1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and Michael Colin, And I've 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: heard radio podcast is everyone voting for the People's choice word? 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: If I vote today, Let's get on it, because here's 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: the thing. Yes, mamma, do you want to do a party? 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: You and your party? I love throwing a party. I 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: love a party. Do you want to have a party 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: for the People's choice nomination? Danielle and I have some 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: things up our sleeve? And what do you think? I 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: love that I'm asking on the air, because how can 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: you say no? We should do a co party with 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: the scrubbing in Michael No. I was so excited to 12 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: just even be like again nominated and with them. I 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: love both those girls so much much fun. I think 14 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: we have we have the party in Nashville because both 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: those girls want to go. And I've been texting both 16 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: those girls like crazy to how much fun would that be? Seriously, 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: because honestly with me, literally I've been talking to both 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: for those girls this past week, like I'm like, oh 19 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: my god, I love you, congrat some gonna love you 20 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: congrat like and then we're like, let's do a Nashville trip, 21 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: all right, an l a party in the Nashville party. 22 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: Well then if you are, of course you are. We 23 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: got time those shows not till November, that's true. We 24 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: can do a party in September. Yeah, we could do that. Yeah, 25 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: all right, Daniel and I are on it. We can 26 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: also do a party in October, November, where December or 27 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: January that's after to everyone's in, keep on, keep them, 28 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: keep them coming. So we can have another party in 29 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: December January to celebrate then winning again. Getting older. Yeah, 30 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: but here's the thing though, it's not I don't feel 31 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: like Dak Shepherd's people vote. It's like it's the Bachelor 32 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: nation that votes because it was you know what I mean, 33 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: I really do. But who knows. We'll see you got 34 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: anything you want to talk to me about there? Let 35 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: me answer this if you well, I don't think we've 36 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: ever touched on this. If there's one thing that you'd 37 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: want to do in your life that you've always kind 38 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: of thought like answer in another life, and I'm gonna 39 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna actually gonna make this more difficult for you 40 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: because I know you're going to is gonna be I 41 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: wanted to be an anchor women. Well, that's like my 42 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: third thing on my list. Okay, why do you say 43 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: like that, I want a women because and then like 44 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: the home videos that you show me when you're like twelve, 45 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: that's how you're sitting. I'm Janna Freemer recording Lifeless News. 46 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: Pretty much that. Um, so, what is it that you 47 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: would like to do or would want to do in 48 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: a different life. What do you think it's going to 49 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: be besides um an in person? Well, then you kind 50 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: of live in your dream because you're an younger person. 51 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,119 Speaker 1: For extra, extra extra, you're gonna see Jana on your 52 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: hotel room TVs. Hey, guys, I booted Mario Lopez out. 53 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm Janna Kramer, Janna Kramer this week on demand puppy pause. 54 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: Um yeah, so what would you want to do? I 55 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: just guess the anchor UM Eastern give me a good guess. 56 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: This is I like to play the guests and game. 57 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: I like to play games. I want to play more 58 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: games on the show. Like, what what have you always 59 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: wanted to do? Like a pipe dream? Like, uh, let's see, 60 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: I could see Jannah being like a secret agent, martial 61 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: arts expert, that kind of thing, like a black widow type. 62 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: I like that. Um okay, so my number one would be, well, 63 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: what I've always wanted, because that's what I've always wanted 64 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: to do, right, Yeah, just something that you you've always 65 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: kind of been drawn to, but your life went in 66 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: a different direction. But yeah, what would you want to do? 67 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna change your question a 68 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: little bit, and I'm gonna I'm gonna say what I 69 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: would have, what I still would love to accomplish in 70 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: this lifetime. Not the question. Yeah, it is not a question. Okay, fine, 71 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: So I'll answer your question and I'll answer mine. So 72 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: what I would want to do in another lifetime. I 73 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: would want to go into politics, and I would want 74 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: to be a political figure because I loved current events 75 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: in um, you know how people get like like House 76 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: of Cards, people are like scared of you know. Characters 77 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: like Robin would be my Janna would be the real 78 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: life like Robin White, Robin Robin, Right, Yeah, that would 79 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: be my dream. Like would you want to be a 80 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: mayor of the city or would you want to be 81 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: I would want to run. I would want to go 82 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,799 Speaker 1: because I loved politics when I was in high school, 83 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: I loved it so much. So, I mean I I 84 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: did extra credit homework, so that my UM homework us 85 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: in my current events class, they still use my like 86 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: extra credit project. I did just because I even just 87 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: wanted to come in and talk all about George Bush 88 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: and so, Um, I was so excited because I got 89 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: I won the trip to go to the capital, and 90 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: I was living my best life, just like being in 91 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: the capital, being in that room. It was just maybe 92 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: we passed each other on a field trip back then. 93 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: Maybe you were in the senior in high school. I 94 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: was graduating sixth grade. Yeah, but in this lifetime, though, 95 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: it would be Um, I've I would love to go 96 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: to college and get a degree in UM psychology. I 97 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: would actually love to get a degree in psychology too. Well, 98 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: you can't take mine. No, I took a couple of 99 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: psychology classes in college, and I wish I would have 100 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: focused on that. Yeah, but that's awesome, Michael, what's yours now? 101 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: And then in another life, since I did too, since 102 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: I added my question into this one, Um, in another life, 103 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: actually applings there since he made fun of mine, Since 104 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: you made fun of mine, just called me Carl Winslow. Um, Yeah, 105 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: I mean, after this numerous time, it's probably even on here. 106 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: I'll probably even say it later today because we have 107 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: an amazing guest who has a background in military and 108 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: special ops. But I've always been drawn to law enforcement 109 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: and not just being a cop. But fbi CI just 110 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: something like that, you still can I'm thirty two? Does 111 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: that matter? It's like you like are like sixty when 112 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: you say it's like I can't take up piano, I'm 113 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: thirty two, Like that's no, that's not true. Just think 114 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: about where you could be at a Dixie too. You 115 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: know you're not sixty, You're not dying. You're thirty two 116 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: years old. Okay, I'm gonna quit everything we're doing and 117 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go be a secret what you want to do? Okay, 118 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: I I think I said this before too. That ship 119 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: has sailed because all of our ship is out there. 120 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: That doesn't That's not gonna mean that you're not gonna 121 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: be able to do sweat because the undercover agent though, 122 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: well anyways, so that But then, honestly, when I was 123 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: a kid, besides I've wanted to play in the felt 124 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 1: since I was like four. But besides that, in law enforcement, 125 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: I always thought I'd be a really good teacher, like 126 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: I love to teach and I wanted to teach either 127 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: late elementary school or late high school. Elementary school like 128 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: fifth grade, like fifth sixth grade, or late high school. 129 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: Probably late high school. But I just I don't know. 130 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: I just always thought I would enjoy teaching. I would 131 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: be a good teacher. Not middle school, because all those 132 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: kids are well sixth grades middle school in some in 133 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: some places, that's why I was, well, where I come from, 134 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: is it really one through six, seven eight middle interesting? 135 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: That's the normal way. I don't know if you if 136 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: I see you being so, you actually see you being 137 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: more of a middle than elementary and high. My patients 138 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: could not handle middle schoolers, but yet you can handle 139 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: fourth and fifth graders because because their fourth and fifth 140 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: graders there, you're still partly cute. Seventh and eighth graders. 