1 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor. I'm Anny Rees and I'm 2 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: Lauren voc obamb and today we're talking about nutmeg. Yes, nutmeg, 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: the nuts so nice spice. Oh, I mean it's it's 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: nice in terms of flavor. Just historically speaking, every spice 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: ever is horrific, that's true. And I like nutmeg, but 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: I find I almost always overuse it. It's a very 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: powerful flavor. It's a light touch spice for sure. Yeah, 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: I see, I love a nutmeg like. I will put 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: a nutmeg on just about anything and everything like savory, sweet, 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: what have you. But again, a light touch. This was 11 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: a lesson I had to learn and still apparently I'm 12 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: I just have a heavy hand. My mom has a 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: word for it. I can't remember. Clumsy. There's something funny, 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: I'll ask her. Yeah, come back. But anyway, this brings 15 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: us to our question, and it's a two parter. What 16 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: is it? And what the heck is a pendulous drupe? Well? Um, 17 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: and we promise that the pendulous droop thing has to 18 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: do with nutmeg. Yes, it's not just some thing, although 19 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: I wouldn't put that pastas a pendulous droope. Okay, droope 20 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: is a fruit that grows from a single ovary and 21 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: contains a single seed or pit um think peaches or 22 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: plums or or olives, And pendulous just means hanging rather 23 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: than being more directly attached to a branch. So yes, 24 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: pendulous droop, and in some plants, the seed or pit 25 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: at hand is good to eat, Like you get almonds 26 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: by cracking up in the pit of an almond tree's fruit, 27 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: and you get nutmegs by processing a nutmeg trees fruit. 28 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: So nutmeg is a spice that comes mostly from a 29 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: plant by the botanical name moristica fragrance. It's a tropical 30 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: evergreen tree with a glossy, dark green leaves, and all 31 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: parts of this plant are fragrant. But the part humans 32 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: are mostly concerned with is the fruit. These trees grow 33 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: these yellowish fruits that look a little bit like apricots. 34 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: When they're ripe, the fruit splits open along its seem, 35 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: you know, like that like the butt of a peach. Yeah, 36 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: like that seem, and it reveals the pit. And these 37 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: pits look wild, y'all. It's like something out of a 38 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: John Carpenter film. Like seriously, they're like shiny and black 39 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: and partially covered in this bright red, fleshy, sort of 40 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: like thick netting. It looks like Freddy Krueger's face in 41 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: pit format. Well, this is very important for me to 42 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: know because I have been on a deep dive of 43 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: every Friday movie and Nightmare on ELM Street movie and 44 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: Halloween movie. It has been a really long Halloween month 45 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: for me. But long or fabulous. It's been wonderful. But 46 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: I didn't know one that Jason went to New York. 47 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: He took Manhattan, and then he went to Hell and 48 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: that's where he met Freddy, right, and then he went 49 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: to space because the FBI was like, let's to send 50 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: it into space. Oh, that's why he ended up in space. Yeah, 51 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: because there's a secret compound under Crystal Lake. We're just 52 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: sputtering nonsense. Never seen Friday there tooth. Let's get back 53 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: to nutmeg. Yes, okay, So if you if you take 54 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: this weird Freddy Krueger looking pit out of the fruit 55 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: and then scrape off that red stuff and then crack 56 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: the pit open inside you'll find a nutmeg. But you 57 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: don't want to do that. Like fresh off the tree, 58 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: these things have to be dried first. Traditionally in hot 59 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: shaded buildings for up to two months, and when the 60 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: nutmeg seed or kernel starts rattling around and it's pit, 61 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: it's ready to go. Now. If you've never seen one, 62 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: hole nutmeg is a dark brown and it looks looks 63 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: a little bit like a smaller, sort of wrinkly pecan 64 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: in its shell, or like a sort of bloated almond, 65 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: like if you just sort of puffed an almond up 66 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: full of full of air like a balloon. Um. I'm 67 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: not using any attractive words here. I'm sorry. It's it's 68 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: really not there to be pretty though. This seed or 69 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: kernel is just packed dense with all of these squiggly 70 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: little layers of food that would have been used by 71 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: the seed to grow a new plant. But as it 72 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: turns out, if