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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast.

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Speaker 1: My desk today is truly legendary. Great slick Grea. Hello,

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Speaker 1: I gotta ask. We're in the hills above Malibu. Where

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Speaker 1: were you during the fire? I was right here and

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Speaker 1: they said mandatory evacuation. So I went with a friend

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Speaker 1: of mine to a hotel in Santa Monica and watch

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Speaker 1: what I thought it was my house burning down on television.

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Speaker 1: Turns out the property around it it's burned up, but

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Speaker 1: not the house. So I'm back where I used to live. Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's great. Now. People always think you think of you

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Speaker 1: as a North Cow kind of girl, and here we

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Speaker 1: are in so cal and there's a really big different mindset. Whatever,

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Speaker 1: how'd you end up in so Cal? Um? I moved

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Speaker 1: down here. I thought my daughter was down here, so

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Speaker 1: I thought, I've always liked l A. Most people from

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Speaker 1: San Francisco are real snobby about l A. And I

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Speaker 1: want to say to them, how about the movie industry,

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Speaker 1: which has influenced your life, whether you think so or not.

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Speaker 1: This is a storytelling land and that's been what people

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Speaker 1: have done forever, is tell stories either around a fire

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Speaker 1: or in a big cinema So what are a couple

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Speaker 1: of your favorite movies. Oh, start for starters, the old

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Speaker 1: uh Disney stuff, Fantasia, Snow White, and The Seven Dwarves.

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Speaker 1: But during the fifties I didn't care for the style

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Speaker 1: of drawing that they did with Disney. I liked the

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Speaker 1: earlier style, Like you have night on Bald Mountain in

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Speaker 1: Fantasia and you see this black mountain and it starts

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Speaker 1: opening up and it's this horrible creature with red eyes.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's really well done. So I like that

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Speaker 1: the red shoes that taught me don't give up. She

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Speaker 1: kills herself. Oh, I can't decide whether I want to

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Speaker 1: be a ballerina or or be married to this guy.

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Speaker 1: How about both? You can't do both? Come on? So

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Speaker 1: I wanted at all the kid the man job, and

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Speaker 1: it can be done. Something's going to suffer, though, assuming

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Speaker 1: looking back to your career from an outside perspective, you've

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Speaker 1: achieved all of that more or less. Yeah, you hang

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Speaker 1: onto it for a while. I think the person who

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Speaker 1: suffered most with this is my daughter because she's all

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Speaker 1: sensitive and stuff, which is part of her generation. They

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Speaker 1: have like a lot of issues. Okay, let's start to

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Speaker 1: you don't have any issues. Oh I probably do. I'm

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Speaker 1: just not aware of them because we didn't talk about it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's go back to Fantagia. The big thing. Fantagia was

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Speaker 1: made in the thirties, big thing in the sixties, came

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Speaker 1: back to the theaters and you would go on drugs.

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Speaker 1: Did you have that experience too? Sometimes? Yeah, okay, And

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Speaker 1: then you're saying, even though looking inward in California is

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Speaker 1: really inside seeking, staten't do that. You never went to

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Speaker 1: the psychiatrist. Never. I went to a psychiatrist once because

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Speaker 1: the left side of my body hurt, and I went

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Speaker 1: to heart people know your heart too. I went to

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Speaker 1: muscle people. No, maybe it's psychosomatic. Go to psychiatrists not Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't do psychosomatic. That's corny. But I went anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'll do what i'm told occasionally. So I went to

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Speaker 1: the head of UC Parnassus, and I did four sessions

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Speaker 1: with him. And he said, is that your purse? He's

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Speaker 1: looking down. I put it on the floor and I said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I said yeah. He said so you wear this on

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Speaker 1: your left shoulder and I said yeah. He said, why

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Speaker 1: do you have so much stuff? I said, well, maybe

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Speaker 1: I want to go to France tomorrow. So I got

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Speaker 1: my passport of toothbrush on your pants. He said, well,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Either I don't load the purse

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Speaker 1: or start wearing in the right side for a while.

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Speaker 1: Sure enough, he's right, So that's fun. You have to

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Speaker 1: go to a psychiatrist for that, for real practical advice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because they couldn't figure out what was wrong. It kept

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Speaker 1: But if we were here alone till midnight, just the

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Speaker 1: two of us, would you be plumbing your inner depths

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Speaker 1: or will be more talking external stuff? Oh? Sometimes it

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Speaker 1: depends on you. In other words, if you I'll talk

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Speaker 1: about anything except physics, because I don't know anything about physics.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even take physics in high school. After chemistry

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Speaker 1: forget it. Yeah, I didn't like algebra. Love geometry because

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Speaker 1: I add numbers and he said, well, but you have

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Speaker 1: to pass the course. I said, in California public school,

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Speaker 1: if you show up, you get a D. You can't

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Speaker 1: funk if as long as you show up. So I

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Speaker 1: showed up. Well, the I D. I ever got. I

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Speaker 1: like everything else, but I didn't like algebra. And I said,

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Speaker 1: myself well enough at that time to know that's one

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Speaker 1: area I'm not going into. No thanks, okay. So Joe

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Speaker 1: Walsh says, the challenges is to live not to die young.

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Speaker 1: There's this seven club. A lot of rock stars die

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, especially drugs. You've lived through it, and

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Speaker 1: since it's totally available on Wikipedia, you're going to be

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Speaker 1: eighty in the fall. How do you feel about getting older?

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Speaker 1: I'm not really fond of it. But the only the

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Speaker 1: only thing that's good that happens unless your brains are fried,

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Speaker 1: is you acquire some wisdom and you aren't quite as

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Speaker 1: frantic about everything. You realize that there are very few

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Speaker 1: things that are that important. Just relax because uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: for one thing, I don't have much longer. If you're eighty,

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Speaker 1: you don't have a whole hell of a lot of time,

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Speaker 1: So just relax and enjoy whatever you got left. There

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Speaker 1: was that movie The bucket List, which actually I did

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Speaker 1: not see. But at this stage your life, is there

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Speaker 1: anything you feel you have to or want to do

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Speaker 1: before you pass? No, it's all already gone. In other words,

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Speaker 1: I didn't learn how to ride a horse, but now

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Speaker 1: every bone in my body break if I tried to

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Speaker 1: learn how to ride a horse. I never did. Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Hendrix and uh Peter O'Toole, But see they're both dead,

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Speaker 1: so I can't do them anyway. So everything I have

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Speaker 1: on a bucket list is not available. How how old

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Speaker 1: were you when you first lost your forginity? You were not?

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Speaker 1: Were you the bad girl growing up? Or were you

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Speaker 1: sort of a street arrow? I was bad ish, but

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Speaker 1: to a private school, Casteleia in Palo Alto for my

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Speaker 1: junior and senior year. And uh, we used to the

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Speaker 1: this weekend? And Pam and I would say, oh, Gordon Gilby.

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Speaker 1: My parents drank Gordon's gin. Her parents drank Gilby's gin.

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Speaker 1: So she and I'd go out and get to screw

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Speaker 1: didn't get arrested. I didn't start getting arrested until I

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Speaker 1: I did about thirty years ago. But you've got to

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Speaker 1: to have the eyelids because they droop and you can't

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Speaker 1: And uh? Pulled up face stuff? Here? It goes around

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Speaker 1: back of my head where they did it. But that's

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Speaker 1: like thirty five or forty years ago, so it's a

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Speaker 1: little bit more crude than it is now. Okay, are

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Speaker 1: you happy you did it? Irrelevant? Sure, because I kept

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Speaker 1: And so I had another ten years of being on

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Speaker 1: after that, I stopped when I was about fifty. So

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Speaker 1: after that there's no point in it's expensive and I

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Speaker 1: So at this stage of your life, do you have

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Speaker 1: And I used to be a real horn dog, but

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's hormones. I don't know if it's uh.

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Speaker 1: Other medical things that I have, one is the ethro melalgoe,

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Speaker 1: which is very rare. It is if my feet get

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Speaker 1: over about fifty sixty two degrees fahrenheit, feels like somebody

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Speaker 1: They don't know how to care it. It's not people

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Speaker 1: It's all over the map. Demographically, so they don't know

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Speaker 1: in the pots, and that solve the problem, Yes, it does.

