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Speaker 2: Welcome in What's Driving the Great? Episode two twenty five
Speaker 2: ton to Do Today? Fun Show, Great night in the
Speaker 2: NBA last night, the first time in a while, Producer
Speaker 2: Daniel didn't have any you know, quippy NBA comments for
Speaker 2: me because his Nuggets got blasted by the Suns. By
Speaker 2: the way, that kind of annoyed me. I would like
Speaker 2: to I would have liked the Nuggets actually show up
Speaker 2: last night, beat the Suns, help the Lakers move out
Speaker 2: of that ninth spot. We'll get to all of that.
Speaker 2: Draymond Green could barely be bothered to show up for
Speaker 2: work all of that demands here wearing new shades. I
Speaker 2: liked the ones last time. More, I'm gonna send you
Speaker 2: a pair of nice shades. Now you're gonna lose them,
Speaker 2: which is unfortunate, but I'm gonna send them to you anyway.
Speaker 2: And I don't say that demonse is an indictment on you.
Speaker 2: It's just because sunglasses are like the number one thing
Speaker 2: people lose, which is why people tend not to want
Speaker 2: to spend a lot of money on them. But I'll
Speaker 2: send you some nice shades. I like the look. I
Speaker 2: just think the white framestone shar as good as the
Speaker 2: ones last week.
Speaker 3: Howr And I'm pretty good.
Speaker 4: I think I think I'll be able to hold on
Speaker 4: to them, though, Well we can take out.
Speaker 2: If I send you some nice ones, you'll hold on
Speaker 2: to them, Okay, all right, good, So I'll send you
Speaker 2: some nice ones, or I'll just give them to you
Speaker 2: in person when I see you in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: All right, Here's what missed the cut for today's show,
Speaker 2: Jade and Daniel's elbow. Everyone's freaking out because everyone uses
Speaker 2: the internet to see fake memes and stupid prank videos,
Speaker 2: and no one could take three seconds to Google a
Speaker 2: Bursa sack. Like guys, Yes, the elbow looks funny. No,
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with him. He does. It's just fluid
Speaker 2: at the bottom of his arm. It's all it is.
Speaker 2: You know how I figured that out? I googled it,
Speaker 2: good old let me see which one I went to yesterday.
Speaker 2: Com It did look photoshot. But then you're just like, hey,
Speaker 2: why would someone have that on the bottom of their arm,
Speaker 2: And the answer is it's a bursa sack. It happens
Speaker 2: to athletes. The I am fortunate that I am. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be one of the you know, in thirty years,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be one of the only people left that
Speaker 2: remembers how people what the Internet was created for, to
Speaker 2: find actual, accurate knowledge and information rather than nonsense conspiracy theories.
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh says he's living in an RV and classic
Speaker 2: category one by me instantly correct. The NCAA president heard
Speaker 2: our brilliant deposition on gambling on Tuesday. It was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: player props, we maybe need to take another look at those.
Speaker 2: So all of that missed. The cut. Demons were starting
Speaker 2: last night. I was locked into the NBA last night
Speaker 2: from about seven thirty Eastern until almost one in the morning.
Speaker 2: I was the league pass was popping last night, but
Speaker 2: I started at seven point thirty, which means I started
Speaker 2: about ten minutes after the early games tipped, which means
Speaker 2: I missed the entirety of Draymond Green's performance yesterday.
Speaker 4: Explained to the audience, all Right, yeah, so, on a
Speaker 4: must game win for the Warriors, Traymond Green got ejected
Speaker 4: less than five minutes into the game.
Speaker 3: Steph Curry seemed.
Speaker 4: To be visibly distraught about this, but thanks his late
Speaker 4: game heroics, the Warriors still got the win.
Speaker 3: All right, So what's the.
Speaker 4: Story here with Draymond? Or not what's the story here?
Speaker 4: But yeah, what's the story here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the story with Draymond? I mean, this was
Speaker 2: a game the Warriors had to have, right, playing a
Speaker 2: magic team that makes everyone experience forty eight minutes of
Speaker 2: hell on the offensive end because of how great they
Speaker 2: are defensively, a magic team that has been better than
Speaker 2: Golden State, and Steph late game heroics is the right
Speaker 2: way to put it, because he started four for sixteen
Speaker 2: but then hit two huge made two huge plays late.
Speaker 2: They end up getting the win despite Draymond's nonsense, and
Speaker 2: we are now to a place where the Warriors don't
Speaker 2: defend him. The Warriors aren't like, oh, it's unfair. And
Speaker 2: if you didn't watch what happened last night, We're three
Speaker 2: minutes into a game, a foul is called on someone
Speaker 2: else and Draymond freaks out, get a technical and then
Speaker 2: does the old dramon. So Draymond has now crossed the
Speaker 2: rubicon in this regard. Not that long ago, Draymond getting
Speaker 2: an early technical was kind of the best thing that
Speaker 2: could happen to the Warriors because refs were afraid to
Speaker 2: throw him out. He then could act like a total
Speaker 2: unhinged lunatic intimidate. The refs scream at him do all
Speaker 2: these things at without risk of getting another technical because
Speaker 2: they didn't want to throw them out. I think around
Speaker 2: the time, I don't know if it was the elbow
Speaker 2: to Nurkic or the choke of go Bear or what
Speaker 2: win it was. But sometime this year that has changed
Speaker 2: to where now folks are no longer afraid to throw
Speaker 2: Draymond out and he gets the first technical, the Warriors
Speaker 2: call time out. The entire team is trying to get
Speaker 2: Draymond to stop the referee is walking away, Draymond won't stop,
Speaker 2: and then he it could have been over, and he
Speaker 2: calls him the P word, the A word, and then
Speaker 2: either the B word or the N word. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure which, but in quick succession, bleep, bleep, bleep, and
Speaker 2: he's and the ref throws him out and Draymond didn't
Speaker 2: even react. It's like he knew it. Okay, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: getting thrown out here three minutes into a must win
Speaker 2: game and Steph. The reason this is such a story
Speaker 2: is Steph appeared to be brought to tears, and that
Speaker 2: is I mean, Kerr like consoled him, put his hand
Speaker 2: on his back, and that is multi layered. I think
Speaker 2: part of it is God dog it, we need this
Speaker 2: game and now we're without our second most important player.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's enough to bring Steph to tears.