you dry out and then grind or 73 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: grate up that seed stuff, it's delicious to humans too. 74 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: It's fragrant and warm and woody, with a little sweetness 75 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: and a little bite. The tree is native to Indonesias 76 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: Maluccas a k a. The Spice Islands, and that's where 77 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: a lot of it is cultivated, along with the Caribbean 78 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: and here in the States. It's a popular spice and 79 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: baked goods particularly in the fall part of eggnog. I 80 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: still top my whiskey sours with nutmeg when I'm feeling fancy, 81 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: because I remember we went to we went downstairs to 82 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: a place called Bitter and she did she shaved some 83 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: nutmeg over the top of it and it was beautiful. 84 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: It was amazing. It's it's a little sweet and very aromatic, 85 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: but it's popular in a huge variety of dishes, from 86 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: meats to vegetables to sauces. The spice mace comes from 87 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: the arrows are on the outside of the nutmeg seed. Yeah, 88 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: that bright red knitting stuff. That's so cool. Yeah. Yeah, 89 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: Like the more you know, the more you know. Um. 90 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: Mace is a little more biting and less sweet at 91 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: the nutmeg, but with an otherwise similar flavor profile, and 92 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: nutmeg is still used pretty liberally in Dutch, Tuscan, North 93 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: African and Canadian cuisine and provide some warm notes to 94 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: some French sauces. A mace is more popular in Indian cuisines. 95 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: The fruit can also be eaten and is by some 96 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,239 Speaker 1: nutmeg farmers and their communities. It can be eaten fresh 97 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: with like a pinch of salt and chili, or dried 98 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: and sugared or made into juice or jam or pickles 99 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: or wine. And yeah, all parts of the nutmeg plant 100 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: taste vaguely of nutmeg. Makes sense, The word nutmeg might 101 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: refer to different seeds in different countries, just to keep 102 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: us all on artes. As far as the name goes, 103 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: it might come from either an old Arabic word or 104 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: an old French word for musk, meaning fragrant, and then 105 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: possibly the French word for nut combined with that nuts meg. 106 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: And what about nutrition, Well, nutmeg, I mean it's a spice. 107 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: I mean, like in the amount that you would use 108 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: it culinarily, it's pretty much null. But maybe you've heard 109 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: that people use nutmeg non culinarily. I don't know what 110 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: you're talking about. Well, you did some of the research, 111 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: so I certainly hope you have. Okay, I did. Yeah, 112 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: you probably heard some interesting things about nutmegs properties. Specifically, 113 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: it's psychedelic and hallucinogenic properties. If you consume somewhere around 114 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: four to eight teaspoons, nutmeg does have psychoactive effects. The 115 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: sensation of floating is what most partakers report experiencing. It 116 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: can take a minute for it to hit or not 117 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: a minute. A couple of hours, and it could last 118 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: four days. It comes with a lot of unpleasant side 119 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: effects after vomiting, raising heart diarrhea, and a quote nutmeg 120 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: burb every twenty minutes, which I find interesting rarely. Nutmeg poisoning, 121 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: which is about twelve teaspoons, can result in palpitations, paying convulsions, 122 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: and possibly death. Some person kitchens have banned nutmeg for 123 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: this reason. Malcolm X even mentioned nutmeg and his autobiography 124 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: quote certain into a glass of cold water, A penny 125 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: matchbox full of nutmeg had the kick of three or 126 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: four reefers. Huh. William S Burrows wrote about it too. 127 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: Results are vaguely similar to marijuana, with side effects of 128 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: headache and nausea. Death would probably supervene before addiction of 129 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: such addiction as possible. I have only taken nutmeg once. 130 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: Other experimenters have compared a nutmeg high to having a 131 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: two day hangover. That sounds terrible. I agree, Well, what's 132 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: happening here, Lauren? Okay? Nutmeg contains a lot of interesting 133 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: compounds that give it it's it's a roma and flavor. 