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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too, and today we're gonna make

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Speaker 2: some joyful noise together here on Stuff you should Know.

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Speaker 1: That's right. I just poured myself a cup of ambition.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh, I had a few of those this.

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Speaker 3: Morning before we dive into Dolly Parton land. We should

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Speaker 3: talk about our tour really quick because we're looking to

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Speaker 3: sell some more tickets specifically, well everywhere, but specifically DC

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Speaker 3: and Toronto.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, for the whole shebang. We're gonna be in

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Speaker 2: d C, Boston and then Toronto May fourth, fifth, and sixth.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's right, And there are plenty of great seats available.

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Speaker 3: This is a really good show. I think one of

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Speaker 3: the best ones we've done in a long time. And

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Speaker 3: if you're in the Northeast, like, this is it. We're

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Speaker 3: not doing New York this year.

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Speaker 1: Are you sorry?

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Speaker 2: New York?

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Speaker 3: But if you live the Northeast, this is this is

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Speaker 3: your chance because we're doing the Southeast in the fall,

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Speaker 3: and that's this is your opportunity.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a great angle for this marketing campaign here.

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Speaker 1: Chuck, Yeah, Northeast or bust.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that's enough about us, everybody. We're here to

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Speaker 2: really talk about Dolly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So Livia helped us with this one. And you know,

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Speaker 3: we've remarked about how Livia is getting great at titling

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Speaker 3: the articles even though she doesn't even have to, right

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Speaker 3: she does it because she's creative and talented. And her

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Speaker 3: title for this is why does everyone love Dolly Parton?

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Speaker 3: And we're going to explain that, But I think the

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Speaker 3: easiest thing to say is since the nineteen seventies, this

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Speaker 3: is a woman who was basically just put goodness into

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Speaker 3: the world at every turn.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I was reading an interview with her

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Speaker 2: in Rolling Stone from nineteen eighty, like nine to five

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Speaker 2: told me it was from twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: She just she's been the same way this whole time. Great.

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Speaker 2: She she doesn't like get into any political stuff. She said,

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Speaker 2: I'm not political. I won't talk about politics.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't.

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Speaker 2: She leaves hot button issues alone. But if it means

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Speaker 2: something to her, it's really meaningful, she'll she'll come out

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Speaker 2: on you know, in favor of it. Endorsing it, but

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Speaker 2: she doesn't put anything down. She might support something, but

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Speaker 2: she's not going to put anything down publicly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So the other kind of funny thing about this one

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Speaker 3: from Livia is she always includes her sources, and she

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Speaker 3: may have broken her own source record.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, there were probably one hundred sources. But we

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Speaker 3: did want to mention one in particular because I listened

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Speaker 3: to this from jad Abamrad, the great jad Abamrab of

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Speaker 3: Radio ab Fame, m like four years ago put out

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Speaker 3: the wonderful series Dolly Parton's America. Yeah, and Livia binged

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Speaker 3: it and I listened to it back then, and back

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Speaker 3: then I was like, oh man, I want to do

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Speaker 3: an episode on Dolly Parton. But it's like Jad it

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Speaker 3: like he covered it so well, like what's the point

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: But now four years on, I was like, well, we

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Speaker 3: The stuff you should know treatment, which is to say,

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Speaker 3: not as not as deep a dive, but it's a

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Speaker 3: great series. If you want to learn more about Dolly Parton,

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Speaker 3: then check out Dolly Parton's America.

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Speaker 2: Very nice. And then just to button up, Chuck, we

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Speaker 2: were trying to answer that question, why does everybody love Dolly?

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Speaker 2: I came up with another hypothesis too, Okay, it's that

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Speaker 2: you know, when somebody is like, they can be anything

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Speaker 2: different angles, so everybody just assumes they're like them. Dolly

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Speaker 2: can't be pigeonholed into one box or another, right, but

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, find someone that's gonna talk some Dolly Parton

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Speaker 3: and then you and I really can a discussion in

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Speaker 2: It's a sad state of affairs, though, dude, because there's

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Speaker 2: the upshot of it is people are amazed that people

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Speaker 2: don't hate Dolly Parton, and it's true. People don't hate

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's she's someone that is so I think,

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Speaker 3: kind of universally beloved and internationally beloved. That as you'll

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Speaker 3: see later in this episode there, she's been studied by

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Speaker 3: anthropologists and sociologists.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is pretty amazing. And so let's start at

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Speaker 1: the beginning, shall we wait?

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Speaker 2: Hold on one more thing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, more praise.

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Speaker 2: The other thing about her, I think that's so amazing

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Speaker 2: why everybody's just so fascinated with her right now. She's

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Speaker 2: maybe the one person who is straddling both sides of

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Speaker 2: like hanging on by her fingernails. She's like, I got

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Speaker 2: not I'm not trying to fool either side. This. This

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Speaker 3: Basically, it's almost like being a genuine human who stays

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Speaker 2: Sure, but it also shows she shows that that's such

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Speaker 2: a rarity in this world that that you can be

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Speaker 2: globally beloved by just doing that and also making like

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Speaker 2: a ton of really great music too.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, come on, we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 3: all this stuff, but can we.

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Speaker 1: Go back to the beginning now? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, okay, Hey, never apologize about singing the praises

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Speaker 2: That's a great rule of stuff.

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Speaker 1: You should, no motto.

