1 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me Frank Affney. The program 2 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country 3 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the 4 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: glory of God and His Kingdom. As we speak, we 5 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: are on the road at the moment in Orlando, hence 6 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: a little less formal setting, but we are going to 7 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: give you a very high quality program today, starting with 8 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: my friend Josh Hammer. Josh is an editor at Newsweek, 9 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: the author of a very important book about the Jews 10 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: and civilization. He is a go to resource for matters 11 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: in particular involving the Middle East, and we're anxious to 12 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: catch up with him in connection with the news of 13 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,839 Speaker 1: the day, which is that in the course of meeting 14 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: yesterday between President Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, 15 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: a deal was struck that will bring ends to hostilities 16 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: in Gaza and peace to the Middle East, we're told, 17 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: or maybe not, but at all at the moment hangs 18 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: on whether Hamas will agree to the various points twenty 19 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: of them to be precise, in this deal, and thereby 20 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: put in motion the rest of arrangements that are quite extensive, 21 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: quite ambitious, Some would say quite implausible as well. And 22 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to get Josh's take on all of it, 23 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: and we are so grateful to for doing so. On 24 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: the drop of a hat, Josh, thank you for joining 25 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: us once again. 26 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: Welcome back, you bet, thank you, Frank. I appreciate it. 27 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: So twenty points. We won't have time to go through 28 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: them all, but i'd like your sort of overview as 29 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: to whether this is first of all a workable arrangement 30 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: if everybody signs on. That would include of course Tomas, 31 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: but also it's backers, the Kataris and others who have 32 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: thrown in on this thing, and we'll get next to 33 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: how practicable it is. But do you think this is 34 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: going to go through in the first instance, Sir. 35 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: Frank, My intenna go up every time that I hear 36 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: a twenty point plan virtually in any context. This strikes 37 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: me justice that at a very prim and fashion level, 38 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: like right off the bat, as a kind of thing 39 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 2: that a bunch of think tank eggheads might be able 40 00:02:59,919 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: to produced, but that which stands very little connection to 41 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: on the ground empirical reality. I mean, call me old school, 42 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 2: but I'm something of a Burkian conservative. I am something 43 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 2: of a skeptic of the ability of human beings to 44 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: devise game plans really over any prolonged extended horizon of time. 45 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: Perhaps doubly so when you're dealing here with a situation 46 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: like Gaza, where you have certain actors that are radical, 47 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: seventh century aspiring Shreia, supremacist, genocidal gie Hottis. So, you know, 48 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: we know from John steinbad that the best laid plans 49 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: of mice and men often go right, And it's very 50 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: difficult for me to see how this thing really kind 51 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: of gets off the get go. I mean, if I 52 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: recall the twenty or twenty one whatever it is, exact 53 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: number of steps of the plan. Literally, step one has 54 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: to do with the deradicalization of Hamas, and soon thereafter 55 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: is the willingness of Hamas too laid down their arms. 56 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Frank, not to put too fine 57 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: a point on it, but you know, I remember too 58 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: when I believed in the tooth Fairy and I believed 59 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: in Unicorn, right, I mean, there are you know, it's 60 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: fun to talk about some of the things as maybe happening, 61 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: but it's very difficult to foresee a world with some 62 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: of these basic steps might happen, unless you're you did 63 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: correctly bring up Katar. Is it possible that Katar has 64 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 2: had something of a change of their own calculation at 65 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: least an aftermath of israel strike on the Hamas operatives 66 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 2: in Doha. Now that strike was actually tactically unfortunately, they 67 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: broadly missed their target. It's not entirely obvious what happened. 68 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 2: Some people speculated that the Trump administration leaked to Qatar. 69 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: They evacuated neither here nor there. But whatever the tactical 70 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: success or lack thereof, was of the Israeli strike on Doha, 71 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 2: it did perhaps awaken Katara that they are fair gain, 72 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: that their soil is fair gain, and they really are 73 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: the puppeteers, as you correctly say of Hamas. So that 74 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 2: that's kind of the one interesting tidbit here. Is Qatar 75 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: in a slightly different situation visa vis that their Hamas 76 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: puppets than they were just a few weeks ago. If 77 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: the answer to that question is yes, then perhaps my 78 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: pessimism is misplaced, and perhaps there actually might be some 79 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: real pressure from h is Arab Brevin. But for now, Frank, 80 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 2: what I what I basically see is a plan that 81 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 2: is pretty much pie in the sky unworkable, which frankly, 82 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 2: may actually be the point that actually may be the 83 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 2: entire purpose of this entire charade. Actually with President Trump 84 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: and primus Netaya who BBNA, who is someone who has 85 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 2: been around the block a few times in this arena, 86 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 2: I think he knows that this plan is unworkable. That's 87 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: probably why he was able to to grin and bear it. 88 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: And the silver lining is that if and when Hamas 89 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: inevitably does not uphold the terms of this deal, I'm 90 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 2: not even sure that they will accept the deal in 91 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: the first place. But even if they do, if they 92 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: quote unquote accept the deal, frank they inevitably will violate 93 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 2: it in a myriad ways within probably twenty four or 94 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 2: forty eight hours after verbally espousing a purported acceptance, at 95 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 2: which point Neta Who and the Israelities will have the 96 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: impromotore of legitimacy from the Trump ministration to really kind 97 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: of go all in. And if that is really kind 98 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: of the whole purpose of this elaborate song and dance, 99 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 2: then then I say that is that is a good 100 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: ending there. But we shall see a lot of question 101 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: marks remain, that is for sure. 102 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: For sure, starting with you know, will Hamas even profess 103 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: to be bound by these terms. I want to come 104 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: back to cut her in a moment, But josh As, 105 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that has been an 106 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: impetus behind all of this is a rising chorus in 107 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: Israel that the hostages must be released, all of them. 108 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: One of the provisions of this is that they will 109 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: all be released, you know, upfront, for seventy two hours, 110 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: as I recall, is that in fact likely to happen? 