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Speaker 1: Hello, They're happy Thursday, and welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: the Chuck Podcast. This is our last upload of the week,

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Speaker 1: barring any breaking news or any canceling of people due

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Speaker 1: to the violations of the First Amendment. I'm only half

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Speaker 1: teasing on that, but I've got sort of a pot

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Speaker 1: pirie of things. Not to copy SVU rip from the headlines,

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Speaker 1: but actually, frankly, it's a little bit. I didn't get

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Speaker 1: to do my campaign update this week yesterday because we

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Speaker 1: I had a lot going on there. So we're we're

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Speaker 1: going to do a little bit of quite a bit's

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Speaker 1: happened on the campaign trail, both in campaign twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five and in campaign twenty twenty six. And I actually

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Speaker 1: do want to spend a few minutes on this the

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Speaker 1: mom the Mom Donnie dilemma inside the Democratic Party, because

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Speaker 1: it's it's become the theater of the absurd, but in

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Speaker 1: many ways it's symbolic of the problems the Democrats have

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Speaker 1: right now, not figuring out they have their own identity crisis,

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Speaker 1: and of course they still don't know how to deal

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Speaker 1: with Donald Trump and trump Ism. But I'm going to

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Speaker 1: begin with the latest challenge essentially to the Constitution that

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Speaker 1: we're dealing with and the latest challenge to sort of

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Speaker 1: norms and the law enforcement agencies, and that is apparently

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Speaker 1: and it's been telegraphed, which makes it all the more alarming.

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Speaker 1: James Coley, the former FBI director, probably one of the

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Speaker 1: few people that is unpopular on the left and the

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Speaker 1: right simultaneously in ways that are that inspire anger on

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Speaker 1: the left and the right. He is unique among is

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Speaker 1: sort of a one of one in that aspect, right,

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Speaker 1: the anger and the venom that can come out when

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Speaker 1: you mentioned Comy's name to somebody with an experience from

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Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen campaign on the Democratic side or somebody

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Speaker 1: in Trump world that dealt with the impeachments on the

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Speaker 1: other side of things, is he is a one of

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Speaker 1: one on this. But regardless of your personal feelings of

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Speaker 1: James Comy, how the administration is going about and trying

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Speaker 1: to quote unquote target the president's enemies is really sort

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Speaker 1: of creating real problems I think with the rule of

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Speaker 1: law right now. Look half the country. Donald Trump has

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Speaker 1: spent the last six years convincing half the country that

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Speaker 1: every charge that he has ever faced was a weaponization

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Speaker 1: of the law against him for political reasons. Right, he

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Speaker 1: does not accept the premise that he has done anything

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Speaker 1: at all wrong ever, whether it was what he did

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Speaker 1: on January sixth, or what he did in his own businesses,

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Speaker 1: or what he did to Eging Carol, all of those things,

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Speaker 1: right is it is for him he is quite successfully

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Speaker 1: with at least thirty to forty percent of the country,

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Speaker 1: convinced them that every single charge he's ever faced, under

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Speaker 1: every circumstances was just drummed up by his political opponents.

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Speaker 1: Now both things can be true at the same time.

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Speaker 1: He committed offenses, he committed crimes, and his political opponents,

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Speaker 1: we're trying to get him and we're trying to hold

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Speaker 1: him accountable for what he did. So that is one

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Speaker 1: of those things where there's not a there's not a

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Speaker 1: conspiracy here. There was a There was certainly an agenda

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Speaker 1: and a drive. And look, I think that we can

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Speaker 1: sit here and debate whether the pylon ended up benefiting

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Speaker 1: him right when there was arguably you focus on what

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Speaker 1: he did on January sixth and what he did as president,

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Speaker 1: and the decision, you know, to go after him in

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Speaker 1: the various state courts came across like a pylon and

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Speaker 1: did give him martyrdom status at least among his supporters.

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Speaker 1: And it is one of those where you know he

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Speaker 1: is a claimed there was coordination, but considering how messed

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Speaker 1: it up, it all ended up there was no coordination,

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Speaker 1: and that was actually part of the problem. Had they

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Speaker 1: actually been coordinating, I don't think Letitia James does what

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Speaker 1: different focus. And look, we always forget here how poorly

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Speaker 1: Merrick Garland handled all of this where he allowed himself

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Speaker 1: president at the time. And the whole rationale for appointing

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Speaker 1: the attorney General Merrick Garland at the time was to

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Speaker 1: to be the most difficult potential indictment that the federal

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Speaker 1: government has ever brought against somebody. But he watched it.

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Speaker 1: And here we are, so Trump, we know this right

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Speaker 1: when we last picked up in our soap opera ear

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Speaker 1: he has fired the previous US attorney in the Eastern

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Speaker 1: District of Virginia because, as he wrote in his tweet,

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Speaker 1: he is you know, this is killing him. They have

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Speaker 1: no credibility if they don't bring indictments against Komy and

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Speaker 1: Shiff in particular, right he named checked Komy and Schiff

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Speaker 1: What are you doing? So he's got a new US

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Speaker 1: Komy is close here. There's the clock is ticking. What

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Speaker 1: they want to charge him with is lying to Congress

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Speaker 1: and he did it in testimony in September of twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: and he is coming up where if they if this

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Speaker 1: October and they don't indict him, they can't. Essentially time

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Speaker 1: will have run out. Right. There's sort of a five

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Speaker 1: And so they can't bring that charge. If they don't

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Speaker 1: bring it soon. Now, remember in Donald Trump's tweet, he

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Speaker 1: doesn't care whether they're the indictment sticks. He just wants

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Speaker 1: the indictment. He wants them to spend money. Right, he's

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Speaker 1: He's going to fillow lawsuit and he wants his political

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Speaker 1: enemies to drown in paperwork to pay legal bills. And

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Speaker 1: in his mind, this is this is retribution. Right, if

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Speaker 1: he had to deal with this, so should Comy, if

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Speaker 1: he had to deal with this, social Leticia James, right,

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Speaker 1: and so and obviously Adam. It's interesting to me by

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Speaker 1: the way that he goes after Adam Shiff but not

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Speaker 1: Jamie Raskin. Right, He goes after the first impeachment lead prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: who was Adam Schiff, but not the second impeachment leading prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Jamie Askin was prosecuting the January sixth insurrection

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Speaker 1: and he got a handful of Republicans to support his cause.

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Speaker 1: Schiff was part of something that was only Democrats were

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Speaker 1: on the side of impeaching him on that. So perhaps

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Speaker 1: that's why he doesn't target Jamie Raskin. But the Komi

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Speaker 1: indictment's apparently coming and I think it's going to be fascinating.

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Speaker 1: There's a few things to watch here. When can they

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Speaker 1: get a grand jury? Right? Donald Trump is telegraphed that

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Speaker 1: this is a that he has politicized this prosecution. Right.

