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Speaker 1: closing ranks around the search for Vanessa. But why crime

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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime

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Speaker 1: stories and let's kick it off. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 1: Investigators say, the twenty year old soldier was last seen

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Speaker 1: it was world party to your wife being like a dame.

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Speaker 1: Do you know it would be easy for her to

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Speaker 1: choose the other route and let her. She would come

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Speaker 1: home every weekend to Myra, says her sisters the world

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Speaker 1: time with the army. CID is encouraging anyone with information

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Speaker 1: What the hay is going on? She's been missing since April. Guys,

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Speaker 1: you're just hearing our friend Nis your poor Jasmine Caldwell.

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Speaker 1: Where is Vanessa? Joining me right now and all star

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Speaker 1: paddles starting with Jim Elliott, renowned detorney, joining us from

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Speaker 1: butlersnow dot com representing multiple municipalities. Doctor Angela Arnold Psychiatrists

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Speaker 1: joining me from the Atlanta jurisdiction. Cloyd Steiger thirty six

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Speaker 1: of Seattle's Forgotten serial killer, Gary Jane Grant. You can

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Speaker 1: find him at Cloyd Steiger dot com. Our longtime friend

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Speaker 1: and colleague from Texas Equisearch, a victim turned victim's hero,

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Speaker 1: Tim Miller. But right now straight out to Olivia, Levada

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Speaker 1: with k x x v TV. Olivia, thank you for

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Speaker 1: little to none movement on the search for Vanessa. In fact,

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Speaker 1: as you know, Olivia, I have just been gone on

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Speaker 1: that's been missing from fort Hood for a year, I'll

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Speaker 1: I feel like the Army's not really helping as much

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Speaker 1: it seems to take on a nefarious bent. Let's stick

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Speaker 1: with the facts. Start at the beginning, when Vanessa goes missing,

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Speaker 1: Olivia Levada, Yes, Nancy, Well, Vanessa Gain has been missing

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Speaker 1: since April twenty seconds, so that is just over two months.

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Speaker 1: We know that she is assigned to the third Cavalry

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Speaker 1: twenty two near her regimental squadron. So let me narrow

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Speaker 1: would think of all places the army would have surveillance videos,

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Speaker 1: locating this missing Fort Hood soldier. This is twenty year

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Speaker 1: phone was traveling. But the phone went immediately dead, and

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Speaker 1: that's why they feel as though that phone was thrown

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Speaker 1: in in some water to immediately kill it Crime Stories

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00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the disappearance

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Speaker 1: of a twenty year old private first class in the

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Speaker 1: Army of Vanessa Again and a lot of mystery is

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00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: shrouding the facts around her disappearance. We believe she went

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00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: missing there at work, called him mysteriously on a day

436
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: off at Fort Hood. This is just days after revealing

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Speaker 1: she had been sex harrassed multiple times within the Army.

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00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: Now the case has gained the attention of the beautiful

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Speaker 1: and talented Salmahayak. Take a listen. It's been almost two

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00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: months since Vaness again has been heard from or seen,

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00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: and her family has continued to push for answers. But

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00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: this week it seems there's been a new energy brought

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00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: to her case. Salmahayak posted about the missing Fort Hood

444
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: soldier twice in twenty four hours, and that's major because

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00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: she has fifteen million people who follow her, which really

446
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: increases the visibility on this case. And then this last

447
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: night in Colleen, a rally held with hundreds of people

448
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: chanting her name, wearing shirt with her face on it.

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00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: This is just such a mystery to Guin's family. They

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Speaker 1: say this isn't like her at all. She hasn't been

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00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: seen or heard from since April twenty second. All of

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Speaker 1: her things were found in the armory where she was working,

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Speaker 1: except for her cell phone. Her family says she was

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Speaker 1: having a problem with someone else at Fort Hood before

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Speaker 1: her disappearance. They are keeping hope that the twenty year

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Speaker 1: old Houston native is still alive. Let me give you

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Speaker 1: the tip lines again. Army CID two five four four

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Speaker 1: nine five seven seven sixty seven. Possibly a better number

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Speaker 1: is LULAC League of United Latin American Citizens two one

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Speaker 1: four nine one four eighty three hundred repeat two one

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Speaker 1: four nine four one eighty three hundred. Not only has

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Speaker 1: some hyatt joined in the effort to find Vanessa take

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Speaker 1: a listen at you. ABC thirteen Houston reporter Steve Campion.

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Speaker 1: Congresswoman Sylvia Garcia is now involved after family said Vanessa

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Speaker 1: expressed being sexually harassed prior to her disappearance. The military

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Speaker 1: says they've received no credible information about those allegations. A

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Speaker 1: spokesperson told us in a statement, quote, we are completely

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Speaker 1: committed to finding Vanessa and aggressively going after every single

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00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: piece of credible information and every lead in this investigation.

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Speaker 1: We will not stop until we find Vanessa. End quote.

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Speaker 1: Today we learned Texas Equisearch founder Tim Miller plans to

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Speaker 1: return to Fort Hood as they hope to help in

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Speaker 1: search efforts. Would I suggested wild play was probably involved

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Speaker 1: in you know, my experience, and I'm gonna say yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean that, this is certainly shoutnut. I suspect that.

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00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: I think everybody else that's been involved suspects that. But again,

477
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: investigator as keeping it closer, their rest and the outrage,

478
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: the growing concern seems to be only mounting by the day.

