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Speaker 1: we're traveling with our friends Cherry and Jason, who came
Speaker 1: out for our Pandemic Love Stories episode largely because they
Speaker 1: never got a honeymoon because they had to get married,
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Speaker 1: gonna have a good time there. Then we're gonna go
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Speaker 1: So we decided while we're gone, we'd give you a
Speaker 1: big fat episode, big fat two part epic romance with
Speaker 1: action and adventure. This this is so cool. I'm very
Speaker 1: excited about this, extremely excited about this one. Because we're
Speaker 1: covering Julie Darby Mee or as she's also known UM.
Speaker 1: This was suggested through email by our listener Andrea Johnson.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Andrea. A great suggestion, because Julie dobbin you
Speaker 1: is a seventeenth century badass who quite possibly has one
Speaker 1: of the most interesting love lives that we've ever covered.
Speaker 1: Bold statement. She dueled over ten men, and she played
Speaker 1: pranks on nobility. She seduced men and women alike. She
Speaker 1: once even said a convent on fire so she could
Speaker 1: run off with her forbidden lesbian lover Red. Incredible. Her
Speaker 1: legend is just so insane that historians are still struggling
Speaker 1: with what's true and what's not true, because she was
Speaker 1: larger than life even in her own time. So people
Speaker 1: were just like, I don't know, say she did some
Speaker 1: everyone will believe you serious. And we had just split
Speaker 1: her life in the two exciting part. So let's hear
Speaker 1: all about the bisexual pros dressing swordfighter and opera singer
Speaker 1: Lama bed right, let's go, hey their French comeation. Well,
Speaker 1: Elia and Diana got some stories to tell. There's no
Speaker 1: match making, a romantic tips. It's just about pridiculous relationships,
Speaker 1: a love. It might be any type of person at all,
Speaker 1: and abstract cons are a concrete wall. But if there's
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Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radio. So Julie Dubigny was born probably
Speaker 1: in sixteen seventy or sixteen seventy three. They gotta get
Speaker 1: better at those birthdays. I know some Well, you know
Speaker 1: you gotta record it in the family Bible or whatever.
Speaker 1: I guess you didn't get around to it if you
Speaker 1: didn't have printed calendars. How do you even know what
Speaker 1: year it is? Half the time they're like, I don't
Speaker 1: know like, I know, I traveled across the country too
Speaker 1: for a potato farm sometime around sixteen fifty five, and
Speaker 1: I want to say, it's been eight years since. How
Speaker 1: many winters did that? There was the one my wagon
Speaker 1: broke That was one year, and then there was the
Speaker 1: year where my horse ran away, and then you know
Speaker 1: his wife's like, that was the same year. You're right,
Speaker 1: it was what a year. You know, terrible tragedies. I
Speaker 1: do love that, you have to be like. I was
Speaker 1: born circa seventy roundabouts. No one gave me a certificate.
Speaker 1: Her dad's name was Gaston, classic French name, and he
Speaker 1: was a secretary for Count d'Armagnac, who was the King's
Speaker 1: master of horse. So I kind of a big job,
Speaker 1: big guy in the the world, swaggering around. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: did not. Just anybody watches all the king's horses. They're
Speaker 1: in charge of putting eggs back together. El job. So
Speaker 1: Julie grew up first in the Twitter Palace and then
Speaker 1: at Versailles, um so around a lot of mirrors, mirrors,
Speaker 1: a lot of opulence that day, and a lot of men.
Speaker 1: She grew up in a very masculine if she's growing
Speaker 1: up in the stables with around all the noblemen and
Speaker 1: all horses and you know stuff. Her days were full
Speaker 1: of like stinking dirt covered stable hands and then like
Speaker 1: silk pillows and you know those masculine folks on the
Speaker 1: inside which covered doust in perfew makeup. Yeah, lace. The
Speaker 1: two types of men, you know, are you dirty or clean?
Speaker 1: Those are the two types of men. Now, her dad,
Speaker 1: guest On, was a gambler. He was a big drinker.
Speaker 1: He was a big ladies man. A lot of vice
Speaker 1: is going on with this guy. How many eggs did
Speaker 1: he eat in the According to the song, there's four
Speaker 1: to five dozen eggs. Now they do stay in the
Speaker 1: same song that eggs are very expensive. Oh yeah, different people.
Speaker 1: They're talking about two different things. Yeah, well, guest On
Speaker 1: see subtext in Eating the Beast. Gaston was able to
Speaker 1: afford dozens of eggs, while this poor woman with several children,
Speaker 1: it was like, I need six eggs and it damn wow.
Speaker 1: Another layer to guests cruelty share the egg wealth. Didn't
Speaker 1: recognize his own privilege, not at all. Oh this guest On,
Speaker 1: not the animated one, but the real one. Um was
Speaker 1: also an accomplished swordsman, and he trained all of the
Speaker 1: count's pages in sword fighting and numerous other skills, and
Speaker 1: he chose to include his daughter in these lessons, kind
Speaker 1: of like a French arias dark. She was like, listen, dad,
Speaker 1: I don't want to wear these dresses and be groomed
Speaker 1: to be a princess or something. I like to mess
Speaker 1: around in the hay more ways than one. Um. So
Speaker 1: she learned grammar, literature, writing, drawing, dancing, et cetera. So
Speaker 1: she was like better educated than many women of her time.
Speaker 1: Um And by the time she was twelve, she was
Speaker 1: also fencing, because again, her dad's accomplished swordsman. He's like,
Speaker 1: you need to know how to you need to know
Speaker 1: your way around this thing. Um And she frequently dressed
Speaker 1: as a boy for this because you know, girls dresses
Speaker 1: not a lot of mobility. He needs some freedom of
Speaker 1: movement in order to fence. It wasn't necessarily it wasn't
Speaker 1: necessarily a disguise practicality. More for practicality, I think everyone
Speaker 1: knew she was a girl. She was just like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna wear these men's clothes. Makes more sense now. Encyclopedia
Speaker 1: dot Com says it was not very unusual at the
Speaker 1: time for women to learn how to use a sword,
Speaker 1: even though King Louis kept being like, y'all quit it
Speaker 1: an issue, order after stop it out there, get over it.
Speaker 1: It was punishable by being stripped of your titles or
Speaker 1: army commissions. You could be imprisoned or exiled or even executed.
Speaker 1: But it didn't matter. People were obsessed with duels. It's
Speaker 1: time a dual solved any problem, any dispute. They wanted
Speaker 1: to draw a sword about it. I need six eggs.
