1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Welcome back to a Numbers Name with Ryan Grodwski. Thank 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: you guys for being your Happy Monday, Martin Luther King 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: Junior Day. I hope you're all enjoying your day if 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: you have the day off. I have a fantastic guest 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: coming on the show to talk about my main topic, 6 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: but before we go into that, I want to briefly 7 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: cover how the ice rates in Minnesota are affecting the 8 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: future of that state's political influence on the country on 9 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: the presidential elections. I know that sounds confusing, but listen 10 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: to me. I wrote this for my sub stack. I'm 11 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: a national popular newsletter if you want to read the 12 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: numbers out. So a friend of mine named Tim, very 13 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: smart guy, he's very into data. Any comments on one 14 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: of my tweets that the ice there was a story 15 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: that had come out that twenty four hundred illegal aliens 16 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: have been arrested in Minneapolis and especially in the Twin 17 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: City area. I guess, not just Minneapolis proper and twenty 18 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: four hundred people and he said that's more than Minnesota 19 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: got for their last congressional redistrict. Thing. They would have 20 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: lost their eighth their eighth congression district and I was 21 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: trying to do all the numbers in county. If you 22 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: include the seventeen hundred arrests from January to October and 23 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: this twenty four hundred, and then you kind of guess 24 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: what happened between October and January. About five thousand in 25 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: my estimation, illegal aliens have been arrested out of Minnesota 26 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: since the beginning of a Trump presidency. That's about two 27 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: percent of all illegal aliens if my math is correct, 28 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: which is a lot for a state like that. But 29 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: what's missing in the conversation, and what my friend Tim 30 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: pointed out, so kudos to him for this, is that 31 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: there that is enough people to deny Minnesota a congressional 32 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: district in twenty thirty two. In twenty twenty, when the 33 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: Census was detailing which states received how many congressional districts. 34 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: Right when they were you know, they were distributing congression 35 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: districts across the country, Minnesota held onto their eighth comressial 36 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: district by a mere eighty nine people. If there were 37 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: eighty nine fewer people counted in Minnesota, that seat would 38 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: have not been there. It would have gone to New York, 39 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: which I know you're probably like, oh, you know, it's 40 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: another blue state who cares, Yes, But think of the 41 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: bigger picture now of what is happening nationwide for the 42 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: twenty thirty census, which is just four years away. I know, 43 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: twenty thirty sounds like a magical number, and you know, 44 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: to a millennial like me nineteen ninety it was only 45 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: ten years ago. But that's only four years away. See. 46 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: The trend for the last two decades is that American 47 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: citizens have increasingly been turning away from blue states over 48 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: tax expensive housing cities that you know, for all sense 49 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: of the word, are being run into the ground now 50 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: with easy access to cheaper homes and apartments, year round 51 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: air conditioning, lower taxes, less restrictions during COVID, improving educational 52 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: standards that have accelerated the last five years. They're moving 53 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: to the South, They're moving to Midwest, They're moving other 54 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: parts of the country. Take California for example, more than 55 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand American citizens have been leaving California every 56 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: year for the last decade. The population growth that California 57 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: has had is entirely linked to immigration. American population has 58 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: not growning. Immigrants are growing in California even though its 59 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:08,119 Speaker 1: population has grown for three consecutive years. It's still less though, 60 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: where it was than before COVID started, right, So since 61 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: COVID since twenty twenty, the population hasn't exceeded that number yet. 62 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: It's getting very close. But if it were not for immigration, 63 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: it would be in a full on decline. With Trump's 64 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: crackdown of legal immigration and falling population of illegal immigrants 65 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: and form born residence nationwide declining, California could be in 66 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: very serious trouble. Last year, they only grew by nineteen thousand, 67 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: five hundred new residents. So while California has less people 68 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: than they had in twenty twenty, Texas and Florida combined 69 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: have two point four million more people. When reapportion rolls 70 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: around in twenty thirty, that's going to matter a lot. 71 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: This is not just about this immigration, but it's not 72 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: about just this year or next year. This is about 73 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: the next decade in this country. And when it comes 74 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: to individual congressional districts that one or two extra sees 75 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: to a red state from a blue state, it's going 76 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: to come down to just a few hundred people. Just 77 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: a few hundred people is going to be the difference. 78 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: Does this state get an extra congressional seat, an extra 79 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: electoral College vote. Does this state have that one extra 80 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: vote to decide who the President of the United States 81 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: will be. California only held onto their fifty second congressionstrict 82 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: by a few thousand people. Now think of how many 83 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: tens of thousands have been deported out of California. Say 84 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: good bye that congressional district that electoral College vote. Demographers 85 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:33,239 Speaker 1: and economists from ESRII predict now that California and New York, Minnesota, Illinois, 86 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: and Rhode Island, all deep blue states, will lose that 87 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: combine eight electoral College votes eight congressional districts in twenty 88 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: thirty two, states like Arizona, Florida, Texas, Georgia, Idaho, and 89 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: Utah will gain nine nine seats. The only state that 90 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: voted for Trump last election to lose a seat will 91 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: be Pennsylvania. They estimated by one electoral College vote. So 92 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: not only does that mean waning influences for places like Minnesota. 