141 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: We all went to middle school. That's the worst time ever. 142 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: Everyone's a head. Everyone sucks and stinks. Middle school sucks 143 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: and stinks, and everyone's stinky and they don't really know 144 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: it yet. So people aren't really putting on either they're 145 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: not putting on perfume, cologn or deodorant, or to put 146 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: on too much. I think you, because I don't, you're 147 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: not good with the cockiness, and you're not good with 148 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: the shyness cockiness like if a kid was being yeah 149 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: grade yeah, but I have a way to break through that. 150 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: And what would you want to teach? What subject? When? 151 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: When I had this dream, I wouldn't be a history teacher? History? Interesting? 152 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: So who won the Battle of Gettysburg? Your mom, Michael, No, 153 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna quiz your history nous in school history and 154 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: social sides? Was like my favorite? Who won the Battle 155 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: of Gatlinburg? Gatlinburg? I don't know, do you you're the 156 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: history teacher? Let me get some O. When did when 157 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: did um Columbus sail around the world? And what did 158 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: he realize that he's not alone and that all made 159 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: up answers, foes and the right answer? I see? I 160 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: mean I could have said, kay, I would have known 161 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: that the bat with him Um finally keeping check at him. 162 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: I see. Actually it wasn't too far off. I did 163 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: say when was the pilgrimage? Looks sick brush and is relevant? 164 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: Because he said you wanted to be a history teacher? 165 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: What history are you talking about? Anyway? I'm just this 166 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: wasn't my dream. Now, this was a different lifetime, but 167 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: you still have to have some knowledge like I have 168 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: knowledge in mine were yours? Again, I don't know it's 169 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: give any more. Okay, Well, I'm really excited because I 170 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: just heard that our special litterally literally our special guest 171 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: is here. So um, let's take a quick break and 172 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: then we're going to intro our guests. I know Michael 173 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: and I both can say that this is probably going 174 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: to be one of the coolest interviews as we've had 175 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: one like this yet, and no offense to our other 176 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: guests was we love all of our guests, but this 177 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: is just something that's I'm so excited because it's very 178 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: um how do I say, very relevant topic that we've 179 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: been discussing the house and um, you know, our guest 180 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: has been through a lot, so I'm excited talk about 181 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: the journey. But then also the things that we want 182 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: to know more about be safe too. Okay, Michael, I'll 183 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: give you the let's welcome before I give the elevator pitch. 184 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: Mr Aaron Cohen, alright, elevator pitch here, elevator pitch. I'm 185 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: gonna go to my nets just so I don't mess 186 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: anything up. Aaron is a former Spec Ops commando of 187 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: turned bodyguard turned actor Little Mr. Everything. The age eighteen, 188 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: you're volunteered and selected to serve in the dubbed an 189 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: the Secret Israeli Commander Unit operating undercover and in disguise 190 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: inside Palestinian territory, which was designated to infiltrate terrorist cells. 191 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: So you've done everything, So you're just a you're a 192 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: you're a badass. Yeah, I love it? Where it? I mean, 193 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: this is something, Mike, I mean, this is what um so. 194 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: I was in the unit that dresses up as Arabs 195 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 1: to go undercover to kidnap terrorists to bring them back 196 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: to Israel. Wait say that you dressed show. There's a 197 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: show on Netflix called Felda. Felda is blowing up. It's 198 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: in its third season, I think, right, and it's the 199 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: unit that specializes in dressing up as Arabs for the 200 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: purpose of infiltrating terrorists neighborhoods to kidnap terrorists to bring 201 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: them back to Israel for trial and interrogation. So in 202 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: the first American to ever serve in the unit. And 203 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: there's a show on Netflix called Falada, which is like 204 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: with Leo Roz. Yeah, totally blowing up right now you 205 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: get a picture of it. There and uh, it's the 206 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: the number one show on Netflix right now and the 207 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: reason why is because it's in Hebrew and Arabic and 208 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: all the Arabs that hate Israel love the show because 209 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 1: finally like getting to see behind the curb a little bit. 210 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 1: So um, yeah, I did that for seven years. That's fast. 211 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: That was like your dream, wasn't it, Mike, Well, just 212 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: I've always been I'm have a sports background, played professionally 213 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But my biggest thing, like, once 214 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: I retired, I even thought about doing law enforcement, because 215 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: that's just been That's one of those pipe dreams for me. 216 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: I've always wanted to serve in some kind of law enforcement. 217 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, but the but here's so I was all 218 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: for it. I was like, babe, go. He even went 219 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: to the to the what's that called you're you're a 220 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: former football player? The fantastic so but he was like, well, babies, 221 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: like the kind of law enforcement I would want to 222 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: do is like I would want to be the ones 223 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: like breaking down the doors and like yeah, like I 224 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: like I told her there's this unit in Nashville where 225 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: we're living at the time, and now we're back there 226 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: and I don't remember the name of it, but it 227 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: was basically the squad that kind of does all the 228 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: you know, the down and dirty stuff. That was my 229 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: next job. I spent the last fifteen years training SWAN 230 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: teams in the Israeli methodology of Active Shooter Response and 231 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: uh c QB or Forced Entry for High Risk Warrant 232 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: Service and hostage Rescue. Do you have a family? I do? 233 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: Was your wife terrified? My fiance I met after the 234 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: military in my career. She still is kind of terrified 235 00:13:58,440 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: with the stuff I do. But she likes all the 236 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: acting stuff now. But I think she likes the more 237 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: badass stuff, do you know what I mean. She's like, 238 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: she's like, Hollywood's cool, Like she loves the Hollywood stuff. 239 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: I hate the Hollywood stuff. I like working in films 240 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: because it's so much more fun. Like I'm like blanks 241 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: versus bullets. It's like the blanks, um. But she likes 242 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: me because of the real stuff, because she knows the 243 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: Hollywood stuff is nonsense. And do you know what I mean? 244 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: I feel safer with me because of the fact that 245 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: I'm a reserve deputy. I carry a firearm. If I'm 246 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: in a movie theater, I can respond to an active 247 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: shot which leads us to this thing. So I have 248 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: terrible anxiety because well I've had anxiety for a while, 249 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: but I recently had anxiety attack because I went to 250 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: a target and I was with our nine month old son, 251 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: and I had just read a story about a baby 252 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: that passed away and the you know, the arms of 253 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: a mom who was at the Walmart um in El Paso. 254 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: And the second I was in that target, I was 255 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: just like, okay, how am I going to protect my 256 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: son when a shooter comes in? And so I told 257 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: my about my panic attack and how I had immediately 258 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: left target, and and he was like, you know what, 259 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: babies like I've been thinking too, and I want to 260 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: talk to you about this is like, would you be 261 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: okay if I got to carry a carry carrying license? 