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Speaker 1: He got angry that the previous US attorney said there

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Speaker 1: wasn't enough evidence to bring charges. So he said, I

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Speaker 1: the US attorney. He has successfully done that, and now

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Speaker 1: care if there's a conviction. But here's the problem, and

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Speaker 1: this is, you know, if I were to say I

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Speaker 1: in this independent space, it's to get everybody to realize

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Speaker 1: why two wrongs don't make a right, and actually why

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Speaker 1: two wrongs are destructive to the American experiment. So Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump spent six years convincing all of his supporters that

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Speaker 1: every law enforcement agency in the government was corrupt, and

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Speaker 1: now in a nine short months, he has put his

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Speaker 1: he has made sure he's got his people in these agencies,

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Speaker 1: and he's got them doing things that are very political. Right,

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Speaker 1: he is doing what he believes was done against him.

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Speaker 1: There's no evidence that it was, but he doesn't care,

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Speaker 1: and he just sees hey, eye for an eye, right,

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Speaker 1: this is sort of old Testament justice in his head.

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Speaker 1: Eye for an eye. You indicted my guy me, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to figure out how to get back at you.

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Speaker 1: But here's the unintended consequence. And I think you've heard

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Speaker 1: me use this analogy before. An old reporter friend of mine,

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Speaker 1: Matt Cooper, I think so at Washington Monthly now, a

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Speaker 1: lot of us in politics think we're funny. Matt Cooper

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Speaker 1: and he actually had a for a political reporter. He's

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Speaker 1: pretty funny. But he had a great little satirical joke

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Speaker 1: about beer and about at about how sort of how

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Speaker 1: Democrats and Republicans attack each other. And he says, imagine

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Speaker 1: if beer companies use the same tactics. And like I said,

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Speaker 1: some of you have heard me use quote him before

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Speaker 1: on this. You know, so bud Light and miller Lite

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Speaker 1: are attacking each other. You know, bud Light runs the

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Speaker 1: bud Light Super Pac Americans for drinking bud Light says,

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Speaker 1: miller Lite claims it's less filling. But what they don't

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Speaker 1: tell you is that it's made with these ingredients. And

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Speaker 1: they you know, read all these all those seven and

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Speaker 1: eight syllable words that are on the ingredients of the

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Speaker 1: beer bottle. What aren't they telling you about? Right? And

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Speaker 1: then of course there'd be an equal and opposite response.

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Speaker 1: Bud Light thinks it's the best beer to having a

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Speaker 1: football game. But did you know when people drink bud Light,

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Speaker 1: they're more likely to you know, kill baby seals. And

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Speaker 1: my apologies to baby seals, and I know bud Light

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Speaker 1: my future sponsors. I have kid here. But the point is,

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Speaker 1: They'd stop drinking beer. They'd lose that much trust and

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Speaker 1: in some ways, so now Donald Trump has spent all

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Speaker 1: And now he's actually politicizing it. And we see this

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Speaker 1: The most astonishing aspect of the entire Tom Holman story

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Speaker 1: a there's no denial that he took the fifty grand,

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Speaker 1: and be there just sort of like nothing to see here.

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Speaker 1: We've just shut down the investigation. I mean, it's you're

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Speaker 1: just like, are we really living in normal times? Right?

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Speaker 1: Or are we? Or did Biff take the gambling book

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Speaker 1: and we went back in time and we living on

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Speaker 1: some alternative timeline? Right? Sometimes I buy into the alternative

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Speaker 1: timeline thing all the time because you see his behavior

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Speaker 1: and you're like, at some point, Sasha Barrack Cohen is

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Speaker 1: going to rip off his Trump mask and tell us

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Speaker 1: that this has been a gag the whole time, right,

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Speaker 1: like that there's not a zero percent chance of this, right,

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Speaker 1: there's like a point five percent chance. You know, Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is is the biggest Sasha Baric Cohen gag that

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Speaker 1: we've ever ever had. President Bor at but in all seriousness,

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Speaker 1: she got one side not believe in it. Now you're

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Speaker 1: going to use and politicize the Justice Department of the FBI.

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Speaker 1: And there's already a Congressman Mark V says, I don't

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Speaker 1: trust anything. The FBI says, right, they have the over.

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Speaker 1: Overnight we had another attack on an ICE facility. This

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Speaker 1: is very troubling, and apparently it is anti people who

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Speaker 1: are angry at ICE. It's it's it's certainly coming coming. Uh,

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Speaker 1: certainly politicized violence. Uh. And I please, will everybody stop

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Speaker 1: trying to decide whose side is more prone to violence.

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Speaker 1: The fact of the matter is nobody's hands are clean,

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Speaker 1: and violence is only going to get more violence. All right,

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Speaker 1: we have to turn down the rhetoric. Turn down these things, right,

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Speaker 1: the world who are nervous about this happy. Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 1: and Akiem Jeffries are totally at this point. If you

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Speaker 1: come if Schumer or Jeffries comes out and supports them,

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Speaker 1: it is okay for me. If you are wondering, is

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Speaker 1: there a gun behind their back that I can't see?

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Speaker 1: Is this a hostage video when they put it out,

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure they if they do it, they'll do

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Speaker 1: it so they don't have to take questions, which means

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Speaker 1: it'll come across as some terrible video. If at this point,

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Speaker 1: if you have an endorsed Mom Donnie, it means you're uncomfortable,

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Speaker 1: so say the word I get it. If not him,

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Speaker 1: who And if you live in New York City, what

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Speaker 1: are you supposed to do if you're Akiem Jefferies. Now

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Speaker 1: he's also in the uncomfortable position where he wants to

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Speaker 1: be Speaker of the House and he needs the votes

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Speaker 1: of all Democrats of all stripes that get elected. And

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Speaker 1: there's plenty of swing state Democrats who think socialism is

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Speaker 1: a is a piece of carry on baggage for the

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Speaker 1: party that is just too heavy to carry over the

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Speaker 1: finish line. Maybe you can survive in a midterm, but

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be awfully hard in twenty twenty eight. But

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Speaker 1: the absurdity of basically not doing it at this point,

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Speaker 1: I think we've all learned that. I do think the

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Speaker 1: voter respects authenticity. I think we all know that. I

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Speaker 1: think the voter will respect disagreeing if you're straightforward about

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Speaker 1: it and you explain yourself, but trying to trying to

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Speaker 1: sort of him and haw and trying to have it

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Speaker 1: both ways. Well, of course I support the Democratic nominee. Again,

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Speaker 1: you could have gotten away with that in the first

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Speaker 1: couple of days. That could have been a standard answer

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Speaker 1: It wasn't my first choice for the primary, but I

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Speaker 1: believe in standing by the party, and if the party

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Speaker 1: wants to support them, you know, I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: stop it. That's how you could have gotten out of

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Speaker 1: this and done it on day one. But it's pretty

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Speaker 1: clear that they've been looking. They're waiting to see if

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Speaker 1: this is ever going to turn into a one on one.

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Speaker 1: But of course, the original sin here, and you know

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Speaker 1: how I love to throw that phrase around, The original

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Speaker 1: sin here is looking the other way when Cuomo came

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Speaker 1: in as if he was a good idea as a candidate.

