1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A two year old little 2 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: boy wandering and a parking lot. Now, if that doesn't 3 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: make you stop in your tracks, It's happened to me, 4 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: and I'll look, where's mom, Where's dad, where's babysitter until 5 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: I find them? Right Well, when this happened, there was 6 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: no dad, there was no mom, there was no babysitter 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: in sight. And I'm going to tell you why. I'm 8 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 9 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. 10 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: First of all, I'll take a listen to our friends 11 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: at WSV and Fox seven. This little boy was found 12 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: roaming the street behind us here. Who is he? Who 13 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: are his parents? That's what Mirramar police are trying to 14 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: figure out. They gave us some video of the little boy. 15 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: The video was taken not long after he was found 16 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: in the area of eighteen sixty Southwest sixty eighth Avenue. 17 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: Police believe he's two to three years old. He was 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: wearing only a T shirt and diapers, no shoes. Police 19 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: have been going door to door with flyers hoping to 20 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: find the child's family, but so far, no luck. Ebony 21 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: Williams is the person who found the child called for help. 22 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: When I got out of my car, I heard the 23 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: baby crying, so I walked over and I realized he 24 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: was by hisself. I asked them, you know, where's your mommy? 25 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: And he kind of just pointed kind of like everywhere, 26 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: and I reached out my hand for him. He grabbed 27 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: my hand, and I just walked around the complex, hoping 28 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: that I would find somebody looking for him or calling 29 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: his name, and that never happened. You're hearing the voice 30 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: of a good Samaritan, Ebony william speaking with SEVENS Jessica Holly. 31 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: That disturbs me. It actually hurts because I'm thinking of 32 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: my twins, John David and Lucy at two years old. 33 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: Lucy had just started walking, just started walking, and they 34 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: were still wobbling on their feet and legs, and this 35 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: good samaritan, Ebony Williams, ask where's mommy? And the little 36 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: boy just kind of points everywhere. And that's what I 37 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: want to know today. Where is mommy? With me? An 38 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it 39 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: back together again. Long time trial lawyer, defense attorney, family 40 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: lawyer specialist Randy Kessler joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. 41 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: Doctor Daniel Bober were now forensic psychiatrists joining me out 42 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: of Florida. You can find him on instat at doctor 43 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: Daniel Bober. James shell Nutt twenty seven years on Metro 44 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: major case now lawyer at shell nut Lawfirm dot com, 45 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: but first to online dot com investigative reporter Levi Page, LEVI, 46 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: tell me what happened? Now? This is in Mirrormar. Correct, 47 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: you're CRT Nancy So July twenty six. Wait minute, whoa 48 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait 49 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: wait wait wait hold your horses. Did you ever see 50 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: that program? I was just talking about it City Confidential 51 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: with Bill Curtis. I watched that incessantly when I'd be 52 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: working out with my now husband. And you start with this, 53 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: it's great, and you start with the city and the 54 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: area and you try to figure out put yourself there, Levi. 55 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: This is Miramar, Florida, which is South Florida, which is 56 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: kind of like a bedroom community. I think of Miami. 57 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: Population about one hundred and twenty thousand people, not big, 58 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: and we're in some parking lot. Okay, take it from there, 59 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: leave for sure, What kind of parking lot was it? 60 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: Was it Walmart? Was it Target? Was it some fancy 61 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: mall like Neiman Marcus? Was it an apartment? What kind 62 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: of a parking lot wasn't it was the parking lot 63 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: of Edge apartments in Miramar, Florida, halfway between Fort Lauderdale 64 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: and Miami. And this woman discovered a little boy, curly hair, 65 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: He was barefoot, and he was wandering around this parking lot. 66 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: She reached her hand out, he grabbed her hand, and 67 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: she said, where is your mommy? And he couldn't talk 68 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: very well, so he's obviously very young, a toddler, and 69 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: she called police. She changed his diaper and police got there. 70 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: They couldn't get much information out of him, so he 71 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: was sent to a Florida Department of Families and Children. 