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Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 3: What is up straight Fire, fam, It's me Jason McIntyre,

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Speaker 3: Straight Fire for Wednesday, March twenty seventh. Oh got a great, great,

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Speaker 3: great podcast today. Talk to Bruce Feldman of Fox Sports.

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Speaker 3: You know he covers college football. I wanted to dig

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Speaker 3: into the draft for less than a month to the

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Speaker 3: NFL Draft. Feldman was around the Michigan team a lot

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Speaker 3: this year. I wanted to sift fact from fiction on

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Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy and the Rise. You guys are gonna love

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Speaker 3: the interview. He said something about Joe Burrow also that

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Speaker 3: blew my mind. And I know Burrow had an amazing

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Speaker 3: season in LSU. And wait for the end of it.

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Speaker 3: He says something about the Georgia quarterback that stunned me,

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Speaker 3: Carson Beck, who is a big, big time prospect. I

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Speaker 3: think that's the name, but Carson Beck. But before we

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Speaker 3: get to Bruce Feldman, I quickly, and again just quickly

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Speaker 3: this morning, have to touch on Lakers bucks one of

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Speaker 3: the most and again Lebron did not play. It was

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Speaker 3: still one of the most thrilling NBA games of the season.

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Speaker 3: I was, you know, we moved last week and so

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Speaker 3: I'm still kind of unpacking. We're moving stuff around. They

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Speaker 3: put this in the wrong room, and we got to

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Speaker 3: get this TV out of here, and we got to

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Speaker 3: move this rug and blah blah, all this little stuff.

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Speaker 3: And of course then the dog, you know, is around,

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Speaker 3: and the kids have their practices and all this stuff.

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Speaker 3: And so my buddy texts me, you know, a couple

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Speaker 3: of us are on this Laker text chain. He's the

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Speaker 3: guy who has season tickets. He's like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 3: his little kids freaking out about this comeback. And I

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Speaker 3: was like, oh, that's right, Lakers Bucks. So I flip

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Speaker 3: on the TV and I see, oh, Lakers were down

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Speaker 3: nineteen and we're tied. I was like, oh my gosh.

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Speaker 3: So I quickly rewind because I had put this on

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Speaker 3: the channel earlier and for some reason, I just like

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Speaker 3: a little bit watch the comeback.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, this is amazing. Oh it'd be no A.

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Speaker 3: What a great result. Lakers pushing the Bucks hard. This

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Speaker 3: says a lot. Even when they lose. I assumed they

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Speaker 3: would lose. I mean, Austin Reeves delivers and the Lakers

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Speaker 3: win in double overtime Austin Reeves. I think basically the

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Speaker 3: game winning three pointer, Anthony Davis sealed it with two

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Speaker 3: free throws. Late, folks, Anthony Davis, I believe, locked up

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Speaker 3: the Defensive Player of the Year award with a spectacular

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Speaker 3: four block performance. I know you're thinking, oh, Webben Yama

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Speaker 4: That's fine.

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Speaker 3: Anthony Davis rejected Dame, Lillard and Jannis in overtime, two

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Speaker 3: massive blocks, just incredible plays. Eighty fifty two minutes, thirty

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Speaker 3: four points, twenty three boards, four blocks, thirty four and

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Speaker 3: twenty three against Giannis. Yannis had a solid game twenty nine,

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Speaker 3: twenty one and eleven, but he had seven turnovers and

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Speaker 3: was one of six from the foul line.

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Speaker 4: People are gonna freak out. I'm not freaking out. You

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Speaker 4: guys did know.

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Speaker 3: I'm not. I haven't been sold on the Bucks all season.

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Speaker 3: Dame twenty seven points on twenty nine shots, but let.

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Speaker 4: Me get back to the Lakers for a sec. So

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Speaker 4: I played really good.

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Speaker 3: D held the Bucks to forty one percent shooting, and

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Speaker 3: Anthony Davis obviously was spectacular. But I do think, obviously

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Speaker 3: I want to give Deanna Angelo Russell a SHADOWT twenty

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Speaker 3: nine points, twelve assists. He was pretty damn good for me. Oh,

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Speaker 3: Dangelo Russell ten to ten from the line Lakers thirty

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think Ad was the hero with the

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Speaker 3: was unbelievable twenty nine points, fourteen boards, ten assists.