Speaker 2: I think that it was bigger picture that Steph is
Speaker 2: realizing this is well, that's yeah, that's part of it.
Speaker 2: Here's another part of it. That's the like empathetic piece
Speaker 2: of it. And I don't say this with any judgment
Speaker 2: that's quote selfish, not in a negative way. Piece of
Speaker 2: it is this is just what the rest of my
Speaker 2: career is going to be like Clay. My guy is
Speaker 2: either going to be here as a far less version
Speaker 2: of himself, or he's going to be gone. Draymond, my
Speaker 2: other guy, has lost the thread entirely and is has
Speaker 2: less control over his emotions than any player in modern
Speaker 2: NBA history. And this is how my career is going
Speaker 2: to go. I'm thirty six years old. I am Whether
Speaker 2: Steph will admit this or not, he knows he is
Speaker 2: starting for the first time to show some real signs
Speaker 2: of agent. He's still a very good player. He is
Speaker 2: still a top ten player, but he's far closer to
Speaker 2: ten than number one. He no longer can just by
Speaker 2: the power of his own gravity and play Harriet team
Speaker 2: to contention, might not be able to even carry the
Speaker 2: team to the postseason. I mean, steps missed less than
Speaker 2: a half a dozen games and the Warriors are one
Speaker 2: game up on the eleven seed Rockets. And he's looking
Speaker 2: at it and saying, this is what the rest of
Speaker 2: my career is going to be. Mediocre teams, young players
Speaker 2: that aren't yet ready to win. My wingman Clay as
Speaker 2: a compromised version of himself through.
Speaker 3: Has he not.
Speaker 2: No Clay's played better lately, and he was coming off
Speaker 2: the bench. Now he's not, but he is. It is
Speaker 2: to me in Stone now that Klay Thompson will never
Speaker 2: be a great player again. That the you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? The Klay Thompson was a great player and
Speaker 2: the injuries made him. Now now he vacillates but between
Speaker 2: a average player to pretty good. But he's never like
Speaker 2: he might have a great night. But so my wingman
Speaker 2: is not the same guy, and my other wingman is
Speaker 2: actively working against us. And so this is Steph's just
Speaker 2: staring at his basketball mortality with no reinforcements. And Steph
Speaker 2: now is going to I it is a weird spot, Demons.
Speaker 2: But Steph is now going to be forced to make
Speaker 2: a decision, and that decision he could be forced like
Speaker 2: it comes starting this offseason. And that is what is.
Speaker 2: And I, by the way, I want to say this
Speaker 2: on the front end, I would not judge him at
Speaker 2: all for either decision here. He has obviously more than
Speaker 2: earned the right to do whatever he wants. He is
Speaker 2: as Steve as Steph. As Steve Kerr put it, he
Speaker 2: has carried the weight of the franchise on his shoulder
Speaker 2: shoulders for fifteen years, but he now thanks to some
Speaker 2: Warriors miss draft picks, thanks to Clay's injuries, and thanks
Speaker 2: to Draymond's total unpredictability, volatility, and regression as a player.
Speaker 2: Steph staying with the Warriors and competing for anything close
Speaker 2: to a championship or deep playoff run, those two things
Speaker 2: are mutually exclusive. Say that is it is no different
Speaker 2: than if I were to say I want to retire
Speaker 2: in my hometown of Kansas City and live on the ocean.
Speaker 2: Gotta choose. Impossible to do both, and so Steph Curry
Speaker 2: now thanks to a lot of factors. But I would
Speaker 2: argue the biggest of which is Draymond's total inability to
Speaker 2: control his emotions and the Warriors decision to reward him
Speaker 2: with a hundred million dollar extension. Right, Steph now has
Speaker 2: to choose. Go ahead.
Speaker 4: I get, I get it's not bawling out over there,
Speaker 4: uh in Washington. But do you think the Warriors still
Speaker 4: made the right move keeping Draymond green and getting rid
Speaker 4: of Jordan Poole.
Speaker 3: I think the Jordan Poole with.
Speaker 4: The Warriors, there was something there before, and I think
Speaker 4: it was because he was with the Warriors.
Speaker 3: I think that could have been unlocked, and he probably not.
Speaker 2: I don't think I listen, I don't think Jordan Poole
Speaker 2: would be a day frinch maker for this Warriors team. Uh.
Speaker 2: But it's the you. You could have. You could have
Speaker 2: made the decision do a hard reboot on everything. You
Speaker 2: could have made the decision to try to reboot on
Speaker 2: the fly around Steph, and they they made another decision.
Speaker 2: And so now Steph Curry has to choose what is
Speaker 2: most important to me, retiring a Warrior or competing for
Speaker 2: championships and or even for it, even if it's like,
Speaker 2: all right, I don't even I've got four rings, I've
Speaker 2: been to six finals, I've won two MVPs, I got
Speaker 2: my finals MVP. I don't have to compete for a championship.
Speaker 2: It'd be one thing if like, okay, the Warriors were
Speaker 2: capped out at the second round of the playoff, that
Speaker 2: they are gonna fight for their lives to make the
Speaker 2: play in. They are not one of the fifteen best
Speaker 2: teams in a thirty team league, and a lot of
Speaker 2: people have to wear that. But everyone else here's I
Speaker 2: guess my last piece of it. Everyone else is at
Speaker 2: least doing their best. The front off has made some mistakes,
Speaker 2: but they're doing their best. Klay Thompson wants to be
Speaker 2: great again more than anything in the world. His body
Speaker 2: won't allow him, but he's doing his best. Draymond Green
Speaker 2: has the easiest job of everybody, just don't be an asshole,
Speaker 2: and he can't do it, and so it's.
Speaker 3: And it's crazy.