134 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: Little Lull brings a sort of floral spice terrapin al 135 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: piney citrus, eugenal clovie sort of spice camp feed this 136 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: pungent bite. Diepentine is lemony, and pine in is um 137 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: well piney oh. For once words make more or less 138 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: makes sense? Um, but yeah. Nutmeg also contains a few 139 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: interesting compounds. Mauristason, named for the nutmeg plant, can suppress 140 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: the action of a particular neurotransmitter and thus prevent some 141 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: of your nerves from firing um. These nerves are responsible 142 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: for involuntary and voluntary muscle movement in the in the guts, 143 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: the lungs, and elsewhere, and some researchers think that this 144 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: is why a nutmeg high makes you feel sluggish, and 145 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: also why nutmeg has been used medicinally to treat stuff 146 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: like gastro intestinal distress, like it might prevent muscles from 147 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: cramping in those areas. It's also a precursor to m 148 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: m d A, which is a psychedelic amphetamine. And then 149 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: there are a couple other compounds um lminsen and saff role, 150 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: both of which are psychoactive precursors to m d M 151 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: A or to see And there are all sorts of 152 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: theories about how these and other compounds of nutmeg interact 153 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: with each other and with your body as they're like 154 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: broken down in the digestive system and liver in order 155 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: to create this high rights and the chemical behind this 156 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: whole thing. Um that maristason is bad news for dogs, 157 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: potentially fatal level bad news. Yeah, don't take nutmeg for 158 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: recreational use. Don't do it. No, it also beware of 159 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: anything that's selling nutmeg for medicinal use. It is sold 160 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: as a treatment for everything from aforementioned guest or intestinal 161 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: issues to kidney disease to cancer, but there's not enough 162 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: scientific evidence to say whether it helps with any of 163 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: those things. However, studies are ongoing. Research in rats has 164 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: shown that high doses of nutmeg oil are more effective 165 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: than traditional pain medication in helping ease pain and swelling 166 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: due to inflammation, the sort of inflammation seen in arthritis, 167 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: and with fewer side effects. So um, it would be 168 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: pretty cool off something came out of that, but does 169 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: don't go dosing yourself like the oil that they were 170 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: using was specially formulated to contain less of the stuff 171 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 1: that makes you ill. Um. If you just eat a 172 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: lot of nutmeg, you'd get nauseated a long time before 173 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: you would see arthritis benefits. And if we look at numbers, 174 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: they can be a little tough to pin down, but 175 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: estimates put global nutmeg production between somewhere between ten and 176 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: twelve thousand metric tons annually. Indonesia accounts for sevent of 177 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: that production and Granada comes in second with about But 178 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: nowadays you can find nutmeg pretty much anywhere and cheaply. 179 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: But at one time nutmeg was worth its weight in gold. 180 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: And then some tens of thousands died in the fight 181 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: to control nutmeg. Yay spices. Yeah, yeah, And we'll get 182 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: into that after a quick break for word from our sponsor, 183 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you sponsored. Alright, So nutmeg history. 184 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: Before it was used for food, nutmeg was used as 185 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: an encense or in these small perfume bags called satchets. 186 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: Supposedly it was part of the spice blend used inside 187 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: Egyptian mummies. Egyptian mummies, spice blend. Why can I not 188 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: buy that anywhere? Oh well, that's our next spice blend. 189 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: It's true, alright, okay. Note note to future as it 190 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: was a part of the royal perfume used in Iran 191 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: and preserved. Nutmeg was recorded in China as early as 192 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: two hundred. Plenty wrote about it in first century see 193 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: Persian physician Ibn Sinna wrote about what he called the 194 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: Bonda nut sometime around one thousand C. And the Bonda 195 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: nut is probably nutmeg. Bonda is the old term for 196 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: the isle and where it was found. Yes, around the 197 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: same time, Holy Roman Emperor Henry the six had the 198 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: streets fumigated um with nutmegs in honor of his coronation. Oh, 199 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 1: that sounds delightful, it does. Records show that had made 200 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: it all the way out to Byzantium by sixth century CE, 201 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: and there are records describing a sprinkling of nutmeg on 202 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: peace putting old episode throwback dating back to the eighth century, 203 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: lots of penisul used. Going on to records show that 204 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: Europeans were using it as a cure for nervous ailments 205 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: by the seventh century. And um, we say all the 206 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: way out because for centuries you could only find it 207 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: on this one isolated all island chain, the Bonda Islands, 208 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: of which yeah, there are ten of them. Arab traders 209 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: were the first outsiders to discover nutmeg, and they charged 210 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: a fortune for it. When the Turks seized control of 211 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: Constantinople which is modern day Istanbul. In fourteen fifty three, 212 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: they cut off trade on the one strip of land 213 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: that had allowed some merchants to bypass the air of 214 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: Venetian trade monopoly because at the time Arab traders sold 215 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: to Europe through Venice. Columbus was looking for a shortcut 216 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: to the Spice Islands to get around this whole mess 217 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: when he stumbled on the America's instead. When Vasco da 218 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: Gama's forces laid siege to Kerala in his his soldiers 219 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: cried for Christ and spices. This is destiny of the 220 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: world stuff we're talking about here. Guided by the search 221 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: for nutmeg. The Benedictine abbess Hildeguard to ben Gen wrote 222 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: about nutmegs psychoactive properties all the way back in twelfth 223 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: century CE, so we humans have known something was up 224 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: with nutmeg for a while, and because of its rarity, 225 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: nutmeg was super expensive. German records from the fourteenth century 226 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: list the price for a pound of nutmeg at seven oxen, 227 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: not skinny oxen, no fat oxen like good ones. Yeah, 228 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: something else I ran across claim that at one point 229 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: in England, selling a handful of nutmeg nuts would set 230 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: you up for life who never had work again. The 231 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: nutmegs situation changed in fifteen eleven when Portuguese conquer Afonso 232 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: to Albuquerque captured the Moluccas and demanded that the indigenous 233 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: islanders lead him to the source of the nutmeg, which 234 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: they did. Both the locals successfully kept the Portuguese from 235 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: occupying the Banda Islands and eventually drove the Portuguese out. 236 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: Also wanted to mention that Leonardo da Vinci's fifteen tin 237 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: packing list read in corn, pen knife, get hold of skull, nutmeg. 238 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: That sounds like a lot of my list. We want 239 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: to hang out with Leo so hard, get hold of 240 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: get hold of a skull, period a nutmeg. I agree, dude. 241 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: And this is around the time when nutmeg star really 242 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: started to rise. Spices were all our age among the 243 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: rich um because they were the only ones who could 244 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: afford them. Really, they might have been using it for 245 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: its hallucinogenic properties as well and also medicinally just as 246 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: much as for food. Some believed that nutmeg could keep 247 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: away not only the common cold, but also the bubonic plague. 248 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: It couldnt know. Science has shown that fleas appear to 249 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: really dislike the smell of nutmeg. So the leading European 250 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: medical institution during the Middle Ages, the Solerno School, had 251 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: this to say about nutmeg. One nut is good for you, 252 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: the second will do you harm, the third will kill you. 253 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: And it was seen as an affrotusiac because obviously, of course, 254 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: of course also thought to relieve sleeplessness, poison bites, and flatulence. 255 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah. And then there's also a rumor that 256 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: Nostre Damas was taking a lot of it and other 257 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: mild lucinogens like it while he was writing up his prophecies, 258 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: So that's where they came from. Yea and uh thanks 259 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: to producer Dylan for for that hot tip. Yes, I 260 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: love this too. Some rich French chefs would get these 261 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: really fancy nutmeg graders made and they would show them 262 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: off at fancy dinner parties. Like if someone was like, oh, 263 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: I've only had a way to grate this nutmeg, it 264 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: would be like, oh, I have a way. I love it. 265 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: I want to carry around a pineapple and a fancy 266 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: nutmeg grader and people will never invite me to parties again. Okay, 267 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: I would I think that if I think you don't 268 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: want to hang out with those people. Anyway, You're right, Lauren, 269 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: You're always full of such good advice. Okay, so now 270 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: we need to talk about the Dutch East India Company 271 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: because they really wanted a monopoly on the nutmeg trade. 