111 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: Do you think you know, there's been some talk that 112 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: Hamas is now saying they don't actually know where all 113 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: of the hostages are, may be more dead than they've 114 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: let on. I mean, to the extent I'm asking this 115 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: really not so much from the point of view of 116 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: the particulars of how many are alive and how many 117 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: are dead, and where they are and who has them 118 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: and all the rest of it. Talk, just if you would, 119 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: about the priority that has been accorded to them to Trump. Really, 120 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: if I can use that expression, the strategic interests of 121 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: Israel in finishing the job. 122 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Frank, I was in Israel in June. We actually 123 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: were there during the Iran War. We end up evacuating 124 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 2: hold stories. Neither here nor there, but that is my 125 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: first time there in about a year and a half 126 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: or so. I was there also in January twenty twenty four, 127 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: just a few months after the Pagram. But when I 128 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: was there a few months ago in June, I was 129 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 2: struck actually at just the complete ubiquity, the pervasive is 130 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: throughout the entire country of the hostage posters. This is 131 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: a country that really, really, really wants their hostages back, 132 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: and that is part of the equation. Here is a 133 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: lot of folks in America, I think, don't quite realize 134 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: just how divisive and controversial a figure in Israel bbing 135 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: Nanton Yah, who is just as Trump is, is a 136 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 2: divisive figure here. The left hates him so much here 137 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: so too, the left hates Nanton yahuo in Israel, and 138 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: of their criticisms, I think unjust criticisms for what it's worth, 139 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 2: but a lot of their criticisms essentially air the grievance 140 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 2: that he has not done enough to retrieve the hostages. Now, 141 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: from my perspective, Frank, I'll be very blunt with you, 142 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: I think that Israel made a strategic error actually from 143 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: the get go, and announcing at the Onset right after 144 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 2: the Pagram that there were two goals in this war, 145 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: and they were of equal strategic and moral importance, which 146 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: were won the eradication of Hamas and to the retrieval 147 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: of the hostages. I don't want to come across as 148 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: overly callous. Obviously I would do whatever I could if 149 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: I loved one were there in those subterranean terror tunnels. 150 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: But it seems to me that one of these things 151 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: is simply not on the same level as the other 152 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: in terms of the mid to long term strategic significance. 153 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 2: So I question Israel's attempt to balance these two goals 154 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 2: over the broader course with this conflict. But Beebee is 155 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: clearly experiencing a tremendous amount of pressure back home to 156 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: get the hostages back. I have no doubt that that 157 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 2: is part of the reason why he was able to 158 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: Grin and Barrett on Monday at the White House over 159 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: the course of the rollout of this twenty one point plan. 160 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the point, and I couldn't agree with 161 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: how you characterize this, Josh. The point is, as we've 162 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: said ourselves in this country, when Americans are taken hostage, 163 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: We're not going to negotiate for them. Sometimes we do 164 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, but we're say that that is our purpose, 165 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: not to reward people for seizing Americans, which can be 166 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: done any day of the week all over the world. 167 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: As you know, That's what worries me most about this 168 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: is that I'm fear that, however this works out in 169 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: terms of the deal, that penchant, that proclivity, that understandable 170 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: moral impulse is going to be operating again with still 171 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: more israelis taken hostage. In due course, we have to 172 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: take a break. We'll be right back with more with 173 00:09:53,720 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: Josh Hammer. Stay tuned, Welcome back. Josh Hammer is in 174 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: the house. I'm very pleased to say he has written 175 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: a powerful book about Jews and civilization, and it is 176 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: against the backdrop really of that reality. The Jewish people, 177 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: particularly those in Israel, are in the front lines of 178 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: the effort to save Western civilization, what is known as 179 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: Judeo Christian civilization, from the ravages of well, people like Amas, 180 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: people like the Shariah supremacists as I call them, that 181 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: are operating now worldwide, almost all of whom benefit from 182 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: the largesse of Cutter and she were talking earlier in 183 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: the program about the possibility that the attack by Israel 184 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: uncutter has produced a change of heart. I wonder whether, 185 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: aside from you know, speculating about that, you see evidence 186 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: of it in terms of cutting back, they're fuindancing their 187 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: enabling of jihadism worldwide. And if not, are we looking 188 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: at the prospect that there is going to be simply 189 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: in due course a lot more of these as you 190 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: call them, pograms, maybe in the Juday and Samaria for starters. 191 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: Well, Frank Lenny is briefly before answer your question chain, 192 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 2: which is a good and important one, just just talk 193 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: about the actual program itself of October seven, twenty twenty three. So, 194 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 2: as I mentioned earlier conversation, I was there just a 195 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 2: few months after the fact. I was there in January 196 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. When I say I was there, I 197 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: was not just in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem. I went down 198 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: to the to the kibbuttin, to the communities that were slaughtered. 