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Speaker 3: And I just can't wait till we get to the

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Speaker 3: Dollywood stuff, because you've been and I have not. All right,

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Speaker 3: So she was born Dolly Rebecca Parton in nineteen forty six,

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Speaker 1: How do you pronounce this? Is it severe? County?

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's just severe.

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Speaker 2: Threw his face into us palm like these guys.

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Speaker 3: But she was born to a big family of twelve kids.

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Speaker 3: And it's kind of fun to look up photos of

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Speaker 3: Dolly and all her siblings because you know a few

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Speaker 3: of her sisters look a lot like her.

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Speaker 1: All her brothers look.

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Speaker 3: Like you know, they should be like shooting pool down

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Speaker 3: Just sort of genuine article smoky Mountain Tennessee foothills people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the fourth of twelve. And all fourteen people in

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Speaker 2: her family lived in a two room cabin. And I've

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Speaker 2: I mean two rooms my friend with the outhouse, no

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But she says she had a great childhood running around

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's more of a personal relationship between

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is supposed to be.

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Speaker 2: So she really lucked out because she had an uncle

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Speaker 3: to her very first recording, Puppy Love from nineteen fifty nine,

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Speaker 3: You know, you can hear Dolly in that young voice.

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Speaker 3: And like I said, she was thirteen. And that was

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Speaker 3: the same year that she made her very first appearance

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Speaker 3: at the Grand Old Opry, introduced.

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Speaker 1: By none other than Johnny Cash.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who was her first big crush, so it was

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Speaker 2: even more amazing for unbelievable. Her family didn't get to

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Speaker 2: see it though, because Dolly Parton was on TV before

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Speaker 2: her family had a TV at home. Yeah, which is

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Speaker 2: whenever it was, she was on TV first, her family

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Speaker 2: So thanks to Uncle Billy taking her around and banging

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Speaker 2: Records in nineteen sixty two, which is nothing to sneeze at.

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Speaker 2: But I get the impression that it wasn't like her.

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Speaker 2: This this episode might be your big break, Chuck. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: No, that's you thinking about being flirted with by Dolly Partner.

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Speaker 3: Well, dude, I grew up as you did, but I'm,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my introduction to her was through nine to five.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, we'll talk about nine to five and

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Speaker 1: It's a good setup.

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Speaker 3: But how about we take a break, Yes, and we'll

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we're talking about Dolly becoming a star. Like

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Speaker 2: But at first she was like, no way, Like have

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Speaker 3: Nineteen sixty seven her first record Hello I'm Dolly, which

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Speaker 2: Yes, I was looking up Something Fishy and it's about

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Speaker 2: So one of the lines is, I guess some large

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Speaker 2: That's like perfect debut. Dolly like at what age, like

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Speaker 3: And Porter Wagoner is someone that we talked about on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they started touring a lot too, and she

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Speaker 2: She probably did and just figured like, Okay, at least

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But because she's Dolly Parton and so beloved. When they

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Speaker 2: Oh really, I've read that his last dying words were,

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Speaker 2: I'll never forgive you. That's what I'm gonna say on

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Speaker 2: my deathbed. No, I'm just gonna like wave my finger

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Speaker 1: And we're all gonna be like, is he talking about me?

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Speaker 2: Exactly? You guys can spend the rest of your lives

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Speaker 1: Of me able to just look at me and say,

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Speaker 2: Totally.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, they while they were a duet.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, wait, Chuck, wait, wait, hold on, one more

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Speaker 1: Joe Lene great song.

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Speaker 2: She apparently wrote those songs on the same day. Start

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean she she now says, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's possible it was the same day. She

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Speaker 2: That really like kind of goes to show what kind

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's remarkable she started, and that's kind

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Speaker 3: also humble, another reason people love Dolly Parton. But she

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Speaker 2: Right, but still under the tutelage of Porter Wagner.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I mean those are solo albums and I

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Speaker 2: I think it definitely was. And I heard a story

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Speaker 2: And then apparently he turned around and sued her anyway

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Speaker 2: She got out of this this this terrible contract, this

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Speaker 2: And this is a really big time of transition for

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Speaker 2: a pinball that had just been plunged when she was

441
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 2: released from from Wagner, just looking for like the next

442
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 2: bumper to just shoot her off in another direction. That's

443
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 2: my analogy, buddy. Yeah, and that's exactly what happened. But

444
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 2: she also had to break up with her family band,

445
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 2: like they were her original backing band. She had to

446
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 2: be like, I gotta get better musicians, you guys. And

447
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 2: she made some really hard decisions, but they they ended

448
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 2: up paying off, and from what I understand, there were

449
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 2: no last hard feelings from it.

450
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty great. She hosted a TV show for

451
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 3: one season, just like us. It was called Dolly. You know,

452
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,120
Speaker 3: back then they had all those great variety shows. This

453
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 3: was seventy six into seventy seven. And then a very

454
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,199
Speaker 3: important man comes into her life by the name of

455
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 3: Sandy Gallen, who was a uber manager got the Beatles

456
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 3: on Ed Sulimon would later manage Michael Jackson and marbar

457
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 3: streisand and Cher and Sandy Gallen was a pretty instrumental

458
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 3: person for a couple of reasons.

459
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: One is.

460
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 3: Kind of encouraging the crossover success. Like he booked her

461
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 3: at the bottom line in the Greenwich Village. Who you know,

462
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 3: everyone from Springsteen to lou Reid were playing there.

