WEBVTT - Featuring Brynn Elliott 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:05.000 Hey guys, it's Sammy J. And welcome to this week's 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:08.280 episode of the Lesbi Real Podcast. I am so honored 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:11.119 because I got to talk to my friend Bryan Elliott. 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:14.680 She is an incredible singer songwriter and has such an 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.640 interesting perspective in which she writes and views the world. 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.800 And I love this episode. It has such a special 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:23.680 place in my heart because I feel like it embodies 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:26.319 exactly what I want to do with this podcast. I 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:28.920 hope you guys enjoy it and I will see you soon. 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:37.080 For everybody who does not know Bryan Elliott, UM, I 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:38.800 want to give some background how we met because it's 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:41.320 been a minute in its beautiful story. It is so 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.559 I first met you. I think it was in August eighteen. 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:46.680 Are coming up on three years of knowing each other. 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:51.479 UM at the Arthur ash Kid's Day you performed. Is 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:56.800 when I was working with Radio Disney, a Radio Disney UM, 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.360 and I was introduced to and first of all, I 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:01.880 saw your set and I was like, man, this girl's 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.279 got some spunk. And then I just learned more about 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.280 your story and you told me about yourself. I was like, man, 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.000 like you're so inspiring. So for those who don't know, 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.320 tell them just your story, how you started out songwriting, 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.880 what your process was, and you're going to Harvard and 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:22.520 all that. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny because going to Harvard 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:27.640 and me doing music are kind of inextricably linked, which 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:31.320 is really funny. It's hysterical because didn't you remember you 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:33.160 telling you apply the first time you didn't get in? 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:37.280 Didn't get in? Yeah, So like in high school, starting 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.960 freshman year, I read Part and Prejudice in my freshman 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:47.680 English class, fresh English, freshman English class, and I just 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:51.680 got I got obsessed with like Jane Austen and like 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:58.000 nerdy literature, eighteenth century women authors, and I really thought like, 0:01:58.040 --> 0:01:59.920 oh my goodness, I just want to read books for 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.360 the rest of my life. And I thought, like where 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.200 do I Where do I do that? I must go 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.720 to Harvard or something. And I said it one day 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:09.800 to a friend kind of as a joke because they 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:12.240 asked me, like, where do you want to go to college? 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:14.240 I was like, I don't know, like where the nerds 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:17.800 go Harvard? And then I realized as I was joking 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:20.320 about that, that that was actually a real dream of 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:24.560 mine in that moment, and my parents didn't go to college, 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:28.880 and so even saying that seemed kind of hilarious and 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:32.560 completely out of reach. But I just decided, and I 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:34.799 had a conversation with my mom and my dad and 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.560 they were like, you know, you're kind of really social 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:39.040 and you're like hanging out with your friends. You might 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.839 need to like study just a little bit more if 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.880 you want to go to Harvard and UM. And so 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:46.919 that's what I did. My whole life actually just kind 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:51.880 of shifted. It was Harvard, it was Harvard or or Out, 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:55.760 We're out. It was like Rory Gilmore and Gilmore very 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.400 I watched that show. It was a great, very formative yes, 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:03.640 and and so I was so overwhelmed throughout high school 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:07.239 just trying to figure it out, not having a background 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.359 family wise that went to call Like I didn't even 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.000 know what a college application was. I had to google it, 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:18.040 and yeah, Google is everything. And I had some really 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:21.040 great friends who really helped, who knew more about the 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.840 process and UM. And so at the end of the day, 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:29.640 I just found myself completely needing to not feel like 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:33.840 a college resume. UM. I needed to feel human again. 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.600 And my dad had this guitar that he bought when 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:40.760 he and my mom first got married. Um he got 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.800 it at a pawn shop and I was like, it 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.320 just it almost like called out to me, like play 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:51.440 me the guitar, which sounds like really cheesy, and but 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:53.680 it really was that. It was like you need to 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:57.680 do this, and um So I just started like learning 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:02.160 off YouTube chords, playing Taylor Swift and ed Sharon songs, 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.960 um and and I did that for like a year, 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.680 and then songwriting became. I just started writing songs. It 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:11.840 became this way for me to process at the end 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:15.120 of a really intense time in high school. And I 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:18.920 wrote so many songs. I think I wrote like thirty songs, 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.640 um in what time span in like in like three years. 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:27.960 That's still substantial. Yeah, with like applying and applying to 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:33.440 school and um so then I put my songs. I 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.040 put them on my college application kind of as like 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:40.839 really never thinking anything of it. Um that's so smart though. Yeah. 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.200 I was just like it's something that I've been doing. Yeah, 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.480 and it's a way to show show yourself and stand 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:50.040 out instead of being like I went to these classes, 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:52.640 I got these grades, and to show who you are. Yeah, 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:54.320 And I think there was always this part of me 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.560 that was like I knew that I was a nerd 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.400 and knew that I loved reading, but then music was 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.200 kind of my safe place. It was always a place 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.800 I like. My mom was very musical growing up, and 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:10.520 so music really felt second nature. And so I think 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:12.159 it was this kind of thing where I put it 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.680 on there because I was like, well, this, this is 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:16.880 always going to be part of me in some way, 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:20.359 so I want to show that. And when you applied 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:24.880 to Harvard, did you apply for the philosophy making it undeclared? Well, 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:28.400 it's undeclared. You don't have to declare, I think until 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:31.240 you're a sophomore at Harvard. But I knew that I 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:35.919 wanted to study philosophy. UM. I loved the idea of 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:39.480 asking questions what it means to be human and like, 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:44.760 I mean, your EP is literally a question that's very intentional, 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:50.160 too exactly. But so the story is I applied and 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.120 did not get in UM. And that was a real 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:58.120 blow because I my whole life was oriented around that school, 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.360 around that school, which was pretty it's pretty much a lot. 