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Speaker 1: Welcome to everybody to a Friday edition of Texans All Access.

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Speaker 1: Next Friday, we'll be talking about free agents. Hopefully the

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Speaker 1: Texas have signed. But this Friday, well it's the calm

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Speaker 1: before the store. Welcome and everybody. I am your host,

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Speaker 1: John Harris alongside. I'm a good friend, Deep City Deep,

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Speaker 1: How are you doing? I'm good, Johnny, And I think

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Speaker 1: I use that exact phrase and something else I was

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Speaker 1: working on for free agency. Yeah, frenzy. It is because

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Speaker 1: we know stuff is going to happen, and I know

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Speaker 1: the tampering period starts Monday, but we just gotta wait.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes it's hard even in that tampering period, like

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Speaker 1: you're waiting for things to happen, things to get announced,

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Speaker 1: and you're just on pins and needles. But I actually

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Speaker 1: love love the start of free agency. It's crazy, it

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Speaker 1: really is, and I love it from a Texans standpoint

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Speaker 1: because there's some money to spend, and the Texans are

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Speaker 1: gonna have to spend money, and I think that's pretty clear.

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Speaker 1: I think Brian game build Brian had made that clear

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Speaker 1: from from jump because they had money and they don't

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Speaker 1: have a first or second round pick, so they are

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Speaker 1: going to get into free agency. And I've said this

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Speaker 1: many many times. I don't think you can build a

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Speaker 1: team that way in the NFL. It's just not possible.

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Speaker 1: Not in the NBA. You can't. If you get the

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Speaker 1: right free agency free agent Major League Baseball maybe if

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Speaker 1: you get the right guy. NFL you definitely can't. You've

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Speaker 1: got to win by developing your own, but you've got

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Speaker 1: to be able to supplement what you have when you

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Speaker 1: have holes. In The Texans obviously have holes. But I

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Speaker 1: think about Jacksonville last year, A J Boyer, Clay's Campbell,

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Speaker 1: and Barry Church like home run, home run, home run. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean it wouldn't look how it transformed that team

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Speaker 1: with those three on defense. And you think of the

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Speaker 1: teams that have guys that are very talented, but they

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Speaker 1: just don't have the money to resign everybody. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: know the Giants have a couple of different offensive linemen

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Speaker 1: that they needed to resign, and they can't resign everybody.

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Speaker 1: So you know there's some players that are going to

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Speaker 1: hit free agency simply because teams don't have enough in

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Speaker 1: the cap to keep them. This is sort of like

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Speaker 1: going to San Marcos and the outlet malls when you

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Speaker 1: have like all this money, and you're like, I have

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Speaker 1: this money. I have to spend this money because I'm

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Speaker 1: going back to a place where there are no stores,

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Speaker 1: which is basically where their Texans are in this year

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Speaker 1: because of trading Way or first and second last year

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Speaker 1: obviously Shaun Watson, second because of Brock Oswaller. You do

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Speaker 1: that again in a heartbeat to be in this situation.

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Speaker 1: But then of course you got a supplement, like you said,

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Speaker 1: with free agency. And I think that's what makes this

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Speaker 1: year's free agency so exciting. You think back to last

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Speaker 1: year's We didn't even expect it to be exciting, and

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Speaker 1: then the whole thing with the Brock Oswer trade right

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Speaker 1: off the bat, right from the jump, and I thought,

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Speaker 1: how could free agency get any better than the year before,

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Speaker 1: obviously signing Brock and Lamar Miller, And you know, it's

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Speaker 1: like the Texans have been very active in the last

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Speaker 1: few years. DP. It's interesting you say that because I

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Speaker 1: anticipated us not doing We didn't really have a ton

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Speaker 1: of mine. No, nobody really thought that Texans would do

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Speaker 1: a lot. I didn't think they would do a lot.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I was driving my wife to the airport

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Speaker 1: and I was coming back and as I was driving

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Speaker 1: away from the airport, I checked Twitter and I saw

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Speaker 1: it from Adam Schefter that the Texas had traded Brock Osweiler.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, Noah, is ad darn Chefter or

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Speaker 1: Aidan Chef like? And I kept checking, kept like Okay,

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Speaker 1: who else has got this? This really happened. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. Well, I think that's what that's

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Speaker 1: that's part of the reason why we thought we wouldn't

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Speaker 1: one thought that there was a way that you could

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Speaker 1: get rid of the contract like that the way the

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Speaker 1: and the impact of that will feel on Draft night

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Speaker 1: day two. Actually, but that said, we'll also have three