463
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 2: Like Andy Warhol came and watched her show. There's an

464
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 2: awesome picture of them sitting together.

465
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about crossover.

466
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And she was nervous. I saw that she

467
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: was nervous on the on the way to being scared.

468
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Yeah.

469
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 3: He had her tour Europe, exposed her internationally. He took

470
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 3: her to Studio fifty four, which is probably where she

471
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 3: also hung out with Andy Warhol. But the other big

472
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 3: reason is that Sandy Gallen was gay. He died like

473
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 3: five years ago. And this was a very instrumental relationship.

474
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 3: And I get the impression, you know, Dolly is very

475
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 3: famous for being a sort of an icon in the

476
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 3: LGTVQ community.

477
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, from very early on.

478
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it seems like this is kind of where

479
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 3: it all started, was having this relationship with Sandy, and

480
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 3: you know, just the gay community wrapping their arms around

481
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 3: her early on, not necessarily because you know, she had

482
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 3: a gay manager, but you know, I don't think it hurt.

483
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: Right, And The New York Times wrote that she got

484
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 2: a warm welcome in San Francisco from transgender fans and

485
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: quote other exotic urban cult audiences.

486
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 3: Well, Dolly's always said, you know, she's one of those

487
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 3: love is love types, and you know, it's just like

488
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 3: it's the way to live life. Like she doesn't judge people,

489
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 3: and she never has, and she's always just embraced like

490
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 3: whatever community wants to love her music, Like why would she?

491
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,719
Speaker 3: I never get it when people like intentionally sort of

492
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 3: turn audiences off, right, you know.

493
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know for sure, for sure, But also like

494
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 2: it's that's so true and it's so prevalent when when

495
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: you read about her, watch interviews with her, just listen

496
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: to her talk, you're almost like, what's your angle, dolly, right,

497
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 2: what are you really up to here?

498
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 3: Her big crossover hit was Here You Come Again, which

499
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 3: was considered a pop song. I mean, I've always kind

500
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 3: of thought it was a country song, I guess because

501
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 3: her voice is in it and she insisted on steel guitar,

502
00:24:58,760 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 3: so it still had.

503
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: A little country. But it's like a perfect song.

504
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: It's a perfect crossover, Like it's exactly perfectly balanced, Like

505
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: there couldn't have been a better song to transition from

506
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 2: full on country singer to country pop singer.

507
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it went number one on the country chart,

508
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 3: number three on the pop charts.

509
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: Album went platinum.

510
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 3: And this is you know, the late seventies when she

511
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 3: really really really blew up.

512
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that. She just took off like a

513
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 2: rocket from there. One of the things that she did

514
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 2: very wisely in the late seventies early eighties, right around

515
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 2: this time, was just hop on the TV circuit. Y

516
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: She's been on at least a few hundred TV appearances,

517
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: but a lot of them took place in the seventies

518
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 2: and eighties when she was just making herself known, making

519
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: herself a household name. And none of this was by accident,

520
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 2: Like she's she's wanted to be a megas star since

521
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: she was a kid, and this was part of She

522
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: apparently makes a lot of lists and they turn out

523
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: to kind of be five year plans, and I'm sure

524
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 2: getting on the talk show circuit was part of one

525
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: of those lists.

526
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: And that explains why as a kid growing up in

527
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 3: the seventies, I saw a lot of Dolly Parton exactly.

528
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 2: She was everywhere Dolly wanted you to see a lot

529
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 2: of Dolly Parton.

530
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 3: In the eighties is when she continued some of her

531
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 3: collaborations with other artists, very famously with Kenny Rodgers with

532
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 3: Islands in the Stream, huge massive hit, Haven't Heard It,

533
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 3: And then nineteen eighty seven, my favorite collaboration at least

534
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 3: came out and maybe my favorite Dolly stuff period, oh yeah,

535
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 3: was the album Trio Yeah, that she recorded with Linda

536
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 3: Ronstadt and Emilu Harris. Just three of the best voices

537
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 3: in the history of music coming together to sing together.

538
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 3: They ended up making three albums over the years together.

539
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 3: So if you haven't listened to any of this stuff,

540
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 3: highly recommend Trio from nineteen eighty seven.

541
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: She also released some bluegrass albums in the late nineties,

542
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 2: The Grass Is Blue, Little Sparrow, Halo's and Horns, And

543
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: then she released her first Christmas album in thirty years

544
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty, A Holly Dolly Christmas, which is

545
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: pretty good. It's cute, But I think the best Christmas

546
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 2: album she released was Once Upon a Christmas in nineteen

547
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: eighty four. There's a lot of Kenny Rogers on it.

548
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 3: I made a joke this last Christmas on Instagram. I

549
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 3: think that like probably fifty percent of Dolly Parton's Christmas

550
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: songs are about sex. It's true where there's like sexual overtones,

551
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 3: right exactly.

552
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's good stuff.

553
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: But that nineteen eighty four album has hard candy Christmas

554
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: on it, which is what I mean, you have it,

555
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: maybe your best her best one, if you ask me.

556
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: Great song.

557
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 3: All right, So now let's talk a little bit more

558
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 3: about her songwriting. I think that's the thing that she's

559
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: sort of most proud of. She said in a twenty

560
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 3: twenty book, if I had to choose just one thing

561
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 3: to be, would choose to be a songwriter. She's always

562
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: said that she loves writing from the male point of view.

