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Speaker 3: Welcome everybody who are coming to you from day two

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Speaker 3: of the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. This is Patriots

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Speaker 3: Easy to Enjoy, the official beer sponsor of the New

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Speaker 3: England Patriots. And a lot going on today, Evan. We

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Speaker 3: heard from Elliott Wolfe. We heard from the defensive front seven,

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Speaker 3: a really stacked position group here in this draft class,

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Speaker 3: which I was excited about. Things got a little delayed

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Speaker 3: at times, but otherwise it was pretty smooth sailing. A

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Speaker 3: lot of appealing prospects to take a look at today.

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Speaker 2: Well, you just said it.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've been coming to the combine a little

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Speaker 4: bit now because I'm getting old dudes too, and I

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Speaker 4: haven't seen a delay like that often. And I was

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Speaker 4: thinking to myself, what's going on? And we both were thinking,

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Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, right, there's like one hundred

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Speaker 4: defensive linemani here and so they were trying to crank

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Speaker 4: them all through. I think it's forty two is the

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Speaker 4: exact number. And you know, Elliot Wolf, we're going to

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Speaker 4: get to him in a second. That was right off

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Speaker 4: the bat. You know, one of the things that he

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Speaker 4: said is a strength of this class is the defensive

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Speaker 4: line in the front seven talent. So whether the Patriots

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Speaker 4: addressed early with an Abdul Carter or something like that,

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Speaker 4: or it's later on in the draft, there starter caliber

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Speaker 4: talent at all. Three days of the draft on the

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Speaker 4: defensive front.

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Speaker 3: Pretty exciting. Well, let's not waste any time. Let's get

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Speaker 3: right into Elliot Wolf. He spoke first at the podium

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Speaker 3: and then he came and join us for a brief interview.

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna roll that right now. There'll be plenty

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Speaker 3: to talk about right after all. Right, we're excited to

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Speaker 3: be joined by Elliot Wolf. Now, Elliott, thanks for sitting

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Speaker 3: down with us again, second year in a row.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it. So you just set up with

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Speaker 2: the podium. This is your thirty first combine.

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Speaker 3: I'm just curious, what is a fourteen year old Elliott

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Speaker 3: Wolf doing at the combine?

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Speaker 2: Are you going to Elmo's? Are you timing guys? Forties? Like,

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Speaker 2: what was that experience like for you as a kid. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was really cool.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, obviously having the advantage of my

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Speaker 5: father working in the business like I was. I was

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Speaker 5: the spoiled brat that was running around here kind of

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Speaker 5: to workouts time in forties. As I got a little

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Speaker 5: bit older, I was a sandwich guy. I would go

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Speaker 5: and get everyone sandwiches before they sold food in the dome.

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Speaker 5: So you know, I kind of started at the bottom

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Speaker 5: in that regard. But you know, I recorded the broad

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Speaker 5: Jumps for a number of years. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 5: one year they lost the official recording and I was

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Speaker 5: the only person over there recording the broad Jumps. So

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Speaker 5: I actually actually used my records to get out to

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Speaker 2: So Clarious it's been good. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here we are thirty one years later, right, you know,

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Speaker 3: just generally, how how are things been going? You know,

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Speaker 3: raybel coming in and you you know, kind of merging

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Speaker 3: all that together, the processes and you know, new regime

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been good.

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Speaker 5: So, you know, I didn't I knew Mike a little

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Speaker 5: bit beforehand, you know, bumping into Prote's he was always

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Speaker 5: him until, you know, until the interview process, and it's

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Speaker 5: it's been really good. Like he's so genuine and authentic.

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Speaker 5: He has a vision for the team, none of it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that Evan Grillian because we're already talking about you.

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Speaker 3: Just want to talk prospects with you. Yeah, I'll start

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Speaker 5: Though.

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Speaker 4: Just with free agency, you often hear that you fill

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Speaker 2: Do you adhere to that cliche or whatever you want

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Speaker 5: I mean I think I think it gives you the

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Speaker 5: the more holes you can fill in free agency and

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Speaker 4: When you look at number four. You mentioned up at

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Speaker 4: the podium earlier that not as much clarity. We've kicked

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Speaker 4: this around that last year. We kind of thought quarterback

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Speaker 4: do you see with the number four overall pick in

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think we'll see again. I'm not

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Speaker 5: not sure what way we'll lean again. You know, we

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Speaker 5: have the whole free agency period, trade all these other

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Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 3: How much is it about patients, because I feel like

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Speaker 3: we look at all these big name free agents that

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Speaker 3: you know, how much do you you kind of get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absolutely all about adjusting.

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Speaker 5: I you know, I get off the podcast here that

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Speaker 5: prepared and open and ready to explore everything to improve

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Speaker 4: Obviously, you want to improve the roster everywhere, but there

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Speaker 4: are there a few positions in particular that you look

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Speaker 4: at that say we really need to address these.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think the Lions are the ones

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Speaker 3: Along those lines, we heard from the defense line today.

