1 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: And we welcome you into episode six of the best 2 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: podcast available as we inch our way closer to the 3 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen NFL Draft. I'm Jason Gibbs, He's Andrew Gribble. 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: Coming up on the program today. We'll kind of get 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: through what's going on around the draft world as it pertains. 6 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: Two pro days just underway and in full go. Every 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: day it seems like there's a different Pro day going on, 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: and who's where and which Browns coaches and which Brown's 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: front office people are where. We'll talk about the pro days. 10 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: Coming up. Also a fantastic interview with draft expert Luke Easterling, 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: editor of the Draft Wire at USA Today. You can 12 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: follow him on Twitter at Luke Easterling and at the 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: Draft Wire. He's got a four round mock draft out, 14 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: which is great because obviously we don't have a first 15 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: round pick at pick number seventeen. So we talked second round, 16 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: third round, fourth round, and we get his over all 17 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: thoughts on the draft as well, and then uh, we'll 18 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 1: play a little game. Gribble and I will go back 19 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: and forth and go does this the position they should 20 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: take and take a look at it. Filling in the 21 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: second round or if they shouldn't take that and they 22 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: should pass, we'll call it yea or nay. Uh So 23 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: gribble on this uh on This Thursday, episode six of 24 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: the best podcast available. The Pro Days officially underway, but 25 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: again just not a lot of news going on right 26 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: now as it pertains to the draft. Yeah, I think 27 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: the big thing is is that it's not a quarterback draft, 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: and I think that has a big, big deal in 29 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: kind of building up the draft buzz. And I think 30 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: there's been some some things leaked here and there. I 31 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: think the big news item on Wednesday was Kyler Murray 32 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: had met with the Arizona Cardinals, had his one, had 33 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: his kind of private visit with them. He's already had 34 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: his pro day, so that's in the back burner and 35 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: I think he's done doing on field stuff leading up 36 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: to the draft. He had a very good pro day 37 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: from from all indications of it. And I think that's 38 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: gonna be the one story that drives this whole thing. 39 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: And we might, based on the cardinals best interests, we 40 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: might have our hand tipped one way or the other. 41 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: I mean, could they trapped if they trade Josh Rosen 42 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: here in the next month, then we know who they're taking. 43 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: They're going with Kyler Murray, and if they hold onto him, 44 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: then maybe that there will be a little bit more 45 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: suspense going into that weekend. And then even though he 46 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: played at Ohio State and it was a really good player, 47 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: the nick bos is the second best guy in the draft, 48 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: or maybe maybe maybe he is the best guy in 49 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: this draft, but it doesn't look like he's going to 50 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: be going number one if if the Cardinals go with 51 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. But it's that's tough. When we we like 52 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: especially when we had the first round pick. We like 53 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: that this was a defensive heavy draft, but you know, 54 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: points an offense is what sells in the NFL, and 55 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: there's not a not a ton of skill players. I mean, 56 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: there's maybe one running back that's gonna be a first 57 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: round pick. We got the Kyler Murray's the quarterback. There's 58 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: a couple of their first round quarterbacks, but they're not 59 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: exact really interesting, like they don't drive a lot of headlines. 60 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: I mean, last year you had the four big quarterbacks 61 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: with a bunch of quarterback needy teams. Now you have 62 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: one big name quarterback and the team he's linked to 63 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: as a team that just drafted a quarterback last year. 64 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: So it's just a different dynamic, different environment. You have 65 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: these drafts every now and again. Kind of reminds me 66 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: of two thousand thirteen, uh, where Eric Fisher, a mac 67 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: offensive lineman, was the top pick. John Dorsey's first pick 68 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: as the general manager of the Kansas City Chiefs. It 69 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: just wasn't an interesting draft. And that's and it turned 70 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: out that most of the players in that draft stunk. 71 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: But hopefully that's not the case this year. Hopefully a 72 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: lot of these guys are good players. We'll see. It's 73 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: just it's it's weird, and maybe maybe we're biased. Now 74 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: we're we're kind of out of the draft news leader 75 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: business here now that the Browns have kind of recalibrated 76 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: their roster. But you go to NFL dot com, there's 77 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: not a ton of big news headlines going on right now. 78 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: When when we're when I'm putting together the rundown for everybody, 79 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: it's one of those things where you really gotta h 80 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: scour the wire. You got to look through a bunch 81 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: of different websites. What what's making news, what's not making news? 82 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: I mean, the biggest three things that I have Josh 83 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: Jacobs is slow, Elijah holy Field is really slow, and 84 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: Paris Campbell tweaked something at the Ohio State Pro Day. 85 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: We think he tweaked something. He went down wrong. He 86 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: stopped running routes and stopped catching passes, and that's got 87 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: people in an uproar. But if that's where we're at 88 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: in terms of the draft, buzz wow. And we've got 89 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: five more weeks to go before we really get to 90 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. And now I'll throw out another headline 91 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: there that would have had a much bigger effect on 92 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: the Browns had the Browns maintained that first round pick. 93 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: The Montez Sweat story earlier this week about the heart 94 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: condition that he has and if that was going to 95 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: affect him and maybe get him to fall to the 96 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: Browns at number seventeen. But odds are he's not gonna 97 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: fall at number forty nine. But there were some buzz 98 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: about him going in the top five after kind of 99 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: the I'm buying and he had the senior role that 100 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: he had a past, a dynamic pass rusher. Now you 101 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: wonder if if it's going to be a situation where 102 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: he really falls, uh, you know, out of the top ten. 103 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: But I just can't see a talent like that falling 104 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: definitely that far to the Browns at number forty nine 105 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: because of a condition that it sounds like he seems 106 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: very comfortable with and his agent at least hoping optimistically 107 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: that all the teams feel comfortable enough with him to 108 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: still take him as one of the top pass rushers 109 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: in the draft. Taking a look, I mentioned Josh Jacobs 110 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: being slow at Alabama's Pro day, slow being an understatement. 111 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you take a look, and you mentioned lack 112 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: of skill position guys. I mean, there's not a running 113 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: back that you can say can change your franchise in 114 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: this draft in any way, shape or form. That's not 115 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: even close now. And and someone I think I forget 116 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: who to credit on this, but I think that they 117 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: mentioned that this is the first draft in a few 118 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: years where there hasn't been a jet narrational talent at 119 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: running back. It's not to say this isn't a good 120 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: year running back. There's some quality guys that I'm sure, 121 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: uh in October, we're gonna be wondering why we didn't 122 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: put them on our fantasy teams. They're like piling up 123 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: yards for their team. I mean it happens every year. 124 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: It's just the nature of the position. But there isn't 125 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: a Zeke Elliott. There isn't a Todd Gurley, there isn't 126 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: a say Quon Barkley. There isn't a Leonard for Nett, 127 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: who went number four overall to the Jaguars. And this 128 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: is now going back to where we were. Maybe it 129 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: was it two thousand and fourteen, where you're in thirteen 130 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: where your first running back was coming off the board 131 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: in the second round, and we were wondering if a 132 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: running back would ever be drafted in the first round 133 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: ever again because of the position. You know, the stuff 134 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: just goes in waves. But it's it's interesting because Jacobs 135 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: might be someone though that bucks the trend on I 136 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: don't think teams needed to see if this guy could 137 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: really run fast. I mean, I think this was an 138 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: acceptable speed, and I think I've heard he plays angry 139 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: and he's just you watch his film and you're like, 140 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: this is an NFL running back, Like that's that's what 141 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: shows up is And it comes back to the guys 142 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: evaluation is what they actually did in college. Even though 143 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: during this point in the process we try to make 144 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: it about everything, but what they did in college. To 145 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: follow up on that, can we talk about it? Because 146 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins went forty five for fifty, He had four 147 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: drops and only one bad pass, and everybody's losing their 148 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: minds over that. And Kyler Murray's numbers were crazy. You're 149 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: playing against a broom, You're playing in the field house. 