Speaker 2: Put his guy Steph Curry and seeing that, Seeing that, Draymond,
Speaker 2: seeing that reaction from Steph Curry, I feel like she
Speaker 2: should hit a switch, Like I think if you go ahead,
Speaker 2: you know how I know it didn't. Did you see
Speaker 2: after the game what happened? So Steph, Steph hits the
Speaker 2: three and then does a very emphatic Night Night that
Speaker 2: It felt weird that he was doing it as long
Speaker 2: as he did it and as angrily as he did
Speaker 2: to Orlando. I understand Orlando is good this year, but
Speaker 2: it's like, give me a like. Steph doesn't typically do
Speaker 2: that in a regular season game against the Magic, right,
Speaker 2: Like the night Night celebration is kind of reserved for
Speaker 2: bigger moments. Right, he did that, then he went over
Speaker 2: to the bench and angrily kicked his chair in the tunnel.
Speaker 2: Draymond is waiting for him smiling doing the night night
Speaker 2: like we're good buddy, good job. That is not the
Speaker 2: disposition of someone that realizes the gravity of their actions. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I feel for Steph. I do know that the
Speaker 2: two iconic guys of this era are obviously the two
Speaker 2: most iconic, Lebron and Steph. I know. I'll tell you
Speaker 2: this much right now. Lebron wouldn't be waiting around now
Speaker 2: and again, that's not a value judgment, but Lebron would
Speaker 2: not be like, Okay, yeah, so I just can't compete
Speaker 2: for titles for the next two years, so be it
Speaker 2: like and again on his team, Well, you know, that's
Speaker 2: very interesting. They're very close friends. Uh, don't put this
Speaker 2: part on social media if people are watching, and they
Speaker 2: can do it like, I haven't talked about this publicly
Speaker 2: at all. Lebron, to his credit, and I'm probably hurting
Speaker 2: it here, attempted. The producers don't even know this. You're
Speaker 2: the only one that knows this. Lebron, to his credit.
Speaker 2: A tempted to personally reconcile Draymond in my relationship, trying
Speaker 2: to kind of bring people together, and he loves Draymond
Speaker 2: and a lot of a lot of folks love Draymond
Speaker 2: Green the person, but Draymond on the court, his lack
Speaker 2: of impulse control is historic, and this story you can
Speaker 2: there is a I understand that the Warriors don't become
Speaker 2: the Warriors without Draymond Green. There's no question about that.
Speaker 2: He is an all time legendary player. But a lot
Speaker 2: of people believe they would have won the championship in
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen if he doesn't hit Lebron in the groin
Speaker 2: and get suspended. I don't believe that a lot of
Speaker 2: people do. I think everyone agrees their title defense would
Speaker 2: have gone differently had he not punched Jordan Poole right
Speaker 2: before the season started. And everyone must acknowledge this year
Speaker 2: would have gone differently if he wasn't suspended for a
Speaker 2: quarter of the season due to on court violent X
Speaker 2: that after which when he said, I'm I'm changed, I'm this,
Speaker 2: I'm that he now last night's getting thrown out of
Speaker 2: a game three minutes in? All right? Next?
Speaker 4: But quick, where do you put Draymond Green up against
Speaker 4: ron our tests Like as far as crazy Hypeness, I'm
Speaker 4: not saying met a world peace because he was Rona
Speaker 4: Tessa when those things were going on.
Speaker 2: So Ron was. It's an interesting question. Ron to me,
Speaker 2: was more dangerous. The stuff Ron did could could really
Speaker 2: really hurt people. And I know Draymond's little spinning backfist
Speaker 2: into Nurkics could have really hurt him. But Draymond's stuff
Speaker 2: is dirty but not dangerous typically, right, even the choke
Speaker 2: of Gobert wasn't dangerous. The the flailing his legs up
Speaker 2: aren't dangerous. But the two most dangerous things Draymond has
Speaker 2: done have happened in the last year. The stomp on
Speaker 2: some bonus's chest and the spinning backfist into nirk Those
Speaker 2: are those are dangerous. But Ron, I mean, Ron had
Speaker 2: some of the most vicious elbows you've ever seen. Ron
Speaker 2: also famously, you know, kind of incited a riot, you so,
Speaker 2: But but Ron didn't have as much beef with the
Speaker 2: officials as Draymond does. So it's like a different there.
Speaker 2: It's it's day, right, Draymond's closer to Rodman in that regard.
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on.
Speaker 4: All right, So Monday, Anthony Davis went off carrying the
Speaker 4: Lakers to the win with that end of the game
Speaker 4: block in double overtime. With Davis on the bench last
Speaker 4: night Lebron had a triple double, he got a dub.
Speaker 4: So they've had very healthy seasons from their star players.
Speaker 4: So would anything short of a finals appearance be a
Speaker 4: waste of a season time sticking Lebron.
Speaker 2: So here's the thing. I I don't think that you
Speaker 2: judge the Lakers as finals appearance or bust because they're
Speaker 2: not the best team and they don't have the best player.
Speaker 2: If you're the best team, Boston right now is claimed
Speaker 2: to be the best team. If they don't make the finals,
Speaker 2: it's a massive disappointment. The Nuggets have the best player.
Speaker 2: If they don't make the finals, it's a massive disappointment.
Speaker 2: You can say if you want ad Milwaukee to that list,
Speaker 2: because Milwaukee has an argument that they have the best
Speaker 2: player and they made massive moves off season. If they
Speaker 2: don't make the finals, it's a massive disappointment. Everyone else
Speaker 2: is graded on a different scale, which is it depends
Speaker 2: on how it looks and how it goes, and so
Speaker 2: I don't I thought last year was excellent. I thought
Speaker 2: the Lakers last year went as far as they could
Speaker 2: have gone. Maybe they could have gone one or two
Speaker 2: games against Denver further, but they weren't beating Denver last year.
Speaker 2: They just weren't and you have now that further verified
Speaker 2: by their performance against Denver this year. So no, I
Speaker 2: think Lebron and the Laker I think Ad being healthy.