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Speaker 3: From your perspective, how do you delineate I mean, you

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I think the one thing that coach

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Speaker 5: that's just something that that maybe separates whatever style they are,

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Speaker 3: It's about the player, not the scheme. I mean that

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Speaker 3: that seems we talked to Mike yesterday. She seemed like,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, ultimately, I mean there's you know, there's probably a

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Speaker 5: you know, it's it's about the players, and I feel

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Speaker 5: confident in Mike, you know, not that I've worked with

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Speaker 4: When you look at the market and start talking about

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Speaker 4: what do you see available out there? Do you feel

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Speaker 4: like you guys can address that and maybe bring one

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think I think it's about getting

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Speaker 5: good players. Like I don't know that you know how

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Speaker 5: many players are going to be available that fit the

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Speaker 3: You mentioned some of the depth that I think the

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Speaker 2: I think so. I think it can be tough to

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: Again, it's about you know, the draft isn't judge in

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Speaker 5: one year, but you know, to say that we're not

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Speaker 2: All right, So what's Elliottoll's official stance on arm length?

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Speaker 5: My official stance on arm length is it's a tool,

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Speaker 5: just like any tool that we use to you know, again,

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Speaker 5: it all comes back to the film. So and I

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Speaker 5: know you know Mike said this, but but Coach Belichick

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Speaker 5: when you're writing a scouting report, it's more advantageous, like

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Speaker 5: you can write to the guys good length, but the extension,

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Speaker 5: the punch that he plays with is more important than

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Speaker 5: the actual number.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes sense and just with Travis Hunter. I

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Speaker 4: wanted to ask you about him specifically because I find

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Speaker 4: it so fascinating that it is it almost like evaluating

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Speaker 2: Like, how do you kind of scout him? It is?

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Speaker 5: You know, not to give anything away, but Matt grow

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Speaker 5: actually wrote two separate YEA scouting reports on it when

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Speaker 5: he went to Colorado this year. He has one wide

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Speaker 5: receiver report and one corner report. Now he's the only

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Speaker 3: There, try to match it up, like how would Travis

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Speaker 3: Right, So great stuff from Elliott our second year in row.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's where it starts sore football games are one, folks.

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Speaker 3: So I don't think that they've abandoned all hope on

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Speaker 4: hopefully we can develop a long term solution at some

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Speaker 2: In the draft.

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Speaker 3: The other thing I got to bring up, great question

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean Andrew Berry the Browns GM yesterday, I

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Speaker 2: And it's gonna be so interesting to me.

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Speaker 4: When we talked to Travis Hunter later this week, what's

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Speaker 2: Of the ball.

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Speaker 3: So he's one of two big names to the top

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Speaker 3: The thing I've noticed Evan this being my fifth combine

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so, Jalen Walker I think is a top five

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Speaker 4: The Georgia defensive front, they play a lot of five technique,

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Speaker 3: the Patriots, and as Elliott said, it's it's hard not

439
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Speaker 3: to look at every one of these guys that really

440
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Speaker 3: looks like they're making an impact and say, come come

441
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Speaker 3: to New England.

442
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Speaker 2: We need these kind of guys. Yeah.

443
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Speaker 4: So Shamar Stewart is going to be an unbelievable tester.

444
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Speaker 4: I'm naming all first round picks by these. We can

445
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Speaker 4: get into the that, but he's going to be an

446
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Speaker 4: unbelievable tester. And there are some people, you know, you

447
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Speaker 4: read some of these guys like Dan Brugler and stuff

448
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Speaker 4: like that, that assume that after he works out tomorrow night,

449
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Speaker 4: all of a sudden everybody the top ten buzz is

450
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Speaker 4: going to start and just to go back to tray

451
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Speaker 4: Von Walker for a second, that's this is sort of

452
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Speaker 4: when that started for him.

453
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Speaker 2: Number one overall pick.

454
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Speaker 4: I don't know if Stuart's going to get all the

455
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Speaker 4: way up there, but it just sounds like to me

456
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Speaker 4: that this is going to be a freaky ninety ninth

457
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Speaker 4: percentile combine athlete that everybody's going to be like, holy crap,

458
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Speaker 4: Like why you know, this guy's got an immense ceiling.

459
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Speaker 4: So we'll see what that with scort And he's just

460
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Speaker 4: a ball on fire right.

461
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a state.

462
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Speaker 4: Of power, aggressive downhill, bring your lunch pale, you know,

463
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Speaker 4: type of guy. And that's obviously very attractive too. What

464
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Speaker 4: I like about him as well is that you can

465
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Speaker 4: move him around the defensive front. You know, he's not

466
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Speaker 4: going to be just somebody that plays on the edge.

467
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Speaker 4: I love, you know, the old high tower lineup over

468
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Speaker 4: the guard or center, use your quickness on the inside.

469
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Speaker 2: I think Scorton can do that sort of thing.

470
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Speaker 3: Two more guys I just want to bring up Mike

471
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Speaker 3: Green heard from him as well, and James Pearcere kind

472
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Speaker 3: of guys edge rush types. But again, I think it

473
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Speaker 3: just illustrates the depth of this class and how many

474
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Speaker 3: different options there are even as you get down, you know,

475
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Speaker 3: into the late first round, and maybe, you know, maybe

476
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Speaker 3: that is an option for the Patriots trade back up,

477
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Speaker 3: you know, and try to grab one of these guys.

478
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Speaker 2: It's one question we.

479
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Speaker 3: Didn't get to ask elliott I Gotta make a note task.

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Speaker 2: Him next time.

481
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Speaker 3: But you know, when you have these deep classes like this,

482
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Speaker 3: do you strike early and get the best one of

483
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Speaker 3: the group, or do you say there's a bunch of them,

484
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Speaker 3: we like them all. Yeah, you know, it's just it's

485
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Speaker 3: a hard way to kind of balance things.