262 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: And I was just like a million percent, you know, 263 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: to to protect, you know, just to know that we 264 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: can at least protect ourselves and people around us if 265 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: something like that were to happen. It's just it's a 266 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: scary reality though too, to have you know, what's how 267 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: do you how do I guess? Like is that is 268 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: that safe? Address it? Let me address it. That's a 269 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: fair question because my fiance gets gets anxiety allso she 270 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: hates going out. I've got Amazon boxes at my door 271 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: every night because she doesn't want to go to the 272 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: grocery store. And that's all I do. And listen, I 273 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: don't carry this knife, don't get too far from the 274 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: mic for self defense. I carry this to cut them, 275 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: to put them into boxes so I can get them 276 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: into garbage. I literally bought and just like that for 277 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: that reason. So let me address that. So my primary job, 278 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: like I said, for the last seventeen years as a 279 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: body are and then after not eleven, a tiny SWAAN 280 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: team in the middle of nowhere called me. They're like, 281 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: do you do the Israeli thing? Can you train us in? 282 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: That turn into like three thousand police officers and military 283 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: units all over the world. We traveled and Tom, here's 284 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: my training coordinator, and I'm all for it, but you 285 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: gotta get to training. The average law enforcement officer has 286 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: to qualify once a year, once a year, and they 287 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: shoot maybe five thousand rounds in the academy. In my unit, 288 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: it was five thousand rounds a week. That Special operations great. 289 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: Same thing with Seal Team, same thing with rangers, same 290 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: thing with Delta Delta is even more it's at at 291 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: a more extreme level. So my unit, which is a 292 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: Tier one unit like Delta Force or like dev Grew 293 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: or Seal Team six um, which these units have come 294 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: to to come to the movies more with With with 295 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: Mark Wahlberg and Marcus Lattreelle and you're you know, we're 296 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: seeing more of the Special Operations community. You gotta get 297 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: to training. What I mean is in Israel, anyone who's 298 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: issued a firearm has to go through a minimum of 299 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: forty hours of training, which involves everything from point shooting, 300 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: which is behavioral based. So if you're stressed, what's that 301 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: going to feel like? One? Two firing in and around 302 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: the crowd? What does that look like? When I bring 303 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: in to the Americans, they look at me, They're like, dude, 304 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: you're out of your mind. We could never get away 305 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: with that. And my answer is that's because the liability 306 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: of not firing into a crowd is still greater than 307 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: the liability of firing into a crowd. So until that 308 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: becomes congruent and there's more active shooters and terror attacks, 309 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: there cautious about the types of things. They look at 310 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: with me, But then at the end they go, You 311 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: know what, that's really smart. Carry the pistol, get the permit. 312 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: But to get one is easy, you know, as long 313 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: as you don't have a felony and fire a few 314 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: bullets at the range of whatever it is you're find. 315 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: But you have to train like an animal so that 316 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: while you're carrying with your wife, with your kids, you 317 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: have some blocking capabilities like a bodyguard and how to 318 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,239 Speaker 1: cover them, and how to work into a crowd and 319 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: how to find a single threat with a crowd of 320 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: people running around? Where was it a Walmart? The way 321 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: that was episode? Where were you when you so targets 322 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: like the Jewish Walmart? That's like the jappy Walmart. I'm 323 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: a jew, I can say, okay. So so it's the 324 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: same vibe though, right, Like there's gonna be people running everywhere, 325 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: and they're all gonna be running towards the exit, and 326 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: your instinct is gonna be running also. But law enforcement 327 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: has to run to the threat. So if you're gonna 328 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: do it, just get law enforcement great active shooter training 329 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: and there's more of it now than everyone. If you 330 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: want to be be in touch with me and I can 331 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: connect you with an agency in Nashville. You said, you 332 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: guys are so everyone's training is getting better. Just make 333 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: sure you get a lot of training. And it's like 334 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: you know, in football, everything is like designed to make 335 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: it so it's real when you're in the place. He's 336 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: the football animal exactly, and we call it dry fire. 337 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,719 Speaker 1: The same thing you have to be doing drills under stress, 338 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: your heart rate is were what happens to your vision 339 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: tunnel vision, what happens to you're hearing auditorious sclusion in 340 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 1: normal reaction? Right, the same stuff that you do in football, 341 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: we do with a gun. So just take that and 342 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: put that on the range and if you want, I'll 343 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: make you guys a menu of some of the stuff 344 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: to start looking at training and after you get the 345 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: department and then you feel a little bit better. Yeah, 346 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, it's not making 347 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: her happy because she's not happy, you're not happy. That's 348 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: going to go. I just would love to be able 349 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: to go shopping and or go to the mall, or 350 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: go to the freaking church and not feel like, okay, 351 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: because this is it gonna happen today here, you know everything, 352 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: because it's like you can't go any church, malls, schools. 353 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: It's like not theater anyway. So I just I want 354 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I want to get off the topic. I 355 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 1: want to talk about your new movie. But I just 356 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: not even know if we can talk about it. I 357 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: don't want to get political, I really don't. But I'm 358 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: just curious. You know, they say, because I don't want 359 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: our guns to be taken away. I love the right 360 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: to bear arms. I think that's, you know, great, But 361 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: when people say, when they talk about like Australia and 362 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: there's been they don't they can't have guns. But then 363 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: there's no But people say, well, you can find the guns. 364 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: Even if you take away the guns, people are always 365 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: going to find the guns. Well, then why haven't they 366 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: found him in Australia. Why haven't there been any shootings. Listen, 367 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: you're never taking guns away from Americans. We don't have 368 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 1: a we don't have a second Amendment. In Israel, everybody 369 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: serves in the Israel Defense Forces. So between the ages 370 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: of eighteen twenty one, every man and woman picks up 371 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: a rifle and does some type of national service in 372 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: the Israel Defense Forces. Um and nobody has a gun 373 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: out of the army unless your law enforcement so I again, 374 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: I don't think you're ever gonna take guns away from Americans. 375 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: And I think the Second Amendment is so we even 376 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: into the culture in the fabric of this country because 377 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: let's just cowboy, it's a cowboy country. We've founded this 378 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: whole kind I'm Americans, So this whole country was founded 379 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: on the ability to be able to defend yourselves. And 380 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: so anyways, you're not getting the guns away from Americans. 381 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 1: But what you can't legislate and get tighter on is 382 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: the mental health restrictions and making sure that people who 383 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: have mental health problems can never get a gun. I 384 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: don't have a problem with making sure that people who 385 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: own a gun should be checked and make sure that 386 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: they're checked and maintain that checking so that there aren't 387 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: mental health is just because everybody knows it's a giant 388 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: mental health problem. Here kind of being muddled with a 389 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: gun problem when it's sort of a combination of the two. 390 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: Um A RS or no a RS. I don't want 391 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: to get into that. Uh, you can do just as 392 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: much damage which with a pistol as you can with 393 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: an a R. Can you do more than you know 394 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: what I mean? That doesn't have most of the shootings 395 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: we see here with the a AR because they're higher 396 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: cap mags and the bullets firedcon is supposed to supposed 397 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: to nine ft per second. The a R is more lethal. 398 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: It's just it's a fact. Do you need an a 399 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 1: R in your house where I use it for home defense? 400 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: Probably not, because I would want frangible rounds that don't 401 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: go through walls and stuff. Um, but um, I want 402 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: to be careful with that because again I'm all four weapons, 403 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: but the training has to be there. So if you're 404 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: not getting the guns away from the Americans, then you 405 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: can regulate the training and then regulate the mental health checks. 