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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is Kimberly Ross. Kimberly is an opinion

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Speaker 1: writer for Washington Examiner and The Magnolia Tribune. Hi, Kimberly,

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Speaker 1: So nice to have you on.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Carol, thank you so much for having me. Glad

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Speaker 2: to be here.

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Speaker 1: So I've been reading you for a very long time,

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Speaker 1: and I'd love to know more about you and how

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Speaker 1: you got into this, you know, what I call this

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Speaker 1: thing of ours. What was your what was your start here?

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Speaker 2: It's interesting. I've always been interested in politics and news,

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Speaker 2: even from a young age. I remember my parents always

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Speaker 2: had the news on, and I loved hearing about the world,

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Speaker 2: the bigger world around me, whether it was politics or

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Speaker 2: just culture or something. So news has always been something

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Speaker 2: I've been interested in. And I was one of those

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Speaker 2: teenagers who like to watch the State of the Union,

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Speaker 2: you know, one of those really weird teenagers who did that,

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Speaker 2: and then like watched election returns and stuff. So I

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Speaker 2: always wanted to be involved in politics or news in

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Speaker 2: some way. But after high school, I went to college.

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Speaker 2: I went to community college for two years to try

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Speaker 2: to kind of figure out what I wanted to do,

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Speaker 2: and I was an elementary education major for semester, and

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Speaker 2: I realized very quickly that I was not made to

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Speaker 2: be a teacher in a room of like twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I hear you on that people are.

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Speaker 2: Really good at that and I am not one of

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Speaker 2: those people.

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Speaker 1: I'm impressed by those people. I just do not have

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Speaker 1: that tree.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is so not me. So I knew I

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Speaker 2: wanted to pursue politics after that, something in that field.

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Speaker 2: So I majored in history, and then after my bachelor's

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Speaker 2: I went to grad school and did grad school work

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Speaker 2: in political science. I haven't finished my master's yet, but

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Speaker 2: I'd like to go back and finish that someday. But

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Speaker 2: I did. I did focus on that in college and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Then ended up getting married. I met my husband online.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well in the dark days of internet dating, way

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Speaker 2: back in like two semon and everything. So after we

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Speaker 2: got married, I was working full time while he was

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Speaker 2: finishing his grad school degree, and I knew I wanted

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Speaker 2: to start writing about politics because I had done so

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Speaker 2: much writing in college with history and things like that.

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Speaker 2: So I was like, I think I would like to

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Speaker 2: try my hand at doing opinion writing and see how

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Speaker 2: it goes from there. So I started my own little

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Speaker 2: blog on Medium in twenty fourteen. I had like twenty

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Speaker 2: four reads. Like my first post, what was it called?

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Speaker 2: I forget? I actually forget what I called my blog.

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Speaker 2: But it has been so long ago. But I started

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Speaker 2: writing and then being connected on Twitter way back then.

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Speaker 2: I networked and stuff and got connected with Eric Erickson

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Speaker 2: and he invited me to write for Red State as

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Speaker 2: a front page contributor in twenty fifteen. So I started

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Speaker 2: writing there in twenty fifteen and it just kind of

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Speaker 2: took off from there. And then I started writing for

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Speaker 2: Examiner as a contributor in twenty eighteen. I've been contributing

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Speaker 2: to them ever since, very regularly, and a few other places.

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Speaker 2: I've conty a bit of two here and there. So

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Speaker 2: it was a path I didn't expect to be on it,

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Speaker 2: but I am very passionate about it. I love doing

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Speaker 2: it and I'm glad to be here.

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Speaker 1: What is the Magnolia Tribune.

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Speaker 2: It is a an online site based in Mississippi that

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Speaker 2: does a regional but also kind of national and international.

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Speaker 2: There's opinion writing, there's local news, things like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like local news sites are just so lacking.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess it's very hard to make

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Speaker 1: money with them. I mean that has to be what

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Speaker 1: the what the issue is. But I'd love to read

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Speaker 1: sort of local opinion writing my area. I just don't

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Speaker 1: think it exists. I mean, I've looked for it before, really,

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Speaker 1: and if you do find it, it's usually like kooky, right,

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Speaker 1: it's very very local, Yes, exactly, but I love that.

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Speaker 1: So how did you and your husband meet? What was

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Speaker 1: the online meeting in two thousand and seven. That's a

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Speaker 1: long I mean that's early days. Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: And like when people talk about lane dating now and

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Speaker 2: like it was not apps back then. We had to

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Speaker 2: of the day after work and do that whole thing. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we met on e harmony and he was about forty

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Speaker 2: I'm from Honoy and he was going to school there,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, you know, he's interesting, I'd like

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Speaker 2: first date, I was like, Okay, I think this, wow, Wow.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. I mean people say that like oh, I

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Speaker 1: like amazing when it is actually And I also I

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Speaker 1: had those e Harmony ads. I loved them. They were

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Speaker 1: always so like, you know, I have this joke with

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Speaker 1: missed the era of that completely, and not that I,

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Speaker 1: what it was actually like. And I always say to

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Speaker 1: Their ads got me yes.

