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Speaker 1: Welcome to Dick.

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Speaker 2: It happened here the podcast for the situation continues to worsen.

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Speaker 2: The thing that is worstening today is the rights war

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Speaker 2: an abortion, which they are winning and are continuing to win,

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Speaker 2: is not contained to simply abortion. It has been spreading.

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Speaker 2: It has been getting worse. And yeah, with me to

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Speaker 2: talk about it is Crystal, who once again is an

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Speaker 2: abortion worker and an abortion union organizer and on the

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Speaker 2: on the on the board of a bail fund, not

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Speaker 2: bail fund Jesus Rist. Sorry, I'm getting my I'm getting

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Speaker 2: my my funds crossed in my mind on the board

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Speaker 2: of a of a of a Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, sorry, sorry, I probably shouldn't have said that.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, this is this is entirely my fault because

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Speaker 2: we've been doing so much bail fund stuff that I mean,

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Speaker 2: they're good. Yeah, it's like when my brain thinks fund,

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Speaker 2: it just goes to it just goes to bail fund.

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Speaker 2: Now all things that are good, Yeah, abortion funds that one,

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Speaker 2: because just leave that and screw it, you know, like it, Well,

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Speaker 2: we'll leave we'll leave me doing that in.

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Speaker 4: H'll do it live RiPP and hell.

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Speaker 2: Guy who said that, Yeah, yeah, Yeah, Crystal, welcome back. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: glad to be talking to you again.

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Speaker 3: Love suffering. I love talking about pain and suffering and

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Speaker 3: also the good work that we're doing to mitigate it,

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Speaker 3: but also pain and suffering.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I guess yeah, I think we should

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Speaker 2: start with sort of I don't know what frame me

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Speaker 2: as a contagion is the right way to do it.

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Speaker 2: I think it's probably not. But the way that the

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Speaker 2: sort of the ripple like where where where are the

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Speaker 2: sort of ripples of uh of of the sort of

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Speaker 2: anti portion movements advance have been going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know, if we're talking about you know,

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Speaker 3: it's been a year since the jobs decision in Roe v.

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Speaker 3: Way was return. You know, what does that mean? What

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Speaker 3: does that imply? What have would have been the what

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Speaker 3: has been in kind of like the aftermath of that.

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Speaker 3: The one thing is that, you know, the strategies to

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Speaker 3: get to that point worked. And I really hate saying

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Speaker 3: like in terms of like they won or we lost,

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Speaker 3: because we're all we're in America, we're all losing. We're

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Speaker 3: all losing here except for the fascists, but so we

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Speaker 3: we have We're seeing a lot of bad things happening

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Speaker 3: because of the dab's decision, and that's those strategies worked

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Speaker 3: in our current political environment to get us to that point.

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Speaker 3: And and I mentioned before you know it's death by

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Speaker 3: a thousand cuts is kind of like one of the

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Speaker 3: ways in which you can describe the strategies like NonStop bands,

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Speaker 3: NonStop restrictions just a constant onslaught basically uh bands that

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Speaker 3: are their copycat legislation and you know they're they're being

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Speaker 3: pumped out. People can just like literally plug in the

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Speaker 3: templates and share them and it can be applied to

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Speaker 3: a number of different things in different states and copycat legislation.

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Speaker 3: So it worked, and where we're we are because that

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Speaker 3: strategy worked and did not get enough resistance. Not enough

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Speaker 3: was done to combat that strategy on the left with Democrats,

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Speaker 3: and it immediately spread to the next autonomy based issue

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Speaker 3: because and not saying that it didn't start before that,

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Speaker 3: because you know, these fascists have been going after all

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Speaker 3: kinds of issues of autonomy for decades, abortion being one

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Speaker 3: of them, you know, prison, prison abolition being one of them,

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Speaker 3: and then also trans healthcare and just you know LGBT

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Speaker 3: in general, but like specifically trans healthcare that we have

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Speaker 3: been seeing we are seeing a lot of the same

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Speaker 3: restrictions and bands uh spreading to that very quickly, like

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Speaker 3: faster than I. I mean, like I knew things were bad,

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Speaker 3: you would think that I would just like, you know,

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Speaker 3: expect the worst. But like I, I didn't think that

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Speaker 3: we would see the legislation for the anti trans health

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Speaker 3: uh healthcare and gender firming services legislation move as fast

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Speaker 3: as it has, like I should have and I didn't,

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Speaker 3: And it's been incredibly fast, and and it feels so

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Speaker 3: similar and I should I don't even want to say

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Speaker 3: it feels similar. It is. It's when I when I'm

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Speaker 3: seeing it happen, I'm like, this is the same thing.

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Speaker 3: They're using trap laws, which are laws that so uh

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Speaker 3: target actual providers. I mean, I guess you can't really

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Speaker 3: call them trap laws because abortion providers in that.

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Speaker 2: Trap thing which not going to get it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, abortion services, but yeah, but uh, it's the same

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Speaker 5: like type of of restrictions and bands, and we're seeing

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Speaker 5: them spread to those kinds of health.

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Speaker 3: Care services, so it's impacting other types of health care services.