150 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: As Nathan's Girl set on Cleveland Brown's Daily last night, 151 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: in his in his rec league game at the facility, 152 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: I was warming up and I completed forty out of 153 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: forty passes. Does that make me a prospect. We're getting 154 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: into the point where silly seasons officially beginning, and we're 155 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: over evaluating these pro days. I think you can only 156 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: hurt yourself at a pro day. I wouldn't I would 157 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: hope that a team would not elevate a player based 158 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: on their pro day performance, because this is where to me, 159 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: it's like, if you show up and do what you're 160 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: supposed to do a pro day, that or keeps you neutral. 161 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: If you don't do, if you suddenly look bad or 162 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: some things look look odd, then then maybe you get 163 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: some teams raising some more questions. I'll tell you something 164 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: that I think is really valuable these pro days that 165 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: it's kind of off the radar is when I was 166 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: back at covering Alabama, they have the big Pro Day. 167 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: Alabama has two of them, which is of course yeah, 168 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: because they always have a few guys that are hurt, 169 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: so then they have one really later in the process 170 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: when these guys heal up. I think infamously that the 171 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: Trent Richardson Pro Day was the second of Alabama's two 172 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: pro days and that was where he kind of won 173 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: the Browns over at that UH back in two thousand twelve. 174 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: But once every all the media leaves, and I don't 175 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: know if they do this at every school but Alabama, 176 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: they have what's called a junior Pro Day and they 177 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: have all their upcoming prospects. The guys go through all 178 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: the drills and everything like that, and I think then 179 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: scouts are starting to get their looks on future future 180 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: guys UH with with their team or they and they 181 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: just get these players used to going through the process. 182 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: And it just shows when you go to a big 183 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: school like Alabama that the part of their recruiting sheen 184 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: is promising to put you in the best possible position 185 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: UH with UH with NFL teams, and I think if 186 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: you talk to scouts, a lot of scouts say they 187 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: do almost as much work at these pro days for 188 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: future prospects as they're doing for their current prospects, because 189 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: they've already done a year's worth of work on those 190 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: guys and are are just crossing some teas and dotting 191 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: some eyes at these things. I mean, it could come 192 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: down to like the guy that's running the routes for 193 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 1: the senior quarterback or the quarterback that's coming out right 194 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: that they look at and go, oh, taking these pretty seriously, 195 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: and he runs pretty good routes. So I wonder if 196 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: we should go back and look at this guy's tape. 197 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: It comes down to the little things like that, uh, 198 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: that can really stand out and make a big difference. 199 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: As you said in two years and another, one of 200 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: my favorite pro day storylines is when a former player 201 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: that is trying to get back into the NFL is 202 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: showing up at these pro days or or is just 203 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: helping out. I think earlier this this, I think it 204 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: was last week, was a j P. Losman was throwing 205 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: passes at a pro day and then again going Mack 206 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: to Alabama. Member one of the pro days I was at, 207 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: maybe the last one I was at. Uh he didn't 208 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: do anything, but Rolando McClain just kind of showed up 209 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: and made his presence known to these NFL evaluators. You 210 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: know they're trying to do it, taking whatever path they 211 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: can can go to get back into the NFL, and 212 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: that you're never going to get a bigger concentration of 213 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: the top NFL people in one area as you do 214 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: as a protest sometimes, especially these big ones like Ohio 215 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: State in Alabam, Ohio State had all thirty two teams 216 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: represented and tow CFL teams. Yeah, so it was a 217 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: who's and we're not just talking one guy, We're talking 218 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: multiple guys from each each organization. And JP Losman was 219 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: actually asked by a Scott if he be interested in 220 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: coming back, and he politely declined, I'm skeptical on that one. 221 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm I'm skeptical on the seriousness of that 222 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: ass I am very interested to hear. I would have 223 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: loved to have seen that interaction and really known the 224 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: context to which he am. He was. He was, He 225 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: was terrible. There were some bad quarterbacks in the end 226 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: fell over the over the years, and he is definitely 227 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: right up to Lane was that is that where he 228 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: came from, to Lane Temple. It was one of us, 229 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: no idea he can he should go back because that's 230 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: about that was about the day. You should relive the 231 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: glory days because that's what got him drafted U c 232 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: l A into Lane. That's where he was at. He 233 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: was at U c l A. He must have been 234 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: his career there, but I know he finished up in 235 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: T Lane. That's saying something to say the least. All right, 236 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: So coming up, we will go yea or nay in 237 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: terms of positions and what makes the most sense for 238 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: the Browns in the second round. Right now, though, we'll 239 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: give you a chance to hear from one of the 240 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: draft experts. Again, we don't have a pick at seventeen, 241 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: so we're fighting the guys that go deep into the drafts, 242 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: that are doing mock drafts that are two rounds, three rounds, 243 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: four rounds, seven rounds. And we found one of our buddies, 244 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: Luke Easterland. You hear him on Cleveland Brown's Daily a lot, 245 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: and he is at the Draft Wire USA today. He's 246 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: the editor of the Draft Wire, a fantastic public cation. 247 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: You can catch his latest four round mock draft at 248 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: the Draft Wire, and he was kind enough to spend 249 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: a few minutes with us, gave us some great insight 250 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: as to who the Browns might be interested in in 251 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: in rounds two, three, and four, Maybe who would be 252 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: in there that the Browns might come back into round 253 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: one four, and did a really really good job breaking 254 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: down the draft as a whole. This is where we're 255 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: getting into the nitty gritty. And he told us, you 256 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: gotta you can get good players. You guess you gotta 257 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: do a little bit more research. It's it's it's beyond 258 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: It's not the high profile guys from the NFL combine, 259 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: not the guys who took all the post pictures and 260 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: everything like that. I mean, I still think I could 261 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: be wrong. I mean, I think this people are going 262 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: to get excited by the second round of the draftday. 263 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 1: Friday night will be the new Thursday Night. It'll turn 264 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: into it into a Browns fans will turn it into 265 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: a party of sorts. And I think that based on 266 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: I will tell you this, some inside numbers with Cleveland 267 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: Browns dot com articles involving the second round pick have 268 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: done even better than some of our draft articles were 269 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: before the Odell Beckham trade. I think people are even 270 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: more into now. We're seeing the real die hards come 271 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: out and be really interested in this because I think 272 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people in their heads are going to 273 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: view this second round pick in their heads as the 274 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: first round pick, and this guy, unfortunately might have the 275 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: expectations of a first round pick that you you're thinking, 276 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: you've got this one top two round pick. You gotta 277 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: plug him in and make him a starter. That might 278 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: not be the case, but I think that that's gonna 279 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: be the excitement that's gonna hover around that. I also 280 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 1: think a lot of people are gonna watch Thursday expecting 281 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: Dorsey to make a train. I would agree with that, 282 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: and that's why we'll all be here on Thursday night 283 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: till the very end. Yeah, because we're thinking the same thing. 284 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: We hope you enjoy an interview here with Luke Easterling. 285 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: Have a listen you, my friend, have gone and overachieved 286 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: and done a four round mock draft, which is great 287 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: for us because we don't have a first round pick, 288 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: so getting to know some of these guys in the second, third, 289 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: and fourth rounds is something that we're working our way 290 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: through and at pick number forty nine, you have the 291 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: Browns taking Rock your sin, the defensive back from Temple. 