563
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 3: She loves writing songs for men because a lot of

564
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: her songs are sort of narrative story type songs, and

565
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 3: she has written a lot of big, huge hits for

566
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: people like Merle Haggard and Kenny Rogers and Hank Williams

567
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: Junior and all kinds of dudes.

568
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: Right. She also plays a bunch of instruments. The guitar,

569
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: she says, is her strongest, and there's a lot of

570
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: other string instruments that she can play. I saw a

571
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: video of one of her concerts. She's got a banjo

572
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: slung around her, yeah, her like she's got a strap

573
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: hanging from a strap while she's playing a fiddle really fast.

574
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: It's pretty amazing. But if you really want to be

575
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: amazed by Dolly, you should watch her play the saxophone,

576
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: and in particular, at the Glastonbury Music Festival in twenty

577
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: fourteen in the UK, in front of a crowd of

578
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand, she busted out her yackety sacks, Yeah,

579
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: the Benny Hill theme song, and it just Hill.

580
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: It is.

581
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,959
Speaker 3: That whole show is a fun watch because it's you know,

582
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: it's in It's at the Glastonbury Festival and it's like,

583
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: I don't know, I think your legendary status just like

584
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: grew with that appearance.

585
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like she was, you know, kind of a

586
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: cult favorite in the UK and then she became like

587
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: a like a pop culture favorite after that show.

588
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

589
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: Nine to five, the movie that you mentioned before in

590
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty was when she got into movie making, and

591
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 3: it is a movie.

592
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: Boy.

593
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 3: Not only does it hold up today, but it is

594
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 3: that was ahead of its time and like even more

595
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 3: relevant today than it probably was then.

596
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: Which is sad if you stop and think about it.

597
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: No, no, totally sad.

598
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: But it was based on an actual movement called nine

599
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: to five, the nine to five movement from the early

600
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: seventies that I guess Jane Fonda was aware of because

601
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: she was one of the creators behind the movie nine

602
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: to five, And that was an actual like movement led

603
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: by Secretary starting in Boston and it spread around the

604
00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: country and they were protesting sexual harassment low p getting

605
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: passed over for promotions. And they had a great slogan

606
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: that I saw raises not.

607
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: Roses, raises not roses. Yeah, I love that.

608
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 2: I love it too, like your T shirt exactly.

609
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: But some money exactly. I buy my own.

610
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: Flowers, right, I can buy my own flowers.

611
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what the back of the T shirt said.

612
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 3: And then parentheses quit pinching my butt.

613
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: Plus also, that's a Miley Cyrus song. Who is Dolly

614
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: Parton's god daughter?

615
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: That's right?

616
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Dolly credits that relationship with the fact that

617
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 3: millennials love Dolly.

618
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wasn't aware of this, so everybody knows. Even

619
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: I know that Miley Cyrus was Hannah Montana on Nickelodeon

620
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: from I think two thousand and six to twenty eleven, right,

621
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: and she would have Dolly on here or there as

622
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: aunt Dolly like her aunt, Hannah Montana's aunt. And I

623
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: guess like millennials just grew up watching that and that

624
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: she just exposed herself not literally but figuratively to an

625
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: entirely new generation, and it stuck like, that's that's how

626
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: they that's how they met Dolly, and they just kept

627
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: following her and loving her from that point on.

628
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: I love it.

629
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 3: She was in a bunch of movies over the years,

630
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 3: Best Little Worehouse in Texas with Burt Reynolds of course

631
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: part of the ensemble, and Steele Magnolia's. Very disappointingly, Olivia

632
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 3: doesn't mention my favorite Dolly second favorite Dolly Parton movie,

633
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: which was Rhinestone with Sylvester Stallone, one of my big

634
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 3: HBO movies. Early on, I watched that thing over and

635
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 3: over again. Stallone sings. Have you ever seen it?

636
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: No? I never have. I turned I turned the TV

637
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: off after Life Force.

638
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 3: You should check out Rhinestone because still you know that

639
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: the premises She's to make a country star out of

640
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 3: Sylvester Stallone, and he has a song in there called

641
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: Drinkenstein instead of Frankenstein, and the chorus is Budweiser. You've

642
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 3: created a monster and call him drinking style.

643
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: Wow.

644
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: But still unreally sings, and it's.

645
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 3: Just I think it's known probably as a bad movie,

646
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: but it has a very special place in my heart.

647
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: It sounds like the prequel to Tulsa King. So she

648
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: also did you mention sand Dollar yet?

649
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: No.

650
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: She founded a production company with Sandy Gallan, her longtime

651
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: manager and friend, and they went on to produce movies

652
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: like Father of the Bride, Yeah, Buffy the Vampire Slayer,

653
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: the movie.

654
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

655
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: She also did a straight Talk which she was in

656
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: where she plays a woman who accidentally becomes a radio

657
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: host and of course just shoots into the stratosphere and popularity.

658
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: I never saw that.

659
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah it was. It was okay, okay, not her

660
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: best work, but still she was amazing at Steele Magnolia's.

661
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: I mean, like, if you if you go back and yeah,

662
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: if you go back and watch some of those scenes

663
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: between her and her husband in particular, it's she's a

664
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: really good actress.

665
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: No, she's good and in fact, but the Shelby I

666
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: just did was more Sally Field, not that I think

667
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 3: about it.

668
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: I detected Hannah sally Field in there.

669
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: All right, I think let's take another break and then

670
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 3: we'll This was going to go a little long, but

671
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 3: that's okay because we're about to dive into Dollywood right

672
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 3: after this. Shelby all right, my friend, here we are.