93 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: In Illinois, that means that they'll look like one fewer 94 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: to two fewer congressman too fewer electoral College votes, but 95 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: it means blue states are losing influence. If the Brokings 96 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: Institute is correct when they made their prediction that the 97 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: US is said to lose another five hundred thousand form 98 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: warn people next year on top of the one hundred 99 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: thousand they lost this year. That means the number becomes 100 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: even harder when immigrants aren't there to make up your losses. 101 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: So it could mean exacerbated losses in these blue states. 102 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: What does that look like for twenty thirty two, twenty 103 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: thirty six, and twenty forty for those presidential years. Let's 104 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: like actually hear the numbers. A Republican if those if 105 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: that trajectory is there, even if it doesn't manifest as 106 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: being larger, if they lose those eight eight electoral college votes, 107 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: even if it doesn't lead to nine or ten because 108 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: they immigration, let's just say leave it at that eight, 109 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: that eight electoral college vote loss out of those deep 110 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: blue states. That means a Republican can become president by 111 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: just winning Texas, Florida, Arizona, and North Carolina, Georgia and Ohio. 112 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: They don't need Pennsylvania, they don't need Wisconsin, they don't 113 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: need Michigan. The whole blue wall doesn't mean anything anymore. 114 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: That is crazy. It's going to change a lot of 115 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: economic things. Our politics towards populism probably decreases quite substantially 116 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: because of how much populism comes out of those states 117 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: on the right. But all of those states do not 118 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: matter anymore for presidential politics. It becomes entirely about the 119 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: Southeast and the Southwest. That's it. I mean, that is 120 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: the first time in the history of this country that 121 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: that has happened. And big blue states like Illinois and 122 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: New York and California, which could always get away with 123 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,679 Speaker 1: putting bad policies forward that deny, you know, the best 124 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: interests of American citizen citizens because they always know they 125 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: had more immigrants, legal and illegal coming to fill their spots. 126 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: It means they don't anymore. These ice rays have far 127 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: reaching in iplications into the future. It is not about today. 128 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: It is about the next decade and whether that will 129 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: be a decade of Republican political dominance. If President Trump 130 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: continues on his trajectory today, it will mean a decade 131 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: of Republican presence in the future. Now, that's not even 132 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: my main topic of the show. I want to talk 133 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: with the main topic. Sorry, I had to get on 134 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: of that political tangent, but The main topic for the 135 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: show is I was doing a story last week by 136 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: Tam McCartney in the Washington Examinar of paper I used 137 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: to work for back in the mid twenty tens, and 138 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: it was with a whole new government programs for children, 139 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: and it got me really thinking. New York City unbuilt 140 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: a fifteen billion dollar universal childcare program. Minnesota has hundreds 141 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: of not one hundreds of millions, if not several billions 142 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: in new childcare programs. California has paid billions in chief 143 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: free childcare across the state, including to grandparents who stay 144 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: at home and state employees. All these billions upon billions 145 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: of dollars for childcare, all while the population of children 146 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: is shrinking. Right. I started thinking about the inverse relationship. 147 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: Why is the money going up while the population is 148 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: going down? And I've spoken on this program a number 149 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,559 Speaker 1: of times of drinking fertility rates. But what I haven't 150 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: thought about is the effect government is having because it's 151 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: not operating like a business. A business would have to change, right, 152 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: a business if the population of people who were serving 153 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: was going down, it would have to change, right, less 154 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: services or less businesses, say New York City, for example, 155 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: Right between twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five. That 156 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: school year, there were eight hundred and eighty four thousand 157 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: children enrolled in the New York City public school system, 158 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: according to the website The seventy four. That's down nearly 159 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: ten percent from twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen, when it 160 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: was nine hundred and ninety four thousand. According to the 161 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: Empire Center, one hundred and ten thousand viewer children in 162 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: a five year period. Guess how many public schools closed 163 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: as enrollment FELM. From everything I looked up, it was 164 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: a whopping two two for one hundred and ten thousand 165 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: fewer students and sixteen merged. And since July twenty nineteen, 166 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: the New York State Board of Education has hired more 167 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: than seventeen hundred new full time staffers to watch and 168 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: be involved in a school system that has one hundred 169 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: and ten thousand fewer children. And while the population students 170 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: declined ten percent, the budget increased by more than ten percent, 171 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: from thirty four billion to thirty seven billion in twenty 172 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: twenty five from twenty twenty. But that estimates could be 173 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: on the low scale. They say has thirty nine million. 