1 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: Double Elvis. Technically, CarMax is a virtual reality company. You 2 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: can shop the lot virtually online, or you can see 3 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: the cars in reality on the lot, or you could 4 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: have the best of both worlds. We give you the 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: freedom to shop or buy however you need. Like we said, 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: virtual reality don't come for us tech people. It's car 7 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: buying reimagined Carmacks. What were you doing thirty days ago? 8 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: What did you eat? What did you listen to? Did 9 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: you sing in the shower? Did you call your mom? 10 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: Did you laugh? Did you cry? Do you even remember 11 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: what day it was thirty days ago? Of course not, 12 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: because thirty days is a long time, which is why 13 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: CarMax gives you thirty long days to make sure you 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: love your car. And if you don't love it, you 15 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: can return it and get your money back the Carmacks 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: thirty day money back warranty. It's car buying reimagined carmacksmit 17 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: see carmacks dot com for details. I'm Katherine Townsend, host 18 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: of the true crime podcast Helen Gone. On October two 19 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: thousand fifteen, the Little Rock Police Department searched an abandoned 20 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: car in a small residential part. The car belonged to 21 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,279 Speaker 1: eighteen year old Ebbie Stepic. Ebbie had vanished without a trace. 22 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: I'm back in Arkansas trying to find out what really 23 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: happened to Ebbie Stepa. Listen to Helen Gone on the 24 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app on Apple Podcasts or wherever you 25 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Blood on the Tracks is a production 26 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio and Double Elvis. Phil Spector was 27 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: a musical genius, one of the most successful record producers 28 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: of all time. He's now sitting behind bars serving a 29 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: nineteen years to life sentence for murder. This is his 30 00:01:55,160 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: story told by his so called friends. Is a special 31 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: agent Paul Ramone with the Federal Bureau of Investigation work 32 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: in case number double O four Dash ten Dash seven 33 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: four one nine case subject of Specter Philip Harvey. This 34 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: information pertains to the period and in August third, sixty 35 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: six interview subject as Bruce Lenny Interview number one Dash 36 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: thirty four DAST six five six Dash six six seven 37 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: Spirit Confessional Recall number two Day jan two thousand three. 38 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: People law believe is good, bad, good, and evil. Maybe 39 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: he was. I don't know this music evil, free speech, evil, 40 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: rock and roll, bulls music. All the First Amendment is 41 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: free to speech, the right to say it. Whatever it 42 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: is you want to say, you're the right to say it. 43 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: But they can't police the bat out of somebody bad, 44 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: and they can't beat it out of either, because there 45 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: is no beating. To them all, there is this blood 46 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: all the tracks. Chapter one, Phil Specter and Lenny Bruce. Look. 47 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: Other people thought I was really wild, just really far 48 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: out there. Like they thought that maybe I'd lost my mind, 49 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: and maybe I had. I'm not talking about the so 50 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: called obscenities and my act on stage. It wasn't even 51 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: an act, Okay, I'm talking about later. I'm talking about 52 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: after I've been arrested for the last time and people 53 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: were bored with me. They moved on. I moved on 54 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: to I moved into that house up in the hills, 55 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: one off Hollywood Boulevard, just shot up the strip from 56 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: Phil's place. People would visit and take one look at 57 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: my study and it was a mess. And I could 58 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: see that, Okay, I'd give him that it was a mess. 59 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: It made sense in my mind, it made sense outside 60 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: of my mind, made sense on paper. But to them, 61 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: they saw something far out. There were hundreds of pieces 62 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: of legal paper, you know, that yellow line stuff all 63 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: over the floor. I wrote a word in the middle 64 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: of each piece, just one word, a phrase, and then 65 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: I'd ripped the page out toss it on the floor. 66 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: I read another word on the next one, another phrase, 67 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: just one one of the straight thoughts, and then I 68 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: wropped a piece of paper up and tossed it on 69 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: the floor with the others. Phil brought Mike Spencer up 70 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: to the house. Mike was one of his piano guys, 71 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: might get some friends with him. Phil was always bringing 72 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: people by the house and say hello, Hey, come on, 73 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: come meet Lenny. That's sort of thing, ladies and gentlemen. 