1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm here with Sarah 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Broadwater and Kyle Olsen, and you all have heard us 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: talk about the battery factory in Michigan. This is something 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: that I think affects the entire country. We know that 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: this battery factory that is coming over from China called 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: Goshen is also in Illinois. Illinois. The only place that 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: they are Michigan and Illinis. 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: They have their headquarters. They say they're beachhead, as I 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: like to say, is in California. 10 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I don't know what. 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: But beach d beach head is like you know, when 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: you're attacking a country. You established a beach. 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 3: Heads in California. 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: So I guess, I guess we should consider them attacking 15 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: the country because big big news out of Washington, d C. 16 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: And I do think this is big news. I know 17 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: Kyle's gonna explain. This was a voice vote, so we 18 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: don't know exactly who voted for it, but the House 19 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: of Representatives passed stay bill that would essentially ban Goshen batteries. 20 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: Specifically Goshen, and I think a couple other Chinese battery factories, 21 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: but Goshen was specifically mentioned in the bill from use 22 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: in the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Defense. 23 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: And to me, that is significant because we have come 24 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: out and what we've been talking about this for two 25 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: years that the battery plant is dangerous because it's associated 26 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: with CCP. But think about what that means for the 27 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: government to be like, Yeah, it's okay for all of 28 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: your tax payer dollars to go into these factories that 29 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: they're bringing into the United States, but we won't use 30 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: their batteries when it's anything sensitive, like do you want 31 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: this battery in your car? I mean, because what's so dangerous? 32 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: It doesn't the bill doesn't say what's dangerous? 33 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: No, So right, so the bill bans DHS Homeland Security 34 00:01:52,960 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: from buying batteries from adversarial countries China, and it's specific 35 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: fickly names Goshen, which is interesting and and it was 36 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,639 Speaker 2: it was passed by a voice vote. And the reason 37 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: to me that that's significant is the alternative is a 38 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: roll call vote where people actually have to put their 39 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: name on a vote. And so this bill did not 40 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: at least there's no recorded nos, so Democrats didn't have 41 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: a chance to vote no again or vote against it. 42 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 2: So I do think that that's important to point out. 43 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: But it's interesting because look how and we've we've talked 44 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 2: about this, but look how far this has come, this 45 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: whole issue to the point where now the Congress is 46 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 2: actually passing bills and not just sort of saying, you know, 47 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 2: vague terms like you know, adversarial countries, but actually naming 48 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: the company and saying that the US government will not 49 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: buy batteries from this specific company. 50 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: I think it's significant because the Midwesterner was the publication 51 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: that said, hey, wait a minute. Even in their bylaws, 52 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: they're saying that they are connected to the Chinese Communist Party. Now, 53 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: in Michigan, we fought this battle and even Republican legislator 54 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: legislators were like, oh, that's crazy, you don't have to 55 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: worry about it. But we understand that this is a 56 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: true threat. And the thing that is bizarre to me, 57 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: even with this debate the other night and what's happening 58 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: with the entire election, is that the Republicans are not 59 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: hammering more on even Christopher Ray, the director of the FBI, 60 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: coming out and saying we are in a red flag 61 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: zone right now, we are under great threat. We have 62 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: this open border, and China is a massive threat too. 63 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: I think that he's said that China is the number 64 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: one threat to the United States. They government clearly believes 65 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: there's some sort of a problem for them to say 66 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: we don't want these in our on our military or 67 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: government equipment. The question I have is, Okay, can we 68 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: delve into that. Are they afraid that these batteries will 69 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: be tracked, afraid that these batteries are containing are recording information? 70 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: Are they afraid that they'll just have control over these 71 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: batteries and they can shut down all of our equipment 72 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: when they want to, or can they detonate these batteries? 73 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: I mean, what is the fear? Well? 74 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: And I think, yeah, I understand not wanting to use 75 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 3: them in defense contracts and things, but also there's a 76 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 3: civilian threat then too. Without knowing what exactly is going on, 77 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 3: and you hear about you know, all of the utilities 78 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 3: that the Chinese companies owns and the technology all of that. 79 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 3: I mean, I think there is a real civilian threat 80 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: that is just as important that we have to think about. 