174 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: The cost per student taxpayer has risen from thirty one 175 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: thousand dollars per student in twenty twenty to thirty nine 176 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in twenty twenty five, and eight thousand dollars 177 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: increased per student. What are they getting out of all 178 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: this extra money per student? Not better grades, not better 179 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: numbers and standards, not you know, higher rates of proficiency 180 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: in math or science reading. It's a complete madness. And 181 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: that's just one state. They're not alone. For my New Jersey, 182 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: Connecticut are all just as guilty. Some states have done 183 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: a very good job at reducing learning loss in COVID 184 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: places like Mississippi, Louisiana, Florida. Those are the exceptions and 185 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: not the rule. It's more than just education. The Minnesota, 186 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: as childcare is, the program increased from fifty one million 187 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three to three hundred million in twenty 188 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: twenty six, all while the population of children in the 189 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: state declined by sixty thousand. How are you increasing by 190 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: five hundred percent when there's sixty thousand fewer kids. Progressives 191 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: have increasingly so that these programs aren't necessary, as childcare 192 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: and healthcare for children are is enormously expensive, which it is. 193 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no question about that. I agree. However, 194 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: these programs seem less and less likely to focus on 195 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: children's needs and more about servicing adults. If children's interests 196 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: were the main priority, wise it then the Minneapolis Teachers 197 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: Union is starting to strike. If the federal government doesn't 198 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: remove ice from their site, how does it make any 199 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: sense and improve education that the vast majority of children 200 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: who experiences stained learning loss since the COVID lockdowns will 201 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: be locked out of school again. And none of this 202 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: is doing anything to traverse the demographic decline or fertility rates. 203 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: None of this is promoting more people to have families 204 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: and have children. When it comes to how much the 205 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: state is willing to pay for children, is increasing becoming 206 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: clear that the process of growing dependency on the state, 207 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: it's not to create independent families, are more families, or 208 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: manage population decline. It's to create more voters who will 209 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: be loyal to big government spending. It's about growing the 210 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: size of the government worker. It's about growing dependency to 211 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: the state, not intact families. With me, he's a man 212 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: who's written a lot about this. He's a very smart guy. 213 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: He's the author who I read this entire article about 214 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: Tim Carney's coming up next. Stay tuned. Tim Karney is 215 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: a senior calmnist of The Washington Examiner, Mild Place of 216 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: and senior fellow at AI. He's also the author of 217 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: Family Unfriendly, a critical examination of overparenting and its consequences. 218 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on, Tim, Sure, thanks for having me Ryan, Tim, 219 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: I really liked your article in the Washington Examiner, which 220 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: is why I reached out to you about the over 221 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: increasing amount of state subsidies into childcare and the state 222 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: increasing responsibility into childcare and what that's resulting in. Maybe 223 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: not resulting too, but it's not alleviating the problem we 224 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: have of less people wanting to make families. 225 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean so for Family and Friendly, 226 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 2: I study the different countries that did family policy, what 227 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 2: they spend their money on, and if you can detect 228 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: any effect on birth rate, And it's true that a 229 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: place like France, so he just threw a ton of 230 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 2: money at everything and they were for a short time, 231 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: I think, driving their birth rate up. But the thing 232 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: that made a difference seemed to be money directly to parents, 233 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 2: like a larger child tax credit or a baby bonus. 234 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 2: Money spent on subsidizing childcare. And I didn't do this 235 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: international comparison to my Examiner piece, but I have it 236 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 2: in the book. Money spent on subsidizing childcare does not 237 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: seem to have any positive effect on birth rates, and 238 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 2: there's an argument that it drives it down. In other words, 239 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 2: a childcare subsidy is a work subsidy, and so you 240 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: drive up people's attachment to work. 241 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: Work is good. 242 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: There's a lot of people who need work subsidies. Right 243 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: single men in their twenties who are slacking off and 244 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 2: having welfare. We probably need to prod them to get 245 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: a job, but to say, well, we need to make 246 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: sure both parents are working. 247 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: That's kind of the effect of childcare subsidies. 248 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 2: And when the news broke about when the reporting was 249 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: done about the Somali childcare facilities being looks like fronts 250 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 2: or just ways to commit welfare fraud, I started looking 251 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 2: into the labor union's role behind and that's what my 252 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 2: Examiner articles about. 253 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not I mean Minnesota, that's where that's 254 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 1: where Governor Wallt kind of like said, this was my 255 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: line mantras, I'm going to get involved where the government 256 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: is going to have a relationship with the family and 257 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: they're going to sit there and sponsor all these things. 258 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: But a lot of states with this. California now pays 259 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: grandma's to watch children, which doesn't seem like that much 260 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: of a negative a negative thing for that individual thing, 261 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: but it makes the the family is a is a 262 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: is a employee of the state, and it just changes 263 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: the overall relationship on its own. In New York there 264 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:33,239 Speaker 1: are doing massive expansion into K through twelve education and childcare, 265 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: ok through sorry pre pre k education and childcare, and 266 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: the overall cost of per child that the states are 267 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: paying are now close to New York City's forty thousand 268 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: dollars a year per kid, and the results aren't getting better. 