Speaker 1: The Bravo conversation continues. The people on very successful shows
Speaker 1: are defending the realm, which I don't blame them. They
Speaker 1: are in a great position right now because they are
Speaker 1: on successful shows and Bravo really needs them to defend
Speaker 1: and protect the realm and market how amazing everything is.
Speaker 1: And I had totally understand that the Vanity Fair article
Speaker 1: got more clicks for Vanity Fair than any other story
Speaker 1: that they've had. It has been a huge success for
Speaker 1: the magazine, despite people including myself, thinking that there was
Speaker 1: a lot left on the cutting room floor. Exactly why,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think Vanity Fair maybe is just
Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg, and it's like the corner
Speaker 1: of your nail polish that you peel off and then
Speaker 1: there's so much more there based on the incoming calls
Speaker 1: that the people who have cases have gotten, meaning many
Speaker 1: other publications and news outlets are really fishing around. So
Speaker 1: it's an interesting dynamic because I was sort of a
Speaker 1: black cloud over Bravokon and truthfully, I don't really want
Speaker 1: to be. I've never been to bravokan I am. I've
Speaker 1: been invited to Bravocon many times. I declined many times,
Speaker 1: and they asked for me to have certain items of
Speaker 1: my wardrobe ber Bravo Con. I've never really wanted to
Speaker 1: be there, And I watch Bravo Con and I think
Speaker 1: it's such a great platform for the people there. I
Speaker 1: look at do Reed and she's showing her fashion and
Speaker 1: she looks so beautiful, And I look at so many
Speaker 1: of the women and feel like it's great, but they're
Speaker 1: sort of I don't know that they're shining on their
Speaker 1: own versus as part of this whole machine. Like they're
Speaker 1: sort of shining for the whole machine. It's hard for
Speaker 1: anyone to get their own image or word in edgewise
Speaker 1: when you're seeing so many different images. So it feels
Speaker 1: like a competition of fashion, where years ago, I remember
Speaker 1: we had the Bravo A List Awards and we were
Speaker 1: all so green and it was a new medium and
Speaker 1: it didn't feel like such fierce competition. I kind of
Speaker 1: tune out to the outfits because they're all so outrageous.
Speaker 1: Many people are wearing underwear and like disco pants and
Speaker 1: over the top, Like it's hard to stand out because
Speaker 1: it's just gotten so competitive, and I can't see the
Speaker 1: forest from the trees, and it's interesting because I'm watching
Speaker 1: Bravo try to now be more kind and more aware
Speaker 1: and rinse away everything that I've been talking about having
Speaker 1: happened in the past. But then where does that leave them,
Speaker 1: because that's basically the foundation of this environment. So now
Speaker 1: Andy Cohen's on stage and there's a group of beautiful
Speaker 1: women sitting there, all dressed up. They all tried really
Speaker 1: hard to look amazing. This is their super Bowl of fashion.
Speaker 1: The question was who has the worst fashion at Bravocan
Speaker 1: And that's a perfect example of like leaving the bait
Speaker 1: there so then they can battle each other. No one's
Speaker 1: going to be mad and Andy Cohen for asking that question,
Speaker 1: but women are going to be mad at each other
Speaker 1: for the battles that start, which perpetuate amazing television. And
Speaker 1: I know that, Like I keep thinking about as a mother,
Speaker 1: I think differently as a mother, the stuff that women
Speaker 1: fight about in this universe, you'd be you'd you'd have
Speaker 1: to go to the principal's office if it were your kids.
Speaker 1: Like if I heard that someone was making fun of
Speaker 1: the way that my daughter dressed or what she wore,
Speaker 1: that would be something that you'd probably talk to the
Speaker 1: school about. Like that would be something really mean. And
Speaker 1: so people talk about other people and the house they
Speaker 1: live on. One of the questions on the Watcher Rappins
Speaker 1: Live was like who has the worst house? Like that's
Speaker 1: kind of saying who's the poorest or who seems the poorest?
Speaker 1: So who has the worst fashion sense? It's just it's
Speaker 1: not even clever, It's just mean. And I know I
Speaker 1: was part of it. I know I was knee deep
Speaker 1: in it, like I was in thick of it. We
Speaker 1: can I can keep repeating that over and over for
Speaker 1: people who say that I'm biting the hand that feeds me,
Speaker 1: I'm not biting any hand. Really. This is about reality
Speaker 1: television overall. But I'm just seeing things differently as a
Speaker 1: lot of these women are. And as you get older,
Speaker 1: I think you get a little softer. As you have kids,
Speaker 1: I think you see things differently. As you have girls
Speaker 1: that are teens and you see what they go through,
Speaker 1: you see things a little bit differently. So it's just
Speaker 1: interesting to see the shift in Bravo trying to be
Speaker 1: more watered down but also trying to stay true to
Speaker 1: what the brand is. Otherwise they're gonna what what are
Speaker 1: they gonna talk about? They're gonna have poetry readings. I
Speaker 1: do think it could still be really interesting, but it
Speaker 1: would have to be a complete revamp. So Kyle and
Speaker 1: Mauricio have chosen to go the public route about their breakup.
