Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's Sammy J. And welcome to this week's
Speaker 1: episode of the Lesbi Real Podcast. I am so honored
Speaker 1: because I got to talk to my friend Bryan Elliott.
Speaker 1: She is an incredible singer songwriter and has such an
Speaker 1: interesting perspective in which she writes and views the world.
Speaker 1: And I love this episode. It has such a special
Speaker 1: place in my heart because I feel like it embodies
Speaker 1: exactly what I want to do with this podcast. I
Speaker 1: hope you guys enjoy it and I will see you soon.
Speaker 1: For everybody who does not know Bryan Elliott, UM, I
Speaker 1: want to give some background how we met because it's
Speaker 1: been a minute in its beautiful story. It is so
Speaker 1: I first met you. I think it was in August eighteen.
Speaker 1: Are coming up on three years of knowing each other.
Speaker 1: UM at the Arthur ash Kid's Day you performed. Is
Speaker 1: when I was working with Radio Disney, a Radio Disney UM,
Speaker 1: and I was introduced to and first of all, I
Speaker 1: saw your set and I was like, man, this girl's
Speaker 1: got some spunk. And then I just learned more about
Speaker 1: your story and you told me about yourself. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: like you're so inspiring. So for those who don't know,
Speaker 1: tell them just your story, how you started out songwriting,
Speaker 1: what your process was, and you're going to Harvard and
Speaker 1: all that. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny because going to Harvard
Speaker 1: and me doing music are kind of inextricably linked, which
Speaker 1: is really funny. It's hysterical because didn't you remember you
Speaker 1: telling you apply the first time you didn't get in?
Speaker 1: Didn't get in? Yeah, So like in high school, starting
Speaker 1: freshman year, I read Part and Prejudice in my freshman
Speaker 1: English class, fresh English, freshman English class, and I just
Speaker 1: got I got obsessed with like Jane Austen and like
Speaker 1: nerdy literature, eighteenth century women authors, and I really thought like,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, I just want to read books for
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. And I thought, like where
Speaker 1: do I Where do I do that? I must go
Speaker 1: to Harvard or something. And I said it one day
Speaker 1: to a friend kind of as a joke because they
Speaker 1: asked me, like, where do you want to go to college?
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know, like where the nerds
Speaker 1: go Harvard? And then I realized as I was joking
Speaker 1: about that, that that was actually a real dream of
Speaker 1: mine in that moment, and my parents didn't go to college,
Speaker 1: and so even saying that seemed kind of hilarious and
Speaker 1: completely out of reach. But I just decided, and I
Speaker 1: had a conversation with my mom and my dad and
Speaker 1: they were like, you know, you're kind of really social
Speaker 1: and you're like hanging out with your friends. You might
Speaker 1: need to like study just a little bit more if
Speaker 1: you want to go to Harvard and UM. And so
Speaker 1: that's what I did. My whole life actually just kind
Speaker 1: of shifted. It was Harvard, it was Harvard or or Out,
Speaker 1: We're out. It was like Rory Gilmore and Gilmore very
Speaker 1: I watched that show. It was a great, very formative yes,
Speaker 1: and and so I was so overwhelmed throughout high school
Speaker 1: just trying to figure it out, not having a background
Speaker 1: family wise that went to call Like I didn't even
Speaker 1: know what a college application was. I had to google it,
Speaker 1: and yeah, Google is everything. And I had some really
Speaker 1: great friends who really helped, who knew more about the
Speaker 1: process and UM. And so at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I just found myself completely needing to not feel like
Speaker 1: a college resume. UM. I needed to feel human again.
Speaker 1: And my dad had this guitar that he bought when
Speaker 1: he and my mom first got married. Um he got
Speaker 1: it at a pawn shop and I was like, it
Speaker 1: just it almost like called out to me, like play
Speaker 1: me the guitar, which sounds like really cheesy, and but
Speaker 1: it really was that. It was like you need to
Speaker 1: do this, and um So I just started like learning
Speaker 1: off YouTube chords, playing Taylor Swift and ed Sharon songs,
Speaker 1: um and and I did that for like a year,
Speaker 1: and then songwriting became. I just started writing songs. It
Speaker 1: became this way for me to process at the end
Speaker 1: of a really intense time in high school. And I
Speaker 1: wrote so many songs. I think I wrote like thirty songs,
Speaker 1: um in what time span in like in like three years.
Speaker 1: That's still substantial. Yeah, with like applying and applying to
Speaker 1: school and um so then I put my songs. I
Speaker 1: put them on my college application kind of as like
Speaker 1: really never thinking anything of it. Um that's so smart though. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was just like it's something that I've been doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's a way to show show yourself and stand
Speaker 1: out instead of being like I went to these classes,
Speaker 1: I got these grades, and to show who you are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think there was always this part of me
Speaker 1: that was like I knew that I was a nerd
Speaker 1: and knew that I loved reading, but then music was
Speaker 1: kind of my safe place. It was always a place
Speaker 1: I like. My mom was very musical growing up, and
Speaker 1: so music really felt second nature. And so I think
Speaker 1: it was this kind of thing where I put it
Speaker 1: on there because I was like, well, this, this is
Speaker 1: always going to be part of me in some way,
Speaker 1: so I want to show that. And when you applied
Speaker 1: to Harvard, did you apply for the philosophy making it undeclared? Well,
Speaker 1: it's undeclared. You don't have to declare, I think until
Speaker 1: you're a sophomore at Harvard. But I knew that I
Speaker 1: wanted to study philosophy. UM. I loved the idea of
Speaker 1: asking questions what it means to be human and like,
Speaker 1: I mean, your EP is literally a question that's very intentional,
Speaker 1: too exactly. But so the story is I applied and
Speaker 1: did not get in UM. And that was a real
Speaker 1: blow because I my whole life was oriented around that school,
Speaker 1: around that school, which was pretty it's pretty much a lot.