81 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: So I understand and I appreciate that they're focusing on 82 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 3: the one, but I don't know how you can focus 83 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 3: on the one without talking about the broader implications of 84 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: this too. 85 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 2: And if it's dangerous enough that the US military should 86 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: not be using batteries like this, then why is it okay? 87 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 2: Why is it not dangerous for a vehicle or a 88 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: scooter or whatever else uses the battery? Why is that okay? 89 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 3: Or why are they allowed to own land in the 90 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 3: if the Department of Defense specifically calls them out as 91 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 3: a threat. 92 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: And that's to me, that's the great irony here is 93 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: you have you have the Congress, the House passing a 94 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: bill saying that DHS and it's it's actually a separate 95 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: bill for the Department of Defense, but it's the same 96 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: language saying that the federal government will not be, you know, 97 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: purchasing batteries from this company because it's a threat. Yet 98 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: I mean, yes, Michigan taxpayers, Gretchen Whitmer is giving seven 99 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,679 Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen million dollars to this company to build 100 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 2: a plant in the state of Michigan. 101 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: But Illinois was something crazy like six billion. 102 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, they and they were believe we're getting federal subsidies. 103 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: I think it wasn't just state subsidies. 104 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: Payable che Well, you paid a lot of the state 105 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 2: money is coming from the the Inflation Reduction Act as 106 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: they like to call it, and so it is federal money, 107 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: which of course means it is Biden Harris money. So 108 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: for them to now suddenly be concerned about this or 109 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: not wanting or somehow claiming that the federal government isn't 110 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: going to support Goshen, well, that ship is sailed. That's 111 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: already happening. But to me, the great irony here is 112 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 2: that the federal government is recognizing that Goshen is a threat. Well, 113 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: then why in the world won are we allowing? Are 114 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: we giving them tax payer money? But then two, why 115 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 2: are we letting them build a one square mile plant 116 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 2: one hundred miles away from Camp Grayling, which is a 117 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: military base, national Guard base where they are training every 118 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: year annually. They're training Taiwanese forces. Well, why would they 119 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 2: Why would they be doing that. They're training Taiwanese forces 120 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: to repel a Chinese invasion. 121 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: Okay, so remind me I want to go back to 122 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: the Inflation Reduction Act for a second after we talk 123 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: about this, because I think this also kind of plays 124 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: into this. I don't know if I want to nicely, 125 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: but Reuters Today publishes an article out of Moscow, and 126 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: the title of it is Russia says it could combine 127 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: with China if they face a threat, and they say 128 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: if faced with a threat from the United States. To me, 129 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: this is very scary. It says. Putin and g signed 130 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: a no limits partnership deal in twenty two, less than 131 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: three weeks before Putin sent troops into Ukraine in May. 132 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: They agreed to deepen that well what they're calling a 133 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: comprehensive partnership and strategic cooperation for a new era. The 134 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: two countries have not declared a formal military alliance, but 135 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: then Putin last week says they are allies in every 136 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: sense of the word. Now listen, think about this. China 137 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: has the largest navy in the world. China continues to 138 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: move closer to the United States. They continue to have 139 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: these naval ports closer and closer to the United States. 140 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: Russia and China have staged military exercises together. We just 141 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: saw that happen, remember, and to me, it was a 142 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: very telling message that Joe Biden comes out and decides 143 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: to step out of his campaign, and during that address 144 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: to the nation, China and Russia fly together into US 145 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: airspace over in the Alaska airspace. So we're seeing that 146 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: they're doing this, it says, including naval drills that started 147 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: on Tuesdays. So they now are doing naval drills that 148 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: just started un last already guests yesterday or Tuesday of 149 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: this week. Putin is overseeing the launch of maneuvers and 150 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: warned the United States against attempts to outgun Russia by 151 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: building up its military power in the Asia Pacific region. 152 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: So we are being told we're being threatened by these countries. 