable, they accomplished it because when he dropped
Speaker 1: her off, and I think we just mentioned this, he
Speaker 1: was insecure about because you know, you know Emily upstage
Speaker 1: date and.
Speaker 4: It was like, that wasn't great.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie that part.
Speaker 6: To his point. I'm just kind of like I kind
Speaker 6: of understand why he's annoyed that they're like in high school.
Speaker 2: I think that I was away from the date, like
Speaker 2: it was still a great date and this was just
Speaker 2: the cherry on top because he he's og with Loralai.
Speaker 2: So the fact that he knows everything and gets to
Speaker 2: go to jail to pick up Emily, to me, it
Speaker 2: made the date better, which I.
Speaker 1: Think, ye, well, it made the date better for Laurelai.
Speaker 1: It didn't make the date better for him. Rind about it.
Speaker 1: It should have and he should have rolled with it
Speaker 1: and just had a great.
Speaker 4: Time with exactly.
Speaker 2: You're right, exactly, you know.
Speaker 1: But again he's got no game yea.
Speaker 7: So then it kind of makes an abrupt turn.
Speaker 2: Oh yes it does.
Speaker 7: Emily gets pulled over by the cop and then it
Speaker 7: cuts to them at the art show.
Speaker 2: Yes it was.
Speaker 3: It was so weird.
Speaker 7: What do we think about the art show? Because that
Speaker 7: made me feel.
Speaker 3: Certain that I thought the like the water cooler part
Speaker 3: was really weird. Yeah, Like I was at first, I
Speaker 3: was like, wait, we know these girls.
Speaker 10: It it took me a second, I'm like, these girls are
Speaker 10: from somewhere that I realized it's they continue in the season.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that introduction was so weird.
Speaker 2: They had to figure out how to get him in
Speaker 2: there somehow.
Speaker 7: I thought it was just weird how like it started
Speaker 7: out like they were pranking her with the water cooler bit,
Speaker 7: but then they're like, oh my gosh, Paris, We're obsessed
Speaker 7: with Paris And where did that come from?
Speaker 3: We've ever been obsessed with Paris?
Speaker 2: Right, that was weird.
Speaker 3: That was weird.
Speaker 1: Why in what way.
Speaker 2: That was weird? And like it was almost like they
Speaker 2: wrote it in there to be like that'll bond her
Speaker 2: quicker with these girls audience to get her two new
Speaker 2: friends because she doesn't have logan and she needs somebody
Speaker 2: to talk to in scenes. But I was like, we
Speaker 2: don't need to know that they even know Paris.
Speaker 1: You think they were just putting her on just saying
Speaker 1: that because they know she knows.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, when you're like trying to bond
Speaker 2: with somebody.
Speaker 3: You just say like whatever they want to hear, try.
Speaker 2: And find a mutual thing. This was unnecessary.
Speaker 7: It just felt because Rory's usually kind of maybe a
Speaker 7: little introverted than a little shy, and.
Speaker 1: You know, you know what I'm thinking. And I don't
Speaker 1: know what is to come here in season seven. But
Speaker 1: maybe those girls were just trying to get in Logan's
Speaker 1: apartment to get more information on Logan because they both
Speaker 1: want Logan for themselves.
Speaker 6: They're going to was my thought too, Like they're shoplifting there, totally.
Speaker 6: I totally thought they were, Like I'm not even.
Speaker 7: Getting they're going to Rory College.
Speaker 2: In college, you made friends way quicker, especially like if
Speaker 2: you you had a bonding, right.
Speaker 6: So like friends in the bathroom line, your best friend.
Speaker 2: I'm a kapa, I'm a pie. I want to go
Speaker 2: to dinner. Okay, Like literally, that's.
Speaker 4: How I get Tory.
Speaker 1: Rory is getting played.
Speaker 2: It just because wait for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: you guys have.
Speaker 2: To just wait because there's a whole thing yeah a coming.
Speaker 10: It did take me a second boat because I forgot
Speaker 10: about them altogether.
Speaker 3: We're not going I won't say anything.
Speaker 6: I still think they're gonna screw.
Speaker 2: They're going to steal his popcorn. Yeah, just just know
Speaker 2: was so messy, though it also give me the Willies
Speaker 2: when they're spilling the kernels, and.
Speaker 7: I'm just like, oh my god, I have had a
Speaker 7: red flag on that because I'm sorry, but nobody has
Speaker 7: owned an air popper since nineteen eighty six? Why is
Speaker 7: that in Logan's apartment? I refuse?
Speaker 2: Did they say it was a pop popper from eighty six?
Speaker 11: Well?
Speaker 7: Who used That's when we used air poppers.
Speaker 2: Oh, Suzanne, I hate to tell you this, but I
Speaker 2: have that. I was good.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say they're kind of cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're a same okay now, but.
Speaker 7: In two thousand and seven, nobody I think we've had
Speaker 7: we've had an air popper. Microwave popcorn all the way.
Speaker 2: No, actually, that's bad for you.
Speaker 10: I know a lot of people who've always made their
Speaker 10: popcorn that way and they refuse to use microwaves.
