WEBVTT - 090223 The Jacksonville Dollar General Mass Shooting (Part 1) 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:05.720 Another sad day in this country's history, another mass shooting. 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:09.080 I'd like to welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.240 I am your host, Ramsey's job. Big shout out to 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.600 Maman q Ward, who is still globe trotting, but I 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:18.880 promised this is the last week we will be without him. Fortunately, 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.319 we have another guest in the studio, a longtime friend 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:25.319 of the show was helping me as I broadcast from 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:28.480 the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. Doctor Camillo Wessenberg is back 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:32.320 in the building. Welcome back to the show. You thank you, okay, okay. 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:35.560 And for those who don't know, doctor Westnberg is Professor 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:38.600 Emeritus of English and Music for over forty years. Is 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:42.080 where as well as the second vice president for Political 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:45.000 Action of the Maricopa County Branch of the NAACP, and 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.919 she will be sitting in on some conversations that we 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:54.880 definitely need to have, including, as I mentioned, the most 0:00:54.920 --> 0:01:01.920 recent mass shooting in Jacksonville, Florida, that was specifically targeting 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:04.959 black people in a black community as they were going 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.920 about their lives. So we're going to take a little 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:12.800 bit of time today to discuss the cesspit of hatred 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:19.600 and the cancerous nature of chat online chat rooms that 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:24.400 harbor these sorts of sentiments and allow these echo chambers 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:29.120 to exist and ultimately manifest and death being honest, but 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:33.680 also other harms perpetuated against black and brown communities. And 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:35.520 we're also going to spend the second part of the 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:40.400 show talking about DEI training, diversity equity and inclusion training, 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:45.560 and the recent attacks on DEI in the workplace and 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:50.080 in other parts of life in America. And we are 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:54.040 going to make a case not that we thought we 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.120 needed to, but make a case for y DEEI training 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.000 is good for all of us. That and so much 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:01.040 more to stick around for for today's episode of Civic Cipher. 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:03.880 But first and foremost, we are going to discuss some 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:07.800 ebony excellence. As always in today's ABNY, Excellence is sponsored 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:11.400 by Major Threads for innovative fashionable sports. Were Checkmajor threads 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:15.680 dot com. Today's reading comes from Bionnews dot com and 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:17.880 we are talking about a fourteen year old girl who 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:21.639 earned her third college degree before finishing her first year 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:26.480 of high school. According to Black Enterprise, Anita Bennett, age fourteen, 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.720 made history when she graduated summa cum laude and received 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:34.080 her Associates of Science from Cuyahoya Community College. As a 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:37.800 freshman at Ohio Connections Academy, Bennett has already earned an 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.880 Associate of Arts and an Associate of Technical Studies in 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:44.040 childcare Administration and Management. The fourteen year old was able 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:47.400 to graduate with three degrees through Ohio's dual enrollment program 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.120 College Credit Plus, which allows her to take high school 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:53.679 and college courses at the same time, and it said 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.680 she plans to complete a bachelor's degree before she graduates 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:00.359 high school. Quote, when you don't know about college that 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.880 kind of stuff, it can seem really easy, really hard, 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:07.280 and it could seem impossible at times. But just knowing 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:08.799 that if you put your mind to it, you can 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.560 do it, and that disguise the limit and you create 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:15.079 your own boundaries, she said. The fourteen year old said 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.000 her mom inspired her to work and push herself to 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:19.720 achieve her goals. She goes on to say, seeing my 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.320 mother and how hard she worked and how she got 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.840 her business running and how successful it really was, inspired 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:27.960 me to go into that field as well. And I've 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:29.799 always had a passion and love for children, so I 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.079 knew I wanted to do something like that with my life. 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.440 So seeing her already have a successful business, it only 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:39.720 makes sense to me to take over when I get older, 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.440 since I wanted to work in the childcare industry as well. 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:47.200 And so today we salute you, Anita Ben at age 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:51.920 fourteen for again having your third college degree before you 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:57.160 finished your first year of high school. That is spectacular, incredible, right, 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.600 and of course it is an example of ed the excellence. 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:16.120 Moving on, so the Jacksonville mass shooting. I know that 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:19.599 I know that we have to go through it line 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:24.159 by line and detail what happened. But I'd like to 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:28.520 ask you what your early thoughts were when you first 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:32.480 heard about the shooting and put them in context of 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:38.120 not just the recent attacks on black people and Hispanic 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:42.200 people and Jewish and Muslim people that we've seen around 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.200 this country in recent years, but also in the context 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:50.719 of what your idea of terrorism is, your personal idea 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:54.279 having lived rather longer than than I have. 