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Speaker 1: All right, here we go, Pack twelve fans. This one's

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Speaker 1: for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles, and only

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Speaker 1: the truth lives here. Pack twelve Apostles Apostles. The Pack

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Speaker 1: twelve is now out of the College Football Playoff conversation.

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Speaker 1: Bad news for the conference financially and prestige wise, but

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Speaker 1: at least the TV ratings were good. Right, Um, there

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Speaker 1: is the coaching carousel in the PAC twelve continues. There

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Speaker 1: course we're gonna review week twelve and preview week thirteen,

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Speaker 1: and it's basketball season. People get excited. I'm George Rice Stir,

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Speaker 1: He's Ralph Amson. And this is the Pack twelve Apostles,

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Speaker 1: the podcast Bipack twelve fans, four Pack twelve fans. Where

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Speaker 1: you get the truth, You're gonna get the heat. No sugarcoating.

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Speaker 1: We keep it one hundred at all times. Uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: two nine three seven five four seven. That's three seven,

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Speaker 1: five or seven. Uh So, Ralph, last week was last

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Speaker 1: week was terrible for the conference. You had Oregon lose,

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Speaker 1: getting knocked out of the College Football Playoff, and it's

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Speaker 1: seemed like so many people in the conference were relishing

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Speaker 1: in that. Washington fans were obviously Utah fans because they

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Speaker 1: many other fan bases like cheering for Oregon to lose.

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Speaker 1: Why is Oregon so hated? First thing, and then the

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Speaker 1: second thing is do we need to do another back

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Speaker 1: the Pack episode? Well, George, what does misery love company? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we we love company. We fans doesn't do this, The

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Speaker 1: SEC doesn't do this. There Alabama wins. Vanderbilt's fans say,

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Speaker 1: we're in the SEC C Look best conference ever, Old

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Speaker 1: miss They're like best conference ever? Uh, SEC West, We're

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Speaker 1: fuck you hope you die like that's what they say

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Speaker 1: that their competition. Like, bro, Like, why I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: I hate Washington. Washington plays Michigan. I want Washington to

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Speaker 1: fans on Twitter, Howland Husky Softie on radio shows. Whatever

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Speaker 1: it is, doesn't matter. But I still want these jerks

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Speaker 1: to win when they play non conference games. Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 1: I root for I root for both pack twelve teams

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Speaker 1: to win as well as pack twelve players to go off.

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Speaker 1: The conference is better and more interesting when you have stars,

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Speaker 1: when you have functional teams. I mean, it's not that whole,

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Speaker 1: this whole like movement of like celebrating sickos, watching the

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Speaker 1: worst football, rooting for things to be dysfunctional. Uh no, no,

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Speaker 1: he hurts you. Like that's the part that people don't

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Speaker 1: realize is that it hurts you and your team because

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Speaker 1: if the conference has looked at in a negative light,

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Speaker 1: then that turns around. It means that recruits are going

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Speaker 1: going to be harder for you to land big time recruits.

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Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, but Oregon's recruiting fine, Yes, but now

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Speaker 1: and like, yeah, that would not be great for orient

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Speaker 1: because then the best players would stop leaving and going

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Speaker 1: their their final three schools, you know, one is in

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Speaker 1: head matchup, maybe, But if it could help you out

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Speaker 1: very very confusing to me. Yep, bro, Anyway, happy Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: George to those who celebrate. Should we do some like

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Speaker 1: really corny segment where we're like which pack twelve football

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Speaker 1: It's got it. It's got to stop somewhere. Um. But

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Speaker 1: teams I had is heard Julian Edelman described this perfectly.

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Speaker 1: the result is the result. Now, why was it a blowout? Um,

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Speaker 1: George and this is not the same physical Oregon team

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Speaker 1: I just think that Utah came in with a better

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Speaker 1: I I and I overheard him. It was like, yeah,

429
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: we have a It was like, yeah, do you have

430
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: a pool? He's like, yeah, yeah, I have a pool

431
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: to come over and hang out. And he was like, yeah,

432
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: but our pools above ground. Uh no, no, no, I'm

433
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: sorry in the ground and not and not above ground. Yeah,

434
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: but I think about it, man. Okay. So so let's

435
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: say that you were a m you were a prospect

436
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: coming out of high school, and you had three schools

437
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: that you really wanted to go to, but those were

438
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: not the three schools that were offering you. The schools

439
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: that were offering you were schools that you would not

440
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: have necessarily ever even considered. But you know what your

441
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: talent level is, you know what your ability is, and

442
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: you know that if you go to Juco and stay healthy,

443
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: that you're going to have a better opportunity, even if

444
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: it's only for one year. Do you take the scholarship

445
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: offer from the school that you think is beneath you

446
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: that isn't gonna do that much for you, or do

447
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: you go take that Juco year until those other opportunities

448
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: open up. And I think that's a position that Arizona

449
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: states in right now now that is being very gracious

450
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: as far as the INTENTI a su The truth is,

451
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: Ray Anderson has no desire nor intent to fire his

452
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: lifelong friend. I'm not gonna happen. He wants to be

453
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: able to shove it in the faces of everybody who

454
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: said the Herm Edwards higher was a bad idea in

455
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: the first place. And so the worst thing that could

456
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: happen is that they stumble into some success next year

457
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: and he gets to spiked the football in instead of

458
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: one like he was planning. And then you know her

459
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: Edwards who said he was only gonna be around five years.

460
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: Then they can move to the next stage of the plan,

461
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: whatever that is, sliding Marvin Lewis in or whatever it

462
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: is they want to do. But the longer that Ray

463
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: Anderson is in place, you know, it's it's either our

464
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: packaged you. I think Arizona State fans are getting to

465
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: the point where they understand that it's either everybody goes

466
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: or nobody goes. So what do you want to do?

467
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: Um the if you just look at it's it's you're

468
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: getting to the point where some of the fandom is

469
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: wearing off. That allows you to excuse some of the

470
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: things you overlooked when Arizona State hired her Edwards, which

471
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: is they did not hire her Edwards to be the

472
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: football coach. They hired her Edwards to be the CEO,

473
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: and so you get to this point where you kind

474
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 1: of get disillusioned and the fandom wears off and you

475
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: get kind of sober about it, and you're like, wait

476
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: a minute, we hired someone to not coach the team,

477
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: and they're getting paid like they're the head coach, and

478
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: they're out here week after weeks saying that they don't

479
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: actually have a hand in the team's success the way

480
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: the media believes they should. You know, when after every

481
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: time they have a ten twelve penalty game, the media

482
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: asked Sirm Edwards what he can do better, and he's like,

483
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: that's not my job. Yeah, And you realize, like, oh,

484
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: he literally means that, even even though like it's been

485
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: proven that if that's your emphasis, you will get better

486
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: at discipline, especially at Arizona State where they brought in

487
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: like Todd Graham, the disciplinarian, and then it was them

488
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: in the service academies at the top every single year

489
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: for least amount of penalties. Of course, if you emphasize it,

490
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: you can coach it. But then you have to realize,

491
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: as an Arizona State fan, you brought in somebody to

492
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: not coach, to not coach to be the CEO. He's

493
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: not coaching the offense, he's not coaching the defense. He's

494
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: not the coach. He's not the coach. He's the CEO.