269 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: The children aren't going there. Do you have any opinion 270 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: as what is the goal? What is the goal of 271 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: sitting They're trying to make this into a larger state. 272 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: I mean it depends on you know, it's the early afternoon. 273 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: I haven't had anything to drink, so I'm only going 274 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: to be so conspiratorial. 275 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: But the we have John on for those things, John Cark, 276 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: he's my guest, So yeah. 277 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: Again, get me later and I'll start talking about like 278 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 2: culture war stuff. But the easiest thing, what I address 279 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 2: in the examine a article is these subsidies help the 280 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 2: Democrats politically, because what the subsidies do is a create 281 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 2: actually a mechanism for childcare to be unionized, including like 282 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 2: Aunt Susie's childcare. You know, the empty nester who just 283 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 2: loved raising kids, and so she opens her house up 284 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,359 Speaker 2: and it's it's legal, but not necessarily licensed. 285 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: That's a big category in childcare. 286 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: And so she now is getting a state subsidy if 287 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 2: any of those children are low income, and increasingly it's 288 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: you know, middle income get the subsidies too for childcare. 289 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: But then once she's getting that subsidy, she gets a 290 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,239 Speaker 2: phone call from the labor Union if she's in California 291 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: or Minnesota or Maryland or any of these blue states, 292 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 2: and the Labor Union says, well, you're one of us. 293 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: You should join. 294 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: She kind of has the right to opt out, but 295 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: sometimes it's hard to make sure they don't take any 296 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: of her dues. And once all these people are roped 297 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: into the union, of course some of the portion that's 298 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 2: coming from the state, some of the portion that's coming 299 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: from the parents, some of that gets kicked back to 300 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: the labor unions, and of course you know then that 301 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 2: gets kicked back to the Democrats. But organizing more people 302 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 2: who some of them are in a very informal economy, 303 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 2: some of them are formal child care institutions, subsidizing them 304 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: gave the legal way to organize them, and then subsidizing 305 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 2: them also indirectly pumps this money into the labor unions 306 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: and back to the Democrats. So that to me is 307 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 2: one of the reasons that this is a major motivating factor. 308 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 2: A second reason I would just give is that a 309 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: lot of people really just think that the proper arrangement 310 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 2: is if you've got married parents, is both of them 311 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: working full time jobs and putting their kids in informal 312 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 2: childcare especially, and there that there's sort of gender equity 313 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: reasons for that. That if if if I say one parent, 314 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: I said, most parents who are married, they would rather 315 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: reduce the amount of work they do. The feminist says, 316 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 2: what you mean is a woman stay at home? And 317 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 2: I say, so what if I do? That's what they want, 318 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 2: But that upsets the whole idea of gender equity that 319 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 2: so many feminists operate under. So if you look at 320 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: how the how the Biden administration spoke about the work 321 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 2: life balance, and if you look at these subsidies, you see, Okay, 322 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: I think what they want is to subsidize work, increase 323 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 2: the labor force, and create a system where there's less 324 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 2: difference between men and women altogether. 325 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: Do you remember that video that the Biden Obama rather 326 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: the Obama administration released, But the woman it was like 327 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: the life of I don't know Julie, life of Julia, 328 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 1: And basically the government was with her every moment. 329 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: It was the spouse she never had. There was nobody there. 330 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 2: There were no other human beings in that she At 331 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 2: one point, Julia decides to have a baby. 332 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: There was no man in there. 333 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 2: It was like it was a virgin birth, but it 334 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 2: was an Obama Department of Health and Human Services instead 335 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 2: of the Holy Spirit. But that idea of and so 336 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 2: this I think gets had a deeper thing. Ryan And 337 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 2: sometimes conservatives and libertarians have trouble when I say this, 338 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 2: but I think we're too individualistic. And I think we 339 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 2: as a lot of people's view of our society is well, 340 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: of the good life is well, we're American. We should 341 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 2: be self sufficient, We shouldn't be dependent on other people. 342 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: So that's sometimes kind of on the either maga right 343 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 2: or the libertarian right, and then on the left, the 344 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 2: sort of hyper individualist feminism is well dependence, that's like 345 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 2: a system of patriarchy and a system of oppression. So 346 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 2: this is opposition to marriage, opposition to for instance, a 347 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 2: woman not being totally financially independent because she stays at 348 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 2: home part of the time with her kids. And so 349 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: that life of Julia story, to me, was a perfect 350 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 2: example of how the kind of the the collectivism and 351 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 2: the rugged individualism of collectivism right there, they're really the 352 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 2: same thing. 