153 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: Why is this not a bigger deal? And to just 154 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: kind of bring this back to the batteries, Sarah you 155 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: brought up. Could this be a threat to civilians? If 156 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: these batteries are in your car and they actually do 157 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: decide to invade our country and they shut our cars down, 158 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: You're you're trapped, You're sitting ducks. I mean not that 159 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: you're you want to have them in the country anyway, 160 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: but they have a major advantage if they can just 161 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: shut us all down. 162 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 3: It's it's a grid issue. I mean, you think about 163 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 3: your transportation, your cellular communication, your energy supply. If they 164 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 3: are in control of so much of that and they 165 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 3: decide turn of you know, turn of a switch, it's done. 166 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 3: That's I mean, that is a military threat. 167 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: So and the irony. Another irony is that you know, 168 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: Russia is the is the great pariah in American politics, 169 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 2: the boogeyman. And you know, Democrats are constantly accusing Republicans 170 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: and Donald Trump of being you know, agents of Russia 171 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: and all of that. Okay, so now we know that 172 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 2: Russia is allies with China and has this strategic partnership 173 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 2: and and all of that. But yet we are financing 174 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: Chinese companies to grow businesses and plants in Michigan, in 175 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: Illinois and elsewhere. 176 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: How dumb can you get? I mean, and why why 177 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: aren't Republicans just going bananas about this? You know they 178 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: were when this happened with Goshen so many of them 179 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: were like, Oh, what's the big deal, it's business development night, 180 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: or brought Chinese companies in for a business development. We 181 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: have seen over the last ten years since that happened, 182 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: what has gone on with China coming in and buying 183 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: a property and buying a property that even circles or 184 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 1: makes a perfect square around a military base. They buy 185 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: up all the property around. I mean, this is it's 186 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: just a national security issue, and it's something that I 187 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: don't think we're talking enough about. There will always be 188 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: a drive for communism to take over the United States. 189 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: There is going to be a drive. There always has been, 190 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: there always will be. And we are very connected to 191 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: We're way too connected to China with the companies that 192 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: we have in China. China wants to come here. But 193 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: think about the reverse, how connected we are into what's 194 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: happening in China because we have full cities that are 195 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: dedicated to making certain products. I mean, you got your 196 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: iPhone made over there, but you have a military equipment, 197 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: you have all of your pharmaceuticals. We have such a 198 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: heavy reliance on a country that hates us and wants 199 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: to take us down. 200 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 3: Well, earlier in the week, you had posted an interview 201 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 3: clip that you did back during the campaign with a 202 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 3: conservative talk radio station and host, and one of the 203 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 3: things he said in there he was coming after you 204 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 3: about you going after Goshen essentially, and he said something 205 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,239 Speaker 3: along the lines of, well, China is not the CCP. 206 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 3: We're talking about two different things. I'm like, this is 207 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 3: what is. People don't understand they are the same thing. 208 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: There is no China and the CCP it is one. 209 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 210 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,239 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 211 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 2: So you bring up a bigger question, I think. And 212 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: so America is very much entwined with China, and there's 213 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 2: a lot that we bring, we import from China, medicines 214 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: and everything. How do you how do you detangle that? 215 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: How do you decouple from China? Yeah, I mean I 216 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: was I've been mulling this over in my mind. And 217 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: you know, from the business standpoint, obviously, it's not easy 218 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: because if you've developed business there, then you have developed equipment, 219 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: proprietary equipment. It's been run there, it's been tested there, 220 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: you have it all. I mean, many of these companies 221 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: have all of their eggs in the China basket. So 222 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: there's no there's no bringing an iPhone city to the 223 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: United States. You just can't have like hundreds of thousands 224 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: of people trapped in buildings forced to work for you. 225 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: The alternative to that is, as Americans, why would we 226 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: ever accept that a company does this? Because why do 227 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: you choose China? If you are an American company and 228 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: you can tell me we're choosing China because of the 229 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: cheap labor, But then why not go to Central America? 230 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: And I know the reason not to go to Central America, 231 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: and the reason they choose not to is because it 232 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: would take long to develop there, because they don't have 233 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: a communist dictatorship where you're just dealing with one person 234 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: who says, yeah, we'll build it for you overnight. You 235 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: actually have to build up that country. And they have crime. 