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Speaker 1: And any other health problems, yeah hard. I've had two

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Speaker 1: But I'm a mess of stuff. I've got really good

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Speaker 1: doctors though. Uh, so they keep throwing medication at it

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Speaker 1: non fun drugs. Uh. Do you do still partake of

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Speaker 1: Because uh, people have often said, let's say your drug

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Speaker 1: drugs at all. When did you stop twenty three years ago? Okay,

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Speaker 1: you still go to meetings or not? Yeah? You're not

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Speaker 1: I can talk about you kept talking. But uh, People

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Speaker 1: Magazine broke my nanimity about forty years ago anyway, so

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Well, it's just you brought up the

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Speaker 1: But I don't care because either you want to get sober,

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Speaker 1: you don't what motivated you to get sober? The look

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Speaker 1: punishing my body this way. I'm too I'm getting too

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Speaker 1: old for this, like Danny Glover said, I'm getting too

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Speaker 1: old for this ship. And uh, that's pretty much it.

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Speaker 1: Like if I were to get as loaded as I

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Speaker 1: one night because I'm too old. And your drug was alcohol. Yeah, now,

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Speaker 1: I said, uh, what would you do, she said, I'd

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Speaker 1: all Thatwhoever, being the president of the White House and

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Speaker 1: the era, you know, what was going on in the

424
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: country isn't like today. Although I was in your bathroom

425
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: and I did see the Trump toilet paper, which yeah,

426
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Speaker 1: Oh it would be fun to dose him. Oh lord god,

427
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: that would be fun if I could stay around and watch. Okay,

428
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Speaker 1: So you so, Finch sounds like a finishing school. It is.

429
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: And if you how long is ro Could you have

430
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: gone for four years if you wanted to? Yeah? But

431
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: you then how did you decide to leave there? I

432
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: went with a friend of mine from Finch on the

433
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: Easter vaccasion. We went to Nassau, and I thought, oh,

434
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: this is fantastic. So University of Miami's real close to Nassau.

435
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: So next year I went to university and I'm a

436
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: screw off. I'm not this big academic. I just went

437
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: as you're supposed to go to college, and why not?

438
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: It was fun. And so then after University of Miami,

439
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: you went to another college? Right? No, then I went

440
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: I went home to in the summer, to San Francisco.

441
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: But San Francisco was starting to have all this stuff happening,

442
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: and I thought, this is way better. Okay, so you

443
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: never graduated from college and your daughter did you care

444
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: if she went to college? No, she can do whatever

445
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: she wants. Okay. Now she was famously on TV at

446
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: age sixteen on MTV. Yeah, you think that was a

447
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: good or a bad thing. I think it was good.

448
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: I just wish she had kept You have to maintain

449
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: uh stuff in jobs, whether you're a dentist or your

450
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: work at a grocery store or your rock and roll.

451
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: To stop working and then try to pick it up

452
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: later and then stop where you can't do that, you

453
00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: have to maintain. So if she had maintained, she got

454
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: job on the number one show at the time, which

455
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: is Home Improvement. So but she said she couldn't really

456
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: handle it because it was too much stress and stuff

457
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: like that. And to be an actor actress, she really

458
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: do have to be dedicated, she said, I'm not dedicated enough. Okay,

459
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: So you moved back to if you can remember what

460
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: you already moved back to San Francisco. Uh do you

461
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 1: mean from college? That would be fifty nine or sixty.

462
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm younger than you, and I remember the everybody is

463
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: not everybody, but a lot of people. I remember the

464
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: sixties being explosive. What were the fifties like? Uh, leave

465
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: it to Beaver? So it was really like that, Yeah, Eisenhower,

466
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: leave it to Beaver. And Uh, A lot of us

467
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: people my age went to a certain amount of school

468
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: either to were four years of college usually. And if

469
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: you read you read say about Turn of the Century

470
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: in Paris, Alice b Chkalis, uh Daga Lev, the dancer, Picasso,

471
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: all those people turned the art world on its head.

472
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: And they were sitting around having a pot brownies that

473
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Speaker 1: Alice would make. They were accepting of her being a

474
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Speaker 1: lesbian with Gertrude Stein, and we read about that. Did

475
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: that look like way better than leave it to beaver.

476
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: Of course it did. So that made a lot of

477
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: us open up and very liberal, which I am to

478
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: this day. The Republican Party has a list of people

479
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: where they live and how much money they make, so

480
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: they have for years called here or written here, and

481
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: I just laugh. I said, look, I am a socialist Democrat,

482
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: so you're calling the wrong person. And I've been that

483
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: for since I was about twenty two or three. Maybe. Okay,

484
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: so who's your candidate in the election. I'm a Democratic side. Well,

485
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: my friend and I kind of argue about this because

486
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: and I think she may be right. She said the

487
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: deal is to beat Trump, of course, and she said

488
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: Biden is the only one who can do that. But

489
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: I like, uh, Biden's Now I shouldn't say this because

490
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: he's probably younger than I am, but he's old like

491
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: he was. He's been stumped a couple of times. He

492
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have that fast reaction. I like Conala Harris. She's

493
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: from California. She's real sharp, she knows how to come back,

494
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: and she will come back at you. Budaja amazing mind.

495
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: Rhodes scholar done a military time. The guy's amazing and

496
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: Warren's got good plans. So all three of them. But

497
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: in order to beat uh Trump, it might have to

498
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: be Biden because people like who they're familiar with. About

499
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: Bernie and Bernie, I think he's too far left for

500
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: most people. No, he's not too far left for me. Okay,

501
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: let's go back to the sixties. So you go back

502
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: in fifty nine San Francisco. Is it palpable? I didn't.

503
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: I was living on the East Coast where it's uptight.

504
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: It was palpable. Something was going on. No, not. In

505
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: fifty nine, the shift was going between beat nick and hippie.

506
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: Now I hate to use those they're kind of silly words,

507
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: but they do disparaging whatever they do describe a certain

508
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: way of thinking or mail you or whatever you want

509
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: to call it. So is shifting from the Beatni thing

510
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: up at North Beach to hippie and it was you

511
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: could tell that things were kind of shifting. Wasn't there yet,

512
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: but you could tell you could feel it. So you

513
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: go back to Berry and you're doing what every day?

514
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm a model because I have no skills. Okay, how

515
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: do you feel as someone who's intelligent and outspoken being

516
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: paid for your looks. I thought it was very strange

517
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: because I have short legs, kinky dark hair, and no tits.

518
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: Now no tits is good for a model, but short

519
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: legs and kinky dark hair is not good. Uh. So

520
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: I would straighten my hair by wrapping it around my

521
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: head after I washed it. That's a big roller which

522
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: will straighten out your hair without ruining it. A lot

523
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: of people ironed their hair. That's stupid, you ruin your hair. Uh.

524
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: And the long legs. At the time that I was modeling, uh,

525
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: skirts came down below the knee anyway, so nobody knew

526
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 1: how short my lower legs were the only thing they

527
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: didn't like about me was that it's I have a

528
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: big head, apparently, and it was very hard to get hats.

529
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: What happens is when you are going on a runway,

530
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: you come up to just before you're about ready to

531
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: go on, they give you gloves and hat and jewelry,

532
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: and they give me the gloves, fine hat. Uh, no good.

533
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't get the cat on my head because my

534
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: head's too big. But they were fairly nice about everything.

535
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: I worked for uh Madam Moon, who was couterier department

536
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: at i'magnets. She was actually French, and she the only

537
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: reason she liked me is because I can look French

538
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: because of the dark hair and pointing face and all

539
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. In those days, bottling was a

540
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: lucrative correct well, it's not look at it for a

541
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: person who's only five seven, but it worked for floor modeling,

542
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: which is what I was doing. What I had to

543
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: do was change my clothes every ten minutes. And I

544
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: was working in the criterier department, so I had some

545
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: beautiful stuff to wear. But you change your clothes every

546
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 1: ten minutes. You wander around and all these old, fat,

547
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: rich ladies who look like I do now would come

548
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: up and feel the material, and you know, do that

549
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: and that's what you do all day. Really, what did

550
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: you end up with any of those clothes? Oh? No,

551
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: they were like ten tho dollars a suit. Are you

552
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: kidding something? No? Okay, So how do you meet Jerry Slick?