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Speaker 4: The guy. He's doing a lot of chasing of Dame Lillard.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying.

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Speaker 3: I know people are like, oh, yeah, we get a

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Speaker 3: big piece, We're gonna trade Austin Reeves and get you know,

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Speaker 4: I don't know, guys.

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Speaker 3: I am a firm believe by the way, Reeves nearly

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Speaker 3: won the game at the end of regulation with less

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Speaker 3: that nearly banked in. I'm just telling you I'm not

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Speaker 3: giving up Austin Reeves without a fight. I just think

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Speaker 3: he is a spectacular player who and yes, spectacular is

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Speaker 3: the word I use. He can do everything. He scores

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Speaker 3: at all three levels, threes, the MIDI, and he can

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Speaker 3: incredible length and savvy and craftiness and defensively, he's, you know,

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Speaker 3: just saying, every night I watch him and Austin Reeves

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Speaker 4: I didn't know he had that in his bag.

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Speaker 3: I really didn't know he had that, and I was

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Speaker 3: just so impressed with his performance down. The crummy news

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Speaker 3: is the Lakers have a back to back tonight against

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Speaker 3: the Grizzlies. Now, Lebron sat out last night, but listen

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Speaker 3: gonna be facing a Bucks team that's depleted to begin with.

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Speaker 3: But if Lebron can, you know, get something out of

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Speaker 3: Max Christi Cam Reddish. Maybe there's a guy on a

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Speaker 3: two way I don't know about, but he's gonna need

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Speaker 3: some help because what you don't want is over exertion

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Speaker 4: You can't have that.

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Speaker 3: Because the Lakers that win coupled with the Warriors win,

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Speaker 3: still holding firm to the ninth seed, they would host

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Speaker 3: the Warriors in the play in. Warriors, by the way,

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Speaker 3: trying to hold off the Houston Rockets, the hottest team

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Speaker 3: and I mean, I don't know if they'll catch them.

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Speaker 3: The Rockets are now one game back of Golden State

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Speaker 3: they have they have one more meeting head to head,

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Speaker 3: so the Rockets certainly can catch them. Let me see

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Speaker 3: who the Rockets have to night this Jalen Green's been

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Speaker 3: going off. I follow most of the Jalen Green stuff

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Speaker 3: with this very famous Instagram influencer who's like fifteen twenty

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Speaker 3: I mean, this guy's hitting forty two points forty five.

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Speaker 3: He's just dominating Houston n OKC tonight for a big one.

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Speaker 3: Okce coming off a back to back. They won a

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Speaker 3: big one last night. And I know I'm getting in

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Speaker 3: the weeds at the NBA, but there's like ten games left.

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Speaker 3: Bottom line, Anthony Davis Austin reeves unbelievable stuff. Without further ado,

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Speaker 3: let's get to our guest, Bruce Feldman of Fox Sports.

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Speaker 2: You know a guy Jason likes to think he knows

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Speaker 2: everything when it comes to sports.

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Speaker 4: I know what sports fans.

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Speaker 2: Want, but for everything he doesn't. He knows a guy

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Speaker 2: who does.

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Speaker 5: Let's just say I know a guy who knows the

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Speaker 3: All right, let's welcome in Bruce Feldman to the podcast.

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Speaker 3: You know him obviously Fox Sports. He does sidelines, he

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Speaker 3: does analysis, and I figured the NFL Draft is less

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Speaker 3: than thirty days away.

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Speaker 4: Who knows some of these college football players as well

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Speaker 4: as Bruce. Bruce, how are you, man?

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Speaker 5: I'm doing good. Good to be on with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of the silly season now, and I

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Speaker 3: start seeing like JJ McCarthy could go second, and I'm like, listen,

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Speaker 3: I like JJ McCarthy. I was texting Daniel Jeremiah during

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Speaker 3: getting to be a bridge too far. You've followed Michigan closely,

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Speaker 3: you know Harball very well. You were around the Michigan

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Speaker 3: first as a college guy, and then you know, some

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Speaker 3: of his production numbers were not amazing, and then what

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Speaker 6: He's intriguing. He's really athletic. He is you know, I

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Speaker 6: just talked to a coach who played them for a story.