Speaker 1: And I called my mom so sad, and she was like,
Speaker 1: brand this is disappointing, but like it's okay, We're going
Speaker 1: to get through this, I don't um And I got
Speaker 1: a through a family friend, got an opportunity to start
Speaker 1: doing music to work with a producer, and I kind
Speaker 1: of thought such a random thing, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I could just do that for a year, like do
Speaker 1: this music internship, like learn how to produce out my
Speaker 1: songs and learn about music and the industry. Still thinking
Speaker 1: like I'm going to go to Ford. Well, I definitely.
Speaker 1: I mean in my brain, I was like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to reapply to Harvard because why not? Like what do
Speaker 1: I have to lose that this was your gap year?
Speaker 1: This was Yes, That's how I was framing it was
Speaker 1: like this is my gap year. And I definitely had
Speaker 1: another college in mind because I was like, Okay, if
Speaker 1: it's not Harvard, I still really do want to go
Speaker 1: to college. This period Wake Forest University, which is still
Speaker 1: has a very special place in my heart because I
Speaker 1: really did almost go there. But even then I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll just do this music thing for like fun, but
Speaker 1: I'm probably just gonna go to school and become like
Speaker 1: a like I'm going to study philosophy, So what do
Speaker 1: you do with you didn't think no, I was never
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna do I'm going to pursue music. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be an artist. That was not my vocabulary. What
Speaker 1: do you think going into it you were going to
Speaker 1: end up doing if it wasn't music. I think I
Speaker 1: just wanted to be. I was like, I'll probably be
Speaker 1: a teacher. I'll study studying philosophy. Isn't like that much
Speaker 1: different from saying I want to be an artist, but like,
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. For me, it felt like
Speaker 1: a more um like teaching felt like more of a
Speaker 1: job than some kind of nebulous like I want to
Speaker 1: be an artist thing. And it was actually my dad
Speaker 1: when I was I was applying reapplying to Harvard, and
Speaker 1: I was so like fixated on that and very nervous.
Speaker 1: Um my dad called me. I had sent him some
Speaker 1: of the music I was working on, and he called
Speaker 1: me and he was like, Bren, I just just want
Speaker 1: to say something, and he's like, I don't know how
Speaker 1: you're going to react to it, okay, which when he
Speaker 1: would say that, it was always like a stomach oh yeah,
Speaker 1: here we go, or I just I knew I was
Speaker 1: I needed to like calm down, but he was like,
Speaker 1: you should go to college, like I want that for
Speaker 1: you know. He I think he really wanted me to
Speaker 1: go without like pressuring me. He's like, you know that,
Speaker 1: that's like you know, we want that, we want that
Speaker 1: for you. But he was like, I think you're an artist.
Speaker 1: I was just like what he was like, I think
Speaker 1: you need to allow yourself to view yourself that way.
Speaker 1: It's okay, and like, first to have a just to
Speaker 1: have a person, let alone a parent say that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know my other artist friends, other friends who you know,
Speaker 1: we aren't doing art by are doing other things. Like
Speaker 1: I just know how incredibly privileged and beautiful that is
Speaker 1: to have a parent who encourages that. So so that
Speaker 1: was really the shift. That was really when I was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: I think my dad is right, he's name is. He
Speaker 1: knew me really well and he knew that I needed
Speaker 1: permission to go there, and so I applied to Harvard.
Speaker 1: I got in, and then I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I'm an artist now because I decided this is my
Speaker 1: only label. Yes, like no, exactly. That was the journey
Speaker 1: was learning that you can as a human carry Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's natural, that's normal, And that was really the
Speaker 1: conversation was like, I am going to go to school,
Speaker 1: and the thought that I had was like, you know,
Speaker 1: having a career in music isn't something you just It's
Speaker 1: not overnight. It's really not, and people think it is.
Speaker 1: I've learned over the past couple of years from just
Speaker 1: doing my work it is such a hard job because
Speaker 1: it is so oversaturated. Yes, especially now, especially now, especially
Speaker 1: with TikTok and things just going viral. To be an
Speaker 1: artist and release music and have that be your full income, girl, rough, yes,
Speaker 1: unless you're are on a grand day, you know, well
Speaker 1: then even then, I mean I hear I hear those
Speaker 1: artists even talking about how I think it was. Even
Speaker 1: like Julia Michael's on Twitter the other day, it was
Speaker 1: so inspiring. She was like, it's so hard because like
Speaker 1: you have to have a TikTok story or a streaming story,
Speaker 1: and and she was going she speaking of a vulnerable,
Speaker 1: honest person. Wow. Yeah, So I think I think for everyone,
Speaker 1: no matter what, at any stage, you know, we're just
Speaker 1: trying to navigate a new landscape. And especially with the
Speaker 1: complete like shutdown of live music, TikTok really has become
Speaker 1: the only way to you know, get your music out there,
Speaker 1: so I understand why we are where we are, but
Speaker 1: it is it's tricky. It's tricky enough, it's really tricky,
Speaker 1: and it brings into the question like what's doing well.
Speaker 1: Is it the songs by people that actually are an
Speaker 1: artists that do it just for fun and that put
Speaker 1: it I was a joke and then it goes viral
Speaker 1: or is it the people that spend their time working
Speaker 1: on the craft and then release it. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I think probably both are true,
Speaker 1: and that I like that breakdown. Well, so I think
Speaker 1: something from about being my brother's philosophy major. It's fascinating
Speaker 1: and the whole point of philosophies you just talked about
Speaker 1: asking questions. Have you used any of the philosophy concepts
Speaker 1: and theories in your writing or has it made you
Speaker 1: view songwriting as a whole any differently? Yeah, it really
Speaker 1: helped me with songwriting, I will say, studying philosophy, Yeah
Speaker 1: it did. What was interesting was once I like was
Speaker 1: fully in college and I was writing new songs. When
Speaker 1: I was writing philosophy papers, I felt the same kind
Speaker 1: of feeling that I felt when I was writing a song.
Speaker 1: So interesting, Yeah, and I think it's because I think
Speaker 1: it's also just like good writing in general, you just
Speaker 1: you are trying to be clear and communicate these ideas.