Speaker 2: I think Lebron having another phenomenal season. As the oldest
Speaker 2: guy in the league. Lebron now has scored more points
Speaker 2: in year twenty one than the rest of NBA history
Speaker 2: put together. I think all and the Lakers are if
Speaker 2: you if you were to say the Lakers are the
Speaker 2: second best team in the Western Conference, you could make
Speaker 2: that argument. You absolutely could. What they've been after the
Speaker 2: first fifty games, they're like seventeen and seven there that
Speaker 2: is that right? Seven to sixteen and seven something like that, regardless,
Speaker 2: like there's there's real argument to be made. This is
Speaker 2: a very good team having you know that after some
Speaker 2: fits and starts and dealing with some rotational injuries, is
Speaker 2: getting better. I this I have now said this specific
Speaker 2: take on multiple platforms. I'm gonna say it again here.
Speaker 2: And I'm curious what producer Daniel. I don't know if
Speaker 2: we can get producer Daniel or resident Nuggets fan his
Speaker 2: mic up or him on the air. I don't know
Speaker 2: if that's possible. I should have asked them beforehand. Daniel.
Speaker 2: Can the audience hear you? Okay? Yeah, I can hear you. Good,
Speaker 2: here's my question. Okay, so the audience maybe can't hear you, Daniel,
Speaker 2: So don't worry about that. This is I should have
Speaker 2: I should have prepped this earlier. Uh So, I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna I'm just going to uh give my take on this,
Speaker 2: and we'll see how Daniel feels about it. Oh, the
Speaker 2: audience can hear you? All right? Great? If I were
Speaker 2: to tell you the Lakers and Nuggets are guaranteed to
Speaker 2: play in the postseason, as a Nuggets fan, what round
Speaker 2: do you want that to happen in? The Lakers and
Speaker 2: Nuggets are definitely gonna play, and let's just assume neither
Speaker 2: team suffers a significant injury. I understand that's not a
Speaker 2: fair assumption, but let's just for the sake of this
Speaker 2: thought exercise, the Lakers and Nuggets are gonna play. What
Speaker 2: round do you want it to happen?
Speaker 4: Oh, the later the better, because if Ady and or
Speaker 4: Lebron are tired at the end of the series, I'll
Speaker 4: take that versus round one with there's extra rest.
Speaker 2: Okay, So, that's that I think is the exact correct take.
Speaker 2: And so here is thank you, Daniel, and I can
Speaker 2: I can hear you still the Here's why I bring
Speaker 2: that up. The Nuggets are better than the Lakers, and
Speaker 2: if the Nuggets were to play the Lakers in a series,
Speaker 2: they would be the heavy favor I said on Cowherd's pod.
Speaker 2: And then one of those absolutely worthless basketball aggregation Twitter
Speaker 2: accounts took seven words I said on the pod, put
Speaker 2: it out there, and now it's just it's one of
Speaker 2: those viral sensations that is a literal quote, but it's
Speaker 2: the same account demands that when we were talking on
Speaker 2: this show about uh going, when I said to you
Speaker 2: exactly right when I said to you, guess the three
Speaker 2: teams I would like Lebron to go to. This is
Speaker 2: a little quick story and you know, getting tricked on
Speaker 2: the internet, I said on this pod. And then we'll
Speaker 2: get back to the Lakers, Nuggets, thck to Demonse, there's
Speaker 2: three teams I want Lebron, I personally would like to
Speaker 2: see Lebron go to. And we said like the Calves,
Speaker 2: we said the Sixers, And then I said, Demonse, can
Speaker 2: you guess the next team? And demand said the Heat,
Speaker 2: and I said, quote exactly, the Heat are absolutely the
Speaker 2: next team. And these these these worthless Twitter accounts tweeted
Speaker 2: out the quote the Heater the next team nick right
Speaker 2: on Lebron James, which is technically accurate and wildly misle
Speaker 2: right because I was saying the next team on my
Speaker 2: wish list, and they presented it as if I were
Speaker 2: reporting that Lebron's next team is gonna be Miami. So
Speaker 2: this same account took the quote of me saying the
Speaker 2: Lakers should want Denver and round one contextless, and folks
Speaker 2: understandably are like, oh my god, this this this fool yeah,
Speaker 2: this guy. When my take on this to me is
Speaker 2: to me very logical and common sense. If we operate
Speaker 2: under the assumption that the Lakers, in order to make
Speaker 2: the Finals are going to have to beat the Nuggets,
Speaker 2: the round they have the best chance of beating them
Speaker 2: is round one. The games are not every other day,
Speaker 2: you have more rest and Lebron and they will be
Speaker 2: the freshest they will be at any point in the postseason.
Speaker 2: So if you're the question is, if you're a Laker fan,
Speaker 2: would you rather what is more valuable to you? A
Speaker 2: greater chance at a deep playoff run with a lower
Speaker 2: chance of making the finals, or a greater chance of
Speaker 2: being bounced in round one with a greater chance of
Speaker 2: making the finals. Because I think that if they play
Speaker 2: the Nuggets in round one, they probably lose. But I
Speaker 2: also think the only round they would have a realistic
Speaker 2: chance of beating the Nuggets is round one. And if
Speaker 2: you were to get past the Nuggets in round one,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you now you can start talking
Speaker 2: thinking big things because Lebron can't play forty four minutes
Speaker 2: every night every other day, but he might be able
Speaker 2: to in round one, where you have two days sometimes
Speaker 2: three days between games. Round two and round three, you're
Speaker 2: every other day. Furthermore, if the Nuggets don't play the
Speaker 2: Lakers in round one, they're probably playing the Rockets or
Speaker 2: the Warriors or somebody that they will just wash out.