199 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: I was there in Kafaraza, which virtually everyone was slain. 200 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: I saw the blood stained on the walls, the children's 201 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 2: toys just strewn throughout the streets. What the last WhatsApp 202 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: message of this couple that was murdered was on the 203 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: wall there. The whole thing was just unspeakable, just absolutely 204 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: positively horrific. We were also there at Reyem at the 205 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 2: Nova Music festival where a hundred people were were gunned down, 206 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 2: and this was a legitimate throwback to an old school European, 207 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: Eastern European style pagram. I mean, that really is the 208 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 2: word that comes to minds. And look, there have been 209 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: any number of attacks in Judaea and Samaria with the 210 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: international community first who was a so called West Bank. 211 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 2: In fact, it was actually a profound increase just a 212 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: couple of years years ago in attacks in Janain, Samaria. 213 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 2: It leveled off a little bit, if not mistaken, over 214 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: the past year, but it's still higher than historically has 215 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: been there. And when you look at the polling of 216 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 2: the Palestinian Arab population in both jay and Samaria and Gaza, Frank, 217 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: this notion that these radical Jihati groups do not speak 218 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: for the Arabs living there is a complete lie. It 219 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 2: is a bare faced, just bare knuckle lie. We see 220 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 2: polling over and over again that Hamas that the October 221 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: seventh assault, the pagram itself is overwhelmingly popular among the 222 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: Arab communities there. There was a poll that came out 223 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: just a couple of weeks after the Pagram in late 224 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 2: October twenty twenty three from one of the few reputable 225 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 2: or semi reputable pollsters in jay and Samaria and Gaza, 226 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: and they pulled the Arabs there and said, if you 227 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: could have led one person to be your ruler in 228 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: a quote unquote Palestinian state there, who would it be? 229 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,239 Speaker 2: And the number one person who they said was Marwan Barguti. 230 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 3: He got a. 231 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: Plurality of the vote to thirty four percent of memory 232 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 2: serves mar One. Bargoti is serving multiple life sentences in 233 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: Israeli prison for being one of one of the most 234 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: infamous terrorists in terms of murdering civilians. So this is 235 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 2: a truly truly radicalized population there. Now, I say all 236 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: that because you're correct to know that the only chance 237 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 2: I think of this of this ever working in this 238 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: twenty one point piece plan more generally, you know, peace 239 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: in the region, you know, holding aside my own thoughts 240 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 2: on the Tuesday solution or or lack thereof, Yes, part 241 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: of the equation would be Qatar really cracking down on 242 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: their radical Arabs on the ground and I don't necessarily 243 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: see any firm evidence that Qatar has had a change 244 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: of heart. Consider me very skeptical that they have done. 245 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 3: So. 246 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 2: This is the country that has been a duplicitous actor 247 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: on the world stage for a very long time, and 248 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: for what it's worth, Frank will be very honest with you, 249 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: I was not pleased with what I saw on that front. 250 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: Just on Monday at the White House, the reporting was 251 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: that Natanyahu called the Mirror of Qatar, with President Trump 252 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 2: in the room, to apologize for this for the strike 253 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: on Doha. Seemingly that was due to pressure the Trump administration. 254 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: It's not great. I think there'll be a very polite 255 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: way of saying it. I'm not happy about that. I 256 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 2: think the optics of that are really, really quite bad. 257 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: Qatar is a country that should have much more pressure 258 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: applied on it as opposed to trying to kind of 259 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 2: bring it into the to the panoply of first world 260 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 2: countries there. So I see very little evidence of Katar 261 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: having a change of heart. I'm merely just opened the 262 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 2: possibility that, you know, to kind of paraphrase the old 263 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 2: Don Rumsfeld line, there are known unknowns, and you know, 264 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 2: I mean here am I you know here, I am 265 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: sitting in the United States. I mean, I can't necessarily 266 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: read the minds everyone's sitting in Doha, but based on 267 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 2: what I see, Frank, I'm skeptical that they've had that 268 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 2: change of heart, which does not necessarily augur well for 269 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: either Gaza or frankly, for the for the region more broadly. 270 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: Big time, the world more generally. I would argue just 271 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: a quick question, Josh, and I think you, you know, 272 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: are sufficiently conversant with the political context in which this 273 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: is taking place in Israel. We've talked about the hostages 274 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: and the yearning for their freedom. What about the coalition 275 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: government that Bbe has been managing, despite some very very 276 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: adamant opposition to anything remotely like this kind of deal 277 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: from some in his coalition. Do you anticipate he is 278 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: going to have problems with them? 279 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 2: I think he might. There was definitely a very critical 280 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 2: quote that was put out by Beslos Mootrich, who's the 281 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 2: finance minister there. He is of the Religious Zionism Party, 282 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 2: one of the one of the parties of the coalition 283 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 2: that we would say is further right than the lacud Netta, 284 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: whose own party so This is kind of the delicate 285 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: balancing app in netaa who is trying to do. I 286 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 2: don't envy him, Frankly, you know, I'm skeptical of this deal, 287 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: and I've I've had my criticisms of nettinga who over 288 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 2: the years. Certainly I think that he's overall a historical 289 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 2: leader by finding criticisms. But he's in a very difficult place, 290 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: and which we should not be afraid to just to 291 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: just say that he's in a very very difficult place 292 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: is really politics, frank As you know, it's kind of 293 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 2: just a Frankly, is a mess in general. But the country, 294 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 2: it's just so torn over this conflict over what's prioritize 295 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 2: between the hostages versus Hamas israel Is. I think there's 296 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: a bit of misconception. 