WEBVTT - Why does everyone love Dolly Parton?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck and Jerry's here too, and today we're gonna make

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<v Speaker 2>some joyful noise together here on Stuff you should Know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. I just poured myself a cup of ambition.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh, I had a few of those this.

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<v Speaker 3>Morning before we dive into Dolly Parton land. We should

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<v Speaker 3>talk about our tour really quick because we're looking to

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<v Speaker 3>sell some more tickets specifically, well everywhere, but specifically DC

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<v Speaker 3>and Toronto.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, for the whole shebang. We're gonna be in

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<v Speaker 2>d C, Boston and then Toronto May fourth, fifth, and sixth.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, that's right, And there are plenty of great seats available.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a really good show. I think one of

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<v Speaker 3>the best ones we've done in a long time. And

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<v Speaker 3>if you're in the Northeast, like, this is it. We're

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<v Speaker 3>not doing New York this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you sorry?

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<v Speaker 2>New York?

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<v Speaker 3>But if you live the Northeast, this is this is

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<v Speaker 3>your chance because we're doing the Southeast in the fall,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's this is your opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a great angle for this marketing campaign here.

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck, Yeah, Northeast or bust.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So that's enough about us, everybody. We're here to

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<v Speaker 2>really talk about Dolly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So Livia helped us with this one. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we've remarked about how Livia is getting great at titling

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<v Speaker 3>the articles even though she doesn't even have to, right

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<v Speaker 3>she does it because she's creative and talented. And her

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<v Speaker 3>title for this is why does everyone love Dolly Parton?

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<v Speaker 3>And we're going to explain that, But I think the

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<v Speaker 3>easiest thing to say is since the nineteen seventies, this

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<v Speaker 3>is a woman who was basically just put goodness into

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<v Speaker 3>the world at every turn.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. I was reading an interview with her

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<v Speaker 2>in Rolling Stone from nineteen eighty, like nine to five

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<v Speaker 2>had just come out, and you might as well have

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<v Speaker 2>told me it was from twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>She just she's been the same way this whole time. Great.

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<v Speaker 2>She she doesn't like get into any political stuff. She said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not political. I won't talk about politics.

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<v Speaker 1>She doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>She leaves hot button issues alone. But if it means

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<v Speaker 2>something to her, it's really meaningful, she'll she'll come out

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<v Speaker 2>on you know, in favor of it. Endorsing it, but

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<v Speaker 2>she doesn't put anything down. She might support something, but

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<v Speaker 2>she's not going to put anything down publicly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So the other kind of funny thing about this one

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<v Speaker 3>from Livia is she always includes her sources, and she

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<v Speaker 3>may have broken her own source record.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh boy, there were probably one hundred sources. But we

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<v Speaker 3>did want to mention one in particular because I listened

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<v Speaker 3>to this from jad Abamrad, the great jad Abamrab of

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<v Speaker 3>Radio ab Fame, m like four years ago put out

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<v Speaker 3>the wonderful series Dolly Parton's America. Yeah, and Livia binged

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<v Speaker 3>it and I listened to it back then, and back

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<v Speaker 3>then I was like, oh man, I want to do

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<v Speaker 3>an episode on Dolly Parton. But it's like Jad it

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<v Speaker 3>like he covered it so well, like what's the point

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<v Speaker 3>kind of thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>But now four years on, I was like, well, we

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<v Speaker 1>can give it.

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<v Speaker 3>The stuff you should know treatment, which is to say,

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<v Speaker 3>not as not as deep a dive, but it's a

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<v Speaker 3>great series. If you want to learn more about Dolly Parton,

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<v Speaker 3>then check out Dolly Parton's America.

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<v Speaker 2>Very nice. And then just to button up, Chuck, we

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<v Speaker 2>were trying to answer that question, why does everybody love Dolly?

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<v Speaker 2>I came up with another hypothesis too, Okay, it's that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when somebody is like, they can be anything

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<v Speaker 2>anybody wants them to be, Like, they're interpretable from all

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<v Speaker 2>different angles, so everybody just assumes they're like them. Dolly

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<v Speaker 2>is not like that. She is her own person who

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<v Speaker 2>can't be pigeonholed into one box or another, right, but

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<v Speaker 2>she's likable from all sides.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like, find someone that's gonna talk some Dolly Parton

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<v Speaker 3>and then you and I really can a discussion in

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<v Speaker 3>the parking lot with that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a sad state of affairs, though, dude, because there's

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<v Speaker 2>think pieces all over the internet about how it's just

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<v Speaker 2>amazing that everybody doesn't hate Dolly Parton, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>good God, like this is what we've come to, Like

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<v Speaker 2>everybody hates everybody casually, so I mean, how has she

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<v Speaker 2>escaped it so long? And it's just like such a

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<v Speaker 2>sad state of affairs that that's normalized by even writing

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<v Speaker 2>pieces like that. But they're out there for sure. But

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<v Speaker 2>the upshot of it is people are amazed that people

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<v Speaker 2>don't hate Dolly Parton, and it's true. People don't hate

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<v Speaker 2>Dolly Parton.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and she's she's someone that is so I think,

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<v Speaker 3>kind of universally beloved and internationally beloved. That as you'll

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<v Speaker 3>see later in this episode there, she's been studied by

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<v Speaker 3>anthropologists and sociologists.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which is pretty amazing. And so let's start at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning, shall we wait?

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on one more thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, more praise.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing about her, I think that's so amazing

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<v Speaker 2>and so remarkable is that she This is the reason

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<v Speaker 2>why everybody's just so fascinated with her right now. She's

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the one person who is straddling both sides of

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<v Speaker 2>the political and social divide as wide as it is

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States today and is not is not

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<v Speaker 2>like hanging on by her fingernails. She's like, I got

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<v Speaker 2>a foot here, and I'm not lying about it. Got

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<v Speaker 2>a foot here. I'm not lying about that either. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not I'm not trying to fool either side. This. This

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<v Speaker 2>is what I'm into, and you know, I like both

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<v Speaker 2>of you.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, it's almost like being a genuine human who stays

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<v Speaker 3>true to who they are is something we should all

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<v Speaker 3>aspire to.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, but it also shows she shows that that's such

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<v Speaker 2>a rarity in this world that that you can be

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<v Speaker 2>globally beloved by just doing that and also making like

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of really great music too.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, I mean, come on, we're gonna talk about

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<v Speaker 3>all this stuff, but can we.

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<v Speaker 1>Go back to the beginning now? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, sorry, okay, Hey, never apologize about singing the praises

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<v Speaker 3>of Dolly Parton.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great rule of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You should, no motto.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just can't wait till we get to the

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<v Speaker 3>Dollywood stuff, because you've been and I have not. All right,

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<v Speaker 3>So she was born Dolly Rebecca Parton in nineteen forty six,

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<v Speaker 3>in January nineteenth of nineteen forty six in rural Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you pronounce this? Is it severe? County?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's severe.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's just severe.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm almost positive it's severe.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, sev I e R and see immediately this is

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure Jad's episode pronounced it perfectly.

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<v Speaker 1>I bad. I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Threw his face into us palm like these guys.

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<v Speaker 3>But she was born to a big family of twelve kids.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's kind of fun to look up photos of

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<v Speaker 3>Dolly and all her siblings because you know a few

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<v Speaker 3>of her sisters look a lot like her.

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<v Speaker 1>All her brothers look.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you know, they should be like shooting pool down

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<v Speaker 3>at the pool hall.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, all the.

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<v Speaker 3>Just sort of genuine article smoky Mountain Tennessee foothills people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. And there were twelve of them, did you.

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<v Speaker 1>Say, twelve sibs including her, And she was the fourth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the fourth of twelve. And all fourteen people in

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<v Speaker 2>her family lived in a two room cabin. And I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen a replica of this cabin, and it is no joke.

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<v Speaker 2>A two room cabin and fourteen people lived in it

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<v Speaker 2>in the Smoky mountains.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean two bedrooms with an office, right, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean two rooms my friend with the outhouse, no

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<v Speaker 2>running water, no electricity, Like she grew up as Smoky mountain,

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<v Speaker 2>as a smoky mountain person can grow up, like even

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<v Speaker 2>people in other parts of Tennessee are like wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But she says she had a great childhood running around

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<v Speaker 2>just being outside, and because she was the fourth of twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>she wasn't particularly like paid attention to, so she could

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of go off and do her own thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I get the idea that they were semi feral sort

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<v Speaker 3>of mountain kids. Her granddad was a Pentecostal minister, very

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<v Speaker 3>fiery in Brimstony, and she still, you know, mentions God

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<v Speaker 3>a lot. I get the sense that she's a little

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<v Speaker 3>less overtly religious, but spirituality still very much a mainstay

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<v Speaker 3>in her life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think it's more of a personal relationship between

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<v Speaker 2>her and God.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which is supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 2>So she really lucked out because she had an uncle

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<v Speaker 2>named Bill Owens, who was a musician a songwriter who

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<v Speaker 2>noticed that she wanted to get into music from a

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<v Speaker 2>very young age and was maybe the only person in

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<v Speaker 2>her entire life or her early life that noticed and

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<v Speaker 2>then nurtured it. And she later said when he died

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<v Speaker 2>a few years back at his funeral, like she wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be here today if it wasn't him, Like she owed

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<v Speaker 2>him everything because he nurtured it in her. He encouraged her,

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<v Speaker 2>he supported her when she got rejected, and he helped

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<v Speaker 2>her break into the business. So bill Owens was a

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<v Speaker 2>huge influence in her life. But he noticed, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>from a very early age. I think she wrote her

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<v Speaker 2>first song when she was.