Speaker 1: I will check your eggs. Can I ask what which Louis?
Speaker 1: Was this the sun king? Yeah? That's right, um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: in Paris there were an estimated ten thousand professional duellists,
Speaker 1: like living in the wealthy quarters of Paris alone, you know,
Speaker 1: all over France. It was just a big thing to
Speaker 1: know how to use a sword and kill your man.
Speaker 1: When you say professional dualists, I think one of two things.
Speaker 1: Either I'll challenge you to a duel now I just
Speaker 1: need to go hire someone to do it for someone
Speaker 1: who is better than me, or someone being like I
Speaker 1: never took a real job. I just go duel people
Speaker 1: for money all the time. Basically, I wonder if it
Speaker 1: was like kind of the process server of their time,
Speaker 1: like they would show up and be like, would you
Speaker 1: fight me? And they no, okay, it is over, but
Speaker 1: I doubt it. I think you're right. More more accurately,
Speaker 1: it's probably some guy or some girls like I feel
Speaker 1: insulted by you, but I can't fight you, so I'll
Speaker 1: get someone to stand in by proxy sell sword. Oh
Speaker 1: you sorry you ever challenged me? Monsieur Carson or here, please,
Speaker 1: I need a dual list, Like, actually, I would definitely
Speaker 1: fight you. No, I can't fight that guy. So yeah,
Speaker 1: women did learn how to use swords on occasion at
Speaker 1: this time because it was just such as so in vogue,
Speaker 1: so in fashion to know how to do that. But
Speaker 1: encyclopedia dot Com writes, quote, the most uncommon thing about
Speaker 1: Julie as dual list was that apparently she fought only
Speaker 1: men and on an equal footing, so they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's too good. She can fight anyones you want. Now.
Speaker 1: As Julie grew up, she became extremely beautiful. Encyclopedia dot
Speaker 1: Com describes her quote she had large blue eyes and
Speaker 1: aqualine knows, a pretty mouth, excellent white teeth, very white skin,
Speaker 1: and a luxuriant crown. Of chestnut hair with shades of blonde.
Speaker 1: Probably around five ft three. She was slender, small breasted
Speaker 1: and lies no Less striking was her personality, which has
Speaker 1: been described as brave, fiery, generous, ardent, impetuous, and seductive.
Speaker 1: This is a firecracker. Anybody catch the problematic description in
Speaker 1: this in this measure of her beauty because I'm gonna say, oh, yeah, sure, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, Oh,
Speaker 1: very white skin, while that makes her extra pretty, Come on, guys,
Speaker 1: I mean especially at the time though, that was the
Speaker 1: time where it was like if you got tan, it
Speaker 1: meant you worked outside gross, so like you had to
Speaker 1: be like translucent because it proved how rich you were. Oh,
Speaker 1: those French folks just white, just powder powder. And they
Speaker 1: loved patches too, which is so funny because you look
Speaker 1: at the drawings now and there's just little moles all
Speaker 1: over their faces and they had fake little patches put
Speaker 1: on to achieve that, and some of them were even
Speaker 1: like heart shaped or star shaped or something like that.
Speaker 1: But I think it's funny because it kind of looks
Speaker 1: like you have a bunch of sores on you now,
Speaker 1: like in the illustrations are like interesting. It's so funny too.
Speaker 1: You've mentioned powder, and you're so right, because they would
Speaker 1: powder their hair. They want to like white hair, white skin,
Speaker 1: and then really dark patches, really red lips. What a
Speaker 1: what a look? Remember we did Murasaki Shikibu and we're
Speaker 1: talking about like feudal Japan. It was really it was
Speaker 1: considered very beautiful and elegant to have black. It's just
Speaker 1: stuff like that. We're like, man, that is beauty standard. Okay,
Speaker 1: I just think that of that every time you see
Speaker 1: a beauty standard of today. Just remember, in a hundred
Speaker 1: fifty years, they're gonna be saying they used to shower
Speaker 1: every day. What was wrong with them? We need your
Speaker 1: natural musk. That's what I want to sell. So when
Speaker 1: Julie was like fourteen or fifteen years old, sometime around there,
Speaker 1: she became Count d'armagnac's mistress, right, and remember this is Gaston,
Speaker 1: her father's boss, the king's horse master. He was like, gosh,
Speaker 1: it disturbs me to see you, Gaston. I would rather
Speaker 1: be dating your kids. Okay, okay, okay, Well, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what if we got a mail call? Awesome? Right? The
Speaker 1: first time? Well, Count d'Armagnac, her dad's boss he was
Speaker 1: apparently very handsome and agreeable. So guest On may have
Speaker 1: promoted this connection, but he might have hated it and
Speaker 1: just not been able to do a thing about it
Speaker 1: because the guy was his boss. Right, He's like, sorry, bro,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be fucking your kid, Gaston, I'd like you
Speaker 1: to please clean up after the horses over here, duel
Speaker 1: that guy for me. And then also, I'm picking your
Speaker 1: daughter up at seven. Now. Some accounts say that Gaston
Speaker 1: wanted Julie to learn to use a sword so she
Speaker 1: could protect herself on the Paris streets, and then with
Speaker 1: his own sword skills, he would chase off a lot
Speaker 1: of would be suitors for his daughter. Right. He was
Speaker 1: like these dads who were like got a big gun?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like ask my daughter to prom or sounds
Speaker 1: like one of those. So it's possible that Julie just
Speaker 1: picked the one guy that her dad couldn't say no to,
Speaker 1: you know, and she instigated the affair herself, possibly like
Speaker 1: I'm ready to get my rocks off right that no
Speaker 1: one is sure about the truth here now. Possibly a
Speaker 1: little before or shortly after the affair began, her father
Speaker 1: Gaston passed away and the counts darman Ak also became
Speaker 1: Julie's legal guardian. Now, at some point here the Count
Speaker 1: found someone else to marry Julie. He's like, well, i'm
Speaker 1: your father boyfriend now, so I shall find you someone
Speaker 1: to marry. And he found this guy, Sire Jean Mapan,
Speaker 1: and he was just kind of make and retiring, sort
Speaker 1: of man, accepting of whatever you gave him. It sounds like,
Speaker 1: marry this girl. I guess whatever you say if you insist. Now,
Speaker 1: some people say that the Count was finding it hard
Speaker 1: to keep up with Julie and that's why he married
Speaker 1: her off to this guy. But maybe he just wanted
Speaker 1: a respectable cover for their affair, because immediately after the wedding,
Speaker 1: some people say the very next morning, Count Darmagnac ordered
Speaker 1: Sierra Mapan to head off to a remote province to
Speaker 1: become a tax collector, while the Count kept Julie in Versailles.