Speaker 1: Like when you're writing a paper, you like have your
Speaker 1: main idea, your main concept. Like in a song, You're right,
Speaker 1: you have that same thing in a chorus, like you're
Speaker 1: trying to communicate, um, you know, the thesis. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think songwriting is far more emotional um than than philosophy,
Speaker 1: but I think they're kind of very similar. So would
Speaker 1: you say songwriting is a shortened emotional version of philosophy too?
Speaker 1: I love that, Yes, girl, make merch out of I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I need to get you involved because the way that
Speaker 1: you just phase that again, it was like I don't
Speaker 1: even emotional. Okay, wait, let me think. I think I
Speaker 1: want to say, like overwhelmed, Like I'm like, it's just
Speaker 1: hit me. I think it was. Songwriting is a shorter,
Speaker 1: more emotional version of philosophy. I love that shorter and
Speaker 1: more emotional version of philosophy. I love that. I want
Speaker 1: to make I'm going to get on it today. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What would you say your favorite philosophical theory is it
Speaker 1: keeps you up that night? What I think about a lot.
Speaker 1: Now is existential philosophy so like what I only took
Speaker 1: a few classes, but it is this sort of like
Speaker 1: the philosophy of the human experience, and I think it
Speaker 1: really is. It has inspired a lot of my music
Speaker 1: because it has to do with questions of authenticity and
Speaker 1: um so, like the title for my EP Can I
Speaker 1: Be Real? Came from this guy named sore and kir
Speaker 1: Key Guard who is an existential philosopher. I think he
Speaker 1: was eighteen hundreds and he wrote about yeah about He said,
Speaker 1: the most common form of despair is not being who
Speaker 1: you really are. And I see that and are like
Speaker 1: in like today people on the internet, like we're all
Speaker 1: just trying to be ourselves. Yeah, but there's so many
Speaker 1: message is that we're receiving about what we should be,
Speaker 1: you know, or which I think we're just kind of
Speaker 1: like well. Social media definitely contributes to that and positively
Speaker 1: and negatively in the sense of you see a highlight
Speaker 1: reel not and you see that and you think that's
Speaker 1: what I have to be. You feel bad because you're
Speaker 1: not that, but everybody listening. Social media is so fake,
Speaker 1: like it can be. It can be the generalized host
Speaker 1: like I think of just No, that is not how
Speaker 1: people look all the time. Oh no, let's make I
Speaker 1: want to make that very clear because I felt for it,
Speaker 1: and it was awful when I realized that wasn't true.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, this is all just like a
Speaker 1: weird experience. It's weird. It's a perception thing because you
Speaker 1: see that and you're like, oh, that's really that's what
Speaker 1: we should be. But then't even I heard this. I
Speaker 1: think it was Cindy Crawford was interviewed once and someone said,
Speaker 1: you know, I wish I looked like you, Like I
Speaker 1: wish I looked like Sandy Crawford, And she said, I
Speaker 1: wish I looked like Sandy Crawford too, right, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like that's how it is. I think today was TikTok
Speaker 1: where this model I forget her name, but she was
Speaker 1: saying the process to take that one photo, it's not
Speaker 1: what she actually even looks like. It's five to six
Speaker 1: hours makeup her photo shop lighting just to get one
Speaker 1: photo the way that she's yeah, or sanding whatever. And
Speaker 1: I was like, you're so, because there's the idea of
Speaker 1: that the way you want to present, But then what
Speaker 1: we actually all are and how we are day to day,
Speaker 1: and part of me wishes we all showed that more
Speaker 1: on social media. Yeah, I think it would help, It
Speaker 1: would help me. It would help me too. And I think,
Speaker 1: I know you're an overthinker. Yeah, but that's the thing
Speaker 1: I'm so fascinating philosophy. For me, if I spent that
Speaker 1: much time thinking about what is life, I would get
Speaker 1: myself in a tail. It's not for everyone. How do
Speaker 1: you as an over as a fellow, how do you
Speaker 1: balance that between not overthinking but also living in the
Speaker 1: moment and not worrying about what we are doing? As
Speaker 1: a philosophical perspective, I think for me that's just been
Speaker 1: about I think music, honestly, for me, has been a
Speaker 1: way to kind of let it go, you know, to
Speaker 1: just be in the moment. And I think it's why
Speaker 1: I love performing so much, because when I walk on
Speaker 1: that stage, all I have is that moment, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I think music is a huge release. And
Speaker 1: and yeah, and then just in life, like taking a walk.
Speaker 1: I learned to walk during the pandemic, Like I don't
Speaker 1: think I walked before or just like that wasn't a
Speaker 1: thing for Yeah, watching some funny TV, any any show recommendations.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been watching New Girl from start to
Speaker 1: have you finished it? I'm almost I'm on the last season.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm getting a little emotional about it. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I watched I think till season five, and then I
Speaker 1: just for some reason I checked out, Well, yeah, I
Speaker 1: had trouble getting through it. It's do you recommend to
Speaker 1: push through? I think because it's such a specific type
Speaker 1: of humor. I think there is that point where you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get I get what this is. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: enjoying the last season because it's a little sentimental. But
Speaker 1: maybe that's yeah, I like that TV show. Fun fact,
Speaker 1: I met a guy off a dating app. Okay one time,
Speaker 1: I've already done that, let's get into and we were
Speaker 1: talking and he was saying, I saying, we're talking about
Speaker 1: New Girls, Like, yeah, my least favorite character is Nick
Speaker 1: because he's just like so angry at the time. He goes, man,
Speaker 1: I'll my friends telling me. I'm like, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I mean it was just angry. I was like, how
Speaker 1: do I fix that? I can't recover from that. Did
Speaker 1: you get like a feeling from him that he was
Speaker 1: like a really angry when I was surprised when he
Speaker 1: said that, because I wouldn't if I just say that maybe,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I just feel like he complains a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Schmid is my favorite. Oh, Schmidt is great, so funny.
Speaker 1: There are a few characters that are just so original.
