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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club. Yeah, it's the world's most dangerous morning

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Speaker 2: to show to Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 3: Charlamagne and God Lauren LaRosa, Envy is on his way

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Speaker 3: back from the Human and Harmony weekend, and Shriep or

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Speaker 3: just Hilarius is on maternity leave.

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Speaker 2: But we got a special guest here, but Vike Ramaswame.

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Speaker 1: It's good to be back.

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Speaker 2: Man. Listen. I like when I guess we can call

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Speaker 2: you a politician though.

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Speaker 1: Right, I'm ex politician. I was about like ten months,

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Speaker 1: eleven months, but.

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Speaker 2: You might run, right at some point I was.

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Speaker 1: I dropped out after. You know, I believe in trying

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Speaker 1: to win. But when your moment isn't there, then you

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Speaker 1: know what, you move on to the next thing.

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Speaker 3: I like when people come when it's not for any

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Speaker 3: particular reason, right, because a lot of times people come

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Speaker 3: just because they're trying to sell you things, whatever, whatever.

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Speaker 2: So I like to just see y'all up here kicking it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I'm back in. Uh you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm an entrepreneur by background. The year in politics is interesting.

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Speaker 1: You learn a lot. I'm still reflecting on it, but

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Speaker 1: I guess you could call me a politician for eleven months.

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Speaker 3: And listen whether I agree with the things you talk

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Speaker 3: about or not. I got to give problems with problems

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Speaker 3: to do. Great speech at the RNC.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Great speech.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Once you get the people.

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Speaker 3: With the call and response, what they were finishing your sentences, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you got something.

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Speaker 1: We uh. We tried to be as effective as I

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Speaker 1: could there. The part of that speech that I wish

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Speaker 1: I had incorporated more into my actual campaign was when

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Speaker 1: to people at home who traditionally aren't viewed as part

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Speaker 1: of the Republican base. And I think that that's something

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Speaker 1: that we should all probably do a better job of,

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Speaker 1: especially as a young person. It's a part of my

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Speaker 1: speech was talking to millennials, talking to gen Z. I

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Speaker 1: I'm a millennial, are pretty jaded and disaffected with policies

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Speaker 1: that Republicans enacted. Right the Iraq War, Well, you know

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Speaker 1: it was a failure. We got to admit that. Brought to

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Speaker 1: the two thousand and eight financial crisis, as well as

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Speaker 1: the bailouts, the bank bailouts, which by the way, I

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Speaker 1: was against before we got to remind people to say,

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Speaker 1: been responsible for some of those policy failures, but you

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Speaker 1: still can't be jaded about your country. And to gen Z,

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Speaker 1: my message is you'll be the generation that actually saves

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Speaker 1: the country. You don't have to bend the need anybody's orthodoxy,

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Speaker 1: not a Republican orthodoxy, not a democratic orthodoxy. Think independently

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Speaker 1: for yourself and so anyway, I think that that was

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Speaker 3: I agree with that, But why do y'all continue to

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Speaker 3: bend the need of magat in?

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Speaker 1: Well, what is maga? Right? We could talk about that.

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Speaker 1: I think that there are many flavors of maga and

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Speaker 1: the idea of making here's where here's my flavor of it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm not somebody who tries to harken back to a

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Speaker 1: the America that I grew up in the America that I.

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Speaker 1: I want to make America greater than it has ever

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Speaker 1: And that's what our country has always been founded on,

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Speaker 1: which recognize which involves recognizing that we're imperfect because we're

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Speaker 3: Because it feels like at the top of the ticket,

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Speaker 3: That's why I do like the Vice president slogan, we're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I will say that when it comes to messaging,

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Speaker 4: Election, a lot better at that than what we were

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Speaker 1: I don't think she has yet given us what her

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Speaker 3: What you want to rebuild the middle class, you want

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Speaker 1: Because there's some examples right specific policies. She sued the

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Speaker 1: Which policies are better going to lift up Americans? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're not doing it yet.

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Speaker 3: The reason I don't like the I'm not gonna say

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Speaker 3: I dislike the term weird. I just think it under

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Speaker 2: Just labeling it weird.

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Speaker 1: I think it's not useful. I think you want to

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Speaker 3: I think abolishing women's reproductive rights, you know, is a

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Speaker 1: Here's where we should have the policy debate in that,

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Speaker 1: is opposed to a national ban on abortion. So am I,

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Speaker 2: Whibo rov Wade, Why the Supreme Court decisions?

