Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to the Therapy Gecko podcast, or
Speaker 1: welcome for the first time if you're listening for the
Speaker 1: first time. This is a gek irl episode, meaning that
Speaker 1: I'm actually not alone in a dark room talking to
Speaker 1: other people alone in a dark room. I am in
Speaker 1: the center of one of the busiest parks in one
Speaker 1: of the busiest places in the world, New York City,
Speaker 1: Washington Square Park. There's a lot of people around me.
Speaker 1: It's the evening time, it's a Friday night. I had
Speaker 1: no other plans. I can't think of anything I would
Speaker 1: rather be doing than right now than being here doing
Speaker 1: this EI. There's nothing. What am I gonna do? I
Speaker 1: go to a bar, talk to I'll talk to way
Speaker 1: more people doing this than I would if I went
Speaker 1: to the club. If I went to the club, the
Speaker 1: amount of people I would interact with would be Maybe
Speaker 1: I would maybe I'd be lucky if I talked to
Speaker 1: one other person besides either myself if I went alone,
Speaker 1: or a friend. If I went with a friend. This
Speaker 1: if I want this, This is the most social evening
Speaker 1: I could realistically have for myself in New York City.
Speaker 1: So these are so for me. It's a solid Friday
Speaker 1: night plan. Uh, we're gonna talk to some people. Normally
Speaker 1: I just take phone calls, but today I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: you know. So we're gonna try to do this once
Speaker 1: a week to a weekly Gecko I r L episode,
Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk to some people. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that want to talk. I'm not gonna get
Speaker 1: to talk to all of them. I'll get to talk
Speaker 1: to a few of them, and we're gonna be happy
Speaker 1: with the ones that we did get to talk to,
Speaker 1: and we're not gonna get hung up with the ones
Speaker 1: we didn't get to talk to.
Speaker 2: That's life for you. Okay, all right, let's talk to
Speaker 2: some people. How's it going man? What's your name?
Speaker 3: My name is Jay Jay. Nice to meet you, Jay.
Speaker 3: What's going on, Jay? How's life? You know what? It's okay,
Speaker 3: it's okay for the most part. Yeah. I just got
Speaker 3: here like this is day, like seventeen in New York.
Speaker 3: Oh from where are you moving from? I came from Atlanta?
Speaker 3: Oh cool? I love Atlanta. Yeah, you know, it's a
Speaker 3: beautiful city.
Speaker 4: You know, I've got I've got mixed feelings about New
Speaker 4: York so far.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, why'd you come here school? Oh why am
Speaker 3: are you all right?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I was over at at Scatt doing film Yeah,
Speaker 4: I know scad. Yeah, so this is like the I
Speaker 4: kind of threw Nyu out as like a hail Mary
Speaker 4: and you know, and I was like, oh shit, I
Speaker 4: actually got in.
Speaker 3: So are you at Tish the film school? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know it was what Okay, I really got to know.
Speaker 1: So I went to film school. I went to Temple
Speaker 1: University for film school. Graduated like five years ago something
Speaker 1: like that, and it was absolutely uh. I mean it
Speaker 1: was like the curriculum, it's so the experience I had
Speaker 1: at college was great.
Speaker 2: I got to meet a lot of people, I got
Speaker 2: to do a lot of stuff. I had a nice experience.
Speaker 1: But the actual curriculum, they don't really teach you how
Speaker 1: to do anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is films?
Speaker 1: I mean film school is so outdated down Is that correct?
Speaker 3: Is that right? I'm kind of hearing that.
Speaker 4: Like I think that most of what you get at
Speaker 4: a film school is like connections and you know, meeting
Speaker 4: like you know, people around you that will help you
Speaker 4: out or whatever. But like I feel like with most stuff,
Speaker 4: you get like one class on it and it's like, hey,
Speaker 4: here's lighting.
Speaker 3: That's it, you know, and then we're not We're not
Speaker 3: touching that again.
Speaker 1: Right, So what's uh what's your like, dream man?
Speaker 3: What do you want out of life? Uh? Oh?
Speaker 4: I want to be in my crib just writing scripts
Speaker 4: whenever I want, and then like to have enough money
Speaker 4: so I could like day drink yeah, like a cashmir sweater,
Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, and then like after like a year
Speaker 4: of like being like a hermit or whatever, yeah, I'll
Speaker 4: come out and I'll be like, Okay, I'm gonna shoot.
Speaker 3: This film now.
Speaker 1: If you can get drunk at one pm on a
Speaker 1: Tuesday and no one's mad at you, I think that's
Speaker 1: a wonderful financial goal to have, right.
Speaker 4: I think that that is like and I need to
Speaker 4: be able to like go and like smoke with my
Speaker 4: friends at like twenty twenty five, and it'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, we're we're creatives and we're together and we're
Speaker 4: thinking and.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, wait, you need to be able to
Speaker 1: go and smoke with friends at twenty twenty five, like
Speaker 1: the ages.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and not be like, oh, like what are
Speaker 4: you guys doing with your lives?
Speaker 3: But it's like, oh, we're decompressing, you know. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: have been thinking about that.
Speaker 1: This is a topic I've talked to to death on
Speaker 1: this podcast with like We Eat and STEPD. But wait,
Speaker 1: I always like that was a fantasy I always had
Speaker 1: to especially when I was in high school. Yeah, was
Speaker 1: like I loved the idea that I could get really
Speaker 1: high and then work on something creative. And I realized
Speaker 1: that here's the problem with that. I guess that I
Speaker 1: found out is the fantasy of getting really high. At
Speaker 1: The fantasy is that you get high, and that getting
Speaker 1: high allows your brain.
Speaker 3: To effortlessly just produce. It's ever worked, right, and it
Speaker 3: never works.
Speaker 1: No, And that's not because what Because here's the reality
Speaker 1: I want to face is that making stuff is actually
Speaker 1: a lot of fucking work.
Speaker 3: Dude. Yeah, it's a lot of work.
Speaker 1: And some people are good at like getting really high
Speaker 1: and it makes them more creative. And I've come up
Speaker 1: with I've come up with good ideas right while I
Speaker 1: was stone, But I've.
Speaker 3: Never a consistent like an end all be all.
Speaker 1: Getting high, Uh, to come up with ideas is one thing,
Speaker 1: but you should I don't think. I don't believe in
Speaker 1: getting high to execute ideas work. No, it's not a
Speaker 1: good way to execute it. I've always and you know
Speaker 1: what's funny is I've never I never learned this lesson.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm I'm twenty seven.
Speaker 1: I've been getting high before for almost ten years. Right,
Speaker 1: I've been editing videos for like fourteen years something like that,
Speaker 1: and the whole time, I've been like, you know what would
Speaker 1: make this editing session more enjoyable is if I got
Speaker 1: really were stoned. Yeah, and I get stoned, and then
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm way too high to look at
Speaker 1: a computer. And then the next day, and then I
Speaker 1: the next day, I go, this time is gonna be different?
Speaker 5: Right? And I do.
Speaker 1: I do that pretty much every day for fourteen years.
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna do it later later on. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be like I did it for this. I was like,
Speaker 1: if I get high, this will be more fun.
Speaker 4: The day right before I left, my friends were like, hey,
Speaker 4: you know, we want to throw you like a little
Speaker 4: going away party or whatever. And we're like, okay, you know,
Speaker 4: we'll shoot a short film. It'll be real, gorilla, you know,
Speaker 4: we'll do it in one day. We got there, we
Speaker 4: had no s D card and we were like, oh fuck,
Speaker 4: what do we do now? So we just day drink
Speaker 4: and man, that was literally a whole fucking.
Speaker 3: You know what, that's okay, you know what, that's okay.