495
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: You might call him a head coach, but he is

496
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: not actually the coach. And the things that you brought

497
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: him in for that you thought sounded good at the time,

498
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: like Hey, who's gonna win in the living room better

499
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: than Herm Edwards, you kind of sober up and realize, oh,

500
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: the living room is not a thing. The living room

501
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: is a thing we grew up thinking was a thing

502
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: because you actually did have to go into people's homes

503
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 1: and recruit them. In today's day and age, if you

504
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: get to the living room, George, you're talking to a

505
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: committed prospect and you're just using a home visit. You're

506
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: not actually in competition for these kids. Once you're in

507
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: their house, that decisions already been made. So if Herm

508
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: Edwards is not there for the living room and he's

509
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: not there to coach the offense, and he's not there

510
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: to coach the defense, then what you're assuming is he

511
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: is so in tune with what's going on that he

512
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: can operate things from the ten thousand foot view. But

513
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: he came in and he said, uh, we're gonna have

514
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: a regional footprint recruiting. That went out the window because

515
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: he didn't know what he was doing. He came in.

516
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: He came in and he said, we're gonna have a

517
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: pro development like situation all set up under Al Lugan. Bill.

518
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: They had to phase that out because that wasn't the

519
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: right approach that did it makes sense. Um, they came

520
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: He came in and said, we're gonna key all the

521
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: same staff because continuity is important. Phil Bennett retired and

522
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: Bill Billy Napier left five seconds into it. Then he

523
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: had to fire another offensive quarter in coordinator and Rob

524
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: Likens and bringing Zach Hill, and they're underperforming what they

525
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: had under Rob Likens. So then you're like, okay, So

526
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: he doesn't know what he's doing with the hires, so

527
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, Well, he needs to give power

528
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: to somebody who definitely does know what they're doing. So

529
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: he imparts more and more responsibility every single year to

530
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce, who highers three assistant coaches who are now

531
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: being paid to not even be associated with the team

532
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: due to an n C double a investigation that happened

533
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: because her Edwards isn't actually able to do the job

534
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: of CEO, or or you believe that Herm Edwards actually

535
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: wanted them to cheat and cause the whole thing to happen.

536
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: So you brought in a guy to not be the coach,

537
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: but he can't be the CEO either, and now you're

538
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: stuck in this situation and the players love her because

539
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: he's awesome. I love her. Do you love her? George? Yeah? Hell? Yeah?

540
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: Like I love HERM Edwards, But like, I don't know

541
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 1: anybody who doesn't like her. Yeah, But would you hire

542
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: him to coach Oregon? No? Would you hire him to

543
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: be the general manager of what Oregon is doing? No? Um,

544
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: what if he was your best friend? No? Like, like

545
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I'm trying to like And this is

546
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: based upon what what we've seen from him. There's no

547
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: slide against him. But Herms not a college head coach.

548
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: He's not a college CEO. Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

549
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: whoa whoa George, he coached the under Armour All American Game.

550
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: He took a week out of his year to coach

551
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: an exhibition high school football game. Remember that's the reason

552
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: they gave that he was ready for college because every

553
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: year he took a week out his year to coach

554
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: an exhibition game in Florida. So he can handle the

555
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: grind of being a college coach. Yep, No, there's no

556
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: question about whether he can handle the grind of it,

557
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: because he'll do the work. It's just a matter of, like,

558
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: I think your head coach needs to be a bit

559
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: more hands on. But now let's get to the weekend review.

560
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: UM we already covered the Oregon Utah game, so that

561
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: one was in the books. That game finished up thirty

562
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: eight to seven. But there was an interesting nugget about

563
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: that game, which was the ratings and ratings matter because

564
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: in a couple of years, you're gonna have um, uh

565
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: George clear negotiation for the broadcast rights, correct, and then

566
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,959
Speaker 1: that's gonna put a whole different spin on things. And

567
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: this game did uh four point eight million people watching?

568
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: Why why is that important, George? Well, it's important because

569
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: that four million number is crucial, is crucial to UM

570
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: it's crucial to uh those TV ratings because that's where

571
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: they start paying a premium for your for your stuff,

572
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: and and that's the highest ranked and that's the highest

573
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: rated Pack twelve game in seven years, the most watched

574
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: Pack twelve game in seven years, Ralph four point eight million.

575
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: Granted time of time of day matters it was on

576
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: it was on ABC, but but still that is that

577
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: is a big deal for Utah Oregon. Granted Oregon probably

578
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: carried the lion's share of that being, especially being that

579
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 1: they were number three in the country. But the fact

580
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: that you talk could draw that that interest too, I

581
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: thought was dope. Now that that was definitely really cool. Um.

582
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: The other thing that I think came out of this

583
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: game is USC got screwed over big time. Well because

584
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: Mr Tavan Thomas, who came over to Utah from Cincinnati

585
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: almost on loan, like he was in Major League Soccer

586
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: or something like that, runs runs Oregon off the field,

587
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: which puts his old team Cincinnati in position to go

588
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: to the College Football Playoff. And guess who's not leaving

589
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: his job if he's coaching in a college football playoff,

590
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: Mr Luke Fickle, Right, And with James Franklin out of

591
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: the mix, that was the next best big name candidate

592
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: to impress all those USC fans are so disillusioned with

593
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: Clay Elton over the years was by getting Luke Fickle.

594
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 1: Now you're not gonna get Luke Fickle because Oregon lost.

595
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: So this is what you get by not being back

596
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: to back yep, yep. So any any usc people that

597
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: were high fiving that Oregon lost just lost out on

598
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: the opportunity to get Luke Fickle. They lost out on

599
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: James James Franklin as well. Hugh Freeze got a new extension, Like,

600
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: so what big got re locked up? Yep. Now, imagine,

601
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: so I said, if Dava Randa stays, Campbell and and

602
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: yeah and Luke Fickle, bro like, and then because I'm

603
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: pretty sure Billy Napier is gonna leave Louisiana, but if

604
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: you'd be stupid not to kirk correct. So but if

605
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 1: those three stayed because they're in good situations as well, Um,

606
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Like? Who is out there? Like

607
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: they're trying to they're talking about Jeff Tepford, my former

608
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: office of coordinator at Oregon and former Fresno state head

609
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: coach and cal head coach about pulling him out of

610
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: the scratching damp band, uh because because he had health issues. Bro,

611
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how this works. Yeah, I

612
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: mean that that that's just it is. You know, they're

613
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: not USC is not going to be able to make

614
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: that splashy higher. They're just not. And then and if

615
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: USC can't do it, was Washington gonna do Washington States

616
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: at least in the position where a lot of people

617
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: think that Jake Dicker is going to be the right

618
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: guy for the job. So what is are you really

619
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: is that splash really gonna be Jane Orvell or Kalindvore.