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Speaker 4: It is, And I find myself going back and forth

487
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Speaker 4: on it too, because we'll probably get to Mason Graham

488
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Speaker 4: here in a second as well. It's yeah, like those

489
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Speaker 4: are great players at the top, but the drop off

490
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Speaker 4: at tackle or the drop off at wide receiver might

491
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Speaker 4: be a lot bigger from first round to second round.

492
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Speaker 4: So well, Campbell to let's just use names to Arianti

493
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Speaker 4: Ursrie might be a much bigger drop off than Mason

494
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Speaker 4: Graham to you know, one of the guys we've been

495
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Speaker 4: talking about here on the defensive line.

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Speaker 2: So that had some they know you.

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Speaker 4: I do think you have to weigh a little bit

498
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Speaker 4: because they're going to be starters in day two on

499
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Speaker 4: the defensive line. There might not be starters on day

500
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Speaker 4: two on the offensive line, especially at left tackle.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about Mason Graham now, because I think I

502
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Speaker 3: kind of polarizing. I feeling that's that's what it is,

503
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Speaker 3: although I don't differing opinions. Well it's I mean, look,

504
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Speaker 3: he's not he's not key on White. He doesn't have

505
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Speaker 3: the key on white. First off, the bus kind of

506
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Speaker 3: look to him that vibe of like, oh man, this

507
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Speaker 3: is a scary football team coming at us. But anybody

508
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Speaker 3: who watches him knows like he can play. He's a

509
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Speaker 3: fast player. And when you hear what Elliott Wolf is

510
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Speaker 3: saying about what Terrell Williams values, what Mike Rabel values,

511
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Speaker 3: it's about disruption.

512
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Speaker 2: It's about guys who play fast and aggressive.

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Speaker 3: And Mason Graham, even though he might not look at

514
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Speaker 3: when he's standing up there at podium, that's kind of

515
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Speaker 3: what he does. So it's on one hand, it's easy

516
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Speaker 3: to make the case, and on the other hand, you

517
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Speaker 3: look at all these other guys and you're like, yeah,

518
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Speaker 3: but there's other edge guys or other interior guys that

519
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Speaker 3: and I actually I got to take that back because

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Speaker 3: I think he's he's kind of stands alone as far

521
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Speaker 3: as an interior guy, but you know, edge guys off

522
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Speaker 3: the ball, there are some other option later.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think he's he's a really interesting guy that we're

525
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Speaker 3: gonna be talking a lot about these next few months.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when we talk about number four, we always bring

527
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Speaker 4: up blue chip prospects, and some of the people that

528
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Speaker 4: we've talked to here have said that he should be

529
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Speaker 4: considered a blue chip prospect. I was I was kind

530
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Speaker 4: of surprised about that. We have Jordan Reid coming up

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Speaker 4: here later in the week and he feels that way

532
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Speaker 4: about Mason Graham. So he's one of those players that

533
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Speaker 4: if Bill Belichick was still drafting for the Patriots, I

534
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Speaker 4: feel like he would be the guy because he's not

535
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Speaker 4: going to be the first off the bus guy. He's

536
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Speaker 4: not gonna win the combine, he's not gonna do any

537
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Speaker 4: of the flashy things that we kind of get attracted

538
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Speaker 4: to sometimes this time of year. In over eight, frankly

539
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Speaker 4: this time of year a little bit, he's gonna be

540
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Speaker 4: good on tape, and he's gonna be quiet, and he's

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Speaker 4: gonna go about his business and he's gonna work hard

542
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Speaker 4: a lot like Christian Gonzalez or Keon White or somebody

543
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Speaker 4: like that. Now, I don't know if Frabell will you know,

544
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Speaker 4: gravitate towards that same style of player, because I agree

545
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Speaker 4: on film, you know, effort and finish for the two

546
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Speaker 4: big things that they preach with this you know, new regime,

547
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Speaker 4: and he checks both those boxes in spades, like that's

548
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Speaker 4: what his game is all about. But do I look

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Speaker 4: at him and say that's a franchise pillar, a leader

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Speaker 4: of the organization for the next decade, that sort of thing. No,

551
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Speaker 4: But it's also probably unfair to put that on him. Yeah,

552
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Speaker 4: So who else have I missed here today? Anybody else

553
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Speaker 4: that that that we want to talk about? I mean,

554
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Speaker 4: there it is.

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Speaker 3: It is a talented class, and we touched a lot

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Speaker 3: on like the top guys, which, let's face it, maybe

557
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Speaker 3: they get patriots without shot at one of these, one

558
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Speaker 3: of these guys we're talking about, unless they trade down.

559
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Speaker 3: But anyone else I missed or anyone else of this

560
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Speaker 3: group that stands out to you, just a couple of

561
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Speaker 3: the linebackers, I thought, you know, we're really impressive. Jihad

562
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Speaker 3: Campbell from Alabama is a guy that's really fascinating to me.

563
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Speaker 3: I think he's going to be a really good athlete,

564
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Speaker 3: a really good tester here. And he's got great tape,

565
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Speaker 3: but it's streaky, you know, some games is better than others.

566
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Speaker 3: But I think he's got a lot of those same

567
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Speaker 3: Patriots style linebacker trades where he can kind of do

568
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Speaker 3: a little bit of everything.

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Speaker 2: You know he can.