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Speaker 1: the top one Harris one Hunter. But Shane Leckler brought

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Speaker 1: and you know there's no signs of him aging. I

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Speaker 1: great last year he should have punted. Actually, if you

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Speaker 1: But I put on him once today more than made

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Speaker 1: which is definitely not what you want to see out

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Speaker 1: Leckler in twenty eighteen. And I think it's great to

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Speaker 1: like Bill O'Brien said, like having another coach there in

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Speaker 1: the locker room. Yeah, very much. So. Lots happening in

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Speaker 1: that because we're gonna have DP. You had a chance

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Speaker 1: my breakfast with the Bulls. We have to do this

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Speaker 1: Oh tournaments. Brackets, brackets are great. And I used to

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Speaker 1: So that's what I did. I came up with a topic,

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Speaker 1: and then you all get to decide how it would

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Speaker 1: bracket out. Okay, so these these run the gamut too.

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Speaker 1: They start off really going down a straight path and

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they take left. Yeah, they go,

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Speaker 1: they go way left. And one of them in particular

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Speaker 1: gonna get to that in a little bit with your

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Speaker 1: thoughts there. So let's start at the very top, the

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Speaker 1: Texans greatest moment. So Here's how I seed it. Number

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Speaker 1: one seed j J wad interception versus the Bengals the

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Speaker 1: playoff game in twenty eleven, against the four seed, Billy

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Speaker 1: Miller's touchdown catch versus Dallas in the first game. The

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Speaker 1: other side of it, the two seed Andre Johnson touchdown

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Speaker 1: catch against the Redskins in twenty ten with the iconic

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Speaker 1: This is easy. Okay, First, the first and four seeds.

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Speaker 1: those games. The JJ Watt interception versus the Bengals and

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Speaker 1: ever both exciting. But the JJ Watt interception is going

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Speaker 1: to have to advance because that was just the making

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Speaker 1: of JJ Watt, like he became JJ Watt after that

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Speaker 1: play right. Number two, number three seeds Andre Johnson versus

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Speaker 1: Kevin Walter was not there for those games, and I'm

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Speaker 1: still gonna go Kevin Walter game winning touchdown from t J.

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Speaker 1: Yates because that was just a big moment in franchises.

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Speaker 1: would be your winner of that bracket? Um, I'm still

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Speaker 1: gonna go jj Watt because I saw it, So maybe

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Speaker 1: that's why. But I just think that jj Watt this

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Speaker 1: it was crazy, all right, Next one, all right, Texans

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Speaker 1: greatest villain. So the number of this is this really

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Speaker 1: came out of a discussion that I've had with Martin

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Speaker 1: So the number one seed in this is Peyton Manning.

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Speaker 1: For all the years of painting causes the Colts quarterback

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Now, I know you're gonna wait a second.

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Speaker 1: Who are two and three? Well, when you hear two

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Speaker 1: and three, all go okay. Number two Courtland Finnigan. Everybody

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Speaker 1: hated Courtland Finnigan in this town. And number three the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. That's a good representation of the Titans. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: everybody hates got it, got it all covered. So you're

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Speaker 1: one four brack one four matchup, Peyton Manning versus Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: the Texans greatest villain. I'm gonna go Peyton Manning just

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Speaker 1: because I think he was. He was the arch nemesis

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Speaker 1: didn't really play Tom Brady that much until recently, it

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Speaker 1: playing Tom Brady every single year like we have been. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I still think I love his commercials, But that

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Speaker 1: doesn't really make him a villain to me. But on

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Speaker 1: the field of villain people. Okay, yes, Peyton Manning all right?

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Speaker 1: Two three Dallas Cowboys. Uh. You know, even though Cortland

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Speaker 1: amazes me when Drew does the score recaps in game

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Speaker 1: how people always cheer for the Cowboys losing. And there

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Speaker 1: that you're facing. I think the biggest thing linebacker wise

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Speaker 1: is the hybrid of different players where you have them,

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Speaker 1: you know, with their hand on the ground. The guys

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Speaker 1: we are watching now you know, for the draft, a

430
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Speaker 1: lot of them are in three point stands. That the

431
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Speaker 1: development of getting them to be able to play in

432
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Speaker 1: a two point stance and that biggest transition I think

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Speaker 1: from the linebacker spot. But there was always three four

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Speaker 1: teams back in the day. But when we first put

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Speaker 1: in the three four, I think in two thousand and

436
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Speaker 1: four with Wayne Phillips, there was maybe five or six

437
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Speaker 1: teams running a three or four type of concept that

438
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Speaker 1: where you could look at more guys, the smaller defensive ends,