620
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: You're really going to get a West Coast Mountain West guys,

621
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: And that's gonna be the thing that impresses your your

622
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: your fan basis, because I you know, I don't know.

623
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: I think that I think I mean, you and I

624
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: both know that the smartest thing in the world would

625
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: be to go get Jonathan Smith, the best in game

626
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: head coach in the conference, and give him more talent,

627
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: give him more resources. And I don't know if Washington

628
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: has the stomach to do it, and I definitely don't

629
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: think USC has the stomach to do it. The home

630
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: run is Jonathan Smith. I don't think either one of

631
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: those is gonna do it. And then if Oregon State

632
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: finds the resources to lock him up long term. By

633
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: the time USC finds a head coach, it's gonna be

634
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: their seventh option, and they're gonna it's gonna be wild

635
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: to watch the hoops that USC and Washington fans jumped

636
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: through to sell themselves on the idea that their head

637
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: coach was the best man for the job. Who's even

638
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: a bit like who who out of the box that

639
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: we haven't even talked about yet? Who could be a

640
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: ten year higher with results at either Washington or USC?

641
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, ten Uere at Washington? Maybe the dude from

642
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: Fresno State, the Warrior. Maybe maybe, But even then you

643
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: can say, hey, but he got a heck of a quarterback. Yep, No, No,

644
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: you are your brother. Do you think there's a universe

645
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: that exists in which because here's the deal, David Shaw

646
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: hates so much about how college football works that Stanford

647
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: is really the only college job that makes sense for him.

648
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: Do you think there's a world in which USC could

649
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: prime away? No, this is not a not a chance, bro,

650
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,479
Speaker 1: not a not a chance in hell. Is there any

651
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: other currently employed Pack twelve coach that you think could

652
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: be pride away by either USC or Washington? Because Chris

653
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: Peterson is not coming back. I don't care what anybody says.

654
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham. We keep hearing these retirement whispers. You think

655
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: you retired to so cal Go get himself a job

656
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: at USC. I don't think that's happening either. Not that

657
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: that's a fair point, bro, very very fair point. Um.

658
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: All right, now onto the games. So we talked about Oregon.

659
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: You talk, but the Friday night game Arizona Washington State,

660
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: it was bad weather out there in Pullman. Washington State

661
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: got Bowl eligible, Arizona fell to one intent and they

662
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: were back to not being competitive again. UM forty four

663
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: to eighteen. UM. Jaden Dolora only completed thirteen passes, but

664
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: through for two fifty nine and four touchdowns. Max Borgi

665
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: had his final home game there. Um, you know, sixteen carries,

666
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty nine yards, two touchdowns. Even though he

667
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: still has a year of eligibility left. I think he's

668
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: either going to go to the league or transferred to

669
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: somewhere else. What was your takeaway from that game? Uh?

670
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: Drop plays still work for some teams. I think you

671
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: have they got draw played to death. Also, the minute

672
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: you saw those of flers, you knew it was over.

673
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: That was Uh, that broadcast in the snow was still

674
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: better than that late night ESPN truck they've been senting around. Yeah. Yeah,

675
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: it's hard to argue with Uh with with that, what

676
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: what what did you take away from Arizona? Because I

677
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: know that this is a good team, well sorry that

678
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: this is a team that plays with good effort, particularly lately,

679
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: but they just didn't have They don't have the secondary

680
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: to keep up with the team that's gonna throw the

681
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 1: ball every daw nor defensive line nor offensive line. They're

682
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: just that they're not They're not there yet. And also

683
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: it was snowing and they were from Tucson. I don't

684
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: the second I saw snow, I was like, oh God,

685
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not

686
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: that's not gonna work with this team. Uh. They tried,

687
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: they tried, and they still got their ass beat. Um.

688
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: It was more encouraging for Washington State because the scenario

689
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: now is still exists where Washington State can win the North.

690
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: They could do it. They can actually can you imagine

691
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: after all this, after everything that happened this season, especially

692
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: after early in the season, when you know what was

693
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 1: Utah at one point like one in three. Uh, after

694
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: all that that, we could have a Washington State Utah

695
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: Pack twelve championship. Nope, nope, I cannot I cannot have it.

696
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine a world where that exists. Because if

697
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: what is it? If Washington State wins and Oregon State wins,

698
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: Washington State gets in right, Yeah, that is wild. And

699
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: you know what Washington State might win, They might beat Utah.

700
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: Jaden Delora is on fire. Yeah, he's cool man. I

701
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: like him a lot. I know, I know he's got

702
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, more eligibility left. But it's one of those

703
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: things where you know, if there's a coaching transition, he might,

704
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: he might he fit to bounce. I don't think that

705
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: would be in his best interest. But um, I think

706
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: going into next year, if you're picking preseason Pack twelve

707
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: all first team, you know, I don't think you gotta

708
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: look much further than than Jane Delora. He might actually,

709
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, come out of the season with some awards

710
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: as well, especially if they can win a couple of

711
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 1: games in a row. Yep, alright, Uh, the next game

712
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: up U c l A at USC This was I

713
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: mean U c l A opened up agan of whoop

714
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: ass bro sixty two to thirty three sixty two points.

715
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: There's got to be the highest point total in the

716
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: PAC twelve this year, right, Yeah for sure, but I'm

717
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: probably the most since the seventies seven game last year. Yeah,

718
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: this was Yeah, you you had usc start Jackson Dart.

719
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: What what was your impression of Jackson Dark twenty seven

720
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: seven three one to down two picks? Um, there's talent there.

721
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: There's a scene in um or is this scene in

722
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: the show Entourage where they spend all this time making

723
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: that movie Meta Jean Um based on pap Pablo Escobar,

724
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: and then they screen it for critics and the movie

725
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: sucks so bad that they have to sell it to

726
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: a dollar or sell it for a dollar to the

727
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: producer that wanted to finance it in the first place.

728
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: And the producer says there's a movie in there somewhere,

729
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: Like he's like, we'll get it figured out. That's how

730
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: I feel about Jackson Dart. The results are bad. He

731
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: actually played like he played bad. They lost bad. He

732
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: has not won a game all year. He's he looked

733
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: good for a minute in a game that they lost. Um,

734
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: there's a really no, no, no no no in a game

735
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: that they won versus Washington State. Oh, that's right, but

736
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: he still threw a couple of picks right, Like he

737
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: was all over the place. Yeah. So there's a really

738
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: good quarterback in there, a really good or back. He

739
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: could move, he could throw, he's got um, he's got moxie.

740
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: He just feels like a USC quarterback goes out there

741
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: with that eye black on like a weirdo. Love it? Um,

742
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: you hate it. I think it's awesome. I think it

743
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: makes him a character. I like, I see a very

744
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: good quarterback in there. But you have to be very

745
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: honest about the fact that, like, just because he threw

746
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: over a bunch of yards doesn't mean he didn't play

747
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: like ass. So I was not impressed, But I see it.