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Speaker 3: I'm the reason that just happened.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I think that there's a legal and constitutional

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Speaker 1: And here's a litmus test i'd give you now, I

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Speaker 1: And the litmus test for both sides is this, why

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Speaker 2: I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: I think both parties need to be talking about nothing

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Speaker 3: but the issues at this point because people are out

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Speaker 3: to put money in their pocket.

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Speaker 2: Yep, and how are you going to keep them safe?

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Speaker 3: Whoever can speak to those things to the next eighty

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Speaker 1: Mass illegal immigration, economic growth, and staying out of World

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Speaker 1: War three? Who has the better vision to do each

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Speaker 1: of those things? Do both parties agree on that? First

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Speaker 1: of all, that's an open question. Where do we stand

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Speaker 1: on mass illegal immigration? We don't really know what the

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Speaker 1: democratic position is. But assuming we agree on mass illegal

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Speaker 1: immigration is a bad thing, economic stagnation is a bad thing,

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Speaker 1: and World War III is a bad thing, how do

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Speaker 1: we solve those three problems? Whichever party offers the better

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Speaker 4: Well, I think we have days, and I think like

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Speaker 4: you talked about like in your when you first begin

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Speaker 4: like the people are going to be next at solving

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Speaker 1: yourself and who you are? That I think is an

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Speaker 1: interesting line of attack, and that could include some cultural

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Speaker 1: elements for her, what her racial identity is or isn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good line of attack. But

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Speaker 1: the idea that are you somebody who's going to tell

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Speaker 1: people your actual beliefs, or you're just going to tell

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Speaker 1: whichever audience is in front of you what they want

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Speaker 1: to hear. That I think is valid. Tim Walls going

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Speaker 1: after him for any part of his military service, to

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Speaker 1: say that, oh, you didn't carry a big enough gun

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Speaker 1: on the front line of fire, and therefore you didn't

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Speaker 1: serve the country. That's not a good line of attack.

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Speaker 1: But I think an interesting and worthy line of attack

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Speaker 1: is saying that did you lie about it?

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Speaker 2: Right? You do.

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Speaker 1: There's no obligation in this country to serve in the military.

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Speaker 1: It's honorable if you do. But if you're going to

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Speaker 1: say that you served in a war that you weren't

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Speaker 1: in that then that goes back to the question of honesty.

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Speaker 1: What doesn't matter without those distinctions.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't that deflect from what Tim Wall the issue that

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Speaker 3: he's actually bought up, which is there shouldn't be any

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Speaker 3: military style assault weapons on the streets in the hands

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Speaker 3: of civilians, because that's really what he was talking about

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Speaker 3: to me when you start bringing up well, I think.

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Speaker 1: There's a few different things going on the Tim Wall situation.

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Speaker 1: There is evidence in interviews and otherwise that he suggested

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Speaker 1: he served in Afghanistan when he didn't, and that he

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Speaker 1: actually did know before that he was going to be

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Speaker 1: called to Iraq before he decided to actually go run

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Speaker 1: for Congress. I'm not in the business of questioning his

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Speaker 1: service at all. But when you're asking the question, and

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Speaker 1: you haven't heard me talk about this general topic in

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Speaker 1: the media at all myself, But if you're asking me,

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Speaker 1: is it fair game for Republicans to go after him

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Speaker 1: for lying to the public.

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Is it smart or a good idea to go after

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Speaker 1: him for military service? No, But I think that for

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Speaker 1: lying to the public for somebody's gonna be vice prison

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Speaker 1: of the United States, that is I think. I think

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Speaker 1: from the issue of gunment, well, my whole thing is,

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Speaker 1: let's focus this on policy. Let's let's have a debate

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Speaker 1: on the merits of policy and where you lent. Now

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Speaker 1: Tim Wall's it's interesting as a governor, you may or

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Speaker 1: may not agree with the policies, but he is a

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Speaker 1: governor who has increased the tax burden in Minnesota. He

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Speaker 1: favors higher capital gains taxes for people live in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the highest tax states in the country.

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Speaker 1: It's not California, New York. It's a Midwestern state, got

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Speaker 1: by far the highest tax burden of anywhere in the Midwest.

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Speaker 1: He is somebody who believes in a lot of the

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Speaker 1: restrictions on fossil fuels. I don't know where you all

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Speaker 1: are on that issue. I'm dead set against much of

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Speaker 1: the climate change agenda because I think it leaves Americans

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Speaker 1: of every political persuasion worse off. Tim Wallas as a

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Speaker 1: governor has been most one of the most aggressive. Some

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Speaker 1: people might like it, people like me don't. But he's

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Speaker 1: been one of the most aggressive on implementing climate change policies,

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Speaker 1: even at the state level. So those are legitimate lines

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Speaker 1: of attack that I think we're not going hard enough

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Speaker 1: on as Republicans because we're focused on other issues.