Speaker 1: Schmidt is one of them. Yes, I think that's the
Speaker 1: beauty of the show. And even like Jess, like her quirkiness,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's so relatable. It's very relatable. It's
Speaker 1: just I don't know, you know, I started watching it
Speaker 1: not too long ago, and you know how shows just
Speaker 1: like like this works for me. Right now, That's how
Speaker 1: I felt about Now. I don't know, I feel that
Speaker 1: what show of I've been watching? The show is binging.
Speaker 1: I was binging pot Stars for a little bit, like
Speaker 1: so good. First of all, why is it on the
Speaker 1: History Channel? Is the History Channel? Still? Like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a great mindless entertainment and learn some facts about antiques. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's great. We have to take a quick break, but
Speaker 1: when we come back, I want to talk more about
Speaker 1: social media and if any of the TV shows you've
Speaker 1: binged over the pandemic have helped you in being more creative.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Do you think shows have been
Speaker 1: helpful maybe subconsciously relaxed so you can get more creative. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that works for me quite a bit. I
Speaker 1: do think there's a fine line though, some because sometimes
Speaker 1: TV shows for me has also been like a form
Speaker 1: of escapism that I think there is like an unhealthy
Speaker 1: thing there some shows where you're like, I just don't
Speaker 1: want to deal with whatever. Um, and so I think
Speaker 1: that's the thing that you know, I've just you just
Speaker 1: have to check in with yourself on is like am
Speaker 1: I watching this because I just need a break from
Speaker 1: Like I just need thirty minutes from my own mind.
Speaker 1: I need to watch Jessica Day deal with her fake
Speaker 1: like TV life and I can or is this like?
Speaker 1: Or am I like avoiding something? And I think the
Speaker 1: avoidance is like it's always hard because it's so easy
Speaker 1: to avoid things. But um, it's funny. I my friend
Speaker 1: gave me a philosophy book to read the other day,
Speaker 1: and I read it as a way to wind down
Speaker 1: because I hadn't I haven't read a lot of philosophy
Speaker 1: other than my existentialists bros who I write songs about
Speaker 1: or with like inspired by since Um and this one
Speaker 1: was kind of about the mind body thing and that
Speaker 1: was really relaxing. So I think it really can be
Speaker 1: anything that just feels like this is taking me out
Speaker 1: of whatever situation that i'm and that's that's been my
Speaker 1: experience recently. I saw you, I think it was in
Speaker 1: February or early March, and in this I know and
Speaker 1: I remember then I was in such a creative rhet
Speaker 1: and I remember talking to you about it because I
Speaker 1: had just applied to college. I did the entire season
Speaker 1: of the podcast. From my goodness, it was a lot,
Speaker 1: and I'm so glad, like because now we're here, you're here, yeah,
Speaker 1: like so you know what you're doing a little know
Speaker 1: it worked out like it was all the unknown then
Speaker 1: right now things have figured out a little more in
Speaker 1: my life. But I remember I was in such a
Speaker 1: creative run and that is such a discouraging feeling. And
Speaker 1: I feel like it's not talked about enough because I
Speaker 1: remember I looked up YouTube videos what to do if
Speaker 1: you're in a creative rhet and frankly, you don't know
Speaker 1: when it's going to come back, when you're gonna feel
Speaker 1: o rejuvenated. Have you ever been in that situation, what
Speaker 1: do you do and when you're just can't come up
Speaker 1: with those lyrics or you can't you don't your batteries drained. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great question, and I ink I do think
Speaker 1: that the pandemic exacerbated all of that for for all
Speaker 1: of us who are kind of in these creative fields.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know a lot of my friends were like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just drained, and I think it's Zoom.
Speaker 1: I think Zoom is the big drainer. But that's another
Speaker 1: ranch with you. I completely agree with you. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: what I think that's what it is. Like the nature
Speaker 1: of the time, it just was emotionally draining. I mean
Speaker 1: not just our country, but the world went through hell.
Speaker 1: I mean it was just like and then we're still
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, And I think there is a light
Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel. I absolutely do, and
Speaker 1: I hold on to that. But and it's just so hard.
Speaker 1: So I think we have to give ourselves like grace
Speaker 1: and that it's like, which is so hard because like
Speaker 1: I'm such an achieveril we really are, Um, I just
Speaker 1: I have to have had to come to this point
Speaker 1: where I'm like it's okay that I haven't it. And
Speaker 1: I did come out with an ep and of a pandemic. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it has been so good. It's been so good. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but like, as achievers, you know this that there will
Speaker 1: never be a moment where we're like satisfied, you know,
Speaker 1: I just don't think that's going to be our reality.
Speaker 1: And then throw a global pandemic on top of that
Speaker 1: and you're just you know, it's hard, but I think
Speaker 1: for me, I've had to endlist some resources to help
Speaker 1: me process. I'm started reading this book called The Artist Way.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard about it? It's I don't know,
Speaker 1: I've just I've actually just started it, and it's, um
Speaker 1: this woman named Julia Cameron, and she's inspired a lot
Speaker 1: of Like there's some famous people that she has helped
Speaker 1: get through I'm forgetting and forgetting I should look at
Speaker 1: my book. But basically she just has this thing called
Speaker 1: daily or morning Pages, where you like you write down
Speaker 1: extreme of consciousness, whatever comes to your head and you
Speaker 1: don't judge yourself. So like, as a songwriter especially, I'm
Speaker 1: like which words work, and like when you're in when
Speaker 1: you're collaborating with other people, you're like, oh, I have
Speaker 1: this idea but I'm really afraid to say it because
Speaker 1: what if they don't like it? And she's like, it's
Speaker 1: all about like confronting your inner critic and just saying no,
Speaker 1: you don't get to have to say here. So that's
Speaker 1: been really helpful for me. It's just like getting the
Speaker 1: ideas out on paper and not listening to that internal
Speaker 1: judge voice that I have. And then she has like
Speaker 1: another thing called the artist state, where you just go
Speaker 1: out and take yourself out to a museum or you
Speaker 1: bake something. She's like, it can be even yeah, and
Speaker 1: just like enjoy the experience of that and let that
Speaker 1: fuel you. So as I've kind of like experienced maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit of healing from this kind of creative
Speaker 1: route that I was in, I've I've found myself writing
Speaker 1: songs that I'm like, yeah, that's that's what I needed
Speaker 1: to write about. That's what I'm going through, and that
Speaker 1: feels right. That's so awesome to be able to have
Speaker 1: an outlet like that and that that that's the power
Speaker 1: of music. Is that what you're going through, so many
Speaker 1: other people are and it just makes you feel not alone.