553
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: Jerry Slick his mother was my mother's best friend. And

554
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: it's very fifties if you look at it, Uh, sideways,

555
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: And I do like Jerry Slick. He's very bright and

556
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: he's funny, and uh, I've known him damn, since I

557
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: was about ten. Really, we didn't go together. He went

558
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: with my friend Asia. Her name was Darlene at the time,

559
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: she changed it to Asia. Um, he went with her

560
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: for a while. Uh, but I didn't. I didn't go

561
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: out with him until I was older. The whole when

562
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: you first started to go out with Okay, So you

563
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: say you lost your virginity at seventeen, was that to

564
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: a boyfriend or you just wanted to lose your virginity? No,

565
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: Dave Hunter, he's my boyfriend, and uh I ran into

566
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: him about thirty years later. He was selling furniture at

567
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: a department store and I looked at him and I thought, God,

568
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: he looks familiar. Dave. Yeah, it's me Dave. Okay, So

569
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 1: before you meet Jerry, before you start up with Jerry,

570
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: had you played the field. I don't know if we Yeah,

571
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: I guess maybe we called it that. I don't know. Uh.

572
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: Let's see, before Jerry, I was going out with Stanford

573
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: Boys because I was at Castella, So, uh, I would

574
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: go out with the Delta cap As song. My father

575
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: was in that fraternity, and I thought, well, that's a

576
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: good idea. They're also big drinkers, so am I so

577
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: you were a big drinker at that age, well, seventeen. Yeah,

578
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: I started it at fifteen, but not on a regular basis. Uh. Well,

579
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: I went to college in the Hindu Lands and Vermont

580
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: in the Old Asian before the Internet, etcetera. And then

581
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 1: you end up drinking a lot. Nothing. Drinking was taboo

582
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: in my life because my father owned a liquor store.

583
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: But I got to the point where I didn't drink

584
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: every night. But if you wanted you to have the

585
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: best night your like, call me. Okay. I tried, but

586
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: then you realize, you know, the best night of your

587
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 1: life is rare, you know, and you're you know, getting drunk.

588
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: I end up getting I won't tell the story of

589
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: how I ended up giving up drinking. That's for another time.

590
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: But okay, with these boys, you said earlier, a horn dog.

591
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 1: Is there sex with these fraternity boys? Uh, let's see.

592
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: Not no, because I didn't lose my virginity until I

593
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: was seventeen, and that was graduation night. Graduation night, and

594
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: that was not a Stanford boy. Was their furniture sissument?

595
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: Was that a good experience? I don't know, because I

596
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: blacked out. They probably call that rape today. Both me

597
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: and my friend who was in the next bedroom with

598
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: her date. But both of us lost the same night,

599
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: and we both in the morning looked at each other

600
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: and went, uh, because we couldn't remember. Now, that's what

601
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: drinking I'll do for you. Your first time supposed to

602
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: be magical on everything, I can't remember. Okay. So when

603
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: you meet Jerry, had you had sex with a lot

604
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: of guys before that? Uh? No, not really? Okay, So

605
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: you meet Jerry, how do you decide to marry Jerry?

606
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. We just started going out and it

607
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: seemed like a natural thing to do. And it's also

608
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: very there's a fifties hangover in it in that. Oh

609
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: here's mother's my mother's best friend. We both come from

610
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: Palo Alto, we're both the same age, we both so

611
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: there's there's a little fifth hangover. Okay, but you're a

612
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: very atypical woman, and it seems like you're a typical

613
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: from day one. No, you were not. No, I'm pretty

614
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: standard up to about age twenty three, four four, I

615
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: start getting weird. Okay, before you get weird. When you

616
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: marry Jerry, do you think it's gonna be forever? I

617
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: assume so yeah, I got married in the uh big

618
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: cathedral in San Francisco called Grace Cathedral, which I told

619
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: my parents when I was four. I said I'm gonna

620
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: get married there, and I did because I'm stubborn and

621
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: uh but so it was. You can see from this

622
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm pretty standard for a long time. Let's clean up

623
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: the thing for one second. You have siblings, Yes, I

624
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: have a brother and brother younger younger. He lives in

625
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: a park in a sleeping bag and has for as

626
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: long as I can remember. He's paranoid, schizophrenic and slightly retarded,

627
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: and he's very sweet. He doesn't hurt anybody. He lives

628
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: right next to the police station because he's paranoid. But

629
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: that's a perfect place for somebody like him to live

630
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: because nobody will hassle him. And he is one of

631
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: the town uh eccentrics, you know that every town has him.

632
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: Lives in Palato, and because he's uh paranoid, he won't

633
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 1: leave Palato. Now was he ever institutionalized? Only once? About

634
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: forty years ago. He pushed the girl off her bicycle

635
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: and they said why, and they said, because the wheels

636
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: were talking to me. Then he went to a mental

637
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: institution for I don't know, six months. But he's never

638
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: been in a hospital either. No, because he uh doesn't

639
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: carry a card. He doesn't know where and if you

640
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: tell him, he forgets it. Where the s S I

641
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: is to collect money. So my parents left a trust

642
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: for him, which lasted up to about five years ago.

643
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: Now I'm supporting him and I send him actual money

644
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: because he can't cash a check because he can't prove

645
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: who he is to him. I send it in uh

646
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: envelopes so he could go to the post office. I

647
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: have a post office box in Palato because obviously he

648
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: can't get one. I have one. I send it to

649
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: myself and then uh, he gets some money that way.

650
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: And how long has he been homeless? He has been

651
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: uh Skip and Eye my ex husband Skip and I

652
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: tried to get him an apartment a couple of times,

653
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: but he makes him kind of crazy because he's it's

654
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: too claustrophobic for him, so he'd prefer to sleep outside.

655
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: He's not doing it because there's no money. He just

656
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: doesn't like being I don't know. I guess he wanders around,

657
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: you know, and looks at stuff, and he eats because

658
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: he has enough money to eat and uh goes two movies,

659
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: I imagine, I don't know. And was this heart break

660
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: for your parents? Well? Yeah, I think so because he

661
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: was kind of he would be occasionally verbally kind of

662
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: violent with them. He's never done it with me, but uh,

663
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: it's unpleasant. It is sad to have a kid who's

664
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: screwed up and there's nothing you can do about it. Right, Okay,

665
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: start to get weird? What does that look like? I

666
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: will take whatever drugs I want, I will have sex

667
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: or whoever I want. I will stop working as a

668
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: model and form a rock and roll band with Jerry

669
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: Slick and Darby Slick and a couple other guys. Uh. Okay,

670
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: So Jerry, he graduates from school. What do you once

671
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: you quit modeling? What are you doing for money? Uh?

672
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 1: Then we started, uh a rock and roll band called

673
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: Great Society, and that progressively made more money. Yes, not

674
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: a monster amount, but more money. And uh, Jerry Slick

675
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: is I think still a cinematographer. That's what he was

676
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: going to San Francisco State four. Do you have no

677
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 1: contact with him? Sometimes? Yeah? Sometimes I talked to him. Okay,

678
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: so you start the band in what year? Good question?

679
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 1: Sixty five four. Okay, Now, what does Jerry think about

680
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: you sleeping with whomever you want and taking whatever drugs

681
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: you want. I'm not sure how aware he was of it,

682
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: because I didn't flaunt this stuff in front of him.

683
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: But he played drums in the Great Society. His brother

684
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: played guitar. And then we had other friends David Minor

685
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: and uh Dutch name Van something really anyway, Uh we

686
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: made some money with that man. And then the oddly

687
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 1: enough dark haired Norse which is what I am Norwegian Swedish,

688
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: uh the and s she Sydney Anderson. But before we

689
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: get there, okay, how did you side to be a

690
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: musician to be a singer? Because I went to see

691
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:09,959
Speaker 1: Jefferson Airplane play at a uh nightclus small club called

692
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: the Matrix, and I looked up and I said, that

693
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 1: looks like more fun than modeling. My mother was a singer.

694
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: I can do that. Because you're young and stupid, you know,

695
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: you figure, Yeah, okay, okay, it's kind of like the

696
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: late seventies early eighties in Los Angeles. Now at that

697
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: time in you talk about in the fifties hangover, you

698
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 1: get married, etcetera. It's not because they talk sixty seven

699
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: is the summer of love? What is going on in

700
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 1: San Francisco? When does it start to change? I'd say

701
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: around sixty four ish. I wouldn't want to bet on it,

702
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: but I think it's around sixty four ish. Uh, because

703
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: probably of Beatles and some folk guys. Uh. There was

704
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: called Jefferson Airplane. Before where I was in it was

705
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: called folk rock, and it was still some folk rock,

706
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: but it got a little harder, got into hard rock.