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Speaker 4: He has a size in the in the play strength

571
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Speaker 4: and the speed, the power to play the run and

572
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Speaker 4: fill gaps and come downhill at the line of scrimmage.

573
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Speaker 4: But he can also cover and play in space. He

574
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Speaker 4: can rush the quarterback, he can spy the quarterback. And

575
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Speaker 4: although I understand we're all thinking offense, defensive line wide

576
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Speaker 4: receiver one, all those different type of things, having that

577
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Speaker 4: playmaking linebacker at the second level, I don't know if

578
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Speaker 4: they'd necessarily have that either, right, you know, and somebody

579
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Speaker 4: that can truly go sideline to sideline or chase down

580
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Speaker 4: a mobile quarterback and know when Josh Allen goes to

581
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Speaker 4: scramble and you know now it's first down, so you

582
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Speaker 4: have your run personnel on the field and you're trying

583
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Speaker 4: to get guys that are two hundred and fifty two

584
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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty five pounds to chase down Josh Allen,

585
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Speaker 4: this is a guy that's a really, really good athlete.

586
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Speaker 2: The other one Jeffrey Bossa from Oregon.

587
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Speaker 4: I think that he's another guy that really stood out

588
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Speaker 4: to me at the podium and on film as well

589
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Speaker 4: as a coverage linebacker.

590
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Speaker 2: He used to play safety.

591
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Speaker 4: Now he's going to play linebacker, off ball linebacker in

592
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Speaker 4: the league. He's talking about Fred Warner, of course, is

593
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Speaker 4: kind of like the poster child for that sort of thing.

594
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Speaker 4: And I think if you're looking for somebody that you

595
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Speaker 4: can run the scene and cover two and carry tight

596
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Speaker 4: ends vertical and you all that good stuff, than he's

597
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Speaker 4: somebody like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot coming at us today, but and a

600
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Speaker 3: lot of the draft stuff. So we're, you know, glad

601
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Speaker 3: to share a bunch of that draft stuff the Elliot

602
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Speaker 3: interview as well. But we also had a chance to

603
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Speaker 3: sit down with Mike Rereas of ESPN. Of course that

604
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Speaker 3: needs no introduction. Did the legend out Mike gees himself

605
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Speaker 3: to really just drill down on some of the Patriots stuff,

606
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Speaker 3: So you check out that interview right here. All right,

607
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Speaker 3: we're excited to be joined by Mike Greasi ESPN. Mike,

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Speaker 3: thanks for sitting down with us here at the Commine.

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Speaker 6: Mike Evan, great to be da.

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Speaker 2: No introduction, I know it needs no introduction.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I said, it might have been like back the

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Speaker 3: old blogger podcast days, the last time we had like

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Speaker 3: you for a one on one conversation.

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Speaker 2: So thank you for that back in the day. Uh.

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Speaker 3: But just to start off, Mike, you know, I know

616
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Speaker 3: you covered Mike Rabel for a long time as a player.

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Speaker 3: What have you seen from him in the first few

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Speaker 3: months here as a coach?

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Speaker 6: So I feel like a lot of energy, a lot

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Speaker 6: of clear vision on what he wants to do, and

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Speaker 6: I think the experience stands out to me. This is

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Speaker 6: someone that's done it before, knows the steps to take,

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Speaker 6: and it's been sort of refreshing. It's the word that

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Speaker 6: I would use.

625
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Speaker 3: Yeah, was what was your experience like just covering him

626
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Speaker 3: as a player. I mean a lot of reporters have

627
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Speaker 3: great stories about covering Mike Rabel.

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Speaker 2: But what was it like for you?

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Speaker 6: So let's start with where his spot was in the

630
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Speaker 6: locker room right, because that's the first thing that I

631
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Speaker 6: think about, is when we would all be gathered around.

632
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Speaker 6: So he would have been where Christian Ellis is. So

633
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Speaker 6: for those who are listening or watching this, this is

634
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Speaker 6: down close to where Teddy Bruski used to be. That's

635
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Speaker 6: the corner locker going into like the.

636
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Speaker 2: Meeting room right where Jawan Bentley is.

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Speaker 6: Jawan Bentley in that area. So and we would gather

638
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Speaker 6: around and you had to be, let's see, not sensitive

639
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Speaker 6: when you were gathered around Mike Rabel. You had to

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Speaker 6: be ready for the quick wit. And I would say,

641
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Speaker 6: not much has changed now that we're back to and

642
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Speaker 6: he's the coach.

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Speaker 4: It's absolutely true. I one of the things I was

644
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Speaker 4: wondering with Rabel here. Obviously they have all this space.

645
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Speaker 4: They had a lot of caps based last off season.

646
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Speaker 4: We saw how that went, you know, trying to attract

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Speaker 4: free agents to come here. In your experience knowing Mike,

648
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Speaker 4: do you feel like he can be a great recruiter

649
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Speaker 4: of some of the talent that maybe is out there

650
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Speaker 4: and try to sway people to actually come to New England,

651
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Speaker 4: Because I, let's face it right now, I think being

652
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Speaker 4: a destination is something they're struggling with a little bit.

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Speaker 6: So I do think he can be that, and for

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Speaker 6: those that are watching us, we should let them know that.