Speaker 1: We've been through a global pandemic as year and a half.
Speaker 1: Our lives have been substantially changed. I had my entire
Speaker 1: senior year online. Oh my gosh, on zoom, you haven't
Speaker 1: been able to perform right? How are you? How are
Speaker 1: you doing? Just I think we need to talk about that.
Speaker 1: We're in general, it's not talked about like how are
Speaker 1: you doing? Mentally? Are you coming out of it? Are
Speaker 1: you still in it? How are you? It's a good question,
Speaker 1: thank you for asking, of course, and not just like
Speaker 1: the how are you doing? Oh I'm good? Like how
Speaker 1: are you actually doing? You know, Sammy I And this
Speaker 1: is a little heavy, but you know this we talked
Speaker 1: to the other day on the phone. But um, I
Speaker 1: think it's about like eleven weeks ago, now, ten weeks ago,
Speaker 1: I lost my dad, not to covid um, but I
Speaker 1: lost him suddenly and unexpectedly, and it's been horrible. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I told the story about him earlier, like he
Speaker 1: was so good and while I'm so grateful that I
Speaker 1: had twenty six years with an amazing father, like it's
Speaker 1: just it's just this such a big hole in my life.
Speaker 1: So now I feel like I'm kind of just grieving
Speaker 1: and going through a really personal and deep grief on
Speaker 1: top of the pandemic. But in some ways, like you know,
Speaker 1: we're all grieving. We're all grieving, and I've had so
Speaker 1: many friends lose people like grandparents are and maybe I'm
Speaker 1: just more aware of it now than I was in
Speaker 1: the past, but I really do feel like there's just
Speaker 1: been such a hard, such a hard year and a
Speaker 1: half for so many people. And so yeah, so I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I have a lot of like hope right
Speaker 1: now about moving through this and moving forward and keep going.
Speaker 1: My last conversation with my dad, he told me I
Speaker 1: was probably like freaking out about something regarding the music business,
Speaker 1: and he just said, it's just like keep going. You
Speaker 1: got this, so it'll all work out. You got this.
Speaker 1: And so I'm really just trying to hold onto that,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel I feel him a lot when
Speaker 1: I when I am writing or playing music. I'm going
Speaker 1: on tour this fall, and he loved I met him
Speaker 1: on tour that when I met you too, yes, and
Speaker 1: and that was just like he he just loved it.
Speaker 1: And so I I'm excited to do that and and yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's like both I think a lot of life.
Speaker 1: What I'm learning is like there's this guy named Frederick
Speaker 1: Beeckner who says, in this life I'm paraphrasing, but in
Speaker 1: this life, beautiful and terrible things will happen, but don't
Speaker 1: be afraid. And I'd say that's just what it is,
Speaker 1: you know. It's like life is, at the same time,
Speaker 1: sometimes within the same day, really horrible and really hard
Speaker 1: and really wonderful and beautiful. And so I think learning
Speaker 1: to live in that tension is is what it's about,
Speaker 1: and finding the joy within the little things too, which
Speaker 1: can be It's it's all about the way I think
Speaker 1: you look at the world and you can portray you
Speaker 1: can find a negative of anything, and you can find
Speaker 1: it positive in anything. Yes, And we should strive to
Speaker 1: find the positive and more yes, yes, and live in that,
Speaker 1: you know, because I think if you look throughout history
Speaker 1: and people, it's like that is what gets you through that,
Speaker 1: what that's what makes you fight for another day is
Speaker 1: the hope of something else exactly, and just surrounding yourself
Speaker 1: with people that you love and doing what you love
Speaker 1: and you still get to go on tour. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: are you so excited. I'm so excited. What was Do
Speaker 1: you remember the last live show you performed at Oh goodness,
Speaker 1: I think so it was. Yeah, it was with James Arthur.
Speaker 1: I was opening for James Arthur on that run. We've
Speaker 1: played the Troubadour here and I like, I'm obsessed with
Speaker 1: that venue. Yeah, so incredible, So that one really stands
Speaker 1: out and people are playing shows and it's just so
Speaker 1: great to see it. It is weird. It's weird. We
Speaker 1: were talking about this, like, it's definitely a different dynamic
Speaker 1: and people are trying their best to be safe and
Speaker 1: it's back but it's you know, it's just in its
Speaker 1: own variation and it's a very it is a variation. Um,
Speaker 1: but I'll take anything. Yeah, as long as it's not unzoomed.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking the first live event it was with you.