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<v Speaker 3>Five, Yeah, little tiny tassel top about her homemade corn

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<v Speaker 3>husk doll and she would pretend, you know, she would

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<v Speaker 3>get a tobacco stick and a tin can and act

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<v Speaker 3>like it was her microphone and Mike's stand, and she

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<v Speaker 3>would sing for the chickens in her yard and had

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<v Speaker 3>obviously a real talent from the beginning. If you listen

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<v Speaker 3>to her very first recording, Puppy Love from nineteen fifty nine,

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<v Speaker 3>it sounds like, you know, thirteen year old Dolly Parton.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you can hear Dolly in that young voice.

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<v Speaker 3>And like I said, she was thirteen. And that was

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<v Speaker 3>the same year that she made her very first appearance

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<v Speaker 3>at the Grand Old Opry, introduced.

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<v Speaker 1>By none other than Johnny Cash.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, who was her first big crush, so it was

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<v Speaker 2>even more amazing for unbelievable. Her family didn't get to

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<v Speaker 2>see it though, because Dolly Parton was on TV before

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<v Speaker 2>her family had a TV at home. Yeah, which is

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<v Speaker 2>pretty cool. I believe there was a TV appearance, yes, noah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and if it was, if that one wasn't the first

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<v Speaker 2>whenever it was, she was on TV first, her family

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<v Speaker 2>still didn't have a.

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<v Speaker 1>TV back, gotcha.

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<v Speaker 2>So thanks to Uncle Billy taking her around and banging

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<v Speaker 2>on doors, she ended up making her debut on Mercury

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<v Speaker 2>Records in nineteen sixty two, which is nothing to sneeze at.

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<v Speaker 2>But I get the impression that it wasn't like her.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't like a like a okay, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>serious recording contract. It's like, okay, let's let's test this

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<v Speaker 2>girl out. Back then, they called any woman in country

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<v Speaker 2>music a girl singer, right, So she was a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a novelty, not just because of her age, but

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<v Speaker 2>because she was a woman as well. But she had

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<v Speaker 2>her sight set on becoming a country music star. And

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<v Speaker 2>so the day after she graduated high school, the day

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<v Speaker 2>after she graduated high school, she got on a bus

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<v Speaker 2>for Nashville to move there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, amazing, nineteen sixty four. And very soon after she

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<v Speaker 3>moved there, she met a man that would become her

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<v Speaker 3>husband and a mainstay in her life to this day,

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<v Speaker 3>who is remarkably hard to find stuff about. His name

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<v Speaker 3>is Carl Dean. They met it very famously at a

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<v Speaker 3>laundromat when she was eighteen and he was twenty one.

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<v Speaker 3>Married a couple of years later. And I think a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people that don't know a lot about Dolly

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<v Speaker 3>Parton think she might be single or something. Because she

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<v Speaker 3>never had kids. But she's been married to Carl Dean

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<v Speaker 3>since nineteen sixty six and he doesn't want to be

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<v Speaker 3>in the limelight. He never did. He's her biggest fan

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<v Speaker 3>and supporter. She's always said, you know, off the stage,

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<v Speaker 3>but he just doesn't want any part of the limelight.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's hard to even find a lot of pictures

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<v Speaker 3>of this guy. There's a handful out there. But he

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<v Speaker 3>started an asphalt laying business in the late seventies, still

0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:55.000
<v Speaker 3>runs that business today, which is just amazing. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I read an article from a couple of years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>She was like, you know, Carl and I we like

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<v Speaker 3>to run errand we go to the twenty four hour stores,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, in the middle of the night, like Walmart

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<v Speaker 3>and places, and she said, and there are fewer people

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<v Speaker 3>there to come up to me. And she said, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't mind it. I love people, she said, I just

0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.800
<v Speaker 3>don't want it to get in the way of our shopping, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, Carl's not wild about it. So they

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<v Speaker 3>just live a very simple kind of pure life together.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, outside the limelight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've read an interview with her somewhere and she

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<v Speaker 2>said that in her opinion, if she's out in public,

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<v Speaker 2>that time belongs to her fans, so she's not She

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have a problem with people coming up to her

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<v Speaker 2>asking for autographs. She knows that she's out in public

0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.480
<v Speaker 2>and that's a risk that she runs right. Sure, but

0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:40.400
<v Speaker 2>her leisure time, her time away is like secluded off

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<v Speaker 2>with Carl, just the two of them. Usually. Maybe she

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<v Speaker 2>has a very close best friend I can't remember her name.

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<v Speaker 2>They go everywhere together, so she's almost like a stand

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<v Speaker 2>in for Carl when Dolly's traveling around.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and she's always been very her persona is very flirty,

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<v Speaker 3>and she's always sort of flirted around with In fact,

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<v Speaker 3>no friends that have worked on like commercial shoots with

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<v Speaker 3>her and they were like, man, she's the biggest flirt

0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.800
<v Speaker 3>you would ever know, and that's just her personality. And

0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.199
<v Speaker 3>she said that Karl understands that, and that's just how

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<v Speaker 3>she sort of has fun and relates to people, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's always very innocent, and I just think it's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of kind of cute and fun. Yep, for sure, I

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<v Speaker 3>want her to flirt with me, you know, I think,

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<v Speaker 3>is what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>This this episode might be your big break, Chuck. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so would you just like turn bright red and like

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<v Speaker 2>dig your the toe of your foot into this.

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of am a little bright red. I thought

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<v Speaker 3>it was the stuff you should know. Sign in here

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<v Speaker 3>casting a red beam on my face.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's you thinking about being flirted with by Dolly Partner.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, dude, I grew up as you did, but I'm,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a little bit older. Like the heyday of

0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.080
<v Speaker 3>early Dolly was when I was a kid, and of

0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.600
<v Speaker 3>course my dad was in love with her, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it was just she was one of the biggest stars

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<v Speaker 3>in the world, and my parents were kind of into

0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.280
<v Speaker 3>country music, so she was just sort of prevalent in

0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:57.320
<v Speaker 3>our household somehow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my introduction to her was through nine to five.

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<v Speaker 2>If my mom that that whole message and the idea

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<v Speaker 2>behind it was right up my mom's alley, So she

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<v Speaker 2>would watch it with her hands clasped together.

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<v Speaker 1>At the side of her face like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Just an editor adoration of everybody, including Dolly Parton too.

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<v Speaker 2>I think my family was never really into country music,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think that that was like a big introduction

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<v Speaker 2>and probably a win over for my family. Was nine

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<v Speaker 2>to five.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Well, we'll talk about nine to five and

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<v Speaker 3>crossover success more.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good setup.

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<v Speaker 3>But how about we take a break, Yes, and we'll

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<v Speaker 3>be right back with more Dolly parton.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So we're talking about Dolly becoming a star. Like

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<v Speaker 2>she's had a couple of record contracts, nothing serious though,

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<v Speaker 2>but then in nineteen sixty five she saw him with

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<v Speaker 2>Monument Records. That was her big her first big record contract,

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<v Speaker 2>I read. But they wanted her to be a pop singer,

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<v Speaker 2>which is kind of ironic because she actually would kind

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<v Speaker 2>of become a pop singer later on in her career,

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<v Speaker 2>But at first she was like, no way, Like have

0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:24.200
<v Speaker 2>you seen my house? And do you know how many

0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.840
<v Speaker 2>people are in my family? I'm not a pop singer.

0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:30.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm a country singer, right, Yeah, So she persisted and

0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.360
<v Speaker 2>hung in there, and they ended up like folding and

0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.520
<v Speaker 2>giving in, and she went on to become a full

0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:37.600
<v Speaker 2>fledged country singer.

0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Nineteen sixty seven her first record Hello I'm Dolly, which

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<v Speaker 3>is just great. How they used to do records like

0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.520
<v Speaker 3>that in time like that when you like introduce her

0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:52.440
<v Speaker 3>to the world. But you know, as would become a

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<v Speaker 3>thing like in her career, most of the songs that

0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.800
<v Speaker 3>she's well known for most of the songs she's recorded.

