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Speaker 1: So my first job in Las Vegas was for a

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Speaker 4: not I am not into censoring basically anything, and I

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Speaker 4: am not talking about oh that opinion is out.

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Speaker 2: Of the what do you call that?

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Speaker 4: The area of like accepted debate, I forget, you know,

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Speaker 4: but there's like a fancy word for it that I

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Speaker 4: was gonna use. But instead of thinking of a fancy

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Speaker 4: word now I can't even think of It doesn't matter regardless,

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying anything should be forbidden. What I do

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Speaker 4: feel about strongly is unless we are going to have

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Speaker 4: labels like mandated, which we're not going to on like

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Speaker 4: the differen between actual fact and opinion, then we need

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Speaker 4: to help people who are not trained in the media

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Speaker 4: to be able to differentiate what is fact and opinion.

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Speaker 1: I think that's idealistic. I think people knowingly, stubbornly are

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Speaker 1: just going to believe what they want to believe. And

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Speaker 1: I think we have those people in our family. I

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Speaker 1: don't think some people are not coachable, some people don't

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Speaker 1: want to learn, you know, conspiracy theories. Psychologists have found

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Speaker 1: what conspiracy theories are. People want more predictability in life.

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Speaker 1: People are more comfortable with predictability, and as life changes,

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Speaker 1: and it's really changing in our lives over the last

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Speaker 1: twenty years, with is much more fluid and changing. People

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Speaker 1: are seeking dependable and comfort and conspiracy theories rationalize and

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Speaker 1: give them a foundation that they're comfortable with even at

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Speaker 1: they're complete bs. So psychologists who have studied conspiracy theories,

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Speaker 1: these are often people that are dealing with some anxiety,

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Speaker 1: some life changes, they don't love, and they want to

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Speaker 1: find things that stabilize their life. That's why make America

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Speaker 1: great again. Basically, he's saying, you're uncomfortable, Let's go back

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Speaker 1: to when you were comfortable. And I think that's a

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Speaker 1: lot of what conspiracy theories are. Some have proven to

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Speaker 1: be true, but they're people trying to find comfort and predictability.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to make a story up that makes

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Speaker 1: me less anxious.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and no, that's I mean, you're right, but I

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Speaker 4: still I still wish that. And I am hopeful that

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Speaker 4: as the world changes and the media changes and what

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Speaker 4: we have access to change, that people become better at

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Speaker 4: naturally differentiating obvious bullshit from fact. And maybe I'm like.

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Speaker 1: I I'm not hopeful for that.

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Speaker 4: You think so, well, then I I don't know then

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Speaker 4: that that to me is worth Like I again that

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Speaker 4: I've said this to you years ago, but I'll say it.

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Speaker 4: I'll say it again because you now, I try not

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Speaker 4: to be a jealous person. I think it's important to

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Speaker 4: not have like it's listen, I'm incredibly lucky and whatever.

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Speaker 4: But there are a few things that I'm jealous of,

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Speaker 4: and one of them is that you have been on

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Speaker 4: Bill Maher's show. Because for a long time, that specific

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Speaker 4: show is like a bucket list thing. Uh and this,

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Speaker 4: so I say this with that prefacing it. But when

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Speaker 4: I loved that show the most, it would be a

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Speaker 4: debate about.

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Speaker 2: What to do.

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Speaker 4: We all agreed about what happened or what is going on,

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Speaker 4: and then you would have Ann Coulter and James Carville

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Speaker 4: yelling at each other about the solutions. And I found

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Speaker 4: that incredibly captivating and I liked that it didn't I

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Speaker 4: mean Mars obviously at least an end name, you know, progressive,

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Speaker 4: but he brought on everybody. I loved it. I find

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Speaker 4: a lot of those shows now very difficult to enjoy

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Speaker 4: because the debate about what to do has a hard

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Speaker 4: time getting off the ground because everyone's fucking arguing about

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Speaker 4: what happened? People are you know what I mean? The

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Speaker 4: and it is that part to me is not sustainable.