439
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Speaker 1: guys like that, where now everybody's looking at those guys

440
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Speaker 1: because you know, it is a big game of sub

441
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Speaker 1: defenses where you're you know, seventy percent of the time

442
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Speaker 1: you're you're more in your nickel packages compared to your

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Speaker 1: base packages. So, uh, you know, I think that's been

444
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Speaker 1: the biggest transition between the linebackers, just the change of

445
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Speaker 1: how the players and the multitude you know, how much

446
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Speaker 1: you can do with those guys. John Pegotto with US

447
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Speaker 1: on Texans Radio. Okay, coaching outside linebackers. When you look

448
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 1: at Jadeveon Clowney, he's played outside linebacker, he's played defensive end.

449
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna fry him out of wide receiver.

450
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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding about that. But seriously, when you coach Olb's,

451
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Speaker 1: are you saying I want him to be one as

452
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Speaker 1: much as possible to sort of share him, don't you. Yeah,

453
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Speaker 1: that's that's how you want him to look like. And

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, My best coaching ever is when I

455
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Speaker 1: had Sean Merriman at San Diego and I told him

456
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Speaker 1: to see ball and go get ball. Yea. Yeah, you know,

457
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Speaker 1: it's our job to put those guys in position to

458
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Speaker 1: make plays. But at the end of the day, it's

459
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Speaker 1: it's them out there on the field doing what they learned.

460
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Speaker 1: That playmaking ability. There's times you see these guys, you

461
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Speaker 1: watch JD make incredible place of just based on athleticism

462
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Speaker 1: and his body control and the ability has to get

463
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Speaker 1: off blocks and certain things like that. And as coaches,

464
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Speaker 1: I always felt you did ever want to take away

465
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Speaker 1: that playmaking ability. You gotta give guys that freedom. You

466
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Speaker 1: gotta give him the ability to go make a play.

467
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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, it's our job put

468
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Speaker 1: him in position to make plays, and when that ball snapped,

469
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Speaker 1: they gotta go. Yeah, there's no question that clowning who

470
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Speaker 1: He's a special one you, and I'm sure that as

471
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Speaker 1: outside livebacker, you'll be fighting for him in the room

472
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Speaker 1: and that that's a pretty tough fight, as Mark pointed out,

473
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Speaker 1: because you got three different positions that are all pulling

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Speaker 1: at him. But coach, you grew up, if I'm not mistaken,

475
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Speaker 1: you grew up a coach's son. Correct? Correct? What was

476
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Speaker 1: that like? Grown up as a coach's son? I speak

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Speaker 1: as one. I'm curious and I always asked as a

478
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Speaker 1: coach of sons, like what was it like growing up?

479
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Speaker 1: How tough was it to have your dad? Did you dad?

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Speaker 1: Or coach you? Oh? Yeah, how tough? That? That was hard?

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Speaker 1: That was hard because he the one thing he did

482
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Speaker 1: teach myself, my brother, we were gonna go earn everything.

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Speaker 1: Nothing was given to us, and he was harder on

484
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Speaker 1: us based upon we didn't play earlier in our career

485
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Speaker 1: because he didn't want to show a favoritism of his

486
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Speaker 1: sons being there. We had to go out and earn it.

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Speaker 1: So learning from that standpoint, I love Friday night lights.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's how I grew up, you know, being

489
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Speaker 1: a ball boy, being the guy out there, you know,

490
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Speaker 1: on the field, running around, being able to see you know,

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Speaker 1: see the different teams and see how my dad connected

492
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Speaker 1: with players. I think the number one thing I got

493
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Speaker 1: from him many times is the relationships. How much he

494
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Speaker 1: built the trust getting kids to you know, to play

495
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Speaker 1: for him and love playing for him. And I think

496
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Speaker 1: those things really carry up to this because I feel

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Speaker 1: you gotta you know, we are in the relationship business also,

498
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Speaker 1: and you gotta of those relationships with your players. And

499
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Speaker 1: it was it was fun, it was exciting. Texans Senior

500
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Speaker 1: defensive assistant John Pagano with US on Texans Radio. Okay,

501
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Speaker 1: so your dad also coached overseas in addition to high

502
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Speaker 1: school ball in the United States. What was that like?

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Speaker 1: It was good. You know, he's done a bunch of things. Actually,

504
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Speaker 1: we went over to Italy with him. I coached the

505
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Speaker 1: defense for the Bergama Lions right outside of Milan. We

506
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Speaker 1: lived in this city and it was great. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was a great experience. The good thing about the

508
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Speaker 1: guys on defense, we had seven guys that could speak English,

509
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Speaker 1: so oh good. So the translator would still have to

510
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Speaker 1: be translating to the other guys. But it was fun.