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Speaker 3: And it's I and I'm seeing a lot of the

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Speaker 3: same legal back and forth where it's like, oh, this

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Speaker 3: law went into effect, like for example, in Florida, and

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Speaker 3: oh now it's being challenged in court, so it's it's

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Speaker 3: not being it's not enforced right now, so it kind

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Speaker 3: which I mean, it's always good to see a restriction

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Speaker 3: temporarily paused in a band temporarily paused because that relief

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Speaker 3: is needed. I see that in abortion care, Like when

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Speaker 3: when there is a band that is temporarily reversed by

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Speaker 3: the courts, it is like, thank, thank god, I'm so happy,

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Speaker 3: you know, we get some relief. We can we can

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Speaker 3: see people for their healthcare services tomorrow. However, that back

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Speaker 3: and forth is incredibly confusing and creates confusion and chaos

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Speaker 3: on a and like on a mass scale, because it's

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Speaker 3: like can I access these services? Can I not accesse

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Speaker 3: these services? Can I get at these services in the

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Speaker 3: stage where I have to travel out of state? It's

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Speaker 3: more than like the individual can keep up with and

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Speaker 3: confusion is the point. So like when I'm seeing some

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Speaker 3: of these bands related to trans health services, I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm glad that I'm pretty sure I have

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Speaker 3: to admit I have not read the news in the

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Speaker 3: some relief right now. But I just know what that

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Speaker 3: mass confusion looks like for individuals, and I'm like, this

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Speaker 3: is so similar. Oh my god, this is this is

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Speaker 3: the same type of fight. This is the same fight.

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Speaker 2: And I think, you know, because like this is also

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Speaker 2: another thing with the media is just just like active accomplices,

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Speaker 2: Like this, this is a kind of thing where like

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Speaker 2: like they're doing this on purpose so they can generate

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Speaker 2: But you know, like one of the one of the

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Speaker 2: things is very that's just fucking awful about this stuff

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Speaker 2: is that like the the people who are reporting on

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Speaker 2: this don't understand how these laws work, and so you know,

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Speaker 2: like I mean, like I this is my job, right,

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Speaker 2: Like I cover this for a living, and I will

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Speaker 2: read a report about something and I can't tell what

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Speaker 2: the stupid ass journalists who they've hired, who like have

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Speaker 2: are only tangentially aware of what the law is, like

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Speaker 2: like the concept of the law is something they were

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Speaker 2: don't fucking know what these bills do, right, so you

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Speaker 2: have to like go actually read the bill. But that

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Speaker 2: doesn't help because you know this this is yeah, this

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Speaker 2: is like, this is I think a very similar strategy

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Speaker 2: of like there's there's this way in which like constant onslaught,

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Speaker 2: constant sort of confusion, constant terror. And also you know,

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Speaker 2: to the courts that that is very similar to what

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Speaker 2: the entire struggle over abortion biites look like. And you know,

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Speaker 2: we know how that ended it. It doesn't it didn't work,

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Speaker 2: and it's not going to work with with with transferrts either,

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Speaker 2: and like it, and you know, and I think something

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Speaker 2: that like we're going to see more of as you know,

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Speaker 2: because like water, some of these bands will be struck down,

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Speaker 2: but you know, you're gonna get the abortion thing where

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Speaker 2: it's like Okay, so you like one bag gets struck down,

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Speaker 2: so they pass another one that you just keep passing

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Speaker 2: them until they can find one that their fucking judges

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they like reintroduce bills that are like practically

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Speaker 3: the same thing but like slightly different, and they just

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Speaker 3: like retry stuff after doing like political shenanigans and and

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Speaker 3: and we're still we're still doing the legal back and

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Speaker 3: forth approach. And abortion care like it's still the same thing,

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Speaker 3: like it hasn't changed. And seeing that also happen, it's like, well,

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Speaker 3: people need health care now, like with abortion care and

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Speaker 3: trans healthcare, it's like you need that healthcare when you

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Speaker 3: need it, like right now, today, tomorrow, and when there

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Speaker 3: and it's confusing when you see the news stories like

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Speaker 3: of accessing like lowering the quality of that healthcare and

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Speaker 3: health care now like today. And it's it's cumulative because

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Speaker 3: like you you lose the ability to keep track of

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Speaker 3: what you have the right to do and what you

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Speaker 3: don't and and these are these are the same, Like

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Speaker 3: there are issues of controlling your life and your body

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Speaker 3: and of privacy as well, you know, your ability. It's

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Speaker 3: like your business, it's your body, and the state is

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Speaker 3: to this happening to even more people, because it's it's

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Speaker 3: hard enough watching what happens to people who need abortions

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Speaker 3: their bodies. Also having that, you know, having that impeded

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Speaker 3: is just like oh my god, Like not only were

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Speaker 3: another type of health care. And and another thing too,

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Speaker 3: is like abortion providers are also trans healthcare providers. Like yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's it's like body stuff. It's like you know, like

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Speaker 3: it's they're they're like often the same building.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like like plant planned parenthood does both. Yeah, runs

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Speaker 2: through planned parenthood.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of independent clinics to a lot of

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Speaker 3: independent abortion providers also provide trans healthcare as well and

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Speaker 3: gender hormones. Uh, gender hormone, I keep saying gender hormone,

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Speaker 3: even though that doesn't make any.

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Speaker 1: Sense, But.

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Speaker 3: Hormone therapy services and gender for me, I feel like

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Speaker 3: I'm like combining those together. But they offer both.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but but that also means that like if you

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Speaker 2: one of the reasons, you've also knocked out the services

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Speaker 2: for everyone else too, write so like it's you know,

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Speaker 2: and I think this is something that's very important about

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Speaker 2: the way the right seas is that the right seas

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Speaker 2: this has the same fight very clearly, and that I

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Speaker 2: don't know, I mean, I think I think in terms

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Speaker 2: like it's understood that it is the same fight, but

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Speaker 2: I don't think it is as much in the general public.

