WEBVTT - Remembering Year One of The Death of Roe Part 2 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:05.640 Welcome to Dick. 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.760 It happened here the podcast for the situation continues to worsen. 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:14.480 The thing that is worstening today is the rights war 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:17.720 an abortion, which they are winning and are continuing to win, 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:22.599 is not contained to simply abortion. It has been spreading. 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:24.880 It has been getting worse. And yeah, with me to 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:28.520 talk about it is Crystal, who once again is an 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:31.680 abortion worker and an abortion union organizer and on the 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.320 on the on the board of a bail fund, not 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:36.280 bail fund Jesus Rist. Sorry, I'm getting my I'm getting 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:39.240 my my funds crossed in my mind on the board 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:42.839 of a of a of a Jesus Christ. 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:46.320 Yeah, okay, sorry, sorry, I probably shouldn't have said that. 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:48.720 No, no, no, no, this is this is entirely my fault because 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.960 we've been doing so much bail fund stuff that I mean, 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.680 they're good. Yeah, it's like when my brain thinks fund, 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:56.560 it just goes to it just goes to bail fund. 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.400 Now all things that are good, Yeah, abortion funds that one, 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:02.920 because just leave that and screw it, you know, like it, Well, 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:04.920 we'll leave we'll leave me doing that in. 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:11.240 H'll do it live RiPP and hell. 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:19.800 Guy who said that, Yeah, yeah, Yeah, Crystal, welcome back. Yeah, 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:21.160 glad to be talking to you again. 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:25.280 Love suffering. I love talking about pain and suffering and 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.040 also the good work that we're doing to mitigate it, 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:29.640 but also pain and suffering. 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:34.240 Yeah, yeah, so I guess yeah, I think we should 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.240 start with sort of I don't know what frame me 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:38.880 as a contagion is the right way to do it. 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.360 I think it's probably not. But the way that the 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.480 sort of the ripple like where where where are the 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:49.800 sort of ripples of uh of of the sort of 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.600 anti portion movements advance have been going. 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.480 Yeah, because you know, if we're talking about you know, 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.520 it's been a year since the jobs decision in Roe v. 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.240 Way was return. You know, what does that mean? What 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.280 does that imply? What have would have been the what 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.400 has been in kind of like the aftermath of that. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.320 The one thing is that, you know, the strategies to 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:14.919 get to that point worked. And I really hate saying 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:17.880 like in terms of like they won or we lost, 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:21.919 because we're all we're in America, we're all losing. We're 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:29.079 all losing here except for the fascists, but so we 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:33.200 we have We're seeing a lot of bad things happening 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:37.320 because of the dab's decision, and that's those strategies worked 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.120 in our current political environment to get us to that point. 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.960 And and I mentioned before you know it's death by 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.560 a thousand cuts is kind of like one of the 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:51.079 ways in which you can describe the strategies like NonStop bands, 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:58.000 NonStop restrictions just a constant onslaught basically uh bands that 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:01.079 are their copycat legislation and you know they're they're being 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.639 pumped out. People can just like literally plug in the 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.600 templates and share them and it can be applied to 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:12.880 a number of different things in different states and copycat legislation. 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:17.800 So it worked, and where we're we are because that 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:22.440 strategy worked and did not get enough resistance. Not enough 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:26.600 was done to combat that strategy on the left with Democrats, 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:31.680 and it immediately spread to the next autonomy based issue 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.639 because and not saying that it didn't start before that, 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:38.960 because you know, these fascists have been going after all 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:43.040 kinds of issues of autonomy for decades, abortion being one 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:48.440 of them, you know, prison, prison abolition being one of them, 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:52.400 and then also trans healthcare and just you know LGBT 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:56.440 in general, but like specifically trans healthcare that we have 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.400 been seeing we are seeing a lot of the same 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:03.920 restrictions and bands uh spreading to that very quickly, like 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:06.400 faster than I. I mean, like I knew things were bad, 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.560 you would think that I would just like, you know, 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.400 expect the worst. But like I, I didn't think that 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:16.080 we would see the legislation for the anti trans health 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:20.280 uh healthcare and gender firming services legislation move as fast 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.040 as it has, like I should have and I didn't, 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:28.720 And it's been incredibly fast, and and it feels so 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:30.680 similar and I should I don't even want to say 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.120 it feels similar. It is. It's when I when I'm 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.400 seeing it happen, I'm like, this is the same thing. 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:40.200 They're using trap laws, which are laws that so uh 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:42.840 target actual providers. I mean, I guess you can't really 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.200 call them trap laws because abortion providers in that. 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:50.880 Trap thing which not going to get it. 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:58.200 Yeah, abortion services, but yeah, but uh, it's the same 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.960 like type of of restrictions and bands, and we're seeing 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.560 them spread to those kinds of health. 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:08.279 Care services, so it's impacting other types of health care services. 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.920 And it's I and I'm seeing a lot of the 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.040 same legal back and forth where it's like, oh, this 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:16.240 law went into effect, like for example, in Florida, and 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.560 oh now it's being challenged in court, so it's it's 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:23.840 not being it's not enforced right now, so it kind 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.560 of goes goes back to the way it does before, 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:31.360 which I mean, it's always good to see a restriction 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:35.599 temporarily paused in a band temporarily paused because that relief 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:39.360 is needed. I see that in abortion care, Like when 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.640 when there is a band that is temporarily reversed by 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:47.640 the courts, it is like, thank, thank god, I'm so happy, 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:50.400 you know, we get some relief. We can we can 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:54.720 see people for their healthcare services tomorrow. However, that back 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:59.159 and forth is incredibly confusing and creates confusion and chaos 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.440 on a and like on a mass scale, because it's 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:04.480 like can I access these services? Can I not accesse 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.320 these services? Can I get at these services in the 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.880 stage where I have to travel out of state? It's 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.840 more than like the individual can keep up with and 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.960 confusion is the point. So like when I'm seeing some 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:20.680 of these bands related to trans health services, I'm like, Okay, 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.200 you know, I'm glad that I'm pretty sure I have 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:24.480 to admit I have not read the news in the 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.320 last couple of days. So I don't know if this 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:28.720 has been walked back, but it seems like Florida has 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.320 some relief right now. But I just know what that 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.640 mass confusion looks like for individuals, and I'm like, this 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.120 is so similar. Oh my god, this is this is 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.800 the same type of fight. This is the same fight. 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:45.040 And I think, you know, because like this is also 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:49.920 another thing with the media is just just like active accomplices, 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.680 Like this, this is a kind of thing where like 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.719 it is really easy to look at this and go 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:01.720 like they're doing this on purpose so they can generate 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.080 fucking horror stories, which I don't think is why they're 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:05.799 doing it. I think they're doing it because they're transphobed. 