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Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter. I've spent thousands of days

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Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard

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Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.

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Speaker 1: This is Cutting the Distance. Welcome back everyone. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: for another episode of Cutting the Distance, and once again

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Speaker 1: we head to the mail sack. This is where I

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Speaker 1: future episodes as well. Things that get asked a lot.

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Speaker 1: We kind of build out specific episodes on that, so

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Speaker 1: I appreciate everybody sending those in. This Q and A

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Speaker 1: is a little different because this is the first Cutting

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Speaker 1: the Distance Q and A that I have been doing

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Speaker 1: as a father. I just had a baby this last weekend,

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Speaker 1: our first child. My wife and I baby girl. Everybody's healthy,

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Speaker 1: jump here into the first question and get this thing rolling,

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Speaker 1: all right. This first question comes from Tyson. He says,

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Speaker 1: thanks for remy. Unfortunately I wasn't able to get time

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Speaker 1: I live in Washington and hunt mostly on the northwestern

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Speaker 1: side of the state. I haven't heard much about using

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Speaker 1: them in your professional opinion. Are they worth the try

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Speaker 1: for deer Bear or even ILK? If so, do you

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Speaker 1: have any brands you trust or is it just better

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Speaker 1: to go without? Thanks for your time. That's a really

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Speaker 1: good question. Um, here's here's my thought on cover sense.

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Speaker 1: use natural things just to kind of mask my odor.

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Speaker 1: A little bit. If I know that I'm like hiking

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Speaker 1: I'll grab something rub down with it, maybe like pine bows, sage, whatever.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've I've hunted with people that they'll like

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Speaker 1: cover sent which is it smells like in elk. Well,

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Speaker 1: There's been probably I don't even know, a very very

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Speaker 1: So if you're around, you can make it swing out there.

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Speaker 1: I love to see you guys, love to answer your questions.

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Speaker 1: Say hey, um, I also uh for our solo Hunter

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the next question. This

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Speaker 1: question comes from Carter. He lives in Minnesota. He says, Hey, Remy,

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Speaker 1: just finished up listening to your Hunter podcast. I'm proud

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Uh, he says, I can say it has

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Speaker 1: making a great podcast, Carter. That's that's a good question.

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Speaker 1: Like you read an Elcoming magazine. They're like, don't don't overcall,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna take me an hour and a half to

427
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Speaker 1: get there. Absolutely, go go right now, because you will

428
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,920
Speaker 1: make it there in time to shoot that bull. But

429
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 1: in the morning you probably won't. And why is that

430
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,120
Speaker 1: Because in the morning that animals feeding and then going

431
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 1: to bed. In the evening, that animals leaving from cover

432
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 1: and coming out to feed and will probably feed till dark.

433
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 1: So you kind of have to anticipate what that animals doing,

434
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 1: and that's going to tell you how long you have

435
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,440
Speaker 1: or how long you can expect that animal to hang around. Now,

436
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 1: another thing is like forethought thinking okay, what do they

437
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 1: need next and where are they going? And also saying okay,

438
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 1: if I see now it's the morning time and I

439
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 1: see an elk out in the meadow, and I go, okay,

440
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,400
Speaker 1: I can I can hump it, I can sprint there,

441
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 1: I can run, I can get there in fifteen minutes.

442
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 1: Then it's like, yeah, you're gonna do it. You're gonna

443
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 1: take that chance, because um, you're gonna use the hard

444
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 1: way might be also you gotta go fast. Sometimes it's

445
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 1: not necessarily the further or a long way around, but

446
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 1: you just go I see an animal here, now, I

447
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,679
Speaker 1: gotta make my move now, and I gotta beat it

448
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 1: to that spot. There's been many times where I've mule

449
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 1: your hunting, glassing across the ridge, the winds good, whatever.