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Speaker 2: Even though the like for the people you're fighting against,

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Speaker 2: they are you know, incredibly like viscerally and disturbingly clear

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Speaker 2: fact that you know, like destroying people's autonomies and using

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Speaker 2: It's it's like it's literally the same groups a proud

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Speaker 2: and who during trans healthcare fighting what is essentially like

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00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 2: a three way war where they are they are under

434
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 2: assault from the right and from the state who are

435
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 2: trying to criminalize the health care that they provide and

436
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 2: you know, directly target them through trap laws and through

437
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: that I don't we need to figure out what their

438
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: name for the version of the anti translots, but you know,

439
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 2: so they're being specifically targeted by the state, and then

440
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 2: they're also fighting a conflict with their own employers and

441
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: whether that's whether that's private healthcare providers or that's NGOs

442
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 2: who are you know, don't want to pay them shit.

443
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: You know, our funnel are funneling all of this fucking

444
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: money into paying somebody's fucking dipshit cousin like three hundred

445
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year to be like the vice executive

446
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: director of like policy marketing or something.

447
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, and and.

448
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: The way, the way in which you know this this

449
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,479
Speaker 2: is this has turned into a union struggle that is

450
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 2: deeply like it kind of in a lot of ways,

451
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: deeply unpopular among liberals because they just don't they don't

452
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: see like healthcare providers as workers.

453
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Speaker 3: Yeah. It it has been such a strange experience union

454
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: organizing and and and contract negotiating during a national health crisis.

455
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 3: And after the fall of Ruby Wait it was so like,

456
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 3: you know, Ruby Waight is overturned and we got to

457
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 3: go to the barging table and that's where money and

458
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 3: it's it's it's definitely it's it's it's really hard because

459
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 3: the stress is so compounded for all of the workers.

460
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 3: And I know I've had uh peers in the community

461
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 3: and in the abortion providing abortion advocacy community say things like,

462
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 3: you know, you expect a snake to be a snake,

463
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 3: Like you know that the right is going to attack

464
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 3: you and the fascists are going to do whatever they

465
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 3: can to take away your right to autonomy and privacy.

466
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 3: But it hurts a lot more Like personally, I think

467
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: it hurts so much more. And it's been so painful

468
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 3: in the last year to see the ways in which

469
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 3: the people on our side, the people who have the

470
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 3: same goals as us, ultimately like of like, you know,

471
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 3: we want people to have abortions and we want people

472
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 3: to access health care, and they are to have them

473
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 3: hurt you yeah, because yeah, because like they're not supposed

474
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 3: to be snakes, and it hurts. It hurts a lot more.

475
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 3: And a lot of the same people, don't. I feel

476
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 3: like they're the same kind of folks who didn't understand

477
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 3: the immediacy of needing to protect because so you know, LGBT,

478
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 3: I feel like we should have gone harder for the tea,

479
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 3: you know, like all these like how long has we

480
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 3: have we had the acronym LGBT and like, and it's

481
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: like this whole time, it's like we like we could

482
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: have seen this coming. We shouldn't. It was like it

483
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: clearly was like the same with Roe v WA, where

484
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: it's like they are coming for rov Wade, this is coming.

485
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 3: We could have done so much more to prepare. And

486
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: I feel like in the a lot of the same way,

487
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 3: the same people who are like devaluing the labor who

488
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 3: didn't do enough to protect abortion services are the same

489
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 3: people who didn't do enough to protect just like trans

490
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: people in general.

491
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think there's like there's I think there's

492
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: definitely a sort of expendability thing there too, right, I

493
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: mean this is something that it's like very explicitly in

494
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 2: the two thousands, like the sort of I don't I

495
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 2: don't know what the technical term for them is, but

496
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,719
Speaker 2: like big gay, like you know, the big big abortion

497
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 2: and big gay. Yeah, well the big the big sort

498
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: of like LGBTQ like NGOs, right, you're like human rights

499
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 2: campaign like groups like that very explicitly made a decision

500
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 2: in the two thousands where they were like, Okay, we're

501
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 2: gonna drop our demands for stuff like trans healthcare and

502
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: trans recognition in order to sort of build a broader

503
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: base to get like gay marriage and shit. And that

504
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: that was a very supos decision that they made, and

505
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: you know, and it worked for them, right, Like yeah,

506
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: like we got gay marriage, right.

507
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: Well we didn't. Well we didn't.

508
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: Actually we got through the fucking courts, not through like

509
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: the legal process, right, and it took ages too, but

510
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: like yeah, but like that was you know, and like

511
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: they they eventually sort of came back around them, were like,

512
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: we're trans allies, but then you know, all of the

513
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: shit was happening. I mean, so this has been going

514
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 2: on since like twenty like twenty sixteen, right is like

515
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: the first like the first bathroom bills start, and you know,

516
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: I mean it was over half a decade where things

517
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: could have been done and they just weren't.

518
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: And you know, like it's it's the it's the same thing, like.

519
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: Like people just get used as like like people's health

520
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: just gets in their body get used as bargaining chips. Yep.

521
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: And I feel like in these all of these situations

522
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 3: that we're talking about, it it's not looking out for

523
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: the most vulnerable. Because so if you're talking about you know,

524
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 3: healthcare and I don't want to say women's rights, I

525
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 3: mean it used to be women's rights, and then now

526
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: it's just like you know, like abortion access and you're

527
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 3: not looking like who needs this the most, and you're

528
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: not looking out for the most vulnerable. And part of

529
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: that part of it in terms of abortion services is

530
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: the compromising, you know, compromising on bands like oh, a

531
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: fifteen week abortion ban is reasonable. No, it's not. No

532
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: abortion of ban is reasonable. But so that's what abortion services.