748
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: I get it. He should have been playing at the

749
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: moment that he was healthy enough. He should have been playing,

750
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: um over Keaton who's kind of had his potential maxed

751
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: out out there. So um, I'm really curious to see

752
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: where Keaton Slovas ends up. I'm really curious to see

753
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: if it's remains within the pack twelve. Uh conference that

754
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: that that is fascinating to me. Um, But I don't

755
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: know that Jackson dart is going to Jackson Dart is

756
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 1: going to be the quarterback through a couple of really

757
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: lean years. So hopefully by the time he's a junior

758
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: for USC fans um that they've surrounded him with enough

759
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: talent and a culture to where he can maximize what

760
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: he's able to do. But I was not impressed. I

761
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: just get it. If you put the right people around him,

762
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna do good things. Maybe, like like that's the

763
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: way I said, Like I say, Okay, there is some

764
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: marm talent, But I don't see how that was a

765
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: significant upgrade over Keaton slogan's. I think that they're just

766
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: tired of Keaton um all right. Now on the U

767
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: s on Now, on the U c l A side,

768
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: you had Dorian Thompson Robinson have a good game. After

769
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: starting out with two picks, he ended up throwing for

770
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:52,479
Speaker 1: three and two throws. Yes, And to start the game,

771
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: Zack Charbonnet went off for a hundred and sixty seven yards.

772
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: He looks like a man possessed. The dude is good it.

773
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: He has NFL running back written all over him. Did

774
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 1: you see that the clip of him? Did you see

775
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: that clip of Zach Scharmon? Ay, Like rocking back and

776
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: forth on the bench. No, Oh my god, I don't.

777
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would love if anybody could

778
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: see that saw this, could tweet me and and and

779
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: tell me. I didn't make this up in my mind.

780
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: But they were talking about Zach Charbonay and they went

781
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: to a clip of him sitting on the bench and

782
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: he was, um, he do you remember was that Lou

783
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: Mazzoni who that Braves pitching coach that never stopped rocking

784
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: all the time. That's what he looked like. But he

785
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: had this look on his face like, let me out.

786
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, get this guy in

787
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: on defense, give him a put him in a Miles

788
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: Jack's situation. Just get him out on the field. He

789
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: was he You're right, he was. How bad was that

790
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: loss for USC though? It doesn't matter. I don't think

791
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 1: anything matters this year. Really, I think that it became

792
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: really clear that they were broken. Um something you've been

793
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: now for a really long time running an offense that

794
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: they have no business running, ruining, ruining careers on the

795
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: defensive side of the football. I want to be really

796
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: clear about this. They ruined Chris Steele, Isaiah Polamo, Drake

797
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: Jackson Um who's their prize recruit this last year, the

798
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: from Centennial Um, the d line and Corey Forma. Yeah,

799
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: they ruined him to the point where I can't even

800
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: remember his name. And he was the best recruit coming

801
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: out of California. Like they ruined, ruined these guys. They

802
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: they are. These guys are gonna leave USC with the

803
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: reputation for being soft underperformers. They're gonna have to figure

804
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: it out at the NFL level if they even can,

805
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: or transfer out and become part of the identity of

806
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: just a better football team. This is I don't think

807
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: anything matters like it was so it was so heartbreaking

808
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: slash hilarious that Chris Steele was one of those first

809
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: two interceptions, right, yes, so yeah, that they were like,

810
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 1: oh man, you know, Chris Steele hasn't had an interception

811
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 1: all year. Maybe he's finally figuring it out. And then

812
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: Dorian Thompson Robinson, after throwing two picks in his first

813
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: two throws, goes off for the most ridiculous game in

814
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve all year against that same defense, shreds them,

815
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: signs an autograph for a USC fan with the U

816
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: c L A hat hurdles. A dude's just like and

817
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: they finished. I think us USC is gonna finish this

818
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: year with one win in the Colosseum, one win and

819
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: like five blowout losses. They sucked. They sucked. Man, They're terrible.

820
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: They gave up. They gave up the first win in

821
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: sixty years to Oregon State at the Coliseum, first win,

822
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,479
Speaker 1: and like a hundred years too to Utah. They they're

823
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: tear doble. They're just a horrible, horrible team. And they

824
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: and they put in the work. They busted asked to

825
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: make sure they were this bad. Yeah, so you asked

826
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: me how bad it is? I don't know. All I

827
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: know is that was It was really cool to see

828
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: and it felt like a metaphor. Chip Kelly stuck with

829
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: Dorian Thompson Robinson and then he figured it out. And

830
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: not only did he figure it out, he did something magical.

831
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: And I'm hoping that that's what U c l A

832
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,959
Speaker 1: does with with with Chip Kelly, it feels like they're

833
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: moving in the right direction and I think if they

834
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: stick with him, I think the big time recruits will

835
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 1: come based off of success. Yes, dude, they played Cow

836
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: this week. If they beat Cow, they're going to be

837
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 1: in a really good, good spot. Now here's the question,

838
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: though quickly so we can finish it. Dorian Thompson Robinson

839
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: still has a year of eligibility left. Yeah, does he

840
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: come back? I wouldn't. I wouldn't, dude. If Dorian Thompson

841
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: Robinson was my kid, he'd be taking his ass back

842
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: to school because well, not necessarily think that. Dorian Thompson

843
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: Robinson's chip Kelly hating dad has turned the page that

844
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,439
Speaker 1: much to where he would tell his son to stick

845
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: around the because it's about his future. Dorian Thompson Robinson,

846
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: would you say that he's a better quarterback this year

847
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: than he was last year? Yeah? Better quarterback than the

848
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: year before that. Oh heck yeah. And he's again very

849
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: new to the position. That's what the regular He could

850
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: be a first round pick next year with yes, because

851
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: he's got the arm talent, he's mobile enough. If he

852
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: can show mastery of coverage and and all that. Bro,

853
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm telling you this dude can do it. I'm telling

854
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: him to take advantage of that of that year. All right, Um, Washington, Colorado,

855
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: Colorado will be Washington and seventeen and Washington fans have

856
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: the nerve to be on my time. Lad ha ha.

857
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: Look at the wellness check on George Rice Stir ha

858
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: ha ha. Dude, you lost to Colorado. Now Colorado has

859
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 1: four wins. You're both sitting at four and seven after

860
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: some people on this podcast inexplicably picked you to win

861
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: the North. Ryan Lee, Okay, last week, I'm right about something.

862
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: Sometimes you guys said this is the best roster while

863
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: in Washington's history well as four. I didn't say that.

864
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: I didn't say that. I just thought was gonna be bad.

865
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: So yeah, so they lost seventeen more inept offense from them.

866
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 1: But if you look at Dylan Morris's No. Umber thirty

867
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: three for fifty two three eight seven, two touchdowns, two picks,

868
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't sound terrible. But then they put Patrick O'Brien

869
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: in and Jalen Millen instead of I'm sorry Patrick O'Brien

870
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: not Sam here. I don't know, bro, I don't know.

871
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: I think what because um Huwart has played in three games,

872
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: and I'm guessing they want they didn't want them. They

873
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: want to get him in in the Apple Cup or

874
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: in a bowl game be more valuable than playing it

875
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 1: against Colorado. If the if the if if the point

876
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 1: of football was to get to the twenty five yard line,

877
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: Washington would have scored a hundred. Am I wrong? They

878
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: were f and Colorado between the reds is the truth.