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:03.520 Well, I suppose it was. It's happening again. Here it 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.839 is again. I can't believe we are experiencing this again. 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:13.920 We have had a history of African Americans being killed, 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:19.880 assassinated by one person or groups of people, and it 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:28.520 is history. It was occurring from my childhood, from slavery 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.239 and up until today. 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.400 And I guess. 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:40.279 The question is, given that we are supposed to be 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:51.719 a civilized society and improved society, a progressive society, a 0:05:51.839 --> 0:06:00.359 democratic society that has values, how is it that a 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:07.000 segment of our population continues to harbor some of the 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:14.640 sentiments that separate us and degrade people and see them 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:20.480 as less than inferior to the extent that they have 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:29.280 to pick up a weapon, go and kill someone and 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:34.480 even kill themselves. What is it that is so innately 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:45.120 a part of you that allows you to engage in 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:50.000 that type of activity. Where was your mind a few 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:56.560 minutes before? And what do you go through physically? How 0:06:56.560 --> 0:07:00.919 do you see people through your eyes? Mind boggling to 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:06.240 me that we have people who can walk in and 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:15.320 randomly shoot people, chase them down and shoot people. It's 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:21.280 happened again, and we keep saying that it's happened again. Oh, 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:26.800 it's happened again. It isn't a novelty any longer. So 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:33.880 what can we do within our society to change this 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.800 pattern that we have Because it has become a pattern, 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:43.760 it's the norm. We need to find some mechanism to 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:49.120 change it, and we stop and we give condolences to 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.920 the family, and then the people come out and they 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:57.560 put their flowers, and you know, they mong the loss 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:04.800 of people, and still they go back in fear themselves. 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:09.320 We are a people. 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:16.760 In fear. We're not peaceful, and we are doing that 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:22.400 to ourselves. We are fostering that type of human environment 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:26.680 in which we are existing now, and we have the 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:28.640 capacity to charge that. 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:35.160 Oh yeah, absolutely. Now, in case you are not entirely 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.520 aware of what it is we're talking about, which I'm 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:39.880 sure you are, I have to paint a picture for 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.280 those of us who are just getting up to speed. 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:47.520 So I'm gonna share a little bit from CNN. Jacksonville 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:51.440 gunman was turned away from an HBCU before racist shooting 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.480 that killed three at a nearby store. Authorready say, all right, 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.280 the gunman who killed three people Saturday at so it's 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.640 sort of been last Saturday at a Dollar General in Jackson, Florida, 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:02.480 had earlier been turned away from the campus of a 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.959 historically black university just blocks away from the site, shooting 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:10.000 authorities said was a targeted attack against black people. The gunman, 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.640 identified as twenty one year old you know, we don't 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:17.640 say their names on this show. Bought a handgun in 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.480 April and an Air fifteen style rifle in June. The 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.600 sheriff said he lived with his parents in nearby Orange 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.880 Park and had no criminal arrest history, although he had 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.959 been temporarily involuntarily held under the Baker Act in twenty seventeen. 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.400 The sheriff said the gunman used racial slurs, left behind 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:37.360 a racist I believe this is creed or screed, and 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:41.440 drew swastikas on his firearm. Authorities said he was armed 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.880 with an Air fifteen style rifle and a handgun, and 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.080 was wearing a tactical vest and blue latex gloves. The 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:52.600 sheriff said victims were identified as Angela Michelle Carr fifty two, 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:58.800 Gerald Gallion, twenty nine, and Annult Joseph aj Legera junior, 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:03.480 age nineteen. At one away PM at the Dollar General 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.080 parking lot, the gunman shot into a black Kia and 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.880 killed car, the sheriff said, then entered the store and 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:13.240 fatally shot Laghea. The sheriff said others fled out the 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.040 rear exit of the store, and the suspect exited the 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:20.080 same door before returning inside The gunman then fatally shot Gallion, 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:23.640 who had just walked into the store, and chased after 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:27.120 and shot at Gallion's lean girlfriend. The sheriff said at 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.920 one eighteen pm, the gunman texted his father and told 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.040 him to go into his room, but the father found 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.280 a will and a suicide note. Sheriff said. Officers entered 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.920 the store a minute later, eleven minutes from the start 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.160 of the shooting and heard one gun shot, which is 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.600 presumed to be when the gunman shot and killed himself. 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.120 The shooting came five years to the day a mass 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.240 shooting in downtown Jacksonville at a Madden video game tournament. 