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Speaker 4: I was going to say, well, back to Kamala, do

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Speaker 4: you think that because you say, like you can't get

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Speaker 4: to her hard policy, But everybody's having so much conversation

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Speaker 4: about her race in what she said versus what she

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Speaker 4: didn't say, I.

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Speaker 1: Think he's actually helps Kamala, to be clear, from a

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Speaker 1: strategist perspective, from a Republican standpoint, she gives us a

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Speaker 1: lot to focus on by way of policy criticism. We're

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Speaker 1: actually missing that opportunity right now. So I'd like to

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Speaker 1: see that change in the next three months, and I

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Speaker 1: think the country would be better off for it. I

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Speaker 1: also don't favor I said this even when Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: was running for president. So there's a pledge that the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party required you to sign to be on the

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Speaker 1: debate stage last year. So I did the Republican primary debate.

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Speaker 1: It was called the beat Biden Pledge. I said, this

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Speaker 1: is a nonsensical idea for two reasons. Okay, one is

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna be running against Biden. Turns

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Speaker 1: out that ends up being the case. But the second

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Speaker 1: reason is we're not going to succeed for the country

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Speaker 1: or at the ballot box by just railing against the

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Speaker 1: radical Biden agenda. We have to stand for our own

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Speaker 1: vision for the country. What do we actually stand for,

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Speaker 1: not just what are we against? And so if we

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Speaker 1: make that same mistake with respect to Kamala Harris, I

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Speaker 1: don't think we're runn against an individ candidate. I think

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Speaker 1: we're running against a machine. And what I'd like to

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Speaker 1: see as her vision is we want to go in

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Speaker 1: and dismantle that machine. That's what draining the swamp was

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Speaker 1: actually about. That's why you had that dragon energy in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. And I think there's nonpartisan, bipartisan interest in

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Speaker 1: saying that, you know what we do, live in a

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Speaker 1: country where a bureaucracy crushes the will of the citizens,

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Speaker 1: go in and break that system. That's a powerful and

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Speaker 1: I think unifying message.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of going after just one

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Speaker 1: individual candidate because it misses the point of what we're

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Speaker 1: up against. For Kamala Harris's part, though, I think she

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Speaker 1: owes the people of this country an answer. Where does

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Speaker 1: she stand on nationalizing healthcare? Are you for it or

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Speaker 1: are you against it? Where do you stand? This is

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Speaker 1: a big one that people don't to talk about. Affects

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Speaker 1: small business owners, including black and white business owners across

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Speaker 1: the country. She favors what's called a tax on unrealized

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Speaker 1: capital gains. What that means is even if you have

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Speaker 1: a business, you know you're a businessman too, right, So

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Speaker 1: you're operating a business, but to take somebody who's maybe

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Speaker 1: in a tougher position than you are. That means you

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Speaker 1: have to pay taxes even when you don't have the

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Speaker 1: cash to pay those taxes, because the government says that

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Speaker 1: it's worth something and you have to pay twenty five

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Speaker 1: percent of that value every year. Well, what if you

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Speaker 1: don't have the cash in your pocket? That forces you'd

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Speaker 1: either sell your business take out a loan to pay taxes.

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Speaker 1: That's a formula for real economic calamity. She has consistently

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Speaker 1: supported that. That's what we need to be talking about.

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Speaker 1: Are you still in favor of it? If so, why

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Speaker 1: let's have that policy debate. And I think that hiding

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Speaker 1: from those issues is something that leaves American people holding

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Speaker 1: the bag.

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Speaker 3: She'll get to that, I'm sure when the debates come

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Speaker 3: in everything else and we only have three months she

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Speaker 3: does interviews.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that.

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Speaker 3: I want to ask you think about the flip flopping two?

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Speaker 3: Isn't that what politicians do?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 3: And what I mean by that is Jade Vance was

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Speaker 3: calling Trump America's hitler, all right, but now he's when

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Speaker 3: it comes to Trump, he's the hawk. Two girl like,

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Speaker 3: he's just you know, he's sucking them off every chance

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Speaker 3: he gets. And that's what that's what a lot of

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Speaker 3: y'all do, like just politicians in general. You here so

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Speaker 3: many different Republicans have said so many negative things about

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump, but ans soon as he becomes a non

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Speaker 3: everybody just falls in line.