707
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: But people started forming bands because it looked like more

708
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: fun than what they were doing at the time. For

709
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: those people who didn't do that. The heat Ashbury aware

710
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 1: of that whole scene, and uh, some people were making

711
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: clothes for instance. Some people were uh making music. Some

712
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 1: people were having uh medical you set up medical thing,

713
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: help for people with no money. Some people were making newspapers,

714
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: the oraticle. Some people were getting into politics as much

715
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: as they could. You know, everybody was doing stuff. Now,

716
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: there was a guy named Emmett Grogan. Did you know him?

717
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: I met Emmett, but now I didn't know him. He

718
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: wrote a famous book called Ringle Leavio. We talked about

719
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: He had a freak chen, but he actually stole all

720
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: the food. Was interesting what happens. So you're with great Society.

721
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: Great society makes a record, right sort of? Yeah, who

722
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: pays for that? Let's see. I think it was offered

723
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: Big Daddy Tom Donohue DJ heard us and he offered

724
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: he had a Sun Studios I think that was the

725
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: name of it um and he got sly Stone to

726
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: come and help us. Now we were really pretty lame musicians.

727
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: I mean what we did was Jerry had a set

728
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: of drums, so you're the drummer. You have a guitar,

729
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: so you're the guitar, you know, and uh, but sly

730
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: Stone could play any instrument you hand him. Well, so

731
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: he helped us and at one point he just stopped

732
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: the thing and said, look, I'll do this and he

733
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 1: would run played all thing. Now he can't sing because

734
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: it if he sang, and they said that's great, Like

735
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: so I had I did sing, but it was never

736
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: a record until after White Rabbit and Somebody Love came out.

737
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: We got pretty famous and uh, and then they went

738
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: back and researched. You know, can we okay with sly

739
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: Stone because now he seems like, you know, off off

740
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: the grid mentally? Was he on it? Then he's on

741
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: he was right here. Okay, so now you're saying you're

742
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: in the Great Society and you hear about Sydney. Yeah,

743
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: the bass player who That's one of the things I

744
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: liked the most about Airplane is Jack Castie's bass playing.

745
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: He was a lead guitar player before, so the way

746
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: he played bass wasn't just doom doom doom. It was

747
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: all over the place, and this sustained notes that were

748
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: just beautiful. He came up and asked if I wanted

749
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: to join a band. Two of the members of Great Society.

750
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: We're going to India because it was popular at the time,

751
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: study sitar and his lead singer Sidney Anderson was going

752
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: to Oregon to have babies and be married. Do you

753
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: want to join the band? Oh? Yes, I do. Now

754
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: doesn't this leave Jerry out? Yeah? But Jerry's going to

755
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: film school. He's not a like a guy who's sitting

756
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: around saying all I want to do is play the drums.

757
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: He's more of a cinematonity. But you're still together then yes, Okay,

758
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: So you go to the Airplane and famously you bring

759
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: Somebody to Love and White Rabbit. How developed were those

760
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: successful songs for the Great Society when you played live

761
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: with those your key songs. Uh, I guess so we

762
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: had we wrote our own songs. I think the only

763
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: thing I did that was somebody else's was uh some

764
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: Sally go around the Roses. I don't know, but I

765
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: wrote songs. Father Bruce was about Lenny Bruce. Uh. Okay?

766
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: Was there a dream to become internationally famous or you know?

767
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: I was just doing it because it was fun and

768
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: I could. You know, It's the same reason people climb

769
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: efforts because I can. Okay, So you joined the Airplane,

770
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: which already has a record contract and it always has

771
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: already put an album out, Yes, and you immediately start

772
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: to gig with them, right, yeah? And then when does

773
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: it come up with the idea to make an album

774
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: with you in the band? About two minutes because we

775
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: had played uh to the album only took a couple

776
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: of weeks. H surrealistic pillow because we had played all

777
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: those songs live, so it wasn't hard to get them right.

778
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: We've already done it. Who is the producer of that record?

779
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: Rick d starts with a d Okay, I don't remember,

780
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: but he didn't really. He was kind of just in

781
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: the room uh, uh, Schmidt did Al Schmidt did most

782
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: of the production because the director or producer or whatever

783
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: you call him, God love him. What's mostly having some alcohol?

784
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: And uh, you're working for R C A Records. It's

785
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: not known as a strong label. But how controlling of

786
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: they of you were? They? They were fantastic with freedom,

787
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: artistic freedom. They're not so good with promotion. I kept

788
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: badgering them. I said, you've got to put this in

789
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: People magazine. Oh, we have a full page in in Billboard.

790
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: Everybody in Billboard gets the album for what Billboard? Who

791
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: cares you know? So he got a badroom. Okay, so

792
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: you weld if you're involved in marketing and business from

793
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: day one. M h, just the stuff. I was aware

794
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: of it. Okay, So you make the album, are you

795
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: aware when it's done, before it's release, that it's going

796
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: to be a legendary smash? No, we thought I would

797
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: do okay, but no, I had no idea. Okay, and

798
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: then when when did you realize something was starting to happen?

799
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: Take Away went on the road. We would have been

800
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: paying more attention to that. Then record sales, I can't

801
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: remember you heard your song on the radio. That must

802
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: have been a thrill. Everybody said it was a thrill. No,

803
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: I can't remember the first time I heard it, but

804
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: I can remember hearing the Beach Boys. She's given me

805
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: good violent. That was a stunning piece of work. That's

806
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: an amazing song. I remember where I was. I was

807
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: on sunset, I was headed west and I was just

808
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: stopped me in my tracks. But I can't remember where

809
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: I was when I heard my own soul. Okay, but

810
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: overnight you become a long baby with Janis Joplin. But

811
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: she was, You were considered beautiful, and that was her

812
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: beauty was not something that translated to the world at large.

813
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: What was it like to become an overnight icon? I

814
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: didn't really know I was an overnight icon. I was

815
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 1: I was a singer. I knew we were doing well,

816
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: but it's a hell band and there are a whole

817
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: bunch of other bands doing well. It was a group,

818
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: seemed like a group, huge group of people more or

819
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 1: less the same age, saying the same thing. Uh, And

820
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: so I didn't single myself out of that large group.

821
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: That's the Rolling Stones, the Beetles, uh, Momas and Papas

822
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: you know across the Stones, Nash and young Janis. Uh,

823
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: you know the British groups could change all those you

824
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: know from the outside, all those groups are happening. Yeah,

825
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: but you're the most famous woman in rock and roll.

826
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: You must go places and people say, you know, there

827
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: must be opportunities, people must be coming onto you. That

828
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: must happen relatively rapidly. The only person came on or

829
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: did anything it was David Anderley. He came up and

830
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: he wanted to take me out of airplane and do

831
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: start doing solo stuff. And I know what that is

832
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: that somebody else wants to program my ship. No, thank you.

833
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: I prefer being with people of like mind. And uh,

834
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a I didn't want to

835
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: be a solo artist. Apart from Marty, you know. I

836
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: like the input Jack and Yarma blues. Marty sings love songs.

837
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm kind of sarcastic political and Paul has lets everybody

838
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: go into the moon, uh space guy. So I like

839
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: the fact that it was a smartest board. Did everybody

840
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: get along at that point? At that point? Yeah, But then,

841
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: as often happens in groups, everything so well, my stuff

842
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: is better than your stuff or our stuff is all equal.

843
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 1: But I want to go off and do my stuff.

844
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: So that happens at all all not really know. It's

845
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: driven by Jack and Yorma are more blues oriented and

846
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: they really hate all the publicity of posing and having

847
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: We did two weeks of nothing but publicity at one

848
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: time in New York and we were staying at Chelsea

849
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: and uh, Jorma wrote a song called third Week at

850
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: Chelsea that is his statement about this is stupid. We're

851
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 1: not doing music, we're posing, you know. So they don't

852
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: like that. Uh, Marty was okay with it. I think

853
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: Marty at one point wanted to be more kind of

854
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: Elvis Presley ish type of deal. And Uh, Paul likes

855
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: the group arrangement to he he enjoyed that, so he

856
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: didn't want to split split it up. And Jack and

857
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: you Harmer took a off to go speed skating in

858
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: I think Finland or somewhere, but we didn't know which

859
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: country they were in. They were gone for a year.