292 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: Let's get started with with him and what you see 293 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: in him and why you see him falling all the 294 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: way to number forty nine and the Cleveland Browns. Yeah, 295 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: he's an interesting guy. I mean when when heading into 296 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: the combine, at least he was a guy that UM 297 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: had finally started to gain some traction as as a 298 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: potential top five corner in this class, it's really kind 299 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: of a muddy corner class. There's not really that you know, 300 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: elite top five prospect. You know, l s Us Greedy 301 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: Williams is the guy that's probably getting the most talk 302 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: right now, UM, mostly because of his size and speed. 303 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: But you know, after that, it really gets um, it 304 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: gets kind of like who do you like? What are 305 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: your you know, what is your scheme fit? And and 306 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: there's so many names that could be that second or 307 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: third or fourth corner off the board and heading into 308 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: the combine, Rock kind of started to pick up steam 309 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: as one of those guys. I know, Daniel Jeremiah from 310 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: NFL Network was starting to talk him up a lot UM, 311 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: which made me feel better because he's a guy that 312 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: I found kind of early on and was like, wow, 313 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: why why isn't this guy being talked about? Uh, kind 314 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: of in that range and that's five corner range. So um, 315 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: to get him, you know, on the back end of 316 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: the top fifty would definitely be a huge win for Cleveland. 317 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: And again, you know, people will read any mock draft 318 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: and say, you know, how did that guy end up 319 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: going that late? And you know, if if you look 320 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: at the history of the draft, there's always you know, 321 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: a handful of picks where you know, in every round 322 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: we look and see how did that guy end up there? 323 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: And you know, team needs really dictate a lot early on. Uh, 324 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: you know, teams just you know would love to take 325 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: over all the best player on the board, but sometimes 326 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: that's not what you need. You have to take what 327 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: you need, and that's how a guy like rock Yessne 328 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: can end up still on the board at forty nine, 329 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: which again for for the Browns who obviously you know, 330 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: hit the jackpot with Denzel Ward at number four last year, 331 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: getting a rookie Pro Bowl or at the premium position 332 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: like that, to be able to pair him with a 333 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: guy like Yasine would be huge, especially since you don't 334 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: have a first round pick, you basically get a first 335 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: round talent at forty nine. Now, look, I'll ask you 336 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: about two guys you have going slightly below rock yess In. 337 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: The guy's two names that have been linked to the 338 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: Browns a bunch in this process. The first from being 339 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: Draymond Jones, a defensive lineman out of Ohio State. He's 340 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: a Cleveland native, plays a position of need for this team. 341 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you if you think he could potentially 342 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: make sense for the Browns at forty nine. Then another one, 343 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons, the Mississippi State defensive lineman. You have been 344 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: falling all the way the fifty six, maybe lower than 345 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: a lot of other people doing these mock drafts. What 346 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: what makes you think he can he can fall that far? 347 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: And if you think John Dorsey might take a swing 348 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: at him at forty nine as well. Yeah, those are 349 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: both guys that make a ton of sense for them. 350 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, with with the moves they've 351 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: made in the off season, Um, you know, going into 352 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: free agency, I thought that the three tech spot was 353 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: a big need for them. Bringing in Sheldon Richardson I 354 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: think was one of the more underrated signings um of 355 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: free agency, and obviously you o Olivier barn into that 356 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: pass rushing group. Emmanuel aguas a guy that, especially in 357 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: passing situations, I feel like you can slide him inside 358 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: uh and and make use of his strength as an 359 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: interior pass rusher in passing situations. But um, depth along 360 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: the defensive line is never a bad thing to have. 361 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: So uh if the Browns way it into this, you know, 362 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: looking to take advantage of the fact that this year's 363 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: defensive line class, especially in terms of interior guys, is 364 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: just loaded. Uh, So you're gonna end up with a 365 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: lot of talented guys still on the board there in 366 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: that top fifty range. Um. Draymond Jones is the guy 367 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: that I've mocked to the Browns, you know, multiple times, 368 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: because I do like that fit. Not the best run 369 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: defender in the world. Again, he's a little bit tall 370 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,479 Speaker 1: and lean, um, so it's a little difficult for him 371 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: to kind of anchor in that way. But man, what 372 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: an explosive pass wrestler for his size, uses those long arms. Uh, 373 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: just really good at getting after the quarterback. Um. And 374 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: then Jeffrey Simmons is gonna be one of those wild 375 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: card guys. Not only does he have you know, the 376 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: kind of the off field situation that he dealt with 377 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: prior to his time at Mississippi State. UM, you know 378 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: that's gonna have you know that I'm sure was a 379 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: big question mark for a lot of teams when they 380 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: met with him, UM, over this process and any time 381 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: any private visits he does, that's definitely something that's gonna 382 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: come up. UM. And even if teams do end up 383 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: feeling comfortable with that, you've got a guy who you know, 384 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: just towards the zeal you know, lay in the process, 385 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: not even in a bowl game, but after that, um, 386 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: you know, working out and prepping for the combine in 387 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: the draft. So you're talking about, you know, a long 388 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: recovery time that's probably going to you know, make him 389 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: somewhat of a non factor as a rookie. That's really 390 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: going to be more of a red shirt year while 391 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,239 Speaker 1: he tries to rehab and get back to full strength. So, 392 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: you know, as a player on the field at full strength, 393 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: if we had no no a c L injury, no 394 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: off the field issues, we're talking about Jeffrey Simmons in 395 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: the top fifteen pick. So UM, That's definitely just something 396 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 1: that every team is going to have to weigh both 397 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: the medical evaluation and how comfortable they feel with his recovery, uh, 398 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: and also the off field stuff as well. Um. That's 399 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: why I have him going to New England. I feel 400 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: like New England's a team that's a little bit more 401 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: in a position to take kind of a risky luxury pick. Um. 402 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: They've got multiple seconds, They've got multiple third round picks. 403 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: I feel like if he's still on the board, they 404 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 1: can take that chance. Um. Whereas you know, a team 405 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: like Cleveland, although they have added a lot of talent, 406 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: I feel like they're they may not be in a 407 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: position to take a red shirt type of player, especially 408 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: now without a first round pick. That second rounder becomes 409 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: your your first pick, uh, and the one you kind 410 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: of have to ride behind. So if you're making your 411 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: first pick a guy who might miss the entire rookie season, 412 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: and do you feel like that's a little too risky 413 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: for a team like the Brown what can you tell 414 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: us about the guys that you have going in the 415 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: third round. In the fourth round, we're talking with Luke 416 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: Easterling from the Draft Wire, one of the great draft 417 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: experts out there. He's got a four round mock draft 418 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: out and we are big fans obviously since we don't 419 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: have a first round pick. Here on the best podcast available, 420 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: You've got one thorn Hill safety out of Virginia at 421 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: pick number eight and a pick number one nineteen. You've 422 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: got Tray Lamar, the linebacker out of Clemson. And I me, personally, 423 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: anybody that I can get out of Clemson, the way 424 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: that that defense played and way that that team plays, 425 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: I'm all four. So you've got us loading up going 426 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: three defensive guys with three picks right out of the gate. Yeah, 427 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: And I think it just comes down to trying to 428 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: add talent and athleticism at every pick, and and if 429 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: you can film me that way, that's great. You know, 430 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: the any team should want to approach the offseason in 431 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: a way that allows them to fill their biggest needs 432 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: in free agency with veteran players so that you can 433 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: then go into the draft and and be a little 434 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: more flexible. You don't feel like you have to uh 435 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: stick to your needs as much as you know, trying 436 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: to find the best overall football players to add the 437 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: your roster as a whole um. So in this situation. 