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:07.680 But you know, like one of the one of the 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:11.880 things is very that's just fucking awful about this stuff 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:15.520 is that like the the people who are reporting on 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:19.560 this don't understand how these laws work, and so you know, 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:21.480 like I mean, like I this is my job, right, 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.040 Like I cover this for a living, and I will 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.480 read a report about something and I can't tell what 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:30.840 the law does because the person writing the fucking there's 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.040 the stupid ass journalists who they've hired, who like have 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.360 never talked to a transperson in their life, and like 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:38.360 are only tangentially aware of what the law is, like 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:42.000 like the concept of the law is something they were 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.000 introduced to two years ago. Like they don't fuck they 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:46.800 don't fucking know what these bills do, right, so you 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:48.520 have to like go actually read the bill. But that 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.480 doesn't help because you know this this is yeah, this 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.120 is like, this is I think a very similar strategy 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:56.400 of like there's there's this way in which like constant onslaught, 0:07:56.520 --> 0:08:02.160 constant sort of confusion, constant terror. And also you know, 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:04.840 and the way that the strategy right now that is 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.920 being sort of relied on the stop this stuff is 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.320 to the courts that that is very similar to what 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:14.120 the entire struggle over abortion biites look like. And you know, 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.040 we know how that ended it. It doesn't it didn't work, 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.080 and it's not going to work with with with transferrts either, 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.800 and like it, and you know, and I think something 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.720 that like we're going to see more of as you know, 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.480 because like water, some of these bands will be struck down, 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:31.560 but you know, you're gonna get the abortion thing where 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:33.760 it's like Okay, so you like one bag gets struck down, 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:35.440 so they pass another one that you just keep passing 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:37.600 them until they can find one that their fucking judges 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:38.760 will make. 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.520 Yeah, and they like reintroduce bills that are like practically 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:43.640 the same thing but like slightly different, and they just 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:50.600 like retry stuff after doing like political shenanigans and and 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.160 and we're still we're still doing the legal back and 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.280 forth approach. And abortion care like it's still the same thing, 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:59.480 like it hasn't changed. And seeing that also happen, it's like, well, 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.360 people need health care now, like with abortion care and 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:06.560 trans healthcare, it's like you need that healthcare when you 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:11.120 need it, like right now, today, tomorrow, and when there 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.600 is confusion and this bad like the because the courts 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:18.319 take forever like it it's and it changes a lot, 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.240 and it's confusing when you see the news stories like 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:23.680 you were saying, So it's interfering and lowering the quality 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.920 of accessing like lowering the quality of that healthcare and 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.080 accessing that health care, like the experience of accessing that 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:34.120 health care now like today. And it's it's cumulative because 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:38.160 like you you lose the ability to keep track of 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:39.679 what you have the right to do and what you 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:44.120 don't and and these are these are the same, Like 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.720 there are issues of controlling your life and your body 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.720 and of privacy as well, you know, your ability. It's 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:54.880 like your business, it's your body, and the state is 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:59.640 getting in the way. And and it hurts so much 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:04.880 to this happening to even more people, because it's it's 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:08.360 hard enough watching what happens to people who need abortions 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:11.199 and seeing what they go through, and then having to 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.280 see even more people who are also trying to access 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.040 healthcare to help them have control over their lives and 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:21.800 their bodies. Also having that, you know, having that impeded 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.960 and and and and taken away from them too with 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.320 a different type of health care, and seeing like that 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:30.680 is just like oh my god, Like not only were 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:36.000 we able, we were not able to maintain these services 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:40.600 in this country, and we're also seeing it happened to 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:44.360 another type of health care. And and another thing too, 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:48.040 is like abortion providers are also trans healthcare providers. Like yeah, 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.360 it's it's like body stuff. It's like you know, like 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.520 it's they're they're like often the same building. 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:58.680 Yeah, Like like plant planned parenthood does both. Yeah, runs 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:00.040 through planned parenthood. 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:02.959 And a lot of independent clinics to a lot of 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:06.760 independent abortion providers also provide trans healthcare as well and 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:10.280 gender hormones. Uh, gender hormone, I keep saying gender hormone, 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:11.600 even though that doesn't make any. 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:11.760 Sense, But. 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.439 Hormone therapy services and gender for me, I feel like 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:21.120 I'm like combining those together. But they offer both. 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.280 Yeah, but but that also means that like if you 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:27.360 if if you knock out a clinic for like for 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:29.800 one of the reasons, you've also knocked out the services 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.480 for everyone else too, write so like it's you know, 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.160 and I think this is something that's very important about 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.000 the way the right seas is that the right seas 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:42.360 this has the same fight very clearly, and that I 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:45.959 don't know, I mean, I think I think in terms 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:49.040 of the people who actually do organizing, I think it's 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.640 like it's understood that it is the same fight, but 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.720 I don't think it is as much in the general public. 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.920 Even though the like for the people you're fighting against, 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:03.360 they are you know, incredibly like viscerally and disturbingly clear 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:08.240 about like what they want to do and about the 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.640 fact that you know, like destroying people's autonomies and using 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:15.360 the state to take control of me, just like literally 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.400 physically take control of their bodies and define what they are, 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:20.600 which is something they do like you know, I mean, 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:21.840 then this is this is this is the thing that's 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.720 been happening in these anti transports too, is like they've 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:29.359 been like like legally defining what a woman is by 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.080 like reproductive apparatuses and stuff like that. 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:38.920 Yeah, and that that's disgusting and and it makes me 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:42.160 feel just like disgusted as like just like seeing that 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:43.960 because like I feel like I don't even like fit 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:47.000 some of the criteria that no as a says woman. 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.400 I feel like it like and I'm just like, oh 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:54.000 my god. And we're also like we're punishing people for 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:58.760 not having like perfect health and like perfect pregnancies and 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:01.960 being worn into the body that you know what I mean, 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.720 Like people are being punished for not being the ideal 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.800 cause like and I've asked, I've like stupidly asked this 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:13.120 out loud, where I'm like, you know, I've asked out loud, 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:18.600 like why are these bands so restrictive where people who 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:22.040 are pregnant and you know, like they're just not having 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:26.200 a perfect pregnancy, like there are complications like which which happened, 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.400 and they're like being punished for not having the perfect 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:31.280 pregnancy by these laws, like these abortion restrictions, And I'm 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:33.520 like why would they do that, Like why like how 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.440 can you not know that pregnancies go wrong? And how 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:38.360 would you not know that? And then somebody said to 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.680 me they were like, well, you know, like e've was 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:44.199 punished with the ability with dangerous pregnancies, like if you 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.600 look at their religion, like it was a punishment. So 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:49.760 I'm like, yeah, like they're they just believe we should 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.320 be like punished for not being born in the right body, 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:57.320 not having the perfect pregnancy, not wanting a pregnancy, you know, 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:01.360 like you're being punished for not and having the ideal 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:05.840 because they believe that it is a it's a punishment, 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:07.760 just like in I guess I'm trying to think of 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:09.880 the word like naturally intrinsically or something. I don't know, 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:14.640 and I don't subscribe to that ideology, but it's being 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:16.160 forced on us. Yeah. 