Speaker 1: He was like, Jean Mapin, have I got a job
Speaker 1: for you. It is boring and it is going to
Speaker 1: be hell a rural and also I'm keeping your wife.
Speaker 1: But then Julie got bored and she started hooking up
Speaker 1: with a young fencing instructor named Cerron. Now, this guy
Speaker 1: was forever trying to prove his fighting skills. He's constantly
Speaker 1: getting into fights and duels and scrapes and messing around
Speaker 1: with people. And eventually, according to the Los Angeles Public Library,
Speaker 1: Saron killed his man in a duel and he was
Speaker 1: being pursued by one of the most powerful men in Paris,
Speaker 1: Nicolas Gabrielle de la Reni, who is often regarded as
Speaker 1: the father of modern policing. So he's like the lieutenant
Speaker 1: general of the police force, and biographer Jim Burrows writes
Speaker 1: on his blog that quote. In fact, he was more.
Speaker 1: The police in his day were responsible for all facets
Speaker 1: of city life, from regulating the price of food in
Speaker 1: the markets to lighting and cleaning the streets, as well
Speaker 1: as investigating and preventing crime. Bliny was a strict enforcer
Speaker 1: of the anti dueling laws and the regulation of weapons.
Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of crazy to me that the
Speaker 1: police were like, all right, I gotta go light all
Speaker 1: the street lamps as well. I guess if you're on
Speaker 1: patrol you may as well. While you're patrolling the streets,
Speaker 1: can you all just sweep up a little if you
Speaker 1: see some trash and you can't have that much to do.
Speaker 1: I will say the first time I went to Paris, uh,
Speaker 1: I was the first time I went to there is
Speaker 1: excuse me, it's for a dozen eggs over here. Um.
Speaker 1: But I was just so amazed at how clean it was,
Speaker 1: and I did seriously it was like Disney World. Like
Speaker 1: I'd just be walking on the street and there'd be
Speaker 1: a cigarette butt on the ground and someone would just
Speaker 1: appear out of a shadow in the in an alley
Speaker 1: somewhere with a broom and sweep it up and then
Speaker 1: vanish into the into the night again. And I was like,
Speaker 1: where did you come. It's not even nighttime, it's day
Speaker 1: and yet you disappeared into the moonlight somehow. It was amazing.
Speaker 1: The street sweepers of friends. I'll live in the catacombs
Speaker 1: streets until one piece of litter calls them forth. So seven,
Speaker 1: you know, was on the wrong side of this guy,
Speaker 1: this father of modern police, saying he had to flee
Speaker 1: from Paris to get out of this guy's jurisdiction, and
Speaker 1: he wanted Julie to come with him, so he convinced
Speaker 1: her that he had a bunch of property in Marseilles.
Speaker 1: So he's like, let's make way for the coast, and
Speaker 1: she's like, all right, what else am I doing? She
Speaker 1: goes with him to support themselves. They started giving fencing
Speaker 1: demonstrations in taverns and inns where they stayed. Again, Julie
Speaker 1: is dressing in men's clothes for the most part, partly
Speaker 1: for ease of travel, partly for practicality. Again, they're doing
Speaker 1: fencing demonstrations. She wants freedom of movement. Um, but even so,
Speaker 1: they advertised her as a woman to get more butts
Speaker 1: and seats, like, look at this lady. How crazy she
Speaker 1: can use a sword? What it's likely a woman with
Speaker 1: a physical skill. Well, one night they're doing their thing,
Speaker 1: they're fencing adminstration in a tavern whatever. This guy's probably
Speaker 1: drunk as hell and he starts tickling them. He's calling
Speaker 1: out from the crowd. He's like, you're sorry, bro, you're
Speaker 1: just too good with that whole store. There's no way
Speaker 1: you're a lady. You're probably some guys young squire trying
Speaker 1: to pretend nice tribe. You can't get one over on me,
Speaker 1: you can always tell. So Julie is like okay and
Speaker 1: rips off her shirt and gives him an eye full
Speaker 1: of her credential. She's probably just like a kitty and
Speaker 1: arrested development. She's like, okay, I got luck last going
Speaker 1: to see these And of course they didn't have a
Speaker 1: thing to say after that, because she has some nice tanage,
Speaker 1: I guess, and Jim Burrows writes quote it is said
Speaker 1: that the receipts that evening were particularly good, which I love.
Speaker 1: She pulls her shirt off and every one of the
Speaker 1: taverns like, oh, another round, we party you over here.
Speaker 1: I've been tickets for the next show where high sellers too.
Speaker 1: It's like I heard you might see boobs in this show.
Speaker 1: I hope that didn't encourage more people to be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're a woman, prove it. I know. It's just like
Speaker 1: all right, I'm not doing that again. You got to
Speaker 1: pay for these, Yes, there you go. It's a good
Speaker 1: If you need to see some boobs, just go tell
Speaker 1: a lady, if you're a woman, why don't you show
Speaker 1: me your boobs? Go? Please don't never do that. It's
Speaker 1: a different time. But when they finally breached Marseilles, San
Speaker 1: her dueling instructor and show partner had to admit to
Speaker 1: her so bas away, I remember how I said that
Speaker 1: had on this property down here. Well, I don't so
Speaker 1: much have any property down here, actually anywhere, but this story,
Speaker 1: I did not own any land. Yeah, so Julie, being
Speaker 1: just the coolest person in every way, totally forgave him.
Speaker 1: She's like, I understand, I would have told myself Allie
Speaker 1: to get me to go with me too, So I
Speaker 1: am very hot. But this did mean they needed money,
Speaker 1: so they kept up their sword shows, but they added
Speaker 1: something a little extra special. Both Julie and Saran had
Speaker 1: good voices, so they decided to include singing in their act.
Speaker 1: And then Julie got this show bug in her head.
Speaker 1: She the acting bug bit her and she started thinking,
Speaker 1: maybe I could be an opera singer, right, even though
Speaker 1: of course she didn't have any formal music training. She
Speaker 1: just had some natural talent. Now, opera was only a
Speaker 1: century old at the time, and the French opera was
Speaker 1: even younger, so that wasn't as much of a barrier
Speaker 1: her lack of training as like it would be today.