533
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: And then with with the fight for queer liberation. You know,

534
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: who's the most vulnerable? Will trans people have been the

535
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 3: most vulnerable and not looking out for them? And then

536
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: the frontline workers, Like, who's the most vulnerable when it

537
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: comes to people doing this work providing these services, The

538
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: frontline workers, the people who don't who don't make much

539
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: who you know, the people who a aren't managers or

540
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 3: CEOs and I mean, like you know, senior management and

541
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: CEOs and things like that, are They're in different situations

542
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: than the people who are answering the phone and scheduling

543
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: and talking to the patients and taking their blood pressure

544
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: and giving them their medication. And yeah, it's just not

545
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 3: looking out for the people in the most vulnerable situations.

546
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 3: It's killing us. It's literally killing us.

547
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: You have to.

548
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: It's just so much focus on the wrong things when

549
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 3: we really should be focused on the most vulnerable all around.

550
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: And I think also like the extent to which all

551
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: of these struggles are labor struggles, right, I mean, this

552
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: is one of the things about trans healthcare as we've

553
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: talked about them that much, is that, like I think

554
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: this is sort of a product of like the kinds

555
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: of trans people who get representation, but you know, like

556
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of people who think that,

557
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: like the average trans person is like a fucking tech

558
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: worker in California, And it's like no, like the like

559
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: the the the the the actual like median trans person

560
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: like works at a works at a EPs warehouse or

561
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: you know, it's like a vet tech or like you know,

562
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: does all of this ship that you know works like

563
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: just really shitty service jobs and like you know the

564
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: stuff for like like i mean struggles like we're not

565
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: even having because we're we've been like kicked all the

566
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: way back down to like can.

567
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: We legally exist?

568
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: But like you know, things like like people getting housing

569
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: right like that that kind of stuff like those are

570
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: labor struggles.

571
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: The struggle for abortion.

572
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 2: Is is also labor struggle because like again, like you

573
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: can't fucking have abortions without workers who do the abortions.

574
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: Like they don't, they don't just magically spring fully formed

575
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: from like the mind of an ngo.

576
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 3: Like and also like I mean, you need you need

577
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: labor protections in order to access healthcare. It's just a fact, yeah,

578
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 3: like you know, because that's just yet another obstacle that

579
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: patients are experiencing. Is getting off work like yeah, you

580
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 3: got kids and you got to like fly to like

581
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: across the country to access healthcare services, and you got

582
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 3: to recover from those healthcare services, and it's like you

583
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: gotta have PTO and like how many people don't have that?

584
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

585
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: And it works the other way too, right, where like

586
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: like this is the thing we've been seeing with Starbucks,

587
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: We've been seeing as at Google too. People trying to

588
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: unionize is like having healthcare is a is a thing

589
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: that your your work uses and like hangs over your

590
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: head like to control you. And this has been an

591
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: explicit thing. Like Starbucks specifically did this thing where they're like, well,

592
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: if you try to unionize, like we can't guarantee you're

593
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: gonna have like we're gonna like get ready of your

594
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: trans healthcare. Oh jesus yeah, and like you know and

595
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 2: like this kind of like you know that that's like

596
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: like them just like dropping the mask and saying the

597
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: quiet part loud, but like you know, like people's people's

598
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: access to healthcare is an enormous union busting tactic.

599
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: So it's like it's literally just like on.

600
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: Both sides of the struggle, like it is it is.

601
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: It is just at all levels a labor struggle and

602
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: it's not thought of like that.

603
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again, like I know, I brought up silos

604
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: before in terms of like types of healthcare, but the

605
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 3: same silos. It's kind of like a liberal it's like

606
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: liberal siloing where you're separating the issues and you can't.

607
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: They're all connected. Abortion care, pregnancy care, raising your families,

608
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: police violence, prison abolition, trans healthcare, labor rights, unionizing, They're

609
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: all connected, and we don't connect the dots enough. I

610
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: think in this country, at least the people who have

611
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 3: power don't. And I think the separation of these issues

612
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: has has really hurt us. And we're stronger together, you know,

613
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: safety and solidarity and all that. So if every abortion

614
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: care worker and abortion volunteer, abortion advocate, and you know,

615
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 3: queer liberation advocate, trans health advocate, just transliberation advocate, union organizer,

616
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: no or union member, even if you're like working for

617
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 3: if you're a plumber, you know, if we all can

618
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: identify that we have are it's all one fight and

619
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 3: it's all connected, will be better off for it. So yeah,

620
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 3: if we can.

621
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think something that's also is really important

622
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: is that, like I mean, this is historically like you know,

623
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 2: if you want to look at how working classicivements are defeated,

624
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: it's you pick people off by finding something that you know, like,

625
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: for example, like like one of one of the ways

626
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: you can sort of beat a worker's to amit is

627
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 2: by like that movement not dealing with the sort of

628
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: rapid patriarchy and the movements. And you know, you can

629
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: radicalize people to the right by just sort of like

630
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: by like doing sort of misogyist politics, or you can

631
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 2: do the thing that like the you know, this is

632
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 2: this is the sort of the Christian democratic strategy in uh,

633
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: like in Europe was you know, they they they recognized

634
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: that the workers groupments like weren't really like organizing women

635
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: in any substantive way, and so they you know, they

636
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: were able to create this massive sort of anti communist

637
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: like like center right bulwark against like organized labor by

638
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: like actually organizing women, right, and you know, and this

639
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 2: is this is something that they sort of do everywhere,

640
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: which is like yeah, like if if if if you,

641
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: if you aren't fighting all of these things at the

642
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 2: same time and conceptualizing you at the same time, like

643
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: you will get you will get picked apart one by

644
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: one in your individual struggle and the movement will collapse

645
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 2: and die and that's really hard, and you know, like

646
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 2: the deck has been stacked against us, but that that's

647
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 2: that's the cards that we have, and yeah, we have

648
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: to deal with them.