272 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: To that end, they went to the Bondanese, forcing them 273 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: to trade nutmeg for Dutch goods that the Bondanese didn't need, 274 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:08,959 Speaker 1: like thick, heavy clothing. They were in the tropics, they 275 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: had no need for that kind of stuff. And they 276 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: also forced the Bondanese rulers to sign quote the Eternal 277 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: Treaty in sixteen o nine, which secured the Dutch East 278 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: India Company's spice trade monopoly on the islands. And things 279 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: escalated after that when the Bondas attacked the fortress the 280 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: Dutch had built in the region, Fort Nassau. They killed 281 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: the emeral and forty of his officers. At the same time, 282 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: the British were doing their best to chip away at 283 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: the duchess hold on the spice trade and the Spice Islands. 284 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: They managed to secure two small Bonda islands, Run and I. 285 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: Run was the first British colony in the world, but 286 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: the Dutch fought tooth and nail and in sixteen fifteen, 287 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: they attacked the British controlled Spice Islands. The British lost 288 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: control of I, but solidified their forces on run and 289 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: killed two hundred of the Duchess soldiers. The British forces 290 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: were able to reclaim I, but about a year later 291 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: the Dutch attacked them again, and when the British used 292 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: up all of their AMMO, the Dutch massacred them. Determined 293 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: to take full control of the bandas the Dutch East 294 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: India Company dispatched soldiers to the islands, who used alleged 295 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: violations to this eternal Treaty as justification for beheading forty 296 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: indigenous leaders. And if that wasn't terrible enough, they then 297 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: committed genocide against the Bonda's. Historians estimate the population went 298 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: from around fifteen thousand to around one thousand. Any male 299 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: over the age of fifteen was quartered and beheaded. The 300 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: survivors were then enslaved and used to cultivate nutmeg. A 301 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: decade and a half later, the population had dropped even 302 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 1: lower to six hundred. Goodness and all of these horrible 303 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: acts made Dutch plantation owner is filthy rich. They sold 304 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: nutmeg at a markup of three hundred times in Europe. 305 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: The Dutch East India Company was the richest company in 306 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: the world. Each year, shareholders got a forty percent dividend 307 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: and the company employed over fifty thousand people and ten 308 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: thousand soldiers across two hundred ships. To get more product, 309 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: they brought in slaves from other Indonesian islands like Java. Meanwhile, 310 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: the English and French tried to circumvent the Duchess control 311 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: of nutmeg with subterfuge to get their hands on fertile 312 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: nutmegs seeds. To prevent this, nutmegs seeds were coated in 313 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: lime so they wouldn't sprout. The export of nutmeg growing 314 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: trees was banned, and anyone suspected of growing, stealing, or 315 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: selling nutmeg outside of Dutch approval faced the death penalty. 316 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: And that lime thing was so prevalent for so long 317 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: that even after the monopoly fell, producers would continue to 318 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: bleach nutmegs for like a good long while, because according 319 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: to consumers, that's what nutmegs looks like, my goodness. And 320 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: then Peter Piper got involved. Of course, he's always popping 321 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: up everywhere. Peter Peter Piper, Like Peter Piper, picked a 322 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: peck of pickled peppers. Yeah, fame that one. Yep, that one. 323 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: He's a real guy. He was a real dude. His 324 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: actual name was Pierre Poivre, which translated to English comes 325 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: out to be Peter Piper. He wore many hats, a 326 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: pirate's hat, a horticulturist hat. I guess that's a gardening cap. 327 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: And he also had lost one of his arms. At 328 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: the time. Pepper referred to all kinds of spice nuts, 329 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: so nutmeg peppers relevant here. Pierre stole all kinds of 330 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: things from the Dutch for his garden, including nutmeg. Because 331 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: of him, France was able to plant some nutmeg seeds 332 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: on their colony of Mauritius. And this brings us to 333 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: the question did the Dutch really trade the island of 334 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: Manhattan for nutmeg? Before we answer that, we're gonna pause 335 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: for one more quick break for a word from our sponsor, 336 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you. Alright, 337 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: So let's answer this question. It's a popular cocktail type question. 338 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: After centuries of bloodshed and warring over territory, the Dutch 339 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: Anglo War had just ended. The British and the Dutch 340 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: were looking to cool things down a bit. In sixteen 341 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: sixty seven, they entered negotiations. The British wanted New Amsterdam 342 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: or Manhattan, and the Dutch wanted Britain's last nutmeg producing island, 343 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: Bonza Run and a South American sugar producing territory. Is 344 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: like the cherry on top on what they won both 345 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: of those things. The Treaty of Breda was signed and 346 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: the exchange was made, and so was history. So the 347 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: answer is yes, yeah, kind of kind of. New Amsterdam, 348 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 1: by the way, was discovered by English explorer Henry Hudson, 349 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: who was commissioned by the Dutch East India Company to 350 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: find a northeast passage from Asia to the Arctic Ocean. 