879
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: They were like they were tearing Colorado up in the

880
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: middle of the field. I I'm serious. I'm dead serious

881
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:08,439
Speaker 1: about that. Bro. Think about this. Colorado won this football game.

882
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: Colorado had less than two hundred yards of total offense

883
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: while Washington had over four hundred. You have a dad

884
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: ninety yards of defense on that scooping score, and and

885
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: their quarterback did not throw a touchdow he ran four

886
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: he doesn't turn the ball over though they ran for

887
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: seventy one total yard Ralph, how did you lose a

888
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: football game like like this? The other team had a

889
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty three yards of total offense. You have

890
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: four hundred and six team and you lose, and they

891
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: in Colorado like lost Brendan Rice early in them. Sorry,

892
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:56,479
Speaker 1: not four D six four h I just I don't

893
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: know what to say about this. Uh, Washington seasons over

894
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter anyway, I guess um. But on

895
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: the Colorado end, it's interesting because this is obviously this

896
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: is not enough to keep them from potentially moving on

897
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: from Darren Shiverini at offensive coordinator. Um, they how differently

898
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: would we be talking about this Colorado team if their

899
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: resume included a victory over Texas A and M. Would

900
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: we be saying that like that, that that everything since

901
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: then is a disappointment. Yeah? True, Yeah, I don't know.

902
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: It's just the Colorado and Colorado is gonna remember and

903
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: Washington fans are gonna remember that this year that Colorado

904
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: was better than them. That's funny, man, all right, Um,

905
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: cow at Stanford the big game, which was the little game. Um,

906
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: everybody keeps telling forty one for Cow, eleven for Stanford

907
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: could have felt felt thirty felt like a fifty point

908
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: when Yeah, and Chase Garber's played played. Well. Tanner McKee,

909
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: who everybody keeps saying, listen, guys can't judge Stanford without

910
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: Tanner McKee. Well, Tanner McKee was there, and he is

911
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: who I said. He was. Not a great run, not

912
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: a great quarterback. He's just a guy. Is the statue.

913
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: We got to be the only podcast on earth that

914
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: isn't like saying that Stanford's good when they have Tanner McKee, Like,

915
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: I don't Stanford is not good. They're better, yes, exactly,

916
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: they are better with him than they are with um

917
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: Jack West. Yes, they're better with with Tanner McKee. But

918
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: better does not mean good. This team is horrible, horrible.

919
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: They gave up okay, oh my god, they gave up

920
00:58:55,640 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty two yards rushing and another two passing. Yep,

921
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: I told you, I told you. I told John Wilner.

922
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: Cal can move the football. It's just that Cal spent

923
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: a lot of time this year looking a lot like

924
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: Washington did against Colorado. They're moving the football and not

925
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: getting touchdowns against Stanford. They have the ability to do that.

926
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: But I think Cal is finally figuring things out on

927
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. And what they need

928
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: to hope is that they can continue on with the

929
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: same staff that they have this year. Justin Wilcox doesn't

930
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: rage quit and move his asked to Seattle like that's

931
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: that's what the this That's the best that Cal can

932
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: hope for is that they that they figure out who's

933
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,479
Speaker 1: going to play quarterback for them next year. And again,

934
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: I guess Chase Garbers is in the same position that

935
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: that Dorian Thompson Robinson is. If you're Chase Garbers. Would

936
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: you stick around if if, if your coach leaves, I'm

937
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: probably out, probably out. But I mean, so they moved

938
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: the football well and Stanford, I don't think this is

939
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the Stanford's era is over

940
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: and a lot of that's outside their control. I think

941
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: the minute that we saw the transfer portal and the

942
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: December seventh signing day become the norm, it was over

943
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: for Stanford. See, I don't think it had to be over.

944
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of arrogance about how

945
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: you recruit and all of that. But this year they're

946
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: having it take Well, the best thing that Stanford could

947
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: do right now is moved to the triple option. Dude,

948
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: they better. Here's the thing that they have to do.

949
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to have if they want to win,

950
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to have the school make a commitment

951
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: to winning. And if the school doesn't make a commitment

952
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: to winning, they're not gonna win. That's the That's the

953
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: long and short of it. So a commitment to winning

954
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: includes different academic standards for athletes, not even massively, just

955
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: if you put them somewhere in between Stanfords and U

956
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: c l A s now you're good. Like that's still

957
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: a very high standard, you know, I mean, okay, but

958
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: you take some of the luster off of going to Stanford. No,

959
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: because you're still at Stanford, bro, Like, in the academic

960
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: requirement is still high. Bro. They're they're they're doing themselves

961
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: a huge disservice. And I wonder how much rope that

962
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: uh David Shaw has because if he puts up another

963
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: season like this next year, which is quite possible, it

964
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: could be over bro Alright, Uh, the final game from

965
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: the weekend, we had Arizona State at Oregon State. Oregon

966
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: State twenty four, Arizona State ten. And the wheels have

967
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: absolutely fallen off off of this Arizona State team. You've

968
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: got Jaden Daniel's mom liking uh incendiary tweets about the

969
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and the team. Uh. I'm I'm wondering if

970
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: and you know, there are whispers in the dark about

971
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: him leaving Arizona State. It seems like the wheels are

972
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: falling off. Ralph what wheels? And it just this is

973
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,439
Speaker 1: this is kind of more of the same. It's there's

974
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,919
Speaker 1: there's a lot of drama associated with this team this year.

975
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: Jade Daniels is an interesting quarterback in that, you know,

976
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: you have a lot of people screaming that the team

977
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: didn't do enough to develop him. It's not his fault

978
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: at all. Schemes are too complicated for him. Well that's

979
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: there's there's other problem, but there's just there's a there there,

980
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: And I think even Arizona State fans who are die

981
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: hard Jane Daniels fans would agree with this. Everybody is

982
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: going out of their way to make the most possible

983
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: excuses for Jade Daniels that you can possibly make, and

984
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: at some point only having you know what, Let's play

985
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: a game, George. In the last fifteen games, how many

986
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: touchdown passes do you think a s U has out

987
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: of the quarterback position? Yep, uh eleven? Okay, so you

988
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: went super low. It's fourteen. Fourteen touchdown passes in fifteen games.

989
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: Fifteen games is a very large sample size. You can

990
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: remove the anomalies from having any factor in what you're

991
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: able to glean from from fifteen games. Fourteen touchdown passes

992
01:03:54,280 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: in fifteen games is who Jaden Daniels is. That's who

993
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, you are who you are. The idea

994
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: that like Jaden Daniels threw a few touchdown passes, had

995
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: a few good runs as a freshman, and protected the ball,

996
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: and then you imagine who he could be if he

997
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: got better. That's the issue. Arizona State fans imagined who

998
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels could be if he got better than he

999
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: did um when he was a freshman. But instead, right, so,

1000
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: instead he turned the ball over more. He's thrown less touchdowns.