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.400 The attack also coincided with the commemoration of the sixtieth 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.640 anniversary of the March on Washington, the iconic civil rights 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.800 demonstration that called on the government to better protect the 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:04.040 rights of black people. So, a couple of things that 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:07.440 I want to add to some of the questions that 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:10.520 you posited, you know, in kind of bringing us up 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:14.120 to speed in terms of your initial reaction. Some of 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:21.600 the research that I've done into the sort of as 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:25.400 I mentioned that like the cess pit, the breeding grounds 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:34.280 for people that feel like these mass shooters feel they 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:47.240 are in online forums where people feel like they can 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:53.080 blame their problems on other people and they are provided 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:57.360 as sort of like echo chamber to express themselves where 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:03.800 they won't be challenged and they can they have other 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.320 people around them that help them make sense of the 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:14.319 world that affirms and reaffirms what it is that they 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:19.600 thought things were supposed to be. In other words, let's 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:27.679 take for a moment, a white male, right. I want 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:31.000 to make sure that it is said plainly that white 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:36.920 men are our brothers. And if we're painting with broad strokes, 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:41.439 they might be having a tough time adjusting to the 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:47.640 changing climate, racial compositions, political climate of this country. Okay, 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:53.880 our brothers right, and we being the older brothers and sisters, 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.720 being of African descent, being the first humans, I've always 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:04.079 felt like, despite our troubles and our issues, we also 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:07.560 have to be mindful and historically we have been very 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:11.800 patient and very mindful of our younger brothers and sisters 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.600 that we share this planet with. There is a degree 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:18.880 of compassion and grace that I found often in black 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:23.640 women who're older than me, those people that pray, you know, 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.839 I'm not a person that engages to the same degree 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:31.880 that some other folks do. But I see the emotion, 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:39.360 I see the commitment to positivity and hoping for positive outcomes. 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.960 I've never seen black women take up arms and pitchforks 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:43.839 and that sort of thing, and that has not been 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:57.000 my reality. So for our white male brothers who have 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:02.480 been promised the American dream, who have been promised when 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:03.599 you get older. 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:05.720 You can you can do. You can be anything you 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.320 want to do right. You can be a movie star, 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:12.240 you can be an NBA player, you can whatever. And 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:13.720 then you know, as they. 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:18.360 Develop into men and they realize that they don't have 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:25.160 access to money, opportunities, companionship, you know that they thought, 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:33.320 there's a realization that life may not ultimately hold everything 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:41.680 that they expected, and they are prime for the why. 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:56.640 And if they are fed information from sources that have 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:01.760 ulterior motives, a separate agenda, et cetera, they could be 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:05.440 convinced that in the case of El Paso, Texas, it's 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.160 Mexican people crumbing across the border, stealing your jobs, affecting 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:11.200 the economy, and this is why your life looks like this, 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:16.600 as opposed to unfettered capitalism, corporate creed. You know, these 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:18.280 sorts of things. The people that are taking from you 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.160 look just like you. You know they you know they're 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:29.800 they're able to receive disinformation and misinformation. If the political 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:39.200 climate looks like people are having conversations about white supremacy 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:43.160 and white privilege, and these white men look at their 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.680 own lives and say, well, shoot, I wish I had 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.120 some white supremacy, I wish I had some white privilege. Man, 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:55.280 that would certainly change things around here, then it's easier 0:15:55.280 --> 0:16:02.600 for them to push back, and they can find themselves 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.320 being upset because when they look at TV and they 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:13.720 see these black millionaires and more recently black millionaires who 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.680 have all of the things, all the reality that they 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:21.720 want to live. To them, they're connecting dots that they've 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.400 been primed to connect, right, They're not looking at numbers, 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.960 they're not looking at things in mass. And so the 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:28.600 long and short of it is that it's easy for 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:32.800 them to end up receiving information that allows them to 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:37.560 feel more comfortable about where they are and why they 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.920 haven't done more, and then they end up moving in 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:42.720 this direction. It sounds like you want to jump in police. 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:44.680 Yeah, there are a couple of things that cross my 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:48.560 mind as you were talking when you mentioned that they 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.880 were in this echo chamber in the social media environment 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.640 where everyone is bouncing off of each other with the 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:01.880 same concept. There isn't anyone in there to differ with 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:07.000 what they are chanting. It's easy to buy into that 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:14.000 and to become grounded in that particular environment. And one 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.040 of the things is human beings. I don't know why. 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.840 The analogy is like a choir. Everybody's singing their song 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:24.240 on social media and whatever link that is, and they're 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.320 just chiming in and they're giving their part, and everyone 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:33.399 wants to be somebody within there that some come out 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:37.640 and they do their solo act, and the solo act 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.920 is with that gun. That's how they demonstrate I am 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.000 with you, I am I am somebody within this environment, 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:48.040 especially if they're looking to be acknowledged on who they are. 