WEBVTT - "MY BOSS PUT A CURSE ON ME" 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.680 What about your boss makes you believe that he has 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:05.520 the ability to levy curses. 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:08.840 I had everything going great for me, and then as 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.799 soon as I started working there a month in, I 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:13.680 wrecked my bike. 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:17.240 And there's like if you turn around for like just 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:19.079 a minute and then you turn back around again, the 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:19.880 man will just be gone. 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:21.640 Hold on, hold on, let's get into this. Let's get 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:22.279 into this here. 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:27.880 Hello, Hello, hey man, is this Lyle therapy techo? 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:30.280 Yeah? Is this Luke? 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:32.959 Yes? It is. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:34.840 How are you, Luke? 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:39.640 I could definitely be better. 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:49.000 You could definitely be better. Yes, I can hear distraughtness 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:50.479 in your voice. 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:56.480 Yeah. I don't know exactly what the call screener wrote down, but. 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.600 Uh well, let's forget about what the call screener wrote down. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:01.600 Why don't we want to just tell me what you 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:04.360 what did you want to talk about? 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:12.440 Just a couple of days ago, I went up towards 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:17.399 my old work where I ended up getting fired from, 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:23.000 and went sort of cliff jumping. The jumps were not 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:28.520 necessarily cliffs, and I ended up breaking my spine just 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:33.080 by hitting the water. And not even five minutes after that, 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:41.040 my dog ran away. Okay, not exactly sure what caused 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:44.240 it because it was just kind of an unexplainable freak accident. 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:50.840 But past October I ended up wrecking my motorcycle that 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.920 I had bought from the same place I worked at, 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:58.440 and I was pretty close to the place that I 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:02.400 had worked at. So I think my boss, who had 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:04.280 always had it out for me, may have something to 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:04.640 do with that. 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:08.640 You know, I know I said to forget about what 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:13.839 the call screener said, but it says here that you're 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:19.520 convinced that your boss cursed you, and that is why 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:24.480 you believe you have been the subject of so much misfortune. 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:29.000 Yes, I had everything going great for me up until 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:33.040 I ended up working at this place. And then as 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.960 soon as I started working there a month in I 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:41.160 wrecked my bike and then I spent a month in 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:41.960 the hospital. 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.320 And as soon as I got hold on, so hold on, 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:46.120 so hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's get into this. 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:52.760 Let's get into this here. You believe your boss cursed you, Yes, 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:59.000 like in some sort of mythical way, he put a 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:00.280 spell on you. 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:06.760 That or he cursed the bike. There's there's a million 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:10.400 different things that he could have done specifically. 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:16.160 So why do you believe that he would want to 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:16.680 curse you. 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:21.720 I mean, he had it out for me from day one, 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:26.359 and I was probably the only employee there that actually 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:30.799 stood up against him most of the time. There were 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:36.000 occasionally a few other employees that acted out, but I 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.000 was the rebel. 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:43.360 M what kinds of things would you stand up against 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:44.080 him for? 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:51.160 Just general unfair treatment? Like it was a it was 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:55.720 a motorcycle dealership, and I was a technician, so I 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.080 supposed to be working on the bikes, but instaid he 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:02.960 would have me or other people going and like cleaning 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.440 the floors or cleaning the restrooms. 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:12.240 So do you believe that your boss has some kind 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:16.760 of I don't know if you magic is the word, 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.520 But would you believe he has some sort of magical 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:24.239 powers that he can use to curse you? What about 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.760 your boss makes you believe that he has the ability 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:29.120 to levy curses. 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.640 So I actually have a buddy that worked there with 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.520 me here with me right now, and he was going 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:40.360 to help me explain some of this. But my boss 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:45.120 was from Louisiana before he moved here to Texas, and 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.279 of course in the area that he was in, voodoo 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:54.560 magic was quite common. So my buddy here has witnessed 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:58.960 some sort of unexplainable things revolving around the boss. He 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:00.919 can get more into that if you like. 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:05.000 Okay, let's talk to him real quick. Hell, hello, Hey, 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:10.400 what's your name? My name is Nathan, Nathan. Okay, Nathan. 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:15.719 So you work with Luke correct? 