1001
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: Some people are calling that regression. I don't necessarily think

1002
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: that's regression. I just think that he is who he is.

1003
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: He has not thrown a three yard passing game since

1004
01:04:54,920 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: they beat Oregon in He is averaging less than a

1005
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: touchdown past a game in the last two years. He

1006
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: is a runner, but not that kind of runner. He

1007
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: has the ability to get games. And he's only thrown

1008
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: eight touch nows. Right, that's not good And and and

1009
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: people are like, well, Zach Hill, what's what did Zack

1010
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: Hill do wrong? Go look at go look at the

1011
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: year that Zach Hill had three freshman quarterbacks at Boise.

1012
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: You can look at their stat In fact, in fact,

1013
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull up Hank black Meyer's stats right now,

1014
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: because are you telling me that that Jade Daniels isn't

1015
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: even on the level of Hank black Meyer. Okay, so

1016
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: this is twenty nineteen at Boise Okay, twenty nineteen Boise State.

1017
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: This is their quarterback play when they had multiple injuries,

1018
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: multiple people coming in and out. Chase cord a freshman,

1019
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: Hank bach Meyer freshman, and Jalen Henderson combine. Those guys

1020
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: had thirty touchdowns eleven interceptions, the three of them all

1021
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: having to play together, all appearing in at least eight

1022
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: games because everybody was banged up all year long. You're

1023
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: gonna tell me Zach Hill's the problem. Nope, Nope, nope.

1024
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: Thirty touchdowns in one season from two freshmen and Jalen Henderson.

1025
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: But Jaden Daniels can't average a touchdown pass a game,

1026
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: and that's Zach Hill's fault. Like now, Jaden Daniels is

1027
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 1: who he is, He's okay, he's got It's a game

1028
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: manager who is fast. And if Jaden Daniels thinks that

1029
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna go to some other school in some other

1030
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: offense and play his way into being a Day one

1031
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: or two draft pick, I full he encourage him to

1032
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: do that. And if Arizona State thinks they're gonna fire

1033
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 1: Zach Hill and convince some offensive coordinator that is in

1034
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: need of a job to come in and change Jaden

1035
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: Daniels into a guy who can be a day or

1036
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: Day one or day to draft pick. Good luck. Everybody

1037
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: needs to do what they think is absolutely necessary in

1038
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: order to win. But you know, I've heard people say.

1039
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: I've heard people say two things. Zach Hill doesn't know

1040
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: what he's doing, and they've regressed because of Zack Hill

1041
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 1: or Jane and Daniels isn't able to grasp the complexities

1042
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: of a Zach Hill offense. But Hank Bachmayer and Chase

1043
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 1: Court could his freshman at Boise State. So who's what's

1044
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:49,439
Speaker 1: the issue? No, very very very fair point, man, very

1045
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: very fair point. But I don't know. All I know

1046
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: is that game. That game was ugly, man, That game

1047
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: was ugly. It was to ten, and the only touchdown

1048
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: the Arizona State got came because Oregon State, it's punter,

1049
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 1: you didn't field the snap at the four. Yeah, yep.

1050
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: And and then I mean Chase Nolan only through for

1051
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: ninety yards on twelve completions. Oregon State ran about forty

1052
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: six times for two and thirty seven yards. This, this

1053
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:24,719
Speaker 1: to me, was an embarrassing loss the way it happened

1054
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 1: for Arizona State, And now it makes me wonder about

1055
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen this weekend. I'm not so what what

1056
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: do you? What do you think about? What do you

1057
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: think about the quote that her Medwards quote after the game?

1058
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: Because they got they had so again I was wrong.

1059
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: They got a bunch of penalties. Um, there wasn't even

1060
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 1: a huge crowd. They always have penalty, but they got Uh.

1061
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: It was like false start, false start, defensive pass interference,

1062
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: false start. That was a four place sequence in which

1063
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: zero plays actually counted. Um, three false starts. Her Medords,

1064
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: You can't coach that? Is that true? That a coach

1065
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 1: can't coach his players false not? That is not true.

1066
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 1: It is about discipline, accountability, and from everything I've heard,

1067
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:15,679
Speaker 1: there's a lack of accountability going on at at Arizona State.

1068
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 1: Why why, but why would you say that? Why would

1069
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: you say that? Why would you say that you can't

1070
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 1: coach discipline, that they either do it or they don't.

1071
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,679
Speaker 1: Because I guess on some level that's true that people

1072
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: either take your advice or they don't take your advice,

1073
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 1: but at some point when it's your job to get

1074
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: people to take your advice, who's fault is it? Yep,

1075
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:43,520
Speaker 1: it's yours. So what so question here is, sir, what happened?

1076
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: What happened uh to early in the season. I think

1077
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: it was the B y U game when you were like, yo,

1078
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: like this team will never be penalized like that. Again,

1079
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 1: that was an anomaly, and they're constantly penalized every week,

1080
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: well except for with a couple of exceptions. I don't know.

1081
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was I was willing to bet

1082
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 1: my life on that. I don't know. Yeah, what am

1083
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,560
Speaker 1: I supposed to say here? That it's ridiculous? Man? You

1084
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: got wide receivers getting ball starts, you got running backs

1085
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 1: getting ball starts, multiple offensive lineman you know, and the

1086
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: in the games that they commit less penalties, they just

1087
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: so happy to win that like there's not a correlation,

1088
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 1: all right now, But you can't coach that. You can't.

1089
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: It's not a thing you can coach, just just bad players,

1090
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: I guess, yep, exactly, don't don't don't be my mic leach.

1091
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: Um all right now, the next thing is, um, the

1092
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: games for this week? Now, these games matter a lot

1093
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: for in particular circumstances. So we will start with the

1094
01:10:54,840 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: Friday games. You have Colorado at Utah. Utah's face by

1095
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: twenty three and a half points over under fifty two.

1096
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: Give me give because give me Colorado plus twenty three

1097
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: and a half and I'm gonna go with the over. Yeah,

1098
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: I guess the team doesn't. Actually actually, if I go

1099
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,839
Speaker 1: with the over, that means that twenty three minus fifty

1100
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: two that's twenty eight. Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm gonna

1101
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: stay with the over. Um yeah, I think, I think.

1102
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 1: I Also, this geame just doesn't matter. It doesn't matter

1103
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: for Utah at all, does it except for if they

1104
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 1: want to stay ranked or does that end up in

1105
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: a New Year's six Bowl. You think that there's a

1106
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 1: way for them to get because I mean, if they

1107
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: win the Pactuel of Championship, they're going to the Rose Bowl.