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00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: Her family plans to go to Ford Hood on Thursday. Again,

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Speaker 1: the reward is now over fifty thousand dollars for information

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00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: about Vanessa. As a matter of fact, it's fifty thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars and growing. And then, to further muddy the water,

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00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: we find out that remains are found near Fort Hood

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Speaker 1: Army Base and they are another young person, another young

485
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Speaker 1: service person in their twenties. To Olivia Leveda k xx VTV, Wow,

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00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: that's quite the coinkie. Inc that a nobody at Fort

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Speaker 1: Hood seems to know anything about Vanessa Gin's sex harassment concerns.

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Speaker 1: And to another body, of a missing person pops up

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Speaker 1: at Fort Hood. Wow, that's certainly something, isn't it. What

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Speaker 1: can you tell me about the remains found? So the

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00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: remains were found this past Friday, CID, the US Army

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00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: CID received the tip about a body in a field

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00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: just a couple of miles away from Courthood and Friday

494
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: night we were all there was a lot of speculation

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00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: on who that person could be. We knew the Army

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00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: was involved. I also knew that there were two missing soldiers.

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Speaker 1: Vanessa Gean has been you know, taking headlines and things

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00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,959
Speaker 1: like that. But we've also been looking for private second

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Speaker 1: class Gregory Morales since August twenty nineteen, and it was

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Speaker 1: later confirmed that it was him after almost a year

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Speaker 1: of him being missing. In him just vanishing from Kaleen,

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Speaker 1: which is the city right outside Courthood. Now that's why

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Speaker 1: understanding that this young man was last seen driving his

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00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: own vehicle, find it very difficult to understand. Why did

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00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: he just happen to turn up body only in a

506
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: field about a mile away from Fort Hood? Where was

507
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: his car? What happened to him? And isn't it true

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00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: he had issues and he was about to be discharged

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00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: from the Army. Correct, Yes, this is this is true.

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00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: He was just days away from being discharged, and you're

511
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: exactly right. He was last seen driving his car in Kaleen.

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Speaker 1: I know that there wasn't a reward for information leading

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00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: to his whereabouts until recently, so I'm not sure if

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00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: that had something to do with the tip coming in,

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Speaker 1: But like I said, we've been covering stories on him

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Speaker 1: for months. To Chloyd Steiger thirty six years Seattle, PD. Cloyd.

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Speaker 1: So you've got two young service people, very young in

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Speaker 1: their early twenties. One is about to be discharged, very curious.

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00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: Why had he made some sort of a complaint about

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00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: something that was happening. Was he having an issue at

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00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: Fort Hood? And then you have Vanessa Gian who is

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Speaker 1: having is being sex harassed. According to her, I have

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Speaker 1: no reason to disbelieve her, and now she goes missing.

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Speaker 1: That's quite the coincidence, Cloyd Stiger. It is although Fort

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Speaker 1: Hood is a very big base with a lot of

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Speaker 1: people there, and you know that I lived there Fort Louis, Washington,

527
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: which is a comporablie sized space, and things like that

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00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: happened here too. People go missing and vanish without a

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00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: trace or their bodies are found, Yeah, pretty regular, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean individually. Yeah, it's a big thing, just like

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Speaker 1: any big city. It is a big city, so of

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00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: all the people who live there and things happen, and

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Speaker 1: maybe they're related, but maybe they're not. That's true. They

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00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: can't be lumped together. But to me, that's a big

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Speaker 1: red flag too, Doctor Angela. Arnold Kaiser's joining us from

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela. The army is saying they

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Speaker 1: knew nothing about the sex harassment complaints. What do you

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Speaker 1: make of that? I mean, that could be true. I'm

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00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: not sure that I buy it. Well, I don't buy it.

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Speaker 1: She made a complaint. How could they not know about it?

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Speaker 1: So did they cover it up from the room beginning?

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Speaker 1: She did not make a formal complaint, doctor Angela. She could.

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Speaker 1: I know where you're getting that. She complained to her family.

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Speaker 1: She did not con file a formal complaint because she

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Speaker 1: was afraid it would ruin her army career should be over.

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Speaker 1: And she's probably right, and I believe she was very

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Speaker 1: afraid that she because she never mentioned the person's name,

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00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: did she? I do know that she mentioned to her

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00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: family the name of a fellow officer that burst in

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00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: on her while she was taking a shower. But I

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00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: think that there were other issues, other sex harass complaints

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00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: that were happening to her, either with a co worker

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00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: or a superior there at fort Hood. So to Jim

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00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 1: Elliott attorney, Butler snow joining us, isn't it true? Although

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00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: the law says it, there's not supposed to be retaliation

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00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: once you file a sex harrassment complaint, very often there

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00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: is retaliation. Isn't that true? Absolutely? And I you know

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00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: that happens a lot of that is so earlier to

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Speaker 1: your guess earlier comment about why women, I guess others

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00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: don't bring those because they know they will be in

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Speaker 1: that effect their career. You think, anty, I'll say, I

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00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: mean to me, gosh, murdering someone in retaliation for sexual

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00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: harassment allegation seems ridiculous. But let's think about the other

564
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: person that would ruin their career as well, ruin their career,

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00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: ruin their relationship with their why or girlfriend, that they

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Speaker 1: have one even number of things, any number of repercussions. Guys,

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Speaker 1: we joined the search for Vanessa gain two one four

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Speaker 1: nine four one eighty three hundred. Nancy Grays crime story,

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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,