649
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Speaker 3: And to to like be a little bit to look

650
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 3: more like on the positive side, because like you know,

651
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, we we've had our ass is kicked

652
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: and we've lost so much. We have lost so much,

653
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 3: We've lost so many of our basic human rights in

654
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: this country. But like abortions are still happening, and TRANSHLTH

655
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 3: is still being provided, and there are communities looking out

656
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 3: for people who are in need of these services and

657
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: in need of safety because like it's not just about

658
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: the basic health services, but you know, you have to

659
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 3: be safe. Well, you know, if you're pregnant and you

660
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 3: need health care, you want to be safe. And then

661
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: also if you're like a trans individual and you don't

662
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 3: feel safe, it's helpful to have those organizations there. Yeah, exactly,

663
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: that's totally what I have in mind. And on the

664
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 3: right side, like that is like those are still being

665
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: like the healthcare is still being provided even if it

666
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 3: has been decimated and people are having to move mountains

667
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 3: in order to get there. You know, abortions are happening,

668
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,479
Speaker 3: and every day where I'm still doing I'm still getting

669
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: people abortions. There are workers who are helping people get

670
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: the health care that they need, the hormones that they need,

671
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: and there are people like you know, teaching defense and

672
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: security and working together. And we need to continue to

673
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: do this because I you know, I am really angry

674
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: and I am really just fucked in the head now

675
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 3: because of everything that I've experienced and had to witness,

676
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 3: and it's soul crushing, but I just keep doing it

677
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 3: because that it just needs to happen like this. People

678
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: need this health care, people need this information, people need

679
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 3: to be connected safety and solidarity, and I just you know,

680
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 3: we have to keep going, like you know, so we

681
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 3: have to defend the workers providing these services. We have

682
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: to defend people accessing these services, whether it's abortion or

683
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: trans health, and we need to just keep doing it

684
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 3: no matter how awful we feel. And you know, this

685
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 3: has been an incredibly hard year and I have had

686
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 3: conversations that I never would have wanted to have ever

687
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 3: and that are hard to carry with me. And I'm

688
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 3: going to carry these conversations. You know, these memories are

689
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 3: like in my head now and that I have them

690
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 3: for the rest of my life maybe, and they're they're

691
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 3: in my head, you know, they're there. I've it's happened,

692
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 3: and I'm just really grateful for the other people doing

693
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: this work and that they're there and that I'm not

694
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 3: the only one feeling this way, and that we have

695
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: each other's backs, and that we we do have the

696
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 3: same fight, Like knowing that we have the same fight,

697
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know that solidarity means means everything right now,

698
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 3: because it's more than just like winning or losing. Like, yeah,

699
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: we've we've lost a lot, and we're continuing to lose

700
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 3: a lot, but we're all still here and we all

701
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: still need we still need like care, We need to

702
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 3: just take care of ourselves and each other still. So

703
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 3: I'm going to keep doing this work. I know that

704
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 3: other people are going to keep doing this work, and

705
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 3: I know that there will always be help available, whether

706
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 3: you know, finding it is one thing, but I know

707
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 3: that it will always be there, and I try to

708
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: take solace in that because this is this is a

709
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 3: collective trauma that our generation is going to see out

710
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: for the rest of our lives, and it's going to

711
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: bleed into the next generation. And there's a lot I

712
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 3: hope for, you know, before I die, there's a lot

713
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: I hope to see. So I hope that I see

714
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 3: it to end. This is not a positive note because

715
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 3: I know at the very beginning, I know, like when

716
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 3: we first started talking Mia, I saw we wanted to

717
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 3: end in a positive note. So that involves me sharing

718
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 3: like the thing that cheers me up the most and

719
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: that like pushes all the right buttons for me. But

720
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 3: there have been some good things in terms of like

721
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 3: abortion access in the last six months, so I want

722
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 3: to share that it all starts. It starts with Partners Clinic.

723
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 3: They Partner's Clinic is an ull trimester clinic in in

724
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: Maryland and they opened this year and they were doing

725
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 3: fundraising and first of all, they're amazing. They're an amazing

726
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 3: team of workers, amazing abortion providers. I love Partners Clinic there.

727
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 3: I just I could not, I cannot praise them enough.

728
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: And they they were fundraising to open their clinic and

729
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 3: have everything that they need and you know, you know,

730
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 3: have money for staff and everything. And it was picked

731
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: up by prison culture more commonly that's like her online handle.

732
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: A lot of people like know her as prison Culture,

733
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: but Maryamikaba and she started fundraising for them, and she

734
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 3: was able to help so much that they surpassed their

735
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 3: goal and they opened. And now we have another all

736
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Speaker 3: trimester abortion clinic in the United States, staffed by the

737
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 3: most compassionate, amazing, hardworking individuals. And that cheered me up

738
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 3: so much because I obviously love maryam Akaba and and

739
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: prison abolition. I know, I'm a prison abolitionist, so seeing

740
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: her like seeing her see how the issues are connected

741
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 3: that they're like that, you know, they go together, and

742
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 3: organizing for that on top of the work that she

743
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 3: is already doing for abolition, I was just like so

744
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: happy to see that. And on the topic of all

745
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 3: trimester abortion clinics, there is another one opening up as well,

746
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 3: and this cheers me up immensely as well. They are

747
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: called the Valley Abortion Group. They're not open yet, they're

748
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,479
Speaker 3: currently fundraising. I could probably send you the link to post.