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.640 And I called my mom so sad, and she was like, 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:08.520 brand this is disappointing, but like it's okay, We're going 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:13.080 to get through this, I don't um And I got 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.839 a through a family friend, got an opportunity to start 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:19.520 doing music to work with a producer, and I kind 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:22.320 of thought such a random thing, and I was like, well, 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.200 I could just do that for a year, like do 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:27.359 this music internship, like learn how to produce out my 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:32.040 songs and learn about music and the industry. Still thinking 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:36.760 like I'm going to go to Ford. Well, I definitely. 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:38.640 I mean in my brain, I was like, I'm going 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:42.039 to reapply to Harvard because why not? Like what do 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:43.840 I have to lose that this was your gap year? 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.080 This was Yes, That's how I was framing it was 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.080 like this is my gap year. And I definitely had 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.480 another college in mind because I was like, Okay, if 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:53.280 it's not Harvard, I still really do want to go 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:58.920 to college. This period Wake Forest University, which is still 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.600 has a very special place in my heart because I 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:05.320 really did almost go there. But even then I was like, Okay, 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:07.719 I'll just do this music thing for like fun, but 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:09.840 I'm probably just gonna go to school and become like 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.040 a like I'm going to study philosophy, So what do 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:16.400 you do with you didn't think no, I was never 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.840 like I'm gonna do I'm going to pursue music. I'm 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.760 gonna be an artist. That was not my vocabulary. What 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:24.320 do you think going into it you were going to 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:26.600 end up doing if it wasn't music. I think I 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.120 just wanted to be. I was like, I'll probably be 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.720 a teacher. I'll study studying philosophy. Isn't like that much 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.080 different from saying I want to be an artist, but like, 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:36.240 I just I don't know. For me, it felt like 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.720 a more um like teaching felt like more of a 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:43.120 job than some kind of nebulous like I want to 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:46.520 be an artist thing. And it was actually my dad 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:51.680 when I was I was applying reapplying to Harvard, and 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:55.400 I was so like fixated on that and very nervous. 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.280 Um my dad called me. I had sent him some 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.880 of the music I was working on, and he called 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:02.680 me and he was like, Bren, I just just want 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:04.520 to say something, and he's like, I don't know how 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.880 you're going to react to it, okay, which when he 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.800 would say that, it was always like a stomach oh yeah, 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.600 here we go, or I just I knew I was 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.000 I needed to like calm down, but he was like, 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.120 you should go to college, like I want that for 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:21.440 you know. He I think he really wanted me to 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:24.400 go without like pressuring me. He's like, you know that, 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.920 that's like you know, we want that, we want that 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:31.440 for you. But he was like, I think you're an artist. 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:34.200 I was just like what he was like, I think 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.120 you need to allow yourself to view yourself that way. 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:41.280 It's okay, and like, first to have a just to 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:46.000 have a person, let alone a parent say that. I mean, 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:50.200 I know my other artist friends, other friends who you know, 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.440 we aren't doing art by are doing other things. Like 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:57.880 I just know how incredibly privileged and beautiful that is 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.520 to have a parent who encourages that. So so that 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:04.040 was really the shift. That was really when I was like, whoa, 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.439 I think my dad is right, he's name is. He 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:09.000 knew me really well and he knew that I needed 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:12.800 permission to go there, and so I applied to Harvard. 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.320 I got in, and then I'm like, oh my gosh, 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.680 I'm an artist now because I decided this is my 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:22.800 only label. Yes, like no, exactly. That was the journey 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.080 was learning that you can as a human carry Yeah, 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.079 that's that's natural, that's normal, And that was really the 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.360 conversation was like, I am going to go to school, 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.160 and the thought that I had was like, you know, 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.920 having a career in music isn't something you just It's 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.679 not overnight. It's really not, and people think it is. 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.640 I've learned over the past couple of years from just 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:49.160 doing my work it is such a hard job because 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:53.880 it is so oversaturated. Yes, especially now, especially now, especially 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:58.040 with TikTok and things just going viral. To be an 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:04.280 artist and release music and have that be your full income, girl, rough, yes, 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.400 unless you're are on a grand day, you know, well 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:11.560 then even then, I mean I hear I hear those 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:14.800 artists even talking about how I think it was. Even 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:16.839 like Julia Michael's on Twitter the other day, it was 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.680 so inspiring. She was like, it's so hard because like 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.240 you have to have a TikTok story or a streaming story, 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.880 and and she was going she speaking of a vulnerable, 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:30.920 honest person. Wow. Yeah, So I think I think for everyone, 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:33.320 no matter what, at any stage, you know, we're just 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:37.880 trying to navigate a new landscape. And especially with the 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:42.520 complete like shutdown of live music, TikTok really has become 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.520 the only way to you know, get your music out there, 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.120 so I understand why we are where we are, but 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:51.640 it is it's tricky. It's tricky enough, it's really tricky, 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:55.040 and it brings into the question like what's doing well. 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.280 Is it the songs by people that actually are an 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.240 artists that do it just for fun and that put 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:02.600 it I was a joke and then it goes viral 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:05.439 or is it the people that spend their time working 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.600 on the craft and then release it. Yeah, I don't know. 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.680 That's a good question. I think probably both are true, 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:16.080 and that I like that breakdown. Well, so I think 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:22.360 something from about being my brother's philosophy major. It's fascinating 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:24.360 and the whole point of philosophies you just talked about 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:30.480 asking questions. Have you used any of the philosophy concepts 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:32.680 and theories in your writing or has it made you 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:37.200 view songwriting as a whole any differently? Yeah, it really 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:42.000 helped me with songwriting, I will say, studying philosophy, Yeah 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:45.440 it did. What was interesting was once I like was 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.640 fully in college and I was writing new songs. When 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:52.480 I was writing philosophy papers, I felt the same kind 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:55.520 of feeling that I felt when I was writing a song. 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.000 So interesting, Yeah, and I think it's because I think 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.679 it's also just like good writing in general, you just 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.520 you are trying to be clear and communicate these ideas. 