351 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: He didn't, but he did find a long island, and 352 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: that's where the name of the Hudson River comes from. 353 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: The Dutch purportedly traded items value to add around twenty 354 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: four dollars to the tribe they found on Manhattan Island. 355 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: The tribe didn't really live there though, and that they 356 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: called it um quote a place where we all got 357 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: drunk or mana hacked in yet, sorry if I butchered that, 358 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: but yeah, because that's another thing you'll hear a lot 359 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: in that conversation is twenty four dollars. That's where that 360 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: comes from. Okay, So about a century and a half 361 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: goes by with the Dutch maintaining total control of the 362 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: nutmeg trade. Then comes the Napoleonic Wars from eighteen o 363 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: three to eighteen fifteen, pitting the Dutch, which is now 364 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: at this time part of Napoleon's Empire, against the English again. 365 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: So the British went straight for the Spice Islands. They 366 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: launched an attack against one of the Bunda Islands in 367 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 1: eighteen ten and the Dutch lost their fort Nassau. But 368 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: when the first phase of the Napoleonic Wars ended in 369 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: eighteen fourteen, control went back to the Dutch with the 370 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: First Treaty of Paris. But the British had nutmeg seeds 371 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: now seeds that they planted on their tropical colonial outposts 372 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: like Singapore, Malaysia and Sri Lanka, and nutmeg spread from 373 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: there and causing the price to drop dramatically. Regular folks 374 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: in Europe and Asia could afford it, and they started 375 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: incorporating it into their cuisine. British controlled Granada went on 376 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: to become the second largest producer of nutmeg, and to 377 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: this day their flag has the shape of a nutmeg 378 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: on it, and folks were still looking to use it 379 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: for other things other than eating. Uh. During the nineteenth century, 380 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: women looking to induce a miscarriage would jest large quantities 381 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: of nutmeg. And here's some slightly more modern day trivia. 382 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: Apparently in Connecticut is known as the nutmeg State. That 383 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: was news to me me as well and particularly associated. 384 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't grow there, right, I mean unless 385 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: you have a hot house. I suppose any listeners who 386 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: have a hot else growing nutmeg in Connecticut? Yeah, send pictures. 387 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: There are two reasons given for why Connecticut has this nickname. 388 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: One goes that some sneaky merchants in the state would 389 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: carve these little wooden nutmegs and sell them as the 390 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: real deal. Yeah. The second story takes a nicer look 391 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: at these merchants, suggesting that folks didn't realize nutmeg wouldn't 392 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: crack open the same way a walnut would, and that 393 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: you needed to degrade it instead, and concluded that the 394 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: entire seed was composed of would Noah, oh Man, how disappointing, 395 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: oh to like to like crate what you think is 396 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 1: a nutmeg and it's just sawdust. And then you're like, 397 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: he probably paid a lot for it, like a lot. 398 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: This This practice occurred back in England as well, and 399 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: led to a slang use of the word nutmeg in 400 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: Victorian times. To be nutmegged was to be tricked in 401 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: a way that made you look and feel foolish. Oh, 402 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: I'll love it. Yeah, And that slang in turn may 403 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: have led to the sports term nutmeg in ah In football, soccer, 404 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: or hockey or other games, a nutmeg is when you 405 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 1: hawk the ball between an opponent's legs. I didn't know that. Yeah, 406 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: I love it. That's yeah, that's pretty fantastic. Um and yeah. 407 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: Some more modern history. By the twentieth century, further reductions 408 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: in prices garnered a greater demand and availability of nutmeg 409 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: through the nineteen seventies, until an oversaturated market dropped prices 410 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: even more in the nineteen eighties, leading to the formation 411 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: of a cartel among the Indonesian and grenade In producers 412 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: that set minimum prices, but producers from both countries pretty 413 