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Speaker 4: And normally they fall on the line in unison and

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Speaker 4: you can raise against rage against the machine. It doesn't

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Speaker 4: feel like Trump in vents are like, it's not there, Like,

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Speaker 4: so what do.

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Speaker 2: You call that?

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Speaker 1: A desolute So here's what I will say, is is

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Speaker 1: it fair game to press JD. Vance hard on why

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Speaker 1: he said certain things about Donald Trump before versus what

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Speaker 1: his view is on Donald Trump today? Yes, I think

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Speaker 1: that's fair game. And has he been pressed and has

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Speaker 1: he answered for that? Yes? He has. What I would

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Speaker 1: love to see is both candidates and Kamala Harris hasn't

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Speaker 1: done this yet. I'd love to challenge her to do

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Speaker 1: it because I think it's good for the voters of

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Speaker 1: the country. She hasn't sat down for one media interview

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Speaker 1: of a hard pressing one on one variety yet, and

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Speaker 1: she's actually the leading candidate now when many of the

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Speaker 1: polls for US president. So I just think we deserve

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Speaker 1: a country where the people are willing to show up.

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Speaker 1: She's show up, here's show up on CNBC where I

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Speaker 1: was this morning and actually engage in hard questions about

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Speaker 1: what her beliefs are You So JD say what you

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Speaker 1: will on three Show yesterday pressed on exactly that very issue,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's good for the American people to

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Speaker 1: then be able to to make their own judgment. It's

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Speaker 1: not your judgment or the journalist's judgment, but it's what

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Speaker 1: people at home are able to see to assess. Do

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Speaker 1: I actually believe somebody who believes they changed their mind

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Speaker 1: over the course of time. Kamala Harris might have changed

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Speaker 1: her mind, and I think it's okay. Flip flopping is

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Speaker 1: one thing, changing your mind thoughtfully is another. But you

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Speaker 1: deserve to be questioned on it, and it's up to

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Speaker 1: the voters to decide whether or not they believe you.

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Speaker 1: Right now, we're not getting that chance. And I do

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Speaker 1: think it is you know, you're saying, well, we hopefully

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Speaker 1: we're going to see that. I'm not sure yet that

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Speaker 1: we will. It's been about a solid month that Kamala

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Speaker 1: Harris has been the presumptive nominee. We got the convention

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Speaker 1: coming up this coming week next week. I think it

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Speaker 1: is vital for the health of this country that the

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Speaker 1: same treatment that the media gave Joe Biden in that

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Speaker 1: last few weeks after his debate, they didn't do that

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Speaker 1: for three years. For three years, we missed that. The

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Speaker 1: fact that it took that early debate and Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: demolishing them in that debate for the country to suddenly

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Speaker 1: wake up and say that Joe Biden is not a

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Speaker 1: functioning US president is actually a damning indictment of the

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Speaker 1: entire media and its relationship to the political class. So

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Speaker 1: we can't make that same mistake with Kamala Harris. I

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Speaker 1: think the media needs to demand that she at least

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Speaker 1: faced the same kind of questioning that frankly JD. Vans

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Speaker 1: and Donald Trump are getting right now, and then the

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Speaker 1: public is it's up to them to decide that's that's

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Speaker 1: a functioning demoonrator.

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Speaker 4: You're not implying by her not doing the interviews and

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Speaker 4: based off the way that Biden was treated in the

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Speaker 4: last couple of weeks, you're not implying that you don't

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Speaker 4: think she's competent to be the president of the United States.

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Speaker 1: Right I'm seeing the media is covering for her right

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Speaker 1: now the same way they covered for Biden for three years.

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Speaker 5: Ain't they're covering or you think that she's just using.

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Speaker 1: They're not planning hard, they're not paying this She's using

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Speaker 1: a strategy. Okay, I think she's using some smart she's due.

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Speaker 1: That's fine. But I think it's the media's job now

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Speaker 1: to cut through that strategy and say, this person very

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Speaker 1: well could be the president of the United States has

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Speaker 1: at least a fifty percent chance right now according to

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Speaker 1: most forecasts, of being the next president. She deserves to

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Speaker 1: be questioned not with kid gloves, but questioned with the

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Speaker 1: gloves off on what exactly her policy vision is for

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Speaker 1: the country. Until that happens, I think the voters are

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Speaker 1: hiding in the dark, and that's what allows the machine

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Speaker 1: to work, because we know she's questioned a lot on

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Speaker 1: that behind closed doors. Who's funding the campaigns of both parties?