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:06.640 Like when you're writing a paper, you like have your 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.840 main idea, your main concept. Like in a song, You're right, 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:11.880 you have that same thing in a chorus, like you're 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:17.400 trying to communicate, um, you know, the thesis. Yeah, and 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:23.600 I think songwriting is far more emotional um than than philosophy, 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.040 but I think they're kind of very similar. So would 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:30.160 you say songwriting is a shortened emotional version of philosophy too? 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:34.680 I love that, Yes, girl, make merch out of I think, yeah, 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:36.680 I need to get you involved because the way that 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:40.480 you just phase that again, it was like I don't 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:44.040 even emotional. Okay, wait, let me think. I think I 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.000 want to say, like overwhelmed, Like I'm like, it's just 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.440 hit me. I think it was. Songwriting is a shorter, 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.400 more emotional version of philosophy. I love that shorter and 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.680 more emotional version of philosophy. I love that. I want 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.680 to make I'm going to get on it today. Yeah. 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:04.560 What would you say your favorite philosophical theory is it 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:06.880 keeps you up that night? What I think about a lot. 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:11.000 Now is existential philosophy so like what I only took 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.880 a few classes, but it is this sort of like 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:18.040 the philosophy of the human experience, and I think it 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.480 really is. It has inspired a lot of my music 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:26.080 because it has to do with questions of authenticity and 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:30.760 um so, like the title for my EP Can I 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:34.840 Be Real? Came from this guy named sore and kir 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:38.880 Key Guard who is an existential philosopher. I think he 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.800 was eighteen hundreds and he wrote about yeah about He said, 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:47.120 the most common form of despair is not being who 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.640 you really are. And I see that and are like 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:54.480 in like today people on the internet, like we're all 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:59.400 just trying to be ourselves. Yeah, but there's so many 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:03.400 message is that we're receiving about what we should be, 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:05.320 you know, or which I think we're just kind of 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:09.840 like well. Social media definitely contributes to that and positively 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:13.160 and negatively in the sense of you see a highlight 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:16.160 reel not and you see that and you think that's 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:17.959 what I have to be. You feel bad because you're 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:21.920 not that, but everybody listening. Social media is so fake, 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:26.720 like it can be. It can be the generalized host 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.920 like I think of just No, that is not how 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:33.360 people look all the time. Oh no, let's make I 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.680 want to make that very clear because I felt for it, 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.640 and it was awful when I realized that wasn't true. 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.640 I was like, man, this is all just like a 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:46.880 weird experience. It's weird. It's a perception thing because you 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.480 see that and you're like, oh, that's really that's what 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:54.560 we should be. But then't even I heard this. I 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:59.640 think it was Cindy Crawford was interviewed once and someone said, 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:01.680 you know, I wish I looked like you, Like I 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:05.040 wish I looked like Sandy Crawford, And she said, I 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:10.920 wish I looked like Sandy Crawford too, right, Yeah, I 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:15.360 like that's how it is. I think today was TikTok 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.680 where this model I forget her name, but she was 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:24.440 saying the process to take that one photo, it's not 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:27.160 what she actually even looks like. It's five to six 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:31.960 hours makeup her photo shop lighting just to get one 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:35.720 photo the way that she's yeah, or sanding whatever. And 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.400 I was like, you're so, because there's the idea of 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.600 that the way you want to present, But then what 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.440 we actually all are and how we are day to day, 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.400 and part of me wishes we all showed that more 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.760 on social media. Yeah, I think it would help, It 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:53.680 would help me. It would help me too. And I think, 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:59.840 I know you're an overthinker. Yeah, but that's the thing 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.560 I'm so fascinating philosophy. For me, if I spent that 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:07.360 much time thinking about what is life, I would get 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.000 myself in a tail. It's not for everyone. How do 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:14.040 you as an over as a fellow, how do you 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:17.600 balance that between not overthinking but also living in the 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:19.960 moment and not worrying about what we are doing? As 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:24.760 a philosophical perspective, I think for me that's just been 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.640 about I think music, honestly, for me, has been a 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.360 way to kind of let it go, you know, to 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:35.400 just be in the moment. And I think it's why 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:39.400 I love performing so much, because when I walk on 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.400 that stage, all I have is that moment, you know. 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:47.520 And so I think music is a huge release. And 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.000 and yeah, and then just in life, like taking a walk. 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.320 I learned to walk during the pandemic, Like I don't 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.520 think I walked before or just like that wasn't a 0:16:55.600 --> 0:17:02.200 thing for Yeah, watching some funny TV, any any show recommendations. 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.560 You know, I've been watching New Girl from start to 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:09.119 have you finished it? I'm almost I'm on the last season. 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.760 I'm I'm getting a little emotional about it. Okay, So 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:17.200 I watched I think till season five, and then I 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:20.919 just for some reason I checked out, Well, yeah, I 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.879 had trouble getting through it. It's do you recommend to 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:27.359 push through? I think because it's such a specific type 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.960 of humor. I think there is that point where you're like, Okay, 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.600 I get I get what this is. But yeah, I'm 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:37.199 enjoying the last season because it's a little sentimental. But 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:43.160 maybe that's yeah, I like that TV show. Fun fact, 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:46.959 I met a guy off a dating app. Okay one time, 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.000 I've already done that, let's get into and we were 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:53.800 talking and he was saying, I saying, we're talking about 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.480 New Girls, Like, yeah, my least favorite character is Nick 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.760 because he's just like so angry at the time. He goes, man, 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:03.480 I'll my friends telling me. I'm like, I was like, oh, 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:05.600 I mean it was just angry. I was like, how 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:09.960 do I fix that? I can't recover from that. Did 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.320 you get like a feeling from him that he was 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.159 like a really angry when I was surprised when he 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:18.600 said that, because I wouldn't if I just say that maybe, 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.480 but yeah, I just feel like he complains a lot. Yeah, 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.400 Schmid is my favorite. Oh, Schmidt is great, so funny. 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.439 There are a few characters that are just so original. 