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Speaker 6: The last question that Mike took in our gathering after

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Speaker 6: the press conference on Tuesday was Evan talking about being

657
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Speaker 6: a recruiter, and Mike told the story I don't know

658
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Speaker 6: if he told it when he was on with you

659
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Speaker 6: guys about how he was at Houston and Houston had

660
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 6: some natural grass in their dome and Mike Rabel, who's

661
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 6: an assistant coach, says to Bill O'Brien, what do you

662
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 6: have this natural grass? And the dome for Bill O'Brien goes,

663
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Speaker 6: I think it'd be great for recruiting free agents, and

664
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,360
Speaker 6: Rabel says to Bill O'Brien, the only green that free

665
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 6: agents care about is the cash. So I think the

666
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 6: cash is to use that story, the cash is the

667
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 6: great recruiter. But in a tiebreaker, Mike Rabel can be

668
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 6: a great salesperson. Yeah, and I think it's genuine Evan, Yeah,

669
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 6: like I do think it's genuine.

670
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that that was one of the takeaways

671
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 4: that I had just listening to him talk. If you

672
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 4: are looking for that tie breaker. This is an intense guy,

673
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 4: and this is a guy that you could see yourself

674
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Speaker 4: as an athlete playing for. And not to say that

675
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 4: other coaches couldn't maybe do the same thing, but there's

676
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 4: just between him and really Drake May Like I feel

677
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 4: like those are the two things in money obviously that

678
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 4: they have going for them right now. So it's been

679
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 4: interesting to see, you know, how he can kind of

680
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 4: talk and has that gravitas and a little bit of that,

681
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 4: you know, just appeal from a player perspective.

682
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 6: And I think the other thing, if it works out

683
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 6: in the Patriots favor, that they have going for them

684
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 6: is the culture that he had established in Tennessee. So

685
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 6: if players hear about that and that like so Taylor Lawan, right, like,

686
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 6: I'm sure you followed him on X and and and

687
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 6: his stories about that. Will Compton, right am, I correct

688
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 6: me if I slip up here. These are players that

689
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 6: had experienced it, that are out there in the public,

690
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 6: you know, talking about what they got out of it,

691
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 6: even if they might have been a little skeptical at

692
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 6: the start, right, And so that can also be something

693
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 6: a player that wants to be part of that culture.

694
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 6: How about for us, like I know with Mike, I

695
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 6: better be sharp when I'm coming out better are my

696
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 6: questions ready?

697
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? You know.

698
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 6: Like so, just as it's like raising hopefully raising your

699
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 6: game as a reporter someone covering the team, you want

700
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 6: to raise your game as a player like this guy.

701
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 6: This might be a guy you want to align with.

702
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 3: Yea, Mike. We get so caught up in free agency

703
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 3: coming up and T Higgins and Ronnie Stanley and the

704
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 3: big names, and then you slowly start to heal and

705
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 3: all these guys are going to resign or you know,

706
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 3: and then you talk about the draft, and we talk

707
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 3: about Abdul Carter and you know, there's just a lot

708
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 3: of name that you get excited about.

709
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: But throwing all the names apart.

710
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: What does this Patriots team need? I mean, what do

711
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 3: they need to add personnel wise, whether it's free agency,

712
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 3: the draft. When you get out of the spring, what

713
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 3: do you want to see this team pick up?

714
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 6: Well? I feel like the line of scrimmage would be

715
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 6: where I would start if you and and if Ronnie

716
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 6: Stanley comes available to me, Evan, we were talking about

717
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 6: this like that would be a great one to just say,

718
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 6: oh bam, left tackle squared away taken care of and

719
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 6: I thought one of the things Mike said that I

720
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 6: liked that I agree with the Super Bowl was one

721
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 6: at the line of scrimmage. I think the Patriots are

722
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 6: weak at the line of scrimmage right now, and that's

723
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 6: where I would start.

724
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Speaker 4: Yeah. He mentioned too that they wanted to try to

725
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 4: use free agency so that they can get to the

726
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 4: draft and just take the best player available, not have

727
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 4: to necessarily reach on a player like that. We talked

728
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 4: a little bit about Ronnie Stanley last night and him

729
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 4: potentially being available. I think the Ravens are obviously interested

730
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 4: in keeping him, so see where that goes. Just do

731
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 4: you have a sense at all though of you know,

732
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 4: some of the names that might actually get to free

733
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 4: agency that you would be interested in.

734
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Speaker 6: So Ronnie Stanley would be at the top of my list.

735
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 6: Milton Williams would be another. I think the thing on

736
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 6: that is, what is the number right? Well, would it

737
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 6: go over Christian Barmore? Should it go over Christian Barmore,

738
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 6: that would be the next one on my list. I

739
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 6: don't still still considering Josh Sweat and if that would

740
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Speaker 6: be a fit, to be honest, even at the lower

741
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 6: financial level, I mean, would you consider judon coming back.

742
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Speaker 6: You know, I'm not saying I would, but like just

743
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 6: names like that that I've thought about and pretty much

744
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 6: almost everyone is at the line of scrimmage. Another one

745
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 6: I'd like Steph I like Stefan Diggs. I've always been

746
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 6: a Digs fan. I don't know what the financial level

747
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 6: on that would be, but I'd consider looking into that

748
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 6: one myself.