Speaker 4: And it like and there were like other ideas pitched around.
Speaker 4: We were like we could use a different camera, you know,
Speaker 4: and we're like, oh, you know, we can't do that.
Speaker 3: Let's just let's just drink away. What your name is, Jay?
Speaker 3: How old are you? Jay? I'm twenty? All right? Cool?
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. It's important to learn it's okay
Speaker 1: to bail out. Sometimes it's there's like you gotta learn
Speaker 1: when to bail out.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I didn't come out with this, but I was watching
Speaker 1: shout Out this guy doctor K. You know, Doctor K's
Speaker 1: like a YouTube guy. He's like a YouTube mental health dude.
Speaker 1: He was talking about how he how he works, uh,
Speaker 1: and he was like, I work consistently, but I never
Speaker 1: dip into reserves. And when I heard that, that spoke
Speaker 1: to me. It's just like if you're if you're if
Speaker 1: you're like, oh I really were, This is not gonna work.
Speaker 1: Like something fucked up, your SD card is fucked up,
Speaker 1: your computer's overheating. As long as you run of a deadline,
Speaker 1: it's okay. To to give in yeah now and then yeah,
Speaker 1: Like there.
Speaker 4: Have been so many days where I feel like every
Speaker 4: time that I push myself to, like if I'm at
Speaker 4: the point of exhaustion, I'm like, oh, you know, let
Speaker 4: me get these last words on paper. Almost always I
Speaker 4: come back the next day and I'm like, this is
Speaker 4: fucking gobbledygook. Yeah means nothing, right, right, I have to
Speaker 4: come and do it anyway, right, right.
Speaker 1: I mean that's a well, especially because here's the thing is,
Speaker 1: like creative work is not measured in man hours. It's
Speaker 1: measured in uh, you know, creativity and brain power, right,
Speaker 1: So you want to work within your optimal brain power.
Speaker 1: And if you're sitting and you're editing something, or you're
Speaker 1: painting something, you're writing something, and you go past and
Speaker 1: you're once, you're once you can feel physically that you're cooked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just push yourself past that. It's dog shit.
Speaker 1: You throw in the towel because what because the you know,
Speaker 1: you're leveraged, right, So, like thirty minutes of high brain
Speaker 1: power work is going to be more valuable to you
Speaker 1: than you know, three hours of cooked bullshit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, three hours of ass.
Speaker 4: Like I yeah, most of the time now, like I'm
Speaker 4: and I'm trying to get better at that because most
Speaker 4: of the time now, if I like really need to like,
Speaker 4: oh I need to remember this, I'll just make bullet points.
Speaker 4: I'll be like, yeah, this guy he says something along
Speaker 4: these lines.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to bed now. So who do you
Speaker 3: like in the film?
Speaker 4: It's always a rough question because I always because I'm
Speaker 4: a big comic fan, So I always say I love
Speaker 4: James Gunn's work.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but uh, but then I think about those tweets. Man,
Speaker 4: what I he had some crazy tweets like not even
Speaker 4: like a you know, like like oh you know, like
Speaker 4: you know he could push past it, or like like
Speaker 4: I he's got to earn that that ship back.
Speaker 3: I can't When what was he tweeting?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't even you would get super demonetized. I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, you know whatever. But anyway, who cares
Speaker 1: fucking well? All right, you like you like comic books.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love comic stuff. James Gunn is like a big,
Speaker 4: big inspiration.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: I love Edgar Wright, I love uh cool David Leach
Speaker 4: because I think that those three guys are like the
Speaker 4: only three guys in Hollywood still that are like, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna use all of the studios fucking money, right, we
Speaker 4: need to fly to Antarctica right now for this shot.
Speaker 4: I need ten thousand dollars right now to do this. Yeah, right,
Speaker 4: And they're just doing dumb shit. They're just making fun
Speaker 4: shit to watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah you got Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's if you've worked your career up
Speaker 1: to a point where someone will just give you an
Speaker 1: infinite amount of money to make something.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that exists anymore. I don't think
Speaker 3: that exists.
Speaker 1: I think that like the days are probably I feel
Speaker 1: like like maybe ten times a year, five times a year,
Speaker 1: someone will get a lot of money to make a movie.
Speaker 1: But now it's all gonna be you know, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be making movies on your phone. Man, You're not gonna
Speaker 1: be making movies with like thirty thousand fucking people.
Speaker 4: Like That's and like it scared me a lot about
Speaker 4: like getting into film because of like the way that
Speaker 4: things are headed, not just because of like you know,
Speaker 4: like AI and shit like.
Speaker 3: That chat ebt.
Speaker 4: Because I'm like, my big thing is writing, but just
Speaker 4: want to direct so that my vision like comes through properly. Sure,
Speaker 4: but like, yeah, and especially with I feel like studios
Speaker 4: are just way more risk adverse.
Speaker 3: Now we're not getting as much random shit. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: again it's like.
Speaker 1: Studios, you know, I mean, like you can just make
Speaker 1: your own movies and you put them on the internet.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's what I'm trying to do now, right.
Speaker 4: Just I love over the last like two weeks or
Speaker 4: so that I've been here and we've just had to
Speaker 4: go out and film in like fucking ninety degree weather, Like,
Speaker 4: I fucking love that.
Speaker 3: I like that a lot.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Just yeah, let's just pick up tripods and and fucking
Speaker 4: go film and yeah, you know, we're gonna be out
Speaker 4: till like one two in the morning, and then we'll
Speaker 4: go get drinks or something and it'll be great.
Speaker 3: But like, just do it.
Speaker 1: Just enjoy it, Enjoy, enjoy enjoy being in film school
Speaker 1: and getting high and fucking around.
Speaker 3: It's a good time. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like the idea of just making cool shit with your friends,
Speaker 4: like the people around you, because I've been blessed to
Speaker 4: like I've got so many friends in film that are
Speaker 4: like doing the same thing, and we're just ping, pauling
Speaker 4: and ideas off of each other. It's it's great. It's
Speaker 4: actually my favorite shit in the world. Like, I could
Speaker 4: not imagine doing anything else but film.
Speaker 3: You know, Jay, is there anything else? Do you wanna
Speaker 3: get your name right? Yeah? Okay?
Speaker 1: Good names a lot? Is there anything else you want
Speaker 1: to say to the people of the computer.
Speaker 3: Before Keep fucking making shit. That's really it.
Speaker 4: Just keep making shit and you know whether or not
Speaker 4: you know, whether or not you've got money or or
Speaker 4: I don't know, Make it real and then make it
Speaker 4: that's the quote.
Speaker 3: Make it real and then make it good. Make it real,
Speaker 3: then make it good. I agree. I agree with that.
Speaker 3: Don't focus too much on making the thing good.
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta just make the fucking thing and
Speaker 1: then if it sucks, you make another one.
Speaker 3: Beautiful. Good to meet you, Jay.
Speaker 1: You look on your film, on your film career. You
Speaker 1: want to talk what's your name and what is it?
Speaker 1: And how's life.
Speaker 6: Going in it's going?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 6: Are these even on?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're on, they're not projecting.
Speaker 1: I've had I've had a guy sit down here once
Speaker 1: and like tried it, like he was singing. He was
Speaker 1: really fucked up and he was singing, and he was like,
Speaker 1: how you got to turn up the amps, and I
Speaker 1: don't think he understood that this is I'm recording a podcast.
Speaker 6: So why are you doing this?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna try to give you a really
Speaker 1: good answer to that. I'm gonna try to give I'm
Speaker 1: gonna look into my soul for the truest answer to
Speaker 1: that question.
Speaker 3: Why am I doing this? I'm doing this for a
Speaker 3: am I saying this word right? Myriad?