406 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: In Israel, if you want a pistol, or you can't 407 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: even get a rifle. If you want to pistol, you 408 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: have to live either like right near the border of 409 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: Lebanon where there's terror attacks coming, or near the southern 410 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: border in Gaza, and it's to protect your family from 411 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: a terror infiltration. What's been the scariest thing that you've 412 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: ever witnessed during all of your lines of work? Um, 413 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: Right when I finished my pipeline in the Israeli Special Forces, 414 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: in the counter terror unit, I was sleeping for like 415 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: three days straight. I couldn't move. I was so tired. 416 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: And there was a monster terror attack and this was 417 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: in nineties seven at a mall in Tel Aviv, and 418 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: it felt like an earthquake because I'd grown up with 419 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: earthquakes and I'm like in my underwear running with my 420 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: m sixteen down the street with an officer of mine 421 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,719 Speaker 1: who I was living with on my team, and we 422 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: were we responded to a deadly terror attack where twenty 423 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: seven people were killed and it was like right outside 424 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: of the mall. And then at that moment I realized 425 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: just how ugly the face of terror was because it 426 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: has no name. It has you know what I mean, redbuddies, 427 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: open target and yeah, and there were not eleven hit. 428 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: After I was out of the army and I saw 429 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: the planes hit the towers, I went, well, guess what, 430 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: it's here. It's here. Unfortunately I'll have a career, but 431 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: it's here. So I would say that decent golf mall 432 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: attack was was terrible because it was on the day 433 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: of Israel's Halloween and there was like kids and costumes 434 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: you know who were who were uh in pain and 435 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: suffering and there's like nothing you can do. And then 436 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, all of our pages went off 437 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: in the entire unit got called back, and then for 438 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: the next three months we didn't sleep, just hunting down 439 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: the architects of that, this terrible wave of attacks in 440 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: the nineties. I mean, this is the guy that you 441 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: play on your video games, Like this is their real 442 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: life version, the Jewish version. I mean yeah, I mean 443 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: it's speechless in some sense just because all this, Like 444 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: I could sit with you someone like you for hours, 445 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: because I just don't even know what kind of questions 446 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: I would have. They just keep coming and coming. But 447 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: to get back for our topic ab out you know, 448 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: carrying everything, And I agree with you for sure, Like 449 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: I wouldn't even feel comfortable carrying until I get enough 450 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: training where I feel confident comfortable, Like you're not gonna 451 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: get on the field, un listen, right right, I'm not 452 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,239 Speaker 1: gonna go see if I don't know what I'm going right. Um, 453 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: But for people that maybe either live in a state 454 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: that has tighter gun laws or don't believe in in 455 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: necessarily you know, weapons or guns to protect themselves, what 456 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,719 Speaker 1: would you advise people who want to still feel secure 457 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: in some way without using Um, good preventative good question 458 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: smart good preventative measures. Like everything has behavior before it actualizes. 459 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 1: So like, you know, my girlfriend is trained to look 460 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: at the cars when she's walking to her car, because 461 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: if someone's gonna follow you, they're gonna be sitting in 462 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: a car. Look at the vehicles. When you pull out, 463 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: you'll see a car. You'll hear a car engine turn on, 464 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: So get ahead of it, open your eyes and look. 465 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: Situational awareness is like a real thing, Like you can 466 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: Michael all the time because women are buried here and 467 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: we're in such an Instagram culture, which is great for 468 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: advertising because you can force feed them what you want 469 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: infiltrate their cell phones with c I A level capabilities, 470 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: you know, because everyone's on their phone now and we 471 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: can advertise and make millions of dollars selling whatever we 472 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: want today. But you gotta get your head out of 473 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: your phone and when you're walking and you're moving, have 474 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: a look at where you're going. Another thing is download 475 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: Find My Friends, Like there's all kinds of great trackings, 476 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: now download it. You know, Like not only will you 477 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: be able to find her if her phone dies, yeah then, 478 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: but also if you lose your phone, you can find 479 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: it for her without having the log on, you know 480 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: what I mean. So, Um, it's just about getting in 481 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: front of the threats. So looking at cars when you're 482 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: walking to your cars, stay away from the night stuff 483 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: like don't be out at night. There's no reason anywhere 484 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: in the world, you know what I mean. Crime thrives 485 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: at night. That's where it breathes. It's like a fungus. Um. 486 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: And um, I'm not a big fan of like self 487 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: defense training to protect yourself because I don't think it's 488 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: gonna work under stress unless you're like m M A 489 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: grade Jennifer for that moment. But if you put a 490 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: gun in her hands and she's trained, it's the total 491 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 1: tactical equalizer, you know what I mean. I don't care 492 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: how big you are or if you're teo or tease. 493 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: You come at her and she fires and put three 494 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 1: shots in you, you're gonna go down. So there's a 495 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: reason why you know, weapons exist for self defense, but 496 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: you've got to be trained to be able to use 497 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: them under stress. So but I've trained tons of women. 498 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: You gotta see Heywire with Gina Krano. I trained Gina 499 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: for that movie. She's an m M A fighter. So 500 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: when she picked up the gun. She was a natural 501 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: because she could already, you know, do all this stuff. 502 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: And that's why I started in movies. And we can 503 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: get to that whenever. But um, you can learn how 504 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: to shoot weapons. Everybody can and it changes. There's no 505 00:26:50,040 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: difference between you two with a gun. Period. So great. 506 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: So my first day with my fiance was she had 507 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: no idea what I did? Do you want to go shooting? 508 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: And I'm sick of this business. I'm like what she 509 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: must have stocked my Facebook page. I've got my stuff 510 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,719 Speaker 1: on there. I post him here and there and we 511 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: went and then I and then I said, I sent 512 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 1: the target like fifty yards down the range and I go, 513 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: if I hit it, you have to kiss me in 514 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: our house. I sent it back and I folded the 515 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: target up like this big. But it's like, that's our story. 516 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: That's fantastic. That So into the movies, right, you you 517 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: worked on do you work on the earlier MBO to Rambour? 518 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: Last Blood is the one? Yes. I was in john 519 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: Wick and I trained Keanu Reeves for john Wick. I 520 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: did a portion of his firearms training, so he had 521 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: about five different instructors he had. He can Machado. He 522 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: had a whole diet of like really top guys and 523 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to get in there for all 524 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: of his uh concealed carry work and his room clearing 525 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: work and um, so that was for John Wick two 526 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: kana when I are still pretty tight and um he 527 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: trains all the time, but it's a very perishable thing. 528 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: So that's another thing to remember with training, Like you 529 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: gotta keep shooting absolutely it goes down. It's like, so 530 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: sorry for you. What position did you play? Was a 531 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: tight end? So what is tight end? Here's the football master? Catch, block, 532 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,959 Speaker 1: do everything. So you're like I used to be, like 533 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: you have to be able to do everything everything, run 534 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: past guys faster than you, block guys bigger and stronger 535 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: than you, and catch balls. Yes, so that's the real deals. 