1108
01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: Oh oh, if they if they win this week and

1109
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 1: then lose to Oregon, yet they're not going to New

1110
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,640
Speaker 1: Year's six Ball. So yeah, so at this game, and

1111
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 1: if they lose this week and win against Oregon, it

1112
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: doesn't they're locked into the ball. Yeah, this game, So

1113
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 1: it's it's the game just doesn't really matter at all,

1114
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: and so that makes me want to say Colorado plus

1115
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: twenty three and a half. Um, but I don't think

1116
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: Colorado is gonna score that much, So I'm gonna take

1117
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: the under. Okay, alright, Washington State at Washington the Apple

1118
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: Cup that neither Nick Rolovich or Jimmy Lake actually got

1119
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:39,679
Speaker 1: to coaching, which is for not, which is craziness. Right,

1120
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 1: in two seasons as head coach, neither one of them

1121
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: got a chance to coach the Apple Cup. They both

1122
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:50,600
Speaker 1: finished zero and zero, Washington State six and five. But

1123
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: this game is huge for Washington State. Washington State to

1124
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: one point, favorite, I can't even remember the last time, um,

1125
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 1: that they beat Washington, especially in Washington. UM over under

1126
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: of forty three and a half? Who you got the

1127
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 1: over unders forty three and a half. What kind of

1128
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 1: weather are we talking about? Forty three and a half

1129
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 1: really has rained? Dude? Why why had bad weather their

1130
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: last terrible weather? And then Washington State had the snow

1131
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 1: last week. I'll take the over just because it's very tempting. Um.

1132
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 1: And then Washington, Washington is not really playing for anything

1133
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: other than pride. At this point, they were moving the

1134
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 1: ball pretty well against Colorado, which means if they can

1135
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 1: clean a couple of things up that that maybe they'll

1136
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 1: score a little bit. But Washington State is playing for

1137
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 1: their head coaches job because I think if they win

1138
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 1: the Apple Cup with Jake Dickert in charge, that they

1139
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: can they can stop the search. Yep, yeah, can I

1140
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: tell you can tell you something about Washington State. I

1141
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: woke up, I woke up a couple of days ago,

1142
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 1: and I don't know if I was dreaming about it

1143
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 1: or just thinking about it first thing in the morning.

1144
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,839
Speaker 1: Do you know how funny it is that a Catholic

1145
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 1: is suing a Catholic over religious discrimination. That is wild.

1146
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about it. I've been cracking up

1147
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 1: about that. Like it was just like, oh, yeah, you know,

1148
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 1: obviously Nick Rolovic is definitely gonna sue because there's a

1149
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: lot of money left on the table and he was

1150
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: fired for cause, and like it makes sense for him

1151
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: to sue, right. But the more I think about it,

1152
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: the more I'm just like, Wow, he's really suing a

1153
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 1: Catholic for religious discrimination of a Catholic. That is gonna

1154
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 1: be fascinating in court. Yes, very very Yeah, there have

1155
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: to prove Pat Chun hates his religion. Um. Yeah, and

1156
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 1: Washington Washington State hasn't won in Seattle since two thousand

1157
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: and seven, and they've actually only beat Washington once since

1158
01:14:55,920 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine. So yeah, there's that. Um I

1159
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: like Washington State. Is that that? That's what you're going with? Yep?

1160
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 1: I like Washington State and the over as well. So

1161
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: next game up, the the next game that means something

1162
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: in the PAC twelve is Oregon State at Oregon Oregon's

1163
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 1: favorite by a touchdown over under sixty and a half.

1164
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm going with my Ducks minus seven, and I'm gonna

1165
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 1: take the over as well, because Oregon State's defense is

1166
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: an absolute disaster at times at least. Uh. Yeah, they definitely,

1167
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 1: they definitely sold out to stop the run. Here's what

1168
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 1: I worry about, George, Um, because you're talking, you're talking

1169
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: about Jane Daniel's mom liking tweets. One of them was

1170
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: that Arizona State staff turned Jane Daniels into Anthony Brown.

1171
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was one of the tweets. Uh.

1172
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:03,719
Speaker 1: And And so if Oregon State sells out to stop

1173
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 1: the run the way that they did against Arizona State

1174
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: and forces Anthony Brown to go out and win the game.

1175
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 1: Can he do it? Yep? Oh, I don't think they

1176
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: can force him to do that though, right? You think

1177
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 1: that Oregon State's running game is levels above Arizona State

1178
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: to where they wouldn't they wouldn't even be in that

1179
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 1: predicament that I loved. I love Travis Dye, but Rashad

1180
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 1: White is no slouch. Yeah. But what what I'm saying

1181
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:39,879
Speaker 1: is is that Utah's defense is significantly better than Oregon

1182
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 1: States defense. So I don't believe Oregon State is going

1183
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: to be able to stop Oregon That the better chances

1184
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: Oregon stopping Oregon State. Yeah, and I'm just saying that

1185
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 1: I watched Oregon States sell out to stop the running

1186
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 1: inast Arizona State and it worked. And so if Jade

1187
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 1: Daniels really isn't doesn't run the ball as well as

1188
01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: Oregon does, are are we sure? Yeah? We sure about that?

1189
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Well, well we'll let the

1190
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: we'll let people write in on that one. But um, yeah,

1191
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what. Give me the spread

1192
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: one more time? Seven points Oregon State. I think I

1193
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 1: think Oregon wins, but I think it's gonna be a loser.

1194
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 1: How many? Oh, what's your record on taking Oregon in

1195
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 1: the points this year? Like one and ten, lies, lies,

1196
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 1: two and nine four times? It's not it's not better

1197
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:38,679
Speaker 1: than two and nine. Yes, how did you last week? George?

1198
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 1: And actually, and there's a push in there too. Oh,

1199
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: that's okay, I'm giving you at least at least that's

1200
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: the better push than Oregon got last week. All right,

1201
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: all right, the next game up? B y U at

1202
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 1: U s C b y U b YU by million,

1203
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 1: two millions. What's the spreads sixty four? Oh? No, no, no,

1204
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: be okay, the spread by us favored by seven points

1205
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 1: over under sixty four? How much are we are we

1206
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:10,759
Speaker 1: taking out loans to bet on this game because we should?

1207
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Row seven? Okay, yes, seven points, only

1208
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: seven points. I would take it at seventeen. I would

1209
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 1: take it at seventeen too, So we were both on

1210
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,680
Speaker 1: b YU. This feels like a lay up, dude, and um,

1211
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: so over under sixty four. I'm going over so many.

1212
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 1: B y U is gonna score forty in this game,

1213
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 1: this game like U c l a uh U c

1214
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 1: L a USC last week sixty two thirty three. I

1215
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: would take the over at seventy five. Bro, I'm gonna

1216
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,679
Speaker 1: take the under because I think, what's that fifty nine

1217
01:18:55,760 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 1: to fourteen? Oh my gosh, Bro. And then and and

1218
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: and then strong consideration for b YU playing in the

1219
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 1: PACK twelve Championship, Oh bro against against against who, well,

1220
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:20,520
Speaker 1: they already beat Washington State, they so, Oh my god, George.