72 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: Right there, Randy Kessler, how much God was watching out 73 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: for this little boy. Anybody could have gotten that boy, 74 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: some perv could have gotten him, Someone could have taken 75 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: him and he would never have been seen again. You 76 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:21,119 Speaker 1: know that happens every day. You know, when I first 77 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: prosecuted child rape cases, I prosecuted them as statutory rape. 78 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: We didn't call it child sex trafficking then, but that's 79 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: what it is now. And to think this two year 80 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: old little boy, can you hear that with the curly 81 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: hair and the T shirt tells me a lot, Randy Kessler. 82 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: But he was out in nothing but a dipe and 83 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: no shoes. But I'll go into the forensic signals later. 84 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: But Randy, family Law, what will people give on today's 85 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: black market to adopt a two year old little boy 86 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: with beautiful early hair? How much money? Kesler? Go ahead, 87 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: tell me sixty seventy eighty grand? Thank goodness. I have 88 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: no idea and I had no interest. Yes, you do 89 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: a lot of money. It's a lot of money, and 90 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: that's why we're spending so much money and resources on 91 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: trying to prevent that kind of stuff. But you know, 92 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: the civil lining is that the child was down right, 93 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: So what does that change matter? Are you trying to 94 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: tell me you don't know about a black market adoption? 95 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't know if I don't 96 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: know the reach, and I don't know the going rates. 97 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: And I had no interest to know because one dollars 98 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: too much and it shouldn't be out there. But you're right, 99 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: there are a lot of you've never had a family 100 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: fight over custody of a cute little baby. I when 101 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: you put it like that, right, lawyer fees and what 102 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: they would spend to take Cuffy to their own child. 103 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: They'll spend everything. It's of thousands of dollars to fight. However, 104 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: if you get joint, or if you get every other weekend, 105 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: if you get every weekend, if you get Tuesday through 106 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: Thursday or Friday through blah blah blah, you know what. 107 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stay married, okay, because I just can't 108 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: go through it. H James shell Nut. How much would 109 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: this child go for on the black market adoption? I 110 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: mean it could be up to sixty eighty grand depending 111 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: on Oh absolutely, And you know you actually have reports 112 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: of sites online now on the black Web where people 113 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: actually did and the child is to the highest bidder um. 114 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: It would have been a lot. So it's such a 115 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: joy talking to you, shell Nut. I mean, I hadn't 116 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: even thought about a bid like in the movie with bookshelves, 117 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: Pretty Baby, remember that Jackie where everybody bid on bookshelves. 118 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: I only know about it. I didn't see it, but 119 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: I do know the plotline. I didn't know that shut up, 120 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: people actually bid online to get a child. Oh absolutely. 121 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: You know, some people are desperate, some people are evil, 122 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: and some people are both. Take a listen to our 123 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: friends at w PLG Local ten. This is LeAnn more 124 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: Jean Police and mirramar say they now know who this 125 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: little boy and his mother aren't right now, they're looking 126 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: for twenty one year old Layla Cavitt. She's missing and 127 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: her two year old son was found at a Miramar 128 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: apartment complex Sunday morning. His name is Camden Cavott Arnold. 129 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: Miramar Police shared his photo to social media and it 130 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: went viral, the image eventually reaching Cabot's sisters, like, no 131 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: question in my mind, But the question is why are 132 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: they in Florida. In Florida more than twelve hours away 133 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: from home in Jasper, Alabama. They say the family has 134 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: no connections to South Florida by the middle of a pandemic, 135 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: so it's not like she was taking a vacation just 136 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: out of the blue. Camden was found here in the 137 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: parking lot of the Edge apartment complex by a woman 138 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: who just left home to run an errand I asked them, 139 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: you know, where's your mommy? And he kind of just pointed, 140 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: kind of like everywhere, but it seemed the boy was 141 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: all alone. So Emman he called police, investigators, created flyers, 142 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: went door to door and posted on social media. It 143 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: was because the post went viral. Now were you ben 144 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: able to see him? Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, 145 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: we were talking about a little two year old, curly 146 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: headed boy who was found wearing nothing but a tank top, 147 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: no shoes, no socks, nothing else. And he couldn't communicate 148 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: where he lived, where he's from, his mommy's name, nothing. 149 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: He could give no leads whatsoever. So to you, James 150 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 1: shell Nutt twenty seven years Metro major case now lawyer 151 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: at shell nut Law Firm dot com, that's the conundrum, 152 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: how do you identify this missing baby? We know now 153 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: how it happened, We know now that the photo was 154 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: released online, and I remember when a high happened just 155 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: not too long ago and it went viral. Of everybody's 156 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: trying to identify this baby. And you know, Shelnut, do 157 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: you know how many times between Court TV and hl 158 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: in and oxygen in here and that I've put out 159 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: a picture of a child and no one has ever 160 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: identified the child. So where do you start when you're 161 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: trying to identify an unknown child and the child cannot communicate. Well, 162 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: I think I think the police did a great job 163 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: here they say an example of what you should do. 164 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: You know, they started passing out this child's picture immediately 165 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: to the media but social media, both on television, and 166 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: they got been a great job of disseminating this child's picture. Okay, 167 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: I appreciate the patting on the back to all your 168 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: friends in the police force, and I'm happy for you. 169 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: But let me get back to the question. Okay, if 170 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: I had you understand, I go objection non responsive. I'll 171 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: repeat the question. Where typically when you don't have a 172 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: child police, when you don't have a name or a child, 173 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 1: do police start to identify the child? Well, you start 174 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: by taking a look, obviously after dissembling that information, you 175 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: start by taking a look at where that child was 176 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: found and seeing if anyone around where this child was 177 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: found nose this child has seen this child about exactly. 178 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: And here's the kicker. You heard what the sister said. 179 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: Take a listen to WSVN Fox News. This is Katrina 180 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: bush Mere mart Police officers were back in the neighborhood 181 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: where a woman found a child wandering alone detectives confirmed 182 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: they're reviewing surveillance video again as they investigate the disappearance 183 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: of his mother. Still no word on twenty one year 184 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: old Leila Covette. Detectives tell seven News she had been 185 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: driving this white Chevy thirty five hundred truck mid to 186 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: late nineties model with a maroon or red tailgate and 187 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: a baby on board sign. I definitely just wanna know 188 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: that my sister is okay. That's our main concern and 189 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: only concern right now. Cavitt's family arrived in South Florida 190 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: yesterday from Alabama after finding out what was going on online. 191 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: The last time the family heard from her was over 192 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: the weekend through Facebook. She said, our grandmother thumbs up 193 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: on Facebook is the last contact that we've known. So 194 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: did you hear that, guys? Let me Crime online dot 195 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter LEVI, the mom of this little boy 196 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: is Leela cavt And did I hear her sister say? 197 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: She lived twelve hours away from where the baby was found, 198 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: so she had been living at Jasper and recently moved 199 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: to Dawsonville, Georgia, which is seven hundred miles away from 200 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: South Florida and our drive. Yeah, I heard the sisters 201 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: say twelve, so that you must be taking into account 202 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: her recent move to Dawsonville. And as the sister of 203 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: Lela Cavitt pointed out, in the middle of coronavirus, she 204 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: wasn't taking a vacation or traveling at all. So how 205 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: does this little boy end up alone with no shoes, 206 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: wearing only a diaper and a T shirt, wandering in 207 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: the edge apartment building parking lot to be found happenstance 208 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: by a good samaritan, Ebony Williams. That's my question. And 209 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: where is Leela Cabot? Now let me go back to you, 210 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: LEVI page Crime on Line. Explain to me the last 211 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: known contact with mommy. So it was with her grandmother. 