438 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: I think both of those picks kind of fit the 439 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: Browns on both sides of both talent and value wise 440 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: as well as filling needs. One Thornhill. Um, you want 441 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: to talk about an explosive guy as a safety he Uh. 442 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: I think he came up one inch short of the 443 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: vertical jump record at the combine. I think he jumped 444 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: like something crazy like that, um, which again is just 445 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: it shows you that explosiveness, that lower body strength, the 446 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: flexibility that he showed also in the positional drills to 447 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: move back and forth, flip his hips and coverage. UM. 448 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: Just the guy that I think the Browns could really 449 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: use on the back end. Obviously, to Marius, Randall has 450 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: kind of seen a resurgence in his career after they 451 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: moved him back to safety where he was always more comfortable. UM. 452 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: Green Bay trying to make him into a corner or 453 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,719 Speaker 1: its didn't work out too well, But the Browns are 454 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: seeing kind of the fruits of of his labor at 455 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: a position. I think he's much more comfortable uh. And 456 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: I think they just need another playmaker like that on 457 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: the back end, and I think one Thornhill has the 458 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: athleticism to do that. Um. Trail Lamar. Like you said, 459 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: anybody who comes out of Clemson, they're one of those 460 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: programs that you can pretty much trust you're gonna get 461 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: a certain level of prospect no matter who it is. Uh. 462 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: And Trail Lamar is you know, he's not the what 463 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: seems like the new school of linebacker where they're under sized. 464 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: They're basically like big safeties UH that can you know, 465 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: move all around the field, but you kind of feel 466 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: like you're giving something up in terms of feeling physicality 467 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: and the ability to shed the blocks of those offensive 468 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: line and get up on them at the second level. Um, 469 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: you know, Trail Lamar is a little bit more of 470 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: a throwback linebacker. He's a big guy, physical, really really tough, 471 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: but still retains enough of that athleticism to make play 472 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: from sideline to sideline. He's not gonna be a liability 473 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: on third downs and coverage, and you can also get 474 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: after the pass or if you want to move them 475 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: down on the edge in certain situations. So again, three 476 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: guys that that I think Phil immediate needs for this team, 477 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: which again, if you look up and down the Browns 478 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: roster after this offseason, it's a lot harder than usual Uh, 479 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: to find really glaring needs on that roster, and I 480 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: think that there are only a few left, and I 481 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: think these picks kind of helped build up. Look, there's 482 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: not a lot of discussion about safety here with the 483 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: Browns in the wake of trading Jabrill Peppers and you 484 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: mentioned Thornhill in the third round. If the Browns were 485 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: to go after a safety with their second round pick, 486 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: or even trade up for someone, is there someone in 487 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: mind that you think that would fill that Pepper's role 488 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: as best as possible in this year's class. Yeah, I 489 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: think safety that second round could be the sweet spot 490 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: for that position. I think I'm I'm kind of finishing 491 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: on my grades now. I don't know that I'll have 492 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: a first round grade at safety in this class, but 493 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: I might have, you know, five or six that end 494 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: up in the second round range. So, um, you know, 495 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: will a team feel like they need to reach on 496 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: the back end of the first round for one of 497 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: those guys. That might be the case, but they might 498 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: look at the overall depth of kind of that that 499 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: next tier of the safety class and say, man, I 500 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: feel much more comfortable waiting on a guy in the 501 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: second or third round that could leave a team like 502 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: the Browns in a good spot because if they don't, 503 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, they don't pick till forty nine, and some 504 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: of the teams around them feel like they can be 505 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: patient either late in the first early in the second 506 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: round ahead of them and wait on safety. That could 507 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: leave guys like Deonte Thompson from Alabama, Taylor rap from Washington, UM, 508 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: the Sire Adderley from Delaware, who I know is a 509 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: popular guy even though he's a small school guy, great athlete, 510 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: played some corner as well. Um. Really really athletic safety 511 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: is in this class. Chauncey Gardner Johnson Florida is another 512 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: guy that can play nicol or drop back and play safety, 513 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: and I really really like his game. So if they 514 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: want to go safety in the second round, I I 515 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: feel really really comfortable with the fact that there's gonna 516 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: be some fantastic talent still on the board there. Luke, 517 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: is there a guy in the first round that you 518 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: really like that if he is slipping into the later 519 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: portion of the round that you if you were the Browns, 520 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: you would go up and try to get by trading 521 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: back into the first round. Or there are a couple 522 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: of players that that you like that way that you 523 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: go after if they start to slip. Yeah, I think 524 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: one of those safeties that I mentioned earlier would make 525 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: a lot of sense. I think if there's a corner 526 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: like maybe the Andre Baker from Georgia, who's the guy 527 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: that you know has fantastic film, probably didn't have the 528 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: combine performance that he wanted to in terms of showing 529 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: off his athletic ability, but I mean the ball skills, 530 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: the instincts he has, he has all those intangible qualities 531 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: that really make an elite corner, uh, what an elite 532 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: corner should be. So I think if he's a guy 533 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: that kind of stays on the board in that late 534 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: first round, which I think is where I have him 535 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: going I think twenty seven to Oakland right now, if 536 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: he slips past there gets into those last couple of picks, 537 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: I think the Rams, particularly at thirty one, are a 538 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: team that would would love to come off that pick, 539 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: go back into the second round, uh and pick up 540 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: some extra picks because they're missing a few. Um, if 541 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: if if the Browns see that kind of player up there, 542 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: which I think could be a perfect compliment again to 543 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: Denzil board, like we discussed earlier, Um, he's a guy 544 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: that would make sense to go up and jump up again. 545 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: The Browns have have yet to add a quarterback to 546 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: the room veteran wise this offseason. That's led to a 547 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: lot of speculation that uh, John Dorsey and Elite Wolf 548 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: and Alonso high Smith, all of whom had that background 549 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: of the Packers where they drafted quarterbacks. Uh a lot 550 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: there even though they had their guy. Is there a 551 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: late round guy that you like that at the quarterback 552 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,479 Speaker 1: position that that you could maybe see uh getting some 553 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: good value on with one of those fifth round picks. 554 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: You know, if there's a late round guy that it 555 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: depends on what you want in that late round player. 556 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,719 Speaker 1: Are you looking for a guy who is you know, 557 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: has the tools to eventually develop into a franchise guy? 558 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: Are you looking for a guy who's going to be 559 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: an acceptable back up to Baker Mayfield and be a 560 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: good teammate, be a guy that you can rely on 561 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: to be around. And if you're looking in the sixth 562 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: or seventh round, I think the guy if you're looking 563 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: for the ladder, which is what I would be looking 564 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: for if I'm the Browns. Obviously I have my franchise 565 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: guy in Baker Mayfield. I don't want to bring in 566 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: anybody that's even gonna make it remotely look like he's not, 567 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, our guy and and the guy we're going 568 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: to be behind. I'd be looking at a guy like 569 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: Trace McSorley from from Penn State, a guy who was 570 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: a fantastic leader. Talk to anybody who played UH for 571 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: McSorley at Penn State over his career and no rave 572 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: about his leadership ability, his intelligence, the way he prepares 573 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: for games, and then when he gets on the field, 574 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: the way he you know, overcomes what people will call 575 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: a lack of athleticism, a lack of physical traits. You know, 576 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: if you look at him and watches his testing necessary, 577 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: you won't see a physically imposing player, but you'll you'll 578 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: see a guy on game day who's gonna bust his 579 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: tail and and and do everything he can to put 580 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: his teammates in position to win. And I think that's 581 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: something that a guy that's what makes a guy like 582 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield so successful. And I think that's the type 583 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: of personality that would make a fantastic backup quarterback. And 584 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: if you're willing to spend a six or seventh round 585 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: pick on that kind of guy, I would make sense 586 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: talking with Luke Easterling. You can catch his four round 587 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: mock drafted draft wire dot USA Today dot com. You 588 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: can also follow him on Twitter. He's a great follow, 589 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: a lot of good information at Luke Easterling and at 590 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: the draft Wire. Taking a look at your first round? 