Speaker 1: For example, I feel like today you have to have
Speaker 1: a doctorate in her. But yeah, back then they were
Speaker 1: still trying to establish like the French style of apra.
Speaker 1: It was very much like Italian and German operas were big,
Speaker 1: but like they wanted like a French style, so they're
Speaker 1: still trying to figure that out. And they were like, whatever,
Speaker 1: get over here if you can, saying get over here.
Speaker 1: So she had this great voice, obviously, she had stage presence,
Speaker 1: and she had a great memory too, and that got
Speaker 1: her a gig with the Marseille Opera builled as Mademoiselle d'aubigni.
Speaker 1: And one person in the audience was particularly struck by
Speaker 1: this lovely chestnut head singer. But it was extremely scandalous
Speaker 1: because this person was a local merchant's daughter. What a
Speaker 1: woman that loves a woman. Hang on, we mentioned Marseilles,
Speaker 1: so before we go to commercial honeymoon alert, honeymoon alert,
Speaker 1: we just got to talk about Marseilles because we got
Speaker 1: to stop here for a couple of days and this
Speaker 1: city is gorgeous, I mean just stunning. If you ever
Speaker 1: get a chance to go to the south of France,
Speaker 1: go but here's what you don't do. Go on October.
Speaker 1: Roll in on Saturday October one, late at night, hungry,
Speaker 1: starving and with a bunch of plans to take a
Speaker 1: tour bus down to the coast because a couple of
Speaker 1: things happened to us. One for the tour we had
Speaker 1: planned on stopped for the season on October one, so
Speaker 1: that was out. Two. We stayed at this beautiful apartment
Speaker 1: in this amazing part of town. It was like an Airbnb.
Speaker 1: Our host was a filmmaker and his wife was this
Speaker 1: Egyptian woman who was like super cool but she was
Speaker 1: an artist. It was all this all this street are
Speaker 1: all over town, so cool area and where we get
Speaker 1: in there pretty late at night and we're starving and
Speaker 1: we go walking for food and expensive right yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of these places that were like thirty
Speaker 1: four euro uplates and we're like, wow, that's sixty our food,
Speaker 1: Like that's a lot. We just got here here, we
Speaker 1: can't spend all our money at day. We got two weeks.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so this amazing. We get to this
Speaker 1: guy and it's like a street vendor that does crapes
Speaker 1: on a cart out in the street, and we're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we're in France. This big I mean
Speaker 1: he looked like a cartoon French chef. I mean the
Speaker 1: big hat, the mustache, everything, and he's so jolly and friendly.
Speaker 1: I would make something delicious come over you and he
Speaker 1: gave us this like mint tea. This little glass is
Speaker 1: like delicious, refreshing warm, like it was just yeah, it
Speaker 1: was exactly what we needed after like the train ride everything.
Speaker 1: I was just like, ah, this is gonna be so
Speaker 1: And we were like sitting on the sidewalk, the sounds
Speaker 1: of Marseilles all around, bustle of you know, the street.
Speaker 1: I was just like, this is gonna be the best
Speaker 1: meal of my fucking life. And he starts pouring out
Speaker 1: the crape batter onto his pants and he's making it
Speaker 1: and Diana, you know, Diana gets one with chicken in it,
Speaker 1: and I'm vegetarian. I tell him that. He's all, yes,
Speaker 1: of course, I make you something. And he's got the
Speaker 1: chicken in there, and then he put some cheese on top,
Speaker 1: and then he then he cracks a couple of raw
Speaker 1: eggs inside and sort of like kind of half scrambles
Speaker 1: those around, and then he makes mine with the same
Speaker 1: thing without the chicken, hands it to us and like,
Speaker 1: this is very interesting. I never would have thought to
Speaker 1: do this. And when I tell you, and we've tried
Speaker 1: to I've tried to state what a beautiful time and
Speaker 1: what a friendly person, and what a lovely area we
Speaker 1: were in. And when I tell you, this is the
Speaker 1: grossest food I have ever put in my mouth in
Speaker 1: my life, I'm not exaggerating. We both took like a
Speaker 1: giant bite. It was like immediately we looked at each other,
Speaker 1: We're like, I've made a huge mistake. It's like the
Speaker 1: crape was sweets, but then it had this like still
Speaker 1: kind of raw scrambled egg in it, and the cheese
Speaker 1: was really sharp, and it just didn't for me. I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe it's a delicacy in Marseilles, but for
Speaker 1: me I was not. We were so hungry and I
Speaker 1: couldn't eat it, and I was just like, oh, we've
Speaker 1: we ate so much. We just had to try something.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. And he was so nice and
Speaker 1: we just like, I think maybe we took it with
Speaker 1: us just to be polite or something. And oh my god.
Speaker 1: And then the next day was Sunday in Marseille. On
Speaker 1: a Sunday, we went to our host, our Airbnb host.
Speaker 1: We said where could we go get like a delicious
Speaker 1: French pastry breakfast something like that, And he looks me
Speaker 1: dead in the eyes and says, this Sunday everything is closed,
Speaker 1: and he was not lying. He was not lying there.
Speaker 1: We walked one place open I think we got to
Speaker 1: a grocery store that was open. We a little market.
Speaker 1: We got like a baguette and some cheese and a tomato,
Speaker 1: and that was like all we could get. So we're
Speaker 1: walking through Marseilles and it's a ghost town, beautiful ghost town.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm jealous of this, Like if I
Speaker 1: lived here, I would love it. Because into a park
Speaker 1: and like everyone's there with their family playing football, you know,
Speaker 1: hanging out and like enjoying their city and their lives
Speaker 1: hours of their lives, like work, Like this is fantastic.
Speaker 1: Except for me right now, I'm so hungry. I kept
Speaker 1: freaking out. I will say. We stalked this Mediterranean cafe
Speaker 1: that was like opening at five pm. I mean seriously,
Speaker 1: it's like five pm and it's like four and we're like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to stand here and stare at him
Speaker 1: as he's clearly opening his store. Let's just pace back
Speaker 1: and forth across the block. At five oh one, we
Speaker 1: walked in and we're like, give us everything. We got
Speaker 1: all these to go containers and we took it to
Speaker 1: the park and that was some of the best food
Speaker 1: I've ever had. So and we also went to their
Speaker 1: funny zoo, which was used to be an actual zoo,
Speaker 1: but the animals were like not well treated, I guess,
Speaker 1: so they closed it and instead they put a bunch
Speaker 1: of statues of animals in all the old cages. So
Speaker 1: it's kind of really cool, like colorful paint, pink giraffe
Speaker 1: to a blue lion or whatever, and so it was
Speaker 1: just really cool, like art kind of park, and it
Speaker 1: was really nice. It was just like we did not
Speaker 1: plan properly, say, we were not ready. We were only
Speaker 1: there for the one day, so that's all we got.