749
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Speaker 3: What about when you look internally at this team and

750
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: we verybel got some questions today about scheme changes and

751
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 3: all those kinds of things. But you know, do you

752
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 3: look at this team as it is right now? And

753
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: he said it today, he said, the team's going to

754
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: look very different at the end of August. Do you

755
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 3: think that there's some maneuvering to be done on the

756
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 3: roster the guys that are already here, guys that are

757
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 3: under contract, meaning that they might not be around perhaps perhaps,

758
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I think any you know, coach

759
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: comes in, he's got to adjust things. And certainly a

760
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 3: lot of those players connect back to Bill and you

761
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 3: would think, like tough, you know, versatile players, everybody's kind

762
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 3: of in the market for those. But at the same time,

763
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: Mike's got his own philosophies that he's gonna come in with.

764
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 3: And I'm just I don't think anything needs to happen immediately,

765
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 3: but it feels like they really need to take inventory

766
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 3: of who we have and who are the guys that

767
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: we're going to move forward with I think so, and

768
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 3: also how they're going to play. So applying this conversation,

769
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 3: one thing Mike Vrabel said that stood out to me.

770
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 3: Terrell Williams is a very aggressive defensive coach. So when

771
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,959
Speaker 3: I hear that, well, the defense is going to be

772
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 3: playing differently than it has in the past. So what

773
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: does that mean for Dietrich wise free agent? What does

774
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,479
Speaker 3: that mean for Jonathan Jones?

775
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 6: Mike, we're able to talk about how important the nickel

776
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 6: position is in today's game, Like, is.

777
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: That Marcus Jones?

778
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 6: Marcus Jones? Is it Jonathan Jones? Is it someone else?

779
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 6: Maybe it's it's I'm not saying DJ Reid would be

780
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 6: a slot, but does that make a corner? You know,

781
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 6: if some of your other options in free agency that

782
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 6: maybe are at the line on the lines don't work out,

783
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 6: maybe you redirect the money. So I think that's what

784
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 6: that's where my mind is racing, is how they'll play

785
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 6: differently on defense. I think offensively, they just need players

786
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 6: no matter what the scheme is. If that makes sense.

787
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that that Nickels spot is interesting because

788
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 4: I think a lot of teams nowadays are going to

789
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 4: more like safety body types in the nickel instead of

790
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 4: true corners. Because with all these like Shanahan inspired offenses,

791
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 4: you have the wide zone teams going outside the numbers

792
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 4: and trying to run to the numbers. And if you're

793
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 4: gonna do that, like you need to set the edge

794
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 4: of the defense and force the ball back inside. So

795
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 4: instead of having you know, guy like Jonathan Jones or

796
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 4: Marcus Jones who's undersize and isn't really going to be

797
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 4: able to do that, you have more like CJ. Gardner

798
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 4: Johnson types that can actually push the ball back inside

799
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 4: to the defense. So when he says nickel and he

800
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 4: starts talking about, you know, the importance.

801
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: Of is that guy a good blitzer?

802
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 4: You know? Is that guy you know can he do

803
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 4: different things?

804
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: Can he cover?

805
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 4: But can he do other things? That's sort of the

806
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 4: thing I was thinking about a little bit was Okay,

807
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 4: you know five foot eight Marcus Jones, five foot nine

808
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 4: Jonathan Jones, is that really what he's looking for in

809
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 4: that spot?

810
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 6: Really really good discussion.

811
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, Marty Mapu too, not necessarily in that role, but

812
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: just another guy who's been kind of, I don't want

813
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 3: to say miscast, but you haven't really found a home

814
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 3: for him yet. And he came out of nowhere last year.

815
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: That first game back played like the whole game, We're like,

816
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: where's this guy been? And I mean tapered off a

817
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: little bit. I don't, you know, but I wonder if

818
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 3: there's a different spot for him when we talk about

819
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: maybe linebacker position getting more mobile. When you look at

820
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: what they did in Tennessee. Yeah, just a lot of questions.

821
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: I mean that's the thing with Mike. He yes, he

822
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 3: played under Belichick here, never really coached under Belichick, worked

823
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: a lot with Romeo Crenell and Dean Ps and guys

824
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: off of that tree. Still kind of did his own

825
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: thing in Tennessee. And I think that's like our question,

826
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 3: which we you know, we'd asked him a little bit

827
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: about it.

828
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: He didn't really get into it too much.

829
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: But how's it going to change?

830
00:32:59,000 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: How's it going to evolve?

831
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: And I think, as you said, that defense just seems

832
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 3: like it's a like a piece of clay right now,

833
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 3: and that they're gonna have to mold it into something different.

834
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: And I love to.

835
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 6: Take viewers and listeners inside, right, So just sort of

836
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 6: on the same topic, but different topic. One of the

837
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 6: thoughts I came into this combine with was will Verrabel

838
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 6: commit to Mike Owenhu at guard or tackle? So we

839
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 6: remember Bill Belichick, he's a guard, like that's where his

840
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,719
Speaker 6: body type is. I do think there's some people in

841
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 6: the front office that say, oh, a win is not

842
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 6: bad at tackle, Like if you look at some of

843
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 6: the PFF numbers, you know, they're they're sort of stack

844
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 6: up pretty good at tackle. And I don't know if

845
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 6: that's actually true. Evan, you might be able to confirm that.

846
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 6: But so today I'm well, let me take a try,

847
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 6: you know, I mean, I'm used to this with Bill Belichick.