591 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 1: What are your takeaways on Kyler Murray? A very polarizing player. 592 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on him? My thoughts are when 593 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: when you attack his evaluation, you have to throw the 594 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: hype thing out the window. In my opinion, I don't 595 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: think size is skill. Um. I think that if you 596 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: kind of take those blinders off and pretend, if you 597 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: need to, that he's six three or six four, and 598 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: just watch what he does as a prospect as a passer, 599 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: especially from the pocket, I think you come away saying, Yeah, 600 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: this is the guy who probably deserves to be in 601 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: the conversation to be the number one overall pick. Uh. 602 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: And if you're not comfortable with that, I think you 603 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: probably need to reevaluate uh. That kind of hype bias 604 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: that I think a lot of people still have. So 605 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: you know, when you do look at the film, you 606 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: see a guy who's not only very explosive as a 607 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: runner when plays breakdown, and can really really frustrate and 608 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: and stretch out at defense by making them prepare and 609 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,719 Speaker 1: and always be um watching and wary of his ability 610 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: to do that. But when he's you know, I wouldn't 611 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: even say when he's forced it in the pocket, when 612 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: he's very comfortable making place from the pocket. Um, It's 613 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: just I don't think that people have enough of an imagination, 614 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: even in within the league sometimes to imagine that a 615 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: five ten quarterback can come in and be an effective capacitor. 616 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: But you know, to do it at a place like Oklahoma, 617 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: it's not like he did it, you know, it'd even 618 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: you know, the Division two or three level. He did 619 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: this against top competition, won the Heisman Trophy. Um, you know, 620 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what else this guy can do to 621 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: prove to people that he is an elite prospect and 622 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: he's absolutely capable of being a franchise quarterback. In your 623 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: mock draft, you've got the Bengals trading up to number 624 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: five to take Dwayne Haskins. Is Haskins the best quarterback 625 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: in this draft and in some of the mock drafts 626 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: we've seen the Giants that it has, the Giants actually 627 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: passing on Haskins at six, which a lot of people said, 628 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: Haskins to the Giants natural fit, and then Giants going 629 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: a different way at pick number seventeen without Brown's pick. 630 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: Where do you see him going? Do you do you 631 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: think someone you've got, someone like Cincinnati moving up to 632 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: number five and trading a boatload of picks. What what's 633 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: you're feeling on Haskins? Yeah, I do think he's the 634 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: best quarterback in this draft, and I think he's got 635 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: all the tools to do it. I think the problem 636 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: will be, particularly when you're talking about the Giants, talking 637 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: about a team with a very old school general manager, 638 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: uh in Dave Gettleman, who I think skill set wise 639 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: would be, you know, completely comfortable with Haskins. But a 640 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: lot of more experienced gms really get hung up on 641 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: uh college quarterbacks who don't have a whole lot of 642 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: starts under their belt. And when you're talking about Haskin, 643 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy who's only a one year 644 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: starter at Ohio State. UM, you know obviously that one 645 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: year was unbelievable, broke uh pretty much every big ten 646 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: passing record there was most of which we were held 647 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: by Threw Brees. And do you know, fifty touchdown passes 648 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: and eight interceptions that one season tells me quite a bit. 649 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: I just think that for a guy like Gettleman, he's 650 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: gonna need more than that. Uh. And I wouldn't be 651 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: surprised to see him pass on him at number six, 652 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: even though I think that would be crazy. Um. Again, 653 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: I think that Haskins has all the tools to be 654 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: the best quarterback in this draft. Extremely accurate quarterback, which 655 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: is really one of the most important things you need. 656 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: Has checked every box, and I don't understand why he's 657 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: not in the conversation in the top five. I if 658 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: I were a team and needed a quarterback, I'd be 659 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: willing to go up and get him. I don't know 660 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: if the Bengals will be that team. Um. And with 661 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: other teams like Washington and Miami looking like they've made 662 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: enough veteran moves to kind of maybe they're punting on 663 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: this class and waiting until next year. I think whoever 664 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: ends up with Dayne Haskins is going to make the 665 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: rest of the teams who need a quarterback look silly 666 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: for not trying harder to make him their guy, Luke. 667 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: We appreciate the time today. Fantastic stuff and again you 668 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: can catch him on Twitter at Luke Easterling and at 669 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: the Draft Wire. Also be sure to check out their 670 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: website for the latest four round mock Draft Draft Wire 671 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: dot USA Today dot com. Luke appreciate the time as always, 672 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: continued the great work and I'm sure we'll be talking 673 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: with you again here as we get closer to draft day. 674 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: All the best to you, my friend. Hey, it's always 675 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: a pleasure. Thanks Hellas. That was Luke Easterling. He'll be 676 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: back on You've heard him on Brown's Daily Great get 677 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: great idea by Gribbs to UH to go after him 678 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: this week for the best podcast available and a lot 679 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: of great information there and his my draft is is unique, 680 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: uh in the fact that he's got Cincinnati trading up, 681 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: which I don't know if I buy all the way 682 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: to the one, that's the one franchise I could never 683 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: see doing that. I just I think they're just so 684 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: conservative and yeah, and they just have their system and 685 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: build yeah they always have. Like I was even stunned, 686 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: I was doing a free agency recap the other day 687 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: that they they had a first round picked dark Quisidinard, 688 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: who's a free agent right now, and he still was 689 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: with the team for five years. They stuck with him. 690 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: Wasn't good, I mean, it wasn't great, but he turned 691 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: into a player that they eventually built up to at 692 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: least start nine games this past year and then they're 693 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: just gonna move on from But they still got five 694 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: years out of him. I don't know if guys like 695 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: that stick around five years at most other teams. If 696 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: they're not performing, it's just there. That's why all those 697 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: that they that's what worked for them. I think when 698 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: they were having their good run, they had really good 699 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: team chemistry. All those guys stuck together. But then when 700 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: you miss on some of your d F picks, it 701 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: can it can catch up to them in a hurry. 702 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: And that's why I think the Bengals are where they 703 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: are right now. I just they made that one trade 704 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: last year before the draft to get Corty Glenn. Now 705 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: I thought that was a bold move on their party. 