297 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: You know. 298 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 2: A lot of the anti semight say, oh, the Israelities 299 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 2: are just such warmongers they love war. I no, they're not. 300 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: I mean, this is a peace seeking people, just as 301 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 2: everyone else throughout the world is a peace seeking people. 302 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 2: And they've had almost a thousand young men and women, 303 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 2: mostly men tragically, who have died over the course this war. 304 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 2: That's a lot of people. That's a lot of soldiers. 305 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 2: This is already the longest war in Israeli history, and 306 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 2: I think most Israelis, like most Americans, like most Westerners, 307 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 2: want to see this war come to a conclusion. So 308 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 2: Bbe's trying to bounce that with the anti Hamas hawkishness 309 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 2: of this motches and Edimar Ben Gavier's of the world 310 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 2: is a very very difficult bouncing out to do. Again, 311 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 2: I do not envy his position cards on the table. 312 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 2: You know, from my advantage point there, as an American, 313 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 2: I wish that Hamas will be eradicated because they are 314 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 2: a US recognized foreign terrorist organization, and a gaza that 315 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 2: is free of Hamas is demonstrably better for the American 316 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 2: national interest. But the Israeli perspective is perhaps a little 317 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: more nuanced there, And that's really Natanya who's trying to 318 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: thread this needle right now. 319 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think that the overall policy approach that 320 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: he has adopted, and I think you agree with this, is, 321 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: you know, you must extirpate these characters from that society. 322 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody is really thinking beyond the 323 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: platitude in that first point of de radicalization of how 324 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: you do that in a place like Gaza, especially with 325 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: the appetites that have now been reinforced. I'm afraid by 326 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: the prospect that there is not going to be the 327 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: decisive defeat, military defeat that was in prospect at least 328 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: until now, and may yet be as you say, the 329 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: deal does not come to pass. But I did want 330 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: to just say, Josh, your insights into how this is, 331 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, playing out, and what it might mean for 332 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: Bebe internally is hugely important. And it would be ironic, indeed, 333 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: if what some have described as kind of a Kamala 334 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: Harris plan also results in the toppling of the Israeli government, 335 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: which was also part of, of course, the Harris Biden 336 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: Obama agenda for many years. We have to leave it 337 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: at that. I'm so grateful to you for your time 338 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: and for your insights on all of these things, Josh Hammer, 339 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: and for the larger body of work that you are 340 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: presenting to us, particularly on Jews and civilization. God bless you, 341 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: my friend. Come back to us as the tourist, give 342 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: us updates if you want. We'll be right back. Books 343 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: stay too, We're back, and so is Rod Martin. I'm 344 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: very pleased to say, the Chairman of the board of 345 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: the Institute for the American Future, of which I'm proud 346 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,239 Speaker 1: to serve as president. He is also the author of 347 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: an extraordinarily formidable well a series of reports and also blogs. 348 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: It's to be found at Rodmartin dot org. It's called 349 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: the Rod Martin Report. You can also find his myriad 350 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: interviews and commentaries there, and I strongly commend to you 351 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 1: that is a resource. Rod has a background in entrepreneurial activity, 352 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: notably a member of the founding PayPal Mafia, which is 353 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: quite an extraordinary group. 354 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 3: Rod. 355 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: It is great to have you back, especially given some 356 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: things that are very much in a dynamic mode at 357 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: the moment, and I'm anxious to get the benefit of 358 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: your free range thinking on what is happening. It's good 359 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: to have you with us, sir. 360 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 3: It's always good to be here. 361 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: Let me start by asking you about this government shutdown, 362 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: which as we speak is impending. There does seem to 363 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: be a Mexican standoff, if you will, taking place between 364 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: President Trump on the one hand, the Republicans who insist 365 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: on a clean continuing resolution as they call it. The 366 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: Democrats want to make some changes to terms of the 367 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: big beautiful bill you have written about this at your 368 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: blog at Rod Martin to the effect that the Democrats 369 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: are right where Donald Trump wants him in a box. 370 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: Let us know why and what this all portends for 371 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: the American people. 372 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 4: I honestly can't fathom why they're being this stupid. I 373 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 4: understand the thought process, but I still just marvel at it. 374 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: And the thought process is pretty straightforward. 375 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 4: We've had government shut downs, you know, for decades, off 376 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 4: and on, and it didn't matter who was in Congress 377 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 4: versus who was in the White House. The Republicans always 378 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 4: get blamed by the media one hundred percent. So you know, 379 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 4: when Gingrich's crew came in after the ninety four election, 380 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 4: they thought they could shut down the government and the 381 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 4: president would get blamed because that had always been what happened. 382 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 4: This had happened under Reagan several times, and Reagan always 383 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 4: got blamed, and they foolishly thought this was because he 384 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 4: was president. The executive branch would get blamed for this. 385 00:22:59,080 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 3: Guess what. 386 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 4: The Republicans got blamed for it no matter which end 387 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,479 Speaker 4: of Pennsylvania Avenue they were on. So Trump is the 388 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 4: first one to actually win one of these. 389 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 3: And what do I mean by that? 390 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 4: Well, we had a shut down, actually the longest shutdown ever, 391 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 4: round Christmas of twenty eighteen into January of twenty nineteen, 392 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 4: and of course the intermedia did everything it could to 393 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 4: spend it as this huge debacle for Donald Trump, but 394 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 4: it wasn't. The polling was clear. People actually blamed the 395 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 4: Democrats for it, and Trump is emboldened. 