Speaker 1: I'm doing this for a myriad of reasons. One, it's
Speaker 1: my job. It's a just how I make a living
Speaker 1: as I make podcasts. Uh, that's that's most of the reason.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people do a lot of things.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Two, it's really fun. It's a great way to meet
Speaker 2: new people and.
Speaker 1: Uh experience, you know what. I actually I constantly audit
Speaker 1: my life. I don't know if you do this, but
Speaker 1: I audit my life. I think about that I only
Speaker 1: get to live one time. You know, what's the best
Speaker 1: possible thing to do with my life?
Speaker 3: And how far? How far is that from what I
Speaker 3: actually do?
Speaker 1: And I was thinking, I'm like, you know, be dressing
Speaker 1: up as a gecko and interviewing people around the world
Speaker 1: and in New York and whatever.
Speaker 3: I can't think of a better thing to do.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's like, I'm not gonna like go into finance
Speaker 1: or be a fucking you know what.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I can't think of a better thing to be doing
Speaker 1: with my time right now. I could be raising a child,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to do that right now.
Speaker 3: I'm twenty seven. How old are you? I'm twenty very cool.
Speaker 3: What do you? What do you do?
Speaker 6: I work in finance?
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, my bad, my be do you but walcome?
Speaker 1: But you picked it for some reason.
Speaker 6: I picked it because it pays the bills. But I'm
Speaker 6: sure this pays the bills and I could be doing
Speaker 6: this and this is awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could be doing this.
Speaker 1: This is this is only this suit is like Actually,
Speaker 1: the suit's gotten more expensive. It used to be sixty bucks,
Speaker 1: now it's nineties. No, it's the same suit. It just
Speaker 1: is inflated. Oh okay, I'm not saying I had anything
Speaker 1: to do with that.
Speaker 6: But you got a good deal on it.
Speaker 3: Look at you. Oh no, this is the.
Speaker 1: I've This is probably the thirty fourth one that I've
Speaker 1: bought over the past five years.
Speaker 6: Five years, yeah, something like that years.
Speaker 3: For five years. How long have you been doing finance.
Speaker 5: I just started.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have to imagine I know, you know, I
Speaker 1: actually feel bad about what I said because I have
Speaker 1: to imagine that in the Finance universe, it's gotta be
Speaker 1: at least you ever seen Breaking Bad.
Speaker 6: I don't like Breaking Bad. I know it's a hot take.
Speaker 3: Why don't you like Breaking Bad?
Speaker 5: The minority that don't?
Speaker 1: I wanna wait, tell me why I don't like Breaking Bad?
Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna finish the someone hates on Skyler.
Speaker 6: Everyone hates on Skyler for no reason. She's a cool
Speaker 6: She's a cool girl. I like Skyler. I like the wife.
Speaker 6: I think it also, it gets monotonous, like the characters
Speaker 6: like Walter will always be bad. Oh no, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean, Jesse will always be like it's like
Speaker 6: a trope. It just keeps going and going.
Speaker 1: It's like predict So I was okay, So here's why
Speaker 1: I brought up Breaking Bad. It begins to bring it
Speaker 1: back to everything we were just talking about. Is like
Speaker 1: the Finance world.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: There's a scene so throughout Breaking Bad which Skyler discovers
Speaker 1: that Walter. Okay, So for those who don't know Breaking Bad,
Speaker 1: it's about this guy who like gets cancer and starts
Speaker 1: selling It's like a chemistry teacher gets cancer and he
Speaker 1: starts selling math to like support his family, and it's
Speaker 1: high quality math, and it's high quality math and so
Speaker 1: and the whole time, the fact that high quality math
Speaker 1: is important because the whole time, like when Skyler is
Speaker 1: giving him shit about like like what you're doing is
Speaker 1: so dangerous, and he's trying to justify his actions. In
Speaker 1: the whole series, he's trying to justify his actions by going,
Speaker 1: I'm doing it for the family. He goes, he goes, well,
Speaker 1: he goes, I'm doing it for the family. I'm doing
Speaker 1: for the family. And then there's one point where Skyler
Speaker 1: goes and don't say you're doing it for the family,
Speaker 1: and he goes, you know what, I wasn't doing it
Speaker 1: for the family, And he goes, I was doing it
Speaker 1: because I was good at it. And I have to
Speaker 1: imagine there's gotta be at least some people in the
Speaker 1: finance world who, if you ask so about it, are
Speaker 1: not like I just did it for the money. I
Speaker 1: just do or maybe they they maybe it started I
Speaker 1: was just winning it for the money, and now it's
Speaker 1: like I do it because I'm good at it or
Speaker 1: just or just you know, I do it because it's
Speaker 1: what I do.
Speaker 6: You know, I don't even think I'm good at it.
Speaker 6: I think my talents are wasted.
Speaker 3: What are your talents that you feel as you're wasting?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I'm a very fast walker. If that was a sport,
Speaker 6: i'd be an awesome athlete.
Speaker 1: It is a sport, but you gotta go a little bit.
Speaker 1: You gotta go fast enough that they call it running.
Speaker 6: I haven't explored all my talents to have really known
Speaker 6: whether or not it's been totally wasted. I mean, but
Speaker 6: you've explored yours. Can I ask you why the gecko?
Speaker 6: Do you get that a lot?
Speaker 1: The real answer is uh, kind of complicated and boring,
Speaker 1: But I'll give you a fun answer.
Speaker 6: No, I want to know the boring answer.
Speaker 1: No, I the boring answer it's too Is it emotional? No,
Speaker 1: it's that No. If it were emotional, it wouldn't be boring. Okay,
Speaker 1: I was gonna give you a fake answer that was
Speaker 1: more emotional.
Speaker 6: I think I want the boring answer. But you're welcome
Speaker 6: to tell me whatever you'd like.
Speaker 1: So you're majoring in finance, you're not gonna tell me no,
Speaker 1: I'm probably not gonna tell you, but I I'm after you.
Speaker 1: Sure I can tell you after Okay, okay, So are.
Speaker 3: You going to n YU?
Speaker 6: I graduated school already?
Speaker 3: Oh you did?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Wait you're only twenty.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know it's a huge thing. Oh no, no
Speaker 6: it's not.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's so it's but what's what's the deal
Speaker 3: with that? You graduated? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Graduated early?
Speaker 3: Did you take a lot of AP courses?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 6: I just did it in three years, six classes, summer classes,
Speaker 6: bunch of classes.
Speaker 3: Whatever. How hard do you have to work for three
Speaker 3: years to do that?
Speaker 6: Not that hard, It's not that hard. No, anyone could
Speaker 6: do it anyway. It's like college is like, you don't
Speaker 6: need to do it for the full four years. They're
Speaker 6: just doing it to milk you. Okay, am I taking
Speaker 6: up too much of your time?
Speaker 3: No, we're just jok Was there something else you were
Speaker 3: thinking about majoring in?
Speaker 6: I majored in psychology for a little bit.
Speaker 3: Oh really, wyt just drop psychology?
Speaker 6: I dropped psychology because I like went through a phase
Speaker 6: of really liking perfume and bras and my parents were like,
Speaker 6: you love expensive things, like yeah, I do, And then
Speaker 6: they made me feel like a poor person if I
Speaker 6: did psychology.
Speaker 5: So I was like, all right, fair enough?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah no, And.
Speaker 1: I there are certain I have, Like there's certain things
Speaker 1: like I don't cook.
Speaker 3: I just like I don't.