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Speaker 1: You know, so I I you know, I look at

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Speaker 1: both Schumer and Jeffries on this one and think and

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Speaker 1: hokeel the three of them. I'll throw in, Letitia James,

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Speaker 1: if you're the leaders of the Democratic Party, how did

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Speaker 1: you just look the other way when Andy Cuomo decided

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Speaker 1: to show up? And how did you guys naively think

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Speaker 1: that he was going to be able to win that primary?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it is one of the more astonishing developments.

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Speaker 1: But I do think at this point do or don't do?

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Speaker 1: Explain yourself, but don't do this mushy metal stuff. You know,

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Speaker 1: And in some ways you know, I'm sure Kamala Harris

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Speaker 1: wasn't fully thinking that she was going to get asked

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Speaker 1: the Mom Donnie question, although if you watch a litle

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Speaker 1: bit of MSNBC you should have known that it might

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Speaker 1: be coming. Maybe she wasn't prepared for it. But I

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Speaker 1: don't think it served her well on that front. And look,

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Speaker 1: she was possibly speaking as a party leader who didn't

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Speaker 1: want to offend any Democrat of any stripe, which I understand,

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Speaker 1: but you need to be a little bit clear eyed,

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Speaker 1: and if you're going to endorse him, endorse them. Hulkl

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Speaker 1: did it. I think she had her own political reasons

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Speaker 1: to do it. She's getting challenged. She could have a

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Speaker 1: serious primary challenge from her former lieutenant governor, and the

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Speaker 1: challenge would come from the left. But it's a watching

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Speaker 1: this sort of democratic hand ringing. It doesn't inspire a

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Speaker 1: lot of confidence in the party for people looking for

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Speaker 1: confidence in a democratic party that still doesn't know who

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Speaker 1: it is, still feels pretty leaderless, and in some ways

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Speaker 1: this mom Donnie hand ringing is only symbolic of the

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Speaker 1: problems the party has. And look, until they have a

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Speaker 1: nominee in twenty eight I think we're going to have

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Speaker 1: a lot of this sort of a lot of these

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Speaker 1: conversations about boy, there Democrats don't know how to row

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Speaker 1: in the same direction these days. Speaking of New York Democrats,

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Speaker 1: though I have not had a chance to weigh in

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Speaker 1: on the news from the world of AOC alexandri Ocasio Cortes,

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Speaker 1: they put out word that she's looking at running for

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Speaker 1: something else in twenty twenty eight, either for the US

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Speaker 1: Senate Chuck Schumer Steed is up in twenty twenty eight,

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Speaker 1: or for president. I think what's interesting is she's already

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Speaker 1: hinting it where she's leaning. While she's done the Bernie tour,

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Speaker 1: she's also quietly spent her summer doing meet and greets

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Speaker 1: and getting to know folks in upstate New York. I

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Speaker 1: have to tell you, this is just another reminder to

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Speaker 1: me that AOC is one smart and savvy political here's

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Speaker 1: a political, elected political official who's also pretty politically savvy.

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Speaker 1: I don't think she can win the presidency, certainly not

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight, and I don't think the Democratic

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Speaker 1: nomine's ready to the Democratic Party is ready to go

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Speaker 1: that liberal, as I just pointed out. But she could

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Speaker 1: win a senency, and I would be I don't think

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer is running again. You know, there's a reason

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Speaker 1: he didn't say whether he was running again normally, you

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Speaker 1: know he didn't. He didn't I at this point, right,

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Speaker 1: he's he would lose a generational he would lose to

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Speaker 1: her or somebody else in a generational way. Now, look,

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer's a tough pull. He's a tough Paul. But

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Speaker 1: I mean that as a compliment the guy has. The

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Speaker 1: guy's had a very successful career as leader of the party.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's not a policy visionary, but he's never

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Speaker 1: pretended to be a policy visionary. He's had his day

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Speaker 1: in the sun. I would say, I think in the

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Speaker 1: last couple of cycles he kind of lost his fastball.

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Speaker 1: He'd get behind candidates that were the wrong candidates. He'd

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Speaker 1: get behind he'd tried to clear primary fields. He semi

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Speaker 1: successfully do it for bad nominees. In some cases he'd

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Speaker 1: do it and that nominee would lose, and that would

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Speaker 1: become embarrassing. It has been interesting to watch the d

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Speaker 1: SEC this cycle. They've been trying to get behind candidates,

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Speaker 1: and outside of Sharon Brown and Ohio, they've had a

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Speaker 1: hard time. You know, they have a preference. In Iowa,

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Speaker 1: three other people have jumped in. They have a preference.

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Speaker 1: In Michigan, two other people jumped in, they have a preference.

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Speaker 1: In Minnesota, six people have jumped in. I believe they

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Speaker 1: have a preference. In Texas, there's already a couple of

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Speaker 1: candidates in that race. So it is interesting that Schumer

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Speaker 1: has lost all of that kind of influence and the

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Speaker 1: DCC has lost all that kind of influence. So I

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Speaker 1: don't expect him to run again. So I look at

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Speaker 1: what the AOC is doing, and the fact that she

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Speaker 1: put out both tells me it's she's going to run

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Speaker 1: for the Senate, and that's probably going to be the

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Speaker 1: most covered US Senate race since a woman named Hillary

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Speaker 1: Clinton ran for New York Senate back in two thousand.

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Speaker 1: In fact, it was in a presidential I remember the

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Speaker 1: two thousand presidential races to me, right, the overtime, the recount,

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Speaker 1: all of those things. I always said, you know, the

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Speaker 1: two thousand election was an election, and nobody realized was

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Speaker 1: important until after we held the vote, and the coverage

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Speaker 1: itself was that way. The Hillary Clinton candidacy got almost

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Speaker 1: equal billing with Bush v. Gore at the time, and

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Speaker 1: that maybe why the race itself ended up essentially a

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Speaker 1: virtual tie. A few other interesting nuggets here, Lisa Murkowski

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Speaker 1: going public saying that she's not ruled out running for

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Speaker 1: governor of Alaska in twenty twenty six. Her father was governor.

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Speaker 1: He's the one that lost in a primary to Sarah Palin.

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Speaker 1: In fact, he's one of the losing a primary is

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Speaker 1: a sitting governor is one of the most unique things

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Speaker 1: to happen in American politics, and Frank Murkowski is one

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Speaker 1: that did it. Frank Murkowski basically lost because he appointed

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Speaker 1: his daughter to the Senate see to replace him. He

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Speaker 1: was senator and then he became governor. That was a

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Speaker 1: real that that type of nepotism didn't play well. Now,

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Speaker 1: over time, Lisa Murkowski earned the support of Alaskans and

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Speaker 1: I now think she is clearly her own person. But

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Speaker 1: it's interesting to see that, you know, everything's coming full circle.

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Speaker 1: She's thinking about running for governor, which is a little

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Speaker 1: surprising because Mary Petola, the former Democratic at large House

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Speaker 1: member there she's being recruited by Washington Democrats to run

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Speaker 1: for the US Senate seat that's held by Dan Sullivan,

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Speaker 1: and she's being recruited by Alaska Democrats run for governor,

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Speaker 1: and I think she has a real shot at winning

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Speaker 1: the governorship. I do not think Peltola could win a

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Speaker 1: Senate race against Sullivan. Sullivan is not Maga. Dan Sullivan

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Speaker 1: is a John McCain type of Republican. He's Ian Murkowski

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Speaker 1: have much more in common than he has in common

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Speaker 1: with say a Tad Cruise. Now, I think if he

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Speaker 1: heard me say that, he'd secretly agree and publicly have

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Speaker 1: to say that's not true, that's not true, because he

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to get primary from the right on that front.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's a tough race. I think it's

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Speaker 1: tough for Patola to turn Sullivan into a trumpet, a trumper.