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:16.880 Yeah? 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.320 Well whenever whenever he still worked there with us. 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:24.520 Yeah, okay, so you worked with him, and I'm sure 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.160 he told you everything that was going on in his 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:30.960 life with a motorcycle accident and his his cliff jumping accident, 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.240 and his dog and all these sort of negative things 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:37.440 that are going on, and he believes that they're all 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.240 happening as a result of a curse put on him 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:44.839 by your boss, his former boss. What is your take 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:45.200 on that? 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:51.440 So, honestly, I've like, well, my boss, he's just kind 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:55.159 of like a really he's a really weird dude. And 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:59.440 there's like you can if you turn around for like 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.360 just a minute, and then you turn back around again, 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.640 the man will just be gone. He'll just kind of 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:09.159 like disappear. And then it's like like he's he's always 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.359 sending us on this like trivial tasks, and then like 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:13.599 he'll be back and he'll just like he'll he'll be 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:15.760 like completely gone, He'll his car will still be there, 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.479 but even like check the whole shop and he's nowhere 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:19.239 to be seen. 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:23.880 So you think he is genuinely a supernatural human being. 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:30.120 So I because of because of all of the like 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:34.680 stuff that's happened, uh in the last like in the 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:38.760 last while, since since the initial like motorcycle actment, actually 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.200 like looked up a bunch of this, uh, a bunch 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:46.840 of like this voodoo stuff, and honestly, it kind of 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:52.800 seems exactly exactly the the the kind of stuff he'd 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:53.239 be doing. 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:54.160 He he he. 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.360 Is a spiteful man, and it is a little bit 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:03.240 suspicious how much how how much like his hatred uh 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.480 effects really everyone he's around. 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:11.240 M hmm, okay, let me talk back to uh real quick. 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.200 I was gonna say, on top of that, there is 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:18.600 a a second level to the shop that we work 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:23.080 at that we are just not allowed to step put in. Yeah, 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:30.880 if anyone there, we immediately get called on the PA 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:34.040 or on the walkie talkie and told to come back down. 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:37.040 Due Actually there's some people expired for actually. 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.440 Going up there. M. 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:40.600 What do you guys think is up there? 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.640 Honestly, I have no idea, and I'm scared to ask. 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.000 I'm not willing to take that bullet and go up there. 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:53.360 Like m hm so, so I'm on speaker phone with 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:54.480 both of you guys. That sounds like. 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:56.720 Yes. 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:02.880 So, Luke, uh, have have you been Do you believe 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:08.440 the subject of any supernatural magic before in your life 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:10.320 or is this the first time that you believe? 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:11.640 No? 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:16.240 You this really be the first time I've ever experienced 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:16.920 anything like this. 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:21.200 Hmmm. Have you experienced other supernatural things in your life? 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.200 I wouldn't quite say supernatural, but I have experienced some 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:29.840 pretty unexplainable things. 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:30.520 M hm. 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:37.320 So, Nathan, are you afraid at all of any sort 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.760 of repercussions from your boss now that you've seen what 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:40.680 happens to Luke? 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:45.920 See, I was for a while, but kind of in 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.120 this this may have been a bit of an overreaction, 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.960 but I kind of kind of from my from my 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:57.000 little research, like Binge started taking some precautions, like like 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.680 I always have like a kind of protection like crystal 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.959 on me. I'm kind of like hoping that that'll ward 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:08.520 off ward off some of the scary, the scary shit 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:09.120 from happening. 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:15.960 Mm So, in your research, where you you've sort of 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:22.320 learned about these uh proactive protective measures like carrying these crystals. Yes, 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:27.480 but have you learned about anything reactive after the fact, 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.360 after having had a curse levied on you that you 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:33.920 believe that Luke could use in defense? 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:40.040 I have, but from what I've seen is a whole 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:45.160 lot more complicated. There's like a lot of like, I 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.280 don't know, the bloodshit freaks me out, so I kind 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.680 of stried to like avoid looking into it. But from 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:52.960 what I've seen, that's like half of what you can 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:56.400 do to like get rid of it. I don't know. 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:58.600 More of what I've seen is that it's easier to 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.679 prevent it from happening, it's a lot harder to like 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:03.199 undo it. 