Speaker 2: And so in that scenario, the Nuggets have swept a team,
Speaker 2: the Lakers are in a seven game war, and then
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, you gotta face them like
Speaker 2: none of those things which should be attractive for the Lakers. Now,
Speaker 2: there's no real way to game it out, because the
Speaker 2: Nuggets right now could be the one, the two or
Speaker 2: the three seed, and so in my opinion, the ideal
Speaker 2: realistic scenario for the Lakers is this move up one
Speaker 2: line in the standings to the eight seed when play
Speaker 2: in game number one, become the seventh seed, and then
Speaker 2: get the nug and have the Nuggets be the two
Speaker 2: seed and take your chances. Now you again, you that
Speaker 2: probably means the Lakers season is over after five games
Speaker 2: of Round one. But if the goal is a make
Speaker 2: give yourself the best chance to win a title, I
Speaker 2: don't think you have. I think your chance of beating
Speaker 2: the Nuggets in the conference finals is half of whatever
Speaker 2: your chance of beating them in round one is. All right, next?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 4: So, uh, San Francisco seems like they're ready to go
Speaker 4: all in on Rock Party. Yes, as GM Jed York said,
Speaker 4: it's a good problem when your quarterback is one of
Speaker 4: the highest paid guys on your team and in the league.
Speaker 4: That statement might make a lot of sense for quarterbacks
Speaker 4: like Justin Herbert or Patrick Holmes. Do you think that
Speaker 4: makes sense for Rock Party? Are they going down the road?
Speaker 2: Well? A couple of things, And on clarification, Jed York
Speaker 2: is closer to team owner than GM. John Lynch is
Speaker 2: really the GM. I know it's listed as GM. I
Speaker 2: should have fixed that. Jed York is the CEO and
Speaker 2: basically the owner of the team saying this, it also
Speaker 2: should be noted. But per the CBA, they're not allowed
Speaker 2: to pay Party this year, so they have to wait
Speaker 2: another year, and Jed York can say whatever he wants.
Speaker 2: I guarantee you the Niners are not one hundred percent
Speaker 2: certain they're paying Brock Party. Yet there's not and we'll
Speaker 2: see how this year goes. My guess is that after
Speaker 2: this year they find a reason to wait another year
Speaker 2: and see they've got him for the next two years
Speaker 2: at a million bucks and they can use the franchise tag.
Speaker 2: This guy's got no leverage, and deep down, when he's
Speaker 2: being honest, Kyle Shanahan knows what everyone knows that the
Speaker 2: moment Brock Party where to go from one million fifty
Speaker 2: million dollars and you have to pluck away a lot
Speaker 2: of those weapons and that roster he is not going
Speaker 2: to be able to carry you. And I think Ile
Speaker 2: Shannan's a great coach and a brilliant offensive mind. And
Speaker 2: I said this about Tua and Mike McDaniel, and I
Speaker 2: will say it about shanahan and Purty. I grade McDaniel
Speaker 2: and Shanahan on a curve of look at what they're
Speaker 2: doing despite the limitations forced upon them at quarterback. If
Speaker 2: either one of those guys sign off on that quarterback
Speaker 2: becoming one of the highest paid quarterbacks in football, that
Speaker 2: curve goes away, goes away entirely, and you are now listen.
Speaker 2: You are judged as if you have a great quarterback
Speaker 2: because you paid him as if you were a great quarterback.
Speaker 2: Speaking of great quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 4: An interesting, interesting debate ignited online yesterday. If a hypothetical
Speaker 4: draft allowed you to choose between Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 4: or Andrew Luck coming out of college, who would you pick?
Speaker 4: For those watching on YouTube or showing a tweet?
Speaker 2: But so this is just based purely on their pro profile, right,
Speaker 2: Like this is based on pedigree. If they were all
Speaker 2: fresh out of college in the same draft, I would
Speaker 2: have it. I me, personally, I would go Caleb, Trevor Luck.
Speaker 2: In reality, it would go Luck, Caleb Trevor, I think
Speaker 2: the the I think Trevor for me personally, Yeah, that
Speaker 2: would be my personal what I thought of them coming
Speaker 2: out of school, Caleb than Trevor, than Luck. What the
Speaker 2: general consensus would have been as far as like the
Speaker 2: what scouts would have told you, it's Luck than Caleb
Speaker 2: than Trevor. And this is the difference between pedigree, profile,
Speaker 2: how what type of prospect you are and what type
Speaker 2: of pro you are? The what? And I also think
Speaker 2: era kind of matters even within this small decade long sample,
Speaker 2: Caleb is more valuable today than he would have been
Speaker 2: a decade ago, because today teams are more open to
Speaker 2: the mobilerick, you know, quarterbacks that cannot exactly right, quarterbacks
Speaker 2: that can operate out of structure. But Luck was considered
Speaker 2: the best prospects since Lway, and Luck is still considered
Speaker 2: the best prospects since Lway. They Trevor was considered the
Speaker 2: best prospects since Luck. Caleb is considered the best prospects
Speaker 2: since Luck a better prospect than Trevor. All right, quick break,
Speaker 2: come back talk a little Caitlin Clark, and then some
Speaker 2: NFL over unders do that next, What's right? All right,
Speaker 2: welcome back in episode two twenty five, What's right in
Speaker 2: the right Before we get to the NFL win totals.
Speaker 2: Demonte let's talk to Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Yeah, So Kaitlin Clark is a bigger lock
Speaker 4: to go number one in the w NBA than Caleb
Speaker 4: is in the NFL.
Speaker 3: So the INDIANAFA fever.
Speaker 2: Equal locks. That's that's incorrect, equal locks, but go ahead equal.
Speaker 3: They were just saying, JJ CA, I haven't heard any.
Speaker 2: Time nobody, hold on who said that? Hold on pause?
Speaker 2: Who said JJ McCartney might go first over Caleb? Nobody
Speaker 2: said expected him he might go second. No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaum maybe said that he should. But the Bears
Speaker 2: drafting Caleb number one is minus four thousand, I think.
Speaker 2: But go ahead, just keep going.
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 4: So yeah, ice Cube seemed to confirm that he offered
Speaker 4: he offered Kaylin Clark for his three on three Basketball
Speaker 4: League five million dollars to join the league over the summer.
Speaker 3: What would you do if you were in Kayln Clark's shoes?
Speaker 2: Okay, this is where I like ice Cube a lot.