848
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 6: I mean, I know the answer is probably gonna be, Oh, Mike,

849
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 6: it's you know, it's February, just twenty to get the

850
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 6: best twenty fifth. I mean, next time we play a

851
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 6: game in September, let you know, let's see how Mike

852
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 6: might answer it. And that one got swatted down pretty good, right,

853
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 6: But but he did say. I had a good conversation

854
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 6: with Mike ah Win.

855
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 3: WHU.

856
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, seems like he wants to, you know, we can

857
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 6: improve on some things and work on, you know, being

858
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 6: part of this. So it was just sort of interesting

859
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 6: right when we talk about how things are changing scheme wise,

860
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 6: media wise. But took a stab at that one.

861
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, on Wny, I feel like the best thing for

862
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 4: him is to play him at guard, and right now,

863
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 4: I feel like he's been a decent right tackle for

864
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 4: what else they've had on the roster right and that's

865
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 4: not necessarily what's best for him, but it might have

866
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 4: been what was best for the Patriots in that moment

867
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 4: in time. But every time they kind of play some

868
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 4: of those higher level pass rushers, he's had some issues

869
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 4: playing outside. I remember a couple of years ago, Khalil

870
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 4: Mack just had a monster game with him playing at

871
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 4: right tackle, one of the worst games I've seen on

872
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 4: when who play as a Patriot. And I just feel

873
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 4: like he's better suited at guard. But like all these

874
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 4: conversations about roster and you know, brings me to the

875
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 4: next question, which is who has final say on this roster?

876
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 4: Because Rabel was asked point blank who has final say today?

877
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 4: And he kind of deflected on it, I felt like,

878
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 4: and he didn't really give a straight answer.

879
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 6: Definitely one one last thing on a winner before answering

880
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 6: that is the thought. My thought was, well, if he

881
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 6: would commit to him at tackle is Trey Smith? Now

882
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 6: you know you want to start, you want to start

883
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 6: getting quality starters in there. But I'm with you, Evan,

884
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 6: like I think guard guard would be the ideal scenario.

885
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 6: Who has final say? So, here's what I believe contractually, like,

886
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 6: what is a written on the paper? Elliott Wolf has

887
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 6: the final say. That is what he had signed on

888
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 6: this contract last year, is what I understand. However, Mike

889
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 6: Rabel being hired as coach, comes in and is probably

890
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 6: not going to take that job if he doesn't have

891
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 6: assurances that he's going to have players that he doesn't want, right,

892
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 6: And so I think there's a little bit of nuance

893
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 6: to this where if Elliott wanted to put his foot

894
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 6: down and said, no, you know, we're taking this guy

895
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 6: because I think he's the best and I don't care

896
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 6: that you don't want him, and this is the way

897
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 6: it's gonna be. I don't believe that that's gonna that

898
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 6: marriage would I don't think that's what Elliott would do.

899
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 6: But if that's what we're if we're gonna go by

900
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 6: the letter of the law like it, Elliott would probably

901
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 6: not be around much longer, would be my take. So

902
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 6: I think they'll work it out. Technically it's Elliott, but

903
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 6: I do believe it'll be significantly influenced by what Mike wants.

904
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 6: Does that make sense?

905
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 4: It makes sense?

906
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: Uh, last one for me, Mike, just you know, thoughts

907
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 3: on the draft. Here we are at the combine again

908
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 3: to look at some of these guys. I know at four,

909
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: said a couple of times at three. It felt like

910
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 3: last year pretty straightforward. We know they're probably gonna take

911
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: a quarterback. Four feels like, you know, there's a couple

912
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 3: guys Carter Hunter they got through. You'd probably slam dunk them.

913
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 3: But otherwise it gets to be kind of curious, not

914
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: sure which way can we trade down and maximize and

915
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 3: not overdraft any buddy. And it seems like those are

916
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: the conversations we're having this year.

917
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, what I look for as a reporter, i'mlike, I

918
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 6: feel like Evan's studied a lot more than me. Mike,

919
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 6: you probably studied it a little bit more than me.

920
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: Is you just look for.

921
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 6: Consensus among people that have studied it, and I don't

922
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 6: sense it outside of Carter and Hunter. Yeah, and it

923
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 6: makes me think, quite honestly, is that winning that last

924
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 6: game really hurt this franchise? Just to be honest, Yeah,

925
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 6: you know, And so is there a way that maybe

926
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 6: between now in the draft, those quarterbacks start to how

927
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 6: we view them now changes and two of them end

928
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 6: up within the first three picks I think would be

929
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 6: the best scenario for the Patriots, and then you just

930
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 6: take the other guy, Carter Hunter, right, And so that

931
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 6: that's probably my big picture takeaway right now in the draft.

932
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a tough one because you know, I think

933
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 4: the next two best prospects are probably Mason Graham and

934
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 4: Will Campbell. But both of those guys have some flaws

935
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 4: to their games that don't make them quite that high

936
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 4: level will prospect, you know, Like the name it always

937
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 4: gets thrown around to me with defensive tackles is like

938
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 4: Quinn Williams when he came out, he was a sure fired.