236 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: China has no crime because they murder you if you 237 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: commit a crime. I mean, they are ruthless. And I 238 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: would argue, and I argued this a couple of nights 239 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: ago at the event that we were at, But I 240 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: would truly argue if you, as Americans, the government should 241 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: look at some of these companies and say, wait a minute, 242 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: are you breaking human rights laws? Are you committing human 243 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: rights violations? Because if you have a campus, which is 244 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: what they call it, but you're actually it's like slave labor. 245 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: You're forcing people to live in these high rises. They 246 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: have to work for you twelve hours a day. They 247 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: can't go home to their families but maybe twice a year, 248 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: and that's for a few days at a time. They 249 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: have to live in there, they have to eat in there, 250 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: they have to eat in the cafeteria. I mean, they 251 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: go from the building to the factory. Why would we 252 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: ever allow a US company to I mean, it's slavery. 253 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: They own people, they own people. How can we possibly 254 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: allow a US company to own people? And if it's 255 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: not even that extreme, if you're looking at it and 256 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: you're saying, well, these people are really treated poorly. They 257 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: don't have the right working conditions. I can remember when 258 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: I was in the foundry industry, we had people that 259 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: went over there and they took videos of what they 260 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: were doing. The pollution was horrendous. That alone you would 261 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: get you would be shut down in the United States. 262 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: So why should you be allowed, if you are a 263 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: United States company to go to another country and commit 264 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: the same environmental crisis, the same environmental disaster. They were 265 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: also completely unsafe and there was no regard for human life. 266 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: These people would go in and my dad would say, 267 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: I mean, they're in the equivalent of a diaper and sandals, 268 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: walking around with shards of metal and pouring molten metal. 269 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: It's insane. There were no standards. I think that has 270 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: changed a little bit, but I guarantee you there are 271 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: places where it's still happening, and this is who we're 272 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: relying on, and we're relying on it for even our 273 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: military equipment. If you want to get machinery, a part 274 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: of your military equipment, a part of your humbye, a 275 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: part of your vehicle could potentially be being made by 276 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: your adversary. It makes absolutely no sense. But who is 277 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: the oversight here, who is making sure that we are 278 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: not fully embedded in China? And then you talk about decoupling, Well, 279 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: what does that look like? How do you go to 280 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: American companies and say you have to start to move 281 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: your business, you have to start to expand. But honestly, 282 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: if you did, if you took just a small percentage 283 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: of the businesses in China and you started to say, 284 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: we're going to invest in Central America, which is what 285 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: China has told them. They've lied to them, they gave 286 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: them all these promises, and then they have this imbalanced 287 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: trade agreement. China is sucking the life out of Central 288 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: America right now. But if they can, then they eventually 289 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: own Central America. Why not instead, why aren't we trying 290 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: to build up there so we don't have this border crisis? 291 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 3: Well, and it's not something that will happen in years, 292 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 3: it will be decades. And I think that's where I 293 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 3: talk about China has one hundred year plan, America does 294 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 3: need long term strategic planning on this. I mean the 295 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 3: company that I worked for previously, we had a fifteen 296 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 3: and a twenty year plan on how do we bring 297 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 3: plants from China over to Honduras or areas like that, 298 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 3: partly because the shipping was getting so expensive and so 299 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 3: if there was a way to at least cut down 300 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 3: that and the lead times of things. I think after COVID, 301 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: a lot of companies learned that the lead time if 302 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 3: you have a backward around a product goes from three 303 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 3: to four weeks all the way up to upwards of 304 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 3: fifteen weeks. You're going to have unhappy customers at the 305 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 3: end of the day. So what is the incentive to 306 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 3: your point of, how do we use the government to 307 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 3: strategically pick what industries are critically important to us, the 308 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 3: pharmaceutical industry, whatever it is, and start to offer tax 309 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 3: incentives for them, or to offer incentives for them to 310 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 3: build in friendly countries so that in ten years from 311 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 3: now at least we are set up so that we 312 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 3: have some sort of safety net there and then hopefully 313 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 3: as time goes on that gets more and more less, 314 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 3: we get less reliant on them. But it's not going 315 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 3: to happen in a year. And I think that's what 316 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 3: people when we say we want to decouple from China, 317 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 3: people are like, well, it's not going to happen. Ever, well, 318 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 3: it will, but it does take long term planning. 