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:18.079 Yeah, And I mean I think there's this way in 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.720 which people have People have this tendency to conceive of 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:24.440 like neoliberalism right specifically as this thing that's about like 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:28.160 the retreat the retreat of state power. And that's never 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.120 been what it is, right what like, you know, if 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:32.960 you if you look at what neoliberalism actually looks like, 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.880 it's fucking abortion bands, right, Like the people who are 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.440 pushing that are the people who push Reagan into office. 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.760 The actual point of the state in neoliberalism and this 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.000 and you know, and this is one that's incredibly compatible 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.680 with this sort of like with the sort of religious 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:48.840 fascists that they allied themselves with in order to come 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:52.120 into power. Right, the way that's actually manifested is is 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:55.640 just through the state directly taking control of your body. 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.760 Because you know, like people, people aren't actually fucking natural 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:02.480 market subjects. They're not like a woman is not as 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.360 as these like stupid assholes always insist is like, oh, 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:07.840 someone who gives birth, Like no, it's just like not true, 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.680 it's not true. It's not and so and because it's 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.240 not right with people, because that's the image that they 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.840 have to like force you into. The only way they 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:17.760 can do that is by using state ails to physically 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:19.480 take control of your body and shape you into the 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:20.320 thing that they think you are. 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:24.800 Yep, yep. And and they're like, none of this stuff 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:28.680 is siloed like you know, like pregnancy is related to abortion, 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:32.400 care is related to just like trans care is like 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:36.320 embedded in all of that as well. Uh, trans people 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:39.720 get pregnant and have abortions. And also in terms of 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:43.840 hormone therapy more like you know, like people besides trans 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.560 people need hormone therapy as well. Like like none of 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.520 these things are a silo by themselves, like they're all 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:53.760 kind of embedded together, and the effect of that is 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.640 that it's kind of become impossible to be a doctor 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:00.560 and a healthcare provider for a lot of these services 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.800 because they're so entwined and because like you know, we 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:06.840 all we have our bodies, and like our our bodies 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.840 aren't in separate like can take our body parts, aren't 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.760 in separate containers. Like they're all like we're like all connected, 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.480 Like it's all connected, and you can't really have one 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:19.760 without the other. And now we're seeing doctors who can't 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:24.240 safely do there what they have to do, like provide 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:28.360 like the health careacter to like appropriate medical standards within 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:32.680 these laws that exist. So you see doctors who are like, wow, 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.440 I can't actually perform the health care that I need 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:39.160 to perform without potentially losing my license. So I'm just 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:41.200 going to leave the state. So you see a lot 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.480 of doctors. Uh, there's been a lot of news stories 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:47.240 about doctors, particularly the ones that I've seen. I'm sure 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.160 that there's other types of doctors too, but like you know, 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:54.480 obstetricians and obgi ns who are leaving states because they 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:59.320 cannot safely practice the medicine as it's as you know, 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.440 as sign and medicine wants them to, you know that 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.399 without risking losing their license. So they're just leaving. And 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.960 these are states that need those doctors. I mean, there's 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.640 a lot that can be said about maternal and infomortality 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.159 rates in the United States. So the fact that you 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:19.320 have obgi ns like fleeing states, and I'm sure these 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.520 are states that need those doctors and have low standard 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:29.359 like low or have just like low quality outcomes or 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:33.399 like bad outcomes when it comes to maternal and infomortality. 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:35.719 And you're seeing this and it's like, well, this is 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.240 just making all kinds of health care worse, Like it's 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.360 becoming less safe to just be pregnant in general, even 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.960 if you are caring and delivering a pregnancy in these 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.159 states and I'm sure that you're going to see this 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:51.240 also happen because of these trans healthcare bands. It's that 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.560 you're going to see doctors fleeing in areas in which 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:56.639 those doctors are needed because they are risk of losing 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:58.440 their license and not being able to practice. 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:01.840 And another thing I think that's very similar between these 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:03.879 two things. It's like there's just not that you know, 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.040 we've we've talked about this more broadly, like in a 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:08.359 lot of the and in a lot of the comforts 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.720 are like I've done on the show about labor stuff, 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:15.560 my healthcare labor is that like just everywhere, even even 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:17.560 in even in sectors where like there's no there's no 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.280 sort of legal threat, right, there's they're just massive labor 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:24.400 shortages because these these these for profit healthcare companies are 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.119 you know, don't want to fucking bring in another person 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:29.000 on a shift because that costing more money and that's 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:32.760 less money than they can pocket, and you know, and yeah, 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:37.119 and and and and but and both both abortion services 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.040 and trans healthcare are fields. I mean, there are just 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:44.040 there's just not that many people. Like they're just like 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:47.520 the the the numbers are so small that like like 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:49.719 I can I can ask my friends, and they know, 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:53.000 like every provider in the city yep, oh yeah. 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:57.199 And it's like two providers, yeah, like abortion providers, like 0:18:57.520 --> 0:18:58.879 two places to get hormones. 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:01.280 It's like and and and again this isn't plan Like 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:03.200 I live in Chicago, right, this is a place where 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.119 it's like it's pretty easy to get hormones, right, compared 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.160 to I mean, this is this is like one yeah, 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:10.320 well but I mean like genuiney like this is a 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:11.639 this is the thing we you know, this is like 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:13.280 if you want to get like look at other parallels, right, 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:16.080 this is like Chicago has always been i mean not always, 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:19.399 but for i mean like half a century, probably longer 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:21.440 than that, has been a place where people like trans 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:25.000 people from around the country, particularly from the South, have 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.280 like upwroarded their lives and fled to because it was 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:29.880 a place where you could actually get. 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.439 Care and you know. 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.119 But like but even here, it's fucking hard as ship. 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:38.439 Like yeah, it's really hard, and you know, and and 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:40.919 a lot like the like like my one of one 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:42.959 of the local clinics has been on strike for months 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.479 and months and months because they're the place that they 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.560 work for, like slashed a bunch of services and so 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.280 and this like this this this kind of struggle is 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:54.199 you know, like this is this is the thing that's 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:56.880 happening in places where it's even where it's legal, and 0:19:56.920 --> 0:20:01.159 then suddenly the state bans it, and suddenly, you know, 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.560 people are leaving the field, people are leaving states. Becomes 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:06.200 even harder the services that already exist just even more 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:09.960 over tax It's just like it's the exact same like collapse, 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:12.280 just like rippling through the entire sector. 