749
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 3: Maybe Yeah, so they're not open yet, but you know

750
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 3: they're getting there. And they're called the Value Abortion Group.

751
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: They're gonna be another ultrimester clinic and they're going to

752
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 3: be located in New Mexico, and they're I just want

753
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 3: to point out that their acronym is VAGE, which I

754
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 3: just I think is really important to point out. Hell yeah,

755
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 3: So you know, we saw partners open and that was amazing,

756
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 3: and now we're going to have another one opening up

757
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 3: and that's amazing. So, you know, love and support for

758
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 3: Value Abortion Group because honestly, the more we need a

759
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 3: abortion clinics period, like we need more of them, but

760
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 3: especially all trimester, especially now that these bands have been

761
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 3: pushing people further and further along into the pregnancy before

762
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 3: they can access these services. It's so important for them

763
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 3: to exist. And on this topic, I also want to

764
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 3: bring up that, you know, there are stories out there

765
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 3: of people who it takes them six months to get

766
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 3: an abortion appointment. Six months christ I just want to

767
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 3: bring that up because that's happening. Because I know that

768
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: I've said like five weeks a lot while we're talking,

769
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 3: but like it takes some people six months. So it's

770
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 3: really important for these ultramester abortion clinics to exist and

771
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 3: for us and the communities that we're part of to

772
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: welcome them with open arms and like big love. And

773
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 3: also on the same topic of good news, things that

774
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 3: cheer me up, prison abolition, abortion access, all of these

775
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 3: good good topics. Prison culture. Mary Macaba is now fundraising

776
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 3: for another abortion practical support group, and I have to

777
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 3: mention this up because mention this because this fundraising is

778
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 3: happening right now. So if you go to prison Cultures Twitter,

779
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 3: she's like fundraising for it every single day. But she

780
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,720
Speaker 3: is fundraising for the Online Abortion Resource Squad, So Online

781
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 3: Abortion Resource Squad or OARS for short. What they are

782
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: is they are entirely volunteer organization, which is why they

783
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: need to pay them for their labor. This is really

784
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: important work that Daily Monitors moderates and provides quality posts

785
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: on Our abortion was our slash abortion? How should I

786
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 3: read that? So basically our slash abortion. So the reddit

787
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 3: the subreddit for just abortion on Reddit, which I think

788
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 3: that like when I immediately say that, some people might

789
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 3: not realize how important that is. But as these bands

790
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 3: have just spread and gotten worse and the abortion access

791
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 3: deserts have widened, it is so important for people to

792
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 3: be able to access quality information, and a lot of

793
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 3: people go to Reddit, Like so many people go to

794
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: Reddit to find out information, So like the Daily page

795
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 3: hits for our slash Abortion is just up and up

796
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 3: and up and up. And there's a group of volunteers

797
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 3: that you know, like don'tate their their their hours, their

798
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: free time, you know, their energy to give people the

799
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 3: answers that they're looking for and to like walk them

800
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: through a process. Because a lot of people, you know,

801
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 3: they want to help, so they post links. So they're like, oh,

802
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 3: you you're in a band state and you can't access services,

803
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 3: so they just post a link to I don't know,

804
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 3: like aid access. But it's more than it's not that easy,

805
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 3: Like you can't just like give somebody a link to

806
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 3: aid access and be like here's your abortion. No, Like

807
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 3: you need to ask questions, You need somebody to assist you,

808
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 3: follow up questions if something doesn't work, like oh my god,

809
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 3: the payment's not working, like you need help? And or

810
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 3: is the Online Abortion Resource Squad. They go into our

811
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 3: Abortion every single day and they make sure that people

812
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 3: get help. And they've been doing this labor for free,

813
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 3: and now prison culture is helping them basically get them,

814
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: get them paid, get them money, get them, get them

815
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 3: make it so that way they can do that, like

816
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 3: you know, they don't have to you know, find different

817
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: options for employment. You know, they don't have to struggle

818
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 3: to get by, like they there's money sustaining them, so

819
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 3: that way they can make sure that people have their

820
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: questions answered all day and that is so important. Like

821
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 3: I just like, I just I never thought, like if

822
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Speaker 3: you had asked me, like like seven years ago, if

823
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 3: I thought people posting on Reddit would be life saving,

824
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 3: I would have totally like just not taken that seriously.

825
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 3: But now I'm like, I'm like, oh my god, people

826
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 3: are flocking to Reddit every day just try to find

827
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: out how to get an abortion, and there are people

828
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 3: volunteering their time to get them quality answers and make

829
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: sure that they get the care that they're looking for.

830
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: And I love that. I love that an abolitionist, like

831
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 3: a prison abolition police in prison abolitionists, has identified that

832
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 3: this is a significant need that people in these different

833
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 3: communities that are typically like a little bit siloed are

834
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 3: supporting each other's causes. I think that abolition and abortion

835
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: go hand in hand. And this just cheers me up immensely.

836
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 3: And the fact that like there are resource hubs online

837
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: that are that are like that are coming to bat

838
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 3: you know, like, oh, this horrible thing has happened, Roe v.

839
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 3: Wade has been overturned, and what are we going to do?