212 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: Her grandmother lives in Nashville. And she said on July 213 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: twenty six, which is the same day that Camden was 214 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: found wondering in this apartment complex parking lot, she got 215 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: a thumbs up on Facebook messenger from Leela. That's very interesting. 216 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: It's an emoji that says thumbs up. I have twelve 217 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: year old twins. I know what emo's are. I just 218 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: wanted to make sure. Although their father says something like 219 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: emagi or or image or something like that, and they 220 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: have been having a field day with that ever since 221 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Bober joining me forensic Psychiatrists. You can follow 222 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: him on Insta at doctor Daniel Bober. Doctor Bober, you 223 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: know what's interesting about that last known communication with mommy 224 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: Leela Cavitt. It was just the thumbs up emoji, That's 225 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: all it was. It wasn't hey guys, I'm driving the 226 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: baby down to Florida, or I'm going on a road trip, 227 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: or everything's cool, let's get together this weekend, mom, nothing 228 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: like that. It was just an emoji. What does that 229 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: say to you, Doctor Daniel Bober. It says to me 230 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: that maybe it wasn't her who says it. That is 231 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: totally generic and it's not, you know, something that would 232 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: be expected from someone who have a close relationship with 233 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: There's no d tell. It's just something that could have 234 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: been done by anybody, you know. I was just thinking, 235 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: I don't believe i've and we text all the time, 236 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: not a lot of phone calls, but we text a 237 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: lot during the day, back and forth between me and 238 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: my husband David, and even if I go jogging on 239 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: a walk, I text back and forth with the twins 240 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: the whole time. I don't believe either of us have 241 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: ever sent a thumbs up to each other. Jackie, if 242 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: I ever sent you a thumbs up? Have you ever 243 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: sent me a thumbs up? No? Have we? John? Really? No? Brett, No, 244 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: that's odd, that's very odd. Indeed, the thumbs upside. Randy 245 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: Kessler joining me, defense attorney in multiple jurisdictions and family 246 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: law specialist. Randy, You and I have seen on many investigations, 247 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: as have you, shell nutt where someone hijacks your laptop 248 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: or your iPad or your phone, and to cover their tracks, 249 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: they start communicating with your loved ones. They'll look at 250 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: your last text and they'll just send that person an emoji, 251 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: a smiley face, or a hard or thumbs up in 252 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: this case, to give the appearance the person is still alive. 253 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: That takes a lot of cunning. Would you agree or disagree? 254 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: Randy Kessler? Oh, we've seen a lot more than that. 255 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: You've seen them create, you know, harsh words and alienation 256 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: and saying you'll never see your child again, and pretend 257 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: that it came from their spouse to be able to 258 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: prove that their spouse is alienating the child. So this 259 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: is minor, This is believable. That they just wanted to 260 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: drag it on and delay the police and the authorities 261 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: from coming after them and saying everything's okay, and give 262 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: them a head start to wherever they were going. Absolutely, 263 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: that's an explanation. So you're telling me, in divorce cases, 264 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: one parent will pretend to be the other parent and 265 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: send in reality themselves lewd or threatening emails or texts 266 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: to make it look bad for their spouse in coort. 267 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying, Not only that they'll hire people, 268 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: they'll they'll buy apps, or they'll even they'll even post 269 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: on their spouse of social media as if they are 270 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: their spouse and then uses as evidence. What did you 271 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: just say about buying an app? They're looking for apps, 272 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: they're looking for devices, ways to go in, and they're 273 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: paying their people, their professionals, they'll do this for them. 274 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: They will say, I don't know what you mean by 275 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: buying an app. How does buying an app help you 276 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: commit this fraud? It helps you create an alibi or 277 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: lets you have an alias, or let you send an 278 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: email that looks like it came from your spouse when 279 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: it really came from you. You have your husband's name 280 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: an email going to you, so it looks like he 281 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: wrote to an email saying you will never see your 282 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: children again. And you show that to the judge and said, 283 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: look at what my husband well mean when really the 284 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: app or the platform lets you create the alias email? 