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Speaker 6: I'm working on the athletic for early next week, and

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Speaker 6: he goes, he's clearly the alpha male of that team. Remember,

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Speaker 6: this is the team that ran through all sorts of

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Speaker 6: Do not take that part lightly that he was the

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Speaker 6: He's a really good athlete. The numbers are not huge

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Speaker 6: because they didn't ask him to do what some of

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Speaker 6: did have a really good offensive line, just like Penix did.

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Speaker 6: But there were other guys if you asked me of

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Speaker 6: the quarterbacks were talking about in this group, Certainly Jayden

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Speaker 6: Daniels had better receivers. I think USC had better weapons. Now,

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Speaker 6: they didn't have a better offensive line, but Caleb had.

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Speaker 5: You know, in the last two years.

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Speaker 3: But you look at his game log, and again, production

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Speaker 6: But at the same time, it's hard to argue with

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Speaker 6: A star NFL quarterback, I wouldn't be surprised if you

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Speaker 5: It just, you know, it just doesn't work that way.

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Speaker 6: And again, I just think if you told somebody three

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Speaker 6: I don't think anybody would have bought that. But he,

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Speaker 6: I said, he's very interesting. I could see some NFL

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Speaker 3: I do have to ask the Jadeen Daniels stuff is weird.

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Speaker 6: Jayden's intriguing because he improved dramatically. Like so the guy

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Speaker 5: He was very wiry, you know, I don't know if

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Speaker 5: I do wonder a little bit physically.

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Speaker 5: We got into it and Joe was.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's the he's the best college quarterback I've

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Speaker 6: I think you had an improving offensive line, but you're

436
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Speaker 6: also had a guy who's embraced technology in a way.

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Speaker 5: He did some really cool stuff.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's almost like VR like that they had

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00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 6: brought in Jack Marucci, who's arguably the smartest guy in

440
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Speaker 6: college sports. He's the Marucci behind Marucci bats and baseball.

441
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 6: He got really connected with these this you know, international

442
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:46,640
Speaker 6: business that really I think helped him. Being Jaden helped

443
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 6: him read defenses and process faster, and he did all

444
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Speaker 6: the work. And I think what you saw was a

445
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Speaker 6: dramatically improved passer and guy who was a processor. And

446
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Speaker 6: I think that's why it evolved that way. We'll see

447
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 6: how it, you know, how it translates in the NFL.

448
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 6: But that's why I think that's why he improves so

449
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 6: much some of the other guys that I think it's

450
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 6: circumstance where it's like, hey, you know you have so

451
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Speaker 6: many transfers. Now you know you can get a big

452
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Speaker 6: time receiver, a key you know, offensive tackle who can

453
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Speaker 6: be the missing piece, and I think those things can change.

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Speaker 6: But I get it, like when you mentioned Zach Wilson before.

455
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Speaker 6: Zach Wilson's big year was coming out of that COVID year,

456
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Speaker 6: when you know BYU was was better than a lot

457
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Speaker 6: of the teams they played. It's not to say Zach

458
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Speaker 6: Wilson doesn't have ability, because he certainly does, but I

459
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Speaker 6: think he was a tougher evaluation coming out of that

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Speaker 6: COVID year. I think was very hard for people to okay,

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Speaker 6: who is he playing against and who's covering his receivers

462
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Speaker 6: and who's rushing him. You know That's why it was

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Speaker 6: just kind of I can see how you know, some

464
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Speaker 6: of these years, you know that it's not fifty percent wrong,

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Speaker 6: it's like eighty percent wrong.