74 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: Mike stood in my study just staring at the hundreds 75 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: of pieces of paper on the floor. He couldn't believe 76 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: that this was how a comedian worked. What can I say? Man? 77 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: At that point, it was the only way that made 78 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: sense to me. My life was all fucked. The judge 79 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: finally came down on me with that narcotics thing, that 80 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: junkie rat two hundred and sixty bucks one of year 81 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: suspended sentence, a couple of years of probation that was 82 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: after everything else, blue shirts, and put me in handcuffs 83 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: from like six times during the first half of the sixties. 84 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: They arrested me in San Francisco for saying cox sucker 85 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: of all things. They arrested me in Los Angeles for 86 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 1: saying schmuck. They squeezed me in Philadelphia, and that was 87 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: for the junk I think city, Brother in love you 88 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: dig And then they arrested me in Chicago, New York City. 89 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: Nightclubs all over the country put me on a blacklist, 90 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: A list of one brother. Let me tell you that 91 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: I got yank from the stage of a burlesque club 92 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: of all places, because I was too dirty. And they 93 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't even let me in the United Kingdom anymore or Australia. 94 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to corrupt to kangaroo. So what can 95 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: I say, man? I was drained physically emotionally. I was 96 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: bankrupt too, and I couldn't keep from sticking that goddamn 97 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: needle in my arm anymore. Phil was the only one 98 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: who believed to me. Phil New destitute, Phil new loneliness, 99 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: Phil Specter knew the face of a man who had 100 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: been forsaken by his peers, by the beloved old guard establishment. 101 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: I was penniless, addicted, I guess Phil so kindred spirit 102 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: in me a brother. He took me to his place. 103 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: I'm not Collina driving Beverly Hills. Jesus Christ, it was 104 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: a fucking mansion. He let me use his office down 105 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: on the strip. Through some money at me when I 106 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: needed it. I feel even one on the MERV Griffith 107 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: Show defended me in front of another film. Phil Foster, 108 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: That old schmuck. Foster was this standoffice old prick who 109 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: just finished telling MERV that he hated new music, the 110 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: kind of music Phil was making. And then they bring 111 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: Phil up from the wings and bush Foster with him. 112 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: Fills there with his newsboy cap, holding on for dear 113 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: life on top of his bushy hair, and his sideburns 114 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: had been taken on a life of their own, taken 115 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: over half his face. MURV introduces Phil as the king 116 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: of rock and roll records, which he knew he was, 117 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: and Foster can't see it because he's somewhat Sinatra crony. 118 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: Foster starts beating on Phil the way those old girl 119 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: comics do. It's all these pricks know what to do. 120 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: It's like the verbal equivalent of sitting on top of 121 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: someone's face. It's fucking rope man. It's lame. I record 122 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: Lenny Bruce. Phil proclaimed right there on national television, and 123 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: I was a mess man. Persona on Grata America knew it, 124 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: and sure ship old Mr Griffin knew it too. Phil 125 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: Specter didn't give one fuck that song by the Crystals 126 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: that Phil wrote. He's a rebel, yeah, and I could 127 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: have been written about me. I was else rebble and 128 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: I yelled that rebble yelled louder than Phil Specter. Whatever dare. Okay, 129 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: Bill Specter was not hit. His reputation preceded. I'm sure 130 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: the tycoon of teen on that nonsense. He said he 131 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: had his finger on the pulse of young America, that 132 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: he turned something disposable into art. I didn't know anything 133 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: about that. That wasn't my world. Talked to me about Cannonball, 134 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: Adderlie or Bill Evans, and I'm picking up when you're 135 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: thrown down. Talk to me about Darlene Love and the 136 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: Teddy Bears, and you've lost me. So when they say 137 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: he had his finger on the pulse, I only ever 138 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: saw his fingers wrapped around cold, hard cash. He took 139 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: the pulse of money pretty damn well. He knew what 140 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: it felt like to touch what it smelled like you 141 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: could smell the residue of Chris Bills and his Caddyman. 142 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: It was all over him like an after shave. Get 143 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: the kind of money that allowed him to catch a 144 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: flight from l A to San Francisco last minute on 145 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: a Sunday evening. You see a midnight show by yours. Truly, 146 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: he was just hanging around one Sunday afternoon and felt 147 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: like getting out of the house. Threw down his bucks. 148 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: United flight, this, United flight that, and he was at 149 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: the Basin Street West when I took the stage at 150 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: twelve sharp. Jesus, can you imagine that kind of cash? 151 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: I was up to my eyeballs and dead at that point. 