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Speaker 1: You know, behind closed doors, a lot of donors ask

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Speaker 1: a lot of questions. That's how you raise hundreds of

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars in just one month. The voting public

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Speaker 1: deserves that same level of transparency and one of the things.

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Speaker 1: I will you say what you will about. You know,

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Speaker 1: you could criticize either side. I like that Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: showed up at the Libertarian Party convention. Right, that's a

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Speaker 1: third party CONVENTIONI I actually spoke there. He spoke there

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Speaker 1: as well the next night. I like that he spoke

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Speaker 1: to the National Association of Black Journalists in Chicago. I'd

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Speaker 1: love for Kamala Harris to show up at the National

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Speaker 1: Association of Black Journalists wanted.

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Speaker 3: They wouldn't let her do the virtual things. You guys,

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Speaker 3: she does have a day sho but the day job.

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Speaker 1: But the day job is run and come on, at

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Speaker 1: this point, she is going full time running, reading off

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Speaker 1: a teleprompter at the rallies, the same thing four times

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Speaker 1: a day. She should show up for that interview. If

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump sits sits down with the National Association of

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Speaker 1: Black Journalists, I'm sorry. A scheduling excuse is not a

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Speaker 1: valid reason for the for them, don't we also show up?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 4: If Kamala had to cut you off, I'm sorry. I

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Speaker 4: kamalas is down with NABJ. We know where she's going

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Speaker 4: conversation wise, right, I think it's honestly, I certainly true.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. I think that I think

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Speaker 1: the person who did that interview for Donald Trump, if

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Speaker 1: they had taken the same approach with respect to Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 1: I think that actually be pretty good conversation.

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Speaker 2: For the country. I want to see the news I think.

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Speaker 1: Even better. Right, So, one of the things I liked,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Donald Trump went to the Bronx. People could

681
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Speaker 1: say it wasn't the real Bronx or whatever, but he

682
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Speaker 1: showed up in the Bronx, he grew up in South Bronx,

683
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Speaker 1: showed up in inner cities in the country. Even in

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Speaker 1: my own campaign, I went to the South side of Chicago,

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Speaker 1: went to a room full of what ninety five percent black,

686
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Speaker 1: ninety five percent Democrat, not a traditional Republican primary location.

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Speaker 1: I went to Kensington in the inner city of Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: Speaking as a former candidate myself, I could tell you

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Speaker 1: those troops had an impact on me, right. It had

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Speaker 1: an impact on my view of a national unity that

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Speaker 1: I believe is possible in this country that I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have had if I hadn't showed up there. I'd love

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Speaker 1: to see Kamala Harris going too rural Mississippi, going to

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Speaker 1: Alabama going to showing up at a Fox News moderated

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Speaker 1: town hall.

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Speaker 3: Well, she does do that. Now, we can't act like

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Speaker 3: she doesn't do it. I mean even the past, which

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Speaker 3: she hit all of the battleground states and she's actually

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Speaker 3: hitting the street, which I think, which I think in

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Speaker 3: a lot of ways is more effective right now than sitting.

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Speaker 1: With host questioning though is not. I want to see

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Speaker 1: her answer questions from people who disagree with her. That's

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Speaker 1: what the country has founded on. So face face off

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Speaker 1: with the people you disagree with, like town hall and

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Speaker 1: or and or hostile journalists. And here's why when you

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Speaker 1: stop talking about hard hitting, yeah, hot heart hitting people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, cause you see a black woman in a hostile situation,

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Speaker 4: you haven't, did you see that when you went to

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Speaker 4: any places, she won't know how to handle issues.

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Speaker 1: I hope so, well, I hope so for the country.

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Speaker 1: But here's what I will say is when you stop

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Speaker 1: talking to people who disagree with you, it becomes a

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Speaker 1: lot easier to demonize them. And and that's and that's

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Speaker 1: what happens in the country. So say what you will

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Speaker 1: about you know, I know we probably have different views

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Speaker 1: on who were voting for this cycle, but I will

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Speaker 1: say more so than most Republicans, and in this cycle,

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Speaker 1: more so than the Democratic opponent. Donald Trump has talked

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Speaker 1: to people who disagree with him faced off more than

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris has. And I think she has a couple

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Speaker 1: months left to see if she has it inner level up.

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Speaker 1: If you want to sit across the table from Xi

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Speaker 1: Jinping or Vladimir Putin, then you better be willing to

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Speaker 1: sit across the table from your fellow Americans who disagree

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Speaker 1: with you and face that questioning too. And that's when

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Speaker 1: I challenged her. If she does that, I'm not gonnay

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Speaker 1: I'm going to vote for her, but because I disagree

728
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Speaker 1: with her on the policies, but I will respect her

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Speaker 1: as a candidate in a way that I don't until

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Speaker 1: she actually doesn't.