706 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: This would be for them to be so invested in 707 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. I know they're probably off the hook with 708 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: him in a in a in a year or two. 709 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: I don't know the details of his contract. But that 710 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: would be such a bold move for them in a 711 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: in a year of transition within the division. I would 712 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: be stunned to see them do that. Yeah, I agree, 713 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: and I think they have a lot of holes to 714 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: fill right now. You've got a quarterback that you can 715 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: at least get you through the rebuilding process too. You 716 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: get your next quarterback. Yeah. Uh. He does have three 717 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: defensive players defensive back, safety, linebacker, all three very very uh. 718 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to say very big needs, but needs 719 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: for this football team, especially from a depth perspective. Yeah, 720 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's I think that's what we're looking 721 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: at it. Maybe it's because the Odell Beckham signing overshadowed everything, 722 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: but I mean the Browns did make two hugh addition 723 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: to their defense in free agency, which is what we 724 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: would all be talking about right now, had the Odell 725 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: Beckham trade not happened. Is that is how much better 726 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: the Browns should be on defense now after the addition 727 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: of Olivia Vernon and Sheldon Richardson. I just think it's 728 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: one of those position groups though, where people look at 729 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: it and think that's still not enough. You might need more. 730 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: I mean we've seen these guys get hurt so much, 731 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: and you see the drop off sometimes when you don't 732 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: have the appropriate amount of depth. I think that now 733 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: that you're in a position where, even though you are 734 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: coming off a seven, eight and one season, you're almost 735 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: treating this draft as if you were in the playoffs 736 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: last year because of all the moves you've made. Now 737 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: you're looking to fill depth phil holes. You're not looking 738 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: for the immediate impact starters that maybe you were in 739 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: years past. So that's why defense I think comes up. 740 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: But I I don't think it's a lock ego defense 741 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: with those with all three of those picks that that 742 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: he mocked, at least all right. With that being said, 743 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,719 Speaker 1: let's play a little game called yea or na meaning 744 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: the Browns second round pick, which is picked number forty nine. 745 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: I'll give you a position. You'll tell me yea or 746 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,919 Speaker 1: nay as a possibility for the Browns at pick number 747 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: forty nine. Okay, so let's have a little fun here. 748 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: Quarterback or it's a quick name. It's a quick one. 749 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: It's a very very quick one. Now that being said, 750 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: I totally think a quarterback could be in play in 751 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: the fifth round. Yes, I think they've got to go 752 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: get another guy. Yeah, I mean there's still some guys 753 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: out there, And as we're taping this right now, one 754 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: of the better quarterbacks on the market just signed with 755 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 1: the Jets, and that's Trevor Simeon. They clear the Jets 756 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: clearly are not waiting on Josh McCown to make his 757 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: decision about his football future. They're getting their backup behind 758 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: Sam Donald. He was one of the more attractive candidates 759 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: still out there on the quarterback market. Not a lot 760 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: to love about this backup quarterback market. You need an 761 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: arm at some point for camp here coming up, and 762 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 1: so I could see a really off the radar name 763 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: coming up before the draft just to fill fill some 764 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: holes and then you may be using one of those 765 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: fifth round picks to go get someone. The guy I 766 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: like is Tyree Jackson out a Buffalo total project, but 767 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: I wonder. I mean, it's one of those things where 768 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,879 Speaker 1: you got your guy in place, and as Luke said, 769 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: you don't want to rock the boat in any way, 770 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 1: shape or form. So you want to have someone come 771 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: in and and know their role and know and be 772 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: a valuable backup. And there's a lot to that, and 773 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: that's where he he threw out Trace McSorley that that 774 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: one was interesting. Has hasn't there been stuff floated by 775 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: him playing other positions like out there. I mean, I 776 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: don't know if he denied he did not want to 777 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: try out at like defensive back. Remember at the combine 778 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 1: they asked him, I think you played dB or safety 779 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: and he was like, no, Yeah, I mean, I guess 780 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: maybe I just want someone there's no one similar to Baker, 781 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: but maybe someone similar in that, someone who was able 782 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: to comprehend and pick up anything that in the offense 783 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: that you're just huge six Yeah, I means, as someone says, 784 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: Josh Allen without the top ten pick. So it'll be interesting, 785 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: but it's definitely in play the longer we go into 786 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: free agency without signing someone. Alright, QB is an a 787 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: for the second pick or the number one pick in 788 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: the second round for the Browns, a pick number what 789 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: about running back Nay in the second round. But I 790 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,399 Speaker 1: think it's gonna happen at some point the draft, even 791 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,919 Speaker 1: though you seem loaded up to the point where people 792 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: are floating out the idea of of of trading a 793 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: Duke Johnson. I just think that you like to have 794 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 1: as many options as possible, and if you do make 795 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: a trade with Duke Johnson, once Cream Hunt gets back, 796 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: you're gonna need someone in that room. Could it be 797 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: an undrafted route like they did last year at Don 798 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: Charles Hilliard. Maybe, but I definitely think it's in play, 799 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: but definitely not in the second round wide receiver yea 800 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: or nay. By the way, I agree with you. At 801 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 1: some point they'll need to get a running back, but 802 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: not that's not that high Yeah, nay, And I think 803 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,959 Speaker 1: it might almost be completely off the board at some point. 804 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: I sure, I don't know if there's I mean again, 805 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: anything goes in the late rounds, you really are going 806 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: with the best player available at that point. But especially 807 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: if you don't have a team make up an offer 808 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: sheet for Chard Higgins here in the coming weeks. So 809 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: if if Higgins is definitely back, uh, he was. He 810 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: was given the original round tender, so teams have the 811 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: opportunity up until April nineteen to Matt to make an 812 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: offersheet that the Browns have an opportunity match or not match. 813 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: But if he's back, you've got a lot of guys 814 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: and and more importantly, the bottom guys are all with 815 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: the exception of Ricardo Lewis. Are all guys that are 816 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 1: Dorsey picked guys. I mean, You've got Damion Ratley, who's 817 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: a draft pick last year, Derek Willies who played who 818 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: impressed in the minimal opportunity he had last year, Jalen 819 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: Strong's we signed. I mean, so you've got a lot 820 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: of options at that position. Uh so I would I 821 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: would say nay now, and it would not surprise me 822 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: if you don't draft one at all in this draft. Yeah, 823 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: no question about I agree with you on the nay 824 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: tight end. I'm going yea on this one. I could 825 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: definitely see it as a possibility because I think there 826 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: are a few people who line up with you know, 827 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: at that point in the draft at number forty nine. 828 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,760 Speaker 1: The tight end I really like is IRV Smith Jr. 829 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 1: Out of Alabama. He could be available at forty nine. 830 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: Jay Sternberger could be available at that spot. I just 831 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: think you've you've got two guys in the room who 832 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: look like starters in the joke and Harris you got 833 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: set to Valve entering what is it now his fourth 834 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: season with the team and coming off a pretty rough 835 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: two season, and then Farrell Brown and that's it. You 836 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: don't have much else at that position, and I do 837 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: think that you can really diversify your offense with getting 838 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: another guy at that position, especially someone who is a 839 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: capable run blocker as well, because you signed to meet Harris, 840 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: but he's again you. You signed Darren Wells in a 841 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: similar situation last year and moved on from after a year. 842 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 1: Harris is basically a younger version of Fells, but he's 843 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: been in the league for six years or so. Now 844 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: I could I think it is in play. Do I 845 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: think it's likely? No, But I'm definitely not naying at 846 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: this point. You can say yea, but I'm gonna go nay. 847 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:09,800 Speaker 1: I love me some Farrell Brown, all right, what about tackle? 848 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: Yea or nay. I'm gonna break down the offensive line 849 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 1: by position. Yeah, I'm gonna go. I'm on the fence, 850 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: but I'll say nay on this one. I think you've 851 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 1: got a bunch of guys here. I think the signing 852 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: of Kendall Lamb was kind of underrated because I think 853 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: he's going to provide some competition at right tackle. With 854 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 1: Chris Hubbard. You've got your competition at not not competition, 855 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: but you've got your backups out on the left sack 856 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,919 Speaker 1: tackle with Desmond Harrison, a player that this organization still 857 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 1: believes in strongly. So I don't know if you're going 858 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 1: with a tackle that early in the draft. I could 859 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: see maybe taking a flyer uh later in the draft 860 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: on the tackle position, but it's pretty it's pretty top heavy. 861 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,280 Speaker 1: I think all of the ones that you'd be willing 862 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: to take a risk on or have to have to 863 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: snatches like the best player available. I just don't think 864 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna line up as a as a best player 865 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 1: available for I would say yea, because you're gonna never 866 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: have enough offensive lineman to protect the franchise. Yeah, So 867 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,439 Speaker 1: I think I think it's totally in play for John 868 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: Dorsey about guard. That That's why I'll go YEA on 869 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: that one, because I think that you've you're essentially the 870 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: way you view it now. You're moving up Austin Corbett 871 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: to right right guard. You brought in Eric Cush, a 872 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,359 Speaker 1: veteran guy. You're you're not planning for the future with him, 873 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: but he could definitely serve a valuable role this season, 874 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: play a little center, play a little guard. So I 875 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: think there's an opening there for another interior lineman there. 