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Speaker 1: It's just not I think that's a tough thing to do.

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Speaker 1: It's if it were an open seat, would it be winnable? Sure,

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Speaker 1: And the governor's race is an open seat. Ironically, the

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Speaker 1: term limited governor is already announced that he's going to

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Speaker 1: run for murkowski Senate seat in twenty twenty eight. So

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Speaker 1: now it's interesting to hear Murkowski say she's publicly thinking

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Speaker 1: about it. We shall find out, you know, Soonish enough.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why anybody wants to be in the

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Speaker 1: Senate right now. And we've already seen Michael Bennett in Colorado.

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Speaker 1: Screw this, I want to run for governor of Colorado,

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Speaker 1: Marshall Blackburn at screw this. I want to run for

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Speaker 1: governor of Tennessee. The football coach Tommy Tupperville, who never

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Speaker 1: really understood being a senator. Now he's going to be governor.

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Speaker 1: We'll see how that works out. But he also wants

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Speaker 1: out of Washington. Washington ain't a fun place right now

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Speaker 1: in the US Senate, and the US Senate isn't what

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Speaker 1: the US Senate used to be. It's basically just run

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Speaker 1: by the two leaders, and you don't really get to

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Speaker 1: do anything. So, you know, the one thing Murkowski in

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Speaker 1: her own way, because she is a wild card vote,

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Speaker 1: right She's not a vote Republicans can count on. You

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Speaker 1: never know where she's going to go. She has leverage

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Speaker 1: and that makes it least. I think her time in

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Speaker 1: the Senate interesting where she gets to be involved in

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Speaker 1: a lot more of of the process. But if you

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Speaker 1: told me she was exhausted from doing that, and she

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Speaker 1: enjoys living in Alaska, she's not somebody that enjoys living

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Speaker 1: here in Washington. I think if she could find a

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Speaker 1: path to win, she would do this. The trouble is,

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Speaker 1: could she win a primary or would she run as

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Speaker 1: an independent? And I think that would be an obviously

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Speaker 1: with the rank choice voting, that's a way in, but fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Keep an eye on that couple of quick nuggets about

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Speaker 1: sort of my economic canaries in the coal mine. I

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Speaker 1: think it's worth noting. I don't know if you noticed this,

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Speaker 1: but while most food companies this was in the New

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Speaker 1: York Times a couple of days ago, while most food

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Speaker 1: companies are seeing declined and consumer demand for their product,

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Speaker 1: sales of Hamburger helper are up fourteen and a half

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Speaker 1: percent in the year through August. That is according to

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Speaker 1: the company that owns Hamburger Helper, Eagle foods Now. In

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Speaker 1: the seventies, hamburger helper became famous. It was a staple

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Speaker 1: on American dinner tables because during that huge period of

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Speaker 1: stagflation and inflation. This is what I grew up with.

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Speaker 1: Hamburger helper was seen as how you took a little

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Speaker 1: bit of meat and stretched it out. It was a

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Speaker 1: way to take a pound of ground beat and turn

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Speaker 1: it into an entire meal for four to five. So

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Speaker 1: it was you know, as people are pinching pennies, you

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Speaker 1: look for these little signs that the economy is contracting.

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Speaker 1: The fact that Hamburger Helper sales are back up and

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Speaker 1: haven't been back up says something. By the way, purchases

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Speaker 1: of rice is up seven and a half percent. You

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Speaker 1: know you're starting to see more distressed shoppers buying more

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Speaker 1: Kansas tuna, salm and sardines. When you see canned meats,

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Speaker 1: rice and beans Hamburger Helper, this is a sign of

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Speaker 1: people trying to pinch pennies because the cost to live

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Speaker 1: has gotten to high. One other canary in the coal

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Speaker 1: mine cardboard box demand. This is what I got from

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Speaker 1: my friend John Ellis, who runs news Items. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I highly recommend subscribing to his substack news Items. It

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Speaker 1: is terrific he has. He shares. John Alis shares some

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Speaker 1: interests that I share. He loves space, he loves technology, science,

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Speaker 1: there's always he never misses. He's like in some ways

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Speaker 1: he doesn't realize this, even though I know he's a

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Speaker 1: political jock. For those of you, John Ellis is a

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Speaker 1: cousin of the Bushes. He is a Bush, but he

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Speaker 1: was his mom's a Bush, his father's and Ellis and

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Speaker 1: in fact Jeb for those of you about Jeb Bush,

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Speaker 1: j Eb, that's actually John Ellis Bush. Those are his

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Speaker 1: initials and that's why he was always known as Jeb.

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Speaker 1: But he and John Ellis are first cousin. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: John Ellis has this terrific substack news items, and this

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Speaker 1: was in his news item about cardboard box demand slumping.

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Speaker 1: Another potential warning sign about the health of the American

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Speaker 1: consumer given that goods ranging from pizzas to ovens are

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Speaker 1: transported in corrugated packaging i e. Cardboard, and we have

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Speaker 1: had an historic run of pulp mill closures, signaling problems

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Speaker 1: for companies that make corrugated packaging as well as timberland

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Speaker 1: owners who sell them. Would International Paper, which is the

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Speaker 1: country's biggest box maker. This is all from the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal. By the way, announced last month the shutdown

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Speaker 1: of two US container board mills, which make the brown

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Speaker 1: paper that is sold that is folded into the corrugated packaging.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that demand is down, meaning you're getting

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Speaker 1: fewer Amazon boxes to your house, you're going fewer anyway.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to sound doom and gloomish, but we were.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm just living in reality. This consumer economy stinks,

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Speaker 1: and it's the economy looks better than it is. The

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Speaker 1: stock market is on a high thanks to AI investment

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Speaker 1: and sort of crypto, what I would call sort of

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Speaker 1: the legalization the legalization of crypto essentially right, it is

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Speaker 1: created sort of wealth that was sort of hidden wealth.

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Speaker 1: So we have the sort of new wealth that has

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Speaker 1: created it is what happens is they legalize some of

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Speaker 1: this crypto, the guys that owned a whole bunch of

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Speaker 1: it are hurrying up and selling it, trading it in

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Speaker 1: and buying Microsoft and Google and Amazon, sort of the

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Speaker 1: Big Apple, those big those big large cap companies that

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Speaker 1: are almost feel like treasury bills these days, if you

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Speaker 1: own a sheriff stock in them, which is why those

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Speaker 1: companies shares keep going up as people trade in all

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Speaker 1: of that. The point is it's painting an artificial picture

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Speaker 1: of a healthy economy. If you have money, you're doing

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Speaker 1: okay in this economy, although you've probably noticed your power

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Speaker 1: bills up and all this other stuff is up. But

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Speaker 1: if you didn't have a lot of savings in the

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Speaker 1: sock market and your paycheck to paycheck or almost paycheck

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Speaker 1: to paycheck. This economy sucks and these are just a

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Speaker 1: few examples. So with that, I will pause there. I

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoy my conversation with doctor Michael Osterholm. I'm

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Speaker 1: not here to freak out about the next pandemic. Which

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Speaker 1: you will hear though, is what a responsible way public

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Speaker 1: health should work. And we need some reform obviously in

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Speaker 1: the public health space, so that we'll sneak in a

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Speaker 1: break for those of you listening to the to Everything

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Speaker 1: in one download Michael oster Home when we come back.