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.480 Schmidt is one of them. Yes, I think that's the 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:35.640 beauty of the show. And even like Jess, like her quirkiness, 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:39.640 and it's just it's so relatable. It's very relatable. It's 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:41.439 just I don't know, you know, I started watching it 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:44.280 not too long ago, and you know how shows just 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:47.160 like like this works for me. Right now, That's how 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.840 I felt about Now. I don't know, I feel that 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.320 what show of I've been watching? The show is binging. 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.240 I was binging pot Stars for a little bit, like 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.320 so good. First of all, why is it on the 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:03.680 History Channel? Is the History Channel? Still? Like, I don't know. 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:08.520 It's a great mindless entertainment and learn some facts about antiques. Yes, 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:12.040 it's great. We have to take a quick break, but 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.240 when we come back, I want to talk more about 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:16.960 social media and if any of the TV shows you've 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.920 binged over the pandemic have helped you in being more creative. 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:32.480 We'll be right back. Do you think shows have been 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:38.680 helpful maybe subconsciously relaxed so you can get more creative. Yeah, 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:42.119 I think that works for me quite a bit. I 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.520 do think there's a fine line though, some because sometimes 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.840 TV shows for me has also been like a form 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:54.800 of escapism that I think there is like an unhealthy 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.320 thing there some shows where you're like, I just don't 0:19:57.359 --> 0:20:00.400 want to deal with whatever. Um, and so I think 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:02.080 that's the thing that you know, I've just you just 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.560 have to check in with yourself on is like am 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.280 I watching this because I just need a break from 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.520 Like I just need thirty minutes from my own mind. 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:13.359 I need to watch Jessica Day deal with her fake 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:16.960 like TV life and I can or is this like? 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:19.080 Or am I like avoiding something? And I think the 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:21.600 avoidance is like it's always hard because it's so easy 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:26.520 to avoid things. But um, it's funny. I my friend 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:30.360 gave me a philosophy book to read the other day, 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.159 and I read it as a way to wind down 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.480 because I hadn't I haven't read a lot of philosophy 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:40.080 other than my existentialists bros who I write songs about 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:44.200 or with like inspired by since Um and this one 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:45.720 was kind of about the mind body thing and that 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:47.960 was really relaxing. So I think it really can be 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:52.480 anything that just feels like this is taking me out 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:55.600 of whatever situation that i'm and that's that's been my 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.080 experience recently. I saw you, I think it was in 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:05.280 February or early March, and in this I know and 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:08.920 I remember then I was in such a creative rhet 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:10.919 and I remember talking to you about it because I 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:14.359 had just applied to college. I did the entire season 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.240 of the podcast. From my goodness, it was a lot, 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:22.960 and I'm so glad, like because now we're here, you're here, yeah, 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:26.159 like so you know what you're doing a little know 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:29.440 it worked out like it was all the unknown then 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:31.919 right now things have figured out a little more in 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.320 my life. But I remember I was in such a 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:37.760 creative run and that is such a discouraging feeling. And 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:41.040 I feel like it's not talked about enough because I 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:43.399 remember I looked up YouTube videos what to do if 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:45.760 you're in a creative rhet and frankly, you don't know 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:47.480 when it's going to come back, when you're gonna feel 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:50.679 o rejuvenated. Have you ever been in that situation, what 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:53.679 do you do and when you're just can't come up 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:58.440 with those lyrics or you can't you don't your batteries drained. Yeah, 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:01.320 that's a great question, and I ink I do think 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:05.880 that the pandemic exacerbated all of that for for all 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:09.600 of us who are kind of in these creative fields. 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:12.760 I mean, I know a lot of my friends were like, 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:15.480 you know, I'm just drained, and I think it's Zoom. 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:18.000 I think Zoom is the big drainer. But that's another 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:22.159 ranch with you. I completely agree with you. Yeah, so 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:23.960 what I think that's what it is. Like the nature 0:22:24.000 --> 0:22:26.400 of the time, it just was emotionally draining. I mean 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:30.960 not just our country, but the world went through hell. 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:34.040 I mean it was just like and then we're still 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:35.800 in it. Yeah, And I think there is a light 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:38.359 at the end of the tunnel. I absolutely do, and 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:41.639 I hold on to that. But and it's just so hard. 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:44.680 So I think we have to give ourselves like grace 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:47.480 and that it's like, which is so hard because like 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:55.840 I'm such an achieveril we really are, Um, I just 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:57.600 I have to have had to come to this point 0:22:57.600 --> 0:23:00.240 where I'm like it's okay that I haven't it. And 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:03.200 I did come out with an ep and of a pandemic. Yes, yes, 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:06.680 it has been so good. It's been so good. But yeah, 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:09.160 but like, as achievers, you know this that there will 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:12.159 never be a moment where we're like satisfied, you know, 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:14.520 I just don't think that's going to be our reality. 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:17.760 And then throw a global pandemic on top of that 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:20.680 and you're just you know, it's hard, but I think 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:24.560 for me, I've had to endlist some resources to help 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:27.800 me process. I'm started reading this book called The Artist Way. 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:30.840 Have you ever heard about it? It's I don't know, 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:34.920 I've just I've actually just started it, and it's, um 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:38.160 this woman named Julia Cameron, and she's inspired a lot 0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:41.960 of Like there's some famous people that she has helped 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:45.479 get through I'm forgetting and forgetting I should look at 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:48.760 my book. But basically she just has this thing called 0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:53.320 daily or morning Pages, where you like you write down 0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:59.199 extreme of consciousness, whatever comes to your head and you 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:03.160 don't judge yourself. So like, as a songwriter especially, I'm 0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:06.200 like which words work, and like when you're in when 0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:08.040 you're collaborating with other people, you're like, oh, I have 0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:10.360 this idea but I'm really afraid to say it because 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:12.720 what if they don't like it? And she's like, it's 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:16.400 all about like confronting your inner critic and just saying no, 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:19.360 you don't get to have to say here. So that's 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:22.359 been really helpful for me. It's just like getting the 0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:25.920 ideas out on paper and not listening to that internal 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:28.960 judge voice that I have. And then she has like 0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:31.320 another thing called the artist state, where you just go 0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:35.680 out and take yourself out to a museum or you 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:39.480 bake something. She's like, it can be even yeah, and 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:43.280 just like enjoy the experience of that and let that 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:47.280 fuel you. So as I've kind of like experienced maybe 0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:51.399 a little bit of healing from this kind of creative 0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:54.240 route that I was in, I've I've found myself writing 0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:57.240 songs that I'm like, yeah, that's that's what I needed 0:24:57.240 --> 0:24:59.119 to write about. That's what I'm going through, and that 0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:01.800 feels right. That's so awesome to be able to have 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:05.000 an outlet like that and that that that's the power 0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:07.680 of music. Is that what you're going through, so many 0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:10.920 other people are and it just makes you feel not alone. 