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:19.200 And none of these jobs pay a lot either, Like yeah, 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:23.360 like I just in general, like I'm sure, like I'm 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:26.480 not citing a specific job, but I'm sure that there 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:31.800 are abortion providers like who are like medical assistants and 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:35.320 hormone therapy like medical assistants that are making like fifteen 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:39.200 bucks an hour, which is ridiculous considering you're also being 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:45.240 threatened with violence. You're also having to deal with patients 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:49.080 who who are also experiencing the same national health crisis 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.119 that you are, Like you're experiencing it together, Like this 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:54.280 is something like it's not like, oh, I'm suffering by 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:57.520 myself as a worker, or oh, these patients are suffering 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.359 as individual I mean they are suffering into visual but 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.040 you know, like they're suffering alone as individuals, they're experiencing 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:05.800 like the same sort of like grief is like a 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:07.600 lot of the other people who are accessing the same 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.520 services as them. And it's like while we are all 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:18.520 in this sinking boat together and and it's so hard 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:24.440 to recruit into these roles, so like we need more 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:29.000 more abortion care and trans health providers, and it's hard 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:31.399 to get people to commit to that when you you 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:35.280 can't live on that and you can't sustain that, like 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:36.919 you can't stay in that job and keep doing it 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:41.680 for years when you're literally being like you're you're you're 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:46.840 being traumatized, you're experiencing suffering, You're witnessing suffering because I'm killed. 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:50.680 Like that that happens to me and threatened, yeah, like. 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:56.840 Just like like violent threats are something that both types 0:21:56.880 --> 0:22:01.560 of health services have in common now, which is so depressing. 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:06.920 But uh, it's we're all we're all being threatened by 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:09.919 by the right and by fascists. Like I try to 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:13.119 like sometimes it's like the right conservatives, I'm like, they're fascists, 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:14.720 They're they're it's fascism. 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:16.800 There's literally like a lot of these people like to 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:17.600 show up to this stuff. 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:19.960 It's it's like it's literally the same groups a proud 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:22.880 boys who show up to like different things over and over. 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:24.000 Again, and they get relabeled by the. 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:29.720 Media as like concerned parents or like the Christian outreach groups, 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:31.880 depending on like what thing they're at, and it's like, okay, 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:34.840 these no, like these are fascists who tried to overthrow 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:38.120 the governments and seize power, like this is this this 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:39.520 is three years ago, Like come on. 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:44.040 Yeah, it's like these are people who are actively they 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:47.800 are ruining the lives of my loved ones and people 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.320 in my community, like my neighbors, Like they are ruining 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:54.440 my and my neighbors' lives like actively in ways that 0:22:54.480 --> 0:23:00.520 are just getting worse. So it is one fight. I 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:04.600 really want everyone to realize that. I feel like it 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:09.359 is being realized more and more now. But you know, 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:13.879 the more people who learn it, the better and the 0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:18.399 ways in which just I just feel like the Jobs 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:23.400 decision and the overturn of Robi Wade meant more than 0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:27.080 just people couldn't get abortions. I think it's just the 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:31.359 destruction of healthcare in general in this country, and it 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:34.800 was it turned it into like just like a mad 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:38.560 dash to do the exact same thing to health services 0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:42.919 that trans people need. Yeah, so fun. 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:56.159 Another one of the parts of this fight, and I 0:23:56.200 --> 0:23:59.560 think the part of this fight that is the least 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:04.080 popular in terms of like who will actually back you, 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:09.920 which is both like healthcare workers both doing abortion care 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:13.800 and who during trans healthcare fighting what is essentially like 0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:17.120 a three way war where they are they are under 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:19.439 assault from the right and from the state who are 0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:22.400 trying to criminalize the health care that they provide and 0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:25.800 you know, directly target them through trap laws and through 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:29.080 that I don't we need to figure out what their 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:33.040 name for the version of the anti translots, but you know, 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:35.480 so they're being specifically targeted by the state, and then 0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:39.200 they're also fighting a conflict with their own employers and 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:43.280 whether that's whether that's private healthcare providers or that's NGOs 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:45.560 who are you know, don't want to pay them shit. 0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:49.639 You know, our funnel are funneling all of this fucking 0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:54.720 money into paying somebody's fucking dipshit cousin like three hundred 0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:58.639 thousand dollars a year to be like the vice executive 0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:02.840 director of like policy marketing or something. 0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:05.640 And yeah, and and. 0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:07.280 The way, the way in which you know this this 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:09.479 is this has turned into a union struggle that is 0:25:10.440 --> 0:25:15.160 deeply like it kind of in a lot of ways, 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:19.760 deeply unpopular among liberals because they just don't they don't 0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:23.080 see like healthcare providers as workers. 0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:30.160 Yeah. It it has been such a strange experience union 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:37.320 organizing and and and contract negotiating during a national health crisis. 0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:39.919 And after the fall of Ruby Wait it was so like, 0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.240 you know, Ruby Waight is overturned and we got to 0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:44.480 go to the barging table and that's where money and 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:48.280 it's it's it's definitely it's it's it's really hard because 0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:51.680 the stress is so compounded for all of the workers. 0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:58.440 And I know I've had uh peers in the community 0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:01.919 and in the abortion providing abortion advocacy community say things like, 0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:04.080 you know, you expect a snake to be a snake, 0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:07.320 Like you know that the right is going to attack 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:10.760 you and the fascists are going to do whatever they 0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:13.800 can to take away your right to autonomy and privacy. 0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:17.840 But it hurts a lot more Like personally, I think 0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:21.040 it hurts so much more. And it's been so painful 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.399 in the last year to see the ways in which 0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:25.480 the people on our side, the people who have the 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:27.600 same goals as us, ultimately like of like, you know, 0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:29.879 we want people to have abortions and we want people 0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:34.720 to access health care, and they are to have them 0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:38.159 hurt you yeah, because yeah, because like they're not supposed 0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:43.040 to be snakes, and it hurts. It hurts a lot more. 0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:47.760 And a lot of the same people, don't. I feel 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:51.120 like they're the same kind of folks who didn't understand 0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:55.160 the immediacy of needing to protect because so you know, LGBT, 0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:58.200 I feel like we should have gone harder for the tea, 0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:00.919 you know, like all these like how long has we 0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:04.240 have we had the acronym LGBT and like, and it's 0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:07.040 like this whole time, it's like we like we could 0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:09.760 have seen this coming. We shouldn't. It was like it 0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:11.520 clearly was like the same with Roe v WA, where 0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:14.840 it's like they are coming for rov Wade, this is coming. 0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:17.000 We could have done so much more to prepare. And 0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:19.600 I feel like in the a lot of the same way, 0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:22.600 the same people who are like devaluing the labor who 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:24.719 didn't do enough to protect abortion services are the same 0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:26.960 people who didn't do enough to protect just like trans 0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:27.800 people in general. 0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:31.040 Yeah, and I think there's like there's I think there's 0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:33.280 definitely a sort of expendability thing there too, right, I 0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:36.320 mean this is something that it's like very explicitly in 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:41.159 the two thousands, like the sort of I don't I 0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:42.919 don't know what the technical term for them is, but 0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:46.719 like big gay, like you know, the big big abortion 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:50.360 and big gay. Yeah, well the big the big sort 0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:55.200 of like LGBTQ like NGOs, right, you're like human rights 0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:59.640 campaign like groups like that very explicitly made a decision 0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:04.120 in the two thousands where they were like, Okay, we're 0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:07.960 gonna drop our demands for stuff like trans healthcare and 0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:11.280 trans recognition in order to sort of build a broader 0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:14.040 base to get like gay marriage and shit. And that 0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:16.800 that was a very supos decision that they made, and 0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:19.280 you know, and it worked for them, right, Like yeah, 0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:20.840 like we got gay marriage, right. 0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:21.960 Well we didn't. Well we didn't. 