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Speaker 1: All right, let me take a few questions as Chuck.

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Speaker 1: This question comes from Kevin B's, a high school social

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Speaker 1: studies teacher from Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. He says, check with Trump

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Speaker 1: going after media kim OL, CBS, PHNOPLIS, etc. At what

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Speaker 1: point does he turn his glare to podcasts, especially those

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Speaker 1: from established media NBC or c and N versus independent

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Speaker 1: media or do podcasts have more protections? I can see

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Speaker 1: scenarios where Trump threatens platforms like Apple Spotify to remove

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Speaker 1: unfavorable podcas casters. Curious to hear your thoughts well, Kevin. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I'm very concerned about this because, well, for obvious reasons,

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Speaker 1: I'm on here, right, but think about the primary platform

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Speaker 1: for independent journalists right now here, they're essentially three platform

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Speaker 1: four platforms, right There's the Google controlled YouTube, there's Spotify,

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Speaker 1: there's Apple, and there's sub stack. Does the government have

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Speaker 1: ways to apply pressure to Apple? Are there tariffs on iPhones?

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Speaker 1: Does the government have way to put pressure on Google? Hmm?

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Speaker 1: I wonder you see where I'm going here. I am

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Speaker 1: quite concerned essentially in all of this consolidation, and I

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Speaker 1: do think and by the way, I'm pretty convinced now

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of state attorneys general that are going

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Speaker 1: that are going to have some ability to call into

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Speaker 1: question this merger of all the local TV affiliates between

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Speaker 1: Nexttar and Tegna, which was of course what the FCC

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Speaker 1: used to inspire Next Star to do what they're doing

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Speaker 1: in Sinclair's there's this effort to remove the caps that

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Speaker 1: these entities. You know, how many quote unquote local news

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Speaker 1: organizations can you own? And there was always a cap.

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Speaker 1: We want to keep it below fifty percent. There was

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Speaker 1: a cap at one time. It was in the thirties

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Speaker 1: and it's likely. You know, there's already been telegraphing of this.

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Speaker 1: That's why Tegna and Nextstar decided to merge when Trump

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Speaker 1: got elected. I promise you, if Air's got elected, this

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Speaker 1: Techna and Next Star thing doesn't happen, because there is

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Speaker 1: not going to be an FCC from the left that

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Speaker 1: would approve a merger that large. But I'm not one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent convinced that that merger is going to make

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Speaker 1: it through challenges from state's attorney generals and all of that,

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Speaker 1: because you're going to have a lot of duopolies that

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Speaker 1: are created. Right Nexttar and Tegna as the parent companies

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Speaker 1: for all these locally owned TV stations, if they own

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Speaker 1: in the same mark, they'll create a duopoly and essentially

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Speaker 1: they're going to take away choice from consumers. And that's

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Speaker 1: where an attorney general can step in, particularly a state

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Speaker 1: attorney general. So I am quite nervous about this consolidation

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Speaker 1: of distribution. Right The biggest challenge we have in media,

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Speaker 1: whether you're at a legacy television network like CBSABC or

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Speaker 1: NBC Fox By the way, I feel this way about

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Speaker 1: Foxy and MSNBC as well. Okay, all these entities, or

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Speaker 1: you're an independent broadcaster on YouTube. The fact of the

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Speaker 1: matter is it is four or five tech companies and

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Speaker 1: their algorithms that control our ability to distribute. You know,

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Speaker 1: when Facebook decided to change its algorithm, Tucker Carlston's Daily

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Speaker 1: Caller suddenly lost half of its traffic. You know, that

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Speaker 1: is it doesn't matter what you think of the Daily Caller.

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Speaker 1: The fact that a company could be so powerful is

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Speaker 1: to change an algorithm and can essentially bankrupt a news organization.

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Speaker 1: That's the type of power that should scare us, right,

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Speaker 1: consolidated power. This is something that there are the real

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Speaker 1: conservatives that I know fear consolidated power regardless, right. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is where I think Ted Cruz was reminded of

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Speaker 1: his conservative stripes, right, which is why he spoke out

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Speaker 1: against Brendan Karr on this. Steve Bannon has talked about

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Speaker 1: consolidated power, and he is his nervousness of it, right,

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Speaker 1: he thought there was too much power in the government

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Speaker 1: had But he's also not crazy about all the power

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Speaker 1: that an Apple has, for instance. Right. So I think

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Speaker 1: this is a huge challenge, and I think the first

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Speaker 1: place to begin is to challenge this merger of Tegna

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Speaker 1: and Nexstar. I think it's a I think it's if

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Speaker 1: it gets allowed to go through, you're going to see

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Speaker 1: more consolidation, and it's possible. You know this, you know

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. There have been some people that have questioned

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Speaker 1: whether Comcast should have been allowed to get NBC Universal.

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Speaker 1: In the minute that they got NBC Universal, it sort

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Speaker 1: of greenlit all these other potential mergers. So and then,

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Speaker 1: of course you have the Ellisons who may end up,

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Speaker 1: thanks to this FCC not just control of CBS and Paramount,

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Speaker 1: but then also Warner Brothers and CNN. Again, that's that's

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Speaker 1: a big chunk, and you're essentially going to have the

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Speaker 1: Murdocks controlling all things Fox, the Ellisons controlling all things

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Speaker 1: CBS and CNN and Paramount and Warner Brothers. Comcast is

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Speaker 1: in charge of all things Universal and NBC. Sure, I'm

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Speaker 1: going here, right, it's just a handful of companies. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: you've got one man in charge of an algorithm at

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Speaker 1: x slash Twitter, essentially, one guy in charge of an

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Speaker 1: algorithm at Meta and Instagram and WhatsApp in Mark Zuckerberg.

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Speaker 1: You got one entity in charge of YouTube, the largest

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Speaker 1: platform where we're all in this independent stuff. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're asking me if I'm nervous. Yeah, I'm quite nervous,

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Speaker 1: and in fact, I don't Here's the other thing that

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Speaker 1: podcasters don't have, and this is something that I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to in when I'm trying to build, when I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to build with local news. One of the things I

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Speaker 1: want to do for podcasters is to create a legal

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Speaker 1: essentially a legal defense fund of sorts. Right. You know,

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Speaker 1: big media company has lawyers to help fend off BS

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Speaker 1: lawsuits like the ones Trump put on The New York Times. Right,

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Speaker 1: But whether you're Chris Saliza, Tara Paul Mary myself, you know,

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Speaker 1: a Ben Shapiro Daily Wire, you may not have those

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Speaker 1: deep pockets to withstand a nuisance lawsuit from an angry billionaire.