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.200 I'm trying to think, can you, like you can't you 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:10.120 can't like tell the police on this guy? Can you? 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:10.319 Is it? 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.040 It's not? I feel like it's not illegal to curse somebody. 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:18.560 No, it's not. It's not a crime, unfortunately, Although I 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.000 mean that might be good, like the little separation of 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:22.440 sures and state. Maybe it's a good thing. 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:23.160 It's not a crime. 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:31.480 Have you tried talking directly? I know that I can 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.560 sense that there's a little bit of intimidation there because 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.480 he has his weird secret room and the ability to 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.560 levy uh curses upon people. But if you tried just 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:43.920 talking to him about this and you know, be even 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:45.640 bringing up the fact that you think he might have 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:46.120 cursed you. 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:50.720 So the thing about this guy is that he's like 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:55.960 he's a big intimidating dude like this, this guy he, 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:00.559 if you like, have his focus directly all you. It's 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:04.280 kind of like you you feel smaller, you feel like 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.400 you're suffocating exactly. 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.920 Yet m. 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:18.800 Well, listen, guys, you know, I mean, look you personally, 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.960 I don't know how much I believe in curses and 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:30.120 supernatural things and whatnot. I'm very sorry to hear that 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.880 all of this stuff is happening to you, Luke. I 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:37.720 don't think you deserve any of it. But you know, 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:41.360 I hope that you can remain optimistic in the future 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:46.080 and not let the idea that you are cursed pervade 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.520 throughout your life. You know what I'm saying. 0:11:51.480 --> 0:12:01.679 Yeah, I'm working on it. Honestly, After the motorcycle accident, 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:06.440 I made some pretty significant advancements in my own life 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:11.040 and hoping that after there's some good things come with 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:11.480 it too. 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:18.760 What kind of advancements. 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:20.120 I got engaged and bought my own house. 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:25.000 Oh, I'd call that a blessing. That's the opposite of 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:25.439 a curse. 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:33.040 Right, Yeah, I'm not sure it really had anything to 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:36.560 do with it other than me being motivated to get 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:40.120 out of the situation I've been stuck in. Yeah, because 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:44.840 after after spending three months without being able to do 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:49.959 anything after the motorcycle accident, I was highly motivated to 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:51.160 change my situation. 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.360 Well, Luke man, listen, I appreciate you telling us all this. 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:57.439 It sounds like you have a good fit. It sounds 0:12:57.480 --> 0:12:59.680 like you and you and Nathan have a good thing 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.439 going on. So I'm glad that you have a supportive 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:06.920 friends in light of this curse. Is there anything else 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:08.160 you want to say to the people of the computer 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:08.679 before we go? 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.760 Uh? I mean, if you live in Texas and you 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.520 see a blonde colored dog that's part Border Collie, please 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:24.120 return it to me. Other than that, I mean, no, 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.200 don't piss off scary Booty Boston. 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:30.600 Thank you guys for calling. 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:33.360 Yeah, thank you. 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:40.920 All right, let's unpack that one. Okay, we have this guy, Luke, 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:52.880 a sweet man, A sweet man who unfortunately, has had 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:58.800 some bad things happened to him all at once. I 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.120 wasn't gonna say this while I was I was, I 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:03.880 might have did. I forget if I said it or not, 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:05.679 but I didn't want to be a dick about it. 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.480 I totally don't believe that that guy was cursed. People 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.959 who do believe in that stuff, you know, power to them. 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.560 Do what you want with your life. But what I 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:18.400 said at the end there, like, you know, the idea 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:20.600 of don't let the curse pervade throughout your life is 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:24.360 I hate the idea of Luke walking around after all 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:27.000 this bad stuff happened to him with the idea that 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:32.600 he's cursed. Because while I don't believe in fucking witchcraft 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:35.920 and crystals and stuff so much, I do believe that. 