Speaker 1: It was the Rooftop that was like our low key
Speaker 1: like save Yeah, everyone was wearing math. Everyone was still
Speaker 1: great though, because I was like Ben shout out to
Speaker 1: Ben Farber. Yeah, it was like I forgot. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this is what live music is like. It just brings
Speaker 1: people together and that's what music does. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: it Yeah, it's the most I think that's the most
Speaker 1: beautiful thing about music, honestly, is that you can come
Speaker 1: from completely different countries, completely different backgrounds, different languages, worldviews,
Speaker 1: and come together and just be in that moment. I
Speaker 1: think that's especially in the world we have of so
Speaker 1: much tension animosity towards each other, being able to have
Speaker 1: a night where literally like an hour and a half,
Speaker 1: an hour and a half is all you need. You're
Speaker 1: all together and you're just in the moment, enjoying it,
Speaker 1: enjoying it. There's not worrying about what work you have
Speaker 1: to do tomorrow, about the day you've had. But this
Speaker 1: guy thinks, sir, you're just living your best life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really special, to be honest. My favorite answered, so
Speaker 1: when you don't have your phone out videotaping it, can
Speaker 1: we talk about that. I'm very conflicted. Okay, here's my perspective. Okay,
Speaker 1: when I was I think I was ten or eleven,
Speaker 1: I saw I saw Maroon five, Okay, getting I'm getting
Speaker 1: it was in mask and Square Garden. We somehow got
Speaker 1: floor seats. It was like the best thing ever. And
Speaker 1: I remember so specifically Adam Bean said, everybody, I want
Speaker 1: you to stop videotaping. I want you to put away
Speaker 1: your phones and just live in the moment. And there
Speaker 1: was this girl that was still videotaping, and he took
Speaker 1: her home, put it on the stage. He goes, I'll
Speaker 1: give it back to you after the set. And then
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, this is actually really great
Speaker 1: because though I wish I could have this to look
Speaker 1: back on my phone, I'm going to have this in
Speaker 1: my memories of just living in the moment. And this
Speaker 1: was what now, nine years ago, and I still have
Speaker 1: specifically that moment in my head. It's not recorded, and
Speaker 1: I think that's what's great about it. Though I want
Speaker 1: a videotaped look at, sometimes the memories are better at
Speaker 1: my opinion, what's your take on it? You know? I
Speaker 1: think for me as an artist, as a performer, I'm
Speaker 1: fine with it at my shows because I want people
Speaker 1: to do what they want to do and and like,
Speaker 1: this might sound really weird, but this is called the
Speaker 1: Let's Be Real podcast, so I'm gonna be real. But
Speaker 1: like it is, it does help me sometimes, like when
Speaker 1: people post about my music at this point because I'm
Speaker 1: still at such an early stage. But I do like
Speaker 1: when when I go to the shows, I'm often like
Speaker 1: playing out my phone because I want to be like,
Speaker 1: I want to post it and like, look where I
Speaker 1: first instincts now, isn't that so weird we think about it?
Speaker 1: That's what's weird to me. That's what I have to
Speaker 1: confront myself. I thought about it like that brand, that's weird.
Speaker 1: But like I don't think we should like we should
Speaker 1: have grace first else than that as well. But it's
Speaker 1: just like no, But the fact that our first instinct now,
Speaker 1: now that I'm looking back, I'm analyzing my entire life.
Speaker 1: The fact that our first instinct now is to not
Speaker 1: enjoy what we're doing but tell people about it is
Speaker 1: really interesting. And it's that whole social media experiment that
Speaker 1: bucks with my mind. Do you ever see the social dilemma? Oh?
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't speak for like three days after
Speaker 1: I saw that. I have my phone out of my
Speaker 1: social media app. Notification is still off from that, I'm
Speaker 1: proud of you. I'm proud of myself too for that
Speaker 1: and it's helped a lot. So what I recommend everybody
Speaker 1: take off the notifications from Snapchat, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, anything.
Speaker 1: I only have it on for Gmail incredible, So you're
Speaker 1: not tempted. You go on the apps when you want,
Speaker 1: not when something alerts you it will help. See. I
Speaker 1: love that, and I love that you watch that that
Speaker 1: documentary and you made a very like practical, yes, conscious
Speaker 1: next step towards your own mental health. Because I think
Speaker 1: I think that was my experience watching the documentary and
Speaker 1: I loved it, but I was also like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: like it was very doomsday, and I was like, because
Speaker 1: it is. Yes, it hit too close to home, so close,
Speaker 1: so close, and it's succeeeing, even like the footage of
Speaker 1: the fourteen year old girl and and the like the
Speaker 1: rise of anxiety and depression and suicide. All of that
Speaker 1: stuff was so heavy. Um and and so I think,
Speaker 1: but I think what you did was so good is like,
Speaker 1: let's make a conscious decision to to change something about
Speaker 1: my interaction with it. I think that, I honestly think
Speaker 1: that is the path forward. And that's why I talk
Speaker 1: about it so much in my music as well, because
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it affects me, and so I
Speaker 1: talk about it. But it's like social media is not evil,
Speaker 1: it's a neutral space, but the way that we interact
Speaker 1: with it can be so healthy or not healthy. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so having those having these discussions, having conversation about it.
Speaker 1: I think that's the way. I hope so, and I
Speaker 1: think especially when people who have a big following time
Speaker 1: but like, man, this is not what I look like.
Speaker 1: This is from like a shoe from like this is
Speaker 1: that I'm in my pajamas. We have to take one
Speaker 1: more quick break. But when we come back, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the perils of growing a social media following. And
Speaker 1: I also want to talk to you about your EP
Speaker 1: Can I be real, which I am obsessed with. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back. It's so interesting and I for someone
Speaker 1: who has anxiety, it's can be so toxic so fast,
Speaker 1: and I'm in this in between stage, which I feel
Speaker 1: like this isn't talked about. I'm building up my career right,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to thank you. I'm trying to think of
Speaker 1: it as more of a business. But it's so hard
Speaker 1: because at the same time, I'm a nineteen year old
Speaker 1: girl being on social media. They're the same pressures. Yet
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to grow a following in order and that
Speaker 1: somehow is my worth how many followers I have, And
Speaker 1: that's what companies look at. And I understand that because
Speaker 1: it's a business, but it's really hard sometimes and it's
Speaker 1: personal because it's you. It's like a business, but it's
Speaker 1: also you. It is it's not like another sort of
Speaker 1: like off side nail. Yeah, it's polish. Are you are?
Speaker 1: And it's finding that balance between having the difference of Okay,
Speaker 1: is this my worth? Is this really all that I'm worth?
Speaker 1: And it's having to separate that, like, no, there are
Speaker 1: two separate things. How have you dealt with that? Because
Speaker 1: I know I'm sure you've had similar people have told
Speaker 1: you said yes, yes, and again I totally understand what
Speaker 1: they're saying, um, and I want to be I want
Speaker 1: to be there for that. I want to build. That's
Speaker 1: why sometimes at concerts, I do, you know, say like
Speaker 1: I'm here at this cool thing, or like you know,
Speaker 1: like if you do make those decisions and you do
Speaker 1: want to promote what you're doing and put yourself out there,
Speaker 1: and I you best believe I'm on TikTok every day,
Speaker 1: you know, just going for it. But I think that, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it is a question of worth and I think
Speaker 1: it's I think it's like and I wish it wasn't too.