536 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: He's a football like nerd um. So that's awesome. So John, 537 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: I actually just watched John with three Parabellum, which was 538 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: watched it. I told you I was going to, but 539 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: I didn't care anyways. Anyways, So how how is that 540 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: working with these do you find yourself where when you 541 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: work with these actors more of them are are interested 542 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: and locked in? Or do you think it's hard to 543 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: kind of get their attention and be like, hey, no, 544 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: this is It depends on who it was. So I 545 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: started off tech advising. Uh. In two thousand and eleven, 546 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: that was my first movie. That was Haywire Um Trained, 547 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: Gina Chrono and Channing Tatum before he blew up, like 548 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: before magic might hit my kid. I was there in 549 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: the room and he pitched it to Soderberg, and Soderberg 550 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: was like, I would do that movie. It was like 551 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: I got the stripper movie idea in Florida. It was like, 552 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: I would do that movie. And I was like, dude, 553 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: I just saw a hundred fifty million dollar payout happened 554 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: right like, and that was the real deal. Um. So uh. 555 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: Most of the actors are into it because the action 556 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: today has the bar has been set so much higher, 557 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: Like throughout the eighties and the nineties was about like 558 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: a single physique with Schwarzenegger Rambo, but then all of 559 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: a sudden, after the Matrix changed everything, all of a 560 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: sudden was about the action. So once John wu came in, 561 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: and the child Skis came in, and and and the 562 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: martial arts became the star that the level has just 563 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: continued to grow. So it opened up a market for 564 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: guys like me to come in and bring great tactical training. 565 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: So I did a couple of movies and then Soderberg 566 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: put me in my first movie, which was Hayward and 567 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: had a tiny of the role with like three lines. 568 00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,959 Speaker 1: Did you love it or you just like oh my god? 569 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: Like I was done. I'm like, wait a second, you're 570 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: gonna pay me to do what I'm just like I 571 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: can hustle this. I'm like I And so I did, 572 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: and so we're five movies later. Um the producers of 573 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: Rambo called me up um asked me to join the 574 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: law enforcement side of the cast, and Rambo's got a 575 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: very contentious relationship with law enforcement, going back to First 576 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: Blood with Brian Denny and he's like, listen, it's not 577 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: a huge part, but it's important and we think you 578 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: can carry this. Would you come and play the police 579 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: State Captain? And I did, And that was coming off 580 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: another movie I've done with the same company called to 581 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: eleven with Nick Cage, which is on Netflix, and I 582 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: had a monster scene with Nick Cage and not like 583 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: as that it's called to eleven because I just watched 584 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: the Nicholas cage of the gun running one Lords of 585 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: Lords we just saw. So they're turning that into a 586 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: TV show. I can't I can't see anymore. But that's 587 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: turning into a TV show and I'm going to be 588 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: working on that as well. Yes, be a Netflix series. Oh, 589 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: I mean it was. I just I just find that fascinating. 590 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: Just I'm like, I want to just go along with you. 591 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: I kind of do you know. I'm like, I just 592 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: I want to just for a day, I really truly 593 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: good for a day. I would just love to just 594 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: get in the inner workings of that and just see 595 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: the messed upness of everything and how these people are 596 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: getting those guns, and it's very interesting. I actually wouldn't 597 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: want to sell the guns in the largest supplier of 598 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: arms all over the world. So yeah, just hanging out 599 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,719 Speaker 1: with like you know, cult American, Like America sells more 600 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: guns than anybody. What are you the most scared of? 601 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: Are you scared of anything? I don't think about fear. 602 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: I don't you know what I mean. I'm just aggressive, 603 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: you know, my my my fears. I don't know. It's 604 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: a good questions. What is there to be afraid of? 605 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: I could be dead already, I'm grateful and beyond scared. 606 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: I'm happy. There's nothing that you just because like what's 607 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: gonna happen? But someone's gonna light me up in a 608 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: movie theater on arms, I could bring it. You walked 609 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: into the wrong theater. Oh I want you on every 610 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: plane every like I want you. I want you to 611 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: and then in and here's the exactly what I was 612 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: just gonna say, is the same thing. Right in football, 613 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: I wasn't scared because I was prepared. I knew what 614 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,239 Speaker 1: I was doing, I was trained. I have that mentality. 615 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: But the difference clearly between me and Scott is that 616 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: you are trained and so in those scenarios like I 617 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't know necessarily what to do if I'm carrying that, 618 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: but I had the mentality. Right. But that's the thing. 619 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: It's like, those those kind of scenarios that are going 620 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: on in the world in our country today, are I 621 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: still have fear around them because at this current moment 622 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: I am not. You need to catch up and right exactly, 623 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: But it's that mentality that I just love. Well, you 624 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: were taught, as I was, how to turn fear into aggression. Yeah, 625 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: and that's a and that's and that's a really important 626 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: life skill. So I'm not afraid. I'm just like Antsie, 627 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: like let's get more going. You know. I have to 628 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: move at the pace of like the next thing and 629 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: the next thing, like you know what I mean my 630 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: fears that I don't get to do it all? What 631 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: do you want to do next? I just want to 632 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: keep supporting actors. I want to be like the next 633 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: Tom size more without can I swear on the show? Yeah? 634 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: Without in all the nonsense that he's done. I just 635 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: want to take his job because he's no longer welcoming 636 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: that job. But I'm in that forties right there, which 637 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: is like the sweet spot. I just want to support 638 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: these guys because we don't have to carry the weight 639 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: of the film, but we can be in like every 640 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: one of them. We'll take it well. I I just 641 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: I You're fascinating, So thank you for coming on and 642 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: sharing your wisdom and love and guns and Rambo September theaters. 643 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: Have you seen it in its entirety yet? I have not, 644 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: Uh when the premiere, I don't know if they're gonna 645 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: do in l a premier. Um slides pretty smart. He 646 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: might do like some social media. Yeah, he's cool. He 647 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: like yeah, he was like, so I got my sides 648 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: and then it was like I shut up on set 649 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: and and I was like, you know, like you know 650 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: everyone's you know, they they're careful round slide because he's 651 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: such a legend, and I wanted to run it because 652 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: I've got a scene with John j He's coming down 653 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: this hill and I'm like, I gotta talk to him 654 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: and so many a couple of lines, but I'm like, 655 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out to slides, so if he wants 656 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: to run lines. And I walked over and I go, hey, slowly, 657 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: you want to run this? And he goes yeah, and 658 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: and and then like I can't believe you the nerve 659 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: to ask him, because I wouldn't. I could never do that, Like, 660 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 1: but dude, it's so good to run this, Like gets 661 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: make it good because he, you know, half wrote the 662 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: script and he's you know, half directing the movie. He's like, 663 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: you know, a real filmmaker. And it's in Rambo. He's 664 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: coming down on his horse and it's raining and it's 665 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: like a ten dollars set up, and I'm like and 666 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: I walked over to Slim, like yo, you want to 667 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: run and he goes and I threw the lines and 668 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: he goes and he goes, yeah, just like that, and 669 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: I'm like cool, and then I went back to my 670 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: mark and then it was like and then we shot 671 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: it and then it was awesome. So and everyone needs 672 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: to see it September. Everyone needs to see in September 673 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: twenty Um. I think this will be the final Rambo. 