Speaker 1: I just like go and I get like I I
Speaker 1: go to the grocery store and I get uh sushi,
Speaker 1: like the little grocery store sushi, and I get a
Speaker 1: rotisserie chicken. And I'm like, Okay, now I need to
Speaker 1: have enough money to afford my rotisserie chicken and grocery
Speaker 1: store sushi. You know your lifestyle and flates. Yeah, grocery
Speaker 1: store sushi and uh a rotisserie chicken are my perfume
Speaker 1: and bras?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, you're you're why do therapists? Therapists
Speaker 1: make some money, don't.
Speaker 6: They're all right, it's a it's a good struggle for
Speaker 6: a good five six years, but they're right. Did you
Speaker 6: go to college?
Speaker 3: I did go to college.
Speaker 5: Where did you go?
Speaker 1: I went to Temple University for film school. I was
Speaker 1: just talking to the previous gentleman about film school. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what the hell was I going to say?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, how much money? Uh is enough for you?
Speaker 3: How much money do you think you need to?
Speaker 6: I don't know. I'd say, like, my goal in this
Speaker 6: life is probably two hundred. To max out at two
Speaker 6: hundred a year, yes, thousand a year, yeah, all right.
Speaker 3: To wait to max out at Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think at the height of my career that would
Speaker 6: be a goal for me.
Speaker 3: Very cool, two hundred. So what is like? So what's
Speaker 3: the future like?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna be like in like a Manhattan high rise,
Speaker 1: like telling people to run the numbers?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think I want to go to I Live. I'm
Speaker 6: from Boston. I think I want to go there. Okay,
Speaker 6: Chestnut Hill Country Club, take care of my parents.
Speaker 3: Okay, you want the whole, you want the whole? You
Speaker 3: know what? Can I say something? Okay, I I I
Speaker 3: said this.
Speaker 1: I'm not being the slightest. She's facetious. I think I
Speaker 1: respect openly admitting wanting to be rich.
Speaker 6: I don't Yeah, okay, I'm gonna say something about this.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, this is a hot take, and take if
Speaker 3: you go ahead, whatever it is.
Speaker 6: I think people that are gold diggers like get too
Speaker 6: much hate. I think they get too much hate. I
Speaker 6: hate to say I'm not saying openly I'm a gold digger,
Speaker 6: but I think they just get like to.
Speaker 3: Like, you know what, yeah, shut out to you?
Speaker 1: Well, a gold digger like uh, like okay, a gold digger,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's traditionally a gold digger would be
Speaker 1: somebody who like is in like some form of romantic
Speaker 1: relationship with somebody. For are you using it like that
Speaker 1: or using it or using gold digger as a catch
Speaker 1: all phrase for anyone who is acting who actively choose
Speaker 1: money in any form.
Speaker 6: I think I meant the first, the former.
Speaker 3: The former, Yes, okay, would you prefer to just marry Rich?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 6: Actually, okay, I would like to marry Rich. That's fine,
Speaker 6: fine my me. I don't like care. I think I
Speaker 6: want to be able to hit a certain point where
Speaker 6: I have enough money to do what I really want.
Speaker 3: What do you really want?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think I want to start a business. I want
Speaker 6: to do something cool.
Speaker 1: Here's a problem I want to tell jam And here's
Speaker 1: here's a problem. I'm gonna tell you. The problem is
Speaker 1: that uh, actually I I sort of I sort of
Speaker 1: eat these words, but I do I have been thinking
Speaker 1: about them.
Speaker 3: Is when you kind of I think, like, uh, when
Speaker 3: you delay a thing where you're like okay, once I
Speaker 3: have enough money. What was on my head?
Speaker 5: Sorry?
Speaker 3: Oh it's okay. Wait is everything all right?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I just want to I just want to know if
Speaker 6: it was like squishy.
Speaker 3: That's okay.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 1: When you delay keep going a thing like oh I
Speaker 1: want to start a business, but I need enough money
Speaker 1: to do it, I feel like like you keep moving
Speaker 1: the goalposts a little bit.
Speaker 3: I do. I found I found that in my life,
Speaker 3: and here we are, and here we are, and you've
Speaker 3: done it. Although I found you know I found here,
Speaker 3: I'll tellt you. I'll tell you this. I found that
Speaker 3: in my life.
Speaker 1: Although I there are there have been I will say
Speaker 1: certain things that I wanted to do where I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: once I'm at this particular point in my life, I'll
Speaker 1: do this. And it did actually work that way where
Speaker 1: I did. Where once I was at that particular point
Speaker 1: in life, I will I.
Speaker 3: Will do this.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you something, and maybe since
Speaker 6: you're here and you're talking to everyone, maybe you'll give
Speaker 6: me your feedback. Go ahead, And I think lately, don't
Speaker 6: freak out when I say that.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna freak out. Go ahead, or I might
Speaker 3: but you might freak out.
Speaker 6: I think death has been calling my name in my sleep. Uh,
Speaker 6: you're so regretting me inviting inviting me on this chair
Speaker 6: right now. Uh that that doesn't free I tell me
Speaker 6: what your thoughts are on that.
Speaker 3: It's very funny.
Speaker 1: I hear you say that that might freak me out,
Speaker 1: because all I fucking talk about on this podcast is
Speaker 1: existential anxiety and death and whatnot.
Speaker 3: Okay it why do you why is death calling your name?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: My gosh, I just ever since my uncle died like
Speaker 6: earlier this year, shout out to him. It was just
Speaker 6: like it kind of felt it creeping up on me.
Speaker 6: Like sometimes I'll have like still moments and you can
Speaker 6: really feel time and like nappiness of it. But also
Speaker 6: how fast, how fast it's going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little it's a little terrifying.
Speaker 6: And I feel like I feel this sense that there's
Speaker 6: like death looming over me, almost like a cloud, like
Speaker 6: a cloud looming over me, and it's death and it's
Speaker 6: calling me, and it's saying, are you gonna pick up
Speaker 6: the phone?
Speaker 3: Well, well, I mean you die every day.
Speaker 6: What do you mean?
Speaker 3: Death is not a thing? Death is not one singular event.
Speaker 3: It's every day. I'm making such a bubber. But uh,
Speaker 3: it's you die a little bit every day.
Speaker 2: Every day you're a day, you're a second older, you
Speaker 2: creep a little bit, You're at you.
Speaker 1: Like life is a terminal illness. Yes, it's such a
Speaker 1: I gotta stop being so nihilistic.
Speaker 3: But what's fair?
Speaker 1: But okay, when you say death is calling your name,
Speaker 1: does that mean like you think you're going to die soon,
Speaker 1: or you've just been thinking a lot about death, or
Speaker 1: you want to kill yourself.
Speaker 6: I don't want to kill myself. Okay, it's not a
Speaker 6: suicidal thing. I'm not Okay, I'm not suicide. It's sounds
Speaker 6: like a depressing thing. It's just like, uh, it's more
Speaker 6: like I can kind of see an hourglass and the
Speaker 6: sand is sifting down, and every minute I can feel
Speaker 6: the sand sifting down, and it's like part of me.
Speaker 6: When I first felt this, I felt like so angry
Speaker 6: to have been given the gift of life and like
Speaker 6: how good it is and sweet and amazing and lovely. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and I almost felt like betrayed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's all going to like.
Speaker 6: Go like, why what the fuck am I?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Ye?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know exactly what you mean.
Speaker 1: Okay, you actually, Uh, what you are talking about is
Speaker 1: the most persistent thought I have been having for the
Speaker 1: last six months.
Speaker 6: You enjoy your life?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: Sometimes I do. Sometimes sometimes I'm like that. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: hear death. Sometimes I feel what you just described. I
Speaker 1: feel death calling over me, and I'm like, we had
Speaker 1: a good round.
Speaker 3: Let's just get it over with, you know.