511
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Speaker 1: It was It's so different because they were just learning,

512
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Speaker 1: you know, truly, the American football game. You know, a

513
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Speaker 1: lot of them grew up in it, watching TV mostly,

514
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Speaker 1: you know, anything they could get videos of. But the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to get out there and be able to just teach,

516
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's truly a part of I was a

517
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Speaker 1: young coach, I think twenty two twenty three years old

518
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Speaker 1: at that time, so, um, it was fun. We went

519
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Speaker 1: to the uh you know, Italian Championship game, played a

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Speaker 1: team in Milan. The head coach of that team actually

521
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Speaker 1: was I don't sark Arcelanian, which was the head coach

522
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Speaker 1: at Colorado State for many years, so my dad and

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Speaker 1: him kind of had a relationship. Yeah, well from Colorado.

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Speaker 1: So it was it was fun. It was it was

525
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Speaker 1: exciting time, you know, living over there and being able

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Speaker 1: to uh teach those guys. And they work all during

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Speaker 1: the day, so a lot of our practice time was

528
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Speaker 1: basically from about eight to eight to ten at night,

529
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Speaker 1: you know, three to four days a week because they

530
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Speaker 1: worked during the day. So it was good that. I

531
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Speaker 1: just think about Pogano. They must have felt like you

532
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Speaker 1: were right at home at Italy. Oh true, Italian. Yeah, right,

533
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Speaker 1: I'm there with my countryman, just out there, you know,

534
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Speaker 1: the good pastas, and the pastas and the wines that

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Speaker 1: we had during that time was outstanding. How did that

536
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Speaker 1: change you as a coach going forward? Coach? Because I

537
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Speaker 1: asked that because I think a lot of times, you know,

538
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Speaker 1: guys end up and they go to you know, big

539
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: time colleges and they get players, you know, like Miles

540
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Speaker 1: Garrett or you know Je Clowney, and it's really easy

541
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Speaker 1: to say, Okay, well GD do this. Like you said,

542
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Speaker 1: you know ceball, you know fine ball, hit you know,

543
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Speaker 1: hit the guy with the ball. But you're coach in Italy.

544
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Speaker 1: These guys are not natural born football players, and I

545
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Speaker 1: would imagine that you had to be sort of innovative

546
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Speaker 1: in some sense to get out of them what you wanted.

547
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Speaker 1: How did that change you as a coach? I think

548
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Speaker 1: every time as a coach, I've coached at all levels

549
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Speaker 1: I've coached my dad had a football camp for many years.

550
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Speaker 1: I coach the eight year olds there. Yeah, and that's fun.

551
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: It's technique, fundamentals and effort, and those are three things

552
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Speaker 1: I've always believed in no matter what level or what

553
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Speaker 1: you know, where you're coaching, whether it's high school, college, elementary,

554
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: it's they all want to be taught and as a coach,

555
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Speaker 1: no matter the situation, I want to teach, and that's

556
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Speaker 1: what we are as teachers. And to be able to

557
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Speaker 1: give the knowledge of what I've learned and keep learning,

558
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: to be able to do those things. It was outstanding

559
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Speaker 1: And any chance, I've always done camps and stuff like that,

560
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Speaker 1: and I love being around youth, the you know, the

561
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: youth coaches, to be able to teach them what I

562
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Speaker 1: know and how I learned the game. And you're always

563
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Speaker 1: giving back, and I think that's important. John Pagano whether

564
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: us on Texans Radio, a couple more for you, and

565
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: I think the managers, boss's teachers listening could benefit from

566
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Speaker 1: this answer. You talked about teaching and coaching and you

567
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: mentioned effort. How hard is it to teach or coach effort? Oh,

568
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Speaker 1: I think you can coach it all. You can coach

569
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Speaker 1: it tremendously. You know, we have we have examples of

570
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Speaker 1: of being able to do it on the practice field,

571
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: being able to run to the football. You have examples

572
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: where we videotape it to see those types of things.

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Speaker 1: And it's it's the one thing that requires um, you know,

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Speaker 1: no talent, effort. Effort alone is is something that you

575
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Speaker 1: don't have to be talented to do. And I always felt,

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Speaker 1: you know, when I was a coordinator that the teams

577
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Speaker 1: that we were going to put out there as a

578
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Speaker 1: defensive staff, the one major thing that they were going

579
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Speaker 1: to say when they left that field was this team

580
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Speaker 1: plays with effort. And I think that's a mindset and

581
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Speaker 1: that's something that you established from day one. It's not

582
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Speaker 1: a sometime deal where you're going to turn it on

583
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden. I think it's it's important for

584
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Speaker 1: any unit to be able to have those certain things.