674 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: But he's an incredible shape. He looks amazing. The knife 675 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: that they picked for him is awesome. He goes up 676 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: against the Mexican cartel, which isn't a new storyline, but 677 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: it's new for John J. And this is Rambo like 678 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: in the seventies. So you're gonna see some like you're 679 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: gonna like. But we everyone they played it close to 680 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: how it would really be, so it's a much Yeah, 681 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: it's a much Rambo nine at the v A Right, 682 00:35:49,600 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: where's my money? Thank you guys so much. Okay, so 683 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,879 Speaker 1: this is what happens when you're in California because we're 684 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: obviously um, we did our last podcast in California, last episode, 685 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: and so now we know we're um recording again and 686 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: we just had a visitor coming Pop on the show 687 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,760 Speaker 1: and I'm so intrigued because I just got a very snipped, 688 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 1: small snippet of what this is and I just cannot 689 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: wait to hear. So, Michael, would you like to announce 690 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: our podcast? We have and I haven't known much about it. 691 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: I did a little bit of reading about it when 692 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: I found out that you were going to be on. 693 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 1: And I've heard of Dirty John, which is apparently like 694 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: the most popular podcast ever. But we have Tara Newell 695 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: from Dirty John, the original, the one that went through 696 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: it all that everything was based off of. Here with 697 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: us today, So just start. Okay, So my story is 698 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: my mom married a con artists. This guy ended up 699 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 1: being a really bad guy. My mom left him a 700 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: couple of times, and the last time that she left him, 701 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: he ended up coming after me and trying to kill me. 702 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: I was twenty five at the time. Yeah, so he 703 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: tried to kill me and try to stob me. Well 704 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 1: he did stob me, but I was actually able to 705 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:32,720 Speaker 1: get the knife and defend myself and kill me attacker. Wow. 706 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,760 Speaker 1: Have you done a lot of therapy? Yes, so much therapy. 707 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,399 Speaker 1: We're big therapy advocates, and I can't even imagine going 708 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: through something like that. Yeah. No, I've done actually um 709 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,320 Speaker 1: E M d R therapy. Yeah, and that's helped so much. 710 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,760 Speaker 1: But I'm still targeting all my triggers, so I'm still 711 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: going through it. Did you do visual or audio e 712 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: M b R um So I did it with the 713 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:03,439 Speaker 1: tappers and then you go through the event and then 714 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,720 Speaker 1: you kind of bounces a brown from image to image 715 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: when you do it, but they're all correlated together. Wow, 716 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: that's fascinating. Can I just add in one thing that 717 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 1: I love? Not love, that's a terrible word to use, 718 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: but that's very fascinating to me about Tara is how 719 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: you knew how to attack John because it's it's kind 720 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: of badass. Oh the walking zad I watched a lot 721 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: of Walking Za, so it's kind of like Monkey Sea 722 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: Monkey You. And then you learn how to hold the 723 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: knife correctly and to basically kill a zombie but kill 724 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: a person basically the same thing. You know, Just what 725 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: did you run away after that? Or what did you Okay? 726 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,359 Speaker 1: So at first, when someone grabs you, you need to 727 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: try to flee the scene. You need to try to 728 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 1: run away from them because just to fight them your 729 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: chances kind of go down. Um, So you try to 730 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: run away and then if you're unable to run away, 731 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: then you need to start doing anything you can to 732 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: try to like defend yourself. Where I put my arm up, 733 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,439 Speaker 1: I blocked my heart, so he stabbed me on my arm, 734 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: my forearm instead of my heart, and then I was 735 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,839 Speaker 1: able to kind of disconnect. I would scream. I bit 736 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: him as hard as I could. I ended up on 737 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: the floor and just I used my feet and my legs, 738 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 1: my thighs. You know, your legs are your biggest muscles 739 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: in your body, your largest muscles in your body. So 740 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: you've got to use what um basically you were born 741 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: to do, because we have instincts as a human to survive. 742 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: So in this case, I used everything I could to 743 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 1: survive in that instance. I'm sure you've talked about all 744 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 1: of this so much. How many years ago did this? 745 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: This happened three years ago. I just celebrated my three 746 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: year anniversary, so it actually is still recent. It's pretty recent, 747 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 1: but I feel like a good amount of time has 748 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: gone by to heal. How did this story become dirty John? Okay, 749 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: so it was at l a Times story and then 750 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: it ended up into being a podcast. And what I mean, 751 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 1: like they just they nicknamed him Dirty John. Why I'm 752 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,880 Speaker 1: so his ex wife Tanya had that nickname for him, 753 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: and when the show was coming to play, they were 754 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: kind of thinking of like what should we name it 755 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: in the podcast and stuff, and then she was just like, okay, 756 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: dirty John. And that's kind of how they got the name. 757 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: But how did it get picked up to be that? 758 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 1: Like did she write it? Did she like, who got 759 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: this story to turn it into? Because I mean this 760 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 1: is I mean, you know there's there's a lot of stories, 761 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 1: not a lot of stories, but you know there's con 762 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,280 Speaker 1: artists and so it's like how to become that? Though, 763 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: like how did it start to even start that to 764 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,280 Speaker 1: be a story? Okay, so I believe it was Hannah 765 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: Fry from the Daily Mail. Not the Daily Mail. Um, 766 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: it was like a local newspaper. They told Christopher Gofford 767 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: about it, and also, um, the prosecuting attorney who was 768 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: supposed to and prosecute me if I were to be 769 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 1: on the wrong side of things kind of Um. He 770 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: told Christopher Gofford also about it, and then he became 771 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: kind of intrigued by the story and contacted my mom. 772 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: And at this time it was like do we want 773 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: to talk about this because it's such a traumatic, yeah, 774 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 1: a traumatic experience, and I didn't want my name to 775 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: be out there for something like this, but I honestly 776 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,800 Speaker 1: prayed about it and I gave it to God and 777 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,760 Speaker 1: I just had the answer that this was gonna help people, 778 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,359 Speaker 1: and it's actually helped so many people. So that's why 779 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,359 Speaker 1: I put my story out there and how it kind 780 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:12,359 Speaker 1: of came out there. That's has it with As much 781 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: as you talked about this, does it get easier every 782 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 1: time you do or is it still something that just 783 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 1: every time it's still just kind of hits that chord 784 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 1: of triggers a little bit. Um there's a sense of 785 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: me being disconnected to it. Now. I talk about certain 786 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: things that I want to talk about. I don't talk 787 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: about things that necessarily bother me, that triggered me, Like 788 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: I'll talk about like the hospital that triggers me because 789 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 1: I'm scared to death of hospitals. And then it was 790 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: like my personal space after being attacked and then going 791 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: into intensive care, not intensive care, but the trauma unit. 792 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 1: They touch you everywhere. And when I say like everywhere, 793 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 1: it's everywhere and they're poking you with it was so 794 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: that was kind of like re traumatizing to me. So 795 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 1: that's the part that's triggering to me. And then just 796 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 1: if I smell blood, then that's triggering. Why why did 797 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: he come after you? I didn't not go after your mom, 798 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,760 Speaker 1: like you know. He went after my mom the night before, 799 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: but he was in unable to get into her apartment complex. 800 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: So I don't know if he came after me the 801 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 1: next day because I was an easier target or if 802 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 1: I was just so when he was going after it 803 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 1: from the beginning, because he had my Facebook page printed out, 804 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,440 Speaker 1: like where I worked. He called my work the day before, 805 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 1: so it was premeditated. We're during the whole like prosecute 806 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,919 Speaker 1: the process after the fact, right, we'd like to think 807 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: that the justice system is going to do the right thing. 