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Speaker 4: It is it. And so you I told you this

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Speaker 4: five years ago that you know, I always thought I

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Speaker 4: will do sports for as long as it takes because

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Speaker 4: I love it, until I am a big enough name

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Speaker 4: and have enough financial security to go do something. In politics,

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Speaker 4: as I mentioned before, from a union family, I have real,

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Speaker 4: you know, strong beliefs on certain things, and I have

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Speaker 4: lost some of the passion for that. And in part

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Speaker 4: it is because the arguments don't seem to anymore be

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Speaker 4: about what needs to be done, and instead they are

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Speaker 4: about what actually happened, I mean, and that is problematic,

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Speaker 4: like the if I just to finish my thought, I'm

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Speaker 4: sorry if in sports, if on today's TV show when

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Speaker 4: we were talking about if the Cowboys are screwing up

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Speaker 4: by not having signed CD Micah or Dak someone on

513
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Speaker 4: the desk was like, how can you you say they

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Speaker 4: screwed up when they won the Super Bowl? And I'm like, huh.

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Speaker 4: They're like, no, they won the Super Bowl. I'm like, no,

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Speaker 4: they didn't. The Chiefs did. It's like, no, the Cowboys

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Speaker 4: won the Super Bowl. That's an awful debate. It's like

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Speaker 4: it's like and that's what so much of politics has

519
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Speaker 4: become is we're just like, we can't agree on a

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Speaker 4: set of facts to then discuss what the best move is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean there's a big chunk of Americans that

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Speaker 1: believe the insurrection on January sixth was just a County

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Speaker 1: Fair fireworks show that went a little sideways. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's not That's not what happened when I turned it on.

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Speaker 1: That's not what happened your tribal. You have a president

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Speaker 1: you like now a former president. Yeah. But Keanu Reeves

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Speaker 1: said something recently. I just I'm not again, I avoid needy,

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Speaker 1: I'm mute, crazy, I just stay out of it.

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Speaker 4: The Reeves thing where he said if someone says one

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Speaker 4: plus one equals five, I say, good for you.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm the same one. It's like, you haven't

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Speaker 1: earned my time, and so you argue amongst yourselves. But

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Speaker 1: I'm an to point in my life, I don't need

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Speaker 1: that opinion. It's not warranted. It hasn't earned my time,

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Speaker 1: and so I don't get frustrated by it. And so

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Speaker 1: I have enough people in my life that I just don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to have a great life. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to argue with people who think January sixth, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was a couple of sparklers that caught fire to

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Speaker 1: a newspaper.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, so and that, but that one is, yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy.

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Speaker 4: That one is a scary one for me in this

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Speaker 4: regard because it was not long ago and the whole

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Speaker 4: country watched it on TV. You don't like that. So

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Speaker 4: that one, that's one of those things where I'm like, man,

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Speaker 4: it's like.

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Speaker 1: You know when this happened the first time Bobby Knight

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Speaker 1: grabs a player and they find film with it, buy

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Speaker 1: the neck at practice And I worked with a guy

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Speaker 1: who was a Bobby Knight fan and said, big deal.

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Speaker 1: And I said, and he got mad at me. I

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Speaker 1: said on the air, what if it was your son?

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Speaker 1: Can I go grab your son like that? No? Oh,

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Speaker 1: I said, And it really hit me. People were foreign

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Speaker 1: against Bobby Knight. It was polarizing. There was video of

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Speaker 1: him grabbing a player's at Patrick Reid or something.

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Speaker 5: I think, is I forget the yeah, I remember, of course, yeah,

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Speaker 5: And people defended Bobby Knight, and it was the first

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Speaker 5: time I thought, we've got video, we have video of

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Speaker 5: an inappropriate act.

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Speaker 1: And so I think it's always existed, but the people

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Speaker 1: on the wrong side of things have more amplification for

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Speaker 1: their opinions. But there was always a crazy town side.

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Speaker 1: There's always been a crazy part of town. So there's

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Speaker 1: parts of town in every city it's a little crazy,

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Speaker 1: and those people just have a microphone.

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Speaker 4: I think there are a lot of things that are

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Speaker 4: better than they used to be, and I think there's

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Speaker 4: too much doom and gloom. I agree with that general sentiment.

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Speaker 4: One place where I do feel like we are not

572
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Speaker 4: trending positively is I'm actually okay with sports fans blindly

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Speaker 4: loyally being like that's my team. I support them, Like

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean? You fired the coach. You

575
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Speaker 4: must have been an idiot. You didn't go for it

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Speaker 4: on fourth down. Like I'm a fan of Auburn football,

577
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Speaker 4: and damn it, what they do is right. That's part

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Speaker 4: of kind of the charm of sports fandom. It's not

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Speaker 4: how I operate as a sports fan, but I get it.