860
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 1: So Paul and I just started making music together. Okay,

861
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: before we get to that second album. After Bathing at Baxters,

862
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: we had a number of radio successes on it. Surrealistic Pillow,

863
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: did you consciously try to make a radio success on

864
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: the next record. We we made what we wanted to make,

865
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: and port Rcia was still paying for studio time. And

866
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: it took after being battors because we hadn't practiced any

867
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: of those they were new songs. It took a long

868
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: time to make it, and because the UH instruments were

869
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: a lot of that electronic stuff was new coming out,

870
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 1: so he tested out and so let's see if this works,

871
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: and well, no, we have to run it through that

872
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: board or something. So it took a while to make.

873
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: Now San Francisco sounds a week. You were the first

874
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: act that made it. There isn't any San Francisco sound.

875
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: I don't understand. This is what labeled by the society,

876
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: by the press, by Sanrancisco seen, but not sound. So

877
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: there's the Dead, there's Quicksilver, there are other charge Yeah.

878
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: Are you friends with all those people? Yeah? Asa cops.

879
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: We didn't see him on a regular basis because we

880
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: have to work. And after the records came out Janesis

881
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 1: and I Think and big Brotherren and our first record,

882
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: then the record company puts you on the road to

883
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: sell a thing. So then I didn't see anybody because

884
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: I was always on the road, did you or did

885
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: you like being on the road. Yeah, it's okay. My

886
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: favorite part though, is creating a song in the studio.

887
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: I love that. That's my favorite. But yeah, and I'm

888
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: okay on the road. And at the time, you were

889
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: going by what kind of vehicle? Airplanes? Sometimes when we

890
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: first started, it was cars. And that was the only

891
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: time I've ever had penis envy. And it's because you

892
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: didn't have to stop for a guy if he had

893
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: to go to the bath There's a lot of cars.

894
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: There's a lot of cars. You know, there's equipment in

895
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: this car and to three of us in that car,

896
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: and for so the whole thing has to stop if

897
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: I have to go to the bathroom, because I can't

898
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: just hang it out the window. So I thought, damn,

899
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: this is inconvenient. Um, But you have cars, trucks, airplanes, buses, anything.

900
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: So when you would get to a town, because you'd

901
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: go on to Finch and you had some sophistication. Would

902
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: you ever partake of the culture in the sound No,

903
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: because we didn't have enough time. Really, the guys would

904
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: sometimes after a job, they'd go to a late night

905
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: club and play, but that's mostly blues and I'm not

906
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: really a blues person because I prefer to sing about

907
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: what I know and what I've lived rather than And

908
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 1: I may be negative about it, but I understand it.

909
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: But for me to try and act like I'm black

910
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: seems stupid. Let's stop on something you said. You said

911
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: you may be negative. It sounds like you've got a

912
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: lot of criticism in your life for being negative. Oh no, no,

913
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: this one I'm I'm talking about. I may be negative

914
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: on purpose about aspects of the fifties. Oh, I got it,

915
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: so or something I don't like in the sixties and seventies,

916
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: some politicians, some way of conducting yourself, some something. So

917
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: my stuff is like, okay, sun cuts loose from the

918
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: frozen until it joins with the African sea. In moving

919
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: it changes it's cold and its name and it does

920
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: it means shipped to a tree and you're you're good.

921
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: R c A. Let me do it. They were very

922
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: good with art. I remember that was one of the

923
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: first records that and ultimately m C five that got

924
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: censored where there was actually profanity. Yeah, so up against

925
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: the wall, motherfucker. Yeah that's Paul. Yeah, and he got

926
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: away with that. The only time that we were questioned

927
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: was when Paul insinuated that Jesus and Mary Magdalen had

928
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: a thing going on. And the president of our ci

929
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: A at that time was Catholic. So they argued every day,

930
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: and Paul had the tapes of it. I don't know

931
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: where those tapes aren't today, but Paul tapes from them

932
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: arguing back and forth. Uh, really, come on, you let

933
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: me say, I don't mean shied to a tree and

934
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: up against the woman and you're worried about whether he

935
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: insinuated that. Come on. So that was the only time

936
00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: they've ever stopped us. Okay, Now, what was it like

937
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,919
Speaker 1: being the only woman on the road amongst a group

938
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: of guys? Nice well experiand upon that. I pretty much

939
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: loved it because they're musicians. Most of them are funny,

940
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: so they're fun to be around. And uh, it's always

941
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: good if you are walking around with Uh not only that,

942
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: because you've got the crew and you know, walking around

943
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of guys around you, you don't get accosted. Right,

944
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: But to what degree now you're famous, are people recognizing

945
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: you and wanting something? It was I cannot remember it

946
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: being really difficult now I'm sure, uh, Taylor Swift or

947
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: whoever has to have a whole bunch of goons around her.

948
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: But at the time, we just you handle it and

949
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: you learn to handle it. In other word, Jannis knew

950
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: how to handle it. If I was alone, I didn't

951
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: like you. You knew about it. Okay, you decide to

952
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: cut volunteers. Did you say to yourself, Okay, we're gonna

953
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: make a big statement or we're just making another album. No,

954
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: it's it's making another album. But we didn't get together

955
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: as a group and say, okay, let's all say this.

956
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,919
Speaker 1: It still was Armor rights certain amount of music. Paul

957
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: writes a certain amount, I write a certain amount. Marty right,

958
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: certain amount. Jack didn right and didn't. Spencer didn't really right.

959
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: So it was the four of us. The album was

960
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: seemed to speak to the uh goings on in the

961
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: nation and preach some sort of action revolution or something

962
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, because that's our experience at that time.

963
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: So we're talking about our own experience. Okay. So Bill Graham,

964
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: who became your manager for a period, he said that

965
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: as soon as you the group got any money, they

966
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: want to go back to the home and get stoned

967
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: and wouldn't work again until they ran out of money

968
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: or drugs. Is that an accurate representation? No? But I

969
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: do like Bill Graham and he's uh, he was not

970
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: interested in getting loaded. He was a little bit older

971
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: than we were, but he's real good promoter. And uh,

972
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: I think the whole San Francisco thing, I don't know

973
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: about New York that's uh velvet underground and whatever. But

974
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: I think he didn't like it because it's not business

975
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: like and it doesn't get anything done, you know. But no,

976
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: we we kept writing. I mean, we didn't stop. We

977
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: didn't stop working here. And why did you let go?

978
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: Let Bill Graham go? Well, he had us playing at

979
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 1: one point three different towns in one day. You get

980
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: an airplane, you go you play here, you get an airplane,

981
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: you go to the I'm sorry, we didn't want to die.

982
01:02:56,320 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 1: You know. That's that's pushing it too much. Let's do

983
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: it normally, like you play maybe five jobs a week,

984
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: and you take off one day in the middle of

985
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: that and then another day in the three days or

986
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: something so you can wash your clothes, so you can regroup.

987
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: You don't push it like that, you know. So didn't

988
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: he say he was willing to work with you and

989
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: have you work less. No, he wants to push it.

990
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: So we got which was a mistake because he's a

991
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: sweet man, but not a businessman. A friend of Marty's

992
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: who was a copy boy at the San Francisco Chronicle

993
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: and he was our UH tour manager early on UH

994
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: and he was promoted to manager. But boy, in the

995
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: music business, you've got to have a little shrewd going

996
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: on in there and a little bit of killer too,

997
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: you've gotta you know. And he was the guys at

998
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: the record company loved him. Everybody loved him because he's

999
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: fun to hang out with. Yeah, sweet man. Just I

1000
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: can't say enough good stuff about him, except that he

1001
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: was in a position that he was not suited for. Okay,

1002
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: how did you all decide to live in one house?

1003
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: We didn't all live anywhere. The house that was our

1004
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: office occasionally. Yeah, it's a five story Victorian, so occasionally

1005
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: if somebody's having a fight with their girlfriend, they'd stay

1006
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: there or something. And Paul I think lived there for

1007
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,919
Speaker 1: about six months. But we didn't all live in that house. Okay,

1008
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: so you're still living with Jerry part of the time.