939
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 4: This guy is gonna, yeah, gonna be like a decade

940
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 4: long Hall of Fame level talent in the league. I

941
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 4: don't think Mason Graham quite is at that level, whereas

942
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 4: I don't think Campbell's quite at Jolt's level in terms

943
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 4: of the tackle position. So it is a little bit

944
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 4: of a down year. When we talked to Elliott Wolf tomorrow,

945
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 4: I'm hoping to ask him about that and say, you know,

946
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 4: do you feel the same way, because I think that's

947
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 4: what a lot of the experts are saying right now,

948
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 4: is like the four to twelve range is not a

949
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 4: great place to be in this year's draft. And that's,

950
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 4: of course where right where the Patriots are. So before

951
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 4: we let you go, I'm gonna put you a little

952
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 4: bit on the spot here. Is there anything we haven't

953
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 4: asked you, any any scoops, any micro res info that

954
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 4: you can share with us.

955
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 6: Well, so good. I love this on the draft. So

956
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 6: let's say let's say the two quarterbacks don't go, you know,

957
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 6: within the first three picks, and the team wants to

958
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 6: come up for it. I think given the whole discussion

959
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 6: we've had, the idea of moving back and getting another

960
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 6: one for next year, like I would, I would probably

961
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 6: endorse that today as a good move for the organization.

962
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 6: So that's sort of the big picture on that and

963
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 6: other stuff here in terms of scoops or not scoops,

964
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 6: but just stuff around around the Patriots trying to think

965
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 6: Alex Austen's won, like I want to hear about because

966
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 6: we saw that Jerem. I mean, this is we're going deep,

967
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 6: but we go you know, Jeremiah Farms signed the two

968
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 6: year as the exclusive rights free agent, which basically was

969
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 6: him giving up the restricted free agent year next year.

970
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 6: I want, I'm curious what Alex is going to do,

971
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 6: and I think there's probably some discussion there as to

972
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 6: how to handle that. Does he just want to take

973
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 6: this year as an exclusive rights free agent and roll

974
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 6: it into restricted free agency or could they somehow reach

975
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 6: something that maybe is in the middle where he's willing

976
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 6: to give up restricted free agency become unrestricted a couple

977
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 6: years from because I think fairly promising player.

978
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: It could be a.

979
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 3: Thought he came on at the end last year.

980
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: I mean a little bit of a decision to make.

981
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 3: Maybe with Jonathan Jones as a free agent, and you know,

982
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 3: Austin can maybe plan the outside a little bit.

983
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like we've been clamoring for size opposite Gonzales,

984
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 4: right because somebody that can actually play full time on

985
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 4: the perimeter. And I think he's done a nice job

986
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 4: when given the opportunities and when healthy and all that

987
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 4: kind of stuff. And you know, we're abel talked about

988
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 4: let's not go to the draft with all these needs,

989
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 4: and if they don't bring Austin back and they don't

990
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 4: bring Jonathan Jones back, now, all of a sudden, perimeter

991
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 4: corners is a pretty big need, and so I have

992
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 4: another need to fill, right, And so that that's a

993
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 4: tough one to be in. That's a good one.

994
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 6: And another thing that he said that I particularly liked

995
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 6: was on Sirius XM NFL Radio. We talked about last

996
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 6: year's draft class. And I think because outside of Drake,

997
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 6: you didn't get much from the draft class. Is that

998
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 6: fair to say? And I think we have a tendency,

999
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 6: or at least I do, to just write those players

1000
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 6: off Jalen Polk, Caden Wallace, Javon Baker, Leyden Robinson probably

1001
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 6: to a lesser let me gave you something, but well

1002
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 6: he talked to He used the word revitalizing that draft class,

1003
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 6: and I do think there's something to that, like did

1004
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 6: they just draft bad players or was there something that happened,

1005
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 6: and Vrabel talking about how he spoke to those players

1006
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 6: and said, we hear about the sophomore slump, but let's

1007
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 6: call this the freshman fifteen. Yeah, and you know, and

1008
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 6: I thought that was really good because so much it's

1009
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 6: not You don't just draft a player and that player

1010
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 6: is great in your system. You draft them and develop them.

1011
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 6: And so I think what he's talking about I believe

1012
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 6: in and I want to see how they do it.

1013
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely great stuff.

1014
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 3: Well, Mike Grease, thanks for joining us.

1015
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 6: Mike, great to be here.

1016
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: Guys. All right, Well, I think that's going to wrap

1017
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: up day two. I guess these days are going to

1018
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,959
Speaker 3: start to blend together a little bit. But we got

1019
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: cornerbacks safeties on tap tomorrow will finish out the defensive

1020
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 3: side of the ball.

1021
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: Anything you're looking forward tomorrow.

1022
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 3: Not huge positions in need, but I think he always

1023
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 3: could be in the market for a cornerback, right, Yeah.

1024
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 3: I mean, like Traves Hunter is going to talk so

1025
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 3: that that in itself is going to be worth the

1026
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: price of admission.

1027
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: And I mean, this is such a unique player.

1028
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 4: And I just come back to what Elliott said about

1029
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 4: the Patriots writing up two separate reports about him one

1030
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 4: at corner at one receiver. I've never seen anything like

1031
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 4: that or heard of anything like that before, so fascinated

1032
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 4: to see when he gets to the podium.

1033
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: What position does he want to play?

1034
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 4: He's gonna get grilled about it, right, And does he

1035
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 4: say I want to play both ways? Don't draft me

1036
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 4: unless you're gonna play me both ways? Or is he

1037
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 4: gonna favor one.

1038
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 6: Position or the other?

1039
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: Well, Travis Hunter Thursday coming up tomorrow. Of course, we'll

1040
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: be back here with the podcast to get you guys

1041
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: caught up with everything that goes down here at the

1042
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 3: Scott to Combin