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:15.520 We've been through a global pandemic as year and a half. 0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:19.200 Our lives have been substantially changed. I had my entire 0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:24.880 senior year online. Oh my gosh, on zoom, you haven't 0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:28.240 been able to perform right? How are you? How are 0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:31.440 you doing? Just I think we need to talk about that. 0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:34.000 We're in general, it's not talked about like how are 0:25:34.000 --> 0:25:36.920 you doing? Mentally? Are you coming out of it? Are 0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:40.200 you still in it? How are you? It's a good question, 0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:42.720 thank you for asking, of course, and not just like 0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:45.240 the how are you doing? Oh I'm good? Like how 0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:51.160 are you actually doing? You know, Sammy I And this 0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:55.360 is a little heavy, but you know this we talked 0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:59.159 to the other day on the phone. But um, I 0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:01.880 think it's about like eleven weeks ago, now, ten weeks ago, 0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:06.320 I lost my dad, not to covid um, but I 0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:13.040 lost him suddenly and unexpectedly, and it's been horrible. I mean, 0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:15.160 like I told the story about him earlier, like he 0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:20.000 was so good and while I'm so grateful that I 0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:23.800 had twenty six years with an amazing father, like it's 0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:28.200 just it's just this such a big hole in my life. 0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:32.160 So now I feel like I'm kind of just grieving 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:35.760 and going through a really personal and deep grief on 0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:40.879 top of the pandemic. But in some ways, like you know, 0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:43.719 we're all grieving. We're all grieving, and I've had so 0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:49.120 many friends lose people like grandparents are and maybe I'm 0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:51.000 just more aware of it now than I was in 0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:53.199 the past, but I really do feel like there's just 0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:56.320 been such a hard, such a hard year and a 0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:59.360 half for so many people. And so yeah, so I'm 0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:02.800 you know, I have a lot of like hope right 0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:07.600 now about moving through this and moving forward and keep going. 0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:11.399 My last conversation with my dad, he told me I 0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:16.000 was probably like freaking out about something regarding the music business, 0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:20.560 and he just said, it's just like keep going. You 0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:23.400 got this, so it'll all work out. You got this. 0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:26.280 And so I'm really just trying to hold onto that, 0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:28.840 you know, I feel I feel him a lot when 0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:32.240 I when I am writing or playing music. I'm going 0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:34.960 on tour this fall, and he loved I met him 0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:38.400 on tour that when I met you too, yes, and 0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:40.719 and that was just like he he just loved it. 0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:44.480 And so I I'm excited to do that and and yeah, 0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:47.480 so it's like both I think a lot of life. 0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:50.560 What I'm learning is like there's this guy named Frederick 0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:54.600 Beeckner who says, in this life I'm paraphrasing, but in 0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:57.840 this life, beautiful and terrible things will happen, but don't 0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:01.200 be afraid. And I'd say that's just what it is, 0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:04.120 you know. It's like life is, at the same time, 0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:08.800 sometimes within the same day, really horrible and really hard 0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:13.119 and really wonderful and beautiful. And so I think learning 0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:16.119 to live in that tension is is what it's about, 0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:20.680 and finding the joy within the little things too, which 0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:23.200 can be It's it's all about the way I think 0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:26.199 you look at the world and you can portray you 0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:28.120 can find a negative of anything, and you can find 0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:32.280 it positive in anything. Yes, And we should strive to 0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:35.880 find the positive and more yes, yes, and live in that, 0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:39.880 you know, because I think if you look throughout history 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:43.160 and people, it's like that is what gets you through that, 0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:46.840 what that's what makes you fight for another day is 0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:53.400 the hope of something else exactly, and just surrounding yourself 0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:56.680 with people that you love and doing what you love 0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:00.800 and you still get to go on tour. Oh my gosh, 0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:03.800 are you so excited. I'm so excited. What was Do 0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:06.920 you remember the last live show you performed at Oh goodness, 0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:10.920 I think so it was. Yeah, it was with James Arthur. 0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:14.240 I was opening for James Arthur on that run. We've 0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:18.600 played the Troubadour here and I like, I'm obsessed with 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:23.080 that venue. Yeah, so incredible, So that one really stands 0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:26.640 out and people are playing shows and it's just so 0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:29.479 great to see it. It is weird. It's weird. We 0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:31.880 were talking about this, like, it's definitely a different dynamic 0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:35.080 and people are trying their best to be safe and 0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:38.040 it's back but it's you know, it's just in its 0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:41.959 own variation and it's a very it is a variation. Um, 0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:46.480 but I'll take anything. Yeah, as long as it's not unzoomed. 0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:49.120 I'm thinking the first live event it was with you. 0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:53.720 It was the Rooftop that was like our low key 0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:57.120 like save Yeah, everyone was wearing math. Everyone was still 0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:59.280 great though, because I was like Ben shout out to 0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:03.600 Ben Farber. Yeah, it was like I forgot. I was like, man, 0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:06.560 this is what live music is like. It just brings 0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:10.720 people together and that's what music does. Yeah, yeah, and 0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:14.360 it Yeah, it's the most I think that's the most 0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:17.920 beautiful thing about music, honestly, is that you can come 0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:23.520 from completely different countries, completely different backgrounds, different languages, worldviews, 0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:26.920 and come together and just be in that moment. I 0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:30.840 think that's especially in the world we have of so 0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:35.280 much tension animosity towards each other, being able to have 0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:38.640 a night where literally like an hour and a half, 0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:40.920 an hour and a half is all you need. You're 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:45.680 all together and you're just in the moment, enjoying it, 0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:48.760 enjoying it. There's not worrying about what work you have 0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:52.480 to