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Speaker 2: And nowadays everyone's talking about like swiping, and I have

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Speaker 2: no idea what that's like because we have to feel

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Speaker 2: it like questionnaires on it. Right, it's like old school

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Speaker 1: Depth, right, it can't be like one word answers, no

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Speaker 1: in depth. It's funny because I actually, when I think

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Speaker 1: just you know, picture and three words and like see,

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Speaker 1: it's like seeing someone across the room. So either your

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Speaker 1: like marriage minded or you're you can still get married.

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Speaker 1: We just spot someone across the room, but it's just

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Speaker 2: Meeting, so different.

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Speaker 1: Do you have something that you consider your beat?

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Speaker 2: I well, I've really been focused for many years now

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Speaker 2: writing about abortion and life issues and stuff, and definitely

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Speaker 2: family issues, women's issues from a conservative perspective of course, right,

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Speaker 2: those for sure are big things that I like to discuss.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you find that you get a lot of

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Speaker 1: pushback for stuff like that? I feel like women's issues are,

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Speaker 1: you know, some of some of the toughest things to

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Speaker 1: write about, because women get kind of crazy about anybody

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I had a magazine future at Examiner

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Speaker 2: recently where we talk about the girl boss and the

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Speaker 2: trad wife.

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Speaker 1: I'd read that that was really good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so much because I kind of feel like we're

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Speaker 2: And then there's like this online influencer crowd that's all

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Speaker 2: I feel like people are really like, especially leftists, if

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Speaker 2: like providing for her children and you know, being a

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Speaker 1: Right, And I feel like there's nobody really fits into

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Speaker 1: First of all, the online trad wife requires an amount

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Speaker 1: of effort that I just don't even understand. And that's

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Speaker 1: even before you know, you set up all your tripods

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Speaker 1: But you know, and I don't think the girl boss

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Speaker 1: thing is right either. I mean it certainly doesn't describe me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's exactly why I wanted to write about it,

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Speaker 2: because I feel the push from the right a lot now,

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Speaker 2: because like you said, I'm not a trad wife, I'm

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Speaker 2: not a girl boss. But it's not like I'm failing

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Speaker 1: And there's also all this messaging to conservative men like

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Speaker 1: Tates of the world are like, don't get married marriages

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Speaker 2: It's definitely. Yeah, there's a lot of so much of

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Speaker 2: of it is internet subculture identities and everything. But like

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Speaker 2: someone on the left would be like, oh, you need

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Speaker 1: No thanks.

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Speaker 2: I would be like, well, you shouldn't be doing you know,

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Speaker 2: you shouldn't be talking or writing podcasts and stuff. No,

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Speaker 2: but that is your role and you're great at it,

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Speaker 2: and that doesn't mean you're abandoning anything else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like my kids see me enough. You know,

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Speaker 1: what would you have done if this hadn't worked out?

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Speaker 2: I actually, when I was working full time while my

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Speaker 2: husband was in school, I was a paralegal and I really,

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Speaker 2: something on my own, not a part of a group.

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Speaker 2: I'm not against group work, but I would prefer doing

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Speaker 2: if I would go back to school and do some

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Speaker 2: While my husband was in school.

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Speaker 1: I was also a paralegal, and I hated the detail,

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Speaker 1: the details of it. It actually drove me bananas. Like

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure you've had days like this where you

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Speaker 1: Give us a five year out prediction, and it could

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Speaker 1: For sure, that's really I mean, I use touch grass

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Speaker 1: and yeah, it'll be good. I have loved this conversation, Kimberly.

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Speaker 2: You feel freer in terms of discussing things with people,

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Speaker 1: don't think basks work, so yeah, yeah, yeah, you live

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Speaker 1: your life and be yourself is such a powerful message

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Speaker 1: still today despite it all. You know, the idea that

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Speaker 1: you if you can't say what you actually think, you're

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Speaker 1: not free, and I think it's pointless, and.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, especially conservatives, we're kind of told we

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Speaker 2: have to be quiet, you know, in the world where

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Speaker 2: that's dominated by a legacy media that's on the left

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Speaker 2: and stuff. Yeah, and it's okay. If people don't like

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Speaker 2: what you say, fine, that's the worst thing that's going

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Speaker 2: to happen.

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Speaker 1: You're okay.

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Speaker 2: It's fine if people don't like you. It really is okay.

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Speaker 1: It's totally fine. You're going to be okay to use

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Speaker 1: Kimberly Ross read her at the Watchington Examiner and at

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Speaker 1: the Magnolia Tribune. Thank you so much, Kimberly, Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for having me