353 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: Well, and you know, well you say listen, I mean 354 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: you say this in part because you're a gen xer 355 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: and Catholic and not a Protestant boomer, because the hyper 356 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: individuals thing is very Protestant Boomer it is. I mean, 357 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: that's just that is really the apex of that. That's 358 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: why you have these And no offense to any audience 359 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: members who like this, but that's why these seventy seventy 360 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: five year olds who are like, I'm not giving any 361 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: money my kids. It's all going to like whatever, They're 362 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: not gonna getn inheritance, which is like, okay, there's no 363 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: legacy they were built, and I constantly bring that up. 364 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: But what, okay, if government intervention does not and it's 365 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: proven not to, so I don't disagree with you, but 366 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: if government intervention does not sit there and improve overall 367 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: fertility and family information, what does well? 368 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a really tough question, right, Like, I 369 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: wrote a book on it, and I only have so 370 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: many answers, which in Washington, d C is so unsatisfied 371 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 2: to the audience, they're like, all right, thank you, what 372 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: are the three bills we could pass? So to say, 373 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,479 Speaker 2: there are policies that can make a difference, and I 374 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 2: will say I think the government should do this because 375 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 2: a society in which people are married and our parents 376 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 2: is a happier society, especially at our lower rates. 377 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: Let me put it this way. 378 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 2: Our rates of marriage and family formation and our birth 379 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,479 Speaker 2: rates are low enough that we're definitely suffering from too 380 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: little marriage and too few babies and suffering not just economically, 381 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,239 Speaker 2: but I think culturally, and so we do need to 382 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 2: push it up. The problem is, you know, you talk 383 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 2: about a subsidy to grandma staying with the kid. Grandma 384 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 2: saying with the kid is one of the best things 385 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 2: in the world. But once you set that up, you're 386 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: asking for fraud. You're getting the government involved in these decisions, 387 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 2: and a lot of that will backfire. So the few 388 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 2: policies at work around the edge. One. I think it's 389 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 2: good they raise the child tax credit a little, but 390 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 2: it should be raised more. It didn't even bumping up 391 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 2: to twenty two hundred dollars. That's still not worth as 392 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 2: much as it was when the Tax Cuts and Jobs 393 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 2: Act made it two thousand dollars back before Biden inflation right. 394 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 2: Number two, So I would make it about three thousand 395 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 2: dollars and then make it a little bigger for younger kids. 396 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 2: When they're younger, that's when mom is more likely to 397 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: take time off of work or they have to shell 398 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 2: out for daycare. But just give them the cash and 399 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: don't you know, keep tabs on what they spend on it. 400 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 2: Number two, Housing, I think to take a step back 401 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 2: when millennial and some of my best friends are millennials 402 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 2: and gen z But when they complain, you gen xers, 403 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: we can't afford life like you did, I think most 404 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: of that is wrong. I think that you look at 405 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 2: the data, but it is true with buying a house, 406 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 2: buying a house today is so much more expensive than 407 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 2: it was most of the nineties and the oughts, and 408 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: especially after the financial crisis up to twenty fifteen, it was. 409 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: Just much easier to do it, much more affordable. 410 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: So there's a bill Tim Scott in the Senate and 411 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 2: some Democrats are on board to try to get more 412 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 2: housing built, like we made the mistake of sizing. 413 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: I think he attaches section eight in that bill, but 414 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: it's the same bill I'm thinking of. But anyway, go ahead. 415 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 2: But what part of the idea here is we want 416 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 2: to increase the supply to drive down the price, rather 417 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 2: than when we subsidize demand back that cause of financial crisis. 418 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 2: Increase the supply of homes. But that is primarily not 419 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 2: a federal thing. That's going to be about state law, 420 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 2: about state regulations, about banking regulations, and then on the 421 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 2: local level, I think I think I have a chapter 422 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 2: title if you want walk a bill. If you want 423 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 2: fecundity in the sheets, you need walkability in the streets. 424 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: I have a theory, and. 425 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 2: This one's not proven, but it is my theory that 426 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 2: if parents didn't have to drive their kids all over 427 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 2: the place, that they'd have more kids, and the suburbs 428 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: in most ways are the best place to raise a kid. 429 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 2: You got a fence in backyard, you have a little 430 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 2: more space. Not every kid needs their own bed room, 431 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 2: but you know, if you have three bedrooms and you 432 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 2: can have a boys room and a girls room, that's 433 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: all more. 434 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: Doable in the suburbs. 435 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 2: But when parent mom and dad have to drive their 436 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 2: kids everywhere, it's a huge shrike. 437 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: Well, I'll say this about data with with those two things. 438 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: One is that, because I've looked into this quite a bit, 439 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: apartment buildings by size prove lessly or less likely to 440 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: start a family. So if you will have live in 441 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: apartment building with fifty or more units, you're very less 442 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: likely to start with family. Maybe that's attract to that. 443 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: But also, and I want you to just maybe think 444 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: of you on this for another article, but also the 445 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: amount the regulation over over a child of what's it 446 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: called child seats, it reduces size too, because it's all 447 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: it is virtually impossible unless you're buying a bus, to 448 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: have a compatible car that has five that can fit 449 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 1: five seats in it. It like with like the child's 450 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: the regulations around seating they make it so Yeah, your maximum. 451 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: You can only have four kids. I mean some people can. 452 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 1: That's it is very limiting around that. No, and car 453 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: seats has contraception is a study. That was the title 454 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: of the study. And JD. 455 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 2: Evans, who had this amazing power of saying true things 456 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 2: and then getting headlines. 