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<v Speaker 3>She's done, you know, plenty of cup because everyone does that,

0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:05.080
<v Speaker 3>especially in country music. But she is most well known

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<v Speaker 3>as a songwriter, and we'll get into that more in

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit. But she wrote two Now Libya has

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<v Speaker 3>a number twenty four. But I saw that there were

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<v Speaker 3>both top twenty in the country charts, Dumb Blonde, which

0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.400
<v Speaker 3>is written by a guy named Curly Putman, great name,

0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.680
<v Speaker 3>and Something Fishy written by Dolly, and I think the

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<v Speaker 3>album itself was a top twenty hit her debut, right crazy,

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<v Speaker 3>you know in the country charts, right off out of

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<v Speaker 3>the gate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I was looking up Something Fishy and it's about

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<v Speaker 2>a woman who's become convinced that her husband's fishing trips

0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.760
<v Speaker 2>aren't actually fishing trips and that he's running around on her.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the lines is, I guess some large

0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.320
<v Speaker 2>mouth bass left that lipstick on your shirt. I don't

0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.680
<v Speaker 2>think you're a fisherman, honey, I think you're a flirt.

0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:57.440
<v Speaker 2>That's like perfect debut. Dolly like at what age, like

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen I think is how old she has? Yeah, pretty great.

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<v Speaker 3>And Porter Wagoner is someone that we talked about on

0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:06.960
<v Speaker 3>our Grand ole Opry Show and he had the Porter

0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:11.240
<v Speaker 3>Wagoner Show. He hires young Dolly to replace his other

0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:18.000
<v Speaker 3>young woman sidekick singer, and basically she elevated the show

0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.240
<v Speaker 3>to the point where it was a number one, the

0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:23.640
<v Speaker 3>number one syndicated show in the country radio show. And

0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.960
<v Speaker 3>they started doing duets together and albums together, including their

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<v Speaker 3>first one, Just Between You and Me in nineteen sixty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they started touring a lot too, and she

0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:39.040
<v Speaker 2>learned a tremendous amount about touring, performing live, the music business.

0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Everything she needed to learn early on came from touring

0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:47.240
<v Speaker 2>with Porter Wagner. But he was also really well aware

0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:51.600
<v Speaker 2>that he had like a real cash register on his hands. Yeah,

0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:53.439
<v Speaker 2>and he kept her under his thumb as much as

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<v Speaker 2>he could, both emotionally blackmailing her, I get the impression,

0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:01.159
<v Speaker 2>but also locking her into just really floyd of contracts

0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:04.439
<v Speaker 2>because she might not have known what she was signing.

0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.120
<v Speaker 2>She probably did and just figured like, Okay, at least

0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.240
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna help me get to where I'm going. That's

0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.159
<v Speaker 2>the likelier explanation if you ask me. But he was

0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:16.000
<v Speaker 2>definitely in charge for the first many years of her

0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:17.399
<v Speaker 2>serious career.

0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:18.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:22.959
<v Speaker 3>But because she's Dolly Parton and so beloved. When they

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<v Speaker 3>eventually broke up their relationship, I think it was kind

0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.080
<v Speaker 3>of rough, and she ended up writing a song I

0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:33.840
<v Speaker 3>Will Always Love You about that relationship, and ultimately they

0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.439
<v Speaker 3>worked it out and she reconciled and was at his

0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.119
<v Speaker 3>deathbed with his family, and it was kind of one

0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:41.440
<v Speaker 3>of those no hard feelings kind of situations.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, I've read that his last dying words were,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll never forgive you. That's what I'm gonna say on

0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.520
<v Speaker 2>my deathbed. No, I'm just gonna like wave my finger

0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:53.680
<v Speaker 2>around the room to everybody standing there.

0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:55.479
<v Speaker 1>And we're all gonna be like, is he talking about me?

0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Exactly? You guys can spend the rest of your lives

0:18:58.560 --> 0:18:59.520
<v Speaker 2>figuring it out.

0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Of me able to just look at me and say,

0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:01.919
<v Speaker 1>he's talking about you.

0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:04.280
<v Speaker 2>Totally.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So, they while they were a duet.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, wait, Chuck, wait, wait, hold on, one more

0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:12.760
<v Speaker 2>thing you brought up I Will Always love You, which

0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:14.959
<v Speaker 2>everybody knows one of probably her most one of her

0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.359
<v Speaker 2>most famous songs, arguably her other most famous song.

0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Joe Lene great song.

0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:24.320
<v Speaker 2>She apparently wrote those songs on the same day. Start

0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:26.560
<v Speaker 2>to finish. Isn't that amazing.

0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean she she now says, like, you know,

0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:31.960
<v Speaker 3>if it wasn't the same day, it was in the

0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:34.399
<v Speaker 3>within a couple of days of each other, but like,

0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.840
<v Speaker 3>either way, it's remarkable.

0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:39.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's possible it was the same day. She

0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:40.199
<v Speaker 2>just doesn't remember.

0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:42.720
<v Speaker 2>That really like kind of goes to show what kind

0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:46.160
<v Speaker 2>of uh she she was drinking cups of ambition left

0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:50.280
<v Speaker 2>and right, apparently, because not only does that story potentially true,

0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:55.399
<v Speaker 2>she also put out twenty five albums yeah, both d

0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:59.119
<v Speaker 2>us with Porter Wagner and then some solo albums in

0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:03.000
<v Speaker 2>the five period between nineteen sixty eight and nineteen seventy three.

0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean that's remarkable she started, and that's kind

0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:07.560
<v Speaker 3>of where I was headed.

0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:07.879
<v Speaker 1>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>She kind of started recording her own solo stuff as

0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:14.159
<v Speaker 3>she was. You know, it's kind of obvious she just

0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.920
<v Speaker 3>had she was too prolific of a songwriter. I mean,

0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.040
<v Speaker 3>she supposedly her quote is that she's written more than

0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:23.680
<v Speaker 3>three thousand songs and three of them are good. She's

0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:27.680
<v Speaker 3>also humble, another reason people love Dolly Parton. But she

0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:31.439
<v Speaker 3>had too much to say early on, and so started

0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.719
<v Speaker 3>making solo records while she was still with Wagoner, and

0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:36.520
<v Speaker 3>it was in that that time period, I think in

0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.440
<v Speaker 3>the early seventies is when you know those iconic songs

0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:41.800
<v Speaker 3>Jolene and I Will Always Love You came out.

0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Right, but still under the tutelage of Porter Wagner.

0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:48.600
<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, I mean those are solo albums and I

0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:50.360
<v Speaker 3>think I Will Always Love You. It was about them

0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:52.639
<v Speaker 3>splitting apart, So it was sort of right there at

0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:52.919
<v Speaker 3>the end.

0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.160
<v Speaker 2>I think it definitely was. And I heard a story

0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:57.680
<v Speaker 2>of years back that he said, Okay, I'll let you

0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:00.159
<v Speaker 2>out of your contract if you let me produce this

0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:04.880
<v Speaker 2>amazing song, and she yeah, I will always love you, right,

0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.119
<v Speaker 2>And then apparently he turned around and sued her anyway

0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:10.520
<v Speaker 2>for breach of contract. But she she got out of it.

0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:14.639
<v Speaker 2>She got out of this this this terrible contract, this

0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:19.000
<v Speaker 2>exploitive contract. She got out from under a very domineering mentor.

0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:22.439
<v Speaker 2>And this is a really big time of transition for

0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:25.720
<v Speaker 2>her because not only did she get away from Porter Wagner,

0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:30.040
<v Speaker 2>which was enormous, because in a sense, she was like

0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:33.119
<v Speaker 2>a pinball that had just been plunged when she was

0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:37.359
<v Speaker 2>released from from Wagner, just looking for like the next

0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:40.480
<v Speaker 2>bumper to just shoot her off in another direction. That's

0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:44.760
<v Speaker 2>my analogy, buddy. Yeah, and that's exactly what happened. But

0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:47.520
<v Speaker 2>she also had to break up with her family band,

0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:50.000
<v Speaker 2>like they were her original backing band. She had to

0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:53.159
<v Speaker 2>be like, I gotta get better musicians, you guys. And

0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:57.000
<v Speaker 2>she made some really hard decisions, but they they ended

0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:59.480
<v Speaker 2>up paying off, and from what I understand, there were

0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:01.080
<v Speaker 2>no last hard feelings from it.

0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:06.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's pretty great. She hosted a TV show for

0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:10.199
<v Speaker 3>one season, just like us. It was called Dolly. You know,

0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:13.120
<v Speaker 3>back then they had all those great variety shows. This

0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:16.160
<v Speaker 3>was seventy six into seventy seven. And then a very

0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:19.199
<v Speaker 3>important man comes into her life by the name of

0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:25.680
<v Speaker 3>Sandy Gallen, who was a uber manager got the Beatles

0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:29.160
<v Speaker 3>on Ed Sulimon would later manage Michael Jackson and marbar

0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:33.800
<v Speaker 3>streisand and Cher and Sandy Gallen was a pretty instrumental

0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:35.400
<v Speaker 3>person for a couple of reasons.