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:39.080 You know, if you are I believe in like perspective 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.400 and mindset and all that shit, And if you're walking 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:45.600 around with the mindset that you're cursed, then it wouldn't 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:50.200 surprise me if more cursed shit happens to you. So 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.160 that's the thing that bothers me the most. I think 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.800 about this whole thing, is the idea of Luke walking 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:59.400 around thinking that he's he's, you know, living his life 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.640 at the whim of his weird boss. As far as 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:06.720 what's going on in this or fucking room, no idea 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.560 when you mentioned, I wasn't on boy. In fact, you 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:11.360 know what, I know, I was just painting myself as 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:15.480 completely skeptic with no room for doubt. But when he 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:20.080 brought up the room, I was like, oh, I was 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.560 also a little bit like, you know, I don't know 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.920 what's in that room. There could be a cauldron in 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:30.160 that room. There could be spells in that room that 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.360 are causing all these things to happen to Luke. Another 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:37.840 thing I liked about that call was the relationship between 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:41.440 Luke and his friend. They seemed like they had a 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:46.120 close bond. They were both united together in the idea 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:51.400 that their boss is a fucking wizard, which is so 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:55.840 interesting because if you're I feel like people who believe 0:15:55.920 --> 0:16:00.760 that they've been cursed are typically alone, you know, like, 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.040 you think that your boss cursed you, and you're walking 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.040 around and you're telling your mom and your friends and 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.800 all that, and everyone thinks you're crazy and that just 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:12.480 makes things worse. But they have each other, and they 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:14.880 both and then you got and then you got Nathan 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:20.760 like doing research on to bed you know, to this point, 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.720 I guess, I guess for his own sake, not necessarily 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:25.800 for his friends, although possibly for his friends. That's why 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:27.920 I was asking him, you know, you have you found 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:35.560 any reactive post curse preventative measures for uh, for for Luke. 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:40.160 But I appreciate the camaraderie that I that I witnessed 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.360 between those guys. Towards the end of that call, I 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.600 didn't have anything to say. I don't have any advice. 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:48.600 It is I've said a lot of the times before 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.000 the show is not It's not really about me giving advice. 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:58.040 It's more about talking through and exploring things. But I 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:00.840 hope things look up for Luke. These seem like they are. 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.680 It says here, oh shit, it says he's only nineteen, 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:09.119 so a divorce is probably not that far away. But 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.240 after that he'll he'll Luke has a long life ahead 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:16.439 of him where I'm sure plenty of awful things will happen, 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.760 and I'm also sure plenty of very wonderful and amazing 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:26.040 things will happen, And hey, if it makes him feel better, 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:33.040 then I hope he carries around the crystals of happiness 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:37.400 or whatever whatever it is. I don't understand the crystals, 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:48.760 but but I don't have to Hello, Hello, Hi as Cam. Yeah, 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:53.280 holy shit, Hi Lyle, what is going on? Cam? 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:58.080 Holy shit? Okay, I'm so nervous. I actually called you 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:00.000 because I have ohne anxiety. 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:08.600 You know, I talked to a caller before that claimed 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.880 to have phone anxiety. I don't know if I put 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.840 that in one of these podcasts or anything like that, 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.520 but what I found interesting when I talked to them. 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:19.240 And I don't know what the case is with you, 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:26.600 but apparently phone anxiety is this very specific thing where, uh, 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.919 there's anxiety on the phone, but not in person. So, like, 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.680 let me ask you this. If I were standing right 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:35.960 in front of you and we were looking at each other, 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:39.080 and we were talking directly to each other's faces but 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.760 not over the phone, would that give you anxiety. 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.480 I'm not generally a pretty anxious person, but I would 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.960 say I would give me way less anxiety than being 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:49.920 on the phone. 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:51.480 Really, why is that? 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.880 I think it might be like a fear of miscommunication 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:58.480 or like not being clearly understood. I don't know exactly 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:00.159 if that makes sense, but like I kind of I. 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:03.800 Think it stems from that, that does make sense because 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:09.960 there's a lot of cues in the face. A large 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:15.680 percentage of communication is stuff other than the actual words, 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:20.160 so like the tone, the facial expression, the body language, 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.439 and so you only you're so you're really writing on 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:31.159 your words and your tone to express yourself. Yeah, okay, 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:36.600 So you're worried about misrepresenting yourself because it's a phone call, I. 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:38.520 Think, so, yeah, I'm really afraid I'm going to like 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:41.600 misspeak and not be able to like correct it or 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:43.880 like have it be offset by my body language. 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:50.840 Sure, maybe, Okay, So how in a perfect world, how 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:52.200 are you representing yourself? 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:55.120 Oh? 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:57.560 And then I guess it depends on the conversation. I mean, 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.240 right now, I just want to like, come on, is 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:02.359 like a chill person trying to have a conversation with 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:02.960 the gek. 