285 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: What app with that? They I've never I don't know 286 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: about that app, don't I don't know what either. I 287 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: just know it exist and I've had specialist is that 288 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: she'll not jumping in. No, Nancy, it's LEVI. There's like 289 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: spoof abs that you can download on the okay someone's email. 290 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: You know. It concerns me that you know that Crime 291 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about a gorgeous 292 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: young mom, Leela Cavott, her little boy. I can't even 293 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: think about the twins. One of my children are both 294 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: wandering and a parking lot with and I'm nowhere around. 295 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: That's what happened, And because that happened with Kaden, that's 296 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: how we know who mommy is. Because of the little 297 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: baby's picture getting disseminated everywhere. Family sees it to incidentally 298 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: and they go, that's the baby. That leads me to 299 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: the fact that mommy is gone. Where is Leela? Take 300 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at eleven Alive. Police say 301 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: Lela Cavette's pickup truck disappeared to an old white Chevy 302 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: thirty five hundred with a red tailgate and assigned baby 303 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: on board. In the passenger window. Cavette tattooed Camden's name 304 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: on the inside of her right arm and on her 305 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: right wrist a tattoo of the Christian fish symbol. Parents 306 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: who live in the neighborhood where Camden was found are 307 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: shaken too for a little wood to be wandering out 308 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: like that. Whoden was beaten seriously wrong way? And police 309 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: are asking people here who know Leila Cavette, possibly people 310 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: in the Dawson County area as well. They're hoping that 311 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: they will call nine one if they have any information 312 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: that might help police figure out what happened and where 313 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: she is. That's a very very identifiable vehicle. I believe 314 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: they said Afford f one fifty why with a different 315 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: color top with particular signs on it. Guys, at this 316 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: point is all we have to go with is her truck. Now, 317 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: I can listen to CBS four Miami's Elliott of Rodriguez. 318 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: His mother's truck turned up in Hollywood, but she was 319 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: not in it, and her grandparents just arrived in South 320 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: Florida to join in the search. We are here to 321 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: find her and to get all great red Apostolor. Carol 322 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: and Robert Ferdinand came from Nashville, Tennessee, to South Florida 323 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: hoping to find their twenty one year old granddaughter, Leela Cavitt. 324 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: She used the missing mother of two year old Camden, 325 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: found wandering in Miramar Sunday. At this you've been snacked 326 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: the bout this screek. We had never left her baby 327 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: nevers my granddaughter. I know her. We had no Levet 328 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: Camdon one North Greek. There's not our character. Hollywood police 329 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: say Cabot was in this Chevy pickup truck found in 330 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: a Walmart parking lot at four forty one in Hollywood Boulevard. 331 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: It's the same area where police say the young mother 332 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: was last seen. Lela's three sisters arrived from Alabama Tuesday 333 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: after learning Leila, who lives in Georgia, was missing so 334 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: far from home. That's the biggest question we have is 335 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: why she was in Florida. We don't know. That is 336 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,239 Speaker 1: the biggest mystery of this entire situation. You know, I'm 337 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: just thinking before I get into the vehicle, it's a 338 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: white Chevy excuse a white Ford F one fifty pick 339 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: up with red tailgate. I want to go to you, 340 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Bober. I've recounted to you before how John 341 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: Davy went missing in a baby zero superstore. They're huge, 342 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: They're like an acre of baby stuff, and what went 343 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,479 Speaker 1: through my mind when I could find him. I'm just 344 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: thinking about this family. You just heard that Caroline and 345 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: Robert Ferdinand has driven down what the ten or twelve 346 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: hours to Florida to look for Lila. Lila Cavette now missing. 