0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:36.040
<v Speaker 1>One is.

0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:41.480
<v Speaker 3>Kind of encouraging the crossover success. Like he booked her

0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:43.840
<v Speaker 3>at the bottom line in the Greenwich Village. Who you know,

0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:47.040
<v Speaker 3>everyone from Springsteen to lou Reid were playing there.

0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:49.919
<v Speaker 2>Like Andy Warhol came and watched her show. There's an

0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:51.800
<v Speaker 2>awesome picture of them sitting together.

0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, talk about crossover.

0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:56.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. And she was nervous. I saw that she

0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:59.280
<v Speaker 2>was nervous on the on the way to being scared.

0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:02.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure. Yeah.

0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:08.120
<v Speaker 3>He had her tour Europe, exposed her internationally. He took

0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.399
<v Speaker 3>her to Studio fifty four, which is probably where she

0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:13.360
<v Speaker 3>also hung out with Andy Warhol. But the other big

0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:16.800
<v Speaker 3>reason is that Sandy Gallen was gay. He died like

0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:21.640
<v Speaker 3>five years ago. And this was a very instrumental relationship.

0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:24.640
<v Speaker 3>And I get the impression, you know, Dolly is very

0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:27.359
<v Speaker 3>famous for being a sort of an icon in the

0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:29.040
<v Speaker 3>LGTVQ community.

0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:30.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, from very early on.

0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:33.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And it seems like this is kind of where

0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:37.400
<v Speaker 3>it all started, was having this relationship with Sandy, and

0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:42.120
<v Speaker 3>you know, just the gay community wrapping their arms around

0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:45.199
<v Speaker 3>her early on, not necessarily because you know, she had

0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:48.120
<v Speaker 3>a gay manager, but you know, I don't think it hurt.

0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:51.359
<v Speaker 2>Right, And The New York Times wrote that she got

0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:55.480
<v Speaker 2>a warm welcome in San Francisco from transgender fans and

0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:59.040
<v Speaker 2>quote other exotic urban cult audiences.

0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:02.880
<v Speaker 3>Well, Dolly's always said, you know, she's one of those

0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:07.560
<v Speaker 3>love is love types, and you know, it's just like

0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:10.520
<v Speaker 3>it's the way to live life. Like she doesn't judge people,

0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:14.639
<v Speaker 3>and she never has, and she's always just embraced like

0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:18.000
<v Speaker 3>whatever community wants to love her music, Like why would she?

0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:21.719
<v Speaker 3>I never get it when people like intentionally sort of

0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:24.880
<v Speaker 3>turn audiences off, right, you know.

0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:29.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know for sure, for sure, But also like

0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:33.160
<v Speaker 2>it's that's so true and it's so prevalent when when

0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:36.280
<v Speaker 2>you read about her, watch interviews with her, just listen

0:24:36.320 --> 0:24:40.080
<v Speaker 2>to her talk, you're almost like, what's your angle, dolly, right,

0:24:40.880 --> 0:24:42.399
<v Speaker 2>what are you really up to here?

0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:49.639
<v Speaker 3>Her big crossover hit was Here You Come Again, which

0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:51.960
<v Speaker 3>was considered a pop song. I mean, I've always kind

0:24:51.960 --> 0:24:54.639
<v Speaker 3>of thought it was a country song, I guess because

0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:57.879
<v Speaker 3>her voice is in it and she insisted on steel guitar,

0:24:58.760 --> 0:24:59.440
<v Speaker 3>so it still had.

0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:02.359
<v Speaker 1>A little country. But it's like a perfect song.

0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:07.800
<v Speaker 2>It's a perfect crossover, Like it's exactly perfectly balanced, Like

0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:10.520
<v Speaker 2>there couldn't have been a better song to transition from

0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:13.639
<v Speaker 2>full on country singer to country pop singer.

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:16.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And it went number one on the country chart,

0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:18.399
<v Speaker 3>number three on the pop charts.

0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Album went platinum.

0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:22.840
<v Speaker 3>And this is you know, the late seventies when she

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:24.800
<v Speaker 3>really really really blew up.

0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:26.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was that. She just took off like a

0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:30.200
<v Speaker 2>rocket from there. One of the things that she did

0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:33.639
<v Speaker 2>very wisely in the late seventies early eighties, right around

0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:37.440
<v Speaker 2>this time, was just hop on the TV circuit. Y

0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:42.520
<v Speaker 2>She's been on at least a few hundred TV appearances,

0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:44.760
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of them took place in the seventies

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:47.440
<v Speaker 2>and eighties when she was just making herself known, making

0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:50.840
<v Speaker 2>herself a household name. And none of this was by accident,

0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:55.080
<v Speaker 2>Like she's she's wanted to be a megas star since

0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:57.200
<v Speaker 2>she was a kid, and this was part of She

0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:01.600
<v Speaker 2>apparently makes a lot of lists and they turn out

0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:03.520
<v Speaker 2>to kind of be five year plans, and I'm sure

0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:06.160
<v Speaker 2>getting on the talk show circuit was part of one

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:07.560
<v Speaker 2>of those lists.

0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:10.280
<v Speaker 3>And that explains why as a kid growing up in

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:13.080
<v Speaker 3>the seventies, I saw a lot of Dolly Parton exactly.

0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:15.880
<v Speaker 2>She was everywhere Dolly wanted you to see a lot

0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:16.639
<v Speaker 2>of Dolly Parton.

0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:21.480
<v Speaker 3>In the eighties is when she continued some of her

0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:25.560
<v Speaker 3>collaborations with other artists, very famously with Kenny Rodgers with

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:28.800
<v Speaker 3>Islands in the Stream, huge massive hit, Haven't Heard It,

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 3>And then nineteen eighty seven, my favorite collaboration at least

0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:38.320
<v Speaker 3>came out and maybe my favorite Dolly stuff period, oh yeah,

0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:40.800
<v Speaker 3>was the album Trio Yeah, that she recorded with Linda

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:45.040
<v Speaker 3>Ronstadt and Emilu Harris. Just three of the best voices

0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:48.080
<v Speaker 3>in the history of music coming together to sing together.

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:50.840
<v Speaker 3>They ended up making three albums over the years together.

0:26:51.680 --> 0:26:53.200
<v Speaker 3>So if you haven't listened to any of this stuff,

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.840
<v Speaker 3>highly recommend Trio from nineteen eighty seven.

0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:59.240
<v Speaker 2>She also released some bluegrass albums in the late nineties,

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:03.880
<v Speaker 2>The Grass Is Blue, Little Sparrow, Halo's and Horns, And

0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:08.080
<v Speaker 2>then she released her first Christmas album in thirty years

0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:11.960
<v Speaker 2>back in twenty twenty, A Holly Dolly Christmas, which is

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 2>pretty good. It's cute, But I think the best Christmas

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:17.679
<v Speaker 2>album she released was Once Upon a Christmas in nineteen

0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:20.520
<v Speaker 2>eighty four. There's a lot of Kenny Rogers on it.

0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 3>I made a joke this last Christmas on Instagram. I

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:27.960
<v Speaker 3>think that like probably fifty percent of Dolly Parton's Christmas

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:33.840
<v Speaker 3>songs are about sex. It's true where there's like sexual overtones,

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 3>right exactly.

0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:36.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, it's good stuff.

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 2>But that nineteen eighty four album has hard candy Christmas

0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 2>on it, which is what I mean, you have it,

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:45.560
<v Speaker 2>maybe your best her best one, if you ask me.

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Great song.

0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:49.600
<v Speaker 3>All right, So now let's talk a little bit more

0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:52.400
<v Speaker 3>about her songwriting. I think that's the thing that she's

0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 3>sort of most proud of. She said in a twenty

0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:59.440
<v Speaker 3>twenty book, if I had to choose just one thing

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:02.560
<v Speaker 3>to be, would choose to be a songwriter. She's always

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 3>said that she loves writing from the male point of view.

0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:08.080
<v Speaker 3>She loves writing songs for men because a lot of

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:13.240
<v Speaker 3>her songs are sort of narrative story type songs, and

0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 3>she has written a lot of big, huge hits for

0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 3>people like Merle Haggard and Kenny Rogers and Hank Williams

0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 3>Junior and all kinds of dudes.

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:24.240
<v Speaker 2>Right. She also plays a bunch of instruments. The guitar,

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:26.639
<v Speaker 2>she says, is her strongest, and there's a lot of

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:29.720
<v Speaker 2>other string instruments that she can play. I saw a

0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:32.600
<v Speaker 2>video of one of her concerts. She's got a banjo

0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:35.960
<v Speaker 2>slung around her, yeah, her like she's got a strap

0:28:35.960 --> 0:28:38.080
<v Speaker 2>hanging from a strap while she's playing a fiddle really fast.