1009
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: Then I started hanging out with and lived with Spencer Dryden. Okay,

1010
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: so what did Jerry say about that I had gone?

1011
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: I just went on the road and never came back

1012
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: one of the road trips, and I forget which one

1013
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: it was. And he didn't try to get you back.

1014
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: He did, wasn't unhappened? No, he he probably thought the

1015
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: hell with her? Uh, for good reason. I think I

1016
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: got a letter in the mail about six months after

1017
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: China was born, where when I was living in Bellinas,

1018
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: one that said, you're divorced? Is that easy? And neither

1019
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: he or Skip Johnson went for the fifty fifty California

1020
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: law thing. Both very upstanding human beings. Speaking to which

1021
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in the airplane, six people whatever.

1022
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: Was there enough money to do? What? Well? He kept

1023
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: the engine going, Yeah, could you bank anybody? Yes? And

1024
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: I did. My father is a concern, was conservative Republican

1025
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: investment banker. But I figured he knows more about banking

1026
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: than I do. So he said, I know you don't

1027
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: care about business and numbers and all that, but I'll

1028
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: tell you it's something that's easy. One third one third

1029
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: and one third one third, you save one third, you

1030
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: pay all your bills and the last goes between having

1031
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: fun and maybe extra payments on something. So if you

1032
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: do that, you'll be okay. So I've done that ever since. Okay,

1033
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: so over sixty seventy years. So you end up playing Monterey.

1034
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: Oh that was wonderful. Wonderful because it was well planned.

1035
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: The weather was good. You could get to a toilet

1036
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: within about four minutes. All the acts were good, the

1037
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: audience was happy. The stuff that they sold on the

1038
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: outer around the edge of the where it was we're

1039
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:42,919
Speaker 1: all handmade stuff, and uh, the little newspapers. I mean,

1040
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: it was just and we saw people that we've never seen.

1041
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: We'd heard them, like I'd heard Jimmy hendrickson record, I'd

1042
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: heard the Who on record. I'd heard Robbie Shankar, but

1043
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 1: I've never seen him. So we were just as odd

1044
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: as like, uh, Mama Cass's face when she saw Janice

1045
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,919
Speaker 1: Choplin is a real good example of what was going

1046
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 1: on there with the musicians and the audience. Just wow.

1047
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: So you were sitting in attendance, you performed, but also

1048
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: you checked every act out. Oh yeah, okay, and did

1049
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: you realize acts like uh, Laura Nero and Hendrix and

1050
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: who would blow up after that? Uh well Hendrix we

1051
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: knew was go to the Moon and who uh Laura

1052
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: near are not so much? Uh this is my opinion,

1053
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: of course, only not anybody else's. And Robbie Sharenka was

1054
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: already uh genius, so uh but yeah, we watched each

1055
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: other even when they weren't performing, Like Brian Jones was

1056
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: there backstage. Backstage was fun. There was a lot of fun.

1057
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: So uh, the whole experience of that was fantastic. And

1058
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: wood Stock is the one that gets the most pressed.

1059
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: But wood Stock was a mess. Well I think the

1060
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: problem was the Woodstock movie came out first and the

1061
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: Battery Pop Move film came after that, so it didn't

1062
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: really get the legend. So what was it like being

1063
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: at wood Stock? A mess? In other words, what we

1064
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 1: couldn't see anybody because of the weather. We stayed in

1065
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: a motel and half an hour before we're supposed to

1066
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 1: go on, a helicopter would come pick us up, drop

1067
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: us off backstage, You walk up the stairs, you go,

1068
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: do your set, you walk back, the helicopter takes you

1069
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: back to the hotel and gets next whatever their next

1070
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: deal is. But something went wrong with the equipment so

1071
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,799
Speaker 1: they took us up. We're supposed to play at around

1072
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 1: nine o'clock at night. We were on stage, backstage all

1073
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: night and we played at six o'clock in the morning,

1074
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: or if you don't think rock and roll is weird

1075
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: at five thirty in the morning. But uh so, and

1076
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: the people in the audience or half a million of them,

1077
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:10,560
Speaker 1: are wet, it's raining. You can't get to a bathroom

1078
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: for about a week. I mean, it was just you could.

1079
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: We couldn't watch anybody. Were you going to stand? So

1080
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: it was not good. So it was just big, is

1081
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: all it was. Okay, So it wasn't a good experience

1082
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: from your view, boys, Okay, then you also Jeffer's a

1083
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: Airplane played Altimont and that was really not good. You

1084
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 1: know that we're playing an airplane was on and uh

1085
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 1: I didn't wear my contact lenses that day, and I

1086
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: can sort of see without him, and I saw, I

1087
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: sort of saw this scuffling going on, and I thought

1088
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: that's Marty. And I went back to Spencer and I

1089
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:53,719
Speaker 1: said the drummer, he said, what's going on with Marty?

1090
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: He said, the healthy angels are beating him up? And

1091
01:09:56,439 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: oh good, So that started, Uh, and they punched him

1092
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: and he fell down on the stage floor and the

1093
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 1: guy said, never say fuck you to a Hell's Angel.

1094
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 1: Sobarty says it again and our crew had to come

1095
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 1: and get the health angel. And were you afraid at all? No,

1096
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,719
Speaker 1: because I'm too stupid to be afraid. There's something about

1097
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 1: me that all kinds of you of use of things

1098
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,560
Speaker 1: are going on, and I'm just kind of either observing

1099
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 1: it or being part of it. And I don't know.

1100
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: Later on I looked back and go, jeez, what a fool.

1101
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: But at the time, I I just think everything's going

1102
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 1: to turn out. Okay, I'm kind of dip dip shot. Okay.

1103
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: About a year later, Uh, you get the Blows Against

1104
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,839
Speaker 1: the Empire album. Yeah, how did that come together? That's pauls.

1105
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: But you were involved, right? Yeah? I was involved, But

1106
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: so was Jack Cassidy, David Crosby, Graham Nesh, you know,

1107
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 1: Jerry Garcia, everybody was involved. But you and you were

1108
01:10:56,600 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 1: also involved on Sunfighter, right. Oh. And at this point

1109
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: do you think the band's ever going to come back together?

1110
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 1: I have no idea because we don't even know where

1111
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: Jacking are. We know they're in in Uh one of

1112
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: the Scandinavian countries. We don't we don't know which one.

1113
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 1: They're speed skating there and they come back together. You

1114
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: come back together with Bark. Do you think the band

1115
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 1: is going to go? Are you feeling while we're on

1116
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: fumes at this point, yeah, Bark. You could tell we

1117
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:30,759
Speaker 1: didn't say anything publicly, but you could tell that Bark

1118
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: is not quite as marvelous as it should be. And

1119
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: then long John Silver, Yeah, I mean that from a

1120
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: consumer point, I bought a great packaging, but not a

1121
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: great record. No, Okay, So at this point you think

1122
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: you're done or in the back of your mind you're

1123
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 1: morphing into Jefferson Starship with Paul. Well, it already Paul

1124
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,600
Speaker 1: and I had already done that kind of thing. So

1125
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: I wasn't worried about having a job. Uh you know,

1126
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 1: I don't. I figured I could do that for another

1127
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 1: ten years or something, So I wasn't really worried about that.

1128
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,799
Speaker 1: I just thought it was too bad that we sounded

1129
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: poorly on those records, Okay, on which records? Mark long time? Okay,

1130
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 1: So you say you're in the band, you have a

1131
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: relationship with a drummer, Spencer Dryden, Then how do you

1132
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: end up being with Paul who's been in with the

1133
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 1: band for years? Um, Spencer and I uh split up

1134
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 1: and Spencer started going with my friend UM Sally, who

1135
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: I'm so friends with. She lives in Houston, Texas, that's

1136
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 1: where she's from, and so Spencer went with Sally and

1137
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 1: I didn't go with anybody. But eventually Paul and I

1138
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: got together. I mean, did you always want a child?