450
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: I see this deer pop up, and I see this

451
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 1: band of rocks, and I say, if I can get

452
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 1: to that rock where the animals going before it gets there,

453
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to be successful. And that might mean damn

454
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 1: near sprinting up the mountain. And I've done that more

455
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: times than not when I'm guiding, when I'm hunting, there's

456
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: a lot of these times where it's like, I see

457
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: the animals, We got to make a move, and the

458
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 1: hard way is not. The easy way is going fast

459
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 1: in some in many instances, but there's also that time

460
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,959
Speaker 1: of going like, hey, sometimes the hard way is just

461
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,439
Speaker 1: being patient saying, like, why am I going to go

462
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: right now? When I know that I get over there,

463
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna be gone when I could anticipate um and

464
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: make a better play for another time. So I see

465
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 1: the elk out in there, it's feeding, it's morning, and

466
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm too far away to get there within that amount

467
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: of time that I think you're gonna stay there. So

468
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 1: what should I do? Well, I can keep hunting around,

469
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: looking around, and then tonight I'm just gonna go being

470
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: a closer position where I can still glass that. But

471
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 1: when it comes out, I'm gonna be able to make

472
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: a move. And that's something to think about, or say,

473
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: it's a meal here and you go, hey, I'm gonna

474
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: just instead try to watch and wait until he beds

475
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: or gets into a good place where I think he's

476
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 1: gonna hang out long enough for me to get there

477
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 1: and make my stock. This next sun comes from Nick.

478
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,719
Speaker 1: He says, Remy, during a fire band, what's your favorite

479
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: way to cook trout out in the back country. That's

480
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: a really good question. When you can't have an open fire, Uh,

481
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: whether you've got like a stove or a jet boil

482
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: or whatever. I like to bring a little packet of um,

483
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 1: it's like coconut oil. It's like in a little single

484
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: serve cocon oil pack, So I'll throw that in there.

485
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 1: I used to this, This little recipe is grown over

486
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: the years because they used to not have like single

487
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: serve packs like that. What I used to do is

488
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 1: I used to go to KFC and ask for a

489
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 1: bunch of those butter packs, those like mayonnaise style butter packs,

490
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: and then I would use that little butter pack that

491
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 1: they gave with their biscuits for my back country trout.

492
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: So I'd like save those up over the years, every

493
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: time I go somewhere where there's like a KFC, like, hey,

494
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: can I get a handful of the butter packs, And

495
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: that's just like I'd save those for backcountry trout cooking.

496
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 1: But um, use my stove. I'll often bring a little

497
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: fry pan. Now, even if you let's say you're backpacking

498
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: with a setup that's got you got like a jet boil, right,

499
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 1: and you go like, well you've got the pot, I'll

500
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: bring a little fry pan. Now, you can't set the

501
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 1: fry pan on top of that jet boil or your

502
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: your little stove thing if it's not designed for that

503
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: so I'll build like a little rock shelf to hold

504
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 1: the pan high enough above that so it doesn't sit

505
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 1: right on it and melt my uh back country cooker.

506
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: I figured that out because I've actually caught a jet

507
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: boil on fire, and that was the last time I

508
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: used a jet boil, and then I really understood why

509
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: it happened. Um, that was kind of when they first

510
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: came out. But um, just something to think about. So

511
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: you use your stove, a little bit of oil in there,

512
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: get it hot. I then use just a little bit

513
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: of lemon, pepper, garlic, salt, season the fish, and then

514
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: quick fry it in that oil. And that's an incredible

515
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: way to have some back country treat some back country trout. Alright.

516
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: This next question comes from Mitch says, Hey, Remmy, I

517
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: was hoping you could take some time to answer a

518
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: couple of questions I had about meat care and hide care,

519
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: or point me in the direction of some content you

520
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: might have discussing the topic. To set the scene, my

521
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: brother and I are doing a two week float hunt

522
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 1: for caribou in Inland, Alaska next year during August. We

523
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: will each have pack rafts and dry bags, but no coolers.

524
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: Or anything like that. For meat, how do you recommend

525
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: preserving the meat in the cape if we kill one

526
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: early in the trip. Please let me know your thoughts.