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 2>It's pretty amazing. But if you really want to be

0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:44.440
<v Speaker 2>amazed by Dolly, you should watch her play the saxophone,

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:49.080
<v Speaker 2>and in particular, at the Glastonbury Music Festival in twenty

0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:51.640
<v Speaker 2>fourteen in the UK, in front of a crowd of

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 2>one hundred thousand, she busted out her yackety sacks, Yeah,

0:28:56.000 --> 0:29:00.160
<v Speaker 2>the Benny Hill theme song, and it just Hill.

0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 1>It is.

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:03.959
<v Speaker 3>That whole show is a fun watch because it's you know,

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 3>it's in It's at the Glastonbury Festival and it's like,

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I think your legendary status just like

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 3>grew with that appearance.

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Like she was, you know, kind of a

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 2>cult favorite in the UK and then she became like

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 2>a like a pop culture favorite after that show.

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 3>Nine to five, the movie that you mentioned before in

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:25.760
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty was when she got into movie making, and

0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 3>it is a movie.

0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Boy.

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 3>Not only does it hold up today, but it is

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 3>that was ahead of its time and like even more

0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:35.160
<v Speaker 3>relevant today than it probably was then.

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Which is sad if you stop and think about it.

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:38.400
<v Speaker 1>No, no, totally sad.

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 2>But it was based on an actual movement called nine

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:42.760
<v Speaker 2>to five, the nine to five movement from the early

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 2>seventies that I guess Jane Fonda was aware of because

0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 2>she was one of the creators behind the movie nine

0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 2>to five, And that was an actual like movement led

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.880
<v Speaker 2>by Secretary starting in Boston and it spread around the

0:29:54.920 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 2>country and they were protesting sexual harassment low p getting

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:04.160
<v Speaker 2>passed over for promotions. And they had a great slogan

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:05.840
<v Speaker 2>that I saw raises not.

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Roses, raises not roses. Yeah, I love that.

0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:13.280
<v Speaker 2>I love it too, like your T shirt exactly.

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:15.840
<v Speaker 1>But some money exactly. I buy my own.

0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Flowers, right, I can buy my own flowers.

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what the back of the T shirt said.

0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:23.880
<v Speaker 3>And then parentheses quit pinching my butt.

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Plus also, that's a Miley Cyrus song. Who is Dolly

0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Parton's god daughter?

0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:30.440
<v Speaker 1>That's right?

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and Dolly credits that relationship with the fact that

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 3>millennials love Dolly.

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I wasn't aware of this, so everybody knows. Even

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 2>I know that Miley Cyrus was Hannah Montana on Nickelodeon

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 2>from I think two thousand and six to twenty eleven, right,

0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 2>and she would have Dolly on here or there as

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:53.840
<v Speaker 2>aunt Dolly like her aunt, Hannah Montana's aunt. And I

0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 2>guess like millennials just grew up watching that and that

0:30:57.040 --> 0:31:01.440
<v Speaker 2>she just exposed herself not literally but figuratively to an

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 2>entirely new generation, and it stuck like, that's that's how

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 2>they that's how they met Dolly, and they just kept

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 2>following her and loving her from that point on.

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 1>I love it.

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 3>She was in a bunch of movies over the years,

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:16.200
<v Speaker 3>Best Little Worehouse in Texas with Burt Reynolds of course

0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 3>part of the ensemble, and Steele Magnolia's. Very disappointingly, Olivia

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:25.240
<v Speaker 3>doesn't mention my favorite Dolly second favorite Dolly Parton movie,

0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:30.200
<v Speaker 3>which was Rhinestone with Sylvester Stallone, one of my big

0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 3>HBO movies. Early on, I watched that thing over and

0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:35.960
<v Speaker 3>over again. Stallone sings. Have you ever seen it?

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 2>No? I never have. I turned I turned the TV

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:39.720
<v Speaker 2>off after Life Force.

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 3>You should check out Rhinestone because still you know that

0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:48.400
<v Speaker 3>the premises She's to make a country star out of

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 3>Sylvester Stallone, and he has a song in there called

0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:58.840
<v Speaker 3>Drinkenstein instead of Frankenstein, and the chorus is Budweiser. You've

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:01.280
<v Speaker 3>created a monster and call him drinking style.

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 1>But still unreally sings, and it's.

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:06.720
<v Speaker 3>Just I think it's known probably as a bad movie,

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:08.760
<v Speaker 3>but it has a very special place in my heart.

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 2>It sounds like the prequel to Tulsa King. So she

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 2>also did you mention sand Dollar yet?

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:17.360
<v Speaker 1>No.

0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 2>She founded a production company with Sandy Gallan, her longtime

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 2>manager and friend, and they went on to produce movies

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 2>like Father of the Bride, Yeah, Buffy the Vampire Slayer,

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:30.120
<v Speaker 2>the movie.

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:31.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 2>She also did a straight Talk which she was in

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 2>where she plays a woman who accidentally becomes a radio

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:41.880
<v Speaker 2>host and of course just shoots into the stratosphere and popularity.

0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I never saw that.

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah it was. It was okay, okay, not her

0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:51.760
<v Speaker 2>best work, but still she was amazing at Steele Magnolia's.

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:55.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like, if you if you go back and yeah,

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 2>if you go back and watch some of those scenes

0:32:57.040 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 2>between her and her husband in particular, it's she's a

0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 2>really good actress.

0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:04.600
<v Speaker 3>No, she's good and in fact, but the Shelby I

0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:07.840
<v Speaker 3>just did was more Sally Field, not that I think

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:08.240
<v Speaker 3>about it.

0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 2>I detected Hannah sally Field in there.

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.200
<v Speaker 3>All right, I think let's take another break and then

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:15.640
<v Speaker 3>we'll This was going to go a little long, but

0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 3>that's okay because we're about to dive into Dollywood right

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:47.200
<v Speaker 3>after this. Shelby all right, my friend, here we are.

0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:50.360
<v Speaker 3>I'll set it up with how it starts, and then

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:52.560
<v Speaker 3>you can just take over because you've actually been there.

0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 3>But in an interview in nineteen eighty two with Barbara Walters,

0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:00.960
<v Speaker 3>Dolly Parton said something about being interest did in opening

0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:02.560
<v Speaker 3>up a theme park back home.

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 1>And there was a theme park.

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 3>Silver Dollar City, in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee, and the owners,

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 3>Jack and Pete Hershand heard this interview, gave her a

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 3>call and was like, let's get together on this, and

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:17.840
<v Speaker 3>they did to great success.

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, four years later Dollywood opened. It reopened as Dollywood.

0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:24.879
<v Speaker 2>I should say, just that first year they doubled their

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:30.239
<v Speaker 2>entries to one point three million people coming. And that's

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:32.640
<v Speaker 2>not just a full year, Like it snows and everything

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of shuts down in the winter time in Pigeon

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 2>Forger and the Smoky So I'm guessing they crammed a

0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:42.240
<v Speaker 2>lot of those people in in a very short amount

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:44.479
<v Speaker 2>of time, probably summer. I don't know why I'm going

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 2>off on this tangent, but it just seemed to work.

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 1>They close in the winter be.

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Quiet too, So it was a success right out of

0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:55.160
<v Speaker 2>the gate, I should say. And a little known fact

0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 2>or it's a rumor that a lot of people don't

0:34:57.520 --> 0:35:01.839
<v Speaker 2>realize as actual fact. They period a time capsule there

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 2>on opening day and it contains an unreleased Dolly song

0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 2>No Way that is not to be open until I

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 2>think she's ninety nine years old?

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:15.399
<v Speaker 1>Wow, which is what is she now? Seventy six, seventy eight?

0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:15.759
<v Speaker 2>I think?

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so it's it's close.

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we can wait.

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 3>She sees it yet, Oh we'll wait. So tell me

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:24.319
<v Speaker 3>about Dollywood. I want to I want to know more.

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 2>So it is a you can definitely believe that it

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:30.800
<v Speaker 2>used to be a silver dollar city. They preserved a

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:33.799
<v Speaker 2>lot of stuff. There's a coal fired train that kind

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 2>of takes you around on some neat vistas and everything.

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:39.520
<v Speaker 2>There's We went and we went around Christmas time, which

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:42.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of undermines my argument about being shutting down in

0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:46.080
<v Speaker 2>the winter. We went for Humi's birthday actually like one year,

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:50.520
<v Speaker 2>and there was like a Christmas show where there was

0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 2>like singing and dancing. But it was so corny that

0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:55.000
<v Speaker 2>I was waiting for everybody to be like, oh, you know,

0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:57.720
<v Speaker 2>we're just joking, here's the real show. It never happened.