Speaker 1: We'll go back, hopefully one day. So Julie did better
Speaker 1: than us. She's like, let me go get a job
Speaker 1: at this opera and we should have just become opera singers.
Speaker 1: Bell feed me, give me something, okay, all right, Well
Speaker 1: we're gonna go get something for dinner. We're gonna make
Speaker 1: some crepes and we'll be right back after this commercial break.
Speaker 1: Al right, welcome back to the show. So, yeah, there
Speaker 1: was you know, Julie singing in the opera and there's
Speaker 1: someone in the audience who's just totally stricken with her
Speaker 1: and it's another woman. Oh my god, scandal. Now, several
Speaker 1: sources said this person's name is lost to history and
Speaker 1: we'll never know who this girl was. UM, but Encyclopedia
Speaker 1: dot com says that it may be Cecilia Bortigali, so
Speaker 1: we will go with that. UM. And Julie was equally
Speaker 1: taken with Celia. Now, either she was just discovering her bisexuality,
Speaker 1: or some sources say she was just like, I'm done
Speaker 1: with men, Saron is boring me, I'm done with men
Speaker 1: for life. I'm want to try something new. Some people
Speaker 1: says she just thought Cecilia's blonde hair would look striking
Speaker 1: next to her darker hair. All about aesthetics. What a
Speaker 1: picture we would make walking arm in arm in the
Speaker 1: street contrast beautiful um. Others says she just fell madly
Speaker 1: in love with her. You know, she was just fully
Speaker 1: and I kind of that's where I'm leaning, because Julie
Speaker 1: just loved love. She fell in love a lot. Um.
Speaker 1: So they started hanging out publicly enough that people started
Speaker 1: to talk, and nobody likes that. The merchant was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, no, not no daughter of mind,
Speaker 1: and he quickly sent his daughter off to a convent
Speaker 1: and avignon for a life of chastity. He's like a
Speaker 1: few aunt marry a man, you can't marry nobody. But
Speaker 1: that did not stop Julie at all. She simply followed
Speaker 1: the girl and also joined the convent as a postulate,
Speaker 1: which is sort of like when you tour a college
Speaker 1: campus to see if you want to go there. She's
Speaker 1: like a la sister. They're like, here's a few duties,
Speaker 1: you see if you want to join the convents or not.
Speaker 1: So Cecilia shows up one day, Oh, I've been sent
Speaker 1: here to become a nun myself and I'll learn here.
Speaker 1: And Julie comes sneaking in like the next morning. Oh,
Speaker 1: you know, I just have a bug in my ear
Speaker 1: that I might want to join a content, but let
Speaker 1: me try it out a little first. I love God,
Speaker 1: and so you know, i'd love to get a feel
Speaker 1: for what it's like to be a nun. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'd love to know what it feels
Speaker 1: like to be a nun. What a nun feels like.
Speaker 1: That's what I want to know, is what I'm saying here.
Speaker 1: So likely these two are kind of hooking up, you know,
Speaker 1: in the convent. Somewhere in the cloisters. They're finding dark
Speaker 1: area to make out or something. Cloister is such a
Speaker 1: sexy word in a weird way, you know. Well, one
Speaker 1: night one of the nuns passed away, and these ladies
Speaker 1: saw their chance. So Julie dug up the court what
Speaker 1: smuggled it inside, placed it on Cecilia's bed, and she
Speaker 1: set the bed on fire. Oh my god, and she
Speaker 1: and her girlfriend escaped boom. The nuns would think Cecilia
Speaker 1: died in the fire. No one would come after them.
Speaker 1: It was the perfect crime. So you're telling me, She's like,
Speaker 1: oh no, Cecilia's beds just burst into flames on its own.
Speaker 1: I guess you had a reading light too close. She
Speaker 1: fell asleep with the cigarettes in her mouth. I know
Speaker 1: a lot of French girls smoking cigarettes on this and
Speaker 1: there's straw beds in their convents. Yeah, I don't think that.
Speaker 1: They probably like a candle fill. Yeah, you never know.
Speaker 1: It's candles are dangerous. Careful with that. Always said Cecilia's
Speaker 1: gotta be more careful with her candles. That's wild. Dug
Speaker 1: up a corpse, a nun died, and these two girls thought, oh,
Speaker 1: here's my chance. I know what to do. Now, We've
Speaker 1: got to act fast. Some people say it was a
Speaker 1: young nun, but other sources say it was elderly, and
Speaker 1: I just love the idea of her BLI let me
Speaker 1: get this old lady up there stairs at a at
Speaker 1: a convent. Right, not not very religious of them, not
Speaker 1: not very Christian, disturbing bodies, right and left. They dug
Speaker 1: up a body of a nun and then set part
Speaker 1: of a convent on fire. They're not to cover up
Speaker 1: a lesbian couple. You could not get further from incredible.
Speaker 1: But guess what c s I got there. They figured
Speaker 1: something out. There must have been some some grave dirt
Speaker 1: on the stairs, or maybe they you know, maybe they
Speaker 1: put the fire out too fast and they saw the
Speaker 1: body and we're like, well, this is clearly the woman
Speaker 1: who just died. This is sister Mary Catherine. I don't
Speaker 1: know what's she doing here. Cecilia's five ft five. This
Speaker 1: woman was six to our tallest Nune, tallest Nune. Tragically,
Speaker 1: that's how she died. She just banged her head one
Speaker 1: too many times on the low ceilings. At any rate,
Speaker 1: the convent figured out what had really gone down pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: And so while Julie and Cecilia were on the run,
Speaker 1: Julia was found guilty in absentia by the Parliament of
Speaker 1: Provence for body snatching, arson and kidnapping. I hope. They
Speaker 1: were like, surely Cecilia didn't go of her own accord. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: she must have kidnapped her. Now the sentence was death
Speaker 1: by fire for an eye stuff, right, I guess, But
Speaker 1: they sentenced Monsieur d'abonne because they just couldn't believe that
Speaker 1: a woman would do this kind of thing. Never or
Speaker 1: possibly they were just trying to save Cecilia's family the
Speaker 1: embarrassment of having it known that their daughter liked the ladies.