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Speaker 3: In the quarterbacks, Wow, So you did just say something

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Speaker 3: that I have to take a pause on. You said

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Speaker 3: that Joe Burrow is the best quarterback you've ever seen

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Speaker 3: in college. I need to ask it ranks ahead of

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Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence and Andrew Luck.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, the only one who it would give me

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Speaker 6: pause on that would be the one to me is

473
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Speaker 6: the college football superman, and that was Cam Newton. Cam

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Speaker 6: Newton put a very average Auburn team with Nick Fairley,

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Speaker 6: who turned out to be you know, a big time

476
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Speaker 6: you know, dominant defensive lineman, and almost nobody else. There's

477
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Speaker 6: no like draft picks off that team of any like

478
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Speaker 6: there's a seventh round pick and Nick Fairley, who was

479
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Speaker 6: who was you know, a high pick and Cam and

480
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Speaker 6: Cam ran through the SEC and he was like superman.

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Speaker 6: But to me, Joe Burrow, how he operated, those are

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Speaker 6: the two best college quarterbacks I've seen. You know, no

483
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Speaker 6: knock on Trevor Lawrence. He's terrific. He wasn't bad, you know.

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Speaker 6: And by the way, if you want to go back

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Speaker 5: And he got the best of them.

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Speaker 6: Not only get the best of them, like you know

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Speaker 6: so you know again, I was just odd to be

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Speaker 5: I mean, they were rolling.

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Speaker 3: Every year we look for like a guy who falls

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525
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Speaker 3: falling to ten. Is there a guy outside of we'll

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Speaker 3: just call him for now, the Big three Jaden, Drake,

527
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Speaker 3: May and Caleb. Is there a guy outside of those

528
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529
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Speaker 3: to Miami or Seattle, a bo Nick somewhere, my guy

530
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Speaker 3: Sam Hartman later in the draft, you know, well, a

531
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Speaker 3: rock party, like how the hell does brock Purty go

532
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Speaker 3: dead last in the draft and then all of a

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Speaker 3: sudden with Kyle Shanahan a good weapons he looks like

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Speaker 3: I mean, he was like an MVP candidate, Give me

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Speaker 3: any names of guys who you like in you think

536
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Speaker 3: could pop in the right setting.

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Speaker 6: I think if Pennis even went four, I'd be like,

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Speaker 6: I could see it.

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Speaker 5: He's that good.

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Speaker 6: He throws height, He's got an amazing arm when you

541
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Speaker 6: see him throw in person, and he throws a beautiful

542
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Speaker 6: deep ball. He's way more athletic than people give him

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Speaker 6: credit for. Like I know the guys who are training

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Speaker 6: with him, and I'm talking to other quarterbacks. He could

545
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Speaker 6: have popped a four high, four four low, four five.

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Speaker 5: He's that fast.

547
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 6: Now he's had injuries, but the medical bill, everything I've

548
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 6: heard has come out fine. But he you know, he

549
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 6: made a lot of big time throws. He made more

550
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 6: big time throws in anybody in college football last year.

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Speaker 5: I don't even think it's close.

552
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 6: And you know, he took a team that was four

553
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 6: and eighth the year before he showed up.

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00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 5: The roster was almost all the same.

555
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Speaker 6: The only thing was different was him, and then they

556
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 6: went twenty five and three and beat a bunch of

557
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 6: top top twenty five teams. I if you told me

558
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 6: he's lasting outside the top ten, whether it's the Raiders

559
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 6: or the Broncos or twelve or thirteen or whatever. I'm like, yeah,

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00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 6: all right, somebody's you know, I could see that, like

561
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Speaker 6: of the quarterbacks, and I'm gonna take Caleb out of

562
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 6: this just I've seen a ton of Caleb, and I'll

563
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 6: be surprised if Caleb does not have a spectacular NFL career.

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00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 5: But after that, I would I would put.

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Speaker 6: Pennix up against Drake may or against Jaden Daniels. I mean,

566
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 6: my heisman. You know, all respected Jayden Daniels, but you

567
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 6: know my Heisman vote went to Michael Pennix junior. And

568
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 6: you know, I think he is I think he's just

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Speaker 6: a special thrower of the football.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that the age and the acls are

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Speaker 3: part of the big reason he's dropping or are their

572
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Speaker 3: throws he can't make? Jeremiah had said on here that

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Speaker 3: there was like a layered throw he wasn't really able

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Speaker 3: to make against Michigan.

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Speaker 4: That's kind of plagued him.