457 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: Can you believe what JD Evans just said? 458 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: He cited that study and a Transportation Committee hearing and 459 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 2: it caused an uproar when he was running for vice president. 460 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: But that's true. 461 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: And the Trump administration is trying to make it so 462 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: that buying the regulatory costs on buying a bigger car 463 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 2: goes down. 464 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: So I didn't know that. 465 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I mean the fuel economy standards obviously 466 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 2: drive up the costs of a bigger car. SUVs get 467 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: a little bit grandfathered, but a big minivan. I mean, 468 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 2: we had a minivent for years until broke well, my 469 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: oldest child was driving it. 470 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: But now we just cram them. 471 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 2: We sometimes cram them into an suv, but then a 472 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 2: lot of times we just go in two different cars. 473 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: Right, So, I mean he snows all the lots of 474 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: tricks here. 475 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 2: My friends drive like those airport shuttle vans. We call 476 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 2: them assault vehicles, and the UH and so, don't make 477 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 2: Catholic assault vehicles more expensive, make it easier for people 478 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: to buy and own a home. And then also some 479 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 2: of the helicopter parenting that I think drives down the 480 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 2: perth rate. 481 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: Is a result of local laws. 482 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 2: In a lot of places, you're not allowed to let 483 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 2: your thirteen year old babysit her little siblings. You could 484 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 2: have a thirteen, eleven and nine year old and it 485 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 2: would be illegal for you to leave the thirteen year 486 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 2: old home while you go out to dinner. 487 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: And so you mentioned France before. France is the only West. 488 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: France did have much higher birth rights. They started to 489 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: come down, but it is the only country where it 490 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: did not increase the trend of overparenting. People were spending 491 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: less time with their children or as the years went by, 492 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: not more, which is extremely I mean, that's very French. 493 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: If anything's French, it's time with your kids over the 494 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: years goes by. Yeah, I completely agree. And the most 495 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: fascinating thing is in a free market right where like 496 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: let's say New York for example, because I just know 497 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: the numbers because I did it for the intro of 498 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: this podcast. New York has lost about ten percent of 499 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: their student population over a five year period. That is 500 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: an immense loss. It has closed a total of two schools. 501 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: They are changing different types of regulations to make schools 502 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: work because they don't need and also at the same time, 503 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 1: they've hired two thousand more workers in the school system, 504 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: so the school system employee population is growing. Schools are 505 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: not closing, but the student population is declining substantially. And 506 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: at what point does it become I mean, this is 507 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: just a state program for government governor employees to sit 508 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: there and run tver the free market. You have to 509 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: close in these schools. 510 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 2: No, I mean that's right that schools need to learn 511 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 2: how to become Either each school needs to become smaller 512 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 2: and learn how to be a small school, which means 513 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 2: not employing as many adults, or they need to consolidate, 514 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 2: and both of those Either one of those things could work, 515 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 2: and different places ideally would experiment with both of them. 516 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: The labor unions obviously are not going to be happy 517 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: with it. 518 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 2: But being a small school means you're going to give 519 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: up some nice things about a bigger school, like, oh, 520 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 2: maybe you know I went to a small high school 521 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: outside of New York in the suburbs. So we didn't 522 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 2: have like a lot of electives. There wasn't you couldn't 523 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 2: take a Shakespeare class. You couldn't there There was English, 524 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 2: and there was social studies, and that was part of 525 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 2: being a small school and had upsides, which is that 526 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 2: all the teachers knew the kids. Your English teacher was 527 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 2: your basketball coach. And it was a wealthy town in Westchester. 528 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 2: So we sort of took advantage of all the small 529 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 2: school stuff while you know, not getting some of the 530 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 2: things at New Rochelle next door with three times the 531 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 2: student size that they got, and so learning how to 532 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 2: be a small school as part of it, or consolidating. 533 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 2: And I don't want to be making that choice for anybody, 534 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 2: but those are going to be the choices that we 535 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 2: face because right now, the high school graduating class my 536 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 2: daughter graduated last year, that's the biggest one for the 537 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 2: foreseeable future. Across the US, the number of high school 538 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 2: seniors will be lower every year for the foreseeable future 539 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 2: because of how the birth rate has been falling for 540 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 2: eighteen straight years. 541 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: Here was two thousand and seven, I mean that's yeah, 542 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: and it's gone down every year since every kindergarten class, 543 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: and so the United States alone, I mean China's is 544 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: immeasurably smaller, but it's affected a lot of countries. But 545 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,239 Speaker 1: this goes to the bigger question of the role of 546 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: government in childcare. Right now, in Minneapolis, because of the 547 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: ICE raids, the teacher junior saying, hey, guess well, we're 548 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: going to strike in opposition to ice. Nothing to do 549 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: with the student population whatsoever. We saw this during COVID 550 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: So often, especially when it comes to education, but I 551 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: bet you as a childcare and other things, so often 552 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: the policies are about adults who work in those insties 553 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: and not actually about children. 