Speaker 1: Like a tactful like cover up. They're like a woman
Speaker 1: did what They're like, no, no, no, no, a man
Speaker 1: did it. Actually, Yeah, he loved your daughter so much.
Speaker 1: They loved you. They ran off together. Sure, this guy
Speaker 1: is definitely a man with a penis, and he is
Speaker 1: just not right for that's the main thing. So that's
Speaker 1: what that's the one thing that's wrong with him is
Speaker 1: that he's totally dude. He's just not right for Cecilia
Speaker 1: because he sets dead nuns on fire like it's not
Speaker 1: exactly anybody's top choice for their daughter's lover. I guess
Speaker 1: that's now. Julie and Cecilia were on the run together
Speaker 1: for three months. According to Rejected Princesses dot Com, Julie
Speaker 1: got bored and sent Cecilia home to her family. Usually
Speaker 1: is not not exactly known for her commitments. True, like
Speaker 1: I'm done with you, go home, I'm finished now. On
Speaker 1: the other hand, encyclopedia dot Com says that Cecilia went
Speaker 1: home after Julie had a fling with a musketeer. You
Speaker 1: know which which one of the three Musketeers d'Artagnan, probably right,
Speaker 1: obviously obviously, or Oliver Platt maybe where one he was?
Speaker 1: But Robbi Disney three Musketeers fans out there, all six
Speaker 1: of you is classic film. That's such a weird movie.
Speaker 1: Who was like, yeah, give me key for Sutherland, Chris
Speaker 1: O'Donnell Oliver Platts, and uh key for Subtleman Chris O'Donnell
Speaker 1: Oliver Platt, and I immediately went to Jeremy Irons. But
Speaker 1: that's uh no, isn't that man in the iron mask?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Charlie Sheen. Charlie Sheen. I looked up
Speaker 1: three Musketeers Disney, and it's a Three Musketeers Disney Mickey
Speaker 1: Donald and Goofy The Three Musketeers also a classic, A
Speaker 1: bit of a different film anyway. Anyway, Julietta flaying with
Speaker 1: the fifth Musketeer, possibly Cecilia, went home after that. But
Speaker 1: Kelly Gardner, who researched Julie for five years to write
Speaker 1: her novel Goddess, says that just eventually their luck ran
Speaker 1: out Julie and Cecilia, and the law descended on them,
Speaker 1: and Cecilia was captured and Julie fought off all kinds
Speaker 1: of guys who came after them and killed one in
Speaker 1: order to escape. Damn girl, so very exciting in Kelly's
Speaker 1: version of this story. But whatever happened, the two of
Speaker 1: them parted ways and Julie was on her own again.
Speaker 1: But Julie had no problem with that. You know, she's
Speaker 1: all right. She lived that van life. She's like hopping
Speaker 1: around France being a nomad. She's still dressed in men's clothes.
Speaker 1: She would sing for her supper like she and Saraon
Speaker 1: had done. And in the south of France she met
Speaker 1: a man named Marischal who was a comedy actor and singer,
Speaker 1: and he like instantly recognized that Julie had a talent
Speaker 1: that could not be wasted. He's probably in the tavern
Speaker 1: watching her do her thing, and he's like, I can't
Speaker 1: you just want to look at her, you know that
Speaker 1: star power. You can't teach that. You need to do
Speaker 1: something with yourself, and he offered to teach her, so
Speaker 1: she accepted. Encyclopedia dot Com calls him quote a stern,
Speaker 1: competent teacher who insisted she makes the Paris Opera her goal,
Speaker 1: and Julie was impressed with his skill as a comedian
Speaker 1: and a musician. She wrote, quote what he taught me
Speaker 1: was a true revelation. But unfortunately Marshall was also a
Speaker 1: terrible alcoholic. She met him at a bar after all, Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you need a hands down, there in alcohol and
Speaker 1: they're definitely drinking too much. No, you know, he probably
Speaker 1: was just there every night. Yeah and yeah, after a
Speaker 1: few months, it's kind of started getting the way of
Speaker 1: his teaching. I think he is pretty far along in
Speaker 1: his alcoholic journey by the time A cross paths, because
Speaker 1: Jim Burrows writes that he quote began to fall into incoherence,
Speaker 1: so he sent her away. He told her, go to Paris,
Speaker 1: get a job in the theater. If you apply yourself,
Speaker 1: fame and fortune will be yours. And so Julie had
Speaker 1: gotten some of the training that she would need if
Speaker 1: she ever got an audition with the Paris Opera. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, once she figured out how to get rid
Speaker 1: of this pesky death sentence by yire that she's got
Speaker 1: hanging over because she set that dead nun on fire.
Speaker 1: Because of that, un, let me go to Oh wait,
Speaker 1: I had set that dead nun on fire. Well well,
Speaker 1: well if it isn't, the consequences of my actions, can't
Speaker 1: dule those. So anyway, she's like, well, we'll figure that
Speaker 1: out on the way, and she started to make her
Speaker 1: way back to Paris. Of course she did, and we
Speaker 1: will find out what happens then. Right after this, welcome
Speaker 1: back to Ridiculous Romance everyone. So Julia is out here
Speaker 1: on her way to Paris. She's singing in taverns, she's
Speaker 1: dressed as a man, she's paying her way, and one
Speaker 1: night she got heckled by another drunk in the audience
Speaker 1: and he called out, quote, tell me a pretty bird.
Speaker 1: I've listened to your chirping, But now tell me of
Speaker 1: your plumage. I guess this guy heard about the last
Speaker 1: time she got heckled, and he was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: see some boobs tonight. Let me see that plumage. Never rejected,
Speaker 1: Princesses says, this is basically a way to ask if
Speaker 1: the carpet matched the drakes, you know, gros very gross. Well,
Speaker 1: this time she did not rip off her shirt. She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not starting this trend. Instead, she drew her swords. Damn. Now, Instantly,
Speaker 1: this heckler and two of his friends stood up. They
Speaker 1: rose to the challenge. We'll take you, and they all
Speaker 1: went out to the courtyard and out here they started
Speaker 1: a duel, and Julie either fought them either in succession,
Speaker 1: one at a time, or possibly took on all three
Speaker 1: at once. Cling, clang, they're fighting, She's dodging, She's perry thrust,
Speaker 1: perry sweep stab like catching the blade. Perry and thrust
Speaker 1: are the only two words I know. There's probably some
Speaker 1: others fencing terms in there. Yes, Oh, I am not
Speaker 1: left handed. It's so exciting, amazing, Magic's picture. It's incredible
Speaker 1: fights Royal Coxta. But in the end their skill was
Speaker 1: no match for Julie's and she ran the heckler clean
Speaker 1: through his shoulder out he was able to twist his
Speaker 1: head and look and see the blade sticking out the back,
Speaker 1: red with his blood. Ah, that's so gross. I've been skewered.