152 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: I'd never lived comfortably again, so I thought I was, 153 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: let's see maybe four grand in the hole at that 154 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: point in the Basin Street West, you should have seen 155 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: this place. Phil was there with some DJs from Los Angeles, 156 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: and then they were a handful of other people. A 157 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: handful is generous man midnight on a Sunday. It wasn't 158 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: like it used to be. I didn't even have enough 159 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: cash to buy a pack of smokes that alone, goddamn fix. 160 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: I felt like a schmuck. I couldn't let anyone know. 161 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: I felt like a shark. So here comes Phil smells 162 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: like dollar bills, crisp on sure, but crumpled ones to 163 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: the ones you find at the bottom of your pockets, 164 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: and you levies when you're doing laundry, bawled up, forgotten about. 165 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: He wants me to come down to l A spend 166 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: some time with him. He wants to produce some of 167 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: my shows. He's got an idea for a residence at 168 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: the found The Theater. He wants to release my next 169 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: live album. Can I say he came on strong? And 170 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: what did I known't even enough not to say no, 171 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm playing to a handful of sorry, asked Fox at 172 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: the Basin Street West, one of the only gigs I 173 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: could find at the time. I was broke. I was down, 174 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: I was out. Here's this guy, He's basically rolling up 175 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: the red carpet. He may have had the means, but 176 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: he certainly was not hip. I mean, he may have 177 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: talked the talk, he may have worn the shades about 178 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: the collar of his pea coat and dangled the occasional 179 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: cigaretta from his lips, but the man was the squarest 180 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: of the squares. He didn't walk nor walk, but he 181 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: liked how I walked the walg Phil looked at me 182 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: and saw a guy with a dirty mom, the guy 183 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: who said what he wanted, a guy who didn't give 184 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: a fuck. He saw a drug addict. He saw a 185 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: drug addict. Within a rest record longer than the personnel 186 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: sheet for one of his Wall of Sound sessions, he 187 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: was close to being a has been himself. Maybe he 188 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: saw a kindred spirit in me, a couple of dried up, 189 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: tossed out losers. He told me about how he had 190 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: made the biggest songs in the world for acts simply 191 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: turned the backs on him, and about the groups that 192 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: he hit big with and then struggled to hit big 193 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: with again, those Ronnetts and Righteous Brothers again not my 194 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: bag man. And Phil told me that he was the 195 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 1: true artist, the true architect, the one who allowed everyone 196 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: else a few minutes of infamy on the dial and 197 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: then it just all slipped from his hands. And you 198 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: know what, I let him see whatever he wanted to see. 199 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: Phil had the cash, and he wanted to give the 200 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: cash to me, and that's all that mattered. He could 201 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: put me on whatever pedestal he wanted. Sure, I hung 202 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: out with him in l A, spent a lot of 203 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: time at that old Wolworth mansion. Has sat down in 204 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: the back of that caddy with him while we cruised 205 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: down Labraa so he could grab a couple of dogs 206 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: from pinks. I always gave a ship for that. It's 207 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: all lips and assholes, Phil, I told him, made him laugh, 208 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: and maybe that's what he needed me. I needed bread. 209 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: I needed bread to buy my daughter a birthday present. 210 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: Needed money for a pack of smokes, needed money for 211 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: other things that I didn't tell Phil about. He was 212 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: on a need and no basis, as was I. I 213 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: suppose I went to Danny Davis for the cash. Phil's 214 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: business manager. Phil told him to give me whatever I needed, 215 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: no questions asked. One time I overheard Danny talking on 216 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: the phone about how I was just a phase for Phil. 217 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: The Phil went through people like he went through hit records. 218 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: So I decided to double down, squeeze as much juice 219 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: as I could get, lending my ear when Phil was 220 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: looking for one to bend. Look. I knew about his past, 221 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: I knew about the ship. He had a dirty asthma's 222 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: allergy to sunlight. He was a fat kid. It was 223 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: teased relentlessly. He never shook that thing with his father either. 