396 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 3: He looks at it as I can win this. 397 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 4: And the Democrats didn't learn the lesson because they watch MSNBC. 398 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 4: So you would think Chuck Schumer would actually read a poll, 399 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,719 Speaker 4: but that's not what's happening. So where we are is 400 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 4: the Democrats have been given a clean cr They can 401 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 4: just fund the government for another month or two. Everything fine, 402 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 4: we passed the appropriations bills. We're not quite to regular order, 403 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 4: but we're approximating it. So we're in the right direction, 404 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 4: go Speaker Johnson. 405 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 3: And they're turning it. 406 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 4: Down because they will tell you simultaneously, in schizophrenic leftist fashion, 407 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 4: that medicaid for illegal aliens is illegal and that never happens, 408 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 4: and also we're gonna shut down the government to force Donald. 409 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 3: Trump to fund it, and are you. 410 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 4: It's impossible to win that, There is no way, So yes, 411 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 4: Trump is set up on the politics, but he's also 412 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 4: set up on the practical consequences. Because I promise you, 413 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 4: Russ vote our friend who is head of the Office 414 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 4: of Management and Budget and by the way, a good 415 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 4: Southern Baptist guy. I just love him, and he is 416 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 4: Elon Musk's successor leading DOGE. He's had a plan for 417 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 4: how to use a show down like this for five years. 418 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 3: He knows exactly what he's doing. 419 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 4: And so one of the things, but probably far from 420 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 4: the only, is the president gets to deem who is 421 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 4: and is not essential essential workers. Say, he's probably going 422 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 4: to remove just a staggering number of federal workers that 423 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 4: he's going to deem non essential in a way that 424 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 4: no prior president has been willing to try, and then 425 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 4: he's not going to hire him back. So even if 426 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,479 Speaker 4: we fill those positions, it'll be the Trump administration filling 427 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 4: those positions, and we probably won't refill a lot. 428 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 3: Of those positions. 429 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 4: So Schimer and Jefferies are just walking the plank here, 430 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 4: and it's just unfathomable. 431 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,719 Speaker 1: So rud let me just make sure I'm clear about this. 432 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: You're saying that if the president lays off large numbers 433 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: of federal employees on the grounds that they are well 434 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: non essential. That the gnashing of teeth and the whaling 435 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: that will take place in the federal bureaucracy, of course, 436 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: and in the political you know, constituencies in which those 437 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: people reside, notably, you know, in northern Virginia. 438 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 3: You're going to. 439 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: Find that this is net net going to be positive 440 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: for Donald Trump, negative for the Democrats, and not harm 441 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: the American people who have benefit from various services of 442 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 1: the federal government, not just you know, going to national 443 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: parks in then. 444 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 4: Well, Trump is pretty savvy about this stuff. And of 445 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 4: course Obama was also. Obama came in and shut down 446 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,719 Speaker 4: all the national parks and national monuments when when he 447 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 4: had a shut down because you know, he wanted to 448 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 4: inconvenience the tourists and spread disc and and they'd go 449 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 4: home and be mad at the Republicans, and he knew 450 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 4: what he was doing. Trump is looking deeper than that, 451 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 4: but he really doesn't have to look far for the politics. 452 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 4: The politics is simple. They are willing to shut down 453 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 4: the government to fund medicaid for illegal aliens. I mean, 454 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 4: oh my gosh, why not just also give money to 455 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 4: Kilmar and maybe the killer of Irena Zarutzka. Let's just 456 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 4: you know, fund the burning of a city or two. 457 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 4: It's absurd and it can't sell, and the public is 458 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 4: against him on that. 459 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 3: There will be fallout. 460 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 4: It'll be day to day on some of the specific 461 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 4: aspects of the shutdown, but the headline problem just totally 462 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 4: works against them, and they are hostages to their left 463 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 4: wing base. 464 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 3: If they will allow themselves to be put in this. 465 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: Position, well this will be fascinating to watch play out. 466 00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: I have the feeling that the gnashing of teeth piece 467 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: of this, which is going to be dominating the news, 468 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:14,479 Speaker 1: will have some you know, ameliorating effect as far as 469 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: the Democrats are concerned. But overall it does sound to 470 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: me as though it's a loser. You're speaking of burning cities, 471 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: and I did want to turn to that if I 472 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: can with you quickly. 473 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 3: Rod. 474 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: The president is now set. It appears on putting US 475 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: military personnel national guards, specifically in Portland, Oregon, in addition 476 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: to Memphis, Tennessee, and obviously Itham in Washington, d C. 477 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: Till recently there's talk about Chicago and other places. This 478 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: is being predicated in part at least on the fact 479 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: that Antifa, which he has designated a domestic terrorist organization, 480 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: is well toward the places or at least besieging things 481 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: like ice centers of the like. Talk a little bit about, 482 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: first of all, the constitutionality of what he's doing. It's 483 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: being decried as illegal by mayors in these places, democratic places, 484 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: needless to say, and more to the point, the practical 485 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: effect it's likely to have, sir, Well. 486 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 4: They certainly didn't decry it. Well, maybe the old Democrat 487 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 4: segregationists decried it, but you know, the people who are 488 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 4: decrying it now certainly weren't decrying it. When Dwight Eisenhower 489 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 4: sent thee hundred and first Airborne and federalized the Arkansas 490 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 4: National Guard to protect nine black students trying to enter 491 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 4: Central high in nineteen fifty seven. Those troops occupied Little 492 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 4: Rock for eighteen months, and it was completely legal, and 493 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 4: it was legal. Wind Bush did it, and it was legal. 