0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:01.439
<v Speaker 2>It was just that like kitchy am in earnest, Yeah,

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 2>and just corny, but it was very sweet in retrospect,

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 2>especially hard to sit through, but very sweet. And then

0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 2>there's just a lot of like people dipping candles, there's

0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:14.440
<v Speaker 2>tons of food to eat. There's a roller coaster that

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:17.920
<v Speaker 2>neither you me nor I went on. But there's a

0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:22.160
<v Speaker 2>museum there that's closed temporarily because apparently they're reimagining it.

0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:25.400
<v Speaker 2>But it was originally called the Chasing Rainbows Museum. And

0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:31.520
<v Speaker 2>Dolly Parton is a just self professed packrat. She saved everything,

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 2>chuck everything. The Coat of Many Colors that she sings about,

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:38.839
<v Speaker 2>it's there. You can see it in real life right there,

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:41.879
<v Speaker 2>and it's the tiniest, cutest little thing you've ever seen

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 2>in your entire life. It's so tiny, and.

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:48.239
<v Speaker 1>When she was a kid, right out of all rags that.

0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:50.560
<v Speaker 2>She sang about in that Coat of Many Colors and

0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:53.239
<v Speaker 2>it's what a great song. But then just just to

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 2>love that song and then see the actual coat and

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:57.920
<v Speaker 2>then just see how dinky it is. It was just amazing.

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:00.160
<v Speaker 2>Those lists I told you she used to keep, she

0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 2>kept those, Those are on display, wigs, rhinestones everywhere. But

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:08.239
<v Speaker 2>it's not just like this odor tribute to Dolly. It's

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:13.439
<v Speaker 2>a genuine, like curated look into her whole career, and

0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:15.839
<v Speaker 2>it's it was one of the best museums I've ever

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 2>been to in my life of any kind.

0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Why didn't you guys ride the roller coaster?

0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 2>We're both scared of roller coasters.

0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I don't think I remembered that.

0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:26.799
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I've been scared of roller coasters for decades, but

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm starting to come out of it. Okay,

0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 2>And I might go challenge myself and ride a few

0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 2>roller coasters this summer and see if I'm correct or

0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:36.920
<v Speaker 2>if I'm really really wrong.

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:40.799
<v Speaker 3>Well, you should go to six Flags with Ruby and I,

0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:44.440
<v Speaker 3>because there's nothing like getting your courage worked up than

0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:47.600
<v Speaker 3>a seven year old who will ride anything, okay, staring

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:48.240
<v Speaker 3>you in the face.

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:50.799
<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, I may use that. That's just the

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:51.960
<v Speaker 2>elixir I'm looking for.

0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, she'll go on whatever. And she's just like

0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 3>she wouldn't understand. She'd be like, why don't you want

0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:58.120
<v Speaker 3>to go on it? What do you mean you're scared?

0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:01.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't You're of ruining things for me.

0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:04.480
<v Speaker 3>Uh, well, I want to go to Dollywood, so maybe

0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 3>we can go to six Wags and then Dollywood and

0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:08.279
<v Speaker 3>just do a theme park round up.

0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:11.640
<v Speaker 2>I strongly recommend it because there's like all sorts of

0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:17.000
<v Speaker 2>stuff in nearby Gatlinburg and Pigeon Ford, Ripley's Museums and

0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 2>just all sorts of just cool, super kitchy touristy stuff.

0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 2>I think, Oh, what's his name? Uh, the guy who

0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:28.640
<v Speaker 2>sings Proud to be an American?

0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Lee Green Greenwood.

0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:33.040
<v Speaker 2>There's the Lee Greenwood Cafe where they no joke, play

0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:36.800
<v Speaker 2>those song oh no, loop over and over again. The

0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:39.239
<v Speaker 2>whole time You're like, where's the next song? They don't

0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 2>play the next song.

0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 3>I heard that song every night of the summer for

0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 3>like five summers when I worked at the Stow Mountain

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:45.120
<v Speaker 3>laser shop.

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:46.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I'll bet I.

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Got my fill of it.

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:51.000
<v Speaker 3>Uh, So we can talk a little bit more about

0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:53.799
<v Speaker 3>her politics she's and this is where the sociologists and

0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 3>anthropologists come in. There's a sociologist named Treci McMillan Cottum

0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:02.279
<v Speaker 3>that has written about how black women have always looked

0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:05.279
<v Speaker 3>up to Dolly Parton as a role model, even though

0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:07.800
<v Speaker 3>she is like it's a very specific sort of white

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:12.880
<v Speaker 3>Southern thing that she embodies. Again, just you know, testifies

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:16.160
<v Speaker 3>to her crossover appeal that she is to be admired

0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:16.800
<v Speaker 3>by anybody.

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Her Q score.

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:20.200
<v Speaker 3>If you don't know what a Q score is, it's

0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:23.440
<v Speaker 3>a marketing tool that basically there's a bunch of things

0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 3>that go into your Q score, but it's basically how

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:27.959
<v Speaker 3>how much people like you, how much they recognize your name.

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 3>And her Q score is like legendarily one of the

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:33.960
<v Speaker 3>top Q scores of all time celebrity.

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:35.839
<v Speaker 2>Was she has a high positive Q score. They also

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 2>do a negative Q score and she's a very low

0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:41.600
<v Speaker 2>negative Q score, So she's among the most beloved and

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 2>among the least disliked people in the entire world.

0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I don't want to know my Q score.

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:48.880
<v Speaker 2>I looked it up. We don't have one yet.

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay, good.

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:52.520
<v Speaker 2>But I was reading this article on the Conversation and

0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:55.719
<v Speaker 2>these two Australian marketing people were trying to figure out

0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:58.759
<v Speaker 2>who would have been Australia's Dolly, and they landed on

0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Hugh Jackman. And I'm like, I can't disagree with that.

0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:03.120
<v Speaker 1>He's pretty likable.

0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Sure everybody likes Hugh Jackman. Yeah, I would agree with that,

0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:11.440
<v Speaker 2>even though he did the Greatest Showman, right people still

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:12.759
<v Speaker 2>like Hugh Jackman.

0:40:13.920 --> 0:40:15.080
<v Speaker 1>The anthropologist comes in.

0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:18.520
<v Speaker 3>A man named Jonathan Zilberg in nineteen ninety five talked

0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:23.880
<v Speaker 3>about how she was loved in Zimbabwe, of all places,

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:27.760
<v Speaker 3>and again it's just like, you know, pick a country

0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 3>and chances are people there love Dolly Parton.

0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:33.239
<v Speaker 2>And in Dolly Parton's America. And then they talk about

0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 2>how Nelson Mandela, while he was in prison in South Africa,

0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:41.240
<v Speaker 2>got his jailers to play Joe Lean for the whole Yeah,

0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:44.720
<v Speaker 2>holds in jail basically all Shawshank redemption.

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:49.120
<v Speaker 3>Uh huh, pretty cool, Pretty cool. And like you said earlier,

0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:52.960
<v Speaker 3>she basically just avoids politics. She doesn't let any politician

0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:56.520
<v Speaker 3>on either side use her music. If a Democrat uses it,

0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:59.040
<v Speaker 3>she shuts him down. If a Republican uses it, she

0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:01.960
<v Speaker 3>shuts him down. She just sort of side steps all

0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:07.280
<v Speaker 3>that stuff. She's always been, you know, growing up. Of course,

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:10.640
<v Speaker 3>in the seventies there were a lot of playground jokes

0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:12.600
<v Speaker 3>about Dolly Parton's breast size.

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:14.279
<v Speaker 1>She was very well known for.

0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:16.439
<v Speaker 3>It, and she's always been the first one to jump

0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:19.080
<v Speaker 3>in and joke about it herself. Instead of being like

0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:22.640
<v Speaker 3>the butt of the joke, she can just go along

0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 3>with it, and that's just that's another really likable quality

0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:27.719
<v Speaker 3>as someone who can and can laugh at themselves and

0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:28.920
<v Speaker 3>not take things too seriously.

0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:34.160
<v Speaker 2>I also saw it put that she she knows that

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:36.080
<v Speaker 2>these jokes are going to be made anyway, so she

0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:38.520
<v Speaker 2>can diffuse them by getting out in front of them

0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 2>and topping, you know, the lame jokes that like old

0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:42.399
<v Speaker 2>talk show hosts would make.

0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:46.080
<v Speaker 2>I saw once she said that she burned her braw

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:48.839
<v Speaker 2>and it took the fire department three days to put

0:41:48.880 --> 0:41:52.200
<v Speaker 2>it out, like that kind of stuff. That's hilarious. That

0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:52.839
<v Speaker 2>was her joke.

0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's good, that's very funny.

0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:57.960
<v Speaker 2>So I think we mentioned this before. Do you know

0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:02.240
<v Speaker 2>that Dolly the sheep, the first cloned animal on the planet,

0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 2>was named Dolly because she was grown from a mammary gland.

0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:09.000
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I can't remember where we talked about that,

0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:12.359
<v Speaker 2>but it really just goes to show like that's how

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:16.560
<v Speaker 2>ubiquitous Dolly Parton's boobs were in the twentieth century, Like

0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 2>they were as big as she was. Basically, Yeah, they

0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:22.279
<v Speaker 2>were definitely part of her intended they were definitely part

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:23.640
<v Speaker 2>of her brand for sure.