224 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: Phil told everyone that this old man had a heart attack, 225 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: just some normal one of the mill cover story. But 226 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: he told me the real story. He told me all 227 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: the real stories. I'm telling you. The guy thought he 228 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: was talking to himself, and he was talking to me. 229 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: I can't explain it. He told me the thing that 230 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: this old man was April. It was a big deal 231 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: that it was April. For some reason, that fact really 232 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: stuck in his brain for some time. Around then, he 233 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: made some passing reference to debts, the organized crime, distress, 234 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: and depression. That was the fuzzy part the party was 235 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 1: clear about. It was the part where his old man 236 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: parked his car on the curve of Myrtle Avenue in Brooklyn, 237 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: took a two and put one end in the exhaust 238 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: p put the other end in the front window, rolled 239 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: the window uptight, and turned the car on. What a 240 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: way to go? All right? I means ship. I don't 241 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: know what do I know about taking it along full 242 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: of carbon monoxide? It seems like a hell of a 243 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: way to go. We'll be right back after this word 244 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: word were what were you doing? Thirty days ago? What 245 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: did you eat? What did you listen to? Did you 246 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: sing in the shower? Did you call your mom? Did 247 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: you laugh? Did you cry? Do you even remember what 248 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: day it was thirty days ago? Of course not, because 249 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: thirty days is a long time, which is why CarMax 250 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: gives you thirty long days to make sure you love 251 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: your car. 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I'm 278 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: talking about that caddy a limo, right. The thing was 279 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: a beast ship. A couple of guys like us could 280 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: have lived in that thing for a few days. And 281 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: this night I really thought that was gonna happen, that 282 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: we live in the thing. He just didn't want me 283 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: to leave him, not that, not yet. It was so 284 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: late and the sun was almost up again. It was 285 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: late it was early. What was the difference? Phil and 286 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: I were both living the kind of lives that didn't 287 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: pay attention to the day of the week, let alone 288 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: what hour it was. He sat in the back of 289 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: that caddy together, one across from the other. He just 290 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: kept talking to me. I would make a movement, motioned 291 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: towards the door. He put a hand up, asked me 292 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: another question and asked me where I was going? Tell 293 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: me another story? Hey, Lenny, did I tell you about 294 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: the time? Give me a reason to stay the caddie 295 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: i'le We sat talked until we ran out of things 296 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: to talk about. When he had nothing else to talk about, 297 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: we listened to the engine harming per He didn't want 298 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: to go back to his place all alone. The guy 299 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: was the biggest pot producer on the planet did but 300 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: he was always alone. Charles Foster came going back to 301 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: Xantitude for another lonely night. We had just driven back 302 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: from Cancers out on Fairfax Joint Coacher scene and be 303 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: seen the whole scene, the whole night. You are the 304 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: knock worst, the knock worst that cancers have. You had 305 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: it out of sight. It was late, so late, nighthawks 306 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: at the Diaming League. Probably two am. Doesn't matter how 307 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: late it gets in l A. The lights are always 308 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: on the neon hums above the storefront. Sounds like steak 309 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: sizzling on the grill. And it's bright too, manh It's 310 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: sometimes l A at night. It feels more alive than 311 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: it does during the day. Is that big electric hum 312 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: before nineteen North Fairfax Cantors, Fairfax open twenty four hours 313 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: Bakery Delicatessen. You can tell what time it was by 314 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: the crowd of cancers. You didn't need to watch. If 315 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: the joint was full of a bunch of octogenarians taking 316 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: long slopes of suit, it was midmorning. The place was 317 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: jumping with a bunch of wire kids, kicking out from 318 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: the last party and looking for the next one. It 319 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: was two am. Phil took me with him to meet 320 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: with Frank Sappa that night. Phil, one of the company, 321 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: wanted a familiar face with him in case Frank bored 322 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: him to tears. Of course, he brought one of his 323 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: bodyguards with The two might have a big red. Phil 324 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: thought he was the most important person in the world, 325 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: and the bodyguard helps sell that image. Was the ultimate 326 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: hustle Frank was doing a little hustling himself. I'm sure 327 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: the big labels were a bit skeptical of him. Everyone 328 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: was skeptical of whom in his band. The Mother's are invention, 329 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: long hairs, beards, looked like a bunch of acts murderers, 330 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: he did. Frank needed a label to release his first record. 