Speaker 5: I know something.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was on Reddit the other day. I love Reddit,
Speaker 6: and I was on Reddit and this one guy is
Speaker 6: asking his grandfather like, what does it feel like to
Speaker 6: grow old?
Speaker 3: To age?
Speaker 5: And the grandfather says to him, it's.
Speaker 3: Like taking a shower, yes, and and the water colder
Speaker 3: and cold.
Speaker 6: You know exactly what I'm talking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw the same Reddit post, however long ago
Speaker 1: that was. I think about that red post very often. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know the exact redit post. Yeah that that spooked
Speaker 1: me a little bit. But you know it's funny.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. But fuck that guy, because.
Speaker 6: That's a really good analogy.
Speaker 5: That's yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but that's one guy, right, Like I talked
Speaker 1: to my I talked to my dad about death a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, and my dad was like, you know,
Speaker 1: the older I get and the less time I have
Speaker 1: on this earth, the less anxious I am. He was like,
Speaker 1: I'm in my I'm having like an existential crisis, and
Speaker 1: I'm in my dad's I'm in my basement at my
Speaker 1: dad's house.
Speaker 3: And and he's like practicing his putting.
Speaker 1: He's been playing golf for like thirty years, and he's
Speaker 1: like fucking doing like a practice swing. And he's talking
Speaker 1: to me, and he's like, Yeah, the less time I
Speaker 1: have on earth, the less anxious I feel.
Speaker 3: When I was young, I had so many problems. Now
Speaker 3: don't I don't really have any problems.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: Louis c k does this bit where he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm fifty two years old. I feel pretty good. When
Speaker 1: you're young, it's hard you have. You know, if you're twenty,
Speaker 1: you've got about fifty to sixty years to not be
Speaker 1: homeless or alone during Yeah, but the older you get,
Speaker 1: you're like, all right, we're just get We're getting there.
Speaker 3: Pretty good, We're.
Speaker 6: Getting there, you know, where are we going?
Speaker 2: I also like, I see, well, I see older people
Speaker 2: all over the city too, and doing great.
Speaker 6: I'm not afraid of aging. That's kind of how I
Speaker 6: like made the distinction in my head. It's like, I
Speaker 6: see older woman I love I love older women.
Speaker 1: They don't get me doing so well, right, they're not
Speaker 1: having existential crises.
Speaker 5: But it's like the sleep. It's the sleep.
Speaker 6: It's like the nothingness that kind of kills me a little.
Speaker 3: It's true.
Speaker 6: Well, I think we're both in the same boat. You
Speaker 6: don't have to impart any advice on.
Speaker 1: Me, isn't This isn't advice. This is just we're just pondering.
Speaker 1: But I was talking to a friend about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been talking everyone. Yeah, I've been talking everyone about this.
Speaker 1: You know, we've been dead for like ever. We've been
Speaker 1: dead for infinite time. We've been dead for billions of years,
Speaker 1: so the fact that we're gonna be dead for billions
Speaker 1: more is fine.
Speaker 3: We're actually more used to being dead than we are
Speaker 3: to being alive, so it's gonna be a fine. You know,
Speaker 3: we were not. We spent way.
Speaker 5: More time being Are you prepared to die?
Speaker 3: I'm prepared to die if you.
Speaker 1: If I had to die tomorrow, i'd be terrified, But
Speaker 1: I did a I'm very happy with how I like
Speaker 1: have spent my life thus far. I'm like, it's the
Speaker 1: greatest blessing I could possibly have. As I'm feeling. I
Speaker 1: feel extremely content with how my twenty seven years have gone.
Speaker 1: They've been They've had plenty of times of like a
Speaker 1: terror and anxiety and depressed fear and depression, a lot
Speaker 1: of bad things, and a lot of sadness and whatnot,
Speaker 1: but also just such incredible uh charm and joy.
Speaker 3: You know, So, I don't I have no regrets. I
Speaker 3: mean I I have a few. I have a few regrets.
Speaker 3: I regret.
Speaker 1: I regret anytime that I was an asshole. I regret
Speaker 1: times in the future that I might be an asshole.
Speaker 6: What was the most asshole thing that you've done?
Speaker 3: Who knows?
Speaker 1: But I regret anytimes I was an asshole. I kind
Speaker 1: of regret times that I was that I was worried,
Speaker 1: but not even really that was just part of it.
Speaker 1: I mayly regret times of an asshole more than I
Speaker 1: regret times that I was worried, because the worrying was
Speaker 1: part of the journey.
Speaker 3: The journey. Yeah, do you have any regrets? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: do you have any regrets?
Speaker 6: I think I'll I have a few regrats. I'd say, yeah,
Speaker 6: anytime I've been an asshole. Oh, God, I'm such an asshole.
Speaker 3: But when were you an asshole? Well?
Speaker 6: I can't say that because you didn't even answer mine.
Speaker 5: You just subtly swiched.
Speaker 2: Hold on, actually, let me try to remember the last
Speaker 2: time I was an asshole, uh to someone.
Speaker 1: I don't know I've been I could remember, I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember specific things. But I've been terse
Speaker 1: to people, you know the word turs like uh like fast,
Speaker 1: like yeah, rude, yeah, yeah, I've been addiced sometimes.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 1: And I think and anytime I was a dick, it
Speaker 1: was because I was angry. But I was never a
Speaker 1: dick because I was angry about the thing. I was
Speaker 1: a dick because if something else that I was upset
Speaker 1: by that was outside of.
Speaker 6: The Yeah, when you're angry, it's like, okay, I'm an
Speaker 6: angry person. I can I can be an angry person.
Speaker 6: I'm calm like ninety five percent of the time. Five
Speaker 6: percent of the time I'm like really angry for some reason.
Speaker 6: You're just like constantly reading me as we keep going.
Speaker 6: And I think that being angry, it's it's more about
Speaker 6: something that's unresolved within yourself, right, I mean, call me
Speaker 6: spiritual or whatever.
Speaker 5: But truly, like.
Speaker 6: Truly, I think like, if you're angry, there's just something
Speaker 6: wrong and you're angry with yourself and this is just
Speaker 6: a reflection and how you're you're showing it to the
Speaker 6: external world.
Speaker 3: Oh, I fully agree, but it's not true anger. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Oh I fully yeah, I fully agree.
Speaker 1: I think if you're to be angry at the anytime
Speaker 1: I've been angry at the external world, it's usually because
Speaker 1: of like I'm a bad like what like, if I'm
Speaker 1: in a good mood, I don't give a shit about
Speaker 1: fucking anything. I know, there's nothing that could piss me
Speaker 1: off really if I'm in a good mood, you know.
Speaker 1: So those are the things I would regret, is times
Speaker 1: where yeah, I was an asshole.
Speaker 3: But the aging thing is interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at like, you know, I think about
Speaker 1: it's like look at like I'm mean, look at like
Speaker 1: the president.
Speaker 3: He's like seventy nine years old or whatever.
Speaker 1: Like still going he's seventy nine, and he's acting like,
Speaker 1: I mean, for better or for worse, but he's acting
Speaker 1: like he's just never gonna die, you know. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want like, like how often does he fucking think about
Speaker 1: the fact he's gonna die. He's probably gonna die in
Speaker 1: the next like, you know, his time's fucking coming. But
Speaker 1: I don't know if he ever thinks about it, you know,
Speaker 1: or look at like uh, or look at like Bernie Sanders. Right,
Speaker 1: he's like eighty three, and he was just on stage
Speaker 1: at Coachella. Yeah, he was at Coachelle. He's on stage
Speaker 1: at Coachella to talk about you know, all of his things.
Speaker 1: And he's still working. He's still doing yeah things.
Speaker 5: It's hilarious, but you know, like and it time.