1139
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 1: Was it premeditated? No? I just said we were in

1140
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 1: the Shatton and I think in New York. I said

1141
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: to Paul. Because he's so different from me, I thought

1142
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: that that would be interesting, both mentally and physically. He

1143
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: likes to run ship. I don't I want you to

1144
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: do your job. I'll do my job. I don't want

1145
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: to tell you what to do. You don't tell me,

1146
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 1: you know so, But he's just fine telling everybody what

1147
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 1: to do. And I thought, well that's good. He's a

1148
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 1: good management for the band and uh, physically different too,

1149
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 1: So I thought, I said, I'd like to have your child,

1150
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:37,719
Speaker 1: but you don't have to worry about it because I'll

1151
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 1: support it, you know, as a as a child, I'll

1152
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: support the child. So he was pleased with that. He

1153
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: likes children until they develop a sense of logic. Then

1154
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: they're in trouble because he's keeping getting real nasty if

1155
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:58,639
Speaker 1: you have your own opinion, and that happens when you're

1156
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 1: six seven something like that. But he's real good with

1157
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: children that are younger than So after China hits six

1158
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 1: or seven, then it started getting early. Was he still

1159
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: hands on or did he distanced himself. Yeah, no, he'll

1160
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 1: be hands on and he is not physically violent with anybody,

1161
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: but verbally yeah. And then when does it end with

1162
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: Paul must be seventy three? Does an end on its own?

1163
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 1: Or it's because it's because Skips in the picture. Skip

1164
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 1: was in the picture, but I don't think Paul knew

1165
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 1: about it because Skip, at one point, about a year before,

1166
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 1: we were in the Midwest in the bar on the

1167
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: main floor of the hotel. There's a lot of Midwest

1168
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 1: turners around. Skip came downstairs to hang out with us

1169
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 1: in my red dress, harry legs, one dollar socks. You know,

1170
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 1: dumb shoes, mustache, hair, need end, act any different. He

1171
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: didn't try to come on like he just acted like Skip,

1172
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 1: straight feet, no, nothing. But Paul thought that any man

1173
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: who put her dress on was probably gay, even if

1174
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: he was trying to be funny, because Paul couldn't imagine

1175
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:19,640
Speaker 1: wearing a dress. So I got away with hanging out

1176
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: with Skiff for about a year because Paul thought he

1177
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 1: was gay. So, oh, that's nice. That's what happened there.

1178
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 1: And then one day I just uh called up our

1179
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 1: truck driver who drove our equipment around and said, come

1180
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 1: on over, I'm going to take a couple of things

1181
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 1: and I'm moving to Saucelito. I'm out of here. And

1182
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 1: he did. Mike Fisher came over and helped me move that. Well,

1183
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: he wasn't very happy, but he's not very good to

1184
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 1: live with either. You know, there's a part of him

1185
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: that's uh uh very sweet and revolutionary and strong and

1186
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: all that kind of their part that's just so nasty

1187
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 1: you don't want to deal with it. I don't know

1188
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 1: where it comes from. China, who is his daughter, said

1189
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 1: he has issues and stuff. The kids use that word now.

1190
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 1: I call her a kid. She's almost fifty, but they

1191
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: say he has issues. Well, everybody has issues. Who you

1192
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,599
Speaker 1: can't act like a jerk just because you have issues.

1193
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 1: If you got issues, go fix them. So I don't

1194
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 1: want to live with people who have issues and don't

1195
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 1: want to fix it. Okay, So then you embark with

1196
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,879
Speaker 1: the Jefferson starship and then you have the Monster album

1197
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 1: Red Octopus. Did we anticipate that being as successful as

1198
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 1: it was? No, I have no idea, but that's that's

1199
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: largely Marty's album. But by the same token, you have

1200
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,719
Speaker 1: played on love on that album. Yeah, but that wasn't

1201
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 1: really a single, but he had deepd miracles. Thought about

1202
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: the album of general is a fans I love playoff Love? Well? Good,

1203
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm glad you did okay, and a lot of people

1204
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: like that album was it did well? Okay, And eventually

1205
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 1: Marty drops out, Paul drops out, and you do we

1206
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,759
Speaker 1: built this city. How do you feel about we built

1207
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: this city? No? Thank you? Okay, Okay, here's the deal.

1208
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:29,639
Speaker 1: For me, this is not me I'm right or wrong either.

1209
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 1: It's just I'm more comfortable when the band is writing

1210
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 1: their own songs. We had I think three two or

1211
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 1: three number one hits in the eighties, but they're not

1212
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: our songs and they're dumb. And I love Diane Warren.

1213
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 1: But nothing's gonna stop us now. I think a MC

1214
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: truck will nail you right in the middle of the road,

1215
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 1: and more than fifty of the people get married get divorced.

1216
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 1: What do you mean, nothing's gonna stop us, you know?

1217
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 1: And we built a city on rock and roll. That's stupid.

1218
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 1: What city? There's no city built? Rock and roll is

1219
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 1: too new? What are you talking? London has been around forever.

1220
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 1: San Francisco is built on gold and shipping. L A's

1221
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 1: built on oranges and oil and the movie. And what

1222
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: city are you talking? What are you built a city?

1223
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 1: Everybody thought we were talking about San Francisco. No, it

1224
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 1: was written by Bernie Tappin, and Bernie was talking about

1225
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: the clubs closing in l A. What are you talking?

1226
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 1: Do you supply and demand? This country operates on If

1227
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 1: people want clubs, they will get clubs. The police can

1228
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 1: close up stuff for a short period of time, but

1229
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: you can bet the heavenly city planning fathers want money,

1230
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 1: and you keep those clubs open, they'll open again. Don't

1231
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,560
Speaker 1: worry about it now. Bernie Toppin is an amazing songwriter,

1232
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 1: but we all have our missus. Even though it went

1233
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: to number one, I call it a miss because there's

1234
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: a stupid song. Rolling Stone said it was stupid. I

1235
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:14,440
Speaker 1: agree with him, stupid. How how do you decide to retire?

1236
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 1: I'm imitating myself and that's that's not very artistic. And

1237
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm almost fifty. That's enough because if you continue to

1238
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: do rock and roll after your fifty, it's kind of

1239
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:34,440
Speaker 1: silly because rock and roll is a young person's medium

1240
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 1: that's storming the sit at all, you know, and when

1241
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 1: you're fifty, you ought to be able to You ought

1242
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:42,679
Speaker 1: to be around trying to figure out how to keep

1243
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: the citadel from being hideous, or you ought to try

1244
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: to figure out how to organize the kids who want

1245
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: to storm, you know, be a producer something. But leaping

1246
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 1: around on a stage after your fifty, for me, is

1247
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 1: just not cool. What do you've think about everybody who's

1248
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 1: doing it? Then they're comfortable with it, so but you

1249
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 1: don't judge them. No, they can Everybody can do whatever

1250
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 1: they want except kill people. That's the only thing you

1251
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 1: can't do in rock and roll. So what are you

1252
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: most proud of in your music career? Persistence? Persistence? I

1253
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 1: was talking about specific not characteristics of your identity. There

1254
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 1: aren't specifics because there are parts of a number of

1255
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 1: different songs that I like, but not an entire thing.

1256
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: Like I said, White Rabbit, it's very lucrative for me,

1257
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Speaker 1: but it's not written well because I was aiming it

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Speaker 1: at the parents, and you don't get that when you

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Speaker 1: hear it. So the lyric is not as good as

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Speaker 1: it could be. Uh there. I like parts of of

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Speaker 1: Eskim a Blue Day, but it's too long and it's

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Speaker 1: not as understandable as it could be lyrically music, so

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Speaker 1: I like some songs from a solo album called Dreams,

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Speaker 1: not Airplane, not Starship. So there are chunks of stuff

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Speaker 1: that I like, but I haven't written anything that is

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Speaker 1: good from beginning to end lyrically and musically, I don't think.

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Speaker 1: Do you still listen to your own work? Do you

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Speaker 1: listen to the music at all? Yes? What's currently on

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Speaker 1: my thing is Peter Gabriel's Melted Face album right now

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Speaker 1: is on my That's the best one he ever did,

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Speaker 1: the third Mercury record. So who is the love of

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Speaker 1: your life? Skip Johnson? So why did you get divorced?

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01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 1: Because both of us wouldn't stop working. In other words,

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Speaker 1: he has his stuff production, managing, and I had my stuff,

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Speaker 1: which was rock and roll singer and uh, we're booked

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Speaker 1: in different states most of the time, so it was stupid.

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01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 1: And our accountant called up and saying, you know, you guys,

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Speaker 1: really this is dumb. So we finally got a divorce.