331 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: He thought, maybe Phil get involved, put it out on 332 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: his Phillies label. I think Frank saw fellow outcast, a 333 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: fellow member of the French Frank thought he had found 334 00:18:53,000 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: his meal ticket. Sure, and of course there was Frank's 335 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,719 Speaker 1: idea of Fringe, and then there was Phil's idea of Fringe, 336 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: and the two were light years apart. Frank brought this 337 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: cat with him, Danny Bruce. Danny Bruce, no ship, I said, 338 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: are you shooting me? Who the fuck is this guy? 339 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: He had to be working with me, right, am I? Right, 340 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: Danny fucking Bruce. I looked this guy straight in his 341 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: eyes and I said, are you working with me? Man? 342 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: I swear I thought it was some cosmic joke, some 343 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: cosmic two am joke on Junkie Jones and for something 344 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: sharp and hot at the Kosher Delhi on Fairfax, And 345 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: Denny Bruce said no, man, I'm Danny Bruce, no relation, 346 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: no ship. Frank starts talking about how he changed his 347 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: name as a tribute to me, so Danny corrects him. 348 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: The name has nothing to do with me. His room 349 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: name was Leonard Schneider, and he needs something a little 350 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: less jew and a little more going for show biz. 351 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: I get that, me and Frank who got into it. 352 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: He looked at me and saw a kindred spirit. Frank 353 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: thought I was some besiah, no joke. All Frank wonder 354 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: was the question authority against authority, And here he had 355 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: the guy who took that anti authority chat all the 356 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: wags of the bitter end. I couldn't have cared less Jack, Jack, Frank, 357 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: whatever the fucking name is. I just needed to get 358 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: through the social engagement so that I could feel okay. 359 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: But I hit and Phil up for some more cash, 360 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,239 Speaker 1: which of course meant more junk. And then we were 361 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: back home, the Caddy limo rolling up to my place 362 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: out on West Hollywood Boulevard, way up there in the 363 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,239 Speaker 1: weeds of Tinseltown. I just needed to fix That's all 364 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: I could think about. It's all I thought about all night. 365 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: They filled any idea. He didn't care. He wouldn't know 366 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: a needle if it jumped from the ground and poked 367 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: him in their ass. I kept my secrets pretty close 368 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: to the vest. Phil's secrets weren't kept at all, at 369 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: least not around me. They tumbled out, they spewed forth, 370 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 1: they were blurted. There was no embargo on the kinds 371 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: of things that came out of his mouth. He used 372 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: the stories to keep me hanging around after he doled 373 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: out the money, like to think about his old man. 374 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: And now in the car outside my place, way out 375 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: in the Willie Wags of Hollywood Boulevard, he was telling 376 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: me more secrets, secrets that would buy him a few 377 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: more minutes with me, a few more minutes before he 378 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: had to be alone again. He was telling me about 379 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: the time he got pissed on by a couple of 380 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: kids have followed him into a bathroom after he just 381 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: played a show, The Teddy Bears, that's what they were called, 382 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: which I mean, in all fairness, sounds like the name 383 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: of a band that wants to get piste on in 384 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: a men's bathroom, if you know what I'm saying. Here's 385 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: Phil and his flat top and embroidered sweater. He's the 386 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: manifestation of a mark a square. And this is back 387 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: when he couldn't hide be in the square. It's so 388 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 1: lay fifties. I think he said it was in New York, 389 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter. These kids he feel performed. And 390 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: then when he heads into the men's room there on 391 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: his tail, he has no clue. A couple of them 392 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: whole fill down on the floor. Another one keeps watching 393 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: at the door, and another one on zips his khakis 394 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: and just pisces all over him. Humiliates. Phil is like 395 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: twenty years old, breaking into show biss and he's being 396 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: held down against the cold, wet tile of a nondescript 397 00:21:55,560 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: men's room while pisces raining down on him. Maybe that's 398 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: why I felt a connection with me. He was humiliated 399 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: on the floor of the bathroom by some holier than that. 400 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: Thus I was humiliated on the stage by some holier 401 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: than the cops. Phil Specter was absolutely fucking nothing like me, 402 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: but he thought he was man. What else he thought? 403 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: I'd never know? And that was last night I ever saw. 404 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: August thirty six to five West Hollywood Boulevard, not the 405 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: iconic Hollywood Boulevard that runs parallel to Sunset Bulevard. But 406 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: the Hollywood Boulevard that passes over Laurel Canyon, The Hollywood 407 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: Boulevard that retreats up the hill, the one that hides 408 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: him on the oaks and sycamores and eucalyptus trees, the 409 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: one that gets squirrelly, twisted, winding, shady, obscured. That's the 410 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: Hollywood Boulevard. The sirens raced up that night. A little 411 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: to the west, the phone rang in Phil Specter's house. 