347 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: We wouldn't have known she was missing if the little 348 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: baby hadn't been found. Guys, let me give you the 349 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: tip line. It's nine five four nine six seven four 350 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: four one one repeat nine five four nine six seven 351 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: four four one one or nine five four four nine 352 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: three tips t ips nine five four four nine three 353 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: eight four seven seven. What goes through the family's mind 354 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: is sheer terror. And then you get after a couple 355 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: of days, you get to share exhaustion, mentally and physically 356 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: pushed to the brink looking for your loved one. To 357 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Bober, have you ever dealt with that kind 358 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: of pain in one of your clients and what they 359 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: go through? I think the mental exhaustion would be worse 360 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: than the physical exhaustion. Unfortunately, Nancy, Yes, they have, and 361 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: it starts out with absolute horror and shock, and at 362 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: some point, when the child is missing long enough, you 363 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: start sort of bargaining in your head that you would 364 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: rather know what happened to the child just than not 365 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: knowing is the hardest part, whether they're dead or alive. 366 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: Just living with that uncertainty, in that pain and knowing 367 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: that you know they're either dead or they're somewhere, Are 368 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: they safe? Are they being taken care of? It? It's 369 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: just horrific. You know. I said that Mirromour is only 370 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: about one hundred and twenty two thousand people more than 371 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: where I grew up in rural Middle Georgia, but it's 372 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: very close to Miami, with well over a million residence. 373 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: So do you, Shelnutt, how does that make the search 374 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: for the mom lela Cavette even more difficult? Well, I 375 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: mean it's it's a much larger area a much larger 376 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: possible base of suspects. You know, they're certainly going to 377 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: be looking for people that she talked to, but they're 378 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: also going to be looking for people who are known 379 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: predators in that area, of sexual offenders who may have 380 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: lived close by. There, so a lot of them in 381 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: Miami too. Let me tell you that a ton and 382 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: so it definitely broadens the scope of your investigation. Guys, 383 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: I've been saying a Ford. It's a Chevy. It's not 384 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: a Ford F one fifty. It's a Chevy three to 385 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: five hundred, a late ninety Chevy three five hundred, redtailgate, 386 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: baby on board sign in passenger window. Police say the 387 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: vehicle was later found abandoned in Hollywood, Florida. So to 388 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: you leave I page, what can you tell me about 389 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: the vehicle? Where their size of struggle was there? Blood? 390 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: Was her pocketbook, her cell phone, her keys? What was 391 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: in the vehicle? What do we know about that? So, Nancy, 392 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: we don't know about what conditioned the vehicle was in, 393 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: if there was any signs of foul play in this vehicle. 394 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: The police are keeping that type flipt but it is 395 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: a Chevy Silverado mid to late nineties model with a 396 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: baby on board sign on the passenger window, and the 397 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: truck was found in a Walmart in Hollywood, Florida, about 398 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: ten miles away from where that little Canda. Don't know 399 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: why that reporter said this look shabby? Does that look 400 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: shabby to you? I was like a nice pickup to me. 401 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: So it's found there, and we don't know whether there's 402 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: any sign of struggle or anything like that. LEVI, We 403 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: do not know. Guys. Take a listen to this. The 404 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: truck covet was in has been found too. It's a 405 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 1: white Chevy truck with a baby on board side. Hollywood 406 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: detectives are now labeling this a missing person's investigation. Her 407 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: grandparents fear the worst, especially because they say she always 408 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: kept her son close. I think about her snatch up 409 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: all of the screaks, and she peared with them to 410 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: let the baby go. You know, guess why they found 411 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: him wonder around because he would never leave that baby. 412 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 1: That's how hard that's a life. The Hollywood Police Department 413 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: is now the lead agency on this investigation, and while 414 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: they haven't released any other details about Covette's disappearance, her 415 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: family plans to try to search for her themselves. I've 416 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: just been playing to God, you know. And if someone 417 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: out there that the couple's found her and know what 418 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: she is, we would great appreciate and help Crime Stories 419 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Where is Leila Cavette? That's the question 420 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: asked right now by so many. Let me give you 421 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: the tip line again nine five four nine success four 422 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: four one one. We were talking about a beautiful baby boy, Camden, 423 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: two years old. I'm looking at his picture right now 