494 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 4: Win Reagan did it, and it was legal. Win Clinton 495 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 4: did it, and it was legal when Obama did it. 496 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 4: And all these people are just lying. So the legalities 497 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 4: are pretty clear. These troops have no police powers per se. 498 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 4: They can detain you, but then they have to wait 499 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 4: for a police officer to come and actually determine whether 500 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 4: there's probable cause for an arrest. Only the police officer 501 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 4: can arrescue. So what you're doing is you're putting a 502 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 4: show of force on the streets. Obviously, if there were 503 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 4: some kind of hideous crime in process, the troops could 504 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 4: do something about that, but they don't have police powers. 505 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 4: So this is just augmenting manpower, and it's forcing local 506 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 4: police to actually do their job, which they haven't done 507 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 4: in some of these cities. 508 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 3: So we've seen. 509 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 4: This work actually incredibly effectively in DC. We've seen it 510 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 4: work very effectively in Memphis. Now we're going to Portland, 511 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 4: which has been held hostage by Antifa for about five 512 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 4: years now, and it's got to end. You'll notice Trump 513 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 4: is not counting on the Portland police here. He's sent 514 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 4: in a ton of federal agents and they are arresting 515 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 4: Antifa right and left all of a sudden. This is 516 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 4: a god send. The Portland has been the nerve center 517 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 4: of their movement for some time. If you actually lock 518 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 4: some of these people up and put them on trial 519 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 4: and actually convict him of the things they're guilty of, 520 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:35,719 Speaker 4: which include Antifa tried to burn down the Mayor of 521 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 4: Portland's apartment complex with him and a couple hundred other 522 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 4: people in it. I mean, these are terrorists. These are 523 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 4: horrible people. And you can understand why the Portland government, 524 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 4: which was already sympathetic to them, doesn't want to buck them. 525 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: Well, they don't want to buck them, I guess because 526 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: they're afraid of them. But on the other hand, they're 527 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: getting torched too. This is crazy. 528 00:31:58,760 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 3: Rod. 529 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: We take a short break, be right back with much 530 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: more with the great Rod Martin. Please stay tuned. We're back, 531 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: and so is Rod Martin. And I wanted to introduce 532 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: our next topic by giving you a little context on 533 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: two things that are happening in the course of the day. Today, 534 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: the day that Secretary of War Pete Hexath chose to 535 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: gather hundreds of generals and admirals in Quantico, Virginia, the 536 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,719 Speaker 1: flag of communist China will fly over our nation's birthplace 537 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. Unfortunately, the whole country may one day be 538 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: flying a China's flag rather than our own if American 539 00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: leaders don't recognize that the Chinese Communist Party is determined 540 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: to destroy the USA, and with ongoing funding from Wall Street, 541 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: it has been inexorably putting into place the capabilities needed 542 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: to accomplish that goal. President Trump says they'll discuss it 543 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: quantico how well the military is doing, but there must 544 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: also be a frank discussion of the need for comprehensive 545 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: and innovative efforts to prepare for a possibly imminent Chinese onslaught, 546 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: likely starting with Fifth Column operations inside America thanks to 547 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: Joe Biden allowing in tens of thousands of People's Liberation 548 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: Army soldiers. Well, Rod, I wanted to get your thoughts 549 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: on two things. One is, as a member of our 550 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: Committee on the President Danger of China, of course you 551 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: have been very, very actively engaged in the debate about 552 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: the Chinese threat and the extent to which it is 553 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: now metastasized to the point where we actually do have, 554 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: by some estimates, one hundred thousand Chinese soldiers inside this country. 555 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: On the one hand, and on the other you've got, 556 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: speaking of democratic mayors, that of Philadelphia running up the 557 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 1: Chinese colors. I think over City Hall today, there's something 558 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: dreadfully wrong with this picture. I'd like to get your 559 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: thoughts on it, any insights you might have about the 560 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: importance of talking about the Chinese threat as a paramount 561 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: agenda item in the meeting today in Quanticom. 562 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 4: Well, we don't know that there are one hundred thousand 563 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 4: Chinese troops in America. 564 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 3: And that's the problem. 565 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 4: We don't know that there aren't and Joe Biden opened 566 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 4: the border. We have roughly ten million people illegally came 567 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 4: across in four years, no vetting, no idea who these 568 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,919 Speaker 4: people are in the middle of COVID. Nobody's screened for COVID. 569 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 4: You have to wear a mask everywhere, you have to 570 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 4: get a vax, all this horrible stuff. You have to 571 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 4: be locked down. But these people can just come and 572 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 4: do anything they want. And that tells you the seriousness 573 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 4: of the Biden administration about COVID. It had very little 574 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 4: do with the disease. And that's our problem. We don't 575 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 4: know who came in. We could have half of Hamas 576 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 4: here and we wouldn't know. We could have Chinese specops 577 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 4: in fifty states and we wouldn't know. And we know 578 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 4: that China has been buying up land near military bases 579 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 4: all over the country, which is horrifying because we just 580 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 4: saw what you can do with that. You know, maybe 581 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 4: your viewers all get it. Most people in America haven't 582 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 4: thought this through. But we just watched Ukraine do something 583 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 4: very similar to that. They smuggled drones into key parts 584 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 4: of Russia and attacked Russian bases in places that they 585 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 4: absolutely don't have any normal range to attack. So the 586 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 4: Chinese are buying up land next door to key military 587 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 4: institutions in the United States, Are you kidding me? And 588 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 4: thankfully we have states like Florida that are passing laws 589 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 4: to eliminate that, and that's all good, but there's a 590 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 4: real problem here. 591 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 3: It's going to take a while to clean it up. 592 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 4: And the fact that anybody would raise the communist Chinese 593 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 4: flag over there over their city just boggles my mind. 594 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 4: This is a regime that has murdered sixty five million people. 