673
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: I'll set it up with how it starts, and then

674
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 3: you can just take over because you've actually been there.

675
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 3: But in an interview in nineteen eighty two with Barbara Walters,

676
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 3: Dolly Parton said something about being interest did in opening

677
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: up a theme park back home.

678
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: And there was a theme park.

679
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: Silver Dollar City, in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee, and the owners,

680
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 3: Jack and Pete Hershand heard this interview, gave her a

681
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: call and was like, let's get together on this, and

682
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 3: they did to great success.

683
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, four years later Dollywood opened. It reopened as Dollywood.

684
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 2: I should say, just that first year they doubled their

685
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: entries to one point three million people coming. And that's

686
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: not just a full year, Like it snows and everything

687
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: kind of shuts down in the winter time in Pigeon

688
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 2: Forger and the Smoky So I'm guessing they crammed a

689
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 2: lot of those people in in a very short amount

690
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,479
Speaker 2: of time, probably summer. I don't know why I'm going

691
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: off on this tangent, but it just seemed to work.

692
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: They close in the winter be.

693
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: Quiet too, So it was a success right out of

694
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: the gate, I should say. And a little known fact

695
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: or it's a rumor that a lot of people don't

696
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 2: realize as actual fact. They period a time capsule there

697
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: on opening day and it contains an unreleased Dolly song

698
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: No Way that is not to be open until I

699
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: think she's ninety nine years old?

700
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: Wow, which is what is she now? Seventy six, seventy eight?

701
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: I think?

702
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's it's close.

703
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can wait.

704
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 3: She sees it yet, Oh we'll wait. So tell me

705
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 3: about Dollywood. I want to I want to know more.

706
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 2: So it is a you can definitely believe that it

707
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 2: used to be a silver dollar city. They preserved a

708
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: lot of stuff. There's a coal fired train that kind

709
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: of takes you around on some neat vistas and everything.

710
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: There's We went and we went around Christmas time, which

711
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: kind of undermines my argument about being shutting down in

712
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: the winter. We went for Humi's birthday actually like one year,

713
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: and there was like a Christmas show where there was

714
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: like singing and dancing. But it was so corny that

715
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: I was waiting for everybody to be like, oh, you know,

716
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 2: we're just joking, here's the real show. It never happened.

717
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 2: It was just that like kitchy am in earnest, Yeah,

718
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: and just corny, but it was very sweet in retrospect,

719
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: especially hard to sit through, but very sweet. And then

720
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: there's just a lot of like people dipping candles, there's

721
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 2: tons of food to eat. There's a roller coaster that

722
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: neither you me nor I went on. But there's a

723
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: museum there that's closed temporarily because apparently they're reimagining it.

724
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: But it was originally called the Chasing Rainbows Museum. And

725
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: Dolly Parton is a just self professed packrat. She saved everything,

726
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: chuck everything. The Coat of Many Colors that she sings about,

727
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 2: it's there. You can see it in real life right there,

728
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 2: and it's the tiniest, cutest little thing you've ever seen

729
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: in your entire life. It's so tiny, and.

730
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: When she was a kid, right out of all rags that.

731
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: She sang about in that Coat of Many Colors and

732
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 2: it's what a great song. But then just just to

733
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: love that song and then see the actual coat and

734
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: then just see how dinky it is. It was just amazing.

735
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: Those lists I told you she used to keep, she

736
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: kept those, Those are on display, wigs, rhinestones everywhere. But

737
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: it's not just like this odor tribute to Dolly. It's

738
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 2: a genuine, like curated look into her whole career, and

739
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 2: it's it was one of the best museums I've ever

740
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: been to in my life of any kind.

741
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: Why didn't you guys ride the roller coaster?

742
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: We're both scared of roller coasters.

743
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think I remembered that.

744
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: Yes, I've been scared of roller coasters for decades, but

745
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm starting to come out of it. Okay,

746
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: And I might go challenge myself and ride a few

747
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: roller coasters this summer and see if I'm correct or

748
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: if I'm really really wrong.

749
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 3: Well, you should go to six Flags with Ruby and I,

750
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 3: because there's nothing like getting your courage worked up than

751
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: a seven year old who will ride anything, okay, staring

752
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 3: you in the face.

753
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I may use that. That's just the

754
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 2: elixir I'm looking for.

755
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she'll go on whatever. And she's just like

756
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: she wouldn't understand. She'd be like, why don't you want

757
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 3: to go on it? What do you mean you're scared?

758
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: I don't You're of ruining things for me.

759
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: Uh, well, I want to go to Dollywood, so maybe

760
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 3: we can go to six Wags and then Dollywood and

761
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 3: just do a theme park round up.

762
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: I strongly recommend it because there's like all sorts of

763
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: stuff in nearby Gatlinburg and Pigeon Ford, Ripley's Museums and

764
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: just all sorts of just cool, super kitchy touristy stuff.

765
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: I think, Oh, what's his name? Uh, the guy who

766
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: sings Proud to be an American?

767
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: Lee Green Greenwood.

768
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: There's the Lee Greenwood Cafe where they no joke, play

769
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 2: those song oh no, loop over and over again. The

770
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 2: whole time You're like, where's the next song? They don't

771
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: play the next song.

772
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 3: I heard that song every night of the summer for

773
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 3: like five summers when I worked at the Stow Mountain

774
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: laser shop.