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Speaker 3: But again, you know, and seeing him in the PAC

577
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Speaker 3: twelve against some of those defenses, they were you know,

578
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Speaker 3: couldn't stop them.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think the age thing is you know,

580
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 6: it's to me, like I feel like people get too

581
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 6: hung up on that. You know, it's like NFL quarterbacks

582
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Speaker 6: played you know for ten, twelve years or fifteen years

583
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Speaker 6: if they're really good. I mean, Aaron Rodgers is forty.

584
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 6: You know, Tom Brady was far beyond that. You know,

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Speaker 6: It's not like to me, I don't think I would

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00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 6: rather have a guy who has played a lot of

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Speaker 6: football and been through adversity and played a lot of

588
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Speaker 6: football games that part Rock Perty had, you know, he

589
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 6: had a ton of experience. And again, you know, a

590
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 6: DJ and I've talked about this where it's like, hey,

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Speaker 6: you know what they're working workshop and a lot of

592
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Speaker 6: stuff in college football, whereas in the NFL you really

593
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 6: can't do that, you know, if it starts going bad,

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Speaker 6: like you know, famously, we all remember Sam Darnold, you know,

595
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 6: talking on Monday and football, I see ghosts. You know,

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Speaker 6: it's hard to put especially in that market, as you know,

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00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 6: it's hard to put the toothpaste back in that, you know,

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Speaker 6: in that tube.

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00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 5: After that you can't.

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Speaker 6: And I think it's like scar tissue if you go

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Speaker 6: in the wrong place and it just you know, there's

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Speaker 6: a lot of really talented quarterbacks who didn't make it

603
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Speaker 6: for all sorts of reasons. But it's like, when they

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Speaker 6: get that shot, they better deliver and if they're not

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Speaker 6: ready for it, you know, it's unfortunate. But that's that's

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Speaker 6: kind of how it's going to play out, and somebody's

607
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Speaker 6: going to move on.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of adversity, Spencer Rattler is a name that's kind

609
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: of come out of nowhere lately, not as a first rounder,

610
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: but it's weird.

611
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Speaker 4: He was the chosen one.

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Speaker 3: He was going to be the Heisman winner in that

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Speaker 3: I think that season he was benched for Kayleb Williams

614
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Speaker 3: like three weeks in or four with something early and

615
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Speaker 3: then he ends up transferring. He's dealt with a lot

616
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Speaker 3: of adversity, but he was like a big time high

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Speaker 3: school prospect.

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Speaker 4: Where are you on Spencer Rattler and everything he's been

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Speaker 4: through and what he can be as.

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Speaker 5: A pro I hope it works out for him.

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Speaker 6: I mean we kind of waited, waited on and see

622
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Speaker 6: if it would you know, turn way up at South

623
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Speaker 6: Carolina really didn't. He had some good receivers around him,

624
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Speaker 6: but they you know, one point, the offensive line wasn't

625
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Speaker 6: great and you know, this year was a really rough

626
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Speaker 6: year for the game Cocks. I don't know, like it

627
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Speaker 6: depends on what situation he goes into. I mean, if

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Speaker 6: you told me he went in.

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Speaker 5: The first round, I would be very surprised.

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Speaker 6: You know, he you know, he's got an arm, he's

631
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Speaker 6: got a you know, a good arm. I think there

632
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Speaker 6: was you know, I think there was a lot put

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Speaker 6: on him. No fault of his own in this. You know,

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Speaker 6: he obviously did the reality show that a lot of

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Speaker 6: people knew him from, and that's tough to you know,

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Speaker 6: I don't think he was ready maturity wise, because you know,

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Speaker 6: who would be at that age.

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Speaker 5: Very few kids would have.

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Speaker 6: And then he went to Oklahoma where he was anointed

640
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Speaker 6: the next one, and that you know, the draft hype

641
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 6: machine got so out in front of things, and then

642
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Speaker 6: it just didn't work out, you know, And you know,

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Speaker 6: I think he does some good things. I just again,

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Speaker 6: I think it's gonna be what system he goes into.

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Speaker 6: And you know, does he get a chance where somebody

646
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Speaker 6: gets injured and then he you know, jumps in the mix.