527
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: Thanks for your time. That's a really good question. When

528
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: it comes to meet care and uh a long amount

529
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: of time, you know you're you're gonna be playing this

530
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,719
Speaker 1: very delicate balancing game. And when you add in water

531
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: and rafts, it kind of multiplies or or makes the

532
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: problem more complex. So I would say there's a few

533
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: things you have to worry about and consider when you're

534
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: doing a float type hunt like this, even now, especially

535
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: in August. So August it's gonna be a little bit warmer,

536
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: you might get those lower temperatures, but um, you know,

537
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: you kind of are gonna have to play it by

538
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: your It might be a thing where if you shoot

539
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: a caribou early in the trip, you might kind of

540
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: have to You're gonna be up against the clock, is

541
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And that's just the realistic expectation of it.

542
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: I don't think you can expect the to go shoot

543
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: it on the first day of a two week trip

544
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: and everything be kosher. By the end. The meat will

545
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: probably taste a little rank and mainten spoil. But it

546
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: depends on the temperatures out there. So if it's cool temperatures, um,

547
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: everything is gonna be fine. You know. You you could

548
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: definitely go those you could go ten days or whatever. Um.

549
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: But I will say, you know, you might have to

550
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: play things by your there. There's gonna be a point

551
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: where you go, hey, it's getting hot. We gotta get

552
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: this meat back. Um. We might just have to speed

553
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,719
Speaker 1: up the trip and get out sooner. That's the just

554
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: the reality of it, um. But I will say there's

555
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: also a few considerations when it comes to a float hunt.

556
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: So remember the same with all you know. I've said

557
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 1: this multiple times, but with meat, carrots, you gotta keep

558
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: it cool, you gotta keep it dry, you gotta keep

559
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: it clean. That can compound when you're in a raft

560
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: because you're there's water everywhere. So what you want you

561
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: got to do. Even if it's cool out, you have

562
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: to constantly get air around that meat to cool down.

563
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: So let's say you're you know, the temperatures are great,

564
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: it's it's refrigerated temperatures out you don't have to worry

565
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: about the meat getting too warm over a long period

566
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: of time. But while you're floating, you're gonna have to

567
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: put the meat in a dry bag to kind of

568
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: keep the water from soaking the meat because in those

569
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: pack rafts or whatever, there's the potential for water to

570
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: get in there. Now, when you stop or whatever, you're

571
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: then going to have to take the meat out of

572
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: those dry bags and hang to get air around it,

573
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: circulate move the meat around in the game bags so

574
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't even if it's cold out, like even in

575
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: the winter time. Um, this happens on trips where guys

576
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: have a floating the river with a moose. They just

577
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: put the meat in the in the raft. They're like, oh,

578
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: it's cold out, and then things go bad because it's

579
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: getting wet and the meat is not being moved around

580
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: and getting air circulation on it. So I will I'll say,

581
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: it's just you've got to go through the work, and

582
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: the work is gonna be you have to continually keep

583
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: that meat clean, So I use dry bags. Um, once

584
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: you stop every day or whatever, you'll hang that meat

585
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: up in a tree. You're gonna want to keep it

586
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: out of reach of bears, and you're gonna want to

587
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: make sure that it can cool down. Now, if you

588
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: don't have that. You know, maybe you gotta make a

589
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: meat pull. If there's like it's just completely flat, tender

590
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: and no trees or anything like that, you might have

591
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: to make some form of meat pull to hang the

592
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: meat where it gets off the ground. One way to

593
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: do that, UM I've used like if you're using a

594
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: paddle kayak paddle, I mean, if it's carbon fiber, you

595
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: want to make sure that they can hold all the weight. UM.

596
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: Cut some sticks along the way, some boughs, make a

597
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: tripod with some like a pair of cord or whatever,

598
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: and then just make a meat rack where you can

599
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: hang that meat so it gets off the ground. You're

600
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: gonna hang it every night and during the day while

601
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: you're not floating, and then the only time the meat

602
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: should be in the bags and in the raft is

603
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: when you're you're moving. UM. So that's something to think about,

604
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: and then you know, you just got to kind of

605
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: keep an on it. There are some areas where you

606
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: can't actually debone the quarters, and I actually would I personally,

607
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: like floating like this, I would probably keep the meat

608
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: bone in because it's just gonna be easier to kind

609
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: of manage and move because you're gonna be moving it

610
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: a lot, and it's not gonna be stuffed down into

611
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: a bag. Um, it'll kind of keep it easier for

612
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: the air to get around everything. Um. Now, if it's starting,

613
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: if it's like really warm, maybe you could think about

614
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: de boning it, but I think that probably keeping it

615
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: the quarter's whole will be the easiest way to handle everything.