Speaker 2: Ice Cube's son oddly really doesn't like me. Oh Shay
Speaker 2: Jackson Junior, Yeah, well he's uh, he's an actor. He
Speaker 2: was in that what was a great heist movie? Uh, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was the He was in an awesome movie. I
Speaker 2: wish I could oh Den of Thieves. He's been in
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff. He obviously was in Straight out
Speaker 2: of Compton, but he was in Den of Thieves, which
Speaker 2: is a great movie. And I'm not trying to disrespect
Speaker 2: ice Cube. Put me down as not believing this. Put
Speaker 2: put me down as if the If the story is
Speaker 2: that Caitlin Clark has the opportunity to join the Big
Speaker 2: Three and get a guaranteed five million dollars, If that
Speaker 2: is the story, I do not believe that to be accurate.
Speaker 4: I do not believe you think she should have obviously
Speaker 4: have gone it taken taken it up?
Speaker 2: Uh I I I don't think that. Let me let
Speaker 2: me see if I can find this real quick. I
Speaker 2: found it yesterday. So the I I don't think that
Speaker 2: the Big Three.
Speaker 3: Has five million to give the No.
Speaker 2: I think they have five million, but I don't I
Speaker 2: think it would. I think five million dollars represents too
Speaker 2: large of a percentage of the Big Three's total value
Speaker 2: to make this story the way it is being presented accurate.
Speaker 2: Now do I think it's in play that there is
Speaker 2: an offer for Caitlin Clark to play in the Big
Speaker 2: Three and get what is being purported as five million
Speaker 2: dollars of value. Sure is it? You know, gets a
Speaker 2: percentage stake in the league, which if the league is
Speaker 2: valued at X and your percent is why that's worth
Speaker 2: four million bucks plus will pay you a million cash? Yeah? Maybe,
Speaker 2: But if what is being if it is being if
Speaker 2: the story is Caitlin Clark can play one season of
Speaker 2: the Big Three and get a check that you can
Speaker 2: go to your local bank and cash for five million dollars,
Speaker 2: she will obviously do that, and I just don't think
Speaker 2: that's gonna happen. I think that this is really good publicity.
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting, this was what we have. We
Speaker 2: don't do a great job these days of following up
Speaker 2: on stories or asking to me the obvious questions of
Speaker 2: the finer details of stories. So I could be proven
Speaker 2: wrong here, but I don't don't believe this story as
Speaker 2: it's being reported, and you can be like reported ice
Speaker 2: Cube said it, I do not believe that Caitlin Clark
Speaker 2: has the option of getting five million dollars in cash
Speaker 2: money to play in the Big Three. I don't think
Speaker 2: that's true. And so we'll see, We'll see if I'm right. Uh,
Speaker 2: just go ahead and mark this down. My guess. My
Speaker 2: guess is the offer is substantially less cash and a
Speaker 2: lot of theoretical equity or something that on paper you
Speaker 2: can say has a five million dollar value. Go ahead.
Speaker 3: Kind of sound like a hater right now, but just kind.
Speaker 2: Of why Why do I sound like a hater? Let's
Speaker 2: talk through. I'm being serious. Let me hear, because I'm
Speaker 2: sure a lot of people agree with you.
Speaker 4: Five million dollars, Like, there's no way Ice Cube could
Speaker 4: have offered a five million dollars to come play over
Speaker 4: the summer.
Speaker 3: Maybe.
Speaker 4: I mean, she's Kaitlyn Clark, She's huge. It'd probably be
Speaker 4: the biggest star for that. I don't know who's been
Speaker 4: in ice qu'es Big three league, but probably one of
Speaker 4: the bigger stars.
Speaker 3: That's no, she.
Speaker 2: Would be the biggest, huge straw all of the above.
Speaker 2: I you know what, I'm gonna go ahead and make
Speaker 2: the announcement. I haven't publicly said it, but I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go ahead and make the announcement. I've got on the
Speaker 2: table sitting out there, a ten million dollar offer for
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes to replace you. Demonse on the what's right
Speaker 2: with the great podcast? Now, you might say, Nick, how
Speaker 2: do you have ten million cash? Well, here's the way
Speaker 2: that that offer is gonna work. Actually, I believe that
Speaker 2: this podcast would instantly be worth fifty million if Patrick
Speaker 2: were to sign up for it. So my offer is
Speaker 2: actually a twenty percent ownership stake, which at a fifty
Speaker 2: million dollar valuation, is worth ten million dollars for him
Speaker 2: to take your seat offers out there ten million bucks.
Speaker 2: That to me is more likely the line we're taking,
Speaker 2: rather than I've got a check ready. So we'll see.
Speaker 2: You can call me a hater. I call myself a
Speaker 2: uh realist with a slight dose dose of healthy skepticism.
Speaker 2: But we'll see, and I'm sure some intrepid journalists will
Speaker 2: follow up on this story consistently, So we'll just see.
Speaker 2: Let's go to NFL totals.
Speaker 4: All right, We're we're doing we're doing gambling Goldilocks today,
Speaker 4: NFL WIN Talking edition. We've got Yeah, that that's really cute.
Speaker 4: Where's okay?
Speaker 2: I didn't? Oh I was. That's pretty good guy.
Speaker 4: This is how it works, NFL win told us for
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four dropped, So we're gonna dig in with
Speaker 4: gambling goldie lucks. So start first off, we got the
Speaker 4: Bears at eight and a half in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 4: they finished with a seven to ten record. Does Keenan
Speaker 4: Allen and Caleb Williams equal two more wins? Is the
Speaker 4: eight and a half too high?
Speaker 3: Too low? Or just right for Chicago?
Speaker 2: Too low? This is one of my favorite pre you know,
Speaker 2: preliminary bets. The Bears are gonna win at least nine games.
Speaker 2: I mean the very listen. It's not just Keenan Allen.
Speaker 2: It's it's a full year of Montese sweat. It's whoever
Speaker 2: they draft ninth overall, which could be the second best tackle,
Speaker 2: the third best receiver, Brock Bauers, an impact defensive player.