775
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'll bet I.

776
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: Got my fill of it.

777
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

778
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 3: Uh, So we can talk a little bit more about

779
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 3: her politics she's and this is where the sociologists and

780
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 3: anthropologists come in. There's a sociologist named Treci McMillan Cottum

781
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 3: that has written about how black women have always looked

782
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 3: up to Dolly Parton as a role model, even though

783
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 3: she is like it's a very specific sort of white

784
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 3: Southern thing that she embodies. Again, just you know, testifies

785
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 3: to her crossover appeal that she is to be admired

786
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 3: by anybody.

787
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: Her Q score.

788
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 3: If you don't know what a Q score is, it's

789
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 3: a marketing tool that basically there's a bunch of things

790
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: that go into your Q score, but it's basically how

791
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,959
Speaker 3: how much people like you, how much they recognize your name.

792
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 3: And her Q score is like legendarily one of the

793
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: top Q scores of all time celebrity.

794
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 2: Was she has a high positive Q score. They also

795
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: do a negative Q score and she's a very low

796
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: negative Q score, So she's among the most beloved and

797
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: among the least disliked people in the entire world.

798
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't want to know my Q score.

799
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: I looked it up. We don't have one yet.

800
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: Okay, good.

801
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: But I was reading this article on the Conversation and

802
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: these two Australian marketing people were trying to figure out

803
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 2: who would have been Australia's Dolly, and they landed on

804
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: Hugh Jackman. And I'm like, I can't disagree with that.

805
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: He's pretty likable.

806
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: Sure everybody likes Hugh Jackman. Yeah, I would agree with that,

807
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: even though he did the Greatest Showman, right people still

808
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: like Hugh Jackman.

809
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: The anthropologist comes in.

810
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: A man named Jonathan Zilberg in nineteen ninety five talked

811
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 3: about how she was loved in Zimbabwe, of all places,

812
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 3: and again it's just like, you know, pick a country

813
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 3: and chances are people there love Dolly Parton.

814
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: And in Dolly Parton's America. And then they talk about

815
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: how Nelson Mandela, while he was in prison in South Africa,

816
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 2: got his jailers to play Joe Lean for the whole Yeah,

817
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 2: holds in jail basically all Shawshank redemption.

818
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 3: Uh huh, pretty cool, Pretty cool. And like you said earlier,

819
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 3: she basically just avoids politics. She doesn't let any politician

820
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: on either side use her music. If a Democrat uses it,

821
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: she shuts him down. If a Republican uses it, she

822
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 3: shuts him down. She just sort of side steps all

823
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 3: that stuff. She's always been, you know, growing up. Of course,

824
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 3: in the seventies there were a lot of playground jokes

825
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 3: about Dolly Parton's breast size.

826
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: She was very well known for.

827
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 3: It, and she's always been the first one to jump

828
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: in and joke about it herself. Instead of being like

829
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 3: the butt of the joke, she can just go along

830
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: with it, and that's just that's another really likable quality

831
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 3: as someone who can and can laugh at themselves and

832
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 3: not take things too seriously.

833
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: I also saw it put that she she knows that

834
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: these jokes are going to be made anyway, so she

835
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: can diffuse them by getting out in front of them

836
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: and topping, you know, the lame jokes that like old

837
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 2: talk show hosts would make.

838
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

839
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: I saw once she said that she burned her braw

840
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 2: and it took the fire department three days to put

841
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: it out, like that kind of stuff. That's hilarious. That

842
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: was her joke.

843
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good, that's very funny.

844
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: So I think we mentioned this before. Do you know

845
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 2: that Dolly the sheep, the first cloned animal on the planet,

846
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: was named Dolly because she was grown from a mammary gland.

847
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, I can't remember where we talked about that,

848
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 2: but it really just goes to show like that's how

849
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: ubiquitous Dolly Parton's boobs were in the twentieth century, Like

850
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: they were as big as she was. Basically, Yeah, they

851
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: were definitely part of her intended they were definitely part

852
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: of her brand for sure.

853
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, she was smart enough to lean into it.

854
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: Another thing that she had done over the years is

855
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: there are a lot of really dark songs that she's

856
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: written about. Even though she's never kind of outright considered

857
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 3: herself a feminist, she very much is and a lot

858
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 3: of the songs she's written over the years have been

859
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 3: very dark songs about women who are either abandoned or

860
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: suffering from sexual double standards.

861
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: Or there's one brutal song.

862
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 3: From nineteen seventy called Daddy Come and Get Me about

863
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 3: a true story of a relative in her family that

864
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 3: was basically institutionalized by her husband. So she's never been

865
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 3: afraid to go down sort of in the tradition of

866
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: the old sort of dark country murder ballad thing, go

867
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 3: down these darker roads with some of the songs she's written.

868
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that she considers herself not a feminist,

869
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 2: but in favor of all women. She's for all women.

870
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: So it's like she doesn't subscribe to the movement part,

871
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: but what the movement's ultimately about, she's totally in favor with,

872
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: and that's super her. She made a very rare, overt

873
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: statement when she came out in support of Black Lives Matter,

874
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: and at a time where it was like, you're casting

875
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: your lot one way or another, and she stood up

876
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: for it, which is pretty.

877
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: Cool she did.

878
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Speaker 3: She also in twenty eighteen that was at Dollywood, the

879
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 3: Dixie Stampede, she changed the name to Dolly Parton Stampede

880
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 3: after people complained about the whole Dixie connotation and Civil

881
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Speaker 3: War theme.