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Speaker 6: Is it like, you know, get it. Does he get

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Speaker 6: a chance that way? I don't know. I mean, if

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Speaker 6: you ask me, I don't think he's in the group

650
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Speaker 6: with the with the first bunch of quarterbacks and you could.

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Speaker 6: I would put probably bo Nicks ahead of him. I

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Speaker 6: certainly would put Bonecks ahead of him. And then after that,

653
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 6: I don't know. Some people might like Michael prattform Tulane more.

654
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 6: I think it's you know, once you get past I

655
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 6: think the first batch. You know, it depends on who

656
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 6: goes into a really good system and who can handle

657
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 6: it and hit the ground running, and they need the

658
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 6: circumstances to work out, just like obviously brock Perty did.

659
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: All right, we could wrap up with twenty twenty five

660
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: and a name who. I don't think what Dion's doing

661
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: is right. Obviously you cover you know, you've covered Colorado

662
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 3: a lot, and you've been closer to Dion and you've

663
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: seen Shador Sanders up close. I don't like what Dion's

664
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: doing with some of the stuff he's saying. I'm very

665
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: pro Hey, if a quarterback, if Caleb wants to pick

666
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 3: where he wants.

667
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 4: To go, fine and go for it.

668
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 5: Do that.

669
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 4: I don't care.

670
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 3: You know, if Shaduur wants to do that, fine, But

671
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 3: we've never seen it where the dad, not even with Elway.

672
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 3: The stories I've read. The dad a year early is

673
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 3: saying all this stuff. Now, I know Elway's dad was

674
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: posturing about, hey we'll go to the Yankees, blah blah blah.

675
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 3: But like some of the stuff Dion's been saying lately,

676
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, you know Dion Moore, it's just

677
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 3: just you know him, just you know, not the down

678
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 3: derogatory is just him being a carnival barker just to

679
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 3: get attention to Colorado and get more recruits or transfer

680
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 3: portal guys.

681
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 4: I don't know what do you make of all this stuff.

682
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 6: You know, we were there the first week of the

683
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 6: season at TCU, and at halftime Dion talked about both

684
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 6: his son and Travis Hunter is a terrific talent, you know,

685
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 6: his former five star, number one recruit. As you know,

686
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 6: he went there with the heisman at halftime. They ended

687
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 6: up winning the game. And you know, I am a

688
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 6: I'm a big believer in Shador. I saw a bunch

689
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 6: of them this season, and I think he sees the

690
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 6: field well. I think he's really accurate. I think he's

691
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 6: a tough kid and he's clearly very smart. If you

692
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 6: told me he's a first round quarterback, I could totally

693
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 6: see it. I yeah, I think he's really good. Look,

694
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 6: I think Carson Beck at Georgia. You know, if he

695
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 6: was in this draft, he might be the second player.

696
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 6: Really yeah, I mean the ball, the ball comes out

697
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 6: of his hand fast. He's super smart, he's accurate. He's

698
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 6: probably a little better athlete than I think people gave

699
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 6: him credit for those I mean those two like Shador.

700
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 6: I think they're going to surround him with good players.

701
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 6: The offensive line has to be better, and I think

702
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 6: it will because they've recruited and gone into the portal better.

703
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 6: I could see Shador having, you know, a pretty spectacular season.

704
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 6: And again the stuff you're saying, it's Dion. We've never

705
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 6: seen anybody like Deon Sanders as college football coach in

706
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 6: terms of the personality, the charisma. Like I'll say this

707
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 6: about a year ago, it's maybe eleven months ago. The

708
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 6: conference meetings are in Arizona every year in May. Most

709
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 6: of the conferences, not the SEC are there. And some

710
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 6: of my coworkers who were sort of your coworkers at

711
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 6: Fox worked with Dion at NFL Network, and so we

712
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 6: ran into Dion and I kind of saw Dion. I

713
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 6: don't want to say unscripted, because that's not fair to

714
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 6: say he's scripted anyway, but like you saw Dion kind

715
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 6: of with his guards really down and just kind of

716
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 6: I'm not saying he's putting on any act or anything otherwise,

717
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 6: but I sat there and you know, listen for I

718
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 6: don't know, we were there for forty five minutes an hour,

719
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 6: and then later on we kind of sinked back up

720
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 6: with him. And I remember coming away from that telling

721
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 6: some people I know back here in Los Angeles. I

722
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 6: was like, I've never been around anybody. The only person

723
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 6: I could compare him to is Charles Barkley, and that's

724
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 6: not even enough, because there's no football coach I've ever

725
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 6: seen with a charisma level like Dion has.