Speaker 2: It's Keenan Allen's DeAndre Swift is the different moves. They've
Speaker 2: made a massive upgrade at quarterback. They won seven games
Speaker 2: last year, and so yes, I love the Bears over
Speaker 2: that is too low? Next?
Speaker 3: So called that one.
Speaker 4: The Chargers have lost some key pieces but should be rebounding.
Speaker 4: Plus they have Jim Harball coming in to turning things around.
Speaker 4: Is eight and a half too high? Too lower?
Speaker 3: Just right for the Chargers?
Speaker 2: Just right, and listen, I think that this is gonna
Speaker 2: be year one of a on the fly rebuild. They obviously,
Speaker 2: and I don't think they're gonna draft Marvin Harrison or
Speaker 2: Elak Neighbors at five. I think they're gonna trade out
Speaker 2: of that pick and acquire more picks. I think that
Speaker 2: is a prime spot for Minnesota to trade eleven and
Speaker 2: twenty three to get that pick. So because of that,
Speaker 2: I do not I simply don't see ah. I don't
Speaker 2: see a quick turnaround for the Chargers. They'll be better
Speaker 2: than last year, but last year they won like five
Speaker 2: six games, so I think eight and a half is
Speaker 2: just right.
Speaker 4: Next all right, The Bills gutted their team this offseason,
Speaker 4: but it seems that Vegas can't quit. Josh Allen, their
Speaker 4: win total did not budge from last year.
Speaker 3: Is ten and a half? Too high, too lower? Just
Speaker 3: right for the Bills, just right.
Speaker 2: This is right, Listen. They I would be very surprised
Speaker 2: if they won nine games. I'd be very surprised if
Speaker 2: they won thirteen games. Ten eleven, twelve is right where
Speaker 2: they should land. And so the if I had to
Speaker 2: bet on the Bills, I would actually go over because
Speaker 2: I think that Vegas has will get to him in
Speaker 2: a moment, but overvalued the Jets, so I think that
Speaker 2: they probably have the Bills splitting with the Jets like
Speaker 2: they did last year, so I think this is just right.
Speaker 2: I think that the Bills are probably eleven and six,
Speaker 2: so ten and a half is just right next all right.
Speaker 4: The Cowboys didn't have the best offseason either, but I
Speaker 4: guess they do get to play the Giants twice. Is
Speaker 4: ten and a half too high to low? Or just
Speaker 4: right for the Cowboys too low?
Speaker 2: So Dallas gets four games against Washington and the Giants
Speaker 2: obviously two games against the Eagles, so they should be
Speaker 2: five and one right there. They've got the Let me,
Speaker 2: let me get the rest of their twenty twenty four schedule.
Speaker 2: Make sure I have it right. They're cross. They get
Speaker 2: the NFC South, which is, in my opinion, the worst
Speaker 2: division in football. So you get Carolina, you get New Orleans,
Speaker 2: you get Tampa, you get Atlanta. They get the AFC North,
Speaker 2: which is brutal, obviously, and they have the first place schedule.
Speaker 2: But the Cowboys win twelve games every year.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 2: The question for the Cowboys is not are they you know,
Speaker 2: gonna be good in the regular season. The question is
Speaker 2: the postseason. So I think that's too low. Next, no
Speaker 2: one knows what to do with the Jets.
Speaker 4: But now their quarterback, now that their quarterback won't be
Speaker 4: vice president, they actually have a decent roster on paper.
Speaker 3: Is nine and a half too high? Too lower? Just
Speaker 3: right for the Jets?
Speaker 2: Too high? I mean, I just I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: understand the smoke surrounding the Jets. People like, ah, they
Speaker 2: won seven games last year with bad quarterback play. Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers is gonna be forty one years old. Guys this season,
Speaker 2: he's coming off in Achilles. They they are they They
Speaker 2: decided to replace their old injured offensive line with old
Speaker 2: injury prone players. They have the maybe the worst coach
Speaker 2: in football. Like that that they're not gonna win ten games,
Speaker 2: So that to me is absolutely unequivocally too high.
Speaker 4: Next, well, it finally be the year that you quit
Speaker 4: the Jaguars. Dumb questions, should I just say too.
Speaker 3: And can we move on? Is eight and a half,
Speaker 3: two high, two lowers, just right for the Jags.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, it's probably just right. So here's the thing. I really, well,
Speaker 2: no I trust Trevor, but I hated their offseason. Obviously
Speaker 2: the division got better in that it's year two of C. J.
Speaker 2: Stroud and the Colts with Anthony Richardson coming back could
Speaker 2: be interesting. I don't love the Jags offensive coordinator. I
Speaker 2: don't love the GM and so I want to believe
Speaker 2: in the Jags because of how much I believe in Trevor,
Speaker 2: but I don't love the roster and so you know,
Speaker 2: fighting for one of those final playoff spots is probably
Speaker 2: how this is gonna go for the Jags. It's unfortunate,
Speaker 2: it is squandering Trevor's rookie contract. It's unconscious some of
Speaker 2: the mismanagement they've had with this team. And last year
Speaker 2: it was you know, they were eight and three and
Speaker 2: Trevor got hurt, and everyone wants to pretend like that
Speaker 2: didn't happen, but that is what happened. This was an
Speaker 2: eight and three team and their quarterback got hurt. But
Speaker 2: I losing Ridley, spending money where they've spent it, I
Speaker 2: just don't think it's smart. All right, So there is
Speaker 2: a quick look at the we'll do the whole league
Speaker 2: post draft for the over unders take a quick break
Speaker 2: come back. The Chiefs signed a rugby star will do
Speaker 2: that and answer your questions. What's right? Welcome back in
Speaker 2: What's right with Nick?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: All right? Before we get to the listener questions, de Monsey,
Speaker 2: go ahead, talk to me about the Chiefs and the
Speaker 2: rugby guy.
Speaker 3: Yo.