Speaker 1: It's funny. The people who are having existential crisises tend
Speaker 1: to be younger people. Older people are just shown. There's
Speaker 1: there's like seventy five year old dudes at this park
Speaker 1: just reading the book They're gonna die soon and they're
Speaker 1: not thinking, oh I'm gonna die soon, and they're just.
Speaker 6: I think the more you grow old, the more you
Speaker 6: kind of accepted it and you don't care. You're less
Speaker 6: care free.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like you're dad. Yeah, I think my dad
Speaker 3: is I was kind of accepted it.
Speaker 6: He's kind of I think so, yeah, I think shower's
Speaker 6: gone cold, and he's like, all right, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I don't well I don't think
Speaker 3: his shower has gone cold.
Speaker 1: It's why I don't necessarily agree with the showernology.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think a shower is going col. I
Speaker 3: think he's enjoying life. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like, I was hanging out with my uncle yesterday. He's
Speaker 1: like sixty something. We were talking about I made this.
Speaker 1: People listen to the podcast might know that I made
Speaker 1: this video about, uh, you know, having an existential crisis
Speaker 1: and death. And I was talking about all these things.
Speaker 1: My uncle saw it and we were like talking about it,
Speaker 1: and I was like and I was talking to him
Speaker 1: and I was like, what do you think happens after
Speaker 1: we die? And it was like, oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'll figure that out when it happens. It was like
Speaker 1: it was like the second I asked him was the
Speaker 1: first time he thought about it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Was Actually it was as if the second I asked
Speaker 1: him was the fourth time in his entire fucking life
Speaker 1: you'd ever thought about it.
Speaker 5: You didn't even consider it, didn't even consider it.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, that's that's insane to me.
Speaker 6: I've been considering it ever since I was a little girl.
Speaker 5: Ye.
Speaker 3: Actually, it's spooky.
Speaker 6: Maybe I've always just been like that. Maybe I'm just
Speaker 6: two in my head. Some people they don't consider it
Speaker 6: at all. I know your uncle is one of them.
Speaker 6: I know incredibly lucky.
Speaker 3: Don't you. You know what's funny is sometimes I like,
Speaker 3: I'll meet someone like that.
Speaker 6: You know you're like a care free person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you meet someone and you're like, I can you've
Speaker 1: never how have you a problem? How can you be
Speaker 1: a conscious being even if you're like, even if you
Speaker 1: have the best on paper quality of life, I don't
Speaker 1: know how you can be a conscious being that's never
Speaker 1: experienced some some sort of like some form of like
Speaker 1: a profound uh sadness and you And maybe I'm being projective,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you meet people like that right where you're
Speaker 1: like you never thought?
Speaker 3: Do I think a lot?
Speaker 5: A thinker?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking all the time. I'm always thinking. I
Speaker 1: consider myself. It's weird. Sometimes I feel actually very carefree,
Speaker 1: and then other times I feel uh, very anxious.
Speaker 3: Do you do you think a lot?
Speaker 6: I think all the time. I'm trying to think less though.
Speaker 6: I think it might be beneficial for me to think less.
Speaker 1: How's your maybe for you too, I'm also trying to
Speaker 1: think less. Yeah, the pros and cons Yes, you know
Speaker 1: I was talking to Yeah, there's people I have in
Speaker 1: my life who think who I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: they think a lot, uh, but they live and they
Speaker 1: tell me you should think less, And I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: probably true. There's an optimal amount of concientiousness to happen.
Speaker 6: When you were younger, were you always thinking a lot?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I remember.
Speaker 1: I think this is a right of and you probably
Speaker 1: had maybe had the same thing happened. This is the
Speaker 1: right of passage for all uh crazy existential people is everyone.
Speaker 1: Can you remember a time where you maybe like walk
Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night and you went
Speaker 1: into your parents' room and you were like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember this kid like growing up in the Uh you
Speaker 1: wake up, you get your parents' room and you're like,
Speaker 1: mom and dad just realized that one day I'm going
Speaker 1: to die. And I remember my mom going, oh, but
Speaker 1: that's not going to happen for a very, very long time.
Speaker 3: Did that happen to you that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's happened to me a few times.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Do you talk to your parents about death?
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I told them what I just told you.
Speaker 6: Death is calling my name.
Speaker 2: Mom.
Speaker 6: Do you think I should pick up the phone and
Speaker 6: were She's a very religious person. I come from a
Speaker 6: religious family, and so we had a priest ob one time,
Speaker 6: read a priest over one time. And she pulls them
Speaker 6: aside and she like says this in the most like
Speaker 6: ominous way possible, and she's like, my daughter has a
Speaker 6: little problem. Can you just bless her for a second.
Speaker 6: And he like he's like bowed your head down, and
Speaker 6: he like does a prayer over me and he blesses me.
Speaker 5: And that was that.
Speaker 6: And then she's like, all right, you're good.
Speaker 3: Did you feel better?
Speaker 6: I feel better?
Speaker 3: Did do you think the prayer worked?
Speaker 6: Another part of me was thinking, like maybe I've been possessed.
Speaker 3: Maybe what religion were you?
Speaker 6: I'm Catholic?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: Do you still identify with Catholicism?
Speaker 5: I got a yeah.
Speaker 6: I believe in God really, but I'm I'm open to
Speaker 6: other you know, debates and interpretations.
Speaker 3: Wait, so okay, So, as a.
Speaker 1: As someone who thinks a lot about these existential topics
Speaker 1: and about death and whatnot, how do they, uh, how
Speaker 1: do you think about them through the lens of your religion.
Speaker 6: I've actually never that's a good question, and I've never
Speaker 6: thought about that. Afterlife you know how I interpret it
Speaker 6: as lights out, lights off, you're done, it's over.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 6: I've never really considered the idea of a heaven. I
Speaker 6: think we created a heaven so that we can feel
Speaker 6: better when our people die.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I personally, like, I don't think I'm embarking
Speaker 6: on that. I don't think that's going to be there
Speaker 6: for me, you know what I mean. I think we're
Speaker 6: all kind of like it's over. I believe in God
Speaker 6: in the sense of, like, you know, there's something cosmic,
Speaker 6: there's something watching over us for the time we're alive.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, you think there's something watching over us? Yeah,
Speaker 3: what do you think that is?
Speaker 6: I think it's God. I think it's a god up there,
Speaker 6: like an entity, Yes.
Speaker 1: Like a monolith, like a monolithic entity, like it's controlled
Speaker 1: by one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you can pray to it, you can ask
Speaker 6: him for whatever.
Speaker 1: Do you believe in, like a traditional like omnis omni omnipotence, omnipotent, omnipotent.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm not god fearing. Some people like, oh, I'm
Speaker 6: a God fearing woman. I'm from this out.
Speaker 3: No, No, you can't. I don't fearing God is stupid.
Speaker 6: I'm not a god fear. I mean shot out to
Speaker 6: anyone who is.
Speaker 5: But that's just not me.
Speaker 6: I just I believe that there's something watching over us,
Speaker 6: and I believe that if you ever need something but
Speaker 6: it can't be material, I'll tell you how I pray.
Speaker 6: Maybe that'll be easier. I'll tell you how I pray.
Speaker 6: I don't ever ask for like a material object or
Speaker 6: for something to happen, Like if I want to study
Speaker 6: for a test. I'm never like, oh, I want an
Speaker 6: a I'm asking for Oh I want the knowledge, or
Speaker 6: I want the discipline to study. If I wanted to
Speaker 6: pass the job interview, I don't wish to pass the
Speaker 6: job interview. I wish that the interviewer has kindness and compassion. Sure,
Speaker 6: I wish that you know I've had while rested sleep,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's the classic God, give me the whatever, the yeah,
Speaker 1: the courage, the courage to Yeah. It's like, you don't
Speaker 1: want the things, give me the things to take on
Speaker 1: the things. But do you do you believe that there
Speaker 1: is an entity that is receiving those prayers and bestowing
Speaker 1: the things upon you externally.
