WEBVTT - Chapter One: Phil Spector and Lenny Bruce 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:11.720 Double Elvis. Technically, CarMax is a virtual reality company. You 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:15.840 can shop the lot virtually online, or you can see 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:19.320 the cars in reality on the lot, or you could 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:21.919 have the best of both worlds. We give you the 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:25.360 freedom to shop or buy however you need. Like we said, 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:30.160 virtual reality don't come for us tech people. It's car 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:39.479 buying reimagined Carmacks. What were you doing thirty days ago? 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:42.159 What did you eat? What did you listen to? Did 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:44.160 you sing in the shower? Did you call your mom? 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.360 Did you laugh? Did you cry? Do you even remember 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:49.720 what day it was thirty days ago? Of course not, 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.240 because thirty days is a long time, which is why 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:54.520 CarMax gives you thirty long days to make sure you 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:56.440 love your car. And if you don't love it, you 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:58.880 can return it and get your money back the Carmacks 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:04.720 thirty day money back warranty. It's car buying reimagined carmacksmit 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:09.319 see carmacks dot com for details. I'm Katherine Townsend, host 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:13.679 of the true crime podcast Helen Gone. On October two 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:17.920 thousand fifteen, the Little Rock Police Department searched an abandoned 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:21.880 car in a small residential part. The car belonged to 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:26.279 eighteen year old Ebbie Stepic. Ebbie had vanished without a trace. 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.520 I'm back in Arkansas trying to find out what really 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:34.200 happened to Ebbie Stepa. Listen to Helen Gone on the 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:38.120 I Heart Radio app on Apple Podcasts or wherever you 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:41.160 get your podcasts. Blood on the Tracks is a production 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:45.720 of I Heart Radio and Double Elvis. Phil Spector was 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.840 a musical genius, one of the most successful record producers 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:51.520 of all time. He's now sitting behind bars serving a 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:55.080 nineteen years to life sentence for murder. This is his 0:01:55.160 --> 0:02:08.880 story told by his so called friends. Is a special 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.840 agent Paul Ramone with the Federal Bureau of Investigation work 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.360 in case number double O four Dash ten Dash seven 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.480 four one nine case subject of Specter Philip Harvey. This 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.760 information pertains to the period and in August third, sixty 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:25.800 six interview subject as Bruce Lenny Interview number one Dash 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.760 thirty four DAST six five six Dash six six seven 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:43.480 Spirit Confessional Recall number two Day jan two thousand three. 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:53.440 People law believe is good, bad, good, and evil. Maybe 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:58.360 he was. I don't know this music evil, free speech, evil, 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.560 rock and roll, bulls music. All the First Amendment is 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:06.800 free to speech, the right to say it. Whatever it 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.000 is you want to say, you're the right to say it. 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.960 But they can't police the bat out of somebody bad, 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.680 and they can't beat it out of either, because there 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:18.640 is no beating. To them all, there is this blood 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:58.360 all the tracks. Chapter one, Phil Specter and Lenny Bruce. Look. 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.880 Other people thought I was really wild, just really far 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.640 out there. Like they thought that maybe I'd lost my mind, 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:07.400 and maybe I had. I'm not talking about the so 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:10.880 called obscenities and my act on stage. It wasn't even 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:14.320 an act, Okay, I'm talking about later. I'm talking about 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.280 after I've been arrested for the last time and people 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.960 were bored with me. They moved on. I moved on 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.040 to I moved into that house up in the hills, 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.600 one off Hollywood Boulevard, just shot up the strip from 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.520 Phil's place. People would visit and take one look at 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:33.800 my study and it was a mess. And I could 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:37.520 see that, Okay, I'd give him that it was a mess. 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.440 It made sense in my mind, it made sense outside 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.360 of my mind, made sense on paper. But to them, 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.480 they saw something far out. There were hundreds of pieces 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.600 of legal paper, you know, that yellow line stuff all 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:50.839 over the floor. I wrote a word in the middle 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:54.039 of each piece, just one word, a phrase, and then 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:56.200 I'd ripped the page out toss it on the floor. 