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Speaker 2: You're not just gonna support your fellow Indian because she's

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Speaker 2: an Indian.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I would say that one of the things

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Speaker 1: actually funny you bring that up in that I believe

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Speaker 1: for all American we got to vote in policy. Of course,

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Speaker 1: a lot of Unian American community is a little bit

737
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Speaker 1: is a little bit disappointed or a little bit offended,

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Speaker 1: at least in the fact that she doesn't really own

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Speaker 1: that part of her identity anymore. I know what she

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Speaker 1: did before, right, I'm not saying it. I'm just I'm

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Speaker 1: don't blame a messenger, but I'm telling you as a

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Speaker 1: just you can it is the fact that a good

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Speaker 1: at least in my read of it, I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of Indian Americans do have a little bit of

745
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Speaker 1: disappointment about that. My whole view is I don't like

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Speaker 1: identity politics period, right, one direction or another, we got

747
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Speaker 1: to revive our shared American identity, okay, And so if

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Speaker 1: we are really committed to the ideals of this country,

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Speaker 1: I think we should focus on what policies are you advancing,

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Speaker 1: regardless of your race, regardless of your skin color. So,

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Speaker 1: whether she's dealing with a tax or she's dealing with

752
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Speaker 1: leaning into it, I'm against it in both forms. Forget

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Speaker 1: the identity politics around the board, and focus on how

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Speaker 1: you're going to have policies that lift up all Americans.

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Speaker 1: That's what I favor talking about. But didn't you bring

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Speaker 1: it up. I'm just the master here. I think there

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Speaker 1: are some Indian Americans out there that do feel some

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Speaker 1: sense of offense about it.

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Speaker 2: What I want to tell in the Americans. That's not true.

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Speaker 3: She claims both sides black in Indian And this is

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Speaker 3: my last question, because I know you got to go.

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Speaker 3: What were your thoughts when Ann Kolta told you that

763
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Speaker 3: she wouldn't vote for you because you're Indian?

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Speaker 2: She told you that verbatim.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you are an Indian is what she said. So look,

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Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's shameful. I just agree

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Speaker 1: with it deeply. But one of the things that I

768
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Speaker 1: think we need more of in this country. The only

769
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Speaker 1: thing worse than that is her not saying it, but

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Speaker 1: that actually being a true fact for why many people

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Speaker 1: wouldn't vote for me.

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Speaker 3: But you know, it's a lot of people and talk

773
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Speaker 3: about a party who look at you like that. Do

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Speaker 3: I mean it's the same party that would make racist

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Speaker 3: jokes about you draw a racist cartoon.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's one of the things I actually haven't haven't

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Speaker 1: mentioned this before. One of the things that bothered me

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Speaker 1: a little bit in the campaign is maybe it's because

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Speaker 1: of my style or whatever. A lot of people in

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Speaker 1: the Republican primary base would say, Oh, he's just telling

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Speaker 1: us what we want to hear, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: that he actually means it or believes it. I got

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Speaker 1: that a lot. Actually, I thought about it after the race.

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Speaker 1: If I really wanted to tell you what you wanted

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Speaker 1: to hear, do you think I would tell you that

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Speaker 1: I'm a Hindu who practiced with my beliefs without changing

787
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Speaker 1: or shortening my last name. So if I'm going to

788
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Speaker 1: stick to that, you have a lot of politicians in

789
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Speaker 1: American politics, including other people on that debate stage, that

790
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: have changed their name, some who have evolved their religion.

791
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Speaker 1: I haven't done any of those things. So if I

792
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Speaker 1: wanted to tell you something that was going to make

793
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Speaker 1: it easier for me to win, those are the numb

794
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Speaker 1: number one and two things that you would do. But

795
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Speaker 1: my view is you got to be who you are,

796
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Speaker 1: and I am somebody who has my own beliefs, and

797
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Speaker 1: I am proud of not only my faith because it

798
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Speaker 1: guides me to make the decisions I do, but who

799
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Speaker 1: I am and how I got to where I am now.