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: much immediately tried to undercut those prices, so it wasn't 414 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: a really successful cartel. And part of the issue here 415 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: was the Cold War um because the nine eighties was 416 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: when the US, like forcibly, removed the Marxist government from Granada, 417 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: ending the country's nutmeg profitable ties to Russia. Whether or 418 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: not Russia was there for the nutmeg or there for 419 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: the location in the Caribbean as a outpost close to 420 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: the US, I mean, you can decide for yourself. But 421 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: on a visit to Granada, President Reagan apparently joked that 422 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,479 Speaker 1: the Russians in Cubans had mostly wanted Granada for the nutmeg, 423 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: Like he was like, oh, laws, that's such a funny idea. 424 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: Uh quote. What they were really after was Christmas. I'm 425 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: sure it killed at the time. I'm positive it did. 426 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: But the thing that I find interesting about this entire 427 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: Cold War bit is that in the late eighties and 428 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: early nineties it became trendy again to buy whole nutmegs 429 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: and great them fresh at home instead of buying pre 430 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: ground nutmeg, which is what had been available in supermarkets 431 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,239 Speaker 1: for the past few decades. And this might be a 432 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: direct result of marketing done by Americans who are attempting 433 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: to fix Granada's economy after they cut ties to Russia. 434 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: That is interesting, Like I can't prove it one way 435 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: or another, but like the tie is there anyway. Yeah. 436 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: Today in the Caribbean in particular, small farms like the 437 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: nutmeg farms on Granada are a really great source of 438 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: jobs and businesses and are thought to be like good, 439 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: steady supplements to the tourism industry that dominates so much 440 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: of the area. But climate change and the increasing number 441 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: and intensity of hurricanes is making life harder for folks 442 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: and agriculture there. Yeah, this one had a lot of downs. Yeah. 443 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: I don't really have like a positive like being ending 444 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: for that one. I'm like, oh man, I still really 445 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: like nutmeg. Oh that's harsh. Yeah. Yeah. And I think 446 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: as this comes out as it airs, except we don't 447 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: really air, there's this radio well sure, noah, I mean 448 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 1: the sound waves move through air to get to your ears. 449 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: Well yeah, as it's released. It is the holiday season 450 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: and nutmeg is everywhere. It's probably in your pumpkin spice mix. 451 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: Oh sure. And we've mentioned before, I think last year 452 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: around this time, UH co worker Alex he makes eggnog 453 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: from George Washington's original recipe and it's delicious or Martha 454 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: Washington's original recipe, right, thank you, No, no problem, it's 455 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: I do it all from Martha, as you should. But 456 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: I know that I think last year I put a 457 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,959 Speaker 1: lot of nutmeg on top of mine and it was lovely. 458 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: It's worthwhile, it is it is. But this year I 459 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: hope I don't drink too much nutmeg because there is 460 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: a lot of alcohol in this Washington recipe. By the way. 461 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then tell everyone about nutmegs terrible paths. 462 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: That sounds like something I will do. Oh, that sounds 463 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: like something both of us will do for fun. Yeah, 464 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: we're buckets of joy. I'm going to remember that phrase, 465 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: buckets of joy. It's a long story, but I have 466 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: to design a Christmas card from my mom, so I'm 467 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: looking for all kinds of ideas. Buckets of joy. It's 468 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: just a bucket, like a sad buckets, sad bucket. I 469 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: like it. Yeah, I like it. But this brings us 470 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: to the end of our nutmeg episode. And two, all right, 471 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: I gotta say off the bat. I love how many 472 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: people have written in about mayonnaise. I love it. Keep 473 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: it coming. Yeah, all of the fist bumps you've gotten 474 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: one on Twitter and Instagram. It's been great. It has 475 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: been fantastic, But I have ott and exposed to the 476 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: other side of the argument to people who love mayonnaise. 477 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: And one of those letters that we received was from Dale, 478 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: and I love it. Dale wrote, I grew up knowing 479 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: that I hated mayonnaise, didn't like it on anything. Loved 480 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: potato salad, but with mustard all caps still my choice. 