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Speaker 1: These are the I do think substack ought to be

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Speaker 1: thinking about this for all of it's, you know, a

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Speaker 1: some sort of collective legal protection here. I do think

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Speaker 1: Google wants to do the right thing. My interactions with

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Speaker 1: them have always been a net positive, So I have

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Speaker 1: some faith that they could be a good actor, just

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Speaker 1: like I have some faith that Apple is a you know,

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Speaker 1: they have they have stuck to their guns in privacy

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Speaker 1: in ways that other companies would have folded. So you know,

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Speaker 1: there's potentially good in there, and perhaps we can get

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Speaker 1: some sort of independent board or something to have some

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Speaker 1: sort of protection on YouTube, because I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's that's gonna I think more and more Americans are

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Speaker 1: going to be realizing this and it is you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like a paranoid, but like

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Speaker 1: I said, go on YouTube and criticize big tech and

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Speaker 1: see how how far and wide your information is shared.

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Speaker 1: Next question comes from from Manoa, New York k Chuck,

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Speaker 1: big fan of the podcast. I'm an independent who often

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Speaker 1: listens while walking my two dogs. All right, I'd love

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Speaker 1: to hear a series comparing what the Republican and Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party say say in their official platforms. You know, they

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Speaker 1: didn't the Republicans didn't have a platform in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: by the way, with what they with what they actually

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Speaker 1: do in office. Both twenty twenty four platforms are packed

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Speaker 1: with contradictions. Yes, and in fact check our past fail

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Speaker 1: breakdown could help voters cut through the campaign talk before

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Speaker 1: the next election. You know, maybe this is the you

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Speaker 1: actually bring up something that I've been meaning to talk

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Speaker 1: about and that is this the movement to have midterm

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Speaker 1: conventions that the two national parties want to have essentially

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Speaker 1: a national gathering that is, he said, turned becomes a

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Speaker 1: televised event. I think we've all learned that if you

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Speaker 1: could event tie something, you could take a boring regular

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Speaker 1: season baseball game, put it in Bristol, Tennessee at Bristol Motor Speedway,

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Speaker 1: and you get to create an event. Well, politics is

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Speaker 1: no different. Right, You're trying to bring some attention. That's

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Speaker 1: actually going to be the perfect time. I think, right,

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Speaker 1: does it become a Dancing with the Stars like deal

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Speaker 1: and you're just showcasing candidates, or will we get some platforms?

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Speaker 1: Will we get some sort of semi unified platform. I

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Speaker 1: have a feeling that what you're going to have is

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Speaker 1: because the Democrats floated this idea first. Trump read about

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Speaker 1: it and he said, we got to do this. So

852
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Speaker 1: he's already got the Republicans planning. I can already picture

853
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Speaker 1: now a bunch of Democratic nominees for Senate in purple states.

854
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Speaker 1: Oh maybe former governor of North Carolina will say, I

855
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Speaker 1: don't know if I have time to join the midterm

856
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Speaker 1: election midterm convention, right, because do they want to share

857
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Speaker 1: a stage with zoon Mom Donnie. That's another one. Will

858
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Speaker 1: the mayor of New York City be invited to speak? Right? So?

859
00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: I can already envision the Democratic infighting about who speaking,

860
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: who shows up, all of this. I hope they can

861
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: get through this and they sort of like have a

862
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: leader that knows how to sort of pierce through this.

863
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of confidence that they do.

864
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: This is this feels this feels like they have a

865
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: bunch of operatives, but they don't have a leader in

866
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: the party right now. But I do think this is

867
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: a net positive idea. It gets voters more engaged in

868
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: the midterms, and that should be a net plus. But

869
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: you know, you'll have the same thing. There'll be some

870
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,479
Speaker 1: Republicans who are not maga, who aren't going to be

871
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: comfortable show standing on stage with Donald Trump, especially if

872
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: the Donald Trump economy is as bad as I fear

873
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: it could be by the summer of twenty twenty six.

874
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: But I do think those that will be the time

875
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: to bring out those platforms and we could do a

876
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: little It's a good idea. You know, I appreciate you

877
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: writing in that question, and because you know sometimes we're

878
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: so I'm so cynical, Like I'll be honest, they write

879
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: these platfs, the platforms always written by well meaning partisans

880
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: and activists who show up to the party meetings, and

881
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: the candidates themselves could give two shits about these platforms.

882
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 1: So we reporters know this, and so we never make

883
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: a big deal out of it. But maybe if we

884
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: made them more responsible and made them own their platform,

885
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: they take what is put into it more seriously from

886
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: the candidate level and not just let interest groups. And

887
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: because that's a lot of times these platforms just become

888
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 1: placating certain interest groups. You're going to put certain things

889
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: in there even if you don't really want the public

890
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: to know you've put them in there. All Right, last

891
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 1: question and I'll get to my I'm going to get

892
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: to my preview of what some people are calling the

893
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: single best couch potato sports weekend you can have coming

894
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: up this weekend. Right, Baseball, the baseball season ending coming

895
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: to an end, with a lot of playoff spots up

896
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: the up for grabs, the Ryder Cup, massive matchups in

897
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: college football, and frankly, some really interesting matchups in the NFL.

898
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Speaker 1: But before I get to that. The last questionnaire comes

899
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Speaker 1: from John s from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Huge history fan. I

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00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: appreciated your checker's piece. Thank you. Only history buffs know

901
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: that as a kid in high school, it always baffled

902
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: me how the German people came under Hitler's power. I

903
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: couldn't wrap my mind around that. And here we are,

904
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: same thing. Every day. I beat my brain on how

905
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: and why people support him. And I voted Republican for

906
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: thirty years and the feeling of betrayal is immense. What

907
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: am I missing in the logic or thinking of his supporters?

908
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 1: It pains me to see what is happening to this country. Well, look,

909
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: I think keep making that effort to figure out what's

910
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: going on with his supporters. I do think our broken

911
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: information ecosystem has made a massive contribution to this. I

912
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: do think the Great Recession really destabilized a lot of

913
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: people physically and emotionally, and I think we underappreciated that.

914
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Speaker 1: I think that you know, and I the amount of

915
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:10,919
Speaker 1: people I remember talking to in Trump's first campaign. All

916
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: of them felt as if the government let them down

917
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: during the Great Recession, And so there was this well,

918
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 1: and and you do you have this questioning of whether

919
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: the democracy it can work, Is it too bureaucratic? Right,

920
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: And it's not. It's not just. It's a phenomenon on

921
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: both the left and the right. Now. It shows itself

922
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: on the left through the questioning of capitalism. It shows

923
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: itself on the right with the questioning of liberal democracy.

924
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: You know Peter Thiel, who's made a bunch of you

925
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Speaker 1: know he's made I think it's pay palace where he

926
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: made all of his money. But he's a huge now

927
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Speaker 1: donor in the conservative world, arguably the most important patron

928
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Speaker 1: of JD Vance's political career. I think Jady Vance worked

929
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Speaker 1: for Petere sort of essentially got got a salary so

930
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: that he could be a politician, right, was able to

931
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Speaker 1: was able to sort of acquire wealth to be a politician.