585
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Speaker 1: And I always provided myself and making sure our guys

586
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Speaker 1: played hard, and that's something that I want to, you know,

587
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: keep that tradition here going of really playing with effort.

588
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Speaker 1: You mentioned working with Romeo Cornell here, you worked with

589
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Speaker 1: Wade Phillips and Say Diego and he was the previous

590
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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator before Cornell came in here in twenty fourteen.

591
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: So what was it like being around Wade? Who people?

592
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: He was outstanding? I learned. I learned a lot of

593
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Speaker 1: football from him. He gave me an opportunity to grow

594
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Speaker 1: as a coach, not only be a young coach, but

595
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Speaker 1: to have the opportunity to make sure I'm giving my ideas,

596
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: you know, to him. He taught me how to teach

597
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: pass rush. I learned, you know, different things of about

598
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Speaker 1: you know, how the game is, how talking to the players,

599
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,959
Speaker 1: you know, all those certain things and just being around him,

600
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Speaker 1: and you know, I consider him, you know, probably one

601
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Speaker 1: of my greatest mentors in this league of truly learning

602
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Speaker 1: defensive football. And it was something that I enjoyed the

603
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: time being with him. I always enjoyed the time being

604
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Speaker 1: able to see him. But it's also great, you know,

605
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Speaker 1: just always still being able to talk to him because

606
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Speaker 1: even when I was a coordinator, you know, he'd always

607
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Speaker 1: call up and offer some advice or something here that

608
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Speaker 1: he saw something like that. So it was it was

609
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Speaker 1: it was a great opportunity for me as a young

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Speaker 1: coach to be able to learn from new coach. I

611
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Speaker 1: know you have played against Texas Houston teams before, but

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Speaker 1: any experience with Houston family members, anybody, or is this

613
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Speaker 1: kind of first time being here? This first time, um,

614
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, excited about the area, families really excited. I

615
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Speaker 1: have a son that's going to be a junior. Uh,

616
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Speaker 1: you know, we're looking at high schools right now, you know, excited.

617
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Speaker 1: He's excited about the football, you know, down here in Houston,

618
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Speaker 1: and I got a younger one that's eight years old,

619
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Speaker 1: just really excited, and we're just you know, we're happy.

620
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Speaker 1: My wife and I are happy to be in this

621
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Speaker 1: area and learn something new. We've never lived in you know, Texas,

622
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Speaker 1: besides coming to play in Houston certain things like that,

623
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Speaker 1: but being able to get a you know, out and

624
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Speaker 1: about and around the community and seeing the different areas

625
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Speaker 1: where people live and that really because you know, you

626
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Speaker 1: do a lot of that or exploring because you're looking

627
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: at the high schools and you're looking at different things.

628
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Speaker 1: So it's been a great opportunity right now, just you know,

629
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Speaker 1: basically learned in the area. That's all I get to

630
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: talk to John Pagano's senior defensive assistant and outside linebackers

631
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Speaker 1: coach for your Houston Texans. That was the first time

632
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Speaker 1: with us. Hopefully not the last time, because that was

633
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: that was really fun to catch up with John Pagano,

634
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Speaker 1: younger brother of Chuck Cgonald, former coach of the Indianapolis Culture.

635
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Speaker 1: All right, coming up, JJ Moses has got a tremendous

636
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: free agency story and figured, hey, This is a great

637
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: time to dive into that. Plus we'll take you around

638
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Speaker 1: in the league and what's happened up through this point

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Speaker 1: and what you can look forward to this weekend in

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Speaker 1: free agency as well, right here in Texans All Access.

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Speaker 1: Happy Friday, everybody. Hopefully wherever you are throughout the state

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Speaker 1: of Texas or the United States or the world. I

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00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: don't know where you're listening, but appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 1: It is Texans All Access and I'm your host, John Harris.

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Speaker 1: We have one final segment and we're here from J. J.