876 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 1: If you're drafting like he did with Corbett, if you're 877 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: drafting an interior lineman in the second round, you're you're 878 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: thinking that they could potentially start. I lump him in. 879 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 1: I hope I'm not stealing around for me, but I'm 880 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 1: also including centers in this category as well. JC Charters 881 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: on the last year of his contracts intout two thousand nineteen. 882 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,799 Speaker 1: He's played great for the Browns, played great this past 883 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: season while hurt. I would love to have him around 884 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: even longer. But if you're planning in the event that 885 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 1: he he goes somewhere else or you don't bring him back, 886 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: I would I would be fine getting a quality guard 887 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: slash center type at that position to build toward the future. 888 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: I can add center in with that. That was gonna 889 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: be my next one. But I totally agree. I think 890 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,240 Speaker 1: interior offensive lineman. I'm a little concerned with the depth 891 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: on the offensive lineman. You've got a couple of guys 892 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: in free agency that I think our good rotate, you know, 893 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: that could be uh could provide that depth. But I 894 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 1: definitely think that in the second round of pick forty nine, 895 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: anybody on that offensive line is in play if they 896 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,760 Speaker 1: if the best available is on the board. Yeah, alright, 897 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 1: we moved to defense. Defensive end yea or nay? Now 898 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: are you lumping them in with edge rushers? Are? They 899 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: are these different categories? So I had defensive end, a 900 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: defensive tackle, and I had a linebacker. But I don't 901 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 1: know if we want to go outside linebacker, inside line. 902 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna definitely say yea on this one because 903 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: I'm lumping in some edge guys because and in this 904 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: in this four three scheme, your defensive end is going 905 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 1: to be your edge guy. And I think that there 906 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 1: are some prime candidates that could be on the board 907 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 1: at that position. I think the biggest name, a name 908 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,959 Speaker 1: that's recognizable around here. Chase Winovich out of Michigan. Luke 909 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 1: Luke E. Stilling hasn't going forty five to the Falcons. 910 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 1: He might be someone you look at at forty nine 911 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: if he slips there. And then Jalen ferguson the edge 912 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: out of Louisiana Tech, he hasn't going fifty second to 913 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 1: the Steelers. That's also someone I would like to see. 914 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: I think you've got you added some depth of Olivier Vernon. 915 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 1: We're wondering what's where emmanuelg was gonna go. But you 916 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,240 Speaker 1: you also have a lot of depth of the position, 917 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: and you've got Chris Smith, you have Anthony Zete played 918 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 1: some good football for you last year. You've got a 919 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 1: lot of guys, but you're not in a position to 920 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 1: turn down a good pass rusher, especially if they're your 921 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: best player available there. I'm going to say nay because 922 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: I think that they're going to continue to go on 923 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 1: the inside and try to continue to bolster that, and 924 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: then we'll get into the other positions as well. I'm 925 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: gonna say nay for right now. But third round, I 926 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,280 Speaker 1: think it's totally in play. Fourth round, I think anything 927 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,279 Speaker 1: is in play after round two. Defensive tackle, I'm going 928 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: with you a on that one because there's a couple 929 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: of guys that make a lot of sense at that spot. 930 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: I think, not being biased being from Cleveland, but Draymond 931 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,320 Speaker 1: Jones makes a lot of sense for the Browns of 932 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 1: forty nine from Cleveland played Ohio State. They got it. 933 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,359 Speaker 1: They they've probably seen a ton of him. Uh uh 934 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: tash Laploy worked him out at the Ohio States Pro 935 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,720 Speaker 1: day today. I mean, it's one of those things where 936 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,360 Speaker 1: he take away the school in the city where he's from. 937 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: He still makes sense of the Browns at that spot 938 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: because you've got Sheldon Richardon, you've got Larry Ogan Job, 939 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 1: you've got Travon Coolie. But you're still looking to add 940 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 1: even more at that position. I mean we saw it 941 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,759 Speaker 1: last year. You thought you that Caleb Brantley was going 942 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 1: to be in your plans. Wasn't good enough in training 943 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 1: camp you moved on from Some of these guys just 944 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 1: don't don't pan out. So you've got to have a 945 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 1: lot of options there. And I think defensive tackle was 946 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,799 Speaker 1: an area where the acquisition of Sheldon Richardson isn't enough 947 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,239 Speaker 1: ago more, I would agree, and that's why I have 948 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,839 Speaker 1: it down as a yeah, you've still got you have 949 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,879 Speaker 1: to build up depth. And that's where you know, Luke 950 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,800 Speaker 1: Easterling said it, a defensive back, safety, linebacker. You're building 951 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 1: depth on that defense because, let's be honest, last year 952 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 1: you got lucky on the injury bug. Yeah, I didn't 953 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: really bite you a lot. I mean, if you suffered 954 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: a major injury, I'm not sure if you have the 955 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: depth to really at least keep that position afloat. So 956 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: I think defensive tackle is definitely yeah. What about linebacker. 957 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go nay at this spot because there aren't 958 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: any good ones that are that are available in the 959 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: second round because we're staying, we're assuming the Devin's Devin 960 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 1: White and Devin Bush will be off the board in the 961 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 1: the first round. I think Devin White, Luke has him 962 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,439 Speaker 1: at number four, so that that they're gone. And then 963 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,399 Speaker 1: you look at his mock draft in the second round, 964 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,359 Speaker 1: he has one linebacker in the entire second round being 965 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,799 Speaker 1: draft and that's at the very end. They believe it's 966 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: b and Cashman is a linebacker. And then he's got 967 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,839 Speaker 1: a bunch in the third round, so maybe there's some 968 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: value there in the third round. There just doesn't appear 969 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,719 Speaker 1: to be any value at line back. Blake Cashman not 970 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: a Minnesota sixty two to the Saints. That's it. They're 971 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,359 Speaker 1: just it doesn't seem like there's any value there. And 972 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,240 Speaker 1: I wonder if you know, they don't make up the Browns, 973 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,360 Speaker 1: don't make a move in Day one, but maybe a 974 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: package a couple of those fives and try to move 975 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 1: up late or into that third round on Friday and 976 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 1: take take a guy, Maybe take a linebacker that falls 977 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 1: into the third round, because clearly it looks like the 978 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,440 Speaker 1: linebacker rush could come again in that third round. The 979 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 1: next wave of guys. Yeah, there's just no one. I 980 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: want to say, yeah, because I think that's the biggest 981 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 1: I'm really concerned with the lack of death at linebacker 982 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,399 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, I am as well. And I think 983 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:54,720 Speaker 1: that the maybe the perceived inactivity is a ringing endorsement 984 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,279 Speaker 1: for Genard Avery. First off, I think that's something to 985 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: take into consideration. But with the way that he has 986 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,320 Speaker 1: this draft going out, he has essentially a full round 987 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 1: going without a linebacker because he has mac Oyl Wilson 988 00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,160 Speaker 1: at number thirty and the next linebacker going at sixty two. 989 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:15,239 Speaker 1: That's a big gap between between linebackers. I think if 990 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,359 Speaker 1: Mack Wilson is somehow still on the board at forty nine, 991 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 1: he might make sense of the Browns. I just don't 992 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,800 Speaker 1: see it. And I think that there's still a few 993 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 1: free agents out there, the biggest being Zach Brown out 994 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,240 Speaker 1: of the Redskins. Maybe he makes sense for the Browns, 995 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,239 Speaker 1: but yeah, I think it's a position where you're going 996 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: to address it, maybe with multiple picks. I just don't 997 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be the second round defensive back. Yeah, 998 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 1: I think that. Again, you can never have too many corners. 