Speaker 1: I really, I really wish I could mentally separate the two.
Speaker 1: But it's sometimes I don't know if it's being a
Speaker 1: teenage girl. I don't know if it's being in the
Speaker 1: entertainment industry. But I'm learning and I go through phases
Speaker 1: of it like Okay, how do I find a balance
Speaker 1: of what's good for my mental health to say off it?
Speaker 1: Because again, comparing yourself, I just that's what ends up happening.
Speaker 1: But also having to continue it. Yeah, yeah, having to
Speaker 1: keep going and posting, and yeah, I mean, well, first
Speaker 1: of all, I think that the fact that you're even
Speaker 1: having the conversation and you're even naming that this is
Speaker 1: how you feel, is like it's honestly such a big
Speaker 1: part of it. I feel like this part isn't talked
Speaker 1: about when people it should be talking. It's not talked
Speaker 1: about it should be. And I think, like for me,
Speaker 1: it's like I have so much I want to do.
Speaker 1: I would love like a million followers right now, like
Speaker 1: life a lot easier in a lot of ways. I
Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, it would just be great. But even then,
Speaker 1: you know, then it's like even like the set of
Speaker 1: problems and there will never be a moment where it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm good, you know. I think even when
Speaker 1: you have all of that you're still going to have
Speaker 1: to deal with your the worst thing. And I think
Speaker 1: that it's about knowing waking up and knowing like I
Speaker 1: think you do is so good for the world, you know,
Speaker 1: like having on his conversations is really good for the world.
Speaker 1: And even if it doesn't feel like you know, this
Speaker 1: big thing I know for me, like writing a song
Speaker 1: that means something to me that I feel like it's
Speaker 1: going to help someone, Like I think that at the
Speaker 1: end of the day is all we have. It just
Speaker 1: like am I waking up doing my best contributing something good? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and knowing that that's it. Doesn't the numbers will be
Speaker 1: there or they won't. But I woke up and I
Speaker 1: did something today. I think it's a little like nicely
Speaker 1: put no, but it's it's true, and it's a it's
Speaker 1: an interesting balance. And when I frankly, I've wanted you
Speaker 1: on the pod for a minute now, right when I
Speaker 1: think perform a Microsoft theater, I don't pitch the idea,
Speaker 1: and I said, what do you come on? You're like,
Speaker 1: of course, and like so this is a full circle.
Speaker 1: It's happening. But when I found out that your new
Speaker 1: EP was called can I be realized like, could this
Speaker 1: be better? But chills? Okay, I would like to say,
Speaker 1: tell me, I'm pretty yeah, it's all about this, but
Speaker 1: we're talking about First of all, it's a bob. Thank you,
Speaker 1: it's a bob. I was listening to it when I
Speaker 1: was in the shower. I was like, this is good
Speaker 1: Bob day. I know you're so honest in your songwriting.
Speaker 1: How did that song come about? That's a that's a
Speaker 1: that's a real one. Um. Yeah, So it was a
Speaker 1: couple of things. I wrote down the lyrics maybe I'm
Speaker 1: worth more than some numbers or a score, which is
Speaker 1: exactly what we're I mean there it is. Um. I
Speaker 1: wrote that down in college because there was a scandal
Speaker 1: with the harvardman's soccer team where they had a group
Speaker 1: chat rating freshman women. But like to me, they were
Speaker 1: like girls like still yeah, um the incoming yeah, the
Speaker 1: incoming class on their physical attractiveness hotness, like literally giving
Speaker 1: these women a number and then describing you know, horrific,
Speaker 1: just like horrible things said about these women exposed to
Speaker 1: the group chat. I want to know that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: To this day, I'm not sure. Um, but some of
Speaker 1: my friends it was they were. I think they were
Speaker 1: juniors or seniors by the time it all came out.
Speaker 1: But for me, it just like not being part of it,
Speaker 1: but just kind of watching it unfold. And like some
Speaker 1: of the of my friends they wrote this incredible op
Speaker 1: ed in the newspaper about like how like why did
Speaker 1: we get here? The kind of thing. It's just like
Speaker 1: the whole thing, And then I just thought about how
Speaker 1: they must have felt and saw some of them yeah
Speaker 1: kind of like go through it. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I was also going through like the whole social media
Speaker 1: thing and like still I'm you know, we're all still
Speaker 1: going through that. But I is like feeling really awkward
Speaker 1: about myself online and just um and was having was
Speaker 1: still doing music, so it was like having to post
Speaker 1: for that and and then when you're your own brand too,
Speaker 1: and when your own brand and here, and I was
Speaker 1: like the whole body positivity conversation wasn't happening quite yet,
Speaker 1: so I was like I felt weird about my body,
Speaker 1: and so I just I just like I was like,
Speaker 1: as women, can we just not be reduced to this thing?
Speaker 1: Can we just be like can you just care about yeah,
Speaker 1: can you care about what's in my brain for just
Speaker 1: a second, like you know, and just take me seriously
Speaker 1: what I have to contribute. Yeah, and and also like beauty,
Speaker 1: this concept of beauty is so and we have just
Speaker 1: made it about these like particular standards that like someone
Speaker 1: probably a dude, no or who knows. Honestly, I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's like a whole history thing there, but like reinforced
Speaker 1: by this, like obviously what you know, these women had
Speaker 1: gone through by dudes, the objectifying thing. And then, um,
Speaker 1: basically so I wrote down in my lyric notebook that lyric.
Speaker 1: And I always knew that I wanted it to become
Speaker 1: a song. And I never, like, I wrote songs other
Speaker 1: songs about the internet and stuff, but I never like
Speaker 1: landed on that topic until three years later I met
Speaker 1: a songwriter named Michelle Buzz. She goes by Buzz, but
Speaker 1: I called Michelle. What a great name, what an incredible name.