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Speaker 1: Moses here in just a back in, But what plenty

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Speaker 1: of free agency talk throughout the next the next few

648
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Speaker 1: days Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday in particular, and then the new

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00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: league year kicks off on Wednesday. But it's three o'clock Central,

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00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: so that's really when it starts getting hot and heavy.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna start seeing signings. Now. We've had plenty of

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Speaker 1: trade talk. The Rams have been active going out and

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Speaker 1: get a couple of cornerbacks, and people have asked me

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Speaker 1: about Marcus Peters and to keep to leave and and

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Speaker 1: there's to me, it's kind of an interesting juxtaposition because

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Speaker 1: people were like those players could have helped you. Talented, yes,

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Speaker 1: but fit not only on the field off the field,

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00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: or should say not only off the field, but on

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Speaker 1: the field too. Hundred percent certain that those two would

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Speaker 1: have helped you as much as everybody thinks. Peters wanted

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00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: to go to California, and if he wasn't going to California,

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00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: he was gonna be a malcontent wherever he went. And

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00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: Tali wanted to play for Belichick or for Wade Phillips,

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Speaker 1: so they had limited options. And that's why that's why

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Speaker 1: the Rams really don't have to keep up much to

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Speaker 1: go get them, because the Rams knew these guys are

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00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: coming here or they're going nowhere, or the teams are

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00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: gonna have to release him. So teams took those deals.

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Speaker 1: Tween nine other teams said now we don't want we

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Speaker 1: don't want to talk to Marks Peters. We're not interested

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Speaker 1: twenty nine other teams. So what does that tell you?

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Speaker 1: Had a good conversation with Jonathan on Twitter last night

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Speaker 1: and he asked me about Peters and why the Texans

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have gone after him, and I told him I

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Speaker 1: think there are valid reasons why not only the Texans,

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00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: but twenty eight other teams didn't go after Peters, and

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00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: then he made a comment about, well, you know, you

678
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: can't win with a bunch of choir boys. And I

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00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: look around the league and I think, you know what,

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00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: you can win a lot of different ways. You can

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Speaker 1: win a lot of different ways with a lot of

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Speaker 1: different team makeups. And it's been since the beginning. The

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00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: Texans are gonna bring in guys that are fit for

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Speaker 1: this organization, not only on the field but off the field.

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Speaker 1: But last I look, Andre Johnson, good dude, right, one

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00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: of the greatest years of all time. J J. Watt,

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Speaker 1: great dude, one of the greatest defensive players of all time. Watson,

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00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: great dude, and could draft to Johnny Manziel just well

689
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Speaker 1: you know, but but no, that guy wasn't gonna be

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Speaker 1: a fit here. You can win with good guys. Some

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00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: teams have won with some questionable guys. I mean, look

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Speaker 1: last year Markus Peters, one of the best corners in

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Speaker 1: the league, right, playing on a team that had great leaders,

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Speaker 1: Tom Bali, Derek Johnson. How'd that go? Lost the first

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Speaker 1: round of Tennessee Tennessee's garbage offense actually take offense. I

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00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 1: don't care. I just think that whole They buncher choir boys.

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00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: Let's see him take some risks. No, I'd rather see

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Speaker 1: him take some risks on some talented dudes that maybe

699
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: haven't hit the ceiling yet. But I don't you think

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Speaker 1: about people you lead every day and you direct every day.

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00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: If you're a boss, you want those people around. People

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00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: that are widely talented, won't do a single thing you

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00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: ask them to do the right way. They gotta do

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Speaker 1: it their way. Stubborn. Some people just get to the

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Speaker 1: point where they don't want to They want to coach

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Speaker 1: those people, they want to direct those people. They don't

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Speaker 1: want to be in charge of those people. They much

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00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: rather go with somebody that maybe doesn't have it as

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00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: much talent, but they know they're gonna get as much

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00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: or more production. And everybody knows that old line. It's secondary. Secondary.

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Speaker 1: In particular, with this conversation, the Texans got to be

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00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: looking at direction and they will. There are number free

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00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: agents in secondary. You don't have to you don't have

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00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: to follow the Marcus Peters and to keep to leave

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00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 1: bandwagon and signed a deal with that devil, so to speak.

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00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: You can find players that can fit, that can play.

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Speaker 1: Let it end up being good dudes along the way

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Speaker 1: as well. They don't have to be mutually excluded. You

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Speaker 1: win with bad dudes and thugs. No, you don't. I

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Speaker 1: know Aaron r Nant has killed somebody, But the Patriots

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Speaker 1: haven't had a bunch of bad dudes, have they. The

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00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: Patriots been in the news for a bunch of DUIs

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Speaker 1: and rests and things like that. Nah, I didn't think so,

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Speaker 1: So off my soapbox. Let's time to talk a little

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Speaker 1: free agency. One of the guys that can help us

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Speaker 1: is a guy that actually went through that process is

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Speaker 1: JJ Moses and you sat down with DPC two for

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Speaker 1: the Deep Slant podcast. You can get at Houston Texas

729
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Speaker 1: dot com. Go to our podcast page. You get in

730
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Speaker 1: the lab there you get Deep Slant, really good stuff.