0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:27.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, she was smart enough to lean into it.

0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:30.520
<v Speaker 3>Another thing that she had done over the years is

0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:32.600
<v Speaker 3>there are a lot of really dark songs that she's

0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:37.520
<v Speaker 3>written about. Even though she's never kind of outright considered

0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:40.239
<v Speaker 3>herself a feminist, she very much is and a lot

0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:41.919
<v Speaker 3>of the songs she's written over the years have been

0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:46.960
<v Speaker 3>very dark songs about women who are either abandoned or

0:42:47.680 --> 0:42:50.080
<v Speaker 3>suffering from sexual double standards.

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Or there's one brutal song.

0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:54.600
<v Speaker 3>From nineteen seventy called Daddy Come and Get Me about

0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:56.719
<v Speaker 3>a true story of a relative in her family that

0:42:56.880 --> 0:43:01.040
<v Speaker 3>was basically institutionalized by her husband. So she's never been

0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:03.360
<v Speaker 3>afraid to go down sort of in the tradition of

0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:06.080
<v Speaker 3>the old sort of dark country murder ballad thing, go

0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:08.440
<v Speaker 3>down these darker roads with some of the songs she's written.

0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I saw that she considers herself not a feminist,

0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:14.800
<v Speaker 2>but in favor of all women. She's for all women.

0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:19.160
<v Speaker 2>So it's like she doesn't subscribe to the movement part,

0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 2>but what the movement's ultimately about, she's totally in favor with,

0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:29.440
<v Speaker 2>and that's super her. She made a very rare, overt

0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:33.600
<v Speaker 2>statement when she came out in support of Black Lives Matter,

0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:37.400
<v Speaker 2>and at a time where it was like, you're casting

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:40.600
<v Speaker 2>your lot one way or another, and she stood up

0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:42.480
<v Speaker 2>for it, which is pretty.

0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:43.399
<v Speaker 1>Cool she did.

0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:48.759
<v Speaker 3>She also in twenty eighteen that was at Dollywood, the

0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:52.759
<v Speaker 3>Dixie Stampede, she changed the name to Dolly Parton Stampede

0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:57.240
<v Speaker 3>after people complained about the whole Dixie connotation and Civil

0:43:57.280 --> 0:43:57.759
<v Speaker 3>War theme.

0:43:57.800 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 1>She changed that up, and she was.

0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:01.719
<v Speaker 3>Just like, you know, I never really thought about, you know,

0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 3>the Confederate imagery, meaning what it meant to people, and

0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 3>so she was happily changed it. And that's just the

0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:10.439
<v Speaker 3>kind of person she is, I think.

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:12.279
<v Speaker 2>And she got gufh for that, and she got guff

0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 2>for supporting Black Lives Matter from some of her her

0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:20.440
<v Speaker 2>right leaning fans. But she can always explain herself, you know,

0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:22.719
<v Speaker 2>and she does so in such a great way that

0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:25.840
<v Speaker 2>you're just kind of like, well, fine, it's hard to

0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:28.319
<v Speaker 2>be you can't keep a grudge against her, even if

0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:30.800
<v Speaker 2>she goes against you politically, but she just so rarely

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:31.160
<v Speaker 2>does it.

0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, agreed, she is.

0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:36.879
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna wind it down with her business in philanthropy,

0:44:37.880 --> 0:44:41.239
<v Speaker 3>very savvy business person from the very beginning. She was

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:44.640
<v Speaker 3>smart enough to hang on to her the rights to

0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:46.560
<v Speaker 3>her own music and never give him up. Even when

0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:49.879
<v Speaker 3>Elvis Presley came Colin and wanted to cover I Will

0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:52.840
<v Speaker 3>Always Love You. He wanted half the publishing rights, and

0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:55.480
<v Speaker 3>she was like, no way, He'd take a walk Elvis Presley.

0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 2>He didn't. Apparently, Colonel Tom called her up on the

0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:01.759
<v Speaker 2>morning of the scheduled record varing session and sprung that

0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:04.680
<v Speaker 2>on her, and she turned him down. And she was

0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:07.600
<v Speaker 2>hoping that Elvis was as disappointed as she was. But

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:09.880
<v Speaker 2>that took a lot of gumption, especially to have it

0:45:09.920 --> 0:45:12.600
<v Speaker 2>sprung on you like that, and she said, Nope, not

0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:14.680
<v Speaker 2>doing it. But that's one of the things that made

0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:18.879
<v Speaker 2>her so incredibly wealthy. Like apparently her music catalog has

0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:21.320
<v Speaker 2>a net worth of about one hundred and fifty million

0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:24.360
<v Speaker 2>dollars and brings in about six to eight million dollars

0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:27.560
<v Speaker 2>a year for her, according to I think Forbes, and

0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:32.240
<v Speaker 2>then her steak in Dollywood is her her most valuable asset.

0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:35.680
<v Speaker 2>I think it's like one hundred and sixty five million dollars.

0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:36.239
<v Speaker 2>Pretty neat.

0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:38.280
<v Speaker 1>She has done quite well for herself.

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:43.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she I mean these days she's she's not stopping either.

0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:48.520
<v Speaker 3>She's she's on Duncan Hine's buttermilk biscuit mix with her

0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:53.719
<v Speaker 3>little cartoon face. They have fragrances branded by Dolly. They

0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 3>have pet clothes that she's branded with, Like just all

0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:00.960
<v Speaker 3>kinds of things. She's not afraid to license her image

0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:02.120
<v Speaker 3>for sure.

0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:05.440
<v Speaker 2>We've got that the Duncan Hines frosting in our pantry.

0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Do you the chocolate chocolate cream frosting. And then one

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:10.239
<v Speaker 2>other thing I saw, chuck. She wrote a book. Co

0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:12.759
<v Speaker 2>wrote a book with James Patterson, one of the best,

0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:15.520
<v Speaker 2>one of the most favorite novelists in the entire world.

0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 2>It's called Run Rows Run, and it's a thriller based

0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:21.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of loosely on Dolly's story of making it in

0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:24.400
<v Speaker 2>the music basins. Oh wow, yeah, I think it just

0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:24.799
<v Speaker 2>came out.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let me have to check that out. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>She is very charitable as well. She started the Dollywood

0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:35.040
<v Speaker 3>Foundation in nineteen eighty eight just to get literacy going

0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:39.560
<v Speaker 3>in her home county, and it grew and grew and

0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:43.640
<v Speaker 3>grew to the point where it is now in the US, Canada, Australia,

0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 3>the UK, and Ireland, and to date the program has

0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:50.080
<v Speaker 3>given out more than two hundred and four million books

0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:54.320
<v Speaker 3>may across these countries. And you know she'll build a

0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:59.960
<v Speaker 3>hospital in her county. Anytime there's like wildfires nearby, she's

0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:04.120
<v Speaker 3>chipping in. She very famously donated a million dollars to

0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:09.239
<v Speaker 3>Vanderbilt University Medical Center for COVID nineteen vaccine research. And

0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:13.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, people don't credit her with the MODERNA vaccine,

0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:17.080
<v Speaker 3>but they're like, that million dollars was instrumental in getting

0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:18.760
<v Speaker 3>that vaccine to trial.

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she also was like everybody go get jabbed.

0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:25.760
<v Speaker 2>There was a video at one round of her getting

0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:29.880
<v Speaker 2>her own vaccine, the first one, I think, and she

0:47:29.920 --> 0:47:33.440
<v Speaker 2>was singing vaccine to the tune of Joe Lene and.

0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Sing pretty nice die in.

0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:38.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. It was great. So one other thing though

0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:42.920
<v Speaker 2>about her foundation. One reason she got into literacy programs

0:47:43.000 --> 0:47:45.840
<v Speaker 2>was because her father never learned to read, and apparently

0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:47.960
<v Speaker 2>he told her just before he died that he was

0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:50.760
<v Speaker 2>most proud of her for that work that she'd done

0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:55.000
<v Speaker 2>with promoting literacy around the world. It's pretty cool. It

0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:55.880
<v Speaker 2>makes it even neaterer.

0:47:56.600 --> 0:47:59.040
<v Speaker 3>And in addition to the vaccine Jolene song, she also

0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:01.680
<v Speaker 3>did a version of I Will Always Jab You.

0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:06.759
<v Speaker 2>It was less popular. Less popular sounds a little aggressive.

0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:12.319
<v Speaker 3>She's been nominated for fifty three Grammys. Fifty three she's

0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:14.840
<v Speaker 3>won ten, which I think that number should be higher,

0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:19.920
<v Speaker 3>But you know, they have given her Lifetime Achievement Awards

0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:23.240
<v Speaker 3>and Joelene and I Will Always Love You were inducted

0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:25.799
<v Speaker 3>into the Grammy Hall of Fame, so they have like

0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:28.520
<v Speaker 3>heaped awards on her even when she has not won

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:32.440
<v Speaker 3>the actual Grammy. And she's also won an Emmy, right yeah.