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Speaker 1: I think in the long run, and I've met many

801
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Speaker 1: people in the Republican primary base across the entire country,

802
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Speaker 1: I think in the long run people do respect that

803
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Speaker 1: level of authenticity and commitment, and so are there going

804
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Speaker 1: to be a lot of people who on either side

805
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Speaker 1: of the spectrum to say I can't vote for you

806
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Speaker 1: for some silly reason. Sure, but I'm not going to

807
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Speaker 1: be a victim over that. You know what, if I'm

808
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Speaker 1: running to be president of the United States, I can't

809
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Speaker 1: blame the media. I certainly can't blame the voters. It's

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Speaker 1: my job to actually give people a reason to say,

811
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Speaker 1: you know what, you might have believed what you did before,

812
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Speaker 1: but here's your reason to think about it a little

813
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Speaker 1: bit differently. And I think we did bring along a

814
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Speaker 1: lot of people who believe they could have never voted

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Speaker 1: for a Hindu who said that, you know what, if

816
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Speaker 1: he shares the same value set that I do and

817
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Speaker 1: is actually going to advance the country and allow me

818
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Speaker 1: to be religiously free. I think there were a few

819
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Speaker 1: people who we brought along that way, more than a

820
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Speaker 1: few people over the course of the campaign. And you know,

821
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Speaker 1: I think one of the things I learned is I

822
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: preach this to the left all the time, right, is

823
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Speaker 1: that I won't say that you're the only person who's

824
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: responsible for your destiny, because there's otherwise always external factors

825
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: that hold you back, external prejudices or whatever. You and

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Speaker 1: I in our last conversation talked about this a lot

827
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Speaker 1: in the black community, But you could say the same

828
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Speaker 1: thing in this context. You're talking about me and my

829
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Speaker 1: race for president. Okay, maybe you're not the sole determinant

830
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Speaker 1: of what you achieve in life, fine, but the most

831
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Speaker 1: important determinant of what you're able to achieve in life

832
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Speaker 1: is still you. There are other factors, but the number

833
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Speaker 1: one factor that determines whether or not you succeed or

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Speaker 1: achieve your goals is you. So for me, now, I've

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Speaker 1: got to preach that hard truth to myself. Are there

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Speaker 1: a lot of factors that were uphill factors for me

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Speaker 1: in this race, including my last name being harder to

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Speaker 1: remember or to pronounce, the fact that I'm Hindu, which

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Speaker 1: I haven't had a Hindu president before, or there are

840
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Speaker 1: a lot of other reasons why. Sure, But the number

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Speaker 1: one reason why I wasn't successfully elected comes still down

842
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: to me. And I got to look and confront myself

843
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: in the mirror and ask myself what I could have

844
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Speaker 1: done better to succeed. And so I'm the same message.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to preach to the left or preach to

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Speaker 1: the other side. I'm going to try to practice in

847
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Speaker 1: my own life as well. If you want to be

848
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Speaker 1: the leader of the country, it's up to you to

849
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: level up and actually explain to people why you believe

850
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: that your vision is going to be best for them.

851
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Speaker 1: And you know what, it was hell of an experience

852
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't trade it off for anything. It's been

853
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: probably the most challenging but most enriching thing I've done

854
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: in my life was the last year of traveling this country.

855
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Speaker 1: Meeting people of all creeds, all political persuasion, all races,

856
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: strengthen me. And you know, whatever I do next, I'm

857
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: going to be I'm going to be stronger for it.

858
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: And we're figuring that out right now.

859
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Speaker 5: So what ought to be?

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Speaker 4: And say you think the Republican Party will have a

861
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Speaker 4: person of color as a presidential nominee at some point.

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Speaker 1: I think is entirely possible. Yeah, I think it's entirely

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Speaker 1: possible in the near future. I mean, if you look

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Speaker 1: at even twenty sixteen, Ben Carson at one point, let

865
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Speaker 1: in the polls. If you look at twenty twelve, number

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Speaker 1: one for a little while was Herman Kine as well,

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Speaker 1: and that's twenty twelve. I think we're even different than

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four relative to twenty twelve. Frankly, even in

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Speaker 1: the race that I had, I mean I was I

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Speaker 1: was running, you know, briefly ahead of Ron DeSantis at

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Speaker 1: the early parts of the debates. That put me at

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Speaker 1: number two next to Donald Trump at certain points in

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Speaker 1: the race. So were there some headwinds for me? You

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Speaker 1: got an culter's comment, was that representative of a broader current?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: That exists? But was that the reason why I did

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Speaker 1: not succeed? Or am I going to pin the blame

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Speaker 1: on that?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: I think it comes down to everybody has their own

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Speaker 1: unique challenges. People have biases of all kinds. It comes

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Speaker 1: in a lot of different flavors. But if you're running

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Speaker 1: to lead the country, it's up to you to overcome that.