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Speaker 1: When JJ and dpcit down and they talked about free agency,

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Speaker 1: where they coming up. But it was a good time

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Speaker 1: to touch base with JJ and ask him about the

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Speaker 1: experience of going through free agency and what that was

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Speaker 1: all about. What is this week like for you as

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Speaker 1: a player on a roster, knowing that in a week

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Speaker 1: you're not going to be walking into that facility anymore.

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Speaker 1: You could be out of a job, You could be

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00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: somewhere totally different. What is that uncertainly like, you went

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Speaker 1: through it a few times. I'm with with a few times,

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Speaker 1: and it's one of those moments where you just at

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00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: that moment in your career, you're kind of excited, but

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00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: yet you're like, man, I don't know what the future

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00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: may hold. And of course that's why you want to

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00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,439
Speaker 1: do everything you can during the off season and also

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00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: during the regular season to prove that you still have

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00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: enough left in the tank. And many of the guys

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00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: that are up within free agency, you know, my advice

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Speaker 1: is just to stay focused and could to work hard,

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00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, what's for you

751
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 1: will open up for you. You You don't you can't control

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00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: certain situations. You can't control whether if a team wants

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00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: to bring you in or not. And I remember there

754
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: were always time, especially during this time of the year,

755
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: that they're always either trying to replace you, or they're

756
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: trying to bring another guy in, or you know, of

757
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: course they want to sign you to a long term deal.

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00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: So's it's one of those things, Deepe where you're just

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00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: kind of like, it's nerve wracking. You just don't know

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00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: what to do. You're just answering. You're just like, oh

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00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: my goodness, I don't know what team, what city, and

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00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: you're and of course your agent is constantly calling you,

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00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: he's constantly keeping you updated. Things are constantly changing, and

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00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: so it's one of those things like as a player,

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00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: you're just ready just to get settled in. You're ready

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00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: to go to that team that really wants you. And again,

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00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: you want to go to that team that really fits

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00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: your style of play. Because sometimes great, it's great to

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00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: chase the money and it's great, you know, to get

770
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: things situated like that, but you also want a team

771
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: where you can go in and fit in within the

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00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: nucleus and you feel comfortable playing. And I know with

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00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: Brian Game and Culture, Brian, they're going to do an

774
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: amazing job of bringing some big time players here within

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Speaker 1: this free agency. Of course we all know, you know,

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00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: with Jay Joe, you know, he played numerous years up here.

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00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting to see what happens with him.

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00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: And of course the offensive line situations. So I know

779
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: they are working non stop, just unbelievable as far as

780
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: you know, deciding what players to bring in, what players

781
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: to keep in, all that type of stuff. So it's

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00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: going to be exciting to see what happens in the

783
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: next few weeks. How aware are you of what other

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00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: teams needs are because as a free agent, oh very weird.

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00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 1: You know, if you're like, say, you're an offensive tackle,

786
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: you must know that, Oh, these are the teams that

787
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: need tackles right now, let me let me keep it

788
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: close eye on what these teams are doing. How much

789
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: are you following now? Oh, you're pretty much aware because

790
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: it's different from whereas you know, if you're in college,

791
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: there's almost one hundred and something Division one teams, but

792
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: in the NFL there's only thirty two teams. And for

793
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: the most part, you really study teams that are in

794
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: your conference. So for example, you know the Jacksonville Jaguars, Okay,

795
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: they probably need some offensive linemen. Or if you know

796
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Coasts, Okay, I've been kind of playing with

797
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: those guys. I can tell that they need some you know,

798
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: defensive linement or whatever the Okay, so you really study

799
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: that all the teams. You kind of know what's out there.

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00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: And again, I remember when I was going through this,

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00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: I mean, my phone constantly was Reagan. I was just like,

802
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: how do you get it? First of all, how do

803
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: you get anything done? Because I know, if I'm waiting

804
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: for an important call, like I can't focus on anything else.

805
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: And this is like the your entire offseason's consumed by

806
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: the end of the league year, which you know it's

807
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: coming closer and closer. And you know, the most difficult

808
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: situation to handles when you have family here. If you

809
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: got wife and kids and they're probably going to school

810
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 1: at an elementary and they love the elementary and house

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00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 1: you got a house and your wife is connected within

812
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: the community, and so I think that's the most difficult part.

813
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: But the great thing that I had in my favor

814
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: at that time was I was single, so I could

815
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: just relocate it, yea, and just leave it any given time.