do tomorrow, about the day you've had. But this 0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:57.600 guy thinks, sir, you're just living your best life. Yeah, 0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:00.360 it's really special, to be honest. My favorite answered, so 0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:04.320 when you don't have your phone out videotaping it, can 0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:10.760 we talk about that. I'm very conflicted. Okay, here's my perspective. Okay, 0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:13.520 when I was I think I was ten or eleven, 0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:20.880 I saw I saw Maroon five, Okay, getting I'm getting 0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:24.200 it was in mask and Square Garden. We somehow got 0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:28.920 floor seats. It was like the best thing ever. And 0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:33.440 I remember so specifically Adam Bean said, everybody, I want 0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:36.640 you to stop videotaping. I want you to put away 0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:39.280 your phones and just live in the moment. And there 0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:41.800 was this girl that was still videotaping, and he took 0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:45.000 her home, put it on the stage. He goes, I'll 0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:47.640 give it back to you after the set. And then 0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:53.000 and I was like, man, this is actually really great 0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:56.040 because though I wish I could have this to look 0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:58.840 back on my phone, I'm going to have this in 0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:01.120 my memories of just living in the moment. And this 0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:03.840 was what now, nine years ago, and I still have 0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:08.080 specifically that moment in my head. It's not recorded, and 0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:10.680 I think that's what's great about it. Though I want 0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:13.800 a videotaped look at, sometimes the memories are better at 0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:16.360 my opinion, what's your take on it? You know? I 0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:20.680 think for me as an artist, as a performer, I'm 0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:23.240 fine with it at my shows because I want people 0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:25.240 to do what they want to do and and like, 0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:27.160 this might sound really weird, but this is called the 0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:29.440 Let's Be Real podcast, so I'm gonna be real. But 0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:31.720 like it is, it does help me sometimes, like when 0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:34.560 people post about my music at this point because I'm 0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:38.720 still at such an early stage. But I do like 0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:41.960 when when I go to the shows, I'm often like 0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:44.080 playing out my phone because I want to be like, 0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:46.560 I want to post it and like, look where I 0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:50.720 first instincts now, isn't that so weird we think about it? 0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:53.200 That's what's weird to me. That's what I have to 0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:56.040 confront myself. I thought about it like that brand, that's weird. 0:32:57.560 --> 0:32:59.200 But like I don't think we should like we should 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:01.400 have grace first else than that as well. But it's 0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:05.520 just like no, But the fact that our first instinct now, 0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:07.600 now that I'm looking back, I'm analyzing my entire life. 0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:11.640 The fact that our first instinct now is to not 0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:17.560 enjoy what we're doing but tell people about it is 0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:21.800 really interesting. And it's that whole social media experiment that 0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:26.720 bucks with my mind. Do you ever see the social dilemma? Oh? 0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:29.760 I couldn't. I couldn't speak for like three days after 0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:32.040 I saw that. I have my phone out of my 0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:36.280 social media app. Notification is still off from that, I'm 0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:38.560 proud of you. I'm proud of myself too for that 0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:41.360 and it's helped a lot. So what I recommend everybody 0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:45.320 take off the notifications from Snapchat, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, anything. 0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:48.600 I only have it on for Gmail incredible, So you're 0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:50.400 not tempted. You go on the apps when you want, 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:53.000 not when something alerts you it will help. See. I 0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:55.800 love that, and I love that you watch that that 0:33:55.920 --> 0:34:02.000 documentary and you made a very like practical, yes, conscious 0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:05.760 next step towards your own mental health. Because I think 0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:09.040 I think that was my experience watching the documentary and 0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:10.920 I loved it, but I was also like, oh my gosh, 0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.640 like it was very doomsday, and I was like, because 0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:17.360 it is. Yes, it hit too close to home, so close, 0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:21.239 so close, and it's succeeeing, even like the footage of 0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:24.880 the fourteen year old girl and and the like the 0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:28.680 rise of anxiety and depression and suicide. All of that 0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:35.080 stuff was so heavy. Um and and so I think, 0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:37.600 but I think what you did was so good is like, 0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:41.400 let's make a conscious decision to to change something about 0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:46.080 my interaction with it. I think that, I honestly think 0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:49.399 that is the path forward. And that's why I talk 0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:51.480 about it so much in my music as well, because 0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:53.759 I mean, it's just it affects me, and so I 0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:58.520 talk about it. But it's like social media is not evil, 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:02.080 it's a neutral space, but the way that we interact 0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:06.120 with it can be so healthy or not healthy. Yeah. Yeah, 0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:11.480 And so having those having these discussions, having conversation about it. 0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:14.680 I think that's the way. I hope so, and I 0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:18.319 think especially when people who have a big following time 0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:19.920 but like, man, this is not what I look like. 0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:22.320 This is from like a shoe from like this is 0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:26.279 that I'm in my pajamas. We have to take one 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:28.600 more quick break. But when we come back, let's talk 0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:31.600 about the perils of growing a social media following. And 0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:33.160 I also want to talk to you about your EP 0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:36.160 Can I be real, which I am obsessed with. We'll 0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:46.600 be right back. It's so interesting and I for someone 0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:52.480 who has anxiety, it's can be so toxic so fast, 0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:56.000 and I'm in this in between stage, which I feel 0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:59.359 like this isn't talked about. I'm building up my career right, 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:03.480 I'm trying to thank you. I'm trying to think of 0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:09.120 it as more of a business. But it's so hard 0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:11.000 because at the same time, I'm a nineteen year old 0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:15.640 girl being on social media. They're the same pressures. Yet 0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:19.680 I'm supposed to grow a following in order and that 0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:22.440 somehow is my worth how many followers I have, And 0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:25.040 that's what companies look at. And I understand that because 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:29.600 it's a business, but it's really hard sometimes and it's 0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:32.600 personal because it's you. It's like a business, but it's 0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:36.600 also you. It is it's not like another sort of 0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:42.480 like off side nail. Yeah, it's polish. Are you are? 0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:47.000 And it's finding that balance between having the difference of Okay, 0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:49.560 is this my worth? Is this really all that I'm worth? 