726
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 5: You know, Dion can.

727
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 6: Say things for better or worse, that other coaches can't say.

728
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 5: And wouldn't get away with it.

729
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 6: But Dion can say things that other coaches might say,

730
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 6: and it becomes a bigger deal because it's Dion, right.

731
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 6: You know, First of all, we've you know, there's been

732
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 6: really good head coaches, There's been head coaches who were

733
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 6: really good football players. Dion's arguably the greatest cornerback of

734
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 6: all time, you know, and he is just just huge personality,

735
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 6: and I think he's constantly you know, we followed him

736
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 6: around at Fox for like the first three weeks of

737
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 6: the season, and they backed it up. You know, they

738
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 6: beat Nebraska, who wasn't very good, they beatcu who was

739
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 6: supposed to be good, and they put on a show.

740
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 6: And I think it's hard for me to kind of

741
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 6: figure out, Okay, is Deon doing this for this or

742
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 6: is you know, like I don't know. Here's what I

743
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 6: do know. I think Dion made Colorado football relevant nationally

744
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 6: again for the first time in like twenty five years.

745
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 6: And Dion has Dion's son is a really good quarterback

746
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 6: who I bet will be an NFL starter at some

747
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 6: point down the road. And he believes in his kid.

748
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 6: I mean he does. So you know, I'm not going

749
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 6: to get worked up about any of that. You know,

750
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 6: it's just you know, Carl Williams is trying to do

751
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 6: the best he can for his son, and we'll see

752
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 6: how that works out. I mean, I'd be surprised if

753
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 6: he doesn't go number one. I mean, it's just like,

754
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 6: he's really good and I think he is. I think

755
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 6: he is a smart kid, and I think a lot

756
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 6: of stuff, you know, you know what the draft machine is,

757
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 6: like everything gets overblown.

758
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, Well it's interesting with Caleb because yes,

759
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 3: his dad behind the scenes is involved.

760
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 4: But Dion behind the scenes could be.

761
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: The next coach of Shadur in the NFL, you know, like,

762
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want to go overboard, but like

763
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: the Cowboys right now, it sounds like Dak's not getting

764
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: an extension and McCarthy, you know, he's probably gonna be

765
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: going with they don't go deep in the playoffs.

766
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 3: So now you're like, oh, well, Dallas needs to coach

767
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 3: in the quarterback. Well, Dion played in Dallas and would

768
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: they trade up for Shadur maybe, And now all of

769
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: a sudden you've got Dallas, Dallas with Dion and Shador

770
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: and that's going to be I mean, you saw the

771
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: numbers for Colorado, like wherever Shadur goes, and if Dion

772
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: goes with him, I don't know if you are.

773
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 6: Are you talking TV ratings because their their record they're

774
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 6: winning as the losses wasn't great. Yeah, but but I

775
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 6: don't think somebody's gonna draft him and say, oh, like

776
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 6: it's the Dallas Cowboys. You know, if if you were

777
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 6: the quarterback people are still going to watch. They may

778
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 6: not watch for that long, but they're still going to

779
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 6: tune in to watch the Cowboys. Yeah, I don't think

780
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 6: they would look at it that way, but like, look,

781
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 6: if Dion goes into the Big twelve and Colorado goes

782
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 6: ten and three, yeah, I could see somebody going, Okay,

783
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 6: Dion could probably command a locker room. You know, by

784
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 6: that point at the end of next year, maybe both

785
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 6: his you know, his son and Travis Hunter might be

786
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 6: ready to for the NFL.

787
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 5: Who knows, I could see.

788
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 6: You know, you never know what happens a year from now,

789
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 6: I think, but you know, they obviously have to win.

790
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 5: You know, he made them relevant.

791
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 6: They were horrible and then this year he got them

792
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 6: from horrible to respectable. Now can they take the next

793
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 6: big step and we'll see what that means.