1221
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 1: But if Washington State, if so, that's just it. If

1222
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: Washington State ends up playing against Utah in the PAC

1223
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 1: twelveth Championship, b y you beat them both, b y

1224
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: U is the PAC twelve champion. If that happens. The

1225
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: only way, the only way that it would be disputed

1226
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 1: is if Oregon gets it. That's it. Yep. That's a

1227
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:43,719
Speaker 1: good point alright, Um, cal at U c l A

1228
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:45,560
Speaker 1: U c l A is favored by six and a

1229
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:49,520
Speaker 1: half points over under fifty eight. I got the bruins

1230
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 1: and the under. Uh. I'm gonna surprise some people on

1231
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 1: this one. Um. I think cal covers. I really this

1232
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: is weird to say that I'm rooting for a team.

1233
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: I hope U c l A wins, um, because I

1234
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 1: think that they would just throw us right back into

1235
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: the confusion of is U C l A going to

1236
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: make a change head coach, and I don't think that's

1237
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,600
Speaker 1: the best thing for them to be doing. Obviously, the

1238
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 1: contract situation is its own beast with Chip Kelly. But um,

1239
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 1: I do think Cal's ability to move the football is

1240
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 1: not a fluke. So I'm gonna take the over and

1241
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Cal. But I am fingers crossed that

1242
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 1: that because I don't I don't know how much it

1243
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 1: really means. Can Cal get to a bowl? H No?

1244
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 1: Actually yes, yes, yes, because they would have to beat

1245
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 1: U C l A and then beat USC. Okay, So,

1246
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 1: so the two teams right now that still have bowl

1247
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 1: eligibility that are not in a bowl, our Cow and USC.

1248
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 1: It would be very very interesting to have USC and

1249
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 1: Cal at five and six squaring off. Nobody's gonna give

1250
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 1: a ship if both of those teams are four and seven.

1251
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 1: You are right about both of those teams are probably

1252
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: gonna be four and seven. Now yep, um, all right?

1253
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:16,719
Speaker 1: Uh so do you have the you took over Calona

1254
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: over Okay Um Arizona Arizona state issues favored by twenty

1255
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 1: and a half point over under fifty two and a half.

1256
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 1: But that means that they don't even think they're gonna

1257
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 1: score two touchdowns. I I'm going to take Arizona in

1258
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 1: this game. This I feel very confident that they will

1259
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 1: not lose by three touchdowns because Arizona State if this game,

1260
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,639
Speaker 1: if they're able to keep this game close, if Arizona

1261
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: can keep it close to early, the wheels are gonna

1262
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 1: come off, bro, and they'll win on like a and

1263
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 1: Arizona will win on like a hell marry or something. Uh.

1264
01:21:57,080 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 1: This game was a sixty three point deficit last year. UM,

1265
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: Believe it or not. Arizona State is better than last

1266
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: year's team, and you have A is worse than last

1267
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Speaker 1: year's team. So it's not gonna be sixty three again.

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Speaker 1: That's one of those like the wheels fell off and

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Speaker 1: then it just kept getting worse and worse. It was

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01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 1: a snowball game. Um. But first of all, I feel

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01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 1: very confident about taking the over on the fifty two

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Speaker 1: maybe the most competent either USC plus are you U

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01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 1: B y U minus seven or a s U you

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01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 1: have a over? Fifty two is the one of the

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01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 1: two things I feel the most confident and definitely going

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01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: in the Unafraid Show. Uh. Fear as Friday picks. Um,

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01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 1: So I'll taking the over for sure, and then I

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01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:41,759
Speaker 1: gotta I'm gonna, I'm gonna take a s U because

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01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 1: even if you split in half what they did last year,

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01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 1: that's still a thirty something point went so um, it's

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01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 1: still it's still a matter of talent in Arizona State

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01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: is still the much much, much much better team. I

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01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 1: think that Arizona State with it. And I know a

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01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 1: lot of people say, just win the game, but I

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01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 1: think Arizona State would be embarrassed if they went out

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01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 1: there and went on a field goal. I think that's

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01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 1: a victory for you of a yeah, oh absolutely, I

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01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 1: mean not on not not on the scoreboard. They'd still

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01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 1: be one and eleven. But at the same time, to

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Speaker 1: go from losing by sixty three to losing by three, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got Arizona and the and the under. What do

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01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 1: you have Arizona State and the over? Okay, And I'll

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01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: buy ten points and put it on the over al

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01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 1: sixty that it's gonna they're going over fifty two for sure,

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01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 1: all right. Airs Notre Dame at Stanford. Notre Dame's favored

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01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: by twenty and a half points over under fifty two.

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01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 1: Give me the over. Notre Dame probably is going to

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01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 1: score fifty two all by themselves. This. Why is this

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01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:52,640
Speaker 1: line at twenty points? It should be at forty this

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01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 1: the line should be the same. Thing is if uh

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01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:03,759
Speaker 1: is if Notre Dame was playing like a directional school, dude,

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01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 1: if they were playing Sanford instead of Stanford, I would

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01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 1: expect the lines to be the same. Jesus um, Yeah,

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01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:19,639
Speaker 1: it's twenty and a half. Is that you said twenty

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01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 1: and a half? Is the spread? Yeah? Yeah, there's no

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01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 1: reason not to take that. That that this is twenty one, easy, easy, twenty.

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01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll take the over as well. But it

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01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 1: feels really bad at the end of the season to

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01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 1: be talking about these Nonpack twelve teams beating the ship

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01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:40,719
Speaker 1: out of Pack twelve times and being very they're gonna

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Speaker 1: go seven oh seven and oh into PAC twelve this year.

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Speaker 1: And both of them played USC and one of them

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01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 1: played Stanford. So so we're saying So what we're saying

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Speaker 1: is we fully expect there will not be another Bull

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01:24:55,560 --> 01:25:00,640
Speaker 1: team because it would take both cal So there can

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01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:02,680
Speaker 1: only be one more, right, There can't be any more

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01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 1: than one more. It would it would take USC it

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01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 1: would take USC and Cow winning this week and then

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01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 1: one of them winning next week, so only one more

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Speaker 1: team can get Bowl eligible. God, it would be just

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01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 1: like it would be just like the Pac twelve to

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01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:20,600
Speaker 1: have like USC find a way to beat b y

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01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 1: U while Cal loses to U C l A, and

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01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 1: then USC would just need to beat Cal and then

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01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:32,560
Speaker 1: they would lose, and right they and they'd find a

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01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 1: way for neither one to go. But I don't even

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Speaker 1: think it's gonna be that. I think they're both gonna

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01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 1: be four and seven going into Um. Well that that

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Speaker 1: that's a bad year. That's a bad year for the

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Speaker 1: Pack twelve, and we're only gonna get probably we're only

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Speaker 1: gonna get three coaching changes unless one of the coaches

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Speaker 1: changes to another like Jonathan Smith or or Justin Wilcos

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01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 1: changes to A to an opening a year this bad

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Speaker 1: with only three coaching changes. Wow, exactly. Um Dennis dot

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Speaker 1: just reported that Luke Fickle is staying at Cincinnati and

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01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 1: recruits are being told such, well yep, so yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: um you guys, that's the Pack twelve. Apostles. I'm George

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Speaker 1: rays Stir, He's Ralph Hamps. Then peace out, catch you

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Speaker 1: guys next week and happy Thanksgiving