319 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: I think that we believe America runs on eight year cycles, 320 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: and that's just not true. I mean, people can complain 321 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: about term limits and Congress people can be there for 322 00:17:54,600 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: too long, but there is another branch of government that 323 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: is there that can be looking at these issues. But 324 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: also I think people get confused when you say America first, 325 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: they think, well, if you're then saying you're going to 326 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: bring everything from China back to the United States, which 327 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: is not possible, and that industry in many cases, industries 328 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: are certain industries are lost, and that is my fear 329 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: with farms, but that was essentially what happened with steel founders. 330 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: We have very few left. There's not an expertise. Nobody 331 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: wants to build one here because it's hard. It's hard 332 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: work and Americans don't want to do that work. And 333 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: people can argue with me that that's not true, but 334 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: it is true. I mean, that's what we talked to 335 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: governors stick from Oklahoma about the other day. He was saying, 336 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,479 Speaker 1: we can't get certain industries in. We're trying to do 337 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: state visas and take some of that immigration back into 338 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: the state's hands so that we can get nurses, so 339 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: we can get these people we desperately need. Because if 340 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,239 Speaker 1: you're the governor of a state and you don't have 341 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: the people you need, you are in trouble. You have 342 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: to figure out another way. But I do believe that 343 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: that means America first, can just mean not being in 344 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: an adversarial not being in a country that wants to 345 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: take you over. 346 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 3: We talk a lot about the bureaucracy, and I think, 347 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 3: you know, I have a lot of thoughts obviously on 348 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 3: the bureocracy. It's totally bloated, and I think they have 349 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 3: motives that are in some ways not pursuing what America 350 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 3: should be pursuing. But there is a role for a 351 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 3: slimmer level of bureaucracy to be working on long term 352 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 3: things like this, and I think that gets lost a 353 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 3: lot of times in the conversation of like, we don't 354 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 3: want any career employees anything like that. I think there's 355 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 3: a role for it, but it needs to be very 356 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 3: strategic about what is its purpose for the future of 357 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 3: the country. 358 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I thought I've had about these sorts of 359 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 2: if you view business, some of these different businesses through 360 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 2: a national security lens, and if we are I mean 361 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 2: you take EV's for example, if we are going to 362 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 2: be shifting to evs because the government's telling us that's 363 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 2: what we have to do, well, eighty to ninety percent 364 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: of the components of the car are coming from a 365 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 2: country that doesn't like us and would rather have us 366 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 2: not exist, and so they are then able to gain 367 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: an advantage over the US because they control the pieces 368 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 2: and the components. And so I mean just and I 369 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 2: let me preface this by saying, I think actually we 370 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 2: should be looking at hydrogen and not batteries. But that 371 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: being said, an alternative, I think, instead of giving a 372 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: company like Goshen hundreds of millions of dollars to come 373 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 2: into the country and build a plant, why doesn't And 374 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 2: again I'm not a proponent of this, I'm just saying, 375 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 2: if this is the mindset of the government, why doesn't 376 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 2: the mind why doesn't the government create some sort of 377 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: like a a major prize for a company that creates 378 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: a battery that actually lasts and is not highly toxic 379 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 2: and is not you know, having components that are coming 380 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 2: from an adversarial country. Why don't they invest in that 381 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 2: sort of thing versus just what I would call like 382 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 2: what people at Gretchen Whitmer do, is they she's throwing 383 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of dollars at a company for a 384 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 2: press release to say that she's out creating jobs even 385 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,239 Speaker 2: though she's not creating jobs and actually there's not been 386 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 2: a single job created with Goshen, and she announced that 387 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 2: two years ago. 388 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 3: She gets the headline, and then people forget when the 389 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 3: job's never come. 390 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: But also these are people who don't understand manufacturing. The 391 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: Gretchen Wimers, the Kamala harris Is, the Jocelyn Benson's of 392 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: the world, who are all saying over saving the world. 393 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: They are just trying to get votes. This is all 394 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: about these young groups who are out there saying like 395 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: this is the answer, and we've got to go with 396 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: it right now. Hey, look, I think there's very few 397 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: people out there that aren't saying we can always improve. 398 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: We can always get better. I believe in that too. 399 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: So you can't put the car before the horse. And 400 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: there's just I mean, just like you said about China, 401 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: you can't bring it all back overnight. You don't have 402 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: the infrastructure for this. You cannot just speak a word. 403 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: You're not God, you don't speak it, and it happens, okay, 404 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: like the government thinks you speak and then everything changes. 405 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: You cannot demand these companies make ev vehicles, and in 406 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: some case, I think California is like by twenty thirty 407 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: or something, everything has to be ev There is no infrastructure. 408 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: It is impossible. You cannot force people to take their 409 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: bicycles places because there's no place to charge their vehicles. 410 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: It's just it's irrational. But it's also people who have 411 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: no idea what they're talking about. But actually, I want 412 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: to pivot back to the Inflation Reduction Act because part 413 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: of that was supposed to be that they were going 414 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: to put this infrastructure in. Let's take a quick commercial break. 415 00:22:54,440 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: We'll continue next on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. One of 416 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: the things that we kept tearing during the pandemic was 417 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: we've got to get high powered internet. That's got to 418 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: go to the upper Peninsula of Michigan, Northern Michigan, Detroit, 419 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: where these kids couldn't get onto the internet. They were 420 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: going to put high speed internet in these areas that 421 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: were underserved for high speed internet, and they got and 422 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: Michigan got all this money from the Inflation Reduction Act. 423 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: So my question is, how do we monitor where that 424 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: money goes. Who is actually saying, oh, this is the 425 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: breakdown of what we got from the Inflation Reduction Act 426 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: and how it's going to go toward the infrastructure part 427 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: is going to go toward infrastructure because this has nothing 428 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: to do with inflation. And I asked that question because 429 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: my neighborhood got fiber internet over the summer. We have 430 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: no issues connecting. I mean, hey, that's great. We have 431 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: really fast internet now yay, But we had internet. This 432 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: was supposed to go to people who have no internet. 433 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: This is supposed to go to rural areas that were 434 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: desperate for internet. So did she just bring in this 435 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: money and buy people's votes by I mean, because people 436 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: in my neighborhood are like, oh my gosh, this is amazing. 437 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: We have the fastest internet. And I'm like, but you 438 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: understand that a government contract went to Frontier. They got 439 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: to come in and put internet into a very easy 440 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: neighborhood to put internet into, and a massive amount of 441 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: home So I'm sure it. 442 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: Was already had it right right. 443 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: So I'm sure it was a high cost house to 444 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: house to house. They probably got money for every house 445 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: and it you know, where it's hard to put internet 446 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: in the up where there are houses that are miles apart. 447 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 3: Did they get anything where there are parents? When I 448 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 3: worked in state government Indiana, there were parents and ural 449 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 3: parts of Indiana that their mom would get off, get 450 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 3: them off, like get off of work, get them from school, 451 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 3: drive them to McDonald's or whatever the local restaurant was 452 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 3: in town, because that's what had Wi fi. Sit there 453 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 3: for hours until all of their kids finished their homework. 454 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 3: Because everything now there's no like paper homework anymore. It's 455 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 3: all done on a laptop or an iPad. Sit there, 456 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 3: do their homework with them, and then go home for 457 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 3: the day. And that was the routine. If there was 458 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 3: a power outage, if there was anything, I mean, you're screwed. 459 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 3: But that's not who Gretchen Whitmer or Democrats in general 460 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 3: helping with this. That's who they should be trying to 461 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 3: get access to. 462 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 2: I went to I shop at Walmart. And I went 463 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 2: to Walmart the other night and it was in a 464 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 2: suburban Walmart, and there was a guy standing outside, you know, 465 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 2: like when the where the bell ringers stand before Christmas. 