808 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 1: But did any part of you have any fear of, well, 809 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: what if they mess this up somehow? Like what if 810 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,880 Speaker 1: someone tries to manipulate the situation and they try to 811 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 1: put something on me? So John has done that with 812 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 1: so many other people, but I killed him, so I 813 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 1: didn't have that fear of him turning that around on me. 814 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,319 Speaker 1: But I did after a few months when I heard 815 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 1: that the case wasn't closed. Then I was like, am 816 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,440 Speaker 1: I going to get arrested for this? But I was 817 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: like I shouldn't because it was strictly self defense. I 818 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,439 Speaker 1: tried to flee away from him, I tried to run, 819 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 1: I defended myself. There was nothing that I wanted to 820 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:37,760 Speaker 1: harm this person. What hurts you the worst with saying 821 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 1: what you just said, um that I honestly had to 822 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 1: take another person's life. But I remember that they're evil 823 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:51,799 Speaker 1: and that helps. Yeah, I mean you shouldn't. Hopefully you 824 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,480 Speaker 1: always remember that because you know, I come from an abuse, 825 00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,880 Speaker 1: abusive relationship who he tried to kill me, and I remember, 826 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,879 Speaker 1: like you know, but they make you think that it's 827 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,239 Speaker 1: your your fault. So I just want you to not 828 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 1: twist that that's my only And I'm sure, I'm sure 829 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,719 Speaker 1: you've done so much work, but well, thank you for 830 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,440 Speaker 1: sharing that with me. Also, I respect that it's just 831 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,360 Speaker 1: you know, there's such evil people out there and people 832 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: need to be aware to look out for red flags 833 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:28,719 Speaker 1: and um the signs because there's so many cases that 834 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:36,279 Speaker 1: women are abused in you know, their person that supposedly 835 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 1: loves them tries to harm and kill them. Do you 836 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 1: work with any shelters like Safe Horizon. So right now 837 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,880 Speaker 1: I work with Safe Passion, Safe Passage heels Um. I 838 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 1: am doing a five k run for them on September amazing. Well, 839 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,360 Speaker 1: thank you. Is any of this, Janna, Is any of 840 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: this triggering for you? Yeah, I'm but in a way 841 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 1: where I'm like, because she got out, we got out, 842 00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,080 Speaker 1: and it was like it could have been so much worse. 843 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:10,359 Speaker 1: We're survivors, but but I just I can't imagine, like 844 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,319 Speaker 1: because I tried to fight back, you know, I ended 845 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 1: up getting like choked where I lost breath, but you 846 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,719 Speaker 1: know I couldn't. Yeah, I just to know what you 847 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 1: had to do the extra level. I mean that just 848 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,360 Speaker 1: you were you were surviving and you you know, you 849 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 1: saved your life, and I just the trauma with all 850 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,280 Speaker 1: of that is just very overwhelming, I'm sure. And yeah, 851 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,400 Speaker 1: I mean and just thinking. I mean, my guy, my 852 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,719 Speaker 1: abuser was he was a complete conartist, and he had 853 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: million different last names, and it was in jail for 854 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,240 Speaker 1: things I had no idea about, took out credit cards 855 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: and you know my mom's names, and you know, we 856 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,400 Speaker 1: had no idea about any of it. So it's just 857 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 1: the list adds up. You know. He was targeting my 858 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:59,480 Speaker 1: mom before we even knew. He took out so much money, 859 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 1: and he took out like three hundred thousand dollars of 860 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,960 Speaker 1: hers And it's just so scary because people are out 861 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,839 Speaker 1: there and they will do this to you. Yeah, and 862 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,520 Speaker 1: it's just but the women, that's it's just the staying 863 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 1: in it is like the hard thing because it's like 864 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:16,880 Speaker 1: when you're hearing like, oh yeah, I got back right 865 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,880 Speaker 1: after he said I was gonna you know, right back 866 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,319 Speaker 1: to his bed right after he said he was gonna 867 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,360 Speaker 1: kill me. But that's so the cycle, I know. And 868 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 1: that's what if anyone any women and men listening, because 869 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 1: it is both ways, you know, um that you that's 870 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,080 Speaker 1: hardest thing. I don't even know what to say because 871 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, when you're in that moment, you don't know, 872 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,880 Speaker 1: like you don't, you can't you can't see until you're 873 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:40,440 Speaker 1: out of it. Yes, No, it's really hard to walk away. Yeah, 874 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,879 Speaker 1: he's part of the trauma, to say, prize, And that's 875 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,680 Speaker 1: where I wouldn't wish I would have. He was part 876 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,399 Speaker 1: of the trauma. Maybe also playing the scenario like what if, 877 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 1: like what if you didn't you weren't able to do 878 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 1: what you had to do. Yeah, she would have died, right, 879 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: I feel like make up. I don't know. I haven't 880 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,920 Speaker 1: experienced something that traumatic, but is that part of your 881 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,480 Speaker 1: trauma is going through and like, what if something the 882 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,040 Speaker 1: negative consequence would have happened? I mean, now you're going 883 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 1: to make me cry. I'm it was just like my 884 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:13,839 Speaker 1: nieces and nephews, like heaven forbid if anything happened to them, 885 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,920 Speaker 1: Like I would have tried to kill this guy like 886 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,680 Speaker 1: a hundred times. So for like, it's just like my family. 887 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,359 Speaker 1: He was coming after my family and families everything to me. 888 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:32,880 Speaker 1: So it's just it's just so emotional thinking that what 889 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,759 Speaker 1: if it could have been one of them? So I'm 890 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:39,640 Speaker 1: so thankful it was me. That actually makes sense, totally 891 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,399 Speaker 1: makes sense. Another thing too, is I think, Mike, maybe 892 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,919 Speaker 1: you can get from the anxiety standpoint, Like why I 893 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 1: have such bad anxiety when I feel trapped is because 894 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,120 Speaker 1: I am He's on top of me in that moment 895 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,880 Speaker 1: and I can't escape. So that's why I like, I 896 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 1: have a hard time I expressed because it's like you like, 897 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 1: that's my PTSD and as the moment I got it, 898 00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,799 Speaker 1: and that's why I have such a bad anxiety. Now, 899 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,719 Speaker 1: it's like when I feel trapped anywhere I go, all 900 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,280 Speaker 1: I envision is him on me and I can't escape 901 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 1: because what would have I thought I was dying in 902 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:13,040 Speaker 1: that moment, right, So that's the like anxiety there, which 903 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure I feel that. Like there's sometimes when I 904 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,080 Speaker 1: go to country festivals and it's like I have to 905 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,799 Speaker 1: feel every exit. Yeah, I know, every exit. I have 906 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,239 Speaker 1: to have space. And people touched me then I kind 907 00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,719 Speaker 1: of freak out on them and it's not because they're 908 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,120 Speaker 1: like a bad person or anything. It's just because my 909 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,799 Speaker 1: boundaries are being breached. How is this, let's take a 910 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,520 Speaker 1: turn a little bit. How is this maybe affected or 911 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,320 Speaker 1: not affected your personal life as put in an aspect 912 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,800 Speaker 1: of dating or like are you dating? Are you married? 913 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,480 Speaker 1: Or you say, like, what's your relationship and how much 914 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:53,040 Speaker 1: has this affected it. I'm I'm definitely not married. How 915 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm tony a love things, um, but I am dating 916 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,439 Speaker 1: people here and there, and I'm trying too well. This 917 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,240 Speaker 1: is honestly like a reoccurring problem with or without the trauma. 918 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,840 Speaker 1: I'm trying not to self sabotage relationships because welcome to 919 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:17,160 Speaker 1: wind down. Yeah, because it's so easy. Yeah, but it's like, 920 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,560 Speaker 1: you know, if you find a great guy and then 921 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,400 Speaker 1: he does not do like one thing that makes you happy, 922 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,640 Speaker 1: then you're like, okay, I'm gonna just turn it all 923 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,360 Speaker 1: around on him. And then you're like, I'm going to 924 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,120 Speaker 1: sell sabotage myself. So I'm learning right now not to 925 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,000 Speaker 1: do that. And how's your mom? She's doing all right. 926 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:39,040 Speaker 1: She has a new boyfriend and we like him. I 927 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,719 Speaker 1: really do a nice, nice guy. Yeah. No. So he's 928 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,480 Speaker 1: from Newport and that's like kind of where I grew up. 929 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,080 Speaker 1: So I've asked a round about him. My sister has, 930 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,040 Speaker 1: and you can find any dirt on anyone in Newport. 