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.600 Actually we got through the fucking courts, not through like 0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:28.320 the legal process, right, and it took ages too, but 0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:29.800 like yeah, but like that was you know, and like 0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:31.879 they they eventually sort of came back around them, were like, 0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:35.240 we're trans allies, but then you know, all of the 0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:38.080 shit was happening. I mean, so this has been going 0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:41.640 on since like twenty like twenty sixteen, right is like 0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:46.040 the first like the first bathroom bills start, and you know, 0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:49.240 I mean it was over half a decade where things 0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:52.400 could have been done and they just weren't. 0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:54.840 And you know, like it's it's the it's the same thing, like. 0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:59.240 Like people just get used as like like people's health 0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:02.200 just gets in their body get used as bargaining chips. Yep. 0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:05.120 And I feel like in these all of these situations 0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:08.040 that we're talking about, it it's not looking out for 0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:12.640 the most vulnerable. Because so if you're talking about you know, 0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:16.600 healthcare and I don't want to say women's rights, I 0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:19.320 mean it used to be women's rights, and then now 0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:23.040 it's just like you know, like abortion access and you're 0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:26.040 not looking like who needs this the most, and you're 0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:28.520 not looking out for the most vulnerable. And part of 0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:30.800 that part of it in terms of abortion services is 0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:33.880 the compromising, you know, compromising on bands like oh, a 0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:36.680 fifteen week abortion ban is reasonable. No, it's not. No 0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:39.920 abortion of ban is reasonable. But so that's what abortion services. 0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:44.320 And then with with the fight for queer liberation. You know, 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:47.240 who's the most vulnerable? Will trans people have been the 0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:50.040 most vulnerable and not looking out for them? And then 0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:52.600 the frontline workers, Like, who's the most vulnerable when it 0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:55.640 comes to people doing this work providing these services, The 0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:59.040 frontline workers, the people who don't who don't make much 0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:00.920 who you know, the people who a aren't managers or 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:05.080 CEOs and I mean, like you know, senior management and 0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:10.360 CEOs and things like that, are They're in different situations 0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:12.680 than the people who are answering the phone and scheduling 0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:15.200 and talking to the patients and taking their blood pressure 0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:22.520 and giving them their medication. And yeah, it's just not 0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:26.160 looking out for the people in the most vulnerable situations. 0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:28.560 It's killing us. It's literally killing us. 0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:29.080 You have to. 0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:36.400 It's just so much focus on the wrong things when 0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:39.200 we really should be focused on the most vulnerable all around. 0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.560 And I think also like the extent to which all 0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:45.160 of these struggles are labor struggles, right, I mean, this 0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:47.000 is one of the things about trans healthcare as we've 0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:50.440 talked about them that much, is that, like I think 0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:53.880 this is sort of a product of like the kinds 0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:58.200 of trans people who get representation, but you know, like 0:30:58.240 --> 0:30:59.360 I think there's a lot of people who think that, 0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:01.720 like the average trans person is like a fucking tech 0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:04.840 worker in California, And it's like no, like the like 0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:07.920 the the the the the actual like median trans person 0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:12.080 like works at a works at a EPs warehouse or 0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.360 you know, it's like a vet tech or like you know, 0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:18.080 does all of this ship that you know works like 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:22.840 just really shitty service jobs and like you know the 0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:25.040 stuff for like like i mean struggles like we're not 0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:28.560 even having because we're we've been like kicked all the 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:30.800 way back down to like can. 0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:31.760 We legally exist? 0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:34.840 But like you know, things like like people getting housing 0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:38.640 right like that that kind of stuff like those are 0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:39.360 labor struggles. 0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:40.760 The struggle for abortion. 0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.719 Is is also labor struggle because like again, like you 0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:47.760 can't fucking have abortions without workers who do the abortions. 0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:50.840 Like they don't, they don't just magically spring fully formed 0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:52.880 from like the mind of an ngo. 0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:56.760 Like and also like I mean, you need you need 0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:00.600 labor protections in order to access healthcare. It's just a fact, yeah, 0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:03.560 like you know, because that's just yet another obstacle that 0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:07.120 patients are experiencing. Is getting off work like yeah, you 0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:09.760 got kids and you got to like fly to like 0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:13.280 across the country to access healthcare services, and you got 0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:16.840 to recover from those healthcare services, and it's like you 0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:19.040 gotta have PTO and like how many people don't have that? 0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:19.880 Yeah? 0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:22.560 And it works the other way too, right, where like 0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:24.280 like this is the thing we've been seeing with Starbucks, 0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:26.040 We've been seeing as at Google too. People trying to 0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:30.120 unionize is like having healthcare is a is a thing 0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:33.440 that your your work uses and like hangs over your 0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:36.200 head like to control you. And this has been an 0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:39.240 explicit thing. Like Starbucks specifically did this thing where they're like, well, 0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:41.280 if you try to unionize, like we can't guarantee you're 0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:42.680 gonna have like we're gonna like get ready of your 0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:45.840 trans healthcare. Oh jesus yeah, and like you know and 0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:47.479 like this kind of like you know that that's like 0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:50.360 like them just like dropping the mask and saying the 0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:53.680 quiet part loud, but like you know, like people's people's 0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:59.000 access to healthcare is an enormous union busting tactic. 0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:01.640 So it's like it's literally just like on. 0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:05.040 Both sides of the struggle, like it is it is. 0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:07.240 It is just at all levels a labor struggle and 0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:09.600 it's not thought of like that. 0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:13.360 Yeah, and again, like I know, I brought up silos 0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:16.600 before in terms of like types of healthcare, but the 0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:19.680 same silos. It's kind of like a liberal it's like 0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:23.520 liberal siloing where you're separating the issues and you can't. 0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:29.200 They're all connected. Abortion care, pregnancy care, raising your families, 0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:35.840 police violence, prison abolition, trans healthcare, labor rights, unionizing, They're 0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:41.360 all connected, and we don't connect the dots enough. I 0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:43.520 think in this country, at least the people who have 0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:47.479 power don't. And I think the separation of these issues 0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:53.200 has has really hurt us. And we're stronger together, you know, 0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:58.080 safety and solidarity and all that. So if every abortion 0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:02.720 care worker and abortion volunteer, abortion advocate, and you know, 0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:08.600 queer liberation advocate, trans health advocate, just transliberation advocate, union organizer, 0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:13.120 no or union member, even if you're like working for 0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:16.879 if you're a plumber, you know, if we all can 0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:20.160 identify that we have are it's all one fight and 0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:25.040 it's all connected, will be better off for it. So yeah, 0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:26.879 if we can. 