616
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: Keep it clean and move it easily, hang it, and

617
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: keep the meat kind of spaced out and dry out. Now,

618
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: something else to think about, the back straps or any

619
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: loose meat, neck, meat, ribs, whatever. Bring a lot of

620
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: game bags where you can kind of um separate everything

621
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: out because even the meat and the bags, it's going

622
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: to be hard to kind of keep uh that air

623
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: circulation around it. So that's something else to think about.

624
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,239
Speaker 1: And then you know, you just have to play it

625
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: by ear. If it's if it's warm temperatures and you go, man, uh,

626
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: it's warm temperatures, We've got X amount of days to

627
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: float out. You really got to just kind of take

628
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: the responsibility of, Okay, well, when we get something, Um,

629
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: we've got this many days, we've we set a time clock,

630
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: and this is how long that meat is gonna last

631
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: for us to get out and get everything um home

632
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: without a spoiling And that's just something else to think about.

633
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: But there's always a few extra considerations when you're doing

634
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: a float hunt. It's a great way to hunt. It's

635
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: an incredible experience and you guys are gonna have a

636
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: lot of fun. So uh, think about that. Think about

637
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: when you stop, you know, building those meat rack. And

638
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: this is whether you're floating in, flying in, hiking and

639
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: horsing in, doesn't really matter. Getting that meat up off

640
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: the ground, getting it cool and dry. And then also, um,

641
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, over course of time, there's a lot of

642
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: things that can affect how well that meets stays. So

643
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: one thing you're definitely gonna want to pack is a

644
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: big tarp. So I build like, so you get your

645
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: Caryboo down, I build some kind of meat rack to

646
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: hang it, and then I tarp over it. The tarp

647
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: works for two things. One, it keeps the rain off

648
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: the meat, because in in two weeks of Alaska hunting,

649
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: it's going to rain. And too, it keeps the sun

650
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: off the meat because in August it's sunny a lot,

651
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: so even if it's cool out, that sun will kind

652
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: of keep meat shaded and that will help you too.

653
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: So by doing all those little things, you're gonna extend

654
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: to the time that you have to be able to

655
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: get that meat back safely. The next question comes from Travis.

656
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: He says, Hey, man, I've been listening to your podcast.

657
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: I think it's great you're kicking ask My wife has

658
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: been wanting to get into hunting with me and I

659
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: was just listening to how your wife got started. Would

660
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: it be a good idea to take her on small

661
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: game hunt before she jumps into the September LK hunt

662
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: with me? Any of your suggestions would be great. Thank

663
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: you and have a great rest of your day. Yeah,

664
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: that's a great question, Travis and I and I always

665
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: say this, um get any getting anybody into hunting. I

666
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: think it's always good to start small. Uh. There's there's

667
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with starting with something. It's like, it's easier

668
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: to manage. Is the day trip, it's it's getting out,

669
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: it's the process of it, it's getting into hunting. Uh.

670
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: A lot of us that are avid, hardcore hunters today

671
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: started with small game, and I think it's a really

672
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: good way to kind of build that foundation for hunting.