0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:53.319 And it's having to separate that, like, no, there are 0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:57.640 two separate things. How have you dealt with that? Because 0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:00.919 I know I'm sure you've had similar people have told 0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:06.080 you said yes, yes, and again I totally understand what 0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:09.759 they're saying, um, and I want to be I want 0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:12.040 to be there for that. I want to build. That's 0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:15.719 why sometimes at concerts, I do, you know, say like 0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:18.080 I'm here at this cool thing, or like you know, 0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:21.560 like if you do make those decisions and you do 0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:25.040 want to promote what you're doing and put yourself out there, 0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:28.440 and I you best believe I'm on TikTok every day, 0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:34.360 you know, just going for it. But I think that, yeah, 0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:37.279 it's it is a question of worth and I think 0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:39.799 it's I think it's like and I wish it wasn't too. 0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:42.960 I really, I really wish I could mentally separate the two. 0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:47.279 But it's sometimes I don't know if it's being a 0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:50.920 teenage girl. I don't know if it's being in the 0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:54.920 entertainment industry. But I'm learning and I go through phases 0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:57.560 of it like Okay, how do I find a balance 0:37:57.560 --> 0:38:00.319 of what's good for my mental health to say off it? 0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:03.640 Because again, comparing yourself, I just that's what ends up happening. 0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:07.759 But also having to continue it. Yeah, yeah, having to 0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:12.239 keep going and posting, and yeah, I mean, well, first 0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:14.600 of all, I think that the fact that you're even 0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:18.360 having the conversation and you're even naming that this is 0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:21.319 how you feel, is like it's honestly such a big 0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:23.040 part of it. I feel like this part isn't talked 0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:25.760 about when people it should be talking. It's not talked 0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:29.600 about it should be. And I think, like for me, 0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:31.200 it's like I have so much I want to do. 0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:34.440 I would love like a million followers right now, like 0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:38.239 life a lot easier in a lot of ways. I 0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:40.960 feel like, yeah, it would just be great. But even then, 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:43.640 you know, then it's like even like the set of 0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:46.719 problems and there will never be a moment where it's like, 0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:50.239 all right, I'm good, you know. I think even when 0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:51.759 you have all of that you're still going to have 0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:55.640 to deal with your the worst thing. And I think 0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:59.680 that it's about knowing waking up and knowing like I 0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:04.239 think you do is so good for the world, you know, 0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:08.600 like having on his conversations is really good for the world. 0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:12.640 And even if it doesn't feel like you know, this 0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.000 big thing I know for me, like writing a song 0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:18.759 that means something to me that I feel like it's 0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:21.000 going to help someone, Like I think that at the 0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:23.920 end of the day is all we have. It just 0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:29.680 like am I waking up doing my best contributing something good? Yeah, 0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:33.200 and knowing that that's it. Doesn't the numbers will be 0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:36.200 there or they won't. But I woke up and I 0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:41.160 did something today. I think it's a little like nicely 0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:44.799 put no, but it's it's true, and it's a it's 0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:48.480 an interesting balance. And when I frankly, I've wanted you 0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:50.680 on the pod for a minute now, right when I 0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:54.200 think perform a Microsoft theater, I don't pitch the idea, 0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:56.279 and I said, what do you come on? You're like, 0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:59.040 of course, and like so this is a full circle. 0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:03.200 It's happening. But when I found out that your new 0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:05.640 EP was called can I be realized like, could this 0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:11.520 be better? But chills? Okay, I would like to say, 0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:14.880 tell me, I'm pretty yeah, it's all about this, but 0:40:14.920 --> 0:40:17.480 we're talking about First of all, it's a bob. Thank you, 0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:20.279 it's a bob. I was listening to it when I 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:21.680 was in the shower. I was like, this is good 0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:27.400 Bob day. I know you're so honest in your songwriting. 0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:31.320 How did that song come about? That's a that's a 0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:38.279 that's a real one. Um. Yeah, So it was a 0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:41.520 couple of things. I wrote down the lyrics maybe I'm 0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:43.960 worth more than some numbers or a score, which is 0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:47.120 exactly what we're I mean there it is. Um. I 0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:50.759 wrote that down in college because there was a scandal 0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:57.560 with the harvardman's soccer team where they had a group 0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:02.920 chat rating freshman women. But like to me, they were 0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:07.560 like girls like still yeah, um the incoming yeah, the 0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:14.040 incoming class on their physical attractiveness hotness, like literally giving 0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:18.480 these women a number and then describing you know, horrific, 0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:21.759 just like horrible things said about these women exposed to 0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:23.879 the group chat. I want to know that. I don't know. 0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:26.799 To this day, I'm not sure. Um, but some of 0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:29.040 my friends it was they were. I think they were 0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:32.319 juniors or seniors by the time it all came out. 0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:35.680 But for me, it just like not being part of it, 0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:37.719 but just kind of watching it unfold. And like some 0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:41.080 of the of my friends they wrote this incredible op 0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:44.520 ed in the newspaper about like how like why did 0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:46.640 we get here? The kind of thing. It's just like 0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:48.719 the whole thing, And then I just thought about how 0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:50.919 they must have felt and saw some of them yeah 0:41:51.040 --> 0:41:53.359 kind of like go through it. But at the same time, 0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:55.880 I was also going through like the whole social media 0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:58.399 thing and like still I'm you know, we're all still 0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:01.800 going through that. But I is like feeling really awkward 0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:06.680 about myself online and just um and was having was 0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:08.920 still doing music, so it was like having to post 0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:12.120 for that and and then when you're your own brand too, 0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:14.279 and when your own brand and here, and I was 0:42:14.400 --> 0:42:18.560 like the whole body positivity conversation wasn't happening quite yet, 0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:21.240 so I was like I felt weird about my body, 0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:23.759 and so I just I just like I was like, 0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:27.200 as women, can we just not be reduced to this thing? 0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:31.799 Can we just be like can you just care about yeah, 0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:35.000 can you care about what's in my brain for just 0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:38.440 a second, like you know, and just take me seriously 0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:42.160 what I have to contribute. Yeah, and and also like beauty, 0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:46.520 this concept of beauty is so and we have just 0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:52.520 made it about these like particular standards that like someone 0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:59.600 probably a dude, no or who knows. Honestly, I'm sure 0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:03.440 there's like a whole history thing there, but like reinforced 0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:07.040 by this, like obviously what you know, these women had 0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:11.239 gone through by dudes, the objectifying thing. And then, um, 0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:14.200 basically so I wrote down in my lyric notebook that lyric. 