412 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: Were traveled fast. Phil answered the phone, listen to the 413 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: voice on the other line, didn't say a word. Within seconds, 414 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: he slammed the receiver down so hard it made the 415 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: bell ring on the base of the rotary. Phil grabbed 416 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: Danny Davis by the shirt collar, pulled him quickly from 417 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: the house, and they ran outside. They tore ass to 418 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: the white caddy. Phil yelled at Danny, told him to 419 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: get in the car and told him to drive fast. 420 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: They needed to get over to Lenny's place as quickly 421 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: as fucking possible. They needed to be there ten minutes ago. 422 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: They avoided the strip and went the back roads. They 423 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: hit to he Neat Too, Sunset Hills, right onto Oriole 424 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: and then thrash her app rising Glen Road, Sunset Plaza Drive, 425 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: and finally banged a hard right on the Hollywood Boulevard. 426 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: There were cops outside Lenny's place. When they arrived, bright coplights. 427 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: Phil was out of the caddy and pacing furiously towards 428 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: the front door. The cops were standing around, talking low, 429 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: mumbling under their breath, smoking cigarette butts with red hot 430 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: ends flicked to the ground, filled it and stopped to 431 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: ask questions or announce his presence. Phil was inside now. 432 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: He followed the cops, made his way into the living room, 433 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: passed the kitchen, more cops towards the bathroom. Even more cops, 434 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: and they were like a trail of breadcrumbs, those cops. 435 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: And they led Phil Specter right to what he'd been 436 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: told he would find Lenny Bruce dead on the floor 437 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: next to the john, his pants around his ankles, a 438 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: needle at his arm, gloated, half naked, exposed, humiliated. Lenny 439 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: was gone, daddy O. Phil looked around at the bathroom 440 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,479 Speaker 1: full of cops, These goddamn cops. They persecuted Lenny, harassed him, 441 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: told him what he could and couldn't say, told him 442 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: which jaks he could tell, told him what words he 443 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: could say, pulled him from the stage, put him in handcuffs, 444 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: chewed him up, spat him out, left him for dead. 445 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: Lenny wasn't the only one exposed and humiliated on a 446 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: bathroom floor. Phil also thought back to his own bad 447 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: memory in a bathroom. Bathrooms were a bad scene, man, 448 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: and this scene was the worst. His heart pounded. He 449 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: felt himself losing control of his better judgment. He was 450 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: on his knees now, and the cops tried to haul 451 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: him away, but he stood his ground. You did this, 452 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: he shouted at every batch in the room. You killed him. 453 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: An overdose of morphine. Fucking ponderous. It was an overdose 454 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: of police, plain and simple. Phil couldn't shake the police. 455 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: They came by his office soon after Lenny's stat fist 456 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: full of photos from the scene in Lenny's bathroom. The 457 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: raw shots of Lenny Lang prone in the bathroom tile 458 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: looked like something from Luigi's portfolio. The cops joke that 459 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: maybe Phil wanted to buy them for one of his 460 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: album covers. It was a sick joke, but Phil took 461 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: it as a serious offer. How much he asked five 462 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 1: grand sold it was a small price to pay to 463 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: keep them out of someone else's hands, and it was 464 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: the last piece of Lenny that he could hold on to. 465 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: Phil couldn't shake Lenny. He paid for the funeral, delivered 466 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: the eulogy. He hung a giant poster of money directly 467 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: above his bed, larger than life. In it, Lenny's gaze 468 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: was tired but foreboding, the look of a man far 469 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: past his prime, bloated, worn out, scatter rained on junk. 470 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: Phil would climb into bed, find comfort in Lenny's gaze 471 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: wearing down on him, But his wife, Ronnie Specter, would 472 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: lay next to him, Unable to close her eyes. She'd 473 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: turn on her side, her stomach, but she always felt 474 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: Lenny's eyes following her, burning into her, judging her. She 475 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 1: would roll onto her back, look up at the overbearing 476 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,959 Speaker 1: image of the man her husband briefly idolized his Socrates, 477 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: he would say, and she felt that something was terribly wrong. 478 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: She felt it was an omen a warning from on 479 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: the grave and above her bed, something evil. There is 480 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: no good, and there is no evil. There's only blood 481 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: on the tracks. 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