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:58.640 I read another word on the next one, another phrase, 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.560 just one one of the straight thoughts, and then I 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:03.360 wropped a piece of paper up and tossed it on 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:08.039 the floor with the others. Phil brought Mike Spencer up 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:10.040 to the house. Mike was one of his piano guys, 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:11.960 might get some friends with him. Phil was always bringing 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:13.880 people by the house and say hello, Hey, come on, 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.560 come meet Lenny. That's sort of thing, ladies and gentlemen. 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.440 Mike stood in my study just staring at the hundreds 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.760 of pieces of paper on the floor. He couldn't believe 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:28.000 that this was how a comedian worked. What can I say? Man? 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:29.600 At that point, it was the only way that made 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.440 sense to me. My life was all fucked. The judge 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:34.600 finally came down on me with that narcotics thing, that 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:38.840 junkie rat two hundred and sixty bucks one of year 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.839 suspended sentence, a couple of years of probation that was 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.160 after everything else, blue shirts, and put me in handcuffs 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:47.680 from like six times during the first half of the sixties. 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.400 They arrested me in San Francisco for saying cox sucker 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:54.720 of all things. They arrested me in Los Angeles for 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:58.359 saying schmuck. They squeezed me in Philadelphia, and that was 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.040 for the junk I think city, Brother in love you 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.760 dig And then they arrested me in Chicago, New York City. 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.400 Nightclubs all over the country put me on a blacklist, 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:08.760 A list of one brother. Let me tell you that 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.280 I got yank from the stage of a burlesque club 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:16.680 of all places, because I was too dirty. And they 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.600 wouldn't even let me in the United Kingdom anymore or Australia. 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:23.320 I wouldn't want to corrupt to kangaroo. So what can 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.080 I say, man? I was drained physically emotionally. I was 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:28.839 bankrupt too, and I couldn't keep from sticking that goddamn 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.920 needle in my arm anymore. Phil was the only one 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:35.520 who believed to me. Phil New destitute, Phil new loneliness, 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:38.240 Phil Specter knew the face of a man who had 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.480 been forsaken by his peers, by the beloved old guard establishment. 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.720 I was penniless, addicted, I guess Phil so kindred spirit 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.600 in me a brother. He took me to his place. 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.479 I'm not Collina driving Beverly Hills. Jesus Christ, it was 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.120 a fucking mansion. He let me use his office down 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.000 on the strip. Through some money at me when I 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.159 needed it. I feel even one on the MERV Griffith 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.599 Show defended me in front of another film. Phil Foster, 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:04.960 That old schmuck. Foster was this standoffice old prick who 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.599 just finished telling MERV that he hated new music, the 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.080 kind of music Phil was making. And then they bring 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.800 Phil up from the wings and bush Foster with him. 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.240 Fills there with his newsboy cap, holding on for dear 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.720 life on top of his bushy hair, and his sideburns 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:19.360 had been taken on a life of their own, taken 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.440 over half his face. MURV introduces Phil as the king 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:24.320 of rock and roll records, which he knew he was, 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:27.480 and Foster can't see it because he's somewhat Sinatra crony. 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.120 Foster starts beating on Phil the way those old girl 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.200 comics do. It's all these pricks know what to do. 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.240 It's like the verbal equivalent of sitting on top of 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:38.160 someone's face. It's fucking rope man. It's lame. I record 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:42.920 Lenny Bruce. Phil proclaimed right there on national television, and 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.880 I was a mess man. Persona on Grata America knew it, 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:49.520 and sure ship old Mr Griffin knew it too. Phil 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:55.040 Specter didn't give one fuck that song by the Crystals 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.760 that Phil wrote. He's a rebel, yeah, and I could 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:01.280 have been written about me. I was else rebble and 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:31.680 I yelled that rebble yelled louder than Phil Specter. Whatever dare. Okay, 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.520 Bill Specter was not hit. His reputation preceded. I'm sure 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.360 the tycoon of teen on that nonsense. He said he 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:41.000 had his finger on the pulse of young America, that 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.800 he turned something disposable into art. I didn't know anything 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.720 about that. That wasn't my world. Talked to me about Cannonball, 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.920 Adderlie or Bill Evans, and I'm picking up when you're 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.040 thrown down. Talk to me about Darlene Love and the 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:55.000 Teddy Bears, and you've lost me. So when they say 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.080 he had his finger on the pulse, I only ever 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.240 saw his fingers wrapped around cold, hard cash. He took 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.600 the pulse of money pretty damn well. He knew what 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.400 it felt like to touch what it smelled like you 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:07.960 could smell the residue of Chris Bills and his Caddyman. 