999 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,880 Speaker 1: I think there's a handful of good options in the 1000 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,720 Speaker 1: second round. One player I've seen mock to the Browns 1001 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:52,160 Speaker 1: Jamal Dean out of out of Auburn, UH, Trayvon Mullin 1002 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,520 Speaker 1: at a Clemson. Those are a couple of guys, Julian 1003 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,160 Speaker 1: Love out of Notre Dame. They're all around the area 1004 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,560 Speaker 1: around uh, consistently being mocked around the forty Iron area. 1005 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 1: I think that it make it could make a lot 1006 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 1: of sense of forty nine. Or were you surprised he 1007 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 1: had Rock Your Sin going lasting all the way to 1008 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,799 Speaker 1: pick number four? Night and Luke Easterling that is uh, yeah, 1009 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,920 Speaker 1: because it just doesn't match up with the rest of 1010 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 1: the group. Think so maybe he sees something that the 1011 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 1: others don't, because I've seen him slipping in the first 1012 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,600 Speaker 1: round in a lot of these drafts. I would love 1013 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,359 Speaker 1: to have he's a pure athlete. That yeah, it would 1014 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,919 Speaker 1: be a great get for for the Browns of forty nine. 1015 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,920 Speaker 1: I would be on board with it. Safety yea or 1016 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,080 Speaker 1: n uh, definitely yea. And I think there's a couple 1017 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,760 Speaker 1: of guys that make a lot of sense for the Browns. 1018 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,799 Speaker 1: UH at safety at that point in the draft. I 1019 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: think the biggest one that makes sense is Taylor rap 1020 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,760 Speaker 1: out of Washington could maybe truly feel that box safety 1021 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:48,000 Speaker 1: role that Jabrill Peppers played. UH. Deonte Thompson of Alabama 1022 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,440 Speaker 1: is another one to keep an eye on. UH Chauncey 1023 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,240 Speaker 1: Gardner Johnson out of Florida. Those are all second round safeties. 1024 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 1: And then potentially I know Luke e String is very 1025 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,560 Speaker 1: high on not your Osterley, but maybe he slips to 1026 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,759 Speaker 1: the bronze of forty nine. There's a bunch of good 1027 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 1: options there that could really line up and help them 1028 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,960 Speaker 1: rounds out. It looks more and more like those third, fourth, 1029 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 1: fifth round is where you're going to see the run 1030 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:15,719 Speaker 1: on safety's, linebackers, those type of positions, defensive backs. I 1031 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,319 Speaker 1: think you could see a run on them in the 1032 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,719 Speaker 1: second round and maybe force the Browns to go up 1033 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 1: a little higher than pick forty nine to get My 1034 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,960 Speaker 1: opinion might completely change with the Browns over the next 1035 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,319 Speaker 1: couple days. Out of veteran, I know the name Trey 1036 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,920 Speaker 1: Boston has been thrown around. You've heard earlier, Yeah, you've 1037 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys out there still that could 1038 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,960 Speaker 1: make this not a position you have to go reach 1039 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,279 Speaker 1: and get and I think there's always I mean, Derre 1040 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:41,880 Speaker 1: Kindred was a fourth round pick. He's played some good 1041 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,799 Speaker 1: football for the Browns. There's good players out there that 1042 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,759 Speaker 1: can that can help you out later in the track 1043 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 1: and total sidebar on that people forget. Derrick Kindred has 1044 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,360 Speaker 1: been a pretty good football player here, especially when you 1045 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,799 Speaker 1: don't ask him to do much coverage like I think 1046 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 1: that's where he's at his strongest is when he when 1047 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,880 Speaker 1: he's playing that true traditional run stop box safety and 1048 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,319 Speaker 1: if he if that's the role that they have, Uh, 1049 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,080 Speaker 1: he's very qualified to play that. And there was there 1050 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,880 Speaker 1: was a point in time where he was getting just 1051 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,680 Speaker 1: about his mace snaps as Jabrill Peppers was in that defense. Yeah, 1052 00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,839 Speaker 1: I definitely think that he is. He's logged some good 1053 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,759 Speaker 1: minutes and played under the radar and a lot of 1054 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,360 Speaker 1: people maybe not giving him the credit that that he deserves. 1055 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:25,680 Speaker 1: Final Yeah or nay, kicker, I don't. I'm gonna go nay, 1056 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,919 Speaker 1: and it's it's I'll throw out just a philosophical question here. 1057 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,719 Speaker 1: The Browns, we we all think they should upgrade a 1058 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,560 Speaker 1: kicker or at least provide some legit competition for Greg 1059 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,680 Speaker 1: Joseph here in the in the coming months. But drafting 1060 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,040 Speaker 1: a kicker is really dangerous in it because if you 1061 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,480 Speaker 1: look back, I think I did this back when the 1062 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,239 Speaker 1: Browns moved on from zanns Alice, there was a lot 1063 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,879 Speaker 1: of I think the last something like fifteen kickers who 1064 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,960 Speaker 1: were drafted, only one of them was still with their 1065 00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:02,120 Speaker 1: current team that drafted them. I think that, yeah, you're 1066 00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,279 Speaker 1: getting maybe the best kicker of using a draft pick 1067 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,879 Speaker 1: on him, but it almost changes how you evaluate them 1068 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,240 Speaker 1: once they're with your team and you end up holding 1069 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,520 Speaker 1: onto them, maybe sometimes longer then you should. Maybe they 1070 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,399 Speaker 1: end up winning tiebreaker situations in competitions because they were 1071 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,600 Speaker 1: the draft pick. I think Greg Joseph was the example 1072 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,200 Speaker 1: that he lost what was essentially a coin flip evaluation 1073 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,280 Speaker 1: in camp at the Dolphins because he was the undrafted 1074 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,280 Speaker 1: guy and they used a seven dround pick on another guy. Earlier, 1075 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,640 Speaker 1: the Browns drafted Dingen z Alice. Cody Parkey arguably had 1076 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,040 Speaker 1: the better camp, and Cody's obviously fallen on some hard 1077 00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,160 Speaker 1: times now, but he he had some some good kicks 1078 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,160 Speaker 1: and and had a better stretch of than dangen z 1079 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,440 Speaker 1: Alice did afterward. It's just an it's it puts you 1080 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,319 Speaker 1: in a thorny situation when you draft a kicker and 1081 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,799 Speaker 1: it's a it's almost like a catch twenty two because 1082 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 1: then if you don't draft one, you're going after an 1083 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,560 Speaker 1: undrafted one, and he's probably not as good as the 1084 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,960 Speaker 1: guys who got drafted. It's tough, and I think that 1085 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,799 Speaker 1: unless you see it. And then even when you think 1086 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,239 Speaker 1: you have a generational kicker, the Buccaneers traded up in 1087 00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,759 Speaker 1: the second round to take Roberto or Guayo and he's 1088 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,799 Speaker 1: a head case. He can't kick, and then they I mean, 1089 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 1: there was a terrible pick to begin with, and then 1090 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,719 Speaker 1: it became an all time, all time terrible pick. It's 1091 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,960 Speaker 1: it's it's tough. I mean, the kickers are are weird, 1092 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,360 Speaker 1: and there's only maybe five of them in the league 1093 00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,720 Speaker 1: that you trust enough to weather a tough spell without 1094 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,040 Speaker 1: moving on from it's just a weird. It's a weird. 1095 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,319 Speaker 1: I don't think you need to waste a draft pick. Yeah, 1096 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,920 Speaker 1: I think you only have so many positions that you 1097 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,160 Speaker 1: have to draft, and there's positions that you know this 1098 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,640 Speaker 1: this team seven eight and one. There's still some holes 1099 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,680 Speaker 1: here and there's still some things that need to be 1100 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:49,120 Speaker 1: filled and focus on that. And I know that we 1101 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 1: make a lot out of the kicking game and special 1102 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,239 Speaker 1: teams and they need to be better and they're going 1103 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,800 Speaker 1: to be better with with a new position coach, obviously, 1104 00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:01,000 Speaker 1: But I just think that ring in a couple of guys, 1105 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,399 Speaker 1: bring in a couple of guys, Let's have a three 1106 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,600 Speaker 1: or four man competition kicking wise, and let's see made 1107 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:11,040 Speaker 1: the best kicker win. You know what, Let's see how 1108 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,280 Speaker 1: he reacts, Greg Joseph, that is to to actual pressure 1109 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,759 Speaker 1: and a competition. So I'm in agreement with you, Big 1110 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,239 Speaker 1: Nay on that grips episode six in the Boks on 1111 00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,399 Speaker 1: the draft can't get here soon enough because I said, 1112 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,440 Speaker 1: it's getting tough, but we're digging deep each and every week. Uh. 1113 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,759 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a different time in Cleveland with 1114 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,680 Speaker 1: the way that everything is unfolded here. It's different, but 1115 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 1: different can be good. And this is this is a 1116 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,640 Speaker 1: good problem that we're having right now. And you know, 1117 00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,120 Speaker 1: debating whether or not we're gonna need to be here 1118 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,040 Speaker 1: all night on Thursday night, knowing that Friday night is 1119 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,520 Speaker 1: going to be like our first round night, like our 1120 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,400 Speaker 1: Thursday night, and Saturday could be real interesting. I just 1121 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:54,879 Speaker 1: need to know which night I have to wear a suit, 1122 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,880 Speaker 1: because in the past it was Thursday. Do I have 1123 00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,880 Speaker 1: to wear a suit Friday? Now? That's that's the question, 1124 00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,000 Speaker 1: so tremendous question. There are people way above me that 1125 00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,920 Speaker 1: make a lot more money. That'll answer. I will try 1126 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,120 Speaker 1: to get out of wearing anything respectable whatsoever because we're 1127 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,759 Speaker 1: cooped up in a room all all night. So we 1128 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,840 Speaker 1: want to thank Luke Easterling for all of his time, 1129 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,759 Speaker 1: great draft expert from the Draft Wire at USA Today. 1130 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,560 Speaker 1: Follow on Twitter at Luke Easterling or at the Draft Wire. 1131 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,800 Speaker 1: Check out his latest four round mock draft for Luke Easterling. 1132 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,279 Speaker 1: For Andrew Gribble, I'm Jason Gibbs. If you missed any 1133 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,360 Speaker 1: of our other episodes, you can go on to Cleveland 1134 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,799 Speaker 1: Browns dot com or wherever you get your podcast download 1135 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,360 Speaker 1: all of the episodes. 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