673
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: Take care of some of the things like safegun handling,

674
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: take care of some of the things of like working

675
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: on a few of the things that help make you

676
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: a more successful hunter when it comes the big game,

677
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: walking quietly, being observant, looking around, and also that like

678
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: just getting into that excitement maybe a little bit quicker

679
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: without these big expedition a giant hiking up the mountain

680
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: not seeing anything for a week kind of deal. So um,

681
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: with small game, it's a really good way to get

682
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: people into hunting, and I definitely suggest kind of getting

683
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: started and taking around on a few small game hunts

684
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: before you go on that September hunt, if possible. This

685
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: question comes from Brandon. He says, Hey, Remmy, my brother

686
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: and I live in New York State and planning our

687
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: first elk hunt colorade of this fall. We drew a

688
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: muzzloator to agg on one point. From our scouting, it

689
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: looks like it could be a pretty busy unit. One

690
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: question I have is how do you tell a real

691
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: elk bugle from another hunter? Or is that possible? It

692
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: is possible, Um, there's a few ways that I kind

693
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: of can tell. The first is I mean, to be honest,

694
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: A lot of hunters don't sound that great employing a bugle,

695
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: So a really really bad bugle, um one that sounds

696
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: like flutes going off generally a hunter. I say generally

697
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: because there I in my time hunting, there have been

698
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: a lot of elk that I'm like, God, that sounds

699
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: like a hunter and it's actually an elk. Another thing

700
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: I would say is like the immediate responsiveness to like

701
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: if everything is super quiet right and all of a sudden,

702
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: it's like this elk bugles that every cow call I

703
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: make and every bugle I make, and it's just like

704
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: constantly and then you kind of hear that mix of

705
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: cow calls bugles. Generally, it's like a call sequence that

706
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: a hunter is doing. But you don't want to blow

707
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: your chance at an elk by saying like, oh, that's

708
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: a hunter. So what I do is I always simult

709
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: like if I in question, I always simultaneously assume it's

710
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: a elk and assume it's a hunter. So meaning I

711
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: proceed with caution. I I think, okay, if this is

712
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: a hunter, um, you know, am I Is there a

713
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: way that I can look into there and maybe see

714
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: the elk? Can I get down wind and smell the elk,

715
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: but I also assume that it is an elk, so

716
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: I don't blow it in case it is an elk

717
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: um if and that's in those times where you might

718
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: be questioning it. There will be a lot of times

719
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: you're like, was that an elk? Was that a hunter?

720
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: You just kind of have to go situationally, go off

721
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: what you feel, and worst case scenario, chase down every

722
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: lead because if you aren't hearing a lot of action

723
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: or maybe there's um now maybe you're an area, it's

724
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: like bugles all over the place and you chase the

725
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: wrong one. That happens many times you'll hear a hunter

726
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: and real elk um. I've had up where it's like, okay,

727
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: you're calling and elks calling and what you didn't know

728
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: was a hunter is calling, and you all kind of

729
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: converge the same spot. But if you kind of take

730
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: that approach of simultaneously assuming like if if you're in question, okay,

731
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: is that an elk or is that not an elk,

732
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: assume that it is and it isn't. Simultaneously where you're

733
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: like taking the necessary precaution that this might be a hunter,

734
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: you kind of you try to glass in there and

735
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: try to eliminate some possibilities, like if you just like,

736
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: let's say you're at a trailhead and there's four other

737
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: trucks parked there and whatever. You know, you can say

738
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: well again kind of determine the size of the area

739
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: and say, well, okay, this is one basin and I'm

740
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 1: hearing these calls. Yeah, it's probably a hunter. It sounds

741
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: like it might be a guy calling. There's kind of

742
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: like this these cow calls that go with it. Um,

743
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: you know, and the elk haven't been super active lately. Uh,

744
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: then then yeah, the odds are that it might be hunter.

745
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: So you kind of get to play, play the game

746
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: and and figure it out. But once you're out there, um,

747
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're gonna be fool the few times,

748
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: especially if you run into a guy that's a really

749
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: good caller. And then you're also going to have somewhere

750
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, that's definitely a person. And then you're

751
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: gonna have somewhere you're like, that's definitely a person and

752
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 1: it turns out to be an elk. That's just how

753
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: elk cunning is when they're bugling. All right. This next

754
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: question comes from Dan. He says, Hey, Remy, I'm still

755
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: a learning hunter and your podcast is a single most

756
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 1: useful tool I found. Keep up the great work. He says,

757
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: I first found a great water hole and got several

758
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: photos of a shot worthy bull. The problem is there's

759
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: a lot of other game in the same water hole,

760
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: multiple moose, a dozen elk, other elk, deer, et cetera.