Speaker 1: It's highlighted and spotlighted on Kyle's show. Maurice has been
Speaker 1: talking about it surrounding Dancing with the Stars. I maintain
Speaker 1: that Maurice Dancing with the Stars is nothing short of brilliant.
Speaker 1: People were speculating that he had a romantic tryst with
Speaker 1: his partner, which she and she have publicly denounced, so
Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. But it's a very intense experience.
Speaker 1: Having done Skating with the Stars, you really fall in
Speaker 1: love with your partner, just even as a friend. It
Speaker 1: just becomes the person that you're with every day, that
Speaker 1: you talk to, and that you're going through something very unique,
Speaker 1: very intense, and very arduous. Their relationship has always been
Speaker 1: front and center. Now it's never been more because that's
Speaker 1: the price. That's when you choose to put your relationship
Speaker 1: front and center, and it will spike ratings and it
Speaker 1: will guarantee a good show. And this is the life
Speaker 1: we chose. When you're on the Housewives. You know, Kyle's
Speaker 1: been on the Housewives for thirteen years in a row,
Speaker 1: thirteen consecutive years. I could only handle three years, and
Speaker 1: that I had to leave because it just wasn't something
Speaker 1: that I felt proud doing. And then I left, rinsed
Speaker 1: it off, and I came back, and that was a
Speaker 1: really long stint for me, which was five years. Someone
Speaker 1: like Lisa Rinna, who to me feels like a later
Speaker 1: newer Housewife, I didn't realize she was on Housewives for
Speaker 1: eight years in a row. It will definitely change your mind.
Speaker 1: It will you cannot stay grounded and really feel like
Speaker 1: what it's like to feel like a normal person not
Speaker 1: in the Bravo sphere if you've been on so long.
Speaker 1: So Kyle's been on for thirteen years, so of course
Speaker 1: she's going to put her relationship front and center. It's
Speaker 1: like you speak a different language, you live on a
Speaker 1: different planet. You are just in that world. And everyone
Speaker 1: has told me that their friendships that they had on
Speaker 1: the show are definitely different went off the show. That's
Speaker 1: different if you're someone like Teddy who wants to be
Speaker 1: back on the show and still friends with someone because
Speaker 1: Teddy still has a podcast about the shows, about the
Speaker 1: shows intimately, So she's still sort of on the Housewives
Speaker 1: without being in the Housewives. She was at Bravo kan
Speaker 1: because she's doing her podcast but like hanging out with
Speaker 1: the talent. So Teddy's kind of still on the Housewives
Speaker 1: without being on the Housewives. But if you really do leave,
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to maintain a relationship with people who
Speaker 1: are on the show. It will never be the same level.
Speaker 1: And relationships that are romantic or married or engaged definitely
Speaker 1: strain from being on the show. And there's a decision
Speaker 1: whether you're gonna bring it on. But it's called we
Speaker 1: chose fame. We chose this career. And unlike the Kardashians,
Speaker 1: who get to choose what their content is going to
Speaker 1: be on the show and they have editing and production rights,
Speaker 1: you can't compare the Housewives to the Kardashians because they
Speaker 1: get to decide what's on and what's off, or they
Speaker 1: get to change a scene. Housewives have really just made
Speaker 1: the choice that the fame and the money is worth
Speaker 1: giving up your relationship and the content around your relationship.