Speaker 4: So the Chiefs signed a rugby player to play running
Speaker 4: backslash wide receiver. This is an outside of the box
Speaker 4: move and definitely very Andy reidish.
Speaker 3: I feel like, what do you think about this?
Speaker 2: So a couple things. One is people got to understand
Speaker 2: and this is a free roster spot, so there are
Speaker 2: different because the NFL wants more international players, there's different rules.
Speaker 2: If you sign an international player doesn't count on your
Speaker 2: ninety man roster, and if he's on the practice squad
Speaker 2: does not count against the spot on the practice squad.
Speaker 2: So it's a he only counts on your roster if
Speaker 2: he makes the actual game day fifty three man active roster.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's to play running back wide receiver.
Speaker 2: I think it's to get a look at him with
Speaker 2: the new kick return rules. I think that I think
Speaker 2: that there is real intrigue there and Andy get a
Speaker 2: free look at it. The other person that I think
Speaker 2: for the Chiefs could actually be really valuable in the
Speaker 2: return game. Yes, they're not gonna cut him because his
Speaker 2: contract's guaranteed. He you know they're gonna He's gonna be
Speaker 2: moved down the wide receiver depth chart by the draft,
Speaker 2: by Hollywood Brown, all of that. But with the ball
Speaker 2: in his hands, he's dynamic. So I think this is
Speaker 2: I think it is an intriguing free look at a
Speaker 2: guy that I think is actually super sharp by them,
Speaker 2: and I like, all right, let's get to the listener questions.
Speaker 4: Uh, Peter Deeve said, Nick pushed the Luca MVP agenda.
Speaker 4: MAVs are very close to the four seed.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean they're if they were to get to
Speaker 2: the four seed, you could make the case. The fact
Speaker 2: of the matter is Joker's gonna win the MVP. This
Speaker 2: has kind of been set in stone. I think Giannis
Speaker 2: has a legitimate case. I think Luca has a legitimate case.
Speaker 2: Joker as the defending champ when people thought he should
Speaker 2: have won last year. I'm fine with him winning it,
Speaker 2: but Luca being so far down the odds rankings, to me,
Speaker 2: is is ludicrous. But Joker's gonna win it. Tatum does
Speaker 2: not have a legitimate case. Sorry, he's on the best team.
Speaker 4: Next, So Ali, whose idea is it's to start start
Speaker 4: doing the post show interviews on first things?
Speaker 3: First, they're so great.
Speaker 2: Our great social media producer Laurie gets credit. Wilds will
Speaker 2: try to take the credit, but Laurie gets all the
Speaker 2: credit for that. She does a great job with all
Speaker 2: that stuff.
Speaker 4: Next, Rico Am asked, who do you think the Chiefs
Speaker 4: could get in the first round that would truly be
Speaker 4: an impact player.
Speaker 2: I want Lad McConkie, the slot receiver from Georgia. We've
Speaker 2: never had that type of player with Mahomes, he's the
Speaker 2: guy I want. I know a lot of people thing
Speaker 2: Troy Franklin or Adam and I Mitchell the different wide receivers.
Speaker 2: I also, if one of the excellent tackles falls, that's
Speaker 2: what they should do. But I don't know if any
Speaker 2: of those great tackles are gonna fall. Next.
Speaker 4: Okay, Indy xtent question for Nick, what are the chances
Speaker 4: that Jerry Jones tries to pull a Chiefs move by
Speaker 4: trading up for quarterback in round one?
Speaker 2: I think that's unlikely. I think that there's the the
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks are gonna go so high that I don't
Speaker 2: think that's a likely move for Dallas. I also think
Speaker 2: I don't think they're excited about moving off Dak. I
Speaker 2: just think they're open to the possibility of moving off
Speaker 2: him in a year. All right, and then uh, go
Speaker 2: ahead and the go ahead, and let's do Ryan Heffernan's demonse.
Speaker 4: Ryan Heffernan, if you don't answer a Royals question on opening.
Speaker 2: Day, well, listen, there haven't been any Royals questions. I mean,
Speaker 2: go Bobby wit Junior. Bobby wit Junior is the only
Speaker 2: like the Royals are not gonna be really good. The
Speaker 2: question is do we have a superstar? Hopefully we do,
Speaker 2: and hopefully we can build around it. Like that's the
Speaker 2: reality of it. And I will you know, my interest
Speaker 2: in Major League Baseball's regular season is directly correlated with
Speaker 2: if the Royals are good. When the Royals were good,
Speaker 2: I used to get MLBXRA. I was watching regular season
Speaker 2: baseball all the time when the Royal stink I'll see
Speaker 2: you in October. So this is probably a i'll see
Speaker 2: you in October baseball season. And then Prime Lebron said,
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of dorks behind the camera because we
Speaker 2: showed the control room. That's unfair. And there's a couple
Speaker 2: doors behind the camera. It's not everybody. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: it's not it's not everybody. Here's a couple dorks behind
Speaker 2: the camera. I'm not gonna you know, name names, but
Speaker 2: that's just a couple that was that was unnecessary. Prime
Speaker 2: Lebron all right, great job everyone, great job. Demand's a
Speaker 2: oh and Patrick mahomes in for the show. See just now,
Speaker 2: I am gonna take a shot at the producers. Yeah, guys, producers.
Speaker 2: Just so you guys know, I understand you guys worked
Speaker 2: very hard on these photoshops. If I very clearly and
Speaker 2: intentionally skip over the question in in the rundown that
Speaker 2: allows me to bring this up, it's probably because I
Speaker 2: saw it in preview and didn't think we should put
Speaker 2: it on the air. Just for the record, it's not like, oh,
Speaker 2: Nick missed it. Let's make sure listen, you miss one
Speaker 2: entrepren of the shots you don't take. I'm not mad
Speaker 2: at you for taking the shot. But if I say,
Speaker 2: all right, that's it for the show, let's move on,
Speaker 2: don't just jump me with the graphic that I thought was,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe not white camera ready that's all. Demand's
Speaker 2: great job producers, great job listeners, great job. See you
Speaker 2: guys on TV today at three.
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