761
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: Seems there's a lot of opportunities to get spotted by

762
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: a lot of watchful eyes preparing for the worst. What's

763
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: your plan B or c for a hole like this

764
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: if your cover is blown, would you go elsewhere to

765
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: relieve pressure if your target elk or other animals spots me?

766
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: Or would you stick it out? So that's a great question.

767
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: You know, hunting a water hole can be super effective,

768
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: especially for many places right now that might be in

769
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: drought or whatever. But if you've got a productive place

770
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: where animals are watering, I'm assuming that you're you're getting

771
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: like photos from a trail camera set up over this

772
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: water hole. Um, you know, if you've you've got a

773
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: productive place, then that's great. That's a great place to hunt,

774
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: a great place to hone in on either target animal

775
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: or you know, never know what what might stroll in there.

776
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: I will say this, so when you're hunting, when you're

777
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: when you're doing an ambush style hunt where you're waiting

778
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: for the animals to come to you, whether it's a trail,

779
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: whether it's a water hole, whether it's over a food source, whatever,

780
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: the number one goal is to not be detected. So

781
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: you want those animals should be coming into your setup

782
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: unaware of your presence and whether it's the animal you're

783
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: chasing or another animal, because if they're spooking away, then

784
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: you've set up wrong. So the key is, no matter

785
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: what comes in, it should come in water, do its

786
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: thing ing, and then leave unaware whether you're gonna shoot

787
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: at it or not. Because if it's if it's alert

788
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: and you're in a position where you might spook it,

789
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna run into some problems. So the

790
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: things that I would do is, first, you know, kind

791
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: of figure out a couple of strategies for um not

792
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: going not getting detected. That could be a ground blind

793
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: and setting that ground blind up early enough where you

794
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: know you can sit in there. Um you're set up,

795
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, when an animal like say a moose or

796
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: non target animal comes in you're just gonna be still.

797
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna be quiet. You're gonna let them do their

798
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: thing and move on. When another animal comes in, you know,

799
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: maybe it's one that you want to shoot. Uh, you

800
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: know you should hopefully let it get comfortable enough and

801
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: have and then get your opportunity and take your shots.

802
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 1: So you shouldn't really be spooking anything. Another option maybe

803
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: a tree stand, um, and when you when you set

804
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: these up, obviously the thing you're gonna want to think

805
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: about most is the wind direction for that day and

806
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: where you're at. So you could even think about maybe

807
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: the winds. If figure out the predominant wind direction in

808
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: your area, and you could go a ground Like you

809
00:38:58,680 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: said you want to sit on the ground, you could

810
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: put a ground blind at one end and then maybe

811
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: a tree stand on the other end if the winds

812
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 1: are different, so you could kind of choose two different

813
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: locations depending on the wind and maybe the direction that

814
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: the animals come in from. Now that being said, yes

815
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: things might wind you. You might spook something, um, but

816
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: if it's that productive of a water hole, I would

817
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: just stick it out, especially it sounds like maybe it's

818
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: something if they're consistent, if it's in a water hole

819
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: that they're going to consistently and they don't have a

820
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: lot of other options. Absolutely stick it out now. If

821
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: it's something where you sit it and um, the animals

822
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: kind of like spooked off and change their pattern, you

823
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: don't see them again. Then it's something where you can

824
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: start finding maybe where else are they going, or kind

825
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: of go to plan B, which might be maybe more

826
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: spot and stock technique or tactic, or checking out other

827
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: areas or other water holes. I will say, like patterning

828
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: things on water, it seems super easy at first, we're like, oh,

829
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: these animals are coming in water, but you also have

830
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: to factor out Okay, I have to cut out everything

831
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: that's coming in at night. I need these animal is

832
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: to come in during the daylight during hunting hours. And

833
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: then as the seasons change, their water uses the amount

834
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: of water in other places changes as well. So um,

835
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: you have to be aware of those factors. Just because

836
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: they're coming in and hitting water during the summer doesn't

837
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: mean that when the season starts it's going to be

838
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: that regular. So and a water hole that might be

839
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: really productive in the summer comes September, maybe you'll get

840
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: in early snow, maybe you'll get something that will change

841
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: the patterns and the habits of those animals. So you

842
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: want to kind of continually monitor the patterns and the

843
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: habits and also maybe find some water in other areas.