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Speaker 1: But he comes out here since the fire, he's come

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Speaker 1: out here maybe two weeks. Then he'll go back for

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Speaker 1: a month to New Hope, Pennsylvania, which is where he lives,

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Speaker 1: and then he comes out here for two weeks and

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Speaker 1: he works like a maniac around here, fixing stone. Has

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Speaker 1: he ever found a new love. Yeah, he's got a

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Speaker 1: girl lives with him there. Okay, And uh so in

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Speaker 1: terms of your so, how did you get into the painting.

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Speaker 1: I did that before music. I would draw an angel

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Speaker 1: and my parents would make a Christmas card out of it.

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Speaker 1: You know, so I did that before music. So you

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Speaker 1: started doing that after you retired. Yeah, And what point

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Speaker 1: did you say, Okay, I want to show this work

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Speaker 1: and I want to sell this work. I didn't. My

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Speaker 1: accountant knows this agent who also has done handled some

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Speaker 1: of Jerry Garcia's work and some of John Lennon's lithographs.

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Speaker 1: He's not an international agent or anything. So I started

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Speaker 1: working with him do gallery shows, and I did really

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Speaker 1: well in New Jersey and Denver and Sacelito for some reason,

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Speaker 1: but not in San Francisco. And so at this point,

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Speaker 1: you're you're still painting whole frequently every day, every day,

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Speaker 1: And is that stuff still shown up for sale? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's going to be a show in September. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: thee September something at a rock and roll kind of

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01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: art stuff. Because, um, the brain, artistic people can usually

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01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 1: go from genre to genre because all the same part

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Speaker 1: of the brain. A lot of musicians paint. Marty painted,

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01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 1: uh only Stone, Ronnie Wood. He was handled by some

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Speaker 1: of the same galleries. Uh, Jerry Garcia. Uh, you know,

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01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 1: I can David Bowie. That happens a lot. So, um,

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Speaker 1: there's a gallery down here that handles rock crossover. So

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Speaker 1: how do you feel about your artistic work? Are you

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Speaker 1: satisfied with your career? Yeah? I am, because I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: I had a lot of fun, which I include in

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Speaker 1: the enjoyment, in the satisfaction. Uh. If you're if it's

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Speaker 1: a drudge, then you're doing something wrong. Pick something you like,

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Speaker 1: two things, you like it, you're good at it, do

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Speaker 1: that and any regrets only that I never nailed, Jimmy

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01:24:55,000 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 1: Hendrix and Peter O'Toole never learned how to write a horse.

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Speaker 1: I've never been to the Middle East, and I can't

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Speaker 1: do any of those things now, so too bad. What

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Speaker 1: do you think you know, when you're old, you don't

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01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 1: regret what you did. You regret what you didn't do.

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Speaker 1: That's really kind of what I was asking. So I

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Speaker 1: certainly answered that, what do you think about the state

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Speaker 1: of our country? Well, it's sad, uh, But what's really sad?

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Speaker 1: It wasn't not. Donald Trump's a jerk. That that's obvious.

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01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 1: But he's not the problem. The problem is when you

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Speaker 1: realize how many people voted for him, and you go,

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01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 1: holy moly, we are in deep doo doo that many

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Speaker 1: people are thinking that way. That's trouble. So that's what's scary.

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01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 1: He's not scary, he's just a clown, But that many

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01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 1: people voting for him, that's scary. Now, we used to

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01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 1: believe in the sixties and early seventies music could change

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Speaker 1: the world, and certainly you and the Jefferson Airplane push

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01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 1: that envelope. Do you think he made a difference. I

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01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 1: think so. It's it's incremental and it's a spot. It's

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01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,839
Speaker 1: like the fire in Malibu, the spot fires that jumps

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Speaker 1: over here. And this is good, But do you think

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Speaker 1: without the sixties push we could have had Barack Obama?

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01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:22,879
Speaker 1: And we're lucky to have him. He's probably the most elegant,

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Speaker 1: well behaved he and his wife president like ever in

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Speaker 1: my life. Especially good for being born in Africa. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: especially her being from Kenya exactly. But he was just wonderful.

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01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 1: It was so watching him, uh speak, you know, he

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Speaker 1: knows how to do he knew how to do that.

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01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 1: Trump does not to do that. He's a mess. And

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Speaker 1: let me try to figure out how to say this. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's a hideous job, by the way, right, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: don't know why. You know, you grew up. I remember

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01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 1: going to elementary school and they said anybody could be

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01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 1: president in America who wanted to It's like the CEO

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Speaker 1: of the country. That's just crazy. Yeah, that is just no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: And so you obviously mean you're your a unique character,

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Speaker 1: that's for sure. And they broke the mold when they

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Speaker 1: made you. Were you a fan of music in your era? No,

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Speaker 1: I didn't like Elvis Presley because I went over my

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Speaker 1: boyfriend at the time Joe McCarthy, his sister said, you

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Speaker 1: gotta come home, you gotta hear this guy. It was

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01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 1: a forty five black and blue with a picture of

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Speaker 1: a guy going like just on it with yeah, that's

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01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 1: a raised lift for those about a ton of vastline

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Speaker 1: near something in his hair. And I said, oh, that's gross.

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Speaker 1: You ain't nothing but a hound, I said, the stupidest song.

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Speaker 1: I was listening to Edward Greek pier against Suite. I

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Speaker 1: was listening to Rochmaninoff. I was, but if you're who

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Speaker 1: were your favorites? May era? Okay? The when the Beatles

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Speaker 1: first came out somebody, so you gotta come ome and

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01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:15,679
Speaker 1: see the Beatles where there're guys who were twenty five.

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Speaker 1: They're all dressed alike. I want to hold Jim Han.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Uh, But then I saw the Rolling Stones.

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Speaker 1: That that's rock and roll. That's funny because back in

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Speaker 1: that people don't realize there was a big war, either

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Speaker 1: Beatles fan or Stones. Yeah. I was rolling Stones. But

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Speaker 1: then the Beatles flipped over from uh being cutesie and

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Speaker 1: that was their manager's fault. They weren't cutie before that.

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Speaker 1: They were tough boys in Germany that you know with

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01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 1: the black leather jack is every what's his name? Whoever

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Speaker 1: their manager was, Brian Epstein changed that thing? Oh where

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Speaker 1: all those little suits? I'm sorry, they're too old to

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Speaker 1: be that cute. So I didn't like that. But they

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Speaker 1: change because they're not stupid, and they started really writing

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Speaker 1: some good stuff. So I'm both the Beatles and Stones

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Speaker 1: fan after a while. Okay, and you say you're difficult,

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Speaker 1: if I haven't heard that in this conversation, give me

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Speaker 1: a couple of examples where you're difficult. Okay, let me

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01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 1: use the words my mother used to use when she

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Speaker 1: was annoyed. Do you have to be so terse? Do

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01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 1: you have to be so curt with people? So on

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01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 1: terse and Curt? And I told her, well the terse

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Speaker 1: and Kurt is like, I don't like to waste time

1390
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 1: that this. If you're just straight, shoot right into whatever

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Speaker 1: the heart of the problem, I said. I don't want

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Speaker 1: any frills. I don't even wear jewelry. I wear a watch,

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Speaker 1: that's it. I don't like frills. I don't like lacey things.

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Speaker 1: That's not my thing. My daughter's lacy and has birds

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01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 1: on her dresses and stuff that's because that's she's comfortable

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Speaker 1: that way. I'm not so uh Terse and Kurt is

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01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 1: part of the deal. So it doesn't sound like you

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01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 1: suffer fools. Well, I don't know about that phrase, but

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Speaker 1: I'll just go for the jugular and you have legs.

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01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 1: If you don't like it, it's very easy for you

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01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 1: to move. And so with hindsight, do you wish you

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01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 1: handled some interactions in a different way. Let's see whatever.

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01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 1: I would have paid a little more attention to the

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01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 1: business end, the music business because it's called the music

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01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 1: business for a reason, So I would have paid a

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01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:46,720
Speaker 1: little more attention to the business end. Okay, this has

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01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:49,439
Speaker 1: been wonderful. We certainly got insight into who you are,

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01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: which is the number one vision I have with this podcast.

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01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:57,760
Speaker 1: So you're listening to Grace Slick. Grace, thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for doing this. Well, thank you for pulling it out.

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Speaker 1: Until next time, This is Bob left Sense