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Speaker 4: But supporting either politicians or political parties like they're your

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Speaker 4: sports team is dangerous. And not being able to say

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Speaker 4: I disagree with my team on this one is walks

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Speaker 4: us down a crummy pat Listen, I am. I am

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Speaker 4: about as liberal as a guy as you're gonna meet.

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Speaker 4: And Maine the mainstream and there are things either because

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Speaker 4: they are not liberal enough or too liberal for my

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Speaker 4: liking that the Democratic Party does that I'm like, disagree

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Speaker 4: with it. But I think that has become very difficult

589
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Speaker 4: for people because there has become so much sometimes deserved

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Speaker 4: animosity for the other side that it's less about do

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Speaker 4: I agree with my side and more about I want

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Speaker 4: the other side to be miserable. Like I think there

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Speaker 4: are a lot of people who are planning to vote

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Speaker 4: for Trump that find him objectionable but hate what they

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Speaker 4: think Liberals are so much that they're like, I want

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Speaker 4: them in pain, and so I'm going to deal with it.

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Speaker 4: And I think that is a dangerous road to walk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I one of the things Bill marsh says,

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Speaker 1: and I believe it if you've listened to me for

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Speaker 1: thirty years on the air, I don't believe I've ever changed.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm socially left, fiscally moderate conservative. I don't

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Speaker 1: think I've ever changed. I'd vote for either side. I

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Speaker 1: tend to vote more Democrat than conservative. And some of

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Speaker 1: that is the conservative candidates over twenty years have gotten

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Speaker 1: weaker and weaker. And that is not to say all

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Speaker 1: the Democratic candidates have been, you know, great I think.

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Speaker 4: I think the best I think that we are in

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Speaker 4: the listen, I am more pro Biden than most. I

609
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Speaker 4: also think it is there are very very very few

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Speaker 4: jobs in America. And I understand you're not supposed to

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Speaker 4: say this, but it's just true that there are very

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Speaker 4: few high level jobs that you'd say my top choice

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Speaker 4: of a field of ten thousand is likely to be

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Speaker 4: someone who was born in the forties. I think that's unlikely.

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Speaker 4: It just just is. But in my opinion, I don't

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Speaker 4: think that the Democratic Party, while the candidates have not

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Speaker 4: always been excellent, I don't think it's general tenants have

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Speaker 4: shifted much in my lifetime. I think that they have

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Speaker 4: gone a little bit to the left, but not dramatically.

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Speaker 4: While right now, the two Republican presidents of my childhood,

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Speaker 4: Ronald Reagan and George Bush's father, would be run out

622
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Speaker 4: of this Republican Party on a rail ques Ronald Reagan

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Speaker 4: talking about We're a country for all people and all

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Speaker 4: these things, the thing George H. W. Bush with the

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Speaker 4: things he believed in, and again I don't think those

626
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Speaker 4: were great presidents at all, but the idea that they

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Speaker 4: could get on a stage with Stefanic the lady from

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Speaker 4: Long Island and Donald Trump and that the clown from

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Speaker 4: Texas that is always repping for him, not even Ted Cruz,

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Speaker 4: the other one. Those guys would be like, you, pansy,

631
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Speaker 4: what are you a dare Rhino? They and so I

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Speaker 4: just I think it's gotten. I think we've And that

633
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Speaker 4: was in short order because Mitt Romney was not that Mitt,

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Speaker 4: I mean was Mitt Romney was just he just wanted

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Speaker 4: to be Ronald Reagan. Everything he did he wanted to

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Speaker 4: be Ronald Reagan. He was like Ronald Reagan. Everybody loves him.

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Speaker 4: He kind of looked like me, can I be Ronald Reagan?

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Speaker 4: America was like, no, you can't. Sorry, But that was

639
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Speaker 4: not that long ago. And now, in my opinion, we've

640
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Speaker 4: lost the plot entirely. Sorry to be super objectively political,

641
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Speaker 4: but it's it's you know, we're six months from an election,

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Speaker 4: and I don't know how this thing's gonna go.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps not well, ordering one, perhaps not well, buddy, perhaps

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Speaker 1: not well.

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Speaker 4: And I don't own seven houses throughout the world. I'm

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Speaker 4: just here. I still gotta I gotta, I gotta figure

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Speaker 4: it out. Perhaps not well, We'll see. I don't know, man,

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Speaker 4: God bless, Sorry you by the way, feel free to

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Speaker 4: addit this out.

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Speaker 2: Or leave it in, whatever you want to do.

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Speaker 1: I like our political stuff today more than sports. I'm

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Speaker 1: good with it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, whatever you want. Good to see it.

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