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.000 It was all over him like an after shave. Get 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:12.400 the kind of money that allowed him to catch a 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.080 flight from l A to San Francisco last minute on 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.480 a Sunday evening. You see a midnight show by yours. Truly, 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.400 he was just hanging around one Sunday afternoon and felt 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:23.360 like getting out of the house. Threw down his bucks. 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:26.000 United flight, this, United flight that, and he was at 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:27.960 the Basin Street West when I took the stage at 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:37.880 twelve sharp. Jesus, can you imagine that kind of cash? 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:40.640 I was up to my eyeballs and dead at that point. 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:44.240 I'd never lived comfortably again, so I thought I was, 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.600 let's see maybe four grand in the hole at that 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:49.600 point in the Basin Street West, you should have seen 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.960 this place. Phil was there with some DJs from Los Angeles, 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.280 and then they were a handful of other people. A 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.840 handful is generous man midnight on a Sunday. It wasn't 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:01.000 like it used to be. I didn't even have enough 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.679 cash to buy a pack of smokes that alone, goddamn fix. 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:06.880 I felt like a schmuck. I couldn't let anyone know. 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:10.240 I felt like a shark. So here comes Phil smells 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.880 like dollar bills, crisp on sure, but crumpled ones to 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.280 the ones you find at the bottom of your pockets, 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.559 and you levies when you're doing laundry, bawled up, forgotten about. 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:20.640 He wants me to come down to l A spend 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:22.960 some time with him. He wants to produce some of 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.480 my shows. He's got an idea for a residence at 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:27.880 the found The Theater. He wants to release my next 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:31.640 live album. Can I say he came on strong? And 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.080 what did I known't even enough not to say no, 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.120 I'm playing to a handful of sorry, asked Fox at 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.559 the Basin Street West, one of the only gigs I 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.079 could find at the time. I was broke. I was down, 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.040 I was out. Here's this guy, He's basically rolling up 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.640 the red carpet. He may have had the means, but 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.720 he certainly was not hip. I mean, he may have 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:52.920 talked the talk, he may have worn the shades about 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.439 the collar of his pea coat and dangled the occasional 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.679 cigaretta from his lips, but the man was the squarest 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.560 of the squares. He didn't walk nor walk, but he 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:04.840 liked how I walked the walg Phil looked at me 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:08.000 and saw a guy with a dirty mom, the guy 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.040 who said what he wanted, a guy who didn't give 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:13.480 a fuck. He saw a drug addict. He saw a 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:16.040 drug addict. Within a rest record longer than the personnel 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.080 sheet for one of his Wall of Sound sessions, he 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.679 was close to being a has been himself. Maybe he 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.040 saw a kindred spirit in me, a couple of dried up, 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:27.840 tossed out losers. He told me about how he had 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:29.920 made the biggest songs in the world for acts simply 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.120 turned the backs on him, and about the groups that 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.280 he hit big with and then struggled to hit big 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.680 with again, those Ronnetts and Righteous Brothers again not my 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.120 bag man. And Phil told me that he was the 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.839 true artist, the true architect, the one who allowed everyone 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.440 else a few minutes of infamy on the dial and 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:50.520 then it just all slipped from his hands. And you 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.240 know what, I let him see whatever he wanted to see. 