932
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Speaker 1: And Peter Tiel has some really radical views. He does

933
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Speaker 1: not believe in a liberal democracy. When I say liberal,

934
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Speaker 1: I don't mean left right like in our country, liberal

935
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: versus illiberal. You know what Orbon has in Hungary is

936
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: an illiberal democracy. They hold elections there. I think the

937
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: elections themselves, it's like what's happening in Turkey. The elections

938
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Speaker 1: themselves are not rigged, but the government is rigged if

939
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Speaker 1: it will, right is sort of rigged against freedoms. And

940
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Speaker 1: that's what hungry is, right, rigged against freedoms and rigged

941
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: to do everything to make it favorable there. And I

942
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Speaker 1: think you had a conservative movement that felt as if

943
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: they were all these promises were made to them by

944
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Speaker 1: presidential candidate after presidential candid it and they were let

945
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: down in some form. But I do think if what

946
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: really sort of I think unmooredsome people was the Great Recession. Uh,

947
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: and it had huge for some people. It was personally

948
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: humiliating what happened to them losing your house for you

949
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: know it. You know, it's not just tough on you financially,

950
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: it's tough on you mentally, emotionally, self esteem issues, You

951
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: feel like an idiot. So and the government wasn't their

952
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: for him, right? The government didn't bail them out, bailed

953
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 1: out the banks. Why didn't we bail out the people

954
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Speaker 1: whose houses were being for you know, why didn't we

955
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: essentially forgive every foreclosure of somebody who owned a house

956
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: of five hundred thousand or less? Right, we might we

957
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: might not be in this place where you have a

958
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: chunk of people who think the government was such a failure.

959
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: We shouldn't have to mock. We shouldn't have We kind

960
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,439
Speaker 1: of need a king slash, you know, dictator, whatever you want.

961
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: Peter Teal as a believer in this. Now he has

962
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: his own reasons for it. I mean, he just you know,

963
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: he thinks he's smarter than the average, than the public,

964
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: and that they can decide that, you know, you let

965
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: your tech overlords decide how things should work, not put

966
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: it to a vote of the people. So but I

967
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: do want to point you to a piece that I

968
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: find found very compelling and I think you will too

969
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: based on your answer, and that is this idea. It

970
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: was a piece was alerted to me by Jonathan last

971
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: and it was about this idea like, you know, are

972
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: we on the brink of losing the democracy? And what

973
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: this person was arguing was that American democracy that the

974
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Speaker 1: person who wrote the essay is a gentleman by the

975
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Speaker 1: name of Jonathan Slepfer shl Feer. I encourage you to

976
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: read this piece. It's in the political magazine Weekend. He's

977
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: a former senior researcher in political economy at Harvard Business School.

978
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: He served as the editor in chief of MIT Technology

979
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: Technology Review. He's author of a couple of books, Palace Politics,

980
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: How the ruling Party brought crisis to Mexico, and another

981
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: book called the Assumption's Economists Make. And he's essentially trying

982
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: to study democracies that didn't fail, right, that had some

983
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: threats to this and he notes a few things that

984
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: make our democracy a bit stronger. Number one, it's presidential.

985
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: He notes that actually parliamentary systems are more susceptible to

986
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: the strong man than presidential type of democracies, right where

987
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: there's a single executive rather than the parliamentary systems, because

988
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, you can sort of take control of a coalition,

989
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: and when in these parliamentary systems, you know, as long

990
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: as you keep the coalition together, you can jam through

991
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: also of laws, uh, and all sorts of controls on

992
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: the population and the public and the media and all

993
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: this stuff. Right. That is, you know, look a look

994
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: at how Putin has gone back and forth between being

995
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: Prime minister and president right in different ways that he's

996
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: done it in their system, and Orbon has pulled this off.

997
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: But the other point that he makes is, frankly, we're

998
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: too wealthy. And the point he essentially makes is that

999
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: the wealthier a country is, the more invested, Uh, those

1000
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: wealthy people are in the rule of law. Right, the

1001
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: fear of losing their wealth only comes at the rule

1002
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: of law collapses. And it's not just that we, you

1003
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: know we and by wealth, it's sort of we have

1004
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: a Yes, we have a massive income and equality and

1005
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: income inequality is something you have to worry about in

1006
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: a crumbling democracy if it's going to hold up. And

1007
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: we certainly, you know, we unfortunately check that box. But

1008
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: we still have a fairly wealthy middle class as compared

1009
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: to many other countries around the world. And our middle

1010
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,439
Speaker 1: class is wealthy enough that this person argues that, look,

1011
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: we're we may have demagogues as our leaders every now

1012
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: and then, but it hasn't gone full authoritarian, and that

1013
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: he believes between our presidential system, which makes that difficult

1014
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: because he can't really don't have full control over the legislature.

1015
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,919
Speaker 1: And I mean even now, right, It's look, even though

1016
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: he has control, he can't keep the government open without

1017
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: the help of the democrats. Right, So that's one it's

1018
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: just one reminder there, but that essentially no nation as

1019
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: wealthy as ours has ever lost, No democracy as wealthy

1020
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: as ours has ever gone now. So anyway, it was

1021
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: a compelling piece and a pretty decent retort to the

1022
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: dooman gloomerism that's out there. I mean, look, what I

1023
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: like to say is I'm short pessimistic, long term optimistic.

1024
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: I would have said that in nineteen thirty nine as well, now,

1025
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: which and I would have been technically correct. Short term pessimistic.

1026
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: A lot of people died fighting for essentially freedom, But

1027
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: by nineteen forty six we were okay. So short term pessimistic,

1028
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: long term optimistic. It all depends on, you know, we

1029
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: can we get through this without a sustained level of

1030
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: mass violence. Right now, it's isolated violence what we're going through,

1031
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: and we've had periods of this before. Of the isolated violence.

1032
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: The question is whether we can avoid what happened in

1033
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: Europe for World War Two. So on that uplifting note,

1034
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: let me but in all honesty, the piece itself might

1035
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: actually make you feel better. I think maybe I'm wrong,

1036
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: but I'd like to think it will. It will make

1037
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: you feel better, So John, I hope, and maybe you

1038
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: could bring it, you know, and maybe it'll fire you

1039
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: up for a deeper dive on this. He had a

1040
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: lot of links in that piece for these various charts

1041
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: sort of ranking weaknesses of democracy strength, et cetera. It's

1042
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: a really well researched piece, so you will given the

1043
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: fact that you enjoyed the Checkers nugget that I did,

1044
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: you will enjoy this piece, all right. I just want

1045
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: to preview we do it is. It is a great weekend. Look,

1046
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: I am not as I'm one of those casual golf fans.

1047
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: I love it in May and April and May and

1048
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: June and July. When I got football competing with it,

1049
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, the Ryder Cup, I don't. It may make

1050
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: a box for me. You know, we'll see. I certainly

1051
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: will be if it's competitive in the last day, you know,

1052
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: I'll get into it. I'm not gonna lie. But it's

1053
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: an amazing weekend. The college football Slate's fantastic with Alabama

1054
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: and Georgia and Penn State and Oregon. Right, that is

1055
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: sort of one A and one B on the list.