554 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 2: That's exactly right, and that has been true for decades. 555 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 2: The COVID was just made that crystal clear to everybody 556 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 2: that they wanted to keep those schools closed when it 557 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 2: was very clear that children didn't get the virus as bad, 558 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 2: they didn't spread it as easily. This had nothing to 559 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,479 Speaker 2: do with children. This was in fact against the children 560 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 2: and not really in favor of the teachers health so 561 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 2: much as they're bargaining power. Right, And so when you 562 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 2: see big money being spent on something from a state 563 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 2: or federal government. Part of what you have to ask 564 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 2: is who's actually benefiting from it. It's like the Obamacare 565 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 2: subsidies are really subsidies for the health insurance companies. The 566 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 2: subsidies for the public school salaries, a lot of them 567 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 2: are for the teachers, and sometimes the teachers teachers' unions 568 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 2: are dumb enough to admit it. Not on a bigger scale, 569 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 2: even abstracting away from kids. Where I live in Northern Virginia, 570 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: you see all these signs we support our government workers, 571 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 2: as if that's the point of federal jobs. It's super 572 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 2: by jobs. No, they're supposed to be supporting us and 573 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 2: the Republicans doing with the military as well, Like, oh, 574 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 2: think of all the jobs we'd lose if we shut 575 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 2: down this military base in Oklahoma. That's not the point 576 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 2: of the military base. That's not the point of the 577 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 2: government jobs, and it's not the point. It shouldn't be 578 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 2: the point of supporting, you know, either childcare or education. 579 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 2: But that's the way special interest politics work. 580 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: There will be the. 581 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 2: Term concentrated benefits that the people who stand to benefit 582 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 2: the most from it will be the ones who have 583 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 2: the most control over the policies, and in these cases, 584 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 2: it's going to be the public sector unions. 585 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. Tim wrote a brilliant book it's gotta be over well, 586 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: it's definitely over a decadego called Obama Nomics about this. 587 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: I actually still cite that book and not regular conversation, 588 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: but when citing it, no, because it was I mean 589 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: it was. There are times where you read a book 590 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: about politics and there's like a moment where something clicks 591 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: so profoundly and that you're like, oh, wow, this is 592 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: how it was Like that with you know, black right 593 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: next and liberals from Thomas Sulwyn. You wrote in your book, 594 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: you wrote about regulations over the cigarette industry and you 595 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: were like, yeah, they actually advocate for it. Big companies 596 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: do because it weeds out the smaller ones so they 597 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: get to monopolize the entire pie. And that's how government 598 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: great economic monopolies. One of I mean, I haven't read 599 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: the book in a very long time, but it was 600 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: a profound thing that I've held on to all these years. 601 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I get it now, Like I completely 602 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: understand because of this one passage. So very very good 603 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,719 Speaker 1: book along with Tim to other stuff. Tim, where can 604 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: people go to read for your work and get and 605 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: follow you on social media. 606 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, so basically everything I write is at the Washington Examiner. 607 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 2: I'm also a visiting fellow, as you said, at AI, 608 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 2: so you know, I do events there and that kind 609 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 2: of stuff. AI dot org Washington Examiner dot com. On Twitter, 610 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 2: I'm Tpcarney. That's for Timothy Patrick Charney, very very Italian 611 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 2: name there. And I try not to be too too 612 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 2: obnoxious on Twitter. But this is this story, this childcare 613 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: one that took off. Elon tweeted it at and so 614 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 2: oh wow, that was nice. Nice for traffic there. 615 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: That's awesome. Well, congratulation that. Thank you so much for 616 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: coming this podcast. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Now 617 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: it's time for Asking Me Anything. If you want to 618 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: be part of the Ask Me Anything segment, email me 619 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: Ryan at Numbers Game Podcast dot com. That's Ryan at 620 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: Plural Numbers Game Podcast dot com. I have an empty docket. 621 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: Email me. You will get your questions answered this week 622 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: on the show. I look forward to them. This questions 623 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: for my buddy Joel. He's written me a number of times. Joel. 624 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan that you're a devout listener of 625 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: this show. He mentioned that Tom Cotton's bookshelf. On an 626 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: episode previous that he said he was looking at the 627 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: books and what they said about his politics, and he 628 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: actually said he mentioned he asked what books were on 629 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: my bookshelf and any titles you'd recommend that really shaped 630 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: your political worldview. Okay, I have a bookshelf to my 631 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: back over here, you apolic see. If you're watching on YouTube, 632 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: there's also a whole bookshelf in front of me that 633 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: you guys can see. I picked up a few of 634 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: them that I actually really really love. Some of them political, 635 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: some aren't so. First one that I have is Diary 636 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: of a Man in Despair by Friedrich Reck. It is 637 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: our Reck, like I think for Rek. It is my 638 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: favorite World War two book that there is. It is 639 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: a fabulous, fabist book. It is about It is about 640 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: a German nobility seeing the rise of Nazism and being 641 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: horrified by it. And it details why Nazism was bad 642 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: from a conservative perspective, and just the loss of one's 643 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: country and the beginnings of the Holocaust. It is absolutely fabulous. 