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:55.240 Phil had the cash, and he wanted to give the 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.080 cash to me, and that's all that mattered. He could 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.600 put me on whatever pedestal he wanted. Sure, I hung 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.120 out with him in l A, spent a lot of 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.800 time at that old Wolworth mansion. Has sat down in 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:06.559 the back of that caddy with him while we cruised 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:08.440 down Labraa so he could grab a couple of dogs 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:11.199 from pinks. I always gave a ship for that. It's 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.320 all lips and assholes, Phil, I told him, made him laugh, 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.800 and maybe that's what he needed me. I needed bread. 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.400 I needed bread to buy my daughter a birthday present. 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.000 Needed money for a pack of smokes, needed money for 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.400 other things that I didn't tell Phil about. He was 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:28.760 on a need and no basis, as was I. I 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:32.880 suppose I went to Danny Davis for the cash. Phil's 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.720 business manager. Phil told him to give me whatever I needed, 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:39.160 no questions asked. One time I overheard Danny talking on 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:41.320 the phone about how I was just a phase for Phil. 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.080 The Phil went through people like he went through hit records. 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.240 So I decided to double down, squeeze as much juice 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.640 as I could get, lending my ear when Phil was 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.600 looking for one to bend. Look. I knew about his past, 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:54.760 I knew about the ship. He had a dirty asthma's 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:56.800 allergy to sunlight. He was a fat kid. It was 0:12:56.880 --> 0:13:01.000 teased relentlessly. He never shook that thing with his father either. 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.160 Phil told everyone that this old man had a heart attack, 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.040 just some normal one of the mill cover story. But 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:13.040 he told me the real story. He told me all 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.920 the real stories. I'm telling you. The guy thought he 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:17.800 was talking to himself, and he was talking to me. 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.120 I can't explain it. He told me the thing that 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:23.320 this old man was April. It was a big deal 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:25.560 that it was April. For some reason, that fact really 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:29.160 stuck in his brain for some time. Around then, he 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.520 made some passing reference to debts, the organized crime, distress, 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.760 and depression. That was the fuzzy part the party was 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.199 clear about. It was the part where his old man 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.079 parked his car on the curve of Myrtle Avenue in Brooklyn, 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.400 took a two and put one end in the exhaust 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:45.960 p put the other end in the front window, rolled 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.320 the window uptight, and turned the car on. What a 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.440 way to go? All right? I means ship. I don't 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.360 know what do I know about taking it along full 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:55.920 of carbon monoxide? It seems like a hell of a 0:13:55.920 --> 0:14:02.680 way to go. We'll be right back after this word 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:08.240 word were what were you doing? Thirty days ago? What 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.600 did you eat? What did you listen to? Did you 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:12.880 sing in the shower? Did you call your mom? Did 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.800 you laugh? Did you cry? Do you even remember what 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.559 day it was thirty days ago? Of course not, because 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.000 thirty days is a long time, which is why CarMax 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:23.080 gives you thirty long days to make sure you love 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:24.920 your car. And if you don't love it, you can 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.480 return it and get your money back the Carmacks thirty 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:33.280 day money Back Guarantee. It's car buying reimagined carmacksmit. See 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:38.800 carmacks dot com for details. Technically, CarMax is a virtual 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:43.760 reality company. You can shop the lot virtually online, or 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.800 you can see the cars in reality on the lot, 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.880 or you could have the best of both worlds. We 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.000 give you the freedom to shop or buy however you need. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:57.680 Like we said, virtual reality don't come for us tech people. 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:07.880 It's car buying reimagined Carmacks. Hi. I'm Katie Lows. You 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.800 might also know me as Quinn Perkins from Scandal or 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.800 Rachel from Inventing Anna. I'm also a mother to my 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.920 son Albi and my daughter Vera. I wanted to create 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.920 a space for open and honest conversations about all things parted, 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.520 and I thought a podcast was the best way to 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.000 do just that. Check out season five of my podcast, 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:34.560 Katie's Crib. It is super raw, vulnerable, and hilarious. Katie's 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:39.120 Crib in no way shape form is judgmental or telling 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:42.000 you exactly how to parent or exactly how you should be. 