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00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: She changed that up, and she was.

883
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 3: Just like, you know, I never really thought about, you know,

884
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 3: the Confederate imagery, meaning what it meant to people, and

885
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: so she was happily changed it. And that's just the

886
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 3: kind of person she is, I think.

887
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Speaker 2: And she got gufh for that, and she got guff

888
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: for supporting Black Lives Matter from some of her her

889
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: right leaning fans. But she can always explain herself, you know,

890
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: and she does so in such a great way that

891
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: you're just kind of like, well, fine, it's hard to

892
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 2: be you can't keep a grudge against her, even if

893
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 2: she goes against you politically, but she just so rarely

894
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: does it.

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00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, she is.

896
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 3: We're gonna wind it down with her business in philanthropy,

897
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 3: very savvy business person from the very beginning. She was

898
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 3: smart enough to hang on to her the rights to

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00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 3: her own music and never give him up. Even when

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00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 3: Elvis Presley came Colin and wanted to cover I Will

901
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 3: Always Love You. He wanted half the publishing rights, and

902
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: she was like, no way, He'd take a walk Elvis Presley.

903
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: He didn't. Apparently, Colonel Tom called her up on the

904
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: morning of the scheduled record varing session and sprung that

905
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: on her, and she turned him down. And she was

906
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: hoping that Elvis was as disappointed as she was. But

907
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 2: that took a lot of gumption, especially to have it

908
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: sprung on you like that, and she said, Nope, not

909
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: doing it. But that's one of the things that made

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00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 2: her so incredibly wealthy. Like apparently her music catalog has

911
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 2: a net worth of about one hundred and fifty million

912
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 2: dollars and brings in about six to eight million dollars

913
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: a year for her, according to I think Forbes, and

914
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 2: then her steak in Dollywood is her her most valuable asset.

915
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: I think it's like one hundred and sixty five million dollars.

916
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: Pretty neat.

917
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: She has done quite well for herself.

918
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, she I mean these days she's she's not stopping either.

919
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 3: She's she's on Duncan Hine's buttermilk biscuit mix with her

920
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: little cartoon face. They have fragrances branded by Dolly. They

921
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 3: have pet clothes that she's branded with, Like just all

922
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 3: kinds of things. She's not afraid to license her image

923
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 3: for sure.

924
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: We've got that the Duncan Hines frosting in our pantry.

925
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: Do you the chocolate chocolate cream frosting. And then one

926
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Speaker 2: other thing I saw, chuck. She wrote a book. Co

927
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: wrote a book with James Patterson, one of the best,

928
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: one of the most favorite novelists in the entire world.

929
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Speaker 2: It's called Run Rows Run, and it's a thriller based

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00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 2: kind of loosely on Dolly's story of making it in

931
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: the music basins. Oh wow, yeah, I think it just

932
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 2: came out.

933
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me have to check that out. Yeah.

934
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Speaker 3: She is very charitable as well. She started the Dollywood

935
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Speaker 3: Foundation in nineteen eighty eight just to get literacy going

936
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Speaker 3: in her home county, and it grew and grew and

937
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 3: grew to the point where it is now in the US, Canada, Australia,

938
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Speaker 3: the UK, and Ireland, and to date the program has

939
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: given out more than two hundred and four million books

940
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 3: may across these countries. And you know she'll build a

941
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Speaker 3: hospital in her county. Anytime there's like wildfires nearby, she's

942
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: chipping in. She very famously donated a million dollars to

943
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Speaker 3: Vanderbilt University Medical Center for COVID nineteen vaccine research. And

944
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Speaker 3: you know, people don't credit her with the MODERNA vaccine,

945
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: but they're like, that million dollars was instrumental in getting

946
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 3: that vaccine to trial.

947
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Speaker 1: Well.

948
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, she also was like everybody go get jabbed.

949
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 2: There was a video at one round of her getting

951
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 2: her own vaccine, the first one, I think, and she

952
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: was singing vaccine to the tune of Joe Lene and.

953
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: Sing pretty nice die in.

954
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It was great. So one other thing though

955
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: about her foundation. One reason she got into literacy programs

956
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: was because her father never learned to read, and apparently

957
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: he told her just before he died that he was

958
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 2: most proud of her for that work that she'd done

959
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: with promoting literacy around the world. It's pretty cool. It

960
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: makes it even neaterer.

961
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Speaker 3: And in addition to the vaccine Jolene song, she also

962
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 3: did a version of I Will Always Jab You.

963
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 2: It was less popular. Less popular sounds a little aggressive.

964
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Speaker 3: She's been nominated for fifty three Grammys. Fifty three she's

965
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 3: won ten, which I think that number should be higher,

966
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 3: But you know, they have given her Lifetime Achievement Awards

967
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 3: and Joelene and I Will Always Love You were inducted

968
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 3: into the Grammy Hall of Fame, so they have like

969
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 3: heaped awards on her even when she has not won

970
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: the actual Grammy. And she's also won an Emmy, right yeah.

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Speaker 2: She was also up for two Oscars for Best Song

972
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: for Traveling Through for trans America and I think two

973
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: thousand and six and then.

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Speaker 1: Nine to five not win.

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00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: No, it was beaten by Fame.

976
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: Oh boy, tough year.

977
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: Traveling Through was beaten by hard out There for a

978
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: Pimp from Hustle and Flow.