844
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: So you might have one or two productive waters where

845
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: these animals are using. Like I say, you've got a

846
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: target elk and it's like okay, he's watering here every

847
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: three to five days, um, But you might have some

848
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: other waters that they're hitting and going okay, well, this

849
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: is why he's creating a circuit, and then you can

850
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Speaker 1: kind of plan on hunting that animal based on that

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Speaker 1: circuit that you're trying to decipher this pattern, So if

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Speaker 1: something happens on the one spot, you can then go

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Speaker 1: or check out another spot as well. Well. That concludes

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Speaker 1: our Q and A. Don't forget that I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: doing that live question and answer in Reno, Nevada the

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Speaker 1: Pope and Young Club Convention on the Friday, uh two pm.

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Speaker 1: I think I might even add a second session in

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Speaker 1: there right after so to get a few more questions,

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Speaker 1: and then it'd be great to meet you guys. Anybody

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Speaker 1: that that shows up, would be awesome to just say hey, um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. Also, Uh, that last question

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Speaker 1: talking about the water kind of got me thinking about

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Speaker 1: some of the first seasons to start off. Prong horn

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Speaker 1: antelope an incredibly fun hunt. It can be a very

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Speaker 1: challenging spot and stock archery hunt, but also just probably

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Speaker 1: one of the more enjoyable hunts out west. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a very underrated animal, and I've been getting a

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Speaker 1: lot of questions about prong horn hunting, so I would

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Speaker 1: like to add in a little bit of a series

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Speaker 1: on some prong horn analytic techniques and tactics. So we'll

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Speaker 1: look for that in the future. We'll have some of

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00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: those live Q and A s running in some future podcasts,

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00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: And if there's things that you guys want to know

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00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: about as always, feel free to reach out to me

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Speaker 1: via social media at Remy Warren on Instagram. Generally, I

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Speaker 1: go through the messages. When I see a good question,

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Speaker 1: I screenshot it and I keep it in a file,

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00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: and when it's male sack time, I open those up

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Speaker 1: and scroll through and start answering some of those questions.

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Speaker 1: But I also try to keep track of the things

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Speaker 1: that people are asking a lot of to build out

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Speaker 1: some of our other episodes. I say that a lot,

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Speaker 1: but I really appreciate all the feedback, all the ratings,

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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Also as a reminder, I'm

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Speaker 1: starting to do a lot more videos on my YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: So I just put up some good stuff about three

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Speaker 1: or four videos on processing big Game that I think

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00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: will be really helpful for you guys. And then also

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Speaker 1: like a full length caribou hunt with some that I

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Speaker 1: did last season. We've got some other awesome huntsome. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I've actually got like probably a hundred or more film

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Speaker 1: hunts that I've never used, never shown anyone. So I

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Speaker 1: guess start going through and editing some of those some

894
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: really cool stuff, some record book desert sheeps, um, some

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Speaker 1: awesome antelope footage, just some really cool hunts that have

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Speaker 1: never I've never really used for anything that I just

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Speaker 1: get got so busy. Uh well I'm are, yeah, still

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Speaker 1: really busy. But I was like, man, I've got hundreds

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Speaker 1: and hundreds of hunts that I've never shown anyone, never

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Speaker 1: seen fully filmed that I'm like, man, we should do

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Speaker 1: something with some of this old stuff. So a few

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00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: like awesome flashback hunts as well coming up, So make

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Speaker 1: sure to go over there. Check it out, subscribe if

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Speaker 1: you can, and yeah, thank you guys so much for

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Speaker 1: all the support, all the messages and we will catch

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Speaker 1: you later until next time. You know, you guys all

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Speaker 1: thought I was going to have the best sign off

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Speaker 1: dialed and that's not true. Because until next time, keep

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Speaker 1: those questions coming in See you guys.