424 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: and he's beautiful. I gotta show you the picture. This 425 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: is of him eating and eating an apple, and he 426 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: is gorgeous. Look at this little guy with the curly 427 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: kind of gold looking hair. Look at him. Can you 428 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: imagine this little guy wandering alone in a parking lot, 429 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: barefoot and a dipe and a T shirt. When we 430 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: pulled the thread and start to unravel, we find out 431 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: mommy is missing. She would never have left her baby. 432 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: Back to leave my page Crime online dot Com investigative 433 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,479 Speaker 1: reporter tell me about the search for Leila Cavett. Well, Nancy, 434 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: we know that she is five foot four inches tall, 435 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: one hundred and ten pounds. She has Camden and a 436 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: Jesus fish that symbol on her wrist tattooed on her 437 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: wrists and she was last seen in that white pickup truck, 438 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: that Chevy Silverado that was discovered abandoned at Walmart. And 439 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 1: we know that the SBI is assisting local authorities in 440 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: this search. When you say she was last seen in 441 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: that vehicle, when was she last seen, as it relates 442 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: to finding the baby, when was she last seen? How 443 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: many days before the baby was found? July twenty six, 444 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: It was the last it was the day that the 445 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: baby was found. She was seen driving in that vehicle 446 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: according to the Hollywood Police Department. How many days one? Yes, 447 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: So that's fairly close in as far as a timeline 448 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: to you, James Shelnot, let's talk about the timeline. What 449 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: do you make of it? You know, I think I 450 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: think it's important because you know, you find the truck 451 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: after you have found this baby, and you know the 452 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,239 Speaker 1: baby's wandering this complex, you're looking for mom, and then 453 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: you found the truck. I would like to know exactly 454 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: when that truck was dropped off and when it was found. 455 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: I would like to know also the last time for 456 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: sure that it is verified by someone that she taught 457 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: with someone or saw someone you know, the police have 458 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: indicated that they may have some type of surveillance I 459 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: believe I read in one of the articles some type 460 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: of surveillance video. I'd like to know exactly when and 461 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: where that was in relation to where the truck was found. 462 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: I'm understanding that she was last seen in the Hollywood area. 463 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,719 Speaker 1: How far away is Hollywood, Florida from Miramar? Do we 464 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: know that? LEVI page fifteen or twenty minutes, so not 465 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: far at all miles. I live in Hollywood, Dancy, That's 466 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: where I live. Oh is that you, doctor Bober? Yeah? 467 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: I live in Hollywood, Florida. Oh. Oh, tell me about 468 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: the area, doctor Bober, because that's important to me. Is 469 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: it highly populated about one hundred and forty thousand people. 470 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: It's kind of the major city wedged in there between 471 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: Miami and Fort Lauderdale. Yeah, that could be anybody, right, 472 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: That's like the traffic between New York and New Jersey, 473 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: between Hollywood and Wait, between Fort Lauderdale and Miami. Hollywood 474 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: is about twenty five minutes from Miami, and it's about 475 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes from Fort Lauderdale. And you know, it concerns 476 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: me even more as we're trying to identify where she 477 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: is and who took her. Obviously someone took her. Is 478 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: that it's not like she goes missing on her jog 479 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: outside of her home and rural wherever, because that limits 480 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: you largely to people in that area as the purp 481 00:30:54,960 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: right population center. Yes, doctor Bober, because here this could 482 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: be people, truckers coming down to Miami from New York. 483 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: It could be tourists. Crazy is right here, so's it 484 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: could be anyone on the inter state. And you know 485 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: what that reminds me of James Shellnutt. I don't know 486 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: if you remember the case of Dylan and Shasta Grownee 487 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,719 Speaker 1: and they were up in Cord Delane, Idaho. They were swimming, 488 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: playing at an above ground pool in the backyard with 489 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: their family, and a guy goes by on the interstate 490 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: and sees the little girl inter swimsuit. He goes later, 491 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: wipeside the whole family and takes Dylan and Shasta, kills 492 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: everybody else. And so you'd think in rural cur Delane, Idaho, 493 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen, But it does happen when someone 494 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: just actually Nancy. It's probably about two not even two 495 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: minutes away from where Adam Waltz was kidnapped. Oh my stars, 496 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: wow from the Hollywood mall right there in a Sears 497 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: robot exactly in them all. Okay, back to you, Leavi Page, 498 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: what more can you tell me? We know that the 499 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: FBI is also involved, and that the family has hired 500 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: a law firm to represent them, and they are currently 501 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: trying to gain access to Leila's Facebook messages to see 502 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: if they can see who she was communicating with before 503 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: she went missing and why she exactly was in Florida. 