466 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 2: There was a guy standing out there and he had 467 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 2: a little podium and it said, it said, ask me 468 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 2: about how to get fiber Internet. And I thought that 469 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: these people shopping at the Walmart in this particular part 470 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 2: of America, they have access to internet. They and I 471 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 2: would make the argument, most people don't need fiber is 472 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: it nice? Sure do you need that? No? So where 473 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: exactly are these dollars going? And I, like you said, 474 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 2: I thought the point was to get Internet to people 475 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 2: that don't have access to it, not people that have 476 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 2: access to good Internet, And you want to give them 477 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 2: super fast. 478 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 3: Internet looks even faster? 479 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, So you do you trust the people that throw 480 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: all of this money around because it's all our money, 481 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: all the money that came from Washington d C. It's 482 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: all our money, the money that was given away by 483 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: the state, it's all our money. These people are making 484 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: decisions and it sounds great because if I'm sitting here 485 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: thinking about the mom who has to go to Starbucks 486 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: or the mom who has to drive to the local 487 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: internet cafe. And I know that people are like those 488 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: don't exist anymore. There are places where people go when 489 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: you are in a rural area and you don't have internet. 490 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: Did those people get internet or did they get screwed 491 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: by these people who said I'm gonna put it in 492 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: the easiest spot because they're handing off government contracts. I mean, 493 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: look at Whitmer's State of the State. Generally you don't 494 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: have the number of guests that she had at the 495 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: State of the State, but she gave away one point 496 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: five billion dollars for housing. She's going to build housing, 497 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: And all the construction guys were at the front, Republicans 498 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: and Democrats, all of them at the front of the 499 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: State of State listening, and I'm like, who owns the housing? 500 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: Everybody goes, Oh, they're going to have this housing. What 501 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: the state's building? What kind of housing? Did they go 502 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: to like the local neighborhood and pick up model homes 503 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: or is it just like high rises everywhere? And is 504 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: it all rental? And if it's rental, in the state 505 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: owns it? Where are they do they have to pay 506 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: the state? Does the state own land? 507 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 2: Now? 508 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: I don't want the government and in charge of house 509 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: it to make sure that it stays a nice community, 510 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: right exactly what just happened. Nobody asks those questions, And 511 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: that makes me mad at the debate too, because she's like, 512 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to provide housing. How that has never been 513 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: what we do? I mean, why aren't you providing Why 514 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: aren't you bringing businesses here? And then people have to 515 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: build their own housing, and they have the money to 516 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: build their own housing, and maybe you reduce all of 517 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: these taxes that you're charging people, but they'd rather take 518 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: They don't want you in charge of your own money. 519 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: The reason they can't reduce taxes and they find ways. 520 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: I mean, does Whitmer need to take one point five 521 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: billion to build housing or would it be better to 522 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: give people back their money, which she could have done 523 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: with the income tax reduction that she chose to skirt 524 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: and not give back to the people. So instead she 525 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,959 Speaker 1: thinks she knows better how to spend your money. Are 526 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: you sick and tired yet of politicians telling you we 527 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: can spend your money better than you. 528 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 2: That's not unique to Michigan. I mean that happens right everywhere, 529 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 2: and it's the philosophy I mean, Tim Walls is the 530 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 2: same way that their philosophy is. They know how to 531 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: spend your dollars, your money better than you. They know 532 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 2: how to make decisions about your health better than you, 533 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 2: which is why they wanted vaccine mandates and mass mandates 534 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: and you know, and yes, and you know, turning neighbor 535 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 2: against neighbor and all of that, because that's their philosophy. 536 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, they want to take them They want to be 537 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: in charge of everything. They want you to be totally 538 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: reliant on government. They love to tell you that you 539 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: are oppressed and you have an oppressor and they're freeing 540 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: you from that by taking your money and showing you 541 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: how to spend it. And ultimately, if they take your money, 542 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: they're taking your oppressor's money, and you're all going to 543 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: be happy together. I mean, it's just this is the 544 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: state of the nation today, and these are the things 545 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: that I really wish that I would hear people fighting 546 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: back on, but we are not hearing that yet. That's 547 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: why you come here so that you can hear Sarah 548 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: and Kyle and me complain about it. 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