Speaker 1: He's like, Oh, it's not so bad, is it, And
Speaker 1: then he looks back. That was wrong, but a scratch.
Speaker 1: So the duel ends. But the next day Julie just
Speaker 1: felt kind of bad about it. She was like, I
Speaker 1: clearly was better than those guys. I took advantage of
Speaker 1: their idiocy, their drunkenness was very gentlemanly. Of Yeah. So
Speaker 1: she went down to the local surgeon to check on
Speaker 1: the guy. She's like, hey, that that guy who came
Speaker 1: in last night with a sword through his shoulder. How's
Speaker 1: he doing all right? And the surgeon said, he's fine,
Speaker 1: he's going to recover. And the heckler's name was Luis
Speaker 1: Joseph Dalbert the Loins and he was the darling son
Speaker 1: of a duke. So that night Delbert's friends called on.
Speaker 1: Julian said Delbert wanted to apologize for insulting her when
Speaker 1: he was drunk. He probably woke. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I was real stupid. Yeah, I told her to take
Speaker 1: her shirt off. Of course she drew her sword. I
Speaker 1: gotta stop shoot my mouth off. Somebody's gonna shoot my
Speaker 1: mouth off next time. Three bottles, not four. It's all
Speaker 1: about moderation, Delbert. Now, Julie said that she would come
Speaker 1: see him herself Speculation station. I'm thinking like, once she
Speaker 1: learned who he was, she was like, oh, the son
Speaker 1: of a duke, this guy could be a good friend
Speaker 1: for me to have. Oh, I could use some friends
Speaker 1: in high places. I mean, yeah, she got this. She
Speaker 1: just got some problems with the law, and we know
Speaker 1: noble people not always have to follow the law. So
Speaker 1: she's like, maybe this guy can be helpful to me.
Speaker 1: So she's like, I'll get pretty, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I try to you know, let me use all my charms. Yeah,
Speaker 1: show him some of that plumage about. So that night,
Speaker 1: dressed as her womanly self, she called on Delbet in
Speaker 1: his room, and boy did she call on him. She
Speaker 1: called on him a couple of times, I think because
Speaker 1: the two of them began a passionate love affair. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was like, you stabbed me with your sword, now
Speaker 1: maybe and she was like, I don't need that metaphor
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you? How about you just please introduce
Speaker 1: me to your father later sword and sheath jokes here,
Speaker 1: Please thank you. But unfortunately their little love affair was
Speaker 1: cut short when Delbet recovered and he was called back
Speaker 1: to join his regiment in Germany. But their relationship would continue.
Speaker 1: It was basically a lifelong love affair, even though they
Speaker 1: would both have many lovers. Anytime they were in the
Speaker 1: same place at the same time, they would get it on,
Speaker 1: like I missed that, Dalbert d you're in town. In town, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, we both got partners, but fuck them by
Speaker 1: not sucking them, sucking me. But then in whom Julie
Speaker 1: picked up a new man. That's Julie's way. She likes
Speaker 1: to have a companion. And this guy's name is Gabrielle
Speaker 1: Vincent Tavennard, who was the son of a caterer and
Speaker 1: he had left his dad's business behind to pursue his
Speaker 1: dream to be a singer. Oh my god, how many
Speaker 1: singers out there abandoned their father's catering business. I think
Speaker 1: I know several people who did that, right except sim
Speaker 1: their father their serving job. But I love it, and
Speaker 1: he did have a great voice. He was already on
Speaker 1: his way to Paris to try out for the Paris Opera.
Speaker 1: So they had very similar goals. And you know, we
Speaker 1: already know about Julie's many a prodigious charm, so he
Speaker 1: was like, hello, who is this And so these two
Speaker 1: were like drawn together like flies to honey, and they
Speaker 1: sang together in the provinces to make money. But again,
Speaker 1: the goal is Paris, and Julie is like, I gotta
Speaker 1: figure out what to do about this old warrant and
Speaker 1: execution problem that I wonder if he's like come to
Speaker 1: Paris with me. And she's like, yeah about that. See,
Speaker 1: they want to set me on fire, so I gotta
Speaker 1: figure that out first um, And eventually she thought she
Speaker 1: hit on just the guy to fix this for her.
Speaker 1: Her very first lover, Count darmagn yuck Oh. Count is
Speaker 1: the King's master of horse. He can whisper in his
Speaker 1: her dad's boss, her dad's boss, her lover, her guardian,
Speaker 1: her dad boyfriend or whatever he said. So she snuck
Speaker 1: onto his country estate in Marie in disguise. She's like, knock, knock, knock,
Speaker 1: the like who's this guy, and she's like, surprise, it's
Speaker 1: just me. Your teenage lover, and she's like, hey, can
Speaker 1: you help me out with this teeny little problem I
Speaker 1: have where the king wants me dead? And the count
Speaker 1: agreed to help her. He went to King Louis to
Speaker 1: plead for her, and apparently the King had been secretly
Speaker 1: amused by her little convent exploit, which I love, to
Speaker 1: be honest, that would have done the same thing. Who
Speaker 1: amongst us is on fire? Who amongst us hasn't burned
Speaker 1: the nun corps to run off with our lover? So
Speaker 1: he gave her a full pardon and annulled the warrant
Speaker 1: against her. I love Louis fourteen, so he was like,
Speaker 1: as long as you're vibing with me, everything you do
Speaker 1: is cool. Meanwhile, tavin Ard went to audition for the
Speaker 1: Paris Opera and he was immediately accepted. Again great boys,
Speaker 1: he was, he had the goods. But then he was like, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: can my girlfriend come to They were like, that's not
Speaker 1: how it works. They were apparently very reluctant, but they
Speaker 1: gave Julie an audition as well, maybe because she also
Speaker 1: used some of these other powerful friends at her disposal.
Speaker 1: They had a few people being like Julie Dabin, Julie
Speaker 1: Darbiny and fine, fine, now listen to her singan was
Speaker 1: the Paris oppers, probably like the woman who just got
Speaker 1: a pardon from the King, I know, right, I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: that's true too. It's because she already was a little notorious.