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:09.600 You you are? You know, It's funny. I've had people 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:11.200 on this show all the time. I can and I 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:15.320 can kind of tell when somebody is clearly very nervous, 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:16.960 but you don't sound like you are. 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.560 I've been told and really good at disguising my anxiety. 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:24.280 So like that's great. I'm really glad. I'm like shaking 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:26.600 so bad and my heart is beating so bad. 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:29.080 I can't tell it all. 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:31.000 That's good. That's a good life skill. 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:34.919 I feel like, hmm, okay, So you have phone anxiety, 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:38.960 so you decided to uh take you decided to call 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:41.720 into a show so that thousands of people could listen 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:48.199 to you talk on the phone. Is there anything like 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.840 in particular that you wanted to talk about while we're here? 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:57.560 Honestly, don't really. I'm just I'm just open to any 0:20:57.560 --> 0:20:59.400 conversation if you want to lead it, or I can 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:03.080 like say something about like my life, like, it doesn't matter. 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:03.560 I'm good. 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:06.320 You sat you you know, I know you said you 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:08.760 wanted to come off as a chill person, and you're 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:13.520 coming off pretty chill. You've got that. Uh well, you've 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:18.080 got that that. I'm down with whatever kind of vibe. 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:20.200 I appreciate you, Lyle. 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:25.600 All right, why don't we talk at least briefly about 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:28.240 uh do you So you said you're a generally anxious person. 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:30.760 Oh yeah, yeah for sure. 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:34.840 Okay, what makes you the most anxious out of anything? 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:37.320 Public speaking? 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:43.879 Public speaking? So like, do you consider this to be 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.840 public speaking? Or are we talking like you in front 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:51.359 of an audience of people? Kind of speaking, I'm. 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:54.720 Mostly thinking about in front of audiences as people. I 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:57.440 am in graduate school right now, so I'm like having 0:21:57.440 --> 0:22:00.359 to give presentations to people that are like really well 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:03.640 like planned out, and that just sends me like over 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:04.159 the edge. 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:08.840 Uh. You have to give speeches, and those speeches that 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:10.800 you are giving are well planned out by you. 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:12.640 Yeah. 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.840 Yeah, like it's my own research, and like everything. 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:18.360 Does the fact that they are well planned out? Does 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:21.960 that empower you? Though? Because you you you sort of 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:23.639 are going in there with the plan of action. You 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:24.720 sound like you're well prepared. 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:28.680 Yeah, you would like think so, but no, it doesn't matter. 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:31.080 It's like doesn't really matter what I do. I've taken 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:33.760 medicine for it, no matter what happens. The second I 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:35.879 get up in front of people, I just start like 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:39.600 shaking and like I still get through it. But like 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:41.960 it's like people always tell me they're like that was good, 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:43.600 but you seem to really nervous. 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:46.480 Yeah, I mean it's a it's a terrifying thing. You know. 0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:50.760 I just did these live shows and I was terrified 0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:51.199 to do that. 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:53.879 You know. 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:57.080 The body, thank you very much. 0:22:57.119 --> 0:22:57.280 Man. 0:22:57.320 --> 0:23:02.159 It's it's funny. The body does whatever it wants. Regardless 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:05.399 of the mind, right because like before, you know, the 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:08.879 whole thing of like picture the whole audience in their underwear, 0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:10.960 and like you know, you can you can sort of 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:13.560 sit there and try to talk to your central nervous 0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:17.000 system and give it all these logical reasons as to 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:21.399 why you shouldn't feel anxious or nervous, and it just 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:28.560 won't listen. It'll just do whatever it's sort of it's 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:34.480 in it's kind of animalistic way, just whatever it's programmed 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:37.119 to do. It won't listen to your human logic and 0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:40.840 reason because it's acting off of this weird animal instinct 0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:44.600 that I couldn't you know, sort of describe any further 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:45.240 than that, But. 0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:49.800 Yeah, for sure, that reminds me something one of my friends, Vince, 0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:52.679 told me this one time. It was something like, weird 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:56.320 gods living in animal bodies. All the logic in the 0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:58.639 world and like all the like brain power in the 0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:02.400 world cannot overcome the fact you're like a pissing, shitting, 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:06.120 like fucking eating human. And that's just how it is. 0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:09.640 I know, that's one hundred percent true. You're a pissing, shitting, 0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:17.560 coming snotty, sweaty, disgusting animal. But you have the brain 0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:22.879 of a god. It's kind of a wild thing. Okay, 0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:27.920