Speaker 1: And I've done it. It's next to impossible, but it's
Speaker 1: it's a choice that you make. There's a price that
Speaker 1: you pay, and it's affecting Kyle's relationships with Kathy and
Speaker 1: with Kim. It's just a different road to take. Kim
Speaker 1: is no longer on Kathy, I believe is no longer
Speaker 1: on by choice, Nicki and Paris have you steered clear
Speaker 1: from it? Because Paris has her own show, but again
Speaker 1: she controls what's in and out of that show. It's very,
Speaker 1: very different, So it's a specific machine. I think Kyle
Speaker 1: Maurice doing a good job of keeping it as clean
Speaker 1: as possible while still being in the machine. And he's
Speaker 1: on a different machine because he's on a show on Netflix,
Speaker 1: so he's got a different master that he's speaking to
Speaker 1: about that content. So it's definitely very complicated, and I'm
Speaker 1: seeing I saw Garcel's sons open up on Real Housewives
Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills, which she gave to the audience that
Speaker 1: intimate conversation about parenting to her kids. And you really
Speaker 1: never know what's coming out of the oven because often
Speaker 1: in these experiences, the kids who are unpaid and they
Speaker 1: kind of resent it, like most of the kids don't
Speaker 1: want that level of fame that's out of their control,
Speaker 1: meaning they're supporting actors and their parent or usually mother
Speaker 1: is the star, so they're like supporting. They're playing supporting
Speaker 1: roles but not getting to be a princess or being
Speaker 1: their own actor or actress. They're supporting roles in whatever
Speaker 1: the producers and the mother wants to portray, and they're
Speaker 1: not being paid. And we underestimate how smart kids are,
Speaker 1: and you see the resentment in them. You can just
Speaker 1: feel it like they really don't want to be there,
Speaker 1: but they're supporting their parent, and their parent is financially
Speaker 1: supporting them, so they kind of have to support the parent.
Speaker 1: You see this often with the spouse or the partner,
Speaker 1: and you see these scenes that are uncomfortable. So Garcela
Speaker 1: was with her sons and her son felt no hesitation
Speaker 1: to kind of say that he felt like his mother
Speaker 1: wasn't being a present parent. And it's kind of like
Speaker 1: they get this dig in. And I've been there, not
Speaker 1: really with kids, but with partners where you ask a
Speaker 1: question and you think kind of because you're the main character,
Speaker 1: that they're going to just go along, but they want
Speaker 1: to get their own dig in. It's their way of
Speaker 1: saying like fuck you, I don't really want this road
Speaker 1: that you chose for me. So they always end up
Speaker 1: saying something slightly embarrassing. You know, was Avery with Ramona,
Speaker 1: it's now Garcel's son with her. You saw it with
Speaker 1: my ex on my first season of Housewives, when he
Speaker 1: was like, we'll talk about this later, and I wanted
Speaker 1: him to kind of go on the ride about, you know,
Speaker 1: just giving me what I wanted in the scene when
Speaker 1: he was an unwilling participant in the scene and we
Speaker 1: were talking about possibly moving in together, and he was like,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about this later, which made me look so jilted.
Speaker 1: And you see it all the time. You saw it
Speaker 1: with Maurice and Kyle. People are saying that when Maurice
Speaker 1: and Kyle were in a scene in this recent season
Speaker 1: that like they both look like they dread being there. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, they may not want to be talking about this,
Speaker 1: or maybe Maurice doesn't want to be talking about this
Speaker 1: because it's not really his show and he's not really
Speaker 1: being paid for this role. And you see that seep out.
Speaker 1: You see the kids or the spouses, or the boyfriend
Speaker 1: or the girlfriend kind of give a little dig to
Speaker 1: the parent or the partner because they're not being paid
Speaker 1: and they have zero driving privileges in this, so it's
Speaker 1: something that really is feeding the realm and the producers.
Speaker 1: But these kids don't want to be there, and it's
Speaker 1: just kids really want to please their parents. They want
Speaker 1: to make their parents happy. She wasn't compensated for it,
Speaker 1: so it's just like the producers want to have a
Speaker 1: scene with you and your kids. Also, there was a
Speaker 1: bit of a faux earnestness at Bravo con like I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful and I owe such a debt of gratitude
Speaker 1: to the housewives, like it was being laid on very,
Speaker 1: very thick. And we're just living in joy. This is
Speaker 1: just Oprah's book Club, and we are just joyful, and
Speaker 1: we've always just been about joy. We're just gonna rinse
Speaker 1: this off now and pretend that it's always been only
Speaker 1: about joy. And I'm gonna give you some beautiful lavender
Speaker 1: oil to really just talk about your inner healing and
Speaker 1: so you can just relax because everything here is just
Speaker 1: for the talent and production. We're just full of joy
Speaker 1: and this is a spiritual journey that we're all on
Speaker 1: and it's for the betterment of people and it's for healing,
Speaker 1: and it's very touchy feeling and we just want to
Speaker 1: love one another. Here at Bravo con it's all just
Speaker 1: about love and joy, and it's never been about hate,
Speaker 1: and it's never been about overconsumption, and it's never been
Speaker 1: about anything negative. Bravo is just the Hallmark Channel, and
Speaker 1: we are just hugging one another and loving each other
Speaker 1: in a beautiful trust circle with our daisy chains around
Speaker 1: our ankles, and we're just at Woodstock in a circle
Speaker 1: of joy.