Speaker 7: Okay, maybe I just have weird friends. I do not
Speaker 7: know one single person.
Speaker 2: Do you guys want to know a sorority.
Speaker 1: Check listen jiffy pop. I have nothing to contribute.
Speaker 6: To the grid if you pop over a fire?
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, well yeah, yes.
Speaker 2: Do you guys want to know a sorority trick? Okay,
Speaker 2: So in the sorority, there's like a kitchen. But you
Speaker 2: can't just like go into and open the refrigerator. You're
Speaker 2: not allowed, so it's like locked. So this is at
Speaker 2: least in mind. There's a little kitchen and in it
Speaker 2: there was apples, bananas, peanut, butter, bread and popcorn. So
Speaker 2: you take a brown lunch sack, put the kernels in there,
Speaker 2: roll it up, pop that in the microwave. Perfect bag
Speaker 2: of popcorn. Yeah, there you go, and then you salt it.
Speaker 2: I don't even I don't think we ever had butter.
Speaker 2: I don't think we had butter anyway, I digress. But
Speaker 2: I do have an air popper, literally, just like that one. Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't have that gourmet popcorn that she was spilling everywhere.
Speaker 1: I never used an air popper never.
Speaker 2: How do you make your popcorn now?
Speaker 1: I don't. We don't. We just buy it in bags
Speaker 1: like the Trader Joe's Ready. I don't even know if
Speaker 1: pops available anymore.
Speaker 2: I hope it is.
Speaker 7: Access trying to explain it to my kids a couple
Speaker 7: of months ago, and it is still and it's probably
Speaker 7: my grandparents.
Speaker 2: That was the stuff you shook over the stove.
Speaker 1: It's so brilliant. But the thing is it's like the
Speaker 1: popcorn on Amazon expand the waistline.
Speaker 12: Probably from from agost It in their garage for the
Speaker 12: Zombie Apocalypse to need that right, right.
Speaker 7: So we did the art show and then so Chris
Speaker 7: and Laura I finished their dates. She gets the phone call.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 7: Then we cut to Luke's apartment. April's going to bed.
Speaker 7: She's reading her biology textbook. That was very cute. That
Speaker 7: was when they had that cute little moment about here
Speaker 7: care of her. Then we go, okay, so this was
Speaker 7: this scene was hilarious. The jail scene when they're picking
Speaker 7: her up and Emily was like, thank you for giving
Speaker 7: me my belongings that I already owned.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, one thing.
Speaker 6: When they were at Luke's apartment, April tell says she
Speaker 6: knows that they broke up and that her mom told her.
Speaker 6: I know that was a nugget that like, oh.
Speaker 2: Her mom told her. Her mom didn't say I caused it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, And you wonder like how she told her,
Speaker 7: like was it like a gossip peehunt?
Speaker 2: And I feel like it was honey. You know how
Speaker 2: April and Anna have that such mother daughtery thing. So
Speaker 2: Anna probably felt obligated, Honey, I know you're gonna go
Speaker 2: see your dad just so you know he's broken up
Speaker 2: with Loralai. Don't bring it up, you know. I'm sure
Speaker 2: she did it as some mother daughter teaching moment or something, maybe,
Speaker 2: I hope.
Speaker 7: So, I mean, I feel like she could have been
Speaker 7: a little glowedy about it, but.
Speaker 2: She's not the type. I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 2: she's everything's about being the mom. But but I could
Speaker 2: be wrong on that. There might have been a little
Speaker 2: bit of a glow too.
Speaker 7: So then we get to the scene where Rory arrives
Speaker 7: at the apartment with Lucy and Olivia and they're all
Speaker 7: like wow, and then Logan calls and she kind of
Speaker 7: blows them off. So this made me think because it
Speaker 7: was Logan calls and he's already at work, so it
Speaker 7: must have been like in.
Speaker 2: The morning, I thought, So, what did we decide? London
Speaker 2: is eight hours later. I think he could have been midnight,
Speaker 2: and it's.
Speaker 3: Five hours because five hours from the.
Speaker 2: East coast, that's right, So it must be two am three, Yeah,
Speaker 2: two a two or.
Speaker 7: Three in the morning, which I mean, that's fine, Yeah,
Speaker 7: that's very collegy.
Speaker 6: We say that, Well, she was drunk, right, that's safety.
Speaker 7: They were all, Yeah, they must have gone somewhere after
Speaker 7: the art show, because the art show wouldn't still be open.
Speaker 7: We went and had a few drinks.
Speaker 3: And came back to the apartment.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I can't.
Speaker 6: I'm I'm happy for Rory that she did that.
Speaker 2: And that she has some friends.
Speaker 3: She needed to have some fun.
Speaker 6: She was just like and not just wait around the
Speaker 6: phone the whole time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, Like, because the past couple episodes have been
Speaker 7: like slogging through quicksand with her, like she's just blipping
Speaker 7: around and you know, missus logan and doesn't know what
Speaker 7: to do, and so this was I liked this episode
Speaker 7: because I kind of got her back in the saddle
Speaker 7: little bit.
Speaker 8: M h.