840
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 3: And it's like, well, go go answer people's questions on Reddit,

841
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 3: and yeah, So I wanted to share that because I

842
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 3: said a lot of sad stuff about how horrifying and

843
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 3: traumatic and this all is and how there's so much

844
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: human suffering. So it's just because of that, I just

845
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 3: I also wanted to to take time to say, like, hey,

846
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 3: there are people making sure that people get care. There

847
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 3: are amazing people, you know, working to get people paid

848
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 3: and get people funding and make it so that way

849
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: this work is sustainable, because like, sustainability is its own thing,

850
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 3: Like yeah, who, Like it is hard to fight against fascism,

851
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 3: Like it's we're being we're having our are basic human

852
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 3: rights violated on a daily basis, and we are being dehumanized,

853
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 3: and that is incredibly difficult to fight constantly on top

854
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 3: of having to pay your bills and you know, like

855
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 3: deal with whatever the heck's going on in your life.

856
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 3: So I'm just like, I'm really grateful for Mary Micaba

857
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 3: and everyone who has helped her. I'm really grateful for

858
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 3: partners and Value Abortion Group Badge and I am really

859
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 3: grateful for the Online Abortion Resource squad Ors and all

860
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 3: of their amazing volunteers. And I hope that like, if

861
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 3: somebody is feeling helpless and and like feeling like they

862
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 3: don't know what to do in these really scary times,

863
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 3: they can look toward like look to these examples and

864
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 3: be like, well, I can provide good information to people.

865
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 3: I can share donation opportunities or donate myself, and I

866
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 3: can uplift this stuff and recognize how valuable even posting

867
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 3: online can be sometimes because I posting online usually not

868
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 3: a good thing. But you know, if you are helping

869
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 3: somebody get healthcare and you're utilizing like, you know, a

870
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: popular platform to spread that information, you're doing a great

871
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 3: job and you deserve all the shout outs. So yeah,

872
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 3: so yeah, those are some really those that's what's cheering

873
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 3: me up in the year twenty twenty three. As I

874
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 3: approach like June twenty fourth, the anniversary, I'm like, oh

875
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 3: my god, everything's really awful, But this is what's cheering

876
00:49:58,960 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 3: me up.

877
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know, well, okay, I guess I

878
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 2: do know why this is spontaneously leapt to my head.

879
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: But the thing that I the thing that.

880
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 2: I always think about is the there's a Zappatista slogan

881
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 2: that goes to pot of lives, the struggle continues, And yeah,

882
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: I mean I don't have anything else.

883
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: It's you know, but I mean that struggle. Look like

884
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: the thing.

885
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 2: About this right, like there there's a reason that it's

886
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 2: a like they have to spend all of this effort

887
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 2: on it because there is actually a struggle. And the

888
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: fact that they have to they spend so much effort,

889
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 2: so much resources, so much of their time, and so

890
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: much of their power on this, like is also proof

891
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 2: of their weakness. That this is not something that they

892
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: can do just sort of neutrally right, and it's it's

893
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: something that can be stopped and can be rolled back.

894
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean the the fact that it is

895
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: a struggle like it in and of itself like implies

896
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: that they're wrong in in and of itself, demonstrates that

897
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 2: we are also still fighting, and we are going to

898
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 2: continue fighting and one day we are going to beat

899
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 2: these fuckers.

900
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 3: Yep, I believe it. I mean, like, yeah, I'm like

901
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 3: talking openly and honestly about the toll of the human suffering,

902
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 3: but I believe that we can stop this if we

903
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 3: if we keep going, and I I hope I see

904
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 3: that in my lifetime. And I uh, and I think

905
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 3: it's it's a sada shakuri. I think where is where

906
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 3: there's oppression, there is resistance that that that makes me

907
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 3: feel better, you know, like because which ah, God, God,

908
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 3: just like I know is speaking of liberals, there's I

909
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 3: just don't understand the take where it's like, oh, these

910
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 3: red states are getting what they deserve, Texas is getting

911
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 3: what the deserves, Florida is getting with what they deserve,

912
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 3: and it's like no, like they they're being oppressed and

913
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 3: they are fighting their oppression. And I love people in

914
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 3: those states and I love the people fighting, and I

915
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 3: I just I don't know how you can look at

916
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 3: that and not be filled with like love and awe,

917
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 3: just like in the way that I'm filled with like

918
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 3: love and awe when I see like how hard people

919
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 3: are working to navigate these barriers and to access the

920
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 3: health care that they need, Like I'm just like you

921
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 3: are being so brave, you are You're so strong to

922
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 3: do this, and like not everyone is seeing it, you know,

923
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 3: because like these are like you know, private like journeys

924
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 3: to get healthcare. But like I'm seeing it and I'm like, God,

925
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 3: these people are so amazing and people are fighting so

926
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 3: hard and they are continuing to struggle and they're not

927
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 3: giving I mean, some people are giving up because like

928
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 3: the state is like forcing it on them, but like

929
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,959
Speaker 3: a lot of people aren't giving up. And I am

930
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 3: I'm constantly in awe about that because yeah, yeah, it's

931
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 3: a lot of witnessing human suffering and people suffer, but

932
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 3: also it's witnessing a lot of people be really strong

933
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 3: and really fight and for what they deserve. And I'm

934
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 3: so glad I get to witness that too, even though

935
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 3: I wish, you know, I didn't have to see all

936
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 3: the suffering, but you know, I'm really grateful to see

937
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 3: the struggle too. I love human beings and I'm just

938
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 3: we're awesome, Like we I mean, a lot of us aren't,

939
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 3: but the rest of us are ores putting up a

940
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 3: good fight. So I think we can win. I think

941
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 3: we can win.

942
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So, I know we've talked about a few links.

943
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: Do you have anything else that any other links that

944
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: you want to talk about to send people to? So, yeah,

945
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, do you have anything else you want to

946
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 2: send people to so that they can help support the

947
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 2: struggles that are going on.