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.560 I think it really just makes you feel less alone 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.720 and gives you a community. We're going deep with guests 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:52.560 like inventing Anna's Anna club Ski, how to Get Away 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:56.680 with Murders Asian Naomi King, and yes, sometimes my fun 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.280 Albi when he burst into my studio. So that's cool. 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.920 Listen to Hatis Cram every Thursday on the I Heart 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:05.320 Radio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.400 One night, Bill wouldn't let me leave his car. I'm 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:17.200 talking about that caddy a limo, right. The thing was 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.440 a beast ship. A couple of guys like us could 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.160 have lived in that thing for a few days. And 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.920 this night I really thought that was gonna happen, that 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.240 we live in the thing. He just didn't want me 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.320 to leave him, not that, not yet. It was so 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.800 late and the sun was almost up again. It was 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:33.560 late it was early. What was the difference? Phil and 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:35.120 I were both living the kind of lives that didn't 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:36.920 pay attention to the day of the week, let alone 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.120 what hour it was. He sat in the back of 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.520 that caddy together, one across from the other. He just 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.000 kept talking to me. I would make a movement, motioned 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.400 towards the door. He put a hand up, asked me 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.720 another question and asked me where I was going? Tell 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.200 me another story? Hey, Lenny, did I tell you about 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.800 the time? Give me a reason to stay the caddie 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.520 i'le We sat talked until we ran out of things 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.200 to talk about. When he had nothing else to talk about, 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.520 we listened to the engine harming per He didn't want 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:06.800 to go back to his place all alone. The guy 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:08.879 was the biggest pot producer on the planet did but 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.800 he was always alone. Charles Foster came going back to 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:16.040 Xantitude for another lonely night. We had just driven back 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:20.000 from Cancers out on Fairfax Joint Coacher scene and be 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:23.119 seen the whole scene, the whole night. You are the 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.000 knock worst, the knock worst that cancers have. You had 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.440 it out of sight. It was late, so late, nighthawks 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.119 at the Diaming League. Probably two am. Doesn't matter how 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.240 late it gets in l A. The lights are always 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.879 on the neon hums above the storefront. Sounds like steak 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.880 sizzling on the grill. And it's bright too, manh It's 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.640 sometimes l A at night. It feels more alive than 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.760 it does during the day. Is that big electric hum 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:51.760 before nineteen North Fairfax Cantors, Fairfax open twenty four hours 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:56.800 Bakery Delicatessen. You can tell what time it was by 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.560 the crowd of cancers. You didn't need to watch. If 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:01.840 the joint was full of a bunch of octogenarians taking 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.720 long slopes of suit, it was midmorning. The place was 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:06.760 jumping with a bunch of wire kids, kicking out from 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:08.760 the last party and looking for the next one. It 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:12.480 was two am. Phil took me with him to meet 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:15.280 with Frank Sappa that night. Phil, one of the company, 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:17.840 wanted a familiar face with him in case Frank bored 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.520 him to tears. Of course, he brought one of his 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:23.280 bodyguards with The two might have a big red. Phil 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.320 thought he was the most important person in the world, 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.480 and the bodyguard helps sell that image. Was the ultimate 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:32.080 hustle Frank was doing a little hustling himself. I'm sure 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.199 the big labels were a bit skeptical of him. Everyone 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:37.640 was skeptical of whom in his band. The Mother's are invention, 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.520 long hairs, beards, looked like a bunch of acts murderers, 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.800 he did. Frank needed a label to release his first record. 