Speaker 3: I feel like the episodes prior she fell trapped because
Speaker 3: her boyfriend was in a different country and she couldn't
Speaker 3: do anything.
Speaker 10: And now she's like back in a routine with school
Speaker 10: and actually meeting new people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's she's living a little bit more of
Speaker 2: a normal sort of situation.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: So then we.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then so then we kind of already talked
Speaker 7: about this scene too. We're back on the porch at
Speaker 7: loralized house.
Speaker 2: And this where I felt a little chemistry even though
Speaker 2: he was annoying.
Speaker 7: Yeah, one thing I wanted to discuss is in the
Speaker 7: car when they're at the date, she was telling him
Speaker 7: she doesn't trust them yet. She wants to go slow
Speaker 7: and just kind of keep it where it is for now,
Speaker 7: and he's like, okay, I can wait, I can wait.
Speaker 7: And then they're back on the front porch and she's like, oh,
Speaker 7: do you want to come in?
Speaker 3: It's like no, no, but he.
Speaker 2: Was She said do you want to come in? Because
Speaker 2: guess what, we know what means.
Speaker 7: She wasn't ready for that, so now she.
Speaker 2: Changed her mind after they had such a great time.
Speaker 6: That's what's annoying.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it is annoying, right because Christopher's like a single
Speaker 7: cell organism, like he just you have to be direct
Speaker 7: with him. Keeps sending him these mixed messages.
Speaker 6: But that's why I can't blame him in this episode.
Speaker 6: I truly cannot blame him. He's actually he's just following
Speaker 6: loreal likely, if I'm being completely honest, he's just following
Speaker 6: her exactly.
Speaker 1: His problem.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I just was aggravated with her in
Speaker 7: the scene. I don't I agree that, you know, Christopher
Speaker 7: is just going to follow what she does, so she
Speaker 7: says come in. He's not ever gonna say no.
Speaker 6: Yea.
Speaker 7: So I was annoyed with her. I'm not ready for this,
Speaker 7: but then let's go do this.
Speaker 3: Yes, Susanne, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: It was just like the dog runs in and gets
Speaker 1: the treats.
Speaker 3: I mean I literally rolled my eyes at the end
Speaker 3: of this episode.
Speaker 6: I was like, really, like again again, like for the
Speaker 6: third time?
Speaker 3: Are we gonna again?
Speaker 10: Are we going to the episode the same way for
Speaker 10: the fourth time in a row?
Speaker 3: Like you know, it's just always.
Speaker 7: Like a.
Speaker 1: Puppy dog has the popcorn ready puppy dog.
Speaker 7: Here's the outlier, Scott the puppy dog.
Speaker 2: I didn't hate it. I we we spoke briefly about it.
Speaker 2: But the scenes with Emily, I've said it twenty times,
Speaker 2: were amazing. I love getting her picked up at jail.
Speaker 7: The whole thing.
Speaker 2: Are you on today?
Speaker 7: Like the whole thing A highlight for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's wrap this bear up.
Speaker 2: I'm scared who should go? Should I go first or last?
Speaker 2: With my rating?
Speaker 1: Well, I think you should go first and all right,
Speaker 1: go ahead, goats lead us off.
Speaker 2: Nine point wow three Redvine nine point three.
Speaker 1: What do you give it?
Speaker 10: Emily really redeemed this episode for me, so I will
Speaker 10: give it a.
Speaker 3: Seven point five water coolers.
Speaker 6: Tara Danielle eight point two egg bagels.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, sounds good.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it.
Speaker 7: So this was an interesting episode because it really set
Speaker 7: up a lot of storylines to fan out from here
Speaker 7: for the rest of the season. So structurally I appreciated that.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna give it a seven points three packs of
Speaker 7: socks from Target.
Speaker 2: Oh, I forgot about the socks.
Speaker 1: Good. Yeah. Uh, I've already said what I'm going to
Speaker 1: say about this episode. I've been consistent in my dislike
Speaker 1: of season seven. I've been scoring shows zeros and then
Speaker 1: another zero and then I think I gave half a
Speaker 1: point last week, didn't I or something like that. I'm
Speaker 1: going to give this just for the cringe worthiness. I'm
Speaker 1: going to deduct several points, but there were some strong
Speaker 1: points as well. So I'm really gonna go out on
Speaker 1: a limb here and give it like a three point
Speaker 1: seven to two.
Speaker 3: A jump jump from the last.
Speaker 4: Four three.
Speaker 1: Of Hartford police citations.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 10: And I will say that I don't know if this
Speaker 10: is mean, but I think this episode was tad better
Speaker 10: because we didn't have the lame storyline.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree with that.
Speaker 4: That's a good point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it made a tad bit better.
Speaker 1: Give me gim me Richard and Emily every single time.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, over everyone.
Speaker 10: Wow, I wouldn't, well, not everyone, but I mean, like,
Speaker 10: I mean, like these storylines we're having, like right, I
Speaker 10: think it's always a fuller show with Yeah, they they
Speaker 10: round the show out.
Speaker 1: I mean I think they're, you know, the central core
Speaker 1: of the show. So yeah, you gotta have that. Anyway,
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