948
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 3: I don't think I have any additional ones I want

949
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 3: to give right now. I think that the ones that

950
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 3: I've brought up like deserve all of the attention right now.

951
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna like say him again. So I

952
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 3: know previously I mentioned the Texas Equal Access Fund the

953
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 3: T Fund, and Texas is doing a lot right now,

954
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 3: and honestly, the other Texas funds are two that was

955
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 3: just like the one that I see the most. Chicago

956
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 3: Abortion Fund is doing amazing work right now. Partners Clinic,

957
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 3: which is located in Maryland, like shout out to their team.

958
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 3: I love them so much. They are they they are

959
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 3: like the light in the darkness right now. Valley Abortion

960
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 3: Group Badge, which will hopefully be opening I don't know

961
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 3: when they're opening, but I'm looking forward to them opening

962
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 3: so much in New Mexico. And and then the online

963
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 3: Abortion Resource squad Ors the Saints of our slash Abortion Like,

964
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 3: I just I want to like shout them out with

965
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 3: this like platform that I have right now, So Google

966
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 3: all them, check them out, click the links, and then

967
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 3: of course, you know again your local abortion Fund, like

968
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 3: it just just don't get tired of hearing donate to

969
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 3: your local bortion fun just like say it again, just

970
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 3: like right on the back of your eyeballs. It's that.

971
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 3: That's that's what we getting. That's what's getting people healthcare

972
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 3: right now, people who can't wait. So yeah, I just

973
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 3: like uplifting all those things again, Like I'm sure like

974
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 3: there are there are a lot of amazing groups doing work.

975
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 3: I could probably like take like an hour listing all

976
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 3: of them, but uh like right now, those are the

977
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 3: ones where I'm like, hell, yeah, this is amazing.

978
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, thank you, thank you again so much

979
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 2: for for coming and talking with us about this.

980
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. I love talking about all of the pain and suffering.

981
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 3: And you know, catch me outside screaming at the sky

982
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 3: and shaking my fist and drinking a lot of mimosas. Yeah,

983
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 3: in the next couple of weeks. This is a rough

984
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,959
Speaker 3: This is a rough month. This is a rough month.

985
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 3: I'm not happy to be here, but I'm happy about

986
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 3: some things. Just this is not It's been a hard year.

987
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 3: It's been a really hard year. But I'm happy to

988
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 3: be on this podcast.

989
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I hope all of you in literally whatever

990
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: way you can, like do something to make this better,

991
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 2: because we all owe it to each other, and we

992
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 2: owe it to everyone who has to live under the

993
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 2: system that you know, like hasn't built in our name

994
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 2: to do something and not to just sort of sit

995
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 2: back and let this just let the engine to suffering

996
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: keep rolling over more people.

997
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 3: And even small things are valuable too. I feel like

998
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 3: a lot I've known a lot of people who are like,

999
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 3: you know, like, oh, you know, I got a lot

1000
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 3: going on and I can't I don't know how to.

1001
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:06,919
Speaker 3: I just can't help that much. And it's like even

1002
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 3: the little things you do are meaningful, Like even like

1003
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 3: ten dollars is like like somebody who's traveling's lunch, you know,

1004
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 3: Like that's a big deal. So don't don't undersell the

1005
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 3: little things that you can do. Even little things are

1006
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 3: really meaningful right now, Like what you have the capacity for,

1007
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 3: no one's gonna I'm not gonna shake a stick at it.

1008
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 3: I think any contribution is incredibly valuable, no matter how small.

1009
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 2: So unless you're rich, yeah, unless you're rich, which can Unless.

1010
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 3: You're rich, then what are you doing? Like why there

1011
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 3: are some people I'm like, why are they like, oh

1012
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 3: oh oh, while I'm here, while I'm actually speaking of

1013
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 3: rich while I'm on a podcast, and we can talk

1014
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 3: about things like people who can help, like I'm thinking

1015
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 3: about like Taylor Swift right now, Like Taylor Swift can

1016
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,479
Speaker 3: probably donate so much money to abortion funds right because,

1017
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 3: like she's touring right now and she's used to having

1018
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 3: all these concerts and various parts of the world, and

1019
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 3: those hotel prices are going up like crazy. So, like

1020
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 3: I know that she had a concert in Chicago recently,

1021
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 3: and there the Chicago Abortion Fund was like trying to

1022
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 3: book hotels for traveling abortion patients. So patients who are

1023
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 3: traveling from band States to get abortion services in Chicago,

1024
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 3: and they were paying like way more for the hotel

1025
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 3: hotel costs because of the local Taylor Swift concert. And

1026
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 3: it's like, Taylor Swift, donate to abortion funds. What are

1027
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 3: you doing? You're driving up hotel prices for patients. What

1028
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 3: do you donate? Donate to abortion Funds, Taylor Swift. So

1029
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 3: that's what I just wanted to add that or any

1030
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 3: artists who's driving up hotel prices, Come on, people need

1031
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 3: health care. What are you doing?

1032
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 2: Wonderful system that we live in, a wonderful opportunity in

1033
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: this generation to make it not be like that, I know, right, like.

1034
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 3: I was having to ask, but.

1035
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I guess that's my that's my closing message,

1036
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 2: to go out into the world and make the world

1037
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: not fucking like this.

1038
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, can we not?

1039
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? It could Happen here as a production of cool

1040
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 2: Zone Media.

1041
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,920
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1042
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,200
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1043
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,680
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1044
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,320
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1045
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Speaker 1: monthly at cool zonemedia dot com slash sources.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening.