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Speaker 1: This is a special episode of Crime Stories with Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace finding Chase Masner Episode two. She wants her son home.

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Speaker 1: Chase Masner isn't a Rock War veteran, a husband, a father,

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Speaker 1: and he's missing. His mother, Stephanie has worried about him

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Speaker 1: every day for three years. His wife told us she

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Speaker 1: dropped him off at a quick trip in Cobb County,

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Speaker 1: where he works. His family says he was last seen

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Speaker 1: at a friend's house in Kennesaw three years ago on March.

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Speaker 1: We don't know what happened. I mean, it's like he

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Speaker 1: vanished from that home, not to be seen or heard

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Speaker 1: from again. Him that he would never do this and

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't just go and leave his family and his

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Speaker 1: love for interfere. Despite some intense searching, a few clues

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Speaker 1: have been found. We have a missing veteran, We have

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Speaker 1: a friend, a son, a father, and our main goal

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Speaker 1: has always been to bring him home, and that emotion

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Speaker 1: will never end until he's that going. Three years after

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Speaker 1: a Sun Chase Master went missing, Stephanie Codinia continue searching

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Speaker 1: for him. The first several weeks they were not actively

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Speaker 1: investigating because, in their words, it's not a crime to

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Speaker 1: be missing. If he wanted to walk away, it's not

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Speaker 1: a crime. Every once in a while, I allow myself

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Speaker 1: to imagine going into my twins room and one or

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Speaker 1: both of them are gone. Why do I ever imagine

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Speaker 1: that as painful as it is because of a particular woman,

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Speaker 1: and her name is Stephanie Cadina. Because every day she

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Speaker 1: looks at her son's picture. Every day she wonders, where

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Speaker 1: is he? What happened? What can I do to find him?

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Speaker 1: And I put myself in that spot, and I can

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Speaker 1: imagine myself just running out the door like a wild animal,

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Speaker 1: screaming to the neighborhood. Have you seen John David? Have

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Speaker 1: you seen Lucy? And at a certain point, when you

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Speaker 1: can't cry anymore, and you can't speak anymore, and your

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Speaker 1: voice is cracked and you've got nobody to turn to,

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Speaker 1: you just go numb. This is crime stories. I Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: and I want to thank you for being with me.

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Speaker 1: We have traveled to see that woman. Stephanie Cadina is

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Speaker 1: with me right now. Also with me is Daniel Wilkerson

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Speaker 1: from CBS forty six, who has also been on the story,

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Speaker 1: along with Alan Duke and our staff, Lee and others

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Speaker 1: from Crime Online. Where you're all here now and I

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Speaker 1: wish you were here with us. We're all gathered around

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Speaker 1: a table. We're all sifting through bits and pieces of evidence,

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Speaker 1: trying to make some sense heads aard tails of where

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Speaker 1: is Chase pastor? I want to pause and thank our

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Speaker 1: today and now to Stephanie Cadina. Stephanie, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. You know we have gone round and

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Speaker 1: round and round like a dog chasing its tail and

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Speaker 1: then when you catch it, you still don't have anything.

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Speaker 1: Can you take me back to the day that Chase

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Speaker 1: went missing? What happened? Chase was at our house. He

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Speaker 1: was staying with us for a few days, and spoke

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Speaker 1: with Amanda, his wife, on the phone. Now, hold on,

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Speaker 1: he's married with two little girls at this time, two

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Speaker 1: little little girls, but he and a man. He's just

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Speaker 1: come out of active duty. He's coming home and he's

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Speaker 1: having problems assimilating back into the regular civilian world. Okay,

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Speaker 1: A lot of people can identify with that. When I

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Speaker 1: assimilating with regular people. So I can barely imagine what

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Speaker 1: he was going through. So he's fighting with Amanda, and

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Speaker 1: he came to stay at your house for a few days,

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Speaker 1: all right, Okay? Then what he had been with us

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Speaker 1: Away from each work, and she had just started working

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Speaker 1: finally lands a job at Quick Trip. Yes, I know,

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Speaker 1: you don't grow up as a little boy thinking hey,

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Speaker 1: I get it. But he was having a hard time.

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Speaker 1: So they leave together. Where were the babies? The girls

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Speaker 1: in the car? Then? What happens? And what day is that?

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Speaker 1: In March three? All right? Then what happens? And what

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Speaker 1: time of the day was that? It was in the evening,

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Speaker 1: early evening. I'm thinking six in the evening. Okay, he leaves.

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Speaker 1: When did you hear from him next? Never? That was

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Speaker 1: it when he left? What do you remember about him leaving?

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Speaker 1: What little thing do you remember? He was just so frustrated.

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Speaker 1: It was he was very irritated, agitated, and just about

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Speaker 1: Or the argument he was having with Amanda. I really

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Speaker 1: leaves her on six thirty that evening, three six March,

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Speaker 1: to him again. Did you ever text with him again? No?

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Speaker 1: I text him, but I didn't get any response. That's significant.

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Speaker 1: When did you text him? Not until the next day.