Speaker 6: I think part of it is the entity. And I
Speaker 6: think part of it is by me saying it out loud,
Speaker 6: it gives me, like you know what I mean, like
Speaker 6: a sense of like assurance that I can do this, okay.
Speaker 6: Part of it's like a confidence thing. Part of me
Speaker 6: is saying I've done my due diligence to pray and
Speaker 6: whatever happens happens.
Speaker 3: Do you believe in like a like a like a
Speaker 3: morality based afterlife?
Speaker 6: No, I don't believe in good or bad people either.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't need either.
Speaker 6: I think that's a dumb thing.
Speaker 1: I don't neither only be like I don't believe in
Speaker 1: that because of like a from like a deterministic point
Speaker 1: of view.
Speaker 6: It's like it's so like black and white, like oh,
Speaker 6: you're good, you're bad, You're a bad person, you're evil.
Speaker 6: Like that's stupid, and I can call the bad person
Speaker 6: many times and it's I don't know. I just don't
Speaker 6: think that's a very accurate way to portray people that
Speaker 6: are very complex.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, I think it's well because actually, you
Speaker 1: know what sucks about being all uh, you know what
Speaker 1: sucks about being all like spiritual and he's full and
Speaker 1: stuff is that it's like like it's so much easier
Speaker 1: to just be like, I guy's a fucking asshole and
Speaker 1: just walk away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so much. It's so much easier, you know, on
Speaker 3: your mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because every because the world is uh, you know,
Speaker 1: too complex and people are too complex two.
Speaker 3: To really to take in, you know, and to to
Speaker 3: uh deal with.
Speaker 2: So we have the labels that were like, oh, that
Speaker 2: guy is an asshole or what that's whatever, because it
Speaker 2: makes it easier than being like, ah, that person had
Speaker 2: a bad day or a bad childhood, or their brain
Speaker 2: is wired in a certain way, and.
Speaker 1: It's hard because you don't want to excuse they. I
Speaker 1: don't know how much I believe in like free will, okay,
Speaker 1: like because like you have your fucking uh you were
Speaker 1: born to your parents with your own brain and even
Speaker 1: and you can make decisions, But how much of your
Speaker 1: decisions are your own? Really if they're influenced by so
Speaker 1: many factors outside of yourself, like who your parents were,
Speaker 1: or what your brain chemistry is like, or where you
Speaker 1: grew up, I would do you disagree?
Speaker 6: I don't know. That's I don't I haven't given much
Speaker 6: thought to it. I'd say I do believe in free
Speaker 6: will and I'd say, we're only so much. There's like
Speaker 6: a threshold in which we're influenced by other things at
Speaker 6: some point. It's just it's just who you are, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean. It's just it's just I don't
Speaker 6: ever listen to my parents, unfortunately.
Speaker 3: Do they where?
Speaker 6: Did?
Speaker 3: Where?
Speaker 2: Did?
Speaker 3: What? Do your parents think about? Like death? Do you
Speaker 3: do you talk to them about it? In terms of like,
Speaker 3: well they feel cold showery?
Speaker 5: I never asked.
Speaker 6: I don't want to talk to them about the cold
Speaker 6: shower because I don't want to freak them out, because
Speaker 6: then they're gonna send me, you know, like another priest.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Do you still go to a church?
Speaker 5: I haven't gone.
Speaker 6: I haven't gone in two weeks. I will go when
Speaker 6: I'm I'm moving around right now. So it's a little tough.
Speaker 3: What do they do at church?
Speaker 1: Sactly because I grew up go in a synagogue and synagogue,
Speaker 1: you know, because it church. At church, I feel like
Speaker 1: a guy gets up there and he speaks in English
Speaker 1: and he says a bunch of stuff and in synagogue
Speaker 1: gets all in Hebrew and I'm like, what does this mean?
Speaker 1: And they go shut the fuck up and keep reading
Speaker 1: and the way. I just remember, like we would sing
Speaker 1: all these songs. I have all these Hebrew songs like
Speaker 1: stuck in my head. I don't know what any of
Speaker 1: them mean. I can't tell you a single like when
Speaker 1: we go to synagogue and we was just singing in
Speaker 1: Hebrew and nobody ever stopped to be like, hey, by
Speaker 1: the way, this is what they're talking about. Actually, I
Speaker 1: remember one thing, okay, uh, what is it? Maybe you know,
Speaker 1: maybe this is a statement about boundaries or something. Okay,
Speaker 1: I remember one thing from Hebrew school that I was
Speaker 1: told something from the Torah, a story about this guy
Speaker 1: who's like wander He's like lost in the desert and
Speaker 1: he has a canteen of a little bit of water
Speaker 1: and he only has enough water for him self. And
Speaker 1: he meets the sky who's also like thirsty and wondering
Speaker 1: that the desert, and uh, he's the guy's like, hey,
Speaker 1: can have some of your water. And according to Torah,
Speaker 1: it's totally cool if you just don't give him.
Speaker 3: The water and you take all the water. You just
Speaker 3: have all the water for you. They told me. They
Speaker 3: told me that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, so it's okay to uh be selfish.
Speaker 1: I guess I think I think so, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: good pr for for US Jews right now. But anyway,
Speaker 1: what were you going to say?
Speaker 6: I don't know, And I think this is a good
Speaker 6: stopping point because you have a line.
Speaker 1: There's no lot. But what's your name? And a pleasure
Speaker 1: to meet you. My name is Lyle. I will I
Speaker 1: will see you around the universe.
Speaker 3: How are you my friend? Hey? What's your name? My
Speaker 3: name is Judah. Judah. Nice to meate you.
Speaker 2: I go by struts as an artistrut.
Speaker 3: How's life? What's going on?
Speaker 2: Man? Honestly, it's it's okay. I've been having trouble with
Speaker 2: my work life balance, you know what I mean? Tell
Speaker 2: me mare, Well, So I work as an artist. I
Speaker 2: sell my art here in the park, and I'm a
Speaker 2: college student. I'm home for summer break, and I also
Speaker 2: am taking some summer classes as well, all asynchronous and
Speaker 2: online and whatnot. And there's a lot of other things
Speaker 2: that I have to do to upkeep my life, like
Speaker 2: taking my meds or going to therapy or you know,
Speaker 2: going to a regular doctor's appointment, taking care of chores
Speaker 2: around the house and whatnot, and I've been having a
Speaker 2: hard time juggling that and still doing what I feel
Speaker 2: really proud of and doing.
Speaker 3: Like my art really well or to the highest level
Speaker 3: of it. What do you feel really proud of?
Speaker 2: I feel proud that excuse me. I feel proud that
Speaker 2: I can make a piece of art that somebody connects
Speaker 2: to and that brings somebody joy. And I feel like
Speaker 2: I can do that lot over and I've proven that
Speaker 2: I can do that a lot, and I am so
Speaker 2: willing and open to continue doing that in whatever way.
Speaker 2: You know, I study new media, so I'm exploring all
Speaker 2: of these different avenues to go down and it is
Speaker 2: a little overwhelming at times, you know, and it gets
Speaker 2: in the way of like maintaining regular relationships with my
Speaker 2: family members or my friends or the people that I.
Speaker 3: Love, you know, And.
Speaker 2: Honestly, like, yeah, I guess my question would be like,
Speaker 2: how do you balance your work life?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 2: How what do you do you schedule? I know you
Speaker 2: have a unique situation, but I'm looking to get into
Speaker 2: a similar one.