481 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: Then off I go to the Navy. Eventually, I'm working 482 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: shift work at a training center where there is no 483 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: food service. On back shifts, we would often send someone 484 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: out to get food, such as pizza. One of the 485 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: occasional runs was to the local pub for sub sandwiches. However, 486 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: they were pre made and they came with mayonnaise. On 487 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: those nights, I would stick to my brown bag. Then 488 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: I forget my lovely brown bag and it was sandwich night. 489 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: To eat mayonnaise too fast, I finally decided I could 490 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: maybe scrape it off. I bought a turkey seb. When 491 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: I unwrapped it, the turkey was swimming in mayonnaise. Being 492 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: hungry enough, I ate it anyway, and it was good. 493 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: I know taste can change as you age, so I 494 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: didn't think too much about it. Later, I visit my 495 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: parents home and make a sandwich using their mayonnaise. It 496 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: was awful. Then I learned my mother considered miracle whip 497 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: as healthy mayonnaise. Oh, since with her diabetes the sugar 498 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: was probably worse than the fact. Now I know, mayonnaise 499 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: good a miracle whip bad. However, once in a while 500 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: I will buy a small bottle of miracle whip from 501 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: my wife, who will eat mayonnaise but prefers miracle whip. 502 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: Until the day she died, my mother still insisted that 503 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: miracle whip was the same thing, just healthier. See I 504 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: kind of love this that you discovered that you hadn't 505 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: been eating a similar thing, right. I also thought that 506 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: miracle whip was heavy quote healthier mayonnaise. Okay, I mean 507 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: I mean at all, you know, like we always say, 508 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: like healthy is a really subjective term. This is true. 509 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, it really remarkable how well the marketing for 510 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: that worked. Um. And also just like I mean, I 511 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: don't think it was intentional in dale in the case 512 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: of your mother, but man, like the lies our parents 513 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: tell us, yeah, oh yeah, it's it's pretty great. We've 514 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: got a lot of emails about that. Got some trickery 515 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: to keep keep kids, happy eating, the eating, eating whatever 516 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: you're serving them exactly. Yeah. Also speaking a miracle whip, 517 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: Val wrote in I might have a bit of insight 518 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: into my miracle whip is called a salad dressing. I'm 519 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: from the East Coast, where a salad is usually a 520 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: let's see, spinachy, green and healthy ish thing, unless it's 521 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: something like pasta salad or tuna salad, where you expect mayo. However, 522 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: I went to visit family in Iowa, and after a 523 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: few days of eating fast food and fried things, was 524 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: excited for a family pot luck where several ants showed 525 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: up with salad not a leaf insight, salad was always 526 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: a mayo filled mix of pasta, cheese cubes, and maybe 527 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: some chopped peppers. I was so looking forward to a 528 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: real salad, not slimy, gooey pasta and cheese. I think 529 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: this is a pretty common Midwest usage of the word 530 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: salad and might be where that comes from. Hopefully some 531 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: Midwesterners can confirm, yeah please right in um We touched 532 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: on that a little bit in our episode on Aspects, right, Yeah, Yeah, 533 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: it's a bigger seems to be a bigger deal, right 534 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: right than it is here. Yeah, I mean, there are 535 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: Southern salads for sure, oh yeah, and lots of things 536 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: that I would not consider even, like if you call 537 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: a tune a salad a salad, like ambrosia salad, that's 538 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: not a salad. I don't know. I think that it's 539 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: it's confusing ambrosio salad. If y'all have never had it, 540 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: it's a whole thing. Look it up. I don't know. 541 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: My dad makes it every year, but he doesn't call 542 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: ambrosius salad. I didn't know some people called it that. Yeah, 543 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: future questions, future episodes. Absolutely absolutely, Thank you so much 544 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: to both of them writing in. We would love to 545 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: hear from you if you'd like to email as you can. 546 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: Our email is hello at savor pod dot com. We're 547 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: also on social media. You can find us on Instagram, Twitter, 548 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: and Facebook at savor pod. We do hope to hear 549 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: from you. Thank you as always, super producer, Dylan, you're 550 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: doing the Lord's work, sir by googling and Broju salad um. 551 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: Thanks to you for listening, and we hope that lots 552 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: more good things are coming your way