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:47.199 He thought, maybe Phil get involved, put it out on 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.200 his Phillies label. I think Frank saw fellow outcast, a 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.000 fellow member of the French Frank thought he had found 0:18:53.000 --> 0:19:04.160 his meal ticket. Sure, and of course there was Frank's 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.719 idea of Fringe, and then there was Phil's idea of Fringe, 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.720 and the two were light years apart. Frank brought this 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:13.240 cat with him, Danny Bruce. Danny Bruce, no ship, I said, 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:15.200 are you shooting me? Who the fuck is this guy? 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:17.480 He had to be working with me, right, am I? Right, 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.399 Danny fucking Bruce. I looked this guy straight in his 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:22.240 eyes and I said, are you working with me? Man? 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:24.800 I swear I thought it was some cosmic joke, some 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.600 cosmic two am joke on Junkie Jones and for something 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.720 sharp and hot at the Kosher Delhi on Fairfax, And 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:35.000 Denny Bruce said no, man, I'm Danny Bruce, no relation, 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:39.679 no ship. Frank starts talking about how he changed his 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:42.840 name as a tribute to me, so Danny corrects him. 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:45.000 The name has nothing to do with me. His room 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:47.200 name was Leonard Schneider, and he needs something a little 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:49.440 less jew and a little more going for show biz. 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.679 I get that, me and Frank who got into it. 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.560 He looked at me and saw a kindred spirit. Frank 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:58.600 thought I was some besiah, no joke. All Frank wonder 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:02.080 was the question authority against authority, And here he had 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:04.560 the guy who took that anti authority chat all the 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:08.600 wags of the bitter end. I couldn't have cared less Jack, Jack, Frank, 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:10.560 whatever the fucking name is. I just needed to get 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:12.960 through the social engagement so that I could feel okay. 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:14.600 But I hit and Phil up for some more cash, 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.239 which of course meant more junk. And then we were 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:21.080 back home, the Caddy limo rolling up to my place 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:23.800 out on West Hollywood Boulevard, way up there in the 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:27.239 weeds of Tinseltown. I just needed to fix That's all 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:29.760 I could think about. It's all I thought about all night. 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:33.200 They filled any idea. He didn't care. He wouldn't know 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:35.040 a needle if it jumped from the ground and poked 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:37.960 him in their ass. I kept my secrets pretty close 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:41.720 to the vest. Phil's secrets weren't kept at all, at 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.760 least not around me. They tumbled out, they spewed forth, 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:47.360 they were blurted. There was no embargo on the kinds 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:49.440 of things that came out of his mouth. He used 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.520 the stories to keep me hanging around after he doled 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:54.320 out the money, like to think about his old man. 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:00.280 And now in the car outside my place, way out 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:02.760 in the Willie Wags of Hollywood Boulevard, he was telling 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:05.280 me more secrets, secrets that would buy him a few 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:07.240 more minutes with me, a few more minutes before he 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:11.400 had to be alone again. He was telling me about 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:13.000 the time he got pissed on by a couple of 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:15.720 kids have followed him into a bathroom after he just 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:18.680 played a show, The Teddy Bears, that's what they were called, 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:20.840 which I mean, in all fairness, sounds like the name 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:22.399 of a band that wants to get piste on in 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:25.440 a men's bathroom, if you know what I'm saying. Here's 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:28.119 Phil and his flat top and embroidered sweater. He's the 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:30.960 manifestation of a mark a square. And this is back 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:32.960 when he couldn't hide be in the square. It's so 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:35.120 lay fifties. I think he said it was in New York, 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:38.040 but it doesn't matter. These kids he feel performed. And 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:39.720 then when he heads into the men's room there on 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:41.919 his tail, he has no clue. A couple of them 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:44.160 whole fill down on the floor. Another one keeps watching 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:46.320 at the door, and another one on zips his khakis 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:49.800 and just pisces all over him. Humiliates. Phil is like 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.600 twenty years old, breaking into show biss and he's being 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.480 held down against the cold, wet tile of a nondescript 0:21:55.560 --> 0:22:01.320 men's room while pisces raining down on him. Maybe that's 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:04.080 why I felt a connection with me. He was humiliated 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:06.399 on the floor of the bathroom by some holier than that. 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.840 Thus I was humiliated on the stage by some holier 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:14.200