Speaker 1: They might have just been like, you know what, I
Speaker 1: don't care if she can say, because she will sell
Speaker 1: a ticket just because people want to see this lady
Speaker 1: who set them on fire. But she was free from
Speaker 1: this death sentence. Now she was free to appear for
Speaker 1: this audition, and she got herself a gig and one
Speaker 1: of the best musical companies in the world at only
Speaker 1: twenty years old. So if you're above twenty, it's too late.
Speaker 1: You're telling me all this happened before she was twenty.
Speaker 1: This girl fitt it, packed it in and like I
Speaker 1: had barely left the house by the time I was twenty,
Speaker 1: and she's running all over France. And by the time
Speaker 1: she's eighteen, she's already said a nun on fire. She's
Speaker 1: going to run with her lover. I haven't said any
Speaker 1: nuns on and I hope to continue that. That's a
Speaker 1: good trend. It's a regular goal of mine. We don't
Speaker 1: have not set any fires at convents. We don't have
Speaker 1: any powerful friends to get the king to pardon. You know,
Speaker 1: we don't, But I'll say that's not the reason that
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna set any fires at convents. Oh what
Speaker 1: are you? A good person? And just getting I feel
Speaker 1: like you don't even have to be a particularly good
Speaker 1: person to not set a fire at a convent on
Speaker 1: a dead nuns corpse, That's true. You just have to
Speaker 1: be a real daring ardience and catch you with gal. So, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Julie got herself a gig at the Paris Opera alongside
Speaker 1: her current boyfriend's haven our, and she was about to
Speaker 1: become the famous opera singer La, which is the other
Speaker 1: name she's best known as um. So She's got a
Speaker 1: whole career ahead of her, many many more exploits with
Speaker 1: men and women alike. Yes ahead, And we had to
Speaker 1: save that for part two. Yeah, stay tuned for the
Speaker 1: rest of Julie's life, La, because just like we said,
Speaker 1: equally wild and action packs and adventurous, she kept it shocked,
Speaker 1: it moving, shocking stuff. I'm so excited, always fighting, always
Speaker 1: fallen in love, always make it out. Yes, Thank you
Speaker 1: Andrea for sending this story, because like, what's so fun?
Speaker 1: This is one of those stories where I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is why we do this, show man. There's so much
Speaker 1: ridiculous about it too. It's just so many things that
Speaker 1: I think. Particularly, I love that the sun King is
Speaker 1: just like that was pretty funny. Thought pretty alright, girl,
Speaker 1: you are don't do it again. But you know what
Speaker 1: I say, that's pretty good. This is like people don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think people live lives like this anymore. How
Speaker 1: can you? You can't? You can't because think about I mean,
Speaker 1: this is how you this is. This is an era
Speaker 1: where like, especially if you're comfortable, you know, and you're
Speaker 1: not living in the dirt, you've got some skill, you've
Speaker 1: had an education, uh, and you're pretty what do you've
Speaker 1: got time? You know, You've got so much time and
Speaker 1: how do you fill it besides like just making a
Speaker 1: game out of everything and just having fun and just
Speaker 1: doing what you want and dealing with the consequences later.
Speaker 1: Like there's something obviously very few of us can live
Speaker 1: like that, but man, what a dream. Yeah, And there's
Speaker 1: something funny about the dueling period of history. It was
Speaker 1: just like you brushed up against me. I challenge you, sir,
Speaker 1: I would like you to answer for that insult, and
Speaker 1: you literally would drop would cross swords over it. Now
Speaker 1: in a way, so it's like a Wild westy or
Speaker 1: even now where people like I'm going to pull a
Speaker 1: gun on you. But at least then you know, you
Speaker 1: could just like pink him in the arm, you know,
Speaker 1: which is when you just kind of got him, got
Speaker 1: him in the shoulder. You made your point, but nobody's dead.
Speaker 1: It was about getting someone to yield. Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 1: first blood, you're done, you know, you don't need to
Speaker 1: or you just knock them down, you know. Or I
Speaker 1: think in Hamiltons they talked about this where they would
Speaker 1: often shoot into the air, like I know that I
Speaker 1: did something wrong. You were right to call me out
Speaker 1: here and say I insulted your wife for you or
Speaker 1: did something wrong, but I'm not going to kill you
Speaker 1: for it. It's gonna shoot in the air. I diloped
Speaker 1: is what it's called. I diloped, diloped. Yeah, but anyway,
Speaker 1: so I just think it's so funny. They were like
Speaker 1: the only way to solve this problem is with steel,
Speaker 1: you know. That is kind of exciting. And then and
Speaker 1: that that people accepted that as a resolution, right, like, damn,
Speaker 1: I was beat. I guess he was right. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know there's or even if even if he's not,
Speaker 1: even if it's not a duel of the death, it's
Speaker 1: still just like I accept defeat. I was in the
Speaker 1: wrong because the duel decided that. Not like a moral
Speaker 1: philosophical conversation about right and wrong, but just like I
Speaker 1: think there might I wonder if there's a religious aspect
Speaker 1: of that. I know in some duels it's been like,
Speaker 1: you know, especially religious duels, if I won, it's God's
Speaker 1: will and God is saying that I was right, tecting
Speaker 1: me and stuff. That's interesting. I didn't think about that.
Speaker 1: Probably not in Julie's case. She seemed pretty secular. I
Speaker 1: think she probably did not care. It was right around
Speaker 1: the time that she what was it when she dug
Speaker 1: up the dead nun made me think, But I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't think she's a religious person, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: just she's such a she's so seventeenth century France, you know,
Speaker 1: like she really embodies the time. Because it was just
Speaker 1: like what can you get away with? I will love
Speaker 1: whoever I want It's about the vibes in the aesthetics,
Speaker 1: you know, like that's seven that is seventeenth century France.
Speaker 1: To me, just the King was like, you're vibing, your
Speaker 1: aesthetics are great. Yeah, it's really like I'm into your
Speaker 1: whole thing, so I'm just gonna let it go. Also
Speaker 1: like yeah, I can sing, I can get pretty, I
Speaker 1: can get dirty, I can kick your ass, I can
Speaker 1: charm the hell out of you, I can do all
Speaker 1: these things like that is that is uniquely French right
Speaker 1: doing it. I love it. What an exciting story. I
Speaker 1: can't wait for pit again. I mean, we've got several
Speaker 1: more years of her life left and she packed it in.
Speaker 1: There's so much to come, right, and we've got to
Speaker 1: go pack it in ourselves because again we're we're crossing
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