Speaker 1: Incredible name she's releasing at right now, Um yeah, that's
Speaker 1: her actual name. About Michelle, Michelle Buzz. She's releasing new
Speaker 1: music really soon and everyone should listen to it because
Speaker 1: she's incredible and and talks about these things she's so
Speaker 1: good at talking about like the real stuff and anyway,
Speaker 1: So I just met her day one. Why and I
Speaker 1: think this is why we became best friends. Was we
Speaker 1: were like man being a woman in the music industry,
Speaker 1: like bro, Like we really went there and talked about
Speaker 1: how I talked about this of like if I post
Speaker 1: as a as a you know, aspiring songwriter, sporing artist,
Speaker 1: if I post a picture without makeup all the time,
Speaker 1: like is that going to gain me new followers? Or
Speaker 1: do I need to post like the like the sexy
Speaker 1: stuff because that gets you followers. And that was a
Speaker 1: hard truth like we had we were like whoa, and
Speaker 1: so we just really really we laid it on thick
Speaker 1: and um, we had a session with the Monarch, this
Speaker 1: producer brother producer duo and they were really like pumped
Speaker 1: about the idea or Michelle and I just like we
Speaker 1: were like, we have to write a song about this,
Speaker 1: and so we did and tell me I'm pretty was
Speaker 1: what came from that. And so I'm very grateful. I was.
Speaker 1: Actually I've been in rehearsals for the past week for
Speaker 1: this Young Girl and um, that song, it's so fun
Speaker 1: to play. What would you say the hardest part of
Speaker 1: being a female in the music industry is well, I
Speaker 1: wonder if it's that. I wonder if it's that, you know,
Speaker 1: because I think I think even like Billie Eilish has
Speaker 1: talked about it a lot recently with her new stuff
Speaker 1: of just like, you know, you have to you have
Speaker 1: to pick a lane, like of like, but I think,
Speaker 1: but I also I also don't think you give to
Speaker 1: pick lane. I think as a as a woman, you're
Speaker 1: going to feel those pressures of like which angle do
Speaker 1: I go down? Which? And I think you just have
Speaker 1: to silence all of that, like Billy's doing, you know,
Speaker 1: like and just do what feels right for you. Social
Speaker 1: media is just they take the human out of a
Speaker 1: person where we forget they cry like they're just yeah,
Speaker 1: we're all we're all human, you know, And I feel
Speaker 1: like that should be celebrated. And keep in mind everyone
Speaker 1: has her insecurities. Oh yeah. If you say you're not
Speaker 1: and you don't have insecurities, then you're lying exactly. Instagram
Speaker 1: social media's a picture perfect world. Can't say it enough.
Speaker 1: I can't say it enough. I'm insecure to post photos
Speaker 1: when my acne is bad or when I feel not good.
Speaker 1: You know, I wish that wasn't the case. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: but there's something about it. There's something about it. But
Speaker 1: I think that's what's so special about your music in particular,
Speaker 1: because there are so many, so few people that really
Speaker 1: dig into our insecurities, really dig into that, because it's
Speaker 1: a stigma that it shouldn't be. So I applaud you
Speaker 1: for just being so authentic in your writing and in
Speaker 1: who you are. And though I know it can be
Speaker 1: really hard, I'm sure with people comparing themselves, like, keep
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing because I look up to you
Speaker 1: a lot. Thanks. I look up to you for talking
Speaker 1: about it. It's so exciting to talk about it. And
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's it's not it's not often, and I'm
Speaker 1: so glad that we can just like have a conversation
Speaker 1: and not where it's not media trained and the same thing.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, man, life has been rough, and that's okay,
Speaker 1: that's okay, that's part of it. You believe through a pandemic.
Speaker 1: Be nice to yourself. Be nice to yourself exactly and
Speaker 1: to others. And please follow brand on Instagram. Listen to
Speaker 1: her ep can I be real? It's so fitting. I
Speaker 1: was when I was listening to some of the songs,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, this is important that it's out,
Speaker 1: and so I'm so glad it is and I'm so
Speaker 1: excited for when new music. And I'm going to see
Speaker 1: you live. Yes, You're awesome live, by the way, but
Speaker 1: I've seen you twice one of the Microsoft Theater and
Speaker 1: ar thresh Kid's Day. Yes, both such fun day as well.
Speaker 1: I remember when I first when I started the Microsoft Theaters,
Speaker 1: like this girl is a bad as Thank you? That
Speaker 1: was like our first show. Yeah, that was a fun night.
Speaker 1: Pink suit, bring it back? You think I should bring
Speaker 1: it back? Oh? Interesting, Why wouldn't you? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but this is one of the one of my things.
Speaker 1: I'm like suit, I love a lavender, right, and we
Speaker 1: should bring them back just like since they are I
Speaker 1: feel I love they're powerful and are they more comfortable
Speaker 1: to performance? Absolutely, because they're like usually like yeah, the
Speaker 1: fabrics like louse and I love a suit. Who does.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll bring it back. Let's bring it back. You
Speaker 1: can wear the merch with a shirt on it. I say,
Speaker 1: that's your style for story. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to hire you a stylist. Hey, I'm here,
Speaker 1: I'm in californ I love in California. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's so weird. How does that feel? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I love that, okay, because you're like you're like New York,
Speaker 1: like you're That's where I've lived my entire life. So
Speaker 1: are you going to like own the bicoastal thing or
Speaker 1: are you going to commit Okay because no matter what,
Speaker 1: my dogs there and Okay, well saying goodbye to him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know wherever the dog is is where home is exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what I say. He needs to come to California.
Speaker 1: But thank you Brent for coming on. Thank you guys
Speaker 1: so much for listening to this week's episode of The
Speaker 1: Left Bireau Podcast. If you haven't already, follow Brin on Instagram,
Speaker 1: It's Bryn Elliott. Follow her TikTok, listen to Can I
Speaker 1: Be Real? It's She's just such an incredible artist and
Speaker 1: I love talking to her brand. Thank you again for
Speaker 1: coming on my podcast, and if you haven't already, makes
Speaker 1: sure you subscribe, leave a comment about something you liked
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