595 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 4: This is a regime that carried out the worst purges 596 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 4: of the entire twentieth century, which is saying a lot 597 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 4: in an era of Paul Pott and Joseph Stalin and 598 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 4: Adolf Hitler, and we're we're acting like these people are 599 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 4: our buddies. 600 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: It's insane, Yeah, rud And back of the drone point, 601 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: it's not as though this is just a hypothetical problem. 602 00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: We've had drones overflying military bases as it is, in fact, 603 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: in some of the most sensitive real estate in the country, 604 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: in the area of Newport News and surrounding parts of 605 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: eastern Virginia. I believe it was seventeen days during the 606 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: Biden administration in which unidentified drones were operating every night, 607 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: flying over airfields and naval facilities and the like with impunity. 608 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: So if those any one of those drones it had 609 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, thermal grenade on them, they 610 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: would have created chaos on some of our most sensitive assets. 611 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: So the fact that this is taking place, and by 612 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: the way, you're absolutely right, we don't know exactly how 613 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: many Chinese soldiers are here. We do know that the 614 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: US Customs and Border Patrol processed I believe it was 615 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 1: at least twenty five thousand, mostly men of military age, 616 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: coming in unaccompanied, wearing similar backpacks and the like, moving 617 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 1: in some cases in units of about fifteen people. A 618 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: tell for anybody with a lick of sense that those 619 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 1: are soldiers, and that twenty four thousand, as you said, 620 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: is just a fraction of the total number that came in, 621 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: and that doesn't even take into account that got away. 622 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: So my point is this rod that the United States military, 623 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: I have the feeling is not taking seriously this internal threat. 624 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: And if God forbid, these guys are ordered to light 625 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: this country up. As our friend Gordon Chang talked about 626 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: on this program yesterday, you know, you may well not 627 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: be able to do a darn thing about projecting power 628 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: into the Western Pacific or anyplace else. We're going to 629 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: have our hands full here home again. Should this be 630 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: a very very high priority for our military planners? 631 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,320 Speaker 3: Do you think it absolutely? Should? 632 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 4: It should be just in general, I mean, after four 633 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 4: years of keeping the border almost completely open, and it's 634 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 4: not like it was closed before that. Trump did a 635 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 4: pretty good job in the first turn, but the Democrats 636 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 4: did everything good to obstruct him, and we had eight 637 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,800 Speaker 4: years of Obama where yeah, he actually deported a decent 638 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,240 Speaker 4: number of people, but he let far more in. And 639 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 4: you know, he's doing everything he can to find loopholes 640 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,919 Speaker 4: to let him stay. So this is a very real 641 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 4: security threat. We don't know who's here, we know they're illegal. 642 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 4: We have legal tools to remove them. The Supreme Court 643 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,720 Speaker 4: has been pretty good about backing Donald Trump on using 644 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 4: those tools. And we just got to get it done. 645 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 4: And you know Trump is Trump is also looking I 646 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 4: don't know what. 647 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,839 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry, hold the thought. 648 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: We got to take just short break when we come 649 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: back and want to visit just a bit further on that, 650 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: and we'll pivot to the Middle East. Stay tuned, folks 651 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: for more with Rod Martin. We're back, and so is 652 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 1: Rod Martin. I please to have him with as always, 653 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: but I'm particularly pleased when we have as much to 654 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: cover as we do today. Rod, you were being as usual, 655 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: very very I think, well, I call it free range, 656 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 1: and you're thinking about a lot of things, and in 657 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,439 Speaker 1: particular I wanted to get your update on the Middle East. 658 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: The President, as we've been talking about, broker a deal 659 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,800 Speaker 1: at least with Israel and with a lot of Arab nations. 660 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: As we speak, Hamas has not yet weighed in, and 661 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: there's some indication that they're not happy about the terms 662 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: of this deal. Give us your flavor of whether this 663 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: is going to bring as the President seems to hope 664 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,280 Speaker 1: peace to the Middle East, to say nothing of Gaza itself. 665 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 4: I think it's important to look at what Donald Trump 666 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 4: does and not so much what he says. No, I 667 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,879 Speaker 4: don't imagine Hamas is going to like this deal. They 668 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,359 Speaker 4: may get pressured into it. It is not impossible that 669 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 4: that could happen. But you heard what Trump said it 670 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,840 Speaker 4: was and if you don't take the deal, Israel's going 671 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 4: to finish the job. Okay, that's the plan. That's the 672 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 4: actual plan. And that's what you got right before the 673 00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 4: Iran bombing, you know, before the twelve day war. Trump 674 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 4: is out there, you know, saying I gave them a 675 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 4: sixty day deadline. 676 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 3: Today is day sixty one. How do you like it? 677 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 3: You know? 678 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 4: And here come the Israelis and blow them up for 679 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 4: twelve days, and then we finish it with Fido. And 680 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 4: you know, now we're blowing up TDA drug boats off 681 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 4: of Venezuela. We've actually got the Ewojima off off the 682 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 4: coast there. Your viewers understand what that is. That's that's 683 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 4: an amphibious assault ship. That's a that's a marine expeditionary 684 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,839 Speaker 4: for US sitting right there, and a bunch of other assets. 