979
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: That's a good song too.

980
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: Are you gonna top that?

981
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 3: It's really hard. I was getting getting ready to trash

982
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 3: whatever beat out nine to five? But yeah, Fame is

983
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 3: a great song.

984
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: That's a tough year.

985
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: That's a very tough year. But she also has two

986
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 2: Guinness World Records to her name, one of which is

987
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 2: Most Decades with the Top twenty Hit, which really just

988
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: goes to show how long she's been around it, how

989
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 2: long she's been.

990
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: Huge you know what else?

991
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 3: She has two of what stars on the Hollywood Walk

992
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 3: of Fame, DOWO.

993
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: I know, is there anybody else who has that?

994
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 3: I think so people in different media, although probably not

995
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 3: a lot of people.

996
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: I bet it's a pretty short list.

997
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 3: One in nineteen eighty four and then one in twenty eighteen,

998
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 3: when I guess the final Trio of Trio albums came out.

999
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 2: So if you think Dolly's slowing down, friend, you are

1000
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: dead wrong. Yep, she's got a new album coming out.

1001
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: So she was inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall

1002
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 2: of Fame despite her protests. She's like, I'm not a rocker.

1003
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 2: Apparently she's like, all right, well I better go be

1004
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 2: a rocker and earn that honor. She's so, her next

1005
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 2: studio album, her forty ninth, is coming out I think

1006
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 2: this fall, and it's called rock Star. And she's going

1007
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: to be singing with some other rock stars too.

1008
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Stevie Nick's, Paul McCartney share, I love it. Yep.

1009
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: Vince Neil, No, not Vince Neil.

1010
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 2: That's correct, Not Vince Neil.

1011
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: No, just kidding, that'd be pretty amazing.

1012
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: Actually, you got anything else about Dolly Parton?

1013
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: Oh?

1014
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: I've got one other thing before you answer. She wakes

1015
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 2: up at three am every day.

1016
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: Oh and just daughter of a sharecropper. Yeah, I guess

1017
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: that's amazing.

1018
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: Okay, you got anything else?

1019
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: I got nothing else?

1020
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't either. I don't think, but I'm gonna

1021
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: think of ten things after we're done recording.

1022
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 3: I know I'm gonna I've been listening to Dolly Parton

1023
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 3: all day, so it's gonna continue on.

1024
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not hard to do. If you want to

1025
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 2: know more about Dolly Parton, friend, go listen to Dolly Parton.

1026
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 2: Go watch videos of Dolly Parton, Go read interviews with

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00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 2: Dolly Parton. She was once described as a black belt interviewee,

1028
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 2: so you'll never be disappointed with a Dolly Parton interview.

1029
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: And since I said you'll never be disappointed by a

1030
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: Dolly Parton interview, that has opened up listener mail.

1031
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to call this great email follow up from Arcades. Hey, guys,

1032
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 3: want to tell you a story of my very traditional grandmother.

1033
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 3: She was very traditional in the Midwestern sense, and she

1034
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 3: was a homemaker. Oh yeah, have books for my grandfather's

1035
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 3: iron working concern. She didn't tolerate cussing or fussing, and

1036
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 3: was a conservative dresser.

1037
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 2: She liked the calico.

1038
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: She didn't have any obvious vices save one. Pac Man.

1039
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, to hear her tell it, there was a

1040
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 3: time where she would wake up before her husband and

1041
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 3: five children, power up the atari, and start a pac

1042
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 3: Man game. After thirty minutes or so, she would get

1043
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 3: breakfast on the table, get her family out the door,

1044
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 3: and do the books, clean the house, and then finally

1045
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 3: get back to her paused pac Man game, which she

1046
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 3: would play until it was time to start dinner when

1047
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 3: her family came back home.

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00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 2: That's awesome. She had pac Man fever.

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00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: That's good.

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00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be much of a story, guys, except here's

1051
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 3: the thing. She was really really good at pac Man.

1052
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: She once told me she had the first forty something

1053
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 3: levels memorized and could use them to rack up points

1054
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 3: and then thus extra lives. She got to a point

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00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: where she could play the same game all day long. Eventually,

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00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 3: she would describe getting to a high enough level where

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00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 3: the game would freeze. Oh and what she was describing

1058
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 3: was level two fifty six to kill screen, and said

1059
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 3: she was home alone every time she reached it, and

1060
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 3: the Internet wasn't a household thing. No one ever knew

1061
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:32,479
Speaker 3: what she was talking about.

1062
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 2: She just rolled the door be like somebody, anybody come look.

1063
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 3: It was until many years later that I saw King

1064
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 3: of Kong and saw the footage of the kill screen

1065
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: my grandmother had described. Couldn't believe my eyes or the

1066
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 3: fact that my conservative grandmother was such an early skilled

1067
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 3: gamer neat. She since passed away, But every time the

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00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 3: subject of pac Man comes up brings a smile to

1069
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 3: my face.

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Speaker 1: And I remember her and her high scores. That is

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Speaker 1: from Aaron Miller of Kansas City, that Kansas.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's rare. You don't usually hear from those people

1073
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: Kansas side. Well, thanks a lot, Aaron, that's a fantastic story.

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00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: I'm glad you could smuggle that message out of the

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00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: Kansas side of Kansas City to us. And if you

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00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 2: want to be like Aaron and get in touch however way,

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Speaker 2: you can try putting it in an email sending it

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