816
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: But if you got a player that's been here five, six, seven,

817
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: eight years on an NFL team and now they got

818
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: to relocate, get it, get re established again, that's a

819
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: tough situation because now you were the man on your team.

820
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: Everyone knew you, the fans knew you. You were connected

821
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: within the community. So now you got to go to Philadelphia,

822
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: let's say, and now you gotta really just kind of

823
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: re establish yourself. Now guys in the locker room. They

824
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: might know you, but you're not just the guy that, oh, man,

825
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm coming to you for an opportunity. I'm coming to

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Speaker 1: you for a deal. Let's get involved with the community.

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Speaker 1: You got to kind of rework your way up the

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Speaker 1: ladder again. I remember when I had signed with the

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Speaker 1: Chicago Bears, and this was after the Houston Texans that

830
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Speaker 1: released me back in two thousand and five, and I

831
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I'm going to the Bears. I'm excited,

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00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: you know. But when I went to the Bears, it

833
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: was totally different. The whole atmosphere was different. I had

834
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: a number that I don't even know what number they give.

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Speaker 1: It's like a number I don't even know if they

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Speaker 1: even have that number even only you didn't get to

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Speaker 1: ask for the number that you wanted or it was

838
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: just taken. It was just taken. So they gave me

839
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: just this random number. I'm like, this is not a

840
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: receiver's number. What type of numbers is? And then you know,

841
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 1: of course, you got your locker rooms. I'm getting dressed

842
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: in another locker room that was a part of way

843
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: from the locker room. So it was just a weird thing.

844
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: Because you know, I was used to being a starter

845
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: with the Texans, but again, that whole philosophy changes, so

846
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: you have to rework your way up the ladder and

847
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: gain that confidence in all that type of stuff. When

848
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: you start actually feeling comfortable when you're free agent signing

849
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: with the new team. It takes time. I think training

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Speaker 1: camp really helps helps, and also the OTA's help as

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Speaker 1: well too, because you're kind of around the facilities. You

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Speaker 1: get a chance to know the players, the coaches and

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Speaker 1: where's the room. And then it takes time and and

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Speaker 1: and the great thing now more than ever, is that

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Speaker 1: you got social media to kind of really connect with players.

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Speaker 1: Because when I was playing, there was no Facebook. You know,

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Speaker 1: there was no Twitter, so you didn't really have a

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Speaker 1: chance to really follow guys. The only way you would

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Speaker 1: follow guys it is through ESPN or just read magazines.

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Speaker 1: But now it's it's easy to know who's on whose

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Speaker 1: team and all that. And what I would always do

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Speaker 1: is I would always look for guys that played, like,

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Speaker 1: for an example, that played in the Big Twelfth Conference

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Speaker 1: because I played at Iva State, so I would look

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Speaker 1: at guys on the rock who played, Oh he played

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Speaker 1: at University of Texas we played Texas, Oh I remember him,

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Speaker 1: or I would look at guys that you know that

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Speaker 1: kind of had that little history. Oh he's from the

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Speaker 1: Midwestern so we would kind of connect in that way.

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Speaker 1: I remember again when I was going with the Beers,

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Speaker 1: and of course I didn't have the same locker room

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Speaker 1: as everybody, but just it was weird. It was is

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Speaker 1: a weird saying. It was like a transition stuff. We

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Speaker 1: like this guy, then we're gonna move into the big locker.

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Speaker 1: But the cool thing is that when I was playing,

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Speaker 1: we played against the Beers I think once or twice

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Speaker 1: during my career here with the Houston Texas, so we

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Speaker 1: kind of got a chance to know the players from

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Speaker 1: the Beers and vice versus. So when I went there,

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Speaker 1: I remember talking to Brian or Lacker and it's like

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Speaker 1: what's up JJ, And I was like, oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: Brian Lacker. Okay, so it's being inducted in the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famish. It wasn't that big, and so it was

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Speaker 1: one of those things where it's great when players know

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Speaker 1: you from that opposed team because it makes you feel

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Speaker 1: like you're wanted and you're a part of them as well.

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Speaker 1: Love hearing from JJ Moses on the Deep Slant podcast

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Speaker 1: you get at Houston Texans dot com. Big thanks to

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Speaker 1: Deep City, big thanks to job but Gano and Mark Vandermer,

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Speaker 1: and mostly to you guys for listening. We thank you

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Speaker 1: very much, have a great weekend, and we'll see you

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Speaker 1: on Monday right here in Texans All Access. Have a

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Speaker 1: great one, everybody,