504 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: We know that her father has stated that he thinks 505 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: that she met someone on a dating app and that's 506 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: why she No. Does it never end, Randy Kesser with 507 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: the dating apps ever? Will there ever be a day 508 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: that we didn't report? It's always a woman? I mean, really, 509 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: it's unbelievably. That whole term, I mean, cattishing is so 510 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: ten years ago by mail. It's just unbelievable. People still 511 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: fall for things and trust people they've never met, and 512 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: there's no way event and that you know, people have 513 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: these desires and they just follow through and them without 514 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: it's a commense out the window. You know, here's another 515 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: family law issue for you, Andy Kessler, because this is 516 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: so critical at this juncture right now, I understand the 517 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: father Camden's father is trying desperately to get Camden. I 518 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: think he's under CPS Child Protective Services. I don't trust 519 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: them as far as I can throw them, right, so 520 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: I don't want this baby with Child Protective Services. But 521 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: they're making the father prove he's the father. I guess 522 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: he and Leela had broken up. They probably I don't 523 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: know that they were ever legally married. So now he's 524 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: got to prove he's the father. So how can we 525 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: avoid something like that happening? Boy, it's more funding, you know. CPS. 526 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: I feel for them, and they you always get a 527 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,959 Speaker 1: bad rap undertaining and overworks. They're getting subble when they 528 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: don't remove a child that gets hurt, and they if 529 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: they leave a child with you know, So they're they're 530 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: always in the spotlight because we always want them to 531 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: play god and to be able to save the world. 532 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: And there's just not enough funding. We need more. Please 533 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 1: don't get me started on CPS. What I'm talking about 534 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: is the father of the bio dad of Camden is 535 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: now having to jump through hoops to prove he's the father. 536 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: I guess to a DNA analysis. So every minute counts 537 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: when you've got a child in a foster home. Every 538 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: minute that child, in my mind, is in danger. So 539 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: how do you avoid this delay? He's got to prove 540 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: scientifically he's Camden's father. Take the test. If you said 541 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: I got to do something, of course he's going to 542 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: take the test. But how do you, Randy? You have 543 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,240 Speaker 1: an excellent reputation as a lawyer. So let me repeat 544 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: my question for the third time. Wait, maybe fourth, I'm 545 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: losing count. How do you avoid the situation of them 546 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: not knowing who the father is? I don't know. You 547 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: take the test. DNA testing is so simple. Now, well, okay, 548 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: you know what, I would have something like a formal 549 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: order or legal agreement with the mother that as to 550 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: when I could see the baby, stating that I'm the 551 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: bio dad, showing my child support payments, some type of 552 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: legal documentation that is my child, the birth certificate with 553 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: your name on it, something like that, Ding ding ding. 554 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: Because you're smart, I'll be in your office today to 555 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: take over the whole kit and caboole, I'm move it in. 556 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: I'm take it over. Okay, start sitting all those big 557 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,399 Speaker 1: checks to me. The Dwins will love it, guys. One 558 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: last time. Leila Covette, missing her baby, is in Child 559 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: Protective Services right now and some foster care. I don't 560 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: want that. I want to find Leila Covette phone number 561 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: nine five four nine six seven four four one one. 562 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: Please help us. Nancy Grace Crimes Story, signing off, Goodbye 563 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: friend