685 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,320 Speaker 4: So I don't know what Pete hag Seth is talking 686 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 4: about to our generals and admirals today, but I feel 687 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 4: pretty certain that top of the list are the real 688 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:48,240 Speaker 4: danger we're facing from China, which includes internal and certainly 689 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 4: includes domestic terrorism, a lot of which is financed and 690 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:58,879 Speaker 4: possibly directly from foreign enemies. Venezuela, Gaza and Ukraine. And 691 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 4: you know it's the same in Ukraine. He's been saying, Okay, Vladimir, 692 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 4: we can do this the nice way, where we invest 693 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 4: in Russia and we do things to make everybody money 694 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 4: together peacefully, or I'm gonna give Ukraine a ton of 695 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 4: offensive weaponry and I'm gonna shut off your cash. 696 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,959 Speaker 3: Well, the cash is getting shut off. 697 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 4: The Ukrainians have done a fantastic job of blowing up 698 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 4: about seventeen percent of Russia's oil production capacity. The Chinese 699 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,360 Speaker 4: and the Indians are just nuking Russia. They're kind of 700 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 4: raping them. Honestly. They're paying about half of market price 701 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 4: for that oil and they're just they're just you know, 702 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 4: Putin has to take it. He doesn't have anywhere else 703 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 4: to go to market. And you know they are not friends. 704 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 4: Anybody who thinks there's an alliance there needs to pay 705 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 4: attention to how China's treating them. China is acting as 706 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,880 Speaker 4: a neo colonizer. So you know, in all these things. 707 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 4: We have real threat that are about to ramp up 708 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 4: potentially simultaneously, and that's probably while these guys are at Quantico. 709 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 4: But coming back to the Middle East, I think probably 710 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:17,240 Speaker 4: Israel finishes the job, and ultimately you can't let Hamas survive. 711 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 4: I mean, there will always be people in sympathy with Hamas, 712 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 4: just is there are people who are in sympathy with 713 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 4: Adolf Hitler, but you can't let that as an organized 714 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:32,320 Speaker 4: political force continue to exist and expect to ever have peace. 715 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 1: Amen, Well, we will be watching all of this very closely, 716 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,359 Speaker 1: as will you. Rod. We look forward to a further 717 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 1: visit with you. But before we let you go, I 718 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:46,720 Speaker 1: did want to ask you about one thing. I'm preerfel 719 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 1: that Israel finish the job, but I also very prayerful 720 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: that something it calls iron Beam will be very effective 721 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,879 Speaker 1: against well drones, among other things. Tell us a little 722 00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 1: bit about it you've written on recently at Rodmartin dot org. 723 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,960 Speaker 4: Yes, we have a deep dive on the implications of 724 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,400 Speaker 4: Ironbeam up yesterday at Rodmartin dot org. I encourage everybody 725 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,840 Speaker 4: to take a minute to read it. This is extraordinary. 726 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,240 Speaker 4: I mean, we're actually leaping into the star trek age. 727 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,840 Speaker 4: And what's extraordinary about it is it's not experimental. The 728 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,840 Speaker 4: Israelis declared it operational here about a week ago. And 729 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 4: what it does, let's just bottom line it. Everybody knows 730 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 4: what a laser does. You know, and I will just 731 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 4: say up front, you're gonna have to add a lot 732 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 4: of power to it to be able to make it 733 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:42,920 Speaker 4: an offensive weapon or even an effective anti ballistic missile device. 734 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:48,440 Speaker 4: But here's what it does. If you have a Tamir missile, 735 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,760 Speaker 4: which is the backbone of iron Dome, you're spending about 736 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,000 Speaker 4: seventy thousand a shot. If you have an Arrow three 737 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 4: or Patriot Pac three and you're shooting down bigger incoming, 738 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 4: that's about four million a shot. If you shoot off 739 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 4: those lovely anti ballistic missiles we have sitting in Alaska 740 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:13,240 Speaker 4: and California, that's about seventy million dollars a shot. Iron 741 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 4: beam is two dollars a shot. You actually make defense 742 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,400 Speaker 4: orders a magnitude cheaper than offense, and that's a world changer. 743 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 4: So eventually, when you add small modular reactors to this, 744 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 4: when you do some additional things to soup it up, 745 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,919 Speaker 4: you're going to replace most of our offensive weaponry too. 746 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 4: But you've got a real possibility in the relatively near 747 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:45,640 Speaker 4: term of effectively obsoleting nuclear weapons because okay, maybe you 748 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,640 Speaker 4: can put one on a freighter and blow it up 749 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,680 Speaker 4: in Charleston Harbor. I saw a TV show like that 750 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 4: years ago. But you can't actually hit the targets you 751 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,840 Speaker 4: need to hit. You can't sail a freighter to a 752 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,920 Speaker 4: missile field in Wyoming. And if you're depending on suitcase nukes, 753 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 4: that's not gonna be a strategy, and you're gonna have 754 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,360 Speaker 4: to think twice about a launch. You're just gonna get 755 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 4: annihilated if America has a reasonably good chance of shooting 756 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,280 Speaker 4: down most of what you hit us with. And that's 757 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 4: the real implication. Golden Dome, not one point zho but 758 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,600 Speaker 4: two point zero is gonna be heavily laser based, and 759 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,759 Speaker 4: by the time you get to three point zero, it's 760 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,760 Speaker 4: probably gonna be laser dominant on the ground, in the air, 761 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,360 Speaker 4: on ships, and in orbit, and it's just gonna completely 762 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:38,720 Speaker 4: change geopolitics. 763 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 1: It will be fascinating to see this developed rod not 764 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:49,040 Speaker 1: least because of you know, questions involving countermeasures. You know, 765 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,880 Speaker 1: what do the other guys do to try to defeat 766 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:57,719 Speaker 1: those lasers, shielding and the like, but it's measure countermeasure, 767 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 1: as ever in warfare. But this does sound like an 768 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,000 Speaker 1: extraordinary breakthrough for the Israelis, and praise the Lord. Hopefully 769 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 1: it will be very helpful in defending the Jewish state 770 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,920 Speaker 1: and maybe us too. Road We have to leave it 771 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,680 Speaker 1: at that, Thanks for joining us. Come back to us 772 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,279 Speaker 1: again next time, folks, if you will. Until they go 773 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:16,120 Speaker 1: forth and multiply