0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:16.320 And I always knew that I wanted it to become 0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:18.879 a song. And I never, like, I wrote songs other 0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:21.000 songs about the internet and stuff, but I never like 0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:26.280 landed on that topic until three years later I met 0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:29.200 a songwriter named Michelle Buzz. She goes by Buzz, but 0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:32.600 I called Michelle. What a great name, what an incredible name. 0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:37.040 Incredible name she's releasing at right now, Um yeah, that's 0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:40.799 her actual name. About Michelle, Michelle Buzz. She's releasing new 0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:43.160 music really soon and everyone should listen to it because 0:43:43.160 --> 0:43:46.600 she's incredible and and talks about these things she's so 0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:49.800 good at talking about like the real stuff and anyway, 0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:53.640 So I just met her day one. Why and I 0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:56.960 think this is why we became best friends. Was we 0:43:57.000 --> 0:43:59.719 were like man being a woman in the music industry, 0:43:59.760 --> 0:44:04.000 like bro, Like we really went there and talked about 0:44:04.000 --> 0:44:07.560 how I talked about this of like if I post 0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:11.360 as a as a you know, aspiring songwriter, sporing artist, 0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:14.600 if I post a picture without makeup all the time, 0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:17.000 like is that going to gain me new followers? Or 0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:19.440 do I need to post like the like the sexy 0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:23.960 stuff because that gets you followers. And that was a 0:44:24.040 --> 0:44:27.040 hard truth like we had we were like whoa, and 0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:31.919 so we just really really we laid it on thick 0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:35.480 and um, we had a session with the Monarch, this 0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:39.560 producer brother producer duo and they were really like pumped 0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:42.239 about the idea or Michelle and I just like we 0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:44.000 were like, we have to write a song about this, 0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:47.000 and so we did and tell me I'm pretty was 0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:50.480 what came from that. And so I'm very grateful. I was. 0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:53.840 Actually I've been in rehearsals for the past week for 0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:59.959 this Young Girl and um, that song, it's so fun 0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:03.480 to play. What would you say the hardest part of 0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:06.480 being a female in the music industry is well, I 0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:09.960 wonder if it's that. I wonder if it's that, you know, 0:45:10.080 --> 0:45:13.040 because I think I think even like Billie Eilish has 0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:15.840 talked about it a lot recently with her new stuff 0:45:15.880 --> 0:45:18.279 of just like, you know, you have to you have 0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:21.359 to pick a lane, like of like, but I think, 0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:23.040 but I also I also don't think you give to 0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:26.480 pick lane. I think as a as a woman, you're 0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:29.680 going to feel those pressures of like which angle do 0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:33.759 I go down? Which? And I think you just have 0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:36.719 to silence all of that, like Billy's doing, you know, 0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:40.800 like and just do what feels right for you. Social 0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:43.080 media is just they take the human out of a 0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:51.439 person where we forget they cry like they're just yeah, 0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:54.680 we're all we're all human, you know, And I feel 0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:58.000 like that should be celebrated. And keep in mind everyone 0:45:58.000 --> 0:46:00.839 has her insecurities. Oh yeah. If you say you're not 0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:05.799 and you don't have insecurities, then you're lying exactly. Instagram 0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:08.480 social media's a picture perfect world. Can't say it enough. 0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:12.000 I can't say it enough. I'm insecure to post photos 0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:15.239 when my acne is bad or when I feel not good. 0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:19.160 You know, I wish that wasn't the case. Yeah, I know, 0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:22.359 but there's something about it. There's something about it. But 0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:25.719 I think that's what's so special about your music in particular, 0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:30.920 because there are so many, so few people that really 0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:35.879 dig into our insecurities, really dig into that, because it's 0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:39.200 a stigma that it shouldn't be. So I applaud you 0:46:39.440 --> 0:46:43.000 for just being so authentic in your writing and in 0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:45.400 who you are. And though I know it can be 0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:49.480 really hard, I'm sure with people comparing themselves, like, keep 0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:51.480 doing what you're doing because I look up to you 0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:56.240 a lot. Thanks. I look up to you for talking 0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:59.480 about it. It's so exciting to talk about it. And 0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:02.480 so yeah, it's it's not it's not often, and I'm 0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:05.680 so glad that we can just like have a conversation 0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:09.359 and not where it's not media trained and the same thing. 0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:12.680 But like, yeah, man, life has been rough, and that's okay, 0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:16.360 that's okay, that's part of it. You believe through a pandemic. 0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:19.840 Be nice to yourself. Be nice to yourself exactly and 0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:24.319 to others. And please follow brand on Instagram. Listen to 0:47:24.360 --> 0:47:27.680 her ep can I be real? It's so fitting. I 0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:30.120 was when I was listening to some of the songs, 0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:32.399 I was like, man, this is important that it's out, 0:47:33.080 --> 0:47:35.680 and so I'm so glad it is and I'm so 0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:38.040 excited for when new music. And I'm going to see 0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:41.320 you live. Yes, You're awesome live, by the way, but 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:43.920 I've seen you twice one of the Microsoft Theater and 0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:47.440 ar thresh Kid's Day. Yes, both such fun day as well. 0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:50.280 I remember when I first when I started the Microsoft Theaters, 0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:52.799 like this girl is a bad as Thank you? That 0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:55.680 was like our first show. Yeah, that was a fun night. 0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:58.480 Pink suit, bring it back? You think I should bring 0:47:58.520 --> 0:48:03.840 it back? Oh? Interesting, Why wouldn't you? I don't know, 0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:05.720 but this is one of the one of my things. 0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:10.759 I'm like suit, I love a lavender, right, and we 0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:13.440 should bring them back just like since they are I 0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:16.640 feel I love they're powerful and are they more comfortable 0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:20.000 to performance? Absolutely, because they're like usually like yeah, the 0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:24.880 fabrics like louse and I love a suit. Who does. 0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:27.200 Maybe I'll bring it back. Let's bring it back. You 0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:32.560 can wear the merch with a shirt on it. I say, 0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:35.759 that's your style for story. I love it. I love it. 0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:39.120 I'm gonna have to hire you a stylist. Hey, I'm here, 0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:42.279 I'm in californ I love in California. Oh my god, 0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:44.879 that's so weird. How does that feel? I don't know. 0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:48.399 I love that, okay, because you're like you're like New York, 0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:52.960 like you're That's where I've lived my entire life. So 0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:55.759 are you going to like own the bicoastal thing or 0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:59.759 are you going to commit Okay because no matter what, 0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:04.200 my dogs there and Okay, well saying goodbye to him, Yeah, 0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:06.800 I know wherever the dog is is where home is exactly. 0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:09.200 That's what I say. He needs to come to California. 0:49:09.600 --> 0:49:20.760 But thank you Brent for coming on. Thank you guys 0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:22.759 so much for listening to this week's episode of The 0:49:22.840 --> 0:49:26.759 Left Bireau Podcast. If you haven't already, follow Brin on Instagram, 0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:30.040 It's Bryn Elliott. Follow her TikTok, listen to Can I 0:49:30.120 --> 0:49:33.319 Be Real? It's She's just such an incredible artist and 0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:35.920 I love talking to her brand. 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