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:30.680 Yeah, and I think something that's also is really important 0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:33.640 is that, like I mean, this is historically like you know, 0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:35.760 if you want to look at how working classicivements are defeated, 0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:41.840 it's you pick people off by finding something that you know, like, 0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:44.040 for example, like like one of one of the ways 0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:46.000 you can sort of beat a worker's to amit is 0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:49.800 by like that movement not dealing with the sort of 0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:52.400 rapid patriarchy and the movements. And you know, you can 0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:54.840 radicalize people to the right by just sort of like 0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:58.239 by like doing sort of misogyist politics, or you can 0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:00.440 do the thing that like the you know, this is 0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:03.399 this is the sort of the Christian democratic strategy in uh, 0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:07.560 like in Europe was you know, they they they recognized 0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:13.120 that the workers groupments like weren't really like organizing women 0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:15.120 in any substantive way, and so they you know, they 0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:17.480 were able to create this massive sort of anti communist 0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:22.520 like like center right bulwark against like organized labor by 0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:26.000 like actually organizing women, right, and you know, and this 0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:28.320 is this is something that they sort of do everywhere, 0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:30.600 which is like yeah, like if if if if you, 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:32.960 if you aren't fighting all of these things at the 0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:35.799 same time and conceptualizing you at the same time, like 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:37.719 you will get you will get picked apart one by 0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:39.920 one in your individual struggle and the movement will collapse 0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:44.400 and die and that's really hard, and you know, like 0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:46.879 the deck has been stacked against us, but that that's 0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:50.360 that's the cards that we have, and yeah, we have 0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:51.920 to deal with them. 0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:55.719 And to to like be a little bit to look 0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:57.680 more like on the positive side, because like you know, 0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:00.799 it's like, yeah, we we've had our ass is kicked 0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:05.120 and we've lost so much. We have lost so much, 0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:07.880 We've lost so many of our basic human rights in 0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:12.160 this country. But like abortions are still happening, and TRANSHLTH 0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:15.359 is still being provided, and there are communities looking out 0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:18.920 for people who are in need of these services and 0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:22.560 in need of safety because like it's not just about 0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:25.200 the basic health services, but you know, you have to 0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:28.120 be safe. Well, you know, if you're pregnant and you 0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:29.920 need health care, you want to be safe. And then 0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:33.120 also if you're like a trans individual and you don't 0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:37.759 feel safe, it's helpful to have those organizations there. Yeah, exactly, 0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:42.640 that's totally what I have in mind. And on the 0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:47.279 right side, like that is like those are still being 0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:50.080 like the healthcare is still being provided even if it 0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:54.280 has been decimated and people are having to move mountains 0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:56.279 in order to get there. You know, abortions are happening, 0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:59.479 and every day where I'm still doing I'm still getting 0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:04.120 people abortions. There are workers who are helping people get 0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:06.040 the health care that they need, the hormones that they need, 0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:11.120 and there are people like you know, teaching defense and 0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:17.200 security and working together. And we need to continue to 0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:21.000 do this because I you know, I am really angry 0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:25.080 and I am really just fucked in the head now 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:28.160 because of everything that I've experienced and had to witness, 0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:32.600 and it's soul crushing, but I just keep doing it 0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:36.600 because that it just needs to happen like this. People 0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:41.680 need this health care, people need this information, people need 0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:44.799 to be connected safety and solidarity, and I just you know, 0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:46.920 we have to keep going, like you know, so we 0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:49.880 have to defend the workers providing these services. We have 0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:54.799 to defend people accessing these services, whether it's abortion or 0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:59.960 trans health, and we need to just keep doing it 0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:03.040 no matter how awful we feel. And you know, this 0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:06.960 has been an incredibly hard year and I have had 0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:10.439 conversations that I never would have wanted to have ever 0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:12.440 and that are hard to carry with me. And I'm 0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:14.640 going to carry these conversations. You know, these memories are 0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:15.880 like in my head now and that I have them 0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:19.399 for the rest of my life maybe, and they're they're 0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:21.720 in my head, you know, they're there. I've it's happened, 0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:26.239 and I'm just really grateful for the other people doing 0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:30.920 this work and that they're there and that I'm not 0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:34.000 the only one feeling this way, and that we have 0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:37.080 each other's backs, and that we we do have the 0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:38.799 same fight, Like knowing that we have the same fight, 0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:44.120 I'm like, you know that solidarity means means everything right now, 0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:47.759 because it's more than just like winning or losing. Like, yeah, 0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:50.480 we've we've lost a lot, and we're continuing to lose 0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:55.279 a lot, but we're all still here and we all 0:38:55.280 --> 0:39:00.640 still need we still need like care, We need to 0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:03.600 just take care of ourselves and each other still. So 0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:05.960 I'm going to keep doing this work. I know that 0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:08.480 other people are going to keep doing this work, and 0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:11.440 I know that there will always be help available, whether 0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:13.640 you know, finding it is one thing, but I know 0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:16.319 that it will always be there, and I try to 0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:21.000 take solace in that because this is this is a 0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:25.920 collective trauma that our generation is going to see out 0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:27.480 for the rest of our lives, and it's going to 0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:30.920 bleed into the next generation. And there's a lot I 0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:34.200 hope for, you know, before I die, there's a lot 0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:36.560 I hope to see. So I hope that I see 0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:49.080 it to end. This is not a positive note because 0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:51.080 I know at the very beginning, I know, like when 0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:54.279 we first started talking Mia, I saw we wanted to 0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:57.560 end in a positive note. So that involves me sharing 0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:00.680 like the thing that cheers me up the most and 0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:05.000 that like pushes all the right buttons for me. But 0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:07.640 there have been some good things in terms of like 0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:11.520 abortion access in the last six months, so I want 0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:18.000 to share that it all starts. It starts with Partners Clinic. 0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:24.880 They Partner's Clinic is an ull trimester clinic in in 0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:30.520 Maryland and they opened this year and they were doing 0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:33.880 fundraising and first of all, they're amazing. They're an amazing 0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:40.640 team of workers, amazing abortion providers. I love Partners Clinic there. 0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:42.839 I just I could not, I cannot praise them enough. 0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:47.120 And they they were fundraising to open their clinic and 0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:48.960 have everything that they need and you know, you know, 0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:52.560 have money for staff and everything. And it was picked 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:59.120 up by prison culture more commonly that's like her online handle. 0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:00.960 A lot of people like know her as prison Culture, 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:05.960 but Maryamikaba and she started fundraising for them, and she 0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:09.719 was able to help so much that they surpassed their 0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:13.399 goal and they opened. And now we have another all 0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:17.360 trimester abortion clinic in the United States, staffed by the 0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:22.920 most compassionate, amazing, hardworking individuals. And that cheered me up 0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:27.920 so much because I obviously love maryam Akaba and and 0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:31.680 prison abolition. I know, I'm a prison abolitionist, so seeing 0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:37.080 her like seeing her see how the issues are connected 0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:40.759 that they're like that, you know, they go together, and 0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:44.440 organizing for that on top of the work that she 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.400 is already doing for abolition, I was just like so 0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:54.200 happy to see that. And on the topic of all 0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:59.040 trimester abortion clinics, there is another one opening up as well, 0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:02.919 and this cheers me up immensely as well. They are 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:06.600 called the Valley Abortion Group. They're not open yet, they're 0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:09.479 currently fundraising. I could probably send you the link to post. 0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:14.279 Maybe Yeah, so they're not open yet, but you know 0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:16.799 they're getting there. And they're called the Value Abortion Group. 