931 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,840 Speaker 1: So it's like he was just like a guy that 932 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,920 Speaker 1: went to the bars and now he's like kind of 933 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,479 Speaker 1: find the love of his life. So it's like it's 934 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,120 Speaker 1: really cute. And he takes such good care of my mom. 935 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,560 Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah, he gets her massages twice a week. Yeah, 936 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:16,520 Speaker 1: he probably even, Um, do you get any do they 937 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,040 Speaker 1: have to come to talk to you when they do 938 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:22,080 Speaker 1: the dirty john stuff? I am? So I'm actually officially 939 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,839 Speaker 1: out of that contract, so not anymore. Okay, So you're 940 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,320 Speaker 1: okay out of it. Were you in in the beginning 941 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,960 Speaker 1: with the show with the Connie Britton and all that. 942 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,520 Speaker 1: I am so I was kind of involved with that, 943 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,120 Speaker 1: but I didn't really have a say in anything. It 944 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,680 Speaker 1: was more so they kind of took it and did 945 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,320 Speaker 1: what they wanted. It was more so Alexandra Alexandra hunting 946 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,759 Speaker 1: Hand's version of Dirty John. Okay, I've never talked to 947 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,319 Speaker 1: somebody that's had a story based on them or based 948 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,560 Speaker 1: around fact in their life. How was that to see 949 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,600 Speaker 1: or I don't know, if you've listened, if you've listened 950 00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,680 Speaker 1: to podcast, if you watch the show or movie, whatever 951 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,360 Speaker 1: it is, how is that to see something that happened 952 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,880 Speaker 1: in your life and it not be exact in the 953 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:09,040 Speaker 1: factual element. It was interesting, Like it was so triggering 954 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:15,160 Speaker 1: actually because so many of that did hats your life. Yeah, 955 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,000 Speaker 1: and but there was like some things that didn't happen 956 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,840 Speaker 1: exactly the way it happened, and I'm just like, Okay, 957 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,800 Speaker 1: that's a little off. And I honestly needed those parts 958 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,360 Speaker 1: because then it brings you back to reality. I'm watching 959 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:33,680 Speaker 1: something not real. I can get that. So it's really cool, 960 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:39,120 Speaker 1: but it's also triggering. Yeah, Well, Tara, thank you for 961 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,640 Speaker 1: popping in and chatting with us on Wine Down, and 962 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,319 Speaker 1: I just yeah, I have a lot of love for you, 963 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,040 Speaker 1: my heart, and thank you for on our podcast. We're 964 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,040 Speaker 1: all about being very open, very honest, and our whole 965 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,680 Speaker 1: goal is to help people in their relationships because we 966 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,080 Speaker 1: put all of our out there. So the fact that 967 00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,000 Speaker 1: you're able to do that with your story and help 968 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,080 Speaker 1: people not feel so alone and what they have to 969 00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,279 Speaker 1: do with is very commendable and we respect the hell 970 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,120 Speaker 1: I do you for doing that. Yeah, well, thank you. 971 00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,400 Speaker 1: I thought's honestly my life goal now. And and uh, 972 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,879 Speaker 1: the big man upstairs knew that knows that you're strong 973 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,200 Speaker 1: enough to help other people. So that's why there's the 974 00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:23,960 Speaker 1: greater purpose for all that, alright, thank you. Furniture shopping 975 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,680 Speaker 1: is honestly the worst um overreak your salespeople, poor quality 976 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,600 Speaker 1: pieces and the shipping periods. It's insane, you know, just 977 00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,719 Speaker 1: the works. Well, that's what Article decides to change the 978 00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,120 Speaker 1: way that people shop for furniture. 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You and I have kind of 1006 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,360 Speaker 1: talked about this if we would be able to, and 1007 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,239 Speaker 1: we both agreed the only way would be if for you, 1008 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,640 Speaker 1: the only way would be family self defense, self defending, 1009 00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,759 Speaker 1: defending my defending me and my family. I mean I 1010 00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,640 Speaker 1: would I would truly hurt someone very badly if they 1011 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:40,320 Speaker 1: ever hurt my kids, you know. And this is especially 1012 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,760 Speaker 1: with the theme of today's show with like Aaron on earlier, 1013 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:48,200 Speaker 1: who's I didn't even ask him, but he's definitely killed people. Okay, 1014 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,600 Speaker 1: he was in special Ops. Is really special Ops? Like, yeah, 1015 00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,719 Speaker 1: he's killed people. So I don't mean to be disrespectful 1016 00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,120 Speaker 1: to anyone who has either serve this country down whatever 1017 00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:05,160 Speaker 1: and had to take a life. I feel like, um, 1018 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have a problem with it in the right circumstance, 1019 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,520 Speaker 1: Like if someone hurt Jolie or j Yes, like I 1020 00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:17,799 Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, oh absolutely, Like without hesitation would not 1021 00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,680 Speaker 1: have an issue. So again I say that just purely 1022 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,080 Speaker 1: out of my own emotion and how I feel as 1023 00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,520 Speaker 1: a human being. But but here's playing god. You're taking 1024 00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,120 Speaker 1: someone's life. Do you think you could be on a 1025 00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,000 Speaker 1: jury with a death penalty case because I could not 1026 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,359 Speaker 1: do it. I could not do it. Yeah, I think 1027 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,640 Speaker 1: I could depending on the circumstance in that situation. But again, 1028 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,759 Speaker 1: like by you taking someone's life, and again I'm saying 1029 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,719 Speaker 1: I probably could too if it's my children, or if 1030 00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,600 Speaker 1: I'm defending, like if if if I if I could 1031 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,319 Speaker 1: have gouged, you know, and and hurt Mike, I mean 1032 00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,880 Speaker 1: I want I want to live in that moment, but 1033 00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,600 Speaker 1: and not Mike is sorry my views are Mike, but 1034 00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,600 Speaker 1: um so yes, But at the same time, if it's 1035 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,040 Speaker 1: a situation where we go out, so in that situation, 1036 00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,319 Speaker 1: see if someone but if someone hurts our kid, which 1037 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,080 Speaker 1: again I could see red and I can see doing it. 1038 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:15,040 Speaker 1: But then again, you are playing God in that sense 1039 00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,440 Speaker 1: where you're coming and you're saying, all right, but it's 1040 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,720 Speaker 1: not it's not necessarily it is a choice. But at 1041 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,360 Speaker 1: the same time, it's not. It's it is when you're 1042 00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,520 Speaker 1: not there though in that moment for the right reasons, 1043 00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,520 Speaker 1: it's protecting. But what if I'm saying, I'm saying, if 1044 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,360 Speaker 1: it's like a Julia Roberts that one movie where if 1045 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,480 Speaker 1: she they had already you go back for revenge to 1046 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:40,280 Speaker 1: kill the person. That's what I'm saying, of course protection, 1047 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,280 Speaker 1: but I'm saying it to go back to revenge. So 1048 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,800 Speaker 1: like say someone harmed one of you three, Yeah, like 1049 00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,600 Speaker 1: they killed one of us and I didn't get them 1050 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,240 Speaker 1: in the act, I would still be able to do it, 1051 00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,600 Speaker 1: I believe. Again, I don't mean that to any disrespect 1052 00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,320 Speaker 1: to anyone who has had to do that, but I 1053 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,240 Speaker 1: just feel, knowing who I am as a person, I 1054 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,440 Speaker 1: feel like I would be So then here's my question, 1055 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,320 Speaker 1: would you still do that even let's say let's say 1056 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,280 Speaker 1: let's say they hurt God forbid, one of our children. 1057 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,200 Speaker 1: Would you then go kill someone? But then now you're 1058 00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:18,960 Speaker 1: in jail and you're away from one of our kids. No, 1059 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,160 Speaker 1: I'm not saying no, I'm not at all saying that. 1060 00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,680 Speaker 1: I'm saying I would be able to. But that is 1061 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:28,600 Speaker 1: definitely different situation because then then, yeah, then whoever's remaining, 1062 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,800 Speaker 1: who's still living, you're screwing over twice there he lost somebody. 1063 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:39,480 Speaker 1: Now they're gonna lose you for murder charges. Now. One 1064 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,880 Speaker 1: of my absolutely there is where that's a judicial system. 1065 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:49,600 Speaker 1: But a movie that I've always loved enough, such a 1066 00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,439 Speaker 1: good movie. Q Jackman love that movie, Jake, Jake, Jolan 1067 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:59,240 Speaker 1: hall Uh, Terence Howard. That is a movie that impacts 1068 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,000 Speaker 1: me so lately because what Hugh Jackman does is something 1069 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,960 Speaker 1: that I could see. Didn't didn't they imprison him? They 1070 00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:12,040 Speaker 1: like that was the Yeah, they're like trapped, Yeah, imprison them. 1071 00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:15,640 Speaker 1: That's just I feel so much emotion when I watched 1072 00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,720 Speaker 1: that movie because I just feel like that's something that 1073 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,040 Speaker 1: I would just it would be hard for me just 1074 00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,960 Speaker 1: to give it up to somebody else to take care of. 1075 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:27,720 Speaker 1: I would want to see justice, for sure, and sometimes 1076 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,160 Speaker 1: justice I don't think it is served properly. I mean 1077 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,440 Speaker 1: in in situations for sure, especially when you know jails 1078 00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,600 Speaker 1: are overcrowding too. I mean remember when Mike got sentence 1079 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,440 Speaker 1: my abuser and it was like, you supposed to serve 1080 00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,200 Speaker 1: what nine years? And he got out in like four 1081 00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:47,840 Speaker 1: or five? Mike, wait what you know? But anyways, it's crazy, 1082 00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:52,480 Speaker 1: it's crazy. I'm glad she Yeah, it seems like she's, 1083 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,480 Speaker 1: you know, handling it the best that anyone could handle 1084 00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:02,280 Speaker 1: a situation like this. Yeah, you know, mm hmm crazy. 1085 01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,120 Speaker 1: What an episode though, It's the whole theme of the 1086 01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:10,600 Speaker 1: episode has been very powerful. I know. I'm excited to 1087 01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:11,800 Speaker 1: wind down again next week