1056
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: There's some other half decent games out there as well

1057
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: that will tell us a few things about who could

1058
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: matter and who won't. The college football playoff Friday night.

1059
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: I care about a game on Friday night it is

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01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: Florida State is going on the road to play UVA,

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Speaker 1: and if they win that game, then it's undefeated Miami

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01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: versus undefeated Florida State a week later, where we think

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01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: game day will show up and Game Day in Tallahassee

1064
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: is going to be an interesting affair. A lot of

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01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: Florida State fans still upset with mister Herbstreet and how

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01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: he led the charge to keep Florida State out of

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01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: the playoff two years ago, which continues to be one

1068
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: of the great travesties. I think, really sort of it

1069
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: was a step in pushing football towards wrestling, right. My

1070
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,479
Speaker 1: biggest fear of this sort of convergence of a fake

1071
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: sport like wrestling, which is an entertainment show, merging it

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01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: with a sports television network is that that you're gonna

1073
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: blur the lines and you may get more and more

1074
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: people believing that all of this stuff is scripted and

1075
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: none of this stuff is on the up and up.

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01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: And I don't like that. Florida State had a meritocracy

1077
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: and they got screwed because the wrestling promoters, Essentially the

1078
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: promoters wanted a better, more complete team to promote, and

1079
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: they they thought they found a way around it. So

1080
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how Florida State fans greet

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01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: the ESPN personalities when they show up there. So but

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01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to be watching that game intently. That's a

1083
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: pretty important game as far as I'm concerned. The NFL

1084
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: slate is of extra interest to me because my beloved

1085
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers are going to Dallas, Texas night football

1086
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: Michah Parsons returns to Dallas. Well, I plan on witnessing

1087
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: that game in person. I want to go check in

1088
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: on my son, and what a terrific opportunity for me

1089
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: to check in my son and take in an interesting game.

1090
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: It's actually be my second visit to Jerry World. I

1091
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: will tell you I really enjoyed watching a football game there.

1092
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: That is a very nice experience. I'm not the biggest

1093
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: Cowboys fan, but that's a very nice experience. A few

1094
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: other college games of note that are going to matter

1095
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: a lot. USC versus Illinois is USC for real. If

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01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: they are they should paste Illinois in Champagne. But it

1097
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: is a road game and they are traveling two time zones.

1098
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,959
Speaker 1: Notre Dame goes to Fayetteville. That's exciting for my friends

1099
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: in Fayetville. I have to tell you this is one

1100
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: of those that some of the gambling guys would call

1101
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: a rat line. Why has Notre Dame only favored four

1102
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: and a half over a team that just lost to

1103
01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: a group of five school in Memphis just a week ago.

1104
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: That is one of those. Let's just say, as a gambler,

1105
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm staying away as a Miami patron who wants Miami's

1106
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: wins to look better, Please Notre Dame act like you're

1107
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: a playoff team and send Sam Pittman packing, because if

1108
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: he does get embarrassed in Fayetteville in the home ground

1109
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: in front of this game, he might not finish the

1110
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: season on that front. And the other game. There's two

1111
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: other games that I think are deserve a little more

1112
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: attention than they're getting. One is Ohio State going to

1113
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: Washington Man. That is a tough place to play in Seattle.

1114
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: That is a stadium that I have not been to yet,

1115
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: and I want to go to. I want to do

1116
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: the boat thing or you go up there in the

1117
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: boat and do all that business. One of the worst

1118
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 1: losses that I can remember Miami having took place in

1119
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: that stadium. They have great fans out there, those Husky fans.

1120
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: I think we're going to learn a lot about Ohio State.

1121
01:06:55,680 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm not so convinced. It's sort of like it's it's

1122
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: it's a real test. If Ohio State comes out with

1123
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: a win by one point, they deserve credit. Any victory

1124
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: there is interesting. LSU, Ole Miss, well Lane Kiffin ever

1125
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 1: win a big game. I love Lane Kiffin. I enjoy him.

1126
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: He is entertaining to me. His teams play great offense,

1127
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: They're not always the most disciplined teams, and they seem

1128
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: to just screw up a game here or there where

1129
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: they shouldn't right Like last year they lost a dumb game.

1130
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: I think it was just God, what was the was Kentucky?

1131
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: The Kentucky went like two and ten last year, but

1132
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 1: one of their two victories I think was Ole Miss.

1133
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: LSU's going to Oxford, another great place to watch a

1134
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 1: football game that I have gotten to do, and that

1135
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: is a great atmosphere. But both LSU and Ole Miss

1136
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 1: need this game and loser may have a may have

1137
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: a hard time. And then Indiana visits Iowa City. Indiana

1138
01:07:55,000 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: just beat the pants off of Illinois. Is so hard

1139
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: to play at Iowa City. There's such a different team

1140
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: at home than they are on the road. They are

1141
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: Jekyll and Hyde. Iowa is a paper tiger on the road,

1142
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: but Iowa at home comes across like a juggernaut of time.

1143
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: So the point is, it's a hell of a it's

1144
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: a hell of a good weekend. We also have Ravens Chiefs.

1145
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: They're both one and two, So the loser of the

1146
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 1: Ravens Chiefs game on Sunday is going to be one

1147
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: in three, the same record as our friends at Clemson

1148
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 1: have one and three, which is leading two questions about

1149
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 1: Dabo Sweeney's future. I don't think anybody's going to question

1150
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: any Reid or John Harbaugh on this one between the

1151
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 1: Chiefs and the Ravens, but wow, one of those two

1152
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: teams gonna be one and three. Anyway, it is going

1153
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: to be a great weekend in sports. If you're looking

1154
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: to sort of a distraction from the gyrations of the

1155
01:08:55,360 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: political world, this weekend is delivering. You got WNBA playoffs, Uh,

1156
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 1: you've got the baseball season wrapping up. I'm really pulling

1157
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 1: for the Reds to get that last playoff spot. Sorry

1158
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: to my Mets fan friends out there, but come on,

1159
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: It'll be a lot more fun to see Ellie get

1160
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: into the playoffs for the very first time. I'd love

1161
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: to see him get in the playoffs. That will be fun.

1162
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: I know that the baseball executives want the big New

1163
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:24,759
Speaker 1: York team in there. I get it. But you're already

1164
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: gonna get Otani and all that stuff. So and you

1165
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 1: already got Aaron Judge, You're fine on this front. I

1166
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: think you want Ellie de la Cruz. SODA's already a star.

1167
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 1: Ellie de la Cruz needs to be a bigger star.

1168
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: You want the Reds to get in there. That and

1169
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: I may or may not have a ticket on them

1170
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: making the playoffs. That would would allow me to pay

1171
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: my power bill this month anyway. So with that, I

1172
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 1: hope you enjoy the weekend and I'll see you in

1173
01:09:55,000 --> 01:10:00,799
Speaker 1: seventy two to ninety six hours. Ey