0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:20.040 They're gonna be another ultrimester clinic and they're going to 0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:22.719 be located in New Mexico, and they're I just want 0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:25.400 to point out that their acronym is VAGE, which I 0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:28.440 just I think is really important to point out. Hell yeah, 0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:31.880 So you know, we saw partners open and that was amazing, 0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:33.440 and now we're going to have another one opening up 0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:36.520 and that's amazing. So, you know, love and support for 0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:40.320 Value Abortion Group because honestly, the more we need a 0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:43.359 abortion clinics period, like we need more of them, but 0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:48.520 especially all trimester, especially now that these bands have been 0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:52.239 pushing people further and further along into the pregnancy before 0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:54.799 they can access these services. It's so important for them 0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:56.719 to exist. And on this topic, I also want to 0:42:56.760 --> 0:42:59.759 bring up that, you know, there are stories out there 0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:02.160 of people who it takes them six months to get 0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:05.279 an abortion appointment. Six months christ I just want to 0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:07.360 bring that up because that's happening. Because I know that 0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:09.680 I've said like five weeks a lot while we're talking, 0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:11.920 but like it takes some people six months. So it's 0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:15.120 really important for these ultramester abortion clinics to exist and 0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:19.880 for us and the communities that we're part of to 0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:23.920 welcome them with open arms and like big love. And 0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:26.920 also on the same topic of good news, things that 0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:31.000 cheer me up, prison abolition, abortion access, all of these 0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:36.640 good good topics. Prison culture. Mary Macaba is now fundraising 0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:41.279 for another abortion practical support group, and I have to 0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:43.600 mention this up because mention this because this fundraising is 0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:46.880 happening right now. So if you go to prison Cultures Twitter, 0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:49.279 she's like fundraising for it every single day. But she 0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:54.720 is fundraising for the Online Abortion Resource Squad, So Online 0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:59.200 Abortion Resource Squad or OARS for short. What they are 0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:02.640 is they are entirely volunteer organization, which is why they 0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:04.600 need to pay them for their labor. This is really 0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:11.600 important work that Daily Monitors moderates and provides quality posts 0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:15.560 on Our abortion was our slash abortion? How should I 0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:20.040 read that? So basically our slash abortion. So the reddit 0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:25.680 the subreddit for just abortion on Reddit, which I think 0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:28.359 that like when I immediately say that, some people might 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:33.920 not realize how important that is. But as these bands 0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:37.040 have just spread and gotten worse and the abortion access 0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:40.480 deserts have widened, it is so important for people to 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:43.279 be able to access quality information, and a lot of 0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:46.520 people go to Reddit, Like so many people go to 0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:50.080 Reddit to find out information, So like the Daily page 0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:53.680 hits for our slash Abortion is just up and up 0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:56.719 and up and up. And there's a group of volunteers 0:44:57.280 --> 0:45:02.080 that you know, like don'tate their their their hours, their 0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:07.000 free time, you know, their energy to give people the 0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:10.000 answers that they're looking for and to like walk them 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:12.600 through a process. Because a lot of people, you know, 0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:14.440 they want to help, so they post links. So they're like, oh, 0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:17.360 you you're in a band state and you can't access services, 0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:19.680 so they just post a link to I don't know, 0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:23.240 like aid access. But it's more than it's not that easy, 0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:25.120 Like you can't just like give somebody a link to 0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:27.480 aid access and be like here's your abortion. No, Like 0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:29.600 you need to ask questions, You need somebody to assist you, 0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:32.319 follow up questions if something doesn't work, like oh my god, 0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:35.600 the payment's not working, like you need help? And or 0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:38.359 is the Online Abortion Resource Squad. They go into our 0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:40.560 Abortion every single day and they make sure that people 0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:45.080 get help. And they've been doing this labor for free, 0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:48.839 and now prison culture is helping them basically get them, 0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:51.480 get them paid, get them money, get them, get them 0:45:52.000 --> 0:45:53.839 make it so that way they can do that, like 0:45:53.880 --> 0:45:58.240 you know, they don't have to you know, find different 0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:01.640 options for employment. You know, they don't have to struggle 0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:05.319 to get by, like they there's money sustaining them, so 0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:06.759 that way they can make sure that people have their 0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:09.640 questions answered all day and that is so important. Like 0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:13.440 I just like, I just I never thought, like if 0:46:13.440 --> 0:46:16.520 you had asked me, like like seven years ago, if 0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:19.480 I thought people posting on Reddit would be life saving, 0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:25.240 I would have totally like just not taken that seriously. 0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:27.560 But now I'm like, I'm like, oh my god, people 0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:30.040 are flocking to Reddit every day just try to find 0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:31.920 out how to get an abortion, and there are people 0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:35.080 volunteering their time to get them quality answers and make 0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:36.560 sure that they get the care that they're looking for. 0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:43.480 And I love that. I love that an abolitionist, like 0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:46.400 a prison abolition police in prison abolitionists, has identified that 0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:50.720 this is a significant need that people in these different 0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:54.799 communities that are typically like a little bit siloed are 0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:58.880 supporting each other's causes. I think that abolition and abortion 0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:05.200 go hand in hand. And this just cheers me up immensely. 0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:08.799 And the fact that like there are resource hubs online 0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:13.000 that are that are like that are coming to bat 0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:16.920 you know, like, oh, this horrible thing has happened, Roe v. 0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:19.719 Wade has been overturned, and what are we going to do? 0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:23.160 And it's like, well, go go answer people's questions on Reddit, 0:47:25.040 --> 0:47:28.200 and yeah, So I wanted to share that because I 0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:33.880 said a lot of sad stuff about how horrifying and 0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:36.799 traumatic and this all is and how there's so much 0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:40.120 human suffering. So it's just because of that, I just 0:47:40.200 --> 0:47:43.399 I also wanted to to take time to say, like, hey, 0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:46.719 there are people making sure that people get care. There 0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:52.920 are amazing people, you know, working to get people paid 0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:56.879 and get people funding and make it so that way 0:47:56.880 --> 0:47:59.960 this work is sustainable, because like, sustainability is its own thing, 0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:06.160 Like yeah, who, Like it is hard to fight against fascism, 0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:11.960 Like it's we're being we're having our are basic human 0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:15.840 rights violated on a daily basis, and we are being dehumanized, 0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:21.719 and that is incredibly difficult to fight constantly on top 0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:24.759 of having to pay your bills and you know, like 0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:26.600 deal with whatever the heck's going on in your life. 0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:31.840 So I'm just like, I'm really grateful for Mary Micaba 0:48:32.000 --> 0:48:34.279 and everyone who has helped her. I'm really grateful for 0:48:35.480 --> 0:48:41.640 partners and Value Abortion Group Badge and I am really 0:48:42.239 --> 0:48:46.359 grateful for the Online Abortion Resource squad Ors and all 0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:50.880 of their amazing volunteers. And I hope that like, if 0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:55.480 somebody is feeling helpless and and like feeling like they 0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:59.960 don't know what to do in these really scary times, 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:04.960 they can look toward like look to these examples and 0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:09.360 be like, well, I can provide good information to people. 0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:14.440 I can share donation opportunities or donate myself, and I 0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:22.640 can uplift this stuff and recognize how valuable even posting 0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:26.080 online can be sometimes because I posting online usually not 0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:28.000 a good thing. But you know, if you are helping 0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:32.319 somebody get healthcare and you're utilizing like, you know, a 0:49:32.360 --> 0:49:38.160 popular platform to spread that information, you're doing a great 0:49:38.239 --> 0:49:41.400 job and you deserve all the shout outs. So yeah, 0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:43.840 so yeah, those are some really those that's what's cheering 0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:46.600 me up in the year twenty twenty three. As I 0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:53.120 approach like June twenty fourth, the anniversary, I'm like, oh 0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:58.960 my god, everything's really awful, But this is what's cheering 0:49:58.960 --> 0:49:59.279 me up. 0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:04.600 So yeah, I don't know, well, okay, I guess I 0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:06.799 do know why this is spontaneously leapt to my head. 0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:08.520 But the thing that I the thing that. 0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:12.320 I always think about is the there's a Zappatista slogan 0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:16.360 that goes to pot of lives, the struggle continues, And yeah, 0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:18.400 I mean I don't have anything else. 0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:22.000 It's you know, but I mean that struggle. Look like 0:50:22.600 --> 0:50:23.280 the thing. 