794
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 4: It's interesting, Shaudor.

795
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 3: I just looked at Yeah, so he went to college,

796
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 3: played for his dad, then they both went to Colorado,

797
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: So he's really only played for his dad at the

798
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: college level high school.

799
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 4: You know, he obviously didn't.

800
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 3: I don't see you down the road that would be.

801
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 3: It's like Lebron wanted to play with his son. You've

802
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 3: got to imagine Dion in the back that that would

803
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 3: be pretty cool to be an NFL coach and your

804
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 3: kid is the quarterback.

805
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 4: I don't think we've seen that anywhere.

806
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, there's a lot of unprecedented with him.

807
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 6: I think one of the questions I remember I heard

808
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 6: people had about Shadoor was when he was you know,

809
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 6: when he was in high school, even when he was

810
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 6: at Jackson State. You know, he always had you know,

811
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 6: kind of better than maybe what he was playing. And

812
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 6: in this time, he didn't really have an offensive line

813
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 6: to speak of, and he hung in there and he

814
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 6: put up big numbers and led him to some good wins.

815
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 6: And I think he won. I think for people who

816
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 6: didn't know much about him and only kind of you know,

817
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 6: I think they looked at him and was like, Okay,

818
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 6: you know, this kid can play. If his name was

819
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 6: Shadoor Smith and is that a Shador Sanders, I think

820
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 6: people would still you know, they wouldn't have talked about

821
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 6: him as much, obviously, but I think they would have

822
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 6: been like, oh, that quarterback of Colorado.

823
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 5: He's pretty good. He's very good.

824
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 6: I mean you watch how he hung on the ball,

825
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 6: and I mean again, it was his first time in

826
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 6: a major college football you know conference, and he dealt

827
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 6: with a lot of stuff there and and you know

828
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 6: he's they're an interesting team more than just that because

829
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 6: the head coach. That's a big reason. But they're in

830
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 6: you know, his son, his son can really play.

831
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 4: I think it's interesting.

832
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 3: We love this draft for quarterbacks, but the way you're

833
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 3: talking about Beck and now Shador Sanders, it's like, oh,

834
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: my next year could be awesome, but that's that's next

835
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 3: year anyways. Bruce Felvin, Fox Sports FS one. He does everything.

836
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 4: Any books on the horizon, Bruce anything want to.

837
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 5: Get people, No, not for not for a while.

838
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 6: If you want to go read about Joe Burrow, go

839
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 6: read uh go read that book. But other than that,

840
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 6: it's uh yeah, it's I'm doing a lot of draft stuff,

841
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 6: which I love as you do. It's just a it's

842
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 6: kind of a I don't know. I mean, I I'm

843
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 6: one of these people who just I love the NFL

844
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 6: and I get it. It's it can be an exhausting

845
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 6: news cycle all the time, but there's kind of kind

846
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 6: of nothing like it. And to see all the guys

847
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 6: that I covered, and you know, we did a lot

848
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 6: of Michigan games you were talking about JJ, I mean

849
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 6: last year in twenty twenty two, I think we had

850
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 6: six games of theirs, and I think we probably had them.

851
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 6: I probably saw him five times because I saw him

852
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 6: in both playoff games, and you know, so it's it's

853
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 6: interesting to see, you know, who translates. I mean, there's guys.

854
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 6: I mean, if you be the other Michigan guy who

855
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 6: I loved was Mikey Sainer. Still the you know, the

856
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 6: nickel who's who's smaller but really athletic and you know,

857
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 6: just a playmaker.

858
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 5: You know, that's a guy.

859
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 6: I think whoever gets him, we'll be really happy they

860
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 6: got him.

861
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 5: You know.

862
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 6: It's just you see some of these guys and you

863
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 6: kind of you remember what they look like two years

864
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 6: ago or three years ago, and now they get to

865
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 6: the end of the ride of the college part and

866
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 6: everything else is moving on, and you're just interested to

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Speaker 6: see where they fit and how they fit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, fascinating stuff. All right, Bruce, thanks a lot, enjoying

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Speaker 4: the draft. We'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 5: Body. Thanks Jase,