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Speaker 1: Is that normal for him to have gone the whole

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Speaker 1: night without texting or anything. Well, yes, because like I

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Speaker 1: him or text him that night. The next day, yeah,

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Speaker 1: mother in law butting in. Okay. Had he already had

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Speaker 1: good news. Okay. So next day what happens? Next day,

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Speaker 1: I got up, just proceeded as a normal day, and

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Speaker 1: I got a text from Amanda later in the afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Did you text him that day? Not until after I

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Speaker 1: Did she tell you what? No, she didn't give me

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Speaker 1: took Chase to Breath House between eight and nine the

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Speaker 1: night of three twenty six. She took him to Breath

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Speaker 1: so they made it for about three hours. Yes, got

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Speaker 1: into an argument. She took him to Brad's. Do you

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Speaker 1: believe she took him to Brad's? I do. I have

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Speaker 1: no reason not to believe that she didn't, because Brad

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Speaker 1: time that day? Well, as soon as I found out

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Speaker 1: got that text, I started calling his phone and texting.

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Speaker 1: And what time would that have been? After? Four? Okay?

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Speaker 1: So four pm? You start texting and calling. Then Thursday

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Speaker 1: March twenty seven, at three seven p m. R. Baby leave,

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Speaker 1: just sleeping, which is totally okay, but I need to

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Speaker 1: know that you're all right. I love you And this message.

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Speaker 1: Did the phone goes straight to voicemail or did it ring?

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Speaker 1: I just wont off his phone was already out of commission.

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Speaker 1: I wonder was he killed that night and everything else

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Speaker 1: was a lie? That's what I'm wondering. I don't think

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Speaker 1: for sure. Would you have expected to hear from him

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Speaker 1: before four o'clock? No, but after you texted him and

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Speaker 1: called him, what you've expected to hear from him? Yes,

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Speaker 1: immediately or a few hours later, within five ten minutes.

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Speaker 1: with your knowledge of the facts. It does. The only

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Speaker 1: friend who last saw Chase. He says that he picked

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Speaker 1: when I called UM and reported Chase missing and Amanda

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Speaker 1: Which means different witnesses can see or hear are different things,

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Speaker 1: The fact is Brad says they meant a quick trip,

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Speaker 1: we believe anyway that he was with Brad from that

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Speaker 1: point on. So quick trip or house? How far did

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Speaker 1: last time anyone but Brad saw him that we know of. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: at Brad's house he was having rufing done. Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: And did they any of the roofers ever see him?

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Speaker 1: They're alive. I don't know, do you know, Dan know?

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Speaker 1: they have Was he in a bedroom of sleep the

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Speaker 1: whole time or what? According to Brad, yes, he was

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Speaker 1: were outside the home. Primarily they had a barbecue. Brad

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Speaker 1: give a barbecue? Brad says that he invited him hand

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Speaker 1: for a barbecue. And while they're the rufers say Brad

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Speaker 1: gave them a chore of Brad's home included the bedroom.

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Speaker 1: They went all over. According to well, did they see

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Speaker 1: did they see Chase? No? They didn't. I'm not even

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Speaker 1: ask why would he give the rufers a tour of

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Speaker 1: at what time too, between two and four sometime to

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Speaker 1: train and he doesn't see Chase. Then he does. He

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Speaker 1: goes back upstairs, he sees Chase. He then goes down

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Speaker 1: and starts to cookie in the backyard. No, he sleep

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Speaker 1: and he said at that point I could tell that

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Speaker 1: he hadn't moved because he was in the same spot

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Speaker 1: as when I was. You off for that information, same

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Speaker 1: spot information. That's very odd. Don't you think that's odd? Yes? Okay,

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Speaker 1: he says odd, either that he mentioned it or that

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Speaker 1: it's true. Both of those are odd to me. All right.

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00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: So then he then went downstairs started to grill and

435
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: somehow caught the backyard on fire. They get it out,

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00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: he goes back. Brad goes back upstairs to tell Chase,

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Speaker 1: Hey man, I called the yard on fire. You're I'm

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00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: gonna believe what happened. At that point, you realized Chase

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Speaker 1: was gone. So somewhere between say four and six, that's

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Speaker 1: when Chase disappears. Okay, so I thought he was back.

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Speaker 1: From between two and four, he returned bright color, and

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Speaker 1: Chase has done a voice mail saying, hey man, where

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Speaker 1: are you? That I went back up there and you

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00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: were going. Then Thursday, March twenty seven, at three fifty

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00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: a man, what's up? What did you gotta do? I

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00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: stopped back from I'm in a run down town. Um

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00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: the roof, and guy, should you left up like two hours?

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00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: I think they've used out of here and the message,

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00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: but the roofs say they did not seem like Is

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00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: that right? The Ruffs say they did not see him leave.

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Speaker 1: And in my interview I asked Bread, I said, you

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Speaker 1: initially said early on that the roofers saw cha leave,

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Speaker 1: and then you change your story. I said what? And

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Speaker 1: his reply was, I just assumed the roofers saw Chase lead.