0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:36.120
<v Speaker 2>She was also up for two Oscars for Best Song

0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:41.279
<v Speaker 2>for Traveling Through for trans America and I think two

0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:44.560
<v Speaker 2>thousand and six and then.

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<v Speaker 1>Nine to five not win.

0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:47.880
<v Speaker 2>No, it was beaten by Fame.

0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, tough year.

0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Traveling Through was beaten by hard out There for a

0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Pimp from Hustle and Flow.

0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:57.160
<v Speaker 1>That's a good song too.

0:48:57.200 --> 0:48:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Are you gonna top that?

0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:00.960
<v Speaker 3>It's really hard. I was getting getting ready to trash

0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:03.840
<v Speaker 3>whatever beat out nine to five? But yeah, Fame is

0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:04.359
<v Speaker 3>a great song.

0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:05.440
<v Speaker 1>That's a tough year.

0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:08.960
<v Speaker 2>That's a very tough year. But she also has two

0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Guinness World Records to her name, one of which is

0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:15.319
<v Speaker 2>Most Decades with the Top twenty Hit, which really just

0:49:15.320 --> 0:49:17.239
<v Speaker 2>goes to show how long she's been around it, how

0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:18.320
<v Speaker 2>long she's been.

0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:19.759
<v Speaker 1>Huge you know what else?

0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:23.239
<v Speaker 3>She has two of what stars on the Hollywood Walk

0:49:23.239 --> 0:49:23.920
<v Speaker 3>of Fame, DOWO.

0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I know, is there anybody else who has that?

0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:31.160
<v Speaker 3>I think so people in different media, although probably not

0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:31.680
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people.

0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:32.880
<v Speaker 1>I bet it's a pretty short list.

0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:37.240
<v Speaker 3>One in nineteen eighty four and then one in twenty eighteen,

0:49:37.360 --> 0:49:41.879
<v Speaker 3>when I guess the final Trio of Trio albums came out.

0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:45.359
<v Speaker 2>So if you think Dolly's slowing down, friend, you are

0:49:45.520 --> 0:49:48.640
<v Speaker 2>dead wrong. Yep, she's got a new album coming out.

0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:50.120
<v Speaker 2>So she was inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall

0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:52.880
<v Speaker 2>of Fame despite her protests. She's like, I'm not a rocker.

0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Apparently she's like, all right, well I better go be

0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:59.279
<v Speaker 2>a rocker and earn that honor. She's so, her next

0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:02.839
<v Speaker 2>studio album, her forty ninth, is coming out I think

0:50:02.920 --> 0:50:06.439
<v Speaker 2>this fall, and it's called rock Star. And she's going

0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:08.759
<v Speaker 2>to be singing with some other rock stars too.

0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Stevie Nick's, Paul McCartney share, I love it. Yep.

0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Vince Neil, No, not Vince Neil.

0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:18.399
<v Speaker 2>That's correct, Not Vince Neil.

0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:22.040
<v Speaker 1>No, just kidding, that'd be pretty amazing.

0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Actually, you got anything else about Dolly Parton?

0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

0:50:25.400 --> 0:50:28.120
<v Speaker 2>I've got one other thing before you answer. She wakes

0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:29.919
<v Speaker 2>up at three am every day.

0:50:30.640 --> 0:50:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh and just daughter of a sharecropper. Yeah, I guess

0:50:35.360 --> 0:50:36.040
<v Speaker 1>that's amazing.

0:50:36.200 --> 0:50:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you got anything else?

0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:39.480
<v Speaker 1>I got nothing else?

0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:43.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I don't either. I don't think, but I'm gonna

0:50:43.200 --> 0:50:45.200
<v Speaker 2>think of ten things after we're done recording.

0:50:45.600 --> 0:50:47.799
<v Speaker 3>I know I'm gonna I've been listening to Dolly Parton

0:50:47.840 --> 0:50:49.440
<v Speaker 3>all day, so it's gonna continue on.

0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not hard to do. If you want to

0:50:53.040 --> 0:50:55.600
<v Speaker 2>know more about Dolly Parton, friend, go listen to Dolly Parton.

0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Go watch videos of Dolly Parton, Go read interviews with

0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Dolly Parton. She was once described as a black belt interviewee,

0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:04.360
<v Speaker 2>so you'll never be disappointed with a Dolly Parton interview.

0:51:04.640 --> 0:51:06.560
<v Speaker 2>And since I said you'll never be disappointed by a

0:51:06.600 --> 0:51:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Dolly Parton interview, that has opened up listener mail.

0:51:12.719 --> 0:51:16.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to call this great email follow up from Arcades. Hey, guys,

0:51:16.640 --> 0:51:19.200
<v Speaker 3>want to tell you a story of my very traditional grandmother.

0:51:20.840 --> 0:51:23.400
<v Speaker 3>She was very traditional in the Midwestern sense, and she

0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:26.040
<v Speaker 3>was a homemaker. Oh yeah, have books for my grandfather's

0:51:26.080 --> 0:51:29.880
<v Speaker 3>iron working concern. She didn't tolerate cussing or fussing, and

0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:31.920
<v Speaker 3>was a conservative dresser.

0:51:32.160 --> 0:51:33.239
<v Speaker 2>She liked the calico.

0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:38.120
<v Speaker 1>She didn't have any obvious vices save one. Pac Man.

0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:40.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, to hear her tell it, there was a

0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:42.080
<v Speaker 3>time where she would wake up before her husband and

0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:44.480
<v Speaker 3>five children, power up the atari, and start a pac

0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:46.960
<v Speaker 3>Man game. After thirty minutes or so, she would get

0:51:46.960 --> 0:51:49.279
<v Speaker 3>breakfast on the table, get her family out the door,

0:51:49.440 --> 0:51:52.200
<v Speaker 3>and do the books, clean the house, and then finally

0:51:52.200 --> 0:51:54.520
<v Speaker 3>get back to her paused pac Man game, which she

0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:56.799
<v Speaker 3>would play until it was time to start dinner when

0:51:56.840 --> 0:51:57.799
<v Speaker 3>her family came back home.

0:51:57.840 --> 0:51:59.800
<v Speaker 2>That's awesome. She had pac Man fever.

0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:00.680
<v Speaker 1>That's good.

0:52:01.239 --> 0:52:03.160
<v Speaker 3>It wouldn't be much of a story, guys, except here's

0:52:03.160 --> 0:52:06.239
<v Speaker 3>the thing. She was really really good at pac Man.

0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:09.080
<v Speaker 3>She once told me she had the first forty something

0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:12.240
<v Speaker 3>levels memorized and could use them to rack up points

0:52:12.239 --> 0:52:15.160
<v Speaker 3>and then thus extra lives. She got to a point

0:52:15.160 --> 0:52:17.440
<v Speaker 3>where she could play the same game all day long. Eventually,

0:52:17.440 --> 0:52:20.239
<v Speaker 3>she would describe getting to a high enough level where

0:52:20.280 --> 0:52:23.360
<v Speaker 3>the game would freeze. Oh and what she was describing

0:52:23.480 --> 0:52:27.200
<v Speaker 3>was level two fifty six to kill screen, and said

0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:29.480
<v Speaker 3>she was home alone every time she reached it, and

0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:31.600
<v Speaker 3>the Internet wasn't a household thing. No one ever knew

0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:32.479
<v Speaker 3>what she was talking about.

0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:35.839
<v Speaker 2>She just rolled the door be like somebody, anybody come look.

0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:39.359
<v Speaker 3>It was until many years later that I saw King

0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:41.360
<v Speaker 3>of Kong and saw the footage of the kill screen

0:52:41.400 --> 0:52:44.680
<v Speaker 3>my grandmother had described. Couldn't believe my eyes or the

0:52:44.719 --> 0:52:47.520
<v Speaker 3>fact that my conservative grandmother was such an early skilled

0:52:47.560 --> 0:52:50.200
<v Speaker 3>gamer neat. She since passed away, But every time the

0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:52.880
<v Speaker 3>subject of pac Man comes up brings a smile to

0:52:52.920 --> 0:52:53.480
<v Speaker 3>my face.

0:52:53.280 --> 0:52:56.960
<v Speaker 1>And I remember her and her high scores. That is

0:52:56.960 --> 0:53:00.160
<v Speaker 1>from Aaron Miller of Kansas City, that Kansas.

0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's rare. You don't usually hear from those people

0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Kansas side. Well, thanks a lot, Aaron, that's a fantastic story.

0:53:08.719 --> 0:53:10.640
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0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:14.200
<v Speaker 2>Kansas side of Kansas City to us. And if you

0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:16.399
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0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:19.480
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