0:50:23.160 --> 0:50:26.839 About this right, like there there's a reason that it's 0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:29.400 a like they have to spend all of this effort 0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:33.759 on it because there is actually a struggle. And the 0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:35.520 fact that they have to they spend so much effort, 0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:37.400 so much resources, so much of their time, and so 0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:41.040 much of their power on this, like is also proof 0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:42.839 of their weakness. That this is not something that they 0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:45.400 can do just sort of neutrally right, and it's it's 0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:47.680 something that can be stopped and can be rolled back. 0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:51.560 And yeah, I mean the the fact that it is 0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:56.640 a struggle like it in and of itself like implies 0:50:56.640 --> 0:50:58.719 that they're wrong in in and of itself, demonstrates that 0:50:58.760 --> 0:51:01.200 we are also still fighting, and we are going to 0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:03.600 continue fighting and one day we are going to beat 0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:04.240 these fuckers. 0:51:04.719 --> 0:51:08.319 Yep, I believe it. I mean, like, yeah, I'm like 0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:12.280 talking openly and honestly about the toll of the human suffering, 0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:14.880 but I believe that we can stop this if we 0:51:15.040 --> 0:51:18.719 if we keep going, and I I hope I see 0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:22.319 that in my lifetime. And I uh, and I think 0:51:22.520 --> 0:51:24.839 it's it's a sada shakuri. I think where is where 0:51:24.840 --> 0:51:30.799 there's oppression, there is resistance that that that makes me 0:51:30.880 --> 0:51:34.799 feel better, you know, like because which ah, God, God, 0:51:34.960 --> 0:51:37.520 just like I know is speaking of liberals, there's I 0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:40.839 just don't understand the take where it's like, oh, these 0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:42.839 red states are getting what they deserve, Texas is getting 0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:45.120 what the deserves, Florida is getting with what they deserve, 0:51:45.160 --> 0:51:49.560 and it's like no, like they they're being oppressed and 0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:53.120 they are fighting their oppression. And I love people in 0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:57.200 those states and I love the people fighting, and I 0:51:57.440 --> 0:51:58.759 I just I don't know how you can look at 0:51:58.800 --> 0:52:00.680 that and not be filled with like love and awe, 0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:03.520 just like in the way that I'm filled with like 0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:07.480 love and awe when I see like how hard people 0:52:07.520 --> 0:52:10.600 are working to navigate these barriers and to access the 0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:12.719 health care that they need, Like I'm just like you 0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:16.319 are being so brave, you are You're so strong to 0:52:16.400 --> 0:52:20.759 do this, and like not everyone is seeing it, you know, 0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:23.520 because like these are like you know, private like journeys 0:52:23.520 --> 0:52:26.200 to get healthcare. But like I'm seeing it and I'm like, God, 0:52:26.200 --> 0:52:28.319 these people are so amazing and people are fighting so 0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:31.080 hard and they are continuing to struggle and they're not 0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:33.880 giving I mean, some people are giving up because like 0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:36.440 the state is like forcing it on them, but like 0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:39.959 a lot of people aren't giving up. And I am 0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:45.759 I'm constantly in awe about that because yeah, yeah, it's 0:52:45.760 --> 0:52:48.160 a lot of witnessing human suffering and people suffer, but 0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:50.520 also it's witnessing a lot of people be really strong 0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:56.839 and really fight and for what they deserve. And I'm 0:52:56.840 --> 0:52:59.000 so glad I get to witness that too, even though 0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:01.960 I wish, you know, I didn't have to see all 0:53:02.000 --> 0:53:06.759 the suffering, but you know, I'm really grateful to see 0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:14.319 the struggle too. I love human beings and I'm just 0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:18.040 we're awesome, Like we I mean, a lot of us aren't, 0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:22.239 but the rest of us are ores putting up a 0:53:22.239 --> 0:53:25.799 good fight. So I think we can win. I think 0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:26.319 we can win. 0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:30.840 Yeah. Yeah, So, I know we've talked about a few links. 0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:33.480 Do you have anything else that any other links that 0:53:33.520 --> 0:53:37.000 you want to talk about to send people to? So, yeah, 0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:40.360 Jesus Christ, do you have anything else you want to 0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:42.480 send people to so that they can help support the 0:53:42.520 --> 0:53:43.560 struggles that are going on. 0:53:45.719 --> 0:53:47.440 I don't think I have any additional ones I want 0:53:47.480 --> 0:53:51.000 to give right now. I think that the ones that 0:53:51.040 --> 0:53:55.040 I've brought up like deserve all of the attention right now. 0:53:55.239 --> 0:53:57.279 So I'm just gonna like say him again. So I 0:53:57.320 --> 0:54:00.880 know previously I mentioned the Texas Equal Access Fund the 0:54:00.960 --> 0:54:04.200 T Fund, and Texas is doing a lot right now, 0:54:04.920 --> 0:54:07.279 and honestly, the other Texas funds are two that was 0:54:07.320 --> 0:54:10.800 just like the one that I see the most. Chicago 0:54:10.840 --> 0:54:16.440 Abortion Fund is doing amazing work right now. Partners Clinic, 0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:21.279 which is located in Maryland, like shout out to their team. 0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:25.640 I love them so much. They are they they are 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:30.080 like the light in the darkness right now. Valley Abortion 0:54:30.200 --> 0:54:35.080 Group Badge, which will hopefully be opening I don't know 0:54:35.080 --> 0:54:37.200 when they're opening, but I'm looking forward to them opening 0:54:37.239 --> 0:54:40.400 so much in New Mexico. And and then the online 0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:46.120 Abortion Resource squad Ors the Saints of our slash Abortion Like, 0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:50.120 I just I want to like shout them out with 0:54:50.160 --> 0:54:53.280 this like platform that I have right now, So Google 0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:55.799 all them, check them out, click the links, and then 0:54:55.800 --> 0:54:59.319 of course, you know again your local abortion Fund, like 0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:02.840 it just just don't get tired of hearing donate to 0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:05.239 your local bortion fun just like say it again, just 0:55:05.280 --> 0:55:09.799 like right on the back of your eyeballs. It's that. 0:55:09.800 --> 0:55:12.480 That's that's what we getting. That's what's getting people healthcare 0:55:12.680 --> 0:55:17.960 right now, people who can't wait. So yeah, I just 0:55:18.000 --> 0:55:23.080 like uplifting all those things again, Like I'm sure like 0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:26.000 there are there are a lot of amazing groups doing work. 0:55:27.080 --> 0:55:29.640 I could probably like take like an hour listing all 0:55:29.719 --> 0:55:32.840 of them, but uh like right now, those are the 0:55:32.880 --> 0:55:37.080 ones where I'm like, hell, yeah, this is amazing. 0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:46.399 So yeah, yeah, thank you, thank you again so much 0:55:46.520 --> 0:55:49.239 for for coming and talking with us about this. 0:55:51.480 --> 0:55:55.440 Yeah. I love talking about all of the pain and suffering. 0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:58.640 And you know, catch me outside screaming at the sky 0:55:58.680 --> 0:56:03.600 and shaking my fist and drinking a lot of mimosas. Yeah, 0:56:03.600 --> 0:56:06.560 in the next couple of weeks. This is a rough 0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:08.959 This is a rough month. This is a rough month. 0:56:10.360 --> 0:56:14.680 I'm not happy to be here, but I'm happy about 0:56:14.719 --> 0:56:19.080 some things. Just this is not It's been a hard year. 0:56:19.120 --> 0:56:24.040 It's been a really hard year. But I'm happy to 0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:24.960 be on this podcast. 0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:30.520 Yeah, and I hope all of you in literally whatever 0:56:30.560 --> 0:56:36.680 way you can, like do something to make this better, 0:56:37.760 --> 0:56:41.680 because we all owe it to each other, and we 0:56:41.760 --> 0:56:44.279 owe it to everyone who has to live under the 0:56:44.320 --> 0:56:48.040 system that you know, like hasn't built in our name 0:56:48.480 --> 0:56:52.000 to do something and not to just sort of sit 0:56:52.080 --> 0:56:54.680 back and let this just let the engine to suffering 0:56:55.160 --> 0:56:56.520 keep rolling over more people. 0:56:57.160 --> 0:56:59.719 And even small things are valuable too. I feel like 0:56:59.760 --> 0:57:01.359 a lot I've known a lot of people who are like, 0:57:01.440 --> 0:57:03.319 you know, like, oh, you know, I got a lot 0:57:03.320 --> 0:57:05.279 going on and I can't I don't know how to. 0:57:05.360 --> 0:57:06.919 I just can't help that much. And it's like even 0:57:06.960 --> 0:57:10.000 the little things you do are meaningful, Like even like 0:57:10.120 --> 0:57:14.120 ten dollars is like like somebody who's traveling's lunch, you know, 0:57:14.360 --> 0:57:18.280 Like that's a big deal. So don't don't undersell the 0:57:18.280 --> 0:57:21.480 little things that you can do. Even little things are 0:57:21.520 --> 0:57:24.640 really meaningful right now, Like what you have the capacity for, 0:57:25.760 --> 0:57:29.600 no one's gonna I'm not gonna shake a stick at it. 0:57:29.680 --> 0:57:35.280 I think any contribution is incredibly valuable, no matter how small. 0:57:35.440 --> 0:57:38.920 So unless you're rich, yeah, unless you're rich, which can Unless. 0:57:38.640 --> 0:57:41.640 You're rich, then what are you doing? Like why there 0:57:41.640 --> 0:57:43.600 are some people I'm like, why are they like, oh 0:57:43.680 --> 0:57:47.400 oh oh, while I'm here, while I'm actually speaking of 0:57:47.800 --> 0:57:50.160 rich while I'm on a podcast, and we can talk 0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:53.160 about things like people who can help, like I'm thinking 0:57:53.200 --> 0:57:55.880 about like Taylor Swift right now, Like Taylor Swift can 0:57:55.880 --> 0:57:58.479 probably donate so much money to abortion funds right because, 0:57:58.520 --> 0:58:02.480 like she's touring right now and she's used to having 0:58:02.480 --> 0:58:04.400 all these concerts and various parts of the world, and 0:58:04.440 --> 0:58:09.200 those hotel prices are going up like crazy. So, like 0:58:09.560 --> 0:58:12.520 I know that she had a concert in Chicago recently, 0:58:13.000 --> 0:58:15.920 and there the Chicago Abortion Fund was like trying to 0:58:15.960 --> 0:58:19.120 book hotels for traveling abortion patients. So patients who are 0:58:19.240 --> 0:58:23.200 traveling from band States to get abortion services in Chicago, 0:58:23.200 --> 0:58:25.800 and they were paying like way more for the hotel 0:58:26.680 --> 0:58:30.640 hotel costs because of the local Taylor Swift concert. And 0:58:30.680 --> 0:58:33.120 it's like, Taylor Swift, donate to abortion funds. What are 0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:36.400 you doing? You're driving up hotel prices for patients. What 0:58:36.440 --> 0:58:40.280 do you donate? Donate to abortion Funds, Taylor Swift. So 0:58:40.320 --> 0:58:42.280 that's what I just wanted to add that or any 0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:45.880 artists who's driving up hotel prices, Come on, people need 0:58:45.920 --> 0:58:47.200 health care. What are you doing? 0:58:50.680 --> 0:58:54.200 Wonderful system that we live in, a wonderful opportunity in 0:58:54.240 --> 0:58:59.720 this generation to make it not be like that, I know, right, like. 0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:00.960 I was having to ask, but. 0:59:01.480 --> 0:59:06.040 Yeah, yeah, so I guess that's my that's my closing message, 0:59:06.080 --> 0:59:08.840 to go out into the world and make the world 0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:10.000 not fucking like this. 0:59:10.360 --> 0:59:12.320 Yeah, yeah, can we not? 0:59:12.840 --> 0:59:19.360 Yeah? 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