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Speaker 1: Is that surmountable?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I believe it is. And do I think that at

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Speaker 1: some point in our lifetime you're going to have somebody

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Speaker 1: who is not a white man be the Republican nominee

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Speaker 1: and successfully elected US President as Republican? I think definitely.

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Speaker 1: I think gowhelmingly likely.

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Speaker 2: I think they should have made Nikki Haley the nominate issues.

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Speaker 3: I disagree with that out our putter or as vice

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Speaker 3: president it would have been a tougher ticket to beat.

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Speaker 1: And I disagree with that based on ideology because she

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Speaker 1: and I have deep seated different views about our appetite

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Speaker 1: to interview different than Trump. Yeah, I have a lot

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Speaker 1: of different views than Trump.

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Speaker 2: You don't really like Trump's politics, but Vick.

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Speaker 1: Well, I have. I've been very clear that I don't

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Speaker 1: agree with Trump one hundred percent of policies. I ran

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Speaker 1: for president for a year. I was very making clearly

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Speaker 1: the case of where I have some slightly different policy

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Speaker 1: views than Donald Trump. Hopefully that makes actually my reason

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Speaker 1: for endorsing him at least credible to the people who

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Speaker 1: followed me during the race to say I'm not changing

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Speaker 1: my policy positions. I still don't agree with him one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent of policies, but I'm voting for him nonetheless

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Speaker 1: because I think he's going to grow the economy and

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Speaker 1: solve the illegal mass migration crisis, which I do think

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Speaker 1: is hurting this country. And I think those are the

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Speaker 1: two issues that matter most to the next four years

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Speaker 1: of our development. But I think about the future this actually

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Speaker 1: we don't know. We don't cover this ground, and maybe

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Speaker 1: you guys aren't interested in this either, But I think

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Speaker 1: there are different flavors of America First beneath the surface

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Speaker 1: simmering right now. I think it's interesting it's in the

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Speaker 1: very early stages of this on one strain of America First,

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Speaker 1: it's the idea that we need to protect American manufacturers

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Speaker 1: from the effects of foreign price competition, that we need

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Speaker 1: to protect American labor from the effects of legal immigration

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Speaker 1: into the country. I'm not so much in that camp.

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Speaker 1: I'm in the camp of America First that says the

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Speaker 1: federal bureaucracy is actually the main thing holding back this country.

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Speaker 1: So I don't want to replace the left wing nanny

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Speaker 1: state with a right wing nanny state. I want to

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Speaker 1: actually shut down the nanny state. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: replace the left wing regulatory state with a right wing

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Speaker 1: regulatory state to advance so called good goals. Actually just

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Speaker 1: want to dismantle the regulatory state. And that's an interesting

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Speaker 1: There's two different currents within even the America First wing

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Speaker 1: of the Republican Party, and I think we're going to

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Speaker 1: be at our best if we have those debates in

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Speaker 1: the open. In the same way that I would say

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Speaker 1: about a Democrat, somebody who has different views than me,

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Speaker 1: but is actually willing to defend them and say this

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Speaker 1: is my ideology. That's great, we are allowed to have

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Speaker 1: different ideologies. But what I don't have a ton of

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Speaker 1: patients for is a lot of politicians who refuse to

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Speaker 1: acknowledge that they have an ideology or they don't have

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Speaker 1: one at all. And that goes to my challenge not

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Speaker 1: just to fellow Republicans, but Ta Kamala Harris as well.

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Speaker 1: It's not that she's a Marxist. I have no idea

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Speaker 1: if she's a Marxist, just tell me what your actual

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Speaker 1: beliefs are so we can have an honest debate. That's

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Speaker 1: when the country's best off. And you're right, you know,

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Speaker 1: within the Republican Party, I do represent a set of

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Speaker 1: views where I don't agree with one hundred percent of

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Speaker 1: what a lot of other prominent Republicans say. But for

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Speaker 1: my part, I'm willing to defend that. And you know

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Speaker 1: I'm biased, but I think this idea of taking on

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Speaker 1: the regulatory state personally, I do think that is the

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Speaker 1: way of the future for even the Republican Party. When

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Speaker 1: you play this forward, you know, four, eight, ten years

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Speaker 1: down the line.

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Speaker 2: But vake Ramaswami always a pleasure, sir.

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Speaker 3: Good to see guys like when you pull up, let's

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Speaker 3: just you know, keep the conversation going.

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Speaker 1: Ye see what I love it.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely thanks. It's the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 1: Wake that answer in the morning at Breakfast Club m