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:52.000 So that's one of the things. The other thing is, 0:17:55.000 --> 0:18:03.000 as a whole, people need to understand that you can 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.679 be whatever you want to be, you can go wherever 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:11.080 you want to go. The fact is, and I'll set 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.800 this in class, especially to my athletes and to people 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:18.480 in the arts, that I say it, said doctor Westinberg, 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:19.800 I'm going to make it to the pro And I said, 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:21.479 you need to work on this assignment, or you need 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.680 to do this this English assignment. But I'm gonna I'm 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:26.520 gonna have a secretary. I'm going to have I'm gonna 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:30.840 you know, I don't need it. There are so many 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:36.520 slots in the world for you to get to that point. 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.000 I would say here in Phoenix, if you look at 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:43.960 the number of high school football players, are basketball players 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.240 that want to get to the pros. And I'm changing 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.280 over a little bit. This isn't about guns. But you 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.960 want to get to the pros. There are just so 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:56.919 many slots that are there to be filled. And you 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:58.880 think about each one of the high schools and each 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.560 one of the young men of the ladies in that 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:06.720 in that respect, everybody's not going to get there. It's 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.280 simply not going to happen. So always say you have 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:15.000 to find something else, some safety net sure that you 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:19.560 can use. And the young people that are engaging in 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:25.320 this racism, that's all that they know. They have bought 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.240 into it. They have not put themselves in any other 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:34.199 environment to latch onto. It's like in a cell and 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:38.520 they're locked in and they can't get out, and so 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:42.160 they just continue to move in that direction. And that's 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.280 the unfortunate so aspect of it. 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:51.199 Yeah, yeah, so watch this. There's unfortunately, there's these corners 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:54.200 of the internet, you know, in my in my research 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:57.400 that are very very toxic and very very sick. And 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:03.480 what ends up happening is there are people sharing these 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:08.879 really hateful ideas about black people, about anybody who's not 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:12.440 really straight and white, et cetera. But they're women in 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:17.320 these forms as well, and they actually encourage this. They 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:21.919 praise the previous mass shooter, and then they encourage whoever 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:25.760 is currently working on a manifesto to get a higher 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:29.560 score and to go out and do more harm. And 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:33.920 they suggest these folks that they'll be remembered and worshiped 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:36.360 as a hero. And you got to think, if you're 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:37.800 at a point in your life where you feel like 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:40.800 your life has no value, no one cares, No one 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:44.160 cares if you're here or not, even if you do 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:48.320 something awful and die, at least your life meant something. 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:51.840 And for some people fueled by hate and the desire 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:55.400 to matter because they've been promised that you know, you're 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:58.919 special and you're unique and you can do anything. I 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:05.400 think the intersection of those two elements is really part 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.840 and parcel to what I see in most of these 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:15.479 backstories of these mass shooters. And unfortunately, we as a people, 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:18.840 we end up bearing the brunt of it, and then 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:22.560 the society at large and children, and you know, there's 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:27.320 been plenty of mass shootings that are not specifically racially 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:31.640 targeted and so but a lot of these components remain 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:33.760 the same. You know, if they're not mad at black 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:36.640 people specifically, they're mad at liberals in general, or they're 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:39.879 you know, these are often conservative folks carrying out these attacks, 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:42.440 deeply radically conservative. I guess that's. 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:50.399 Why I think there should be legislatively some process to 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:55.240 limit restrict the type of messaging. And I believe in 0:21:55.280 --> 0:22:00.760 freedom of speech, but there should be legislation to limit 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:07.000 any messaging that is destructive to society. 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:11.160 And I want to agree with you here because in 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:14.080 the nation state of Germany, where they have a history 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:19.840 of systematically exterminating human beings, and obviously once upon a 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:23.520 time it was under Nazi rule, they have very strict 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:27.639 rules in place, and Germany, for the most part, is 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:29.480 exactly what we would consider in terms of like a 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:32.880 free country, but just like in this country, you can't 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:35.840 go into a movie theater and yell fire. A certain 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:41.960 speech is not protected, and that certainly is a move 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:46.000 that we could consider, in addition to what many people 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:52.480 agree is the problem everybody having access to guns, and 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:55.320 people doubling and tripling down on the Second Amendment rights 0:22:55.440 --> 0:22:58.720 that were written for muskets, and now people have aks 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:01.800 and so forth. We'll keep talking, but that's where we 0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:02.240 are now.