644 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: It definitely gave me a perspective to a conservative, A 645 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: traditional conservative. I say traditional, I don't mean like you know, 646 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: Rodney republicanism. I mean like traditional old conservatism and love 647 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: of country and familiar familiarity, and about a little peek 648 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: into those people who oppose Nazism from that perspective. Next 649 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: book I have is Camp of Saints, very famous book. 650 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's even in print anymore. It 651 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: wasn't for a while, if you can get your hands 652 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: on it. Talk about this book to Anne Culture all 653 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: the time and thought it was hilarious. It gave me anxiety, 654 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: but it's a fabulous book about immigration and migration. And 655 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: this is not a political book, but one I highly recommend. 656 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,720 Speaker 1: It is a book called Walking Papers by Francesco Clark. 657 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: It is but a man who has a jumps into 658 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: a swimming pool, breaks his neck and becomes paralyzed from 659 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 1: the neck down. And it is his story about trying 660 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: to build a career and a life for himself being paralyzed. 661 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: It is one that I go to. I've read this 662 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: book a couple of times, and it's one and where 663 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: you're feeling like, you know, I gotta make it, I 664 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: gotta do something, I gotta build for myself, and it's 665 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: a very inspiring story. Okay. Last three, this is also 666 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: not a political one. But you guys know I love 667 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: true crime for those who read it. The Man with 668 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: the Candy the story of the used of mass murderers 669 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: one of my favorite of the candy man killers. Phenomenal book. 670 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: Gives you hard palpitations, makes you think. This book is 671 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: not is a fiction book, but it is political. It 672 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: is The Mandibles by Lionel Schreiver. This is a book 673 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm telling you Lionel Streiver when she nails it. 674 00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,959 Speaker 1: I don't love all her books, but when she nails 675 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: let me tell you. This book came out, I read it. 676 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,919 Speaker 1: I think it kept me up for three straight and eyes. 677 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: I had to finish it because it is about what 678 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: life in America is like when the dollar collapses. If 679 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: you don't have anxiety and night sweats reading this book, 680 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: I met Lionel. I was like, Lionel, you ruined like 681 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: two weeks of my life trying to get back from 682 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,720 Speaker 1: where I was, and it makes me think about economic policy. 683 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 1: It is a phenomenal book. It literally gives me immense 684 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: amount of anxiety. Okay, politically oriented books. I was thinking 685 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 1: about this because you said, what shape your political worldview? 686 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: I have a patty Canan Book IV and Colder Book. 687 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: But I'm going to pick two more obscure books that 688 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: I think about all the time. One is called What 689 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: Are People For? By Wendell Berry. Wendell Berry is one 690 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: of these authors, really old American authors. He wrote a 691 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: short story called Making It Home, which is one of 692 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: my favorite stories. It's about World War Two. It's unbelievably good. 693 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: But what I love about What Are People For? Is 694 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: the essential question of our people? Meant is the is? 695 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: The is the human soul and the human body isn't 696 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: meant to be crammed into like Section eight housing in 697 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: overcrowded cities. And is meant? Is there any dignity associated 698 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: with anything that we're doing? And what is the level 699 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: of human dignity that should be paid to by us 700 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: as people? It's a very deep concept. There's a businessman 701 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: named Brunello Cucnelli who's an Italian fashion designer. He sells 702 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: very expensive clothing, but he talks to us a lot 703 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: with his own business, and it's something I've thought a 704 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: lot about as a boss and as an employer, and 705 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 1: then as in my politics as well. And the last 706 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: book is by Amy Chua's called political tribes. You could 707 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: see all my little thumb notes in the ear. I 708 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: think I sent it to her in an email one time. 709 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: How much I really really love this book and it 710 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: is about something that people don't know noth of this 711 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: country about. It focuses on overseas populations and how a 712 00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: lot of times it's it's it's an enormously important topic 713 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: no one talks about. It talks and focuses a lot 714 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: about economic dominant minorities, populations that were a minority of 715 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: population a majority of economic output. I'm talking the Chinese 716 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: in Vietnam, Indians in Ghana, Indians and Ethiopia, Jews in Germany, 717 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:25,280 Speaker 1: and whites in South Africa. And what happens to people 718 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: and how tribal are people when feelings of resemblent and 719 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: jealousy take over. Something I think about very very very often, 720 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: as our politics are changing and our politics are doing stuff. 721 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: It's I think it's a phenomenal book. I can't recommend enough. Okay, 722 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: that is just a few books on my shelf. I 723 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: thank you for resting that question, Joel. I get to 724 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,439 Speaker 1: sit there and talking about books for a while and 725 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 1: tell you all what I and Gusha were wrote books 726 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: I really really love. So I have huge exciting news 727 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: that I am breaking tomorrow and if you don't see it, 728 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: please listen to the Wednesday show. It is going to 729 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: be very, very exciting. I will have on a special 730 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: guest to talk about my breaking news. But I really 731 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: hope you listen to it and you like and subscribe 732 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: to this podcast give me a five star review. If 733 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: you're feeling generous, please like and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app, 734 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, YouTube, wherever you get your podcasts, and I 735 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 1: will see you guys on Wednesday