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00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: So that this is what we don't have. We don't

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00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: have the video surveillance from quick Trip verifying the thirty

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Speaker 1: minutes that he's there, but we have a photo that

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00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: seems to verify he was there. We don't know that

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Speaker 1: he ever made it to Brad's and we can't verify

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00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: also the computer stop where Brad went that morning to

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00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: drop off a computer, the roofs say they never saw him,

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Speaker 1: even though they took a tour of his home. Do

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Speaker 1: we know if police ever pinned Chase's phone? Do you know, Stephanie,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that. What, if anything, have police shared

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Speaker 1: with you that they're doing on the case. They've told

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Speaker 1: me that they've interviewed Brad. Did they ask him to

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00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: take a polly? Brad tells me yes, they did ask

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00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: him to take a policy. Take the po he says

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Speaker 1: he did not because he says his nerves would have

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00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: been all over the place, and he says that if

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Speaker 1: they had asked his address, he would have gotten Well,

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Speaker 1: how about now, do you think he's still nervy? In

473
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: my interview, he says that he would take one. Let's

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00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: good to know, and we could set that up. But

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Speaker 1: then a couple of days later he told me he wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know what. Well, maybe we can persuade him.

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Speaker 1: What are they telling you that they have done? I

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Speaker 1: know you begged him to search a a dumpster in

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood that was full of roofing materials, correct, and

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Speaker 1: they searched the wrong dumpster. What else have they done?

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Speaker 1: They're trying to verify the computer drop off, which they

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00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: have not been able to find. If they can't find

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00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: it by now, I would guess that it didn't happen,

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00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: wild guess. But you know what, We're back at square one, Stephanie,

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00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: because we have to talk to Brad. That's the missing

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00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: link here. Now we know he has refused to polygraph

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00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: and then stated again he will take a polygraph. I'm

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00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: going looking for him, Okay, okay, armed with nothing but

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00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: my iPhone and I am going to find him and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask him what happened. I'm gonna see what

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Speaker 1: story he's gonna tell me, and we'll take it from there.

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Speaker 1: But I want to note from you, as we sit

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00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: here together right now, what are your thoughts? I just

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00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: I just want another truth. I want to know what

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00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: happened to Chase. Do you believe Chase is still alive?

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00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: I do not. Now are you saying that with your

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00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: heart and your head? Or yes? I don't believe he's

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00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: a life. Can you think of a reason that anyone

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00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: would have wanted him dead? Not a single reason? To

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00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: his daughters ever asked where is daddy? The oldest one does?

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00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: And what do people tell the daughters? I've been told

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00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: that Chase's grandparents grandfather specifically, has talked to Sydney and

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00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: told her that her daddy's in heaven. Have any of

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00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: these players come to speak to you, the friend, the

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00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: computer people, Brad, the Quick Trip people, the renters down

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00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: the street, everyone would possibly have seen him after you did.

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Speaker 1: Has anybody come forward to tell you anything? No? Why?

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00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like everybody, everybody's back and away

509
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: from this. I don't want to touch it with a

510
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: ten football, and I find that very disturbing. I do too.

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Speaker 1: What's your message today to anyone that knows anything about

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00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: Chase's whereabouts? Get it off your chest, tell us the truth,

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00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: and let us have peace. Would you be willing to

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00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: forego a prosecution in exchange for knowing what happened to Chase? Absolutely,

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00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not trying to get revenge or get

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00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: anyone in trouble, and it's just trying to find justice

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00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: for Chase. See. I don't think that I could ever

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00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: live with knowing someone killed him. I don't think I

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00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: could exchange justice for truth. I'm not sure about that.

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00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: I got to think the thing through. Just is it

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00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: worth just knowing what happened to forgo a prosecution of

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00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: whoever is responsible? I don't know the answer to that.

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00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: I've never had to face that question myself. I've had

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00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,959
Speaker 1: to ask other people that question. I've lived the last

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00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: three years not knowing, and every single day it's just hell,

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00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: you know what. I don't know what's gonna happen, but

527
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: I know this. We're gonna try because I can't stand

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00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: see any cry like this. And if it were God

529
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: forbid my own child. I can live with myself. Either

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00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: with me is Chase Master's mother, Stephanie. And we are

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00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: on a search for the truth. And again thank you

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00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: to Crime con our sponsor for our podcast today making

533
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: our search for Chase Masner possible. In our search for answers,

534
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: we have finally found the wild card. Brad Clements take

535
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: me through what happened that when he goes missing. I mean,

536
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: it's really not that much like it's like everybody says,

537
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: I like change my story and all this stuff, but

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00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: it's like that was like what I did that day,

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00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, that wasn't really anything to do

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00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: with Chase. It was like, you know, I ran about

541
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: of errings what I was doing, you know, most time

542
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: when I was fixing up my house, like he was

543
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: there that night and then you know, basically left sometime

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00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: between when I was coming back from the store to

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00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: when I started cooking. Like I mean, he had to

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00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: act like I mean that that's the only logical thing.

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Speaker 1: You will hear Brad's story in episode three of Finding

548
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: Chase Masner, where we track him down and grill him

549
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: for over an hour. You'll be surprised at what year,

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00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: Episode three, Finding Chase Masner. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,