Speaker 3: Oh, how do I balance my work life schedule?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: You balance your work life schedule by having no life?
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, let's listen. Listen, brother, listen, brother. I'm
Speaker 1: single with no kids, gotcha.
Speaker 3: You know I can be I go on.
Speaker 1: Long walks at two o'clock in the morning. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't have anything else to do.
Speaker 2: But that's but but if you enjoy going on long
Speaker 2: walks in the morning, that's fine. Like no, I'm sorry
Speaker 2: at three o'cl yeah, three color yeah, yeah. But that's
Speaker 2: my point is this, Like, if that's what it brings you,
Speaker 2: relief for joy or like I'm down to be single
Speaker 2: and unmarried. If that means that I live a happy
Speaker 2: life and I don't have to work a job that
Speaker 2: I hate or X, Y and Z, you know, marriage.
Speaker 3: And kids and a family and whatever, it would be great.
Speaker 2: But it's not like necessary for me necessarily, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, what's necessary?
Speaker 3: So what's the what's the life part?
Speaker 2: So you know, relationships with Like, like I'm twenty years old,
Speaker 2: I'm a college student. I still live with my parents,
Speaker 2: you know, and there's some tension there, especially because you know,
Speaker 2: I've had problems with my like my parents and my
Speaker 2: family in the past. I'm like it comes to a
Speaker 2: head sometimes when I'm twenty years old and still living
Speaker 2: in the in the apartment and I'm trying to do
Speaker 2: my artwork and make a lot of prints of all
Speaker 2: my different things, and I'm kind of spread out a
Speaker 2: little bit. And they come home and I didn't think
Speaker 2: they were gonna come home. They get mad at the mess,
Speaker 2: and I'm just I don't know. I need I need
Speaker 2: a certain amount of excess. Excuse me, I need a
Speaker 2: certain amount of success off of this stuff in order
Speaker 2: to be able to have my own space and be independent.
Speaker 1: Yes, especially, And well, do you live with your parents
Speaker 1: in the like city five blocks that way?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Oh, your parents live manh Yeah. Yeah, Okay, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: You know what here, you know what's funny is normally
Speaker 2: in a situation like this, it's like.
Speaker 1: I feel for you trying to get out, even if
Speaker 1: you have, like, like if you have a battle issue
Speaker 1: with the parents, like your parents don't like hit you
Speaker 1: or anything. Right, No, okay, all right, all right, because
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Look, normally, i'd be like I normally
Speaker 1: i'd be like, if your parents you have a bad
Speaker 1: relationship with them, I understand why to get out. But
Speaker 1: your parents live in Manhattan, dude, if your parents live
Speaker 1: in Manhattan, my advice to you, is I swear on
Speaker 1: my life in no other in no other situation do
Speaker 1: I ever say this. But if I were you, I
Speaker 1: would suck it up and live rent free in Manhattan
Speaker 1: for as long as you possibly can, live with your
Speaker 1: parents rent free in Manhattan until you are forty five
Speaker 1: years old.
Speaker 3: Isn't that the thing that makes sense to do?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: That's that's the thing, Like, Bro, if your parents lived
Speaker 2: in like fucking New Brunswick or whatever. I get, but like,
Speaker 2: get out of there, dude, live rent free in Manhattan
Speaker 2: as long as you can, honestly, like I'm trying to get.
Speaker 2: Here's my plan, you're ready. I am going to get
Speaker 2: rich and or famous okay, very young.
Speaker 3: Wor soon? Okay? All right?
Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna have enough money to buy an
Speaker 2: apartment of my own in this neighborhood, and I will
Speaker 2: continue to be a local, and I'll have like a
Speaker 2: nice little one bedroom.
Speaker 1: Bro, that's way too much pressure. How much money you
Speaker 1: need to buy it apart in this neighborhood, and.
Speaker 3: I'll sell you something.
Speaker 2: I don't feel the pressure. I just know that it's coming.
Speaker 2: I genuinely all the way trust that it's gonna come.
Speaker 2: Maybe it won't be when I'm super young, and that's fine,
Speaker 2: and I'm prepared for that and I have backup lands,
Speaker 2: all right, But I genuinely like, I'm not worried about
Speaker 2: success coming to me, whether or not it's gonna I'm
Speaker 2: not excuse me, I'm not worried about whether or not
Speaker 2: success is gonna come to me. I'm just worried about
Speaker 2: when and how and how can I make sure that
Speaker 2: it's what I actually want, how I want to present
Speaker 2: myself to the world.
Speaker 3: Sure, and like why not? I really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And even if it isn't fame and fortune or whatever,
Speaker 2: it'll be a loving and fulfilling life, and like, I
Speaker 2: feel like I can build that off of my art.
Speaker 2: And you know, one hundred percent strut dot NYC. We're lit,
Speaker 2: I you know, I I think that's great. And by
Speaker 2: the way, I actually not this isn't wu woo. I
Speaker 2: know we were just woo woo for the last however long,
Speaker 2: But I don't think this is whoah, I think this
Speaker 2: is actually by like this, I believe I don't know
Speaker 2: anything about biology, but I do believe this is like
Speaker 2: of the mind, empirically like manifestation, right because I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily believe in manifestation as a way of
Speaker 2: you put out signals into something outside of yourself, But
Speaker 2: you put signals into your brain, and the signals and
Speaker 2: the thoughts you have influence the actions you have, and
Speaker 2: the actions that you do influence the way that the
Speaker 2: external world responds to you. And sorry, I believe the
Speaker 2: manifestation empirically works.
Speaker 3: In that way.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I agree with that, and I want to
Speaker 2: add on to it as well, sure, because I want
Speaker 2: to say, like, I think that manifestation works in that
Speaker 2: if it is something that is constantly on your mind
Speaker 2: and you're thinking about it and always improving those ideas,
Speaker 2: you're working on those ideas, then it will progress because
Speaker 2: you're putting the work into it, of course. And the
Speaker 2: reason why I really trust myself to become successful and
Speaker 2: not wear bads because I know that I will always
Speaker 2: put the work in and I live by I live
Speaker 2: by a lot of little mottos that I've come up
Speaker 2: with or accumulated, but one of them is that the
Speaker 2: definition of luck is the combination of opportunity and preparation.
Speaker 1: Okay, I, okay, I I believe that I do believe
Speaker 1: that that success is a combination.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sure, it's a combination of having luck.
Speaker 1: Well well, well, yeah, success is a combination of having
Speaker 1: some form of inherent talent, a nice you have to
Speaker 1: you have to have some form of inherent talent, some
Speaker 1: form of work ethic and like a lot of luck
Speaker 1: and a lot of luck can and by the way,
Speaker 1: a lot of luck. Luck comes in many forms. Luck
Speaker 1: comes in the form of you know who your parents are.
Speaker 1: Luck comes in the form of.
Speaker 2: You know, just like, oh, I was prepared in my
Speaker 2: daddy's nutsac you know what I mean. I mean, I
Speaker 2: have the opportunity and I beat all the other sperm
Speaker 2: in the all the other sperm exactly.
Speaker 3: I Yo, everybody starts life out on a win.
Speaker 1: But it I will say that, like I think success
Speaker 1: does require a lot of luck, Like I think it
Speaker 1: requires all because that's.
Speaker 3: Why I make my own luck. Because here's the thing.
Speaker 2: The benefit of living intan and Lower Manhattan, and the
Speaker 2: reason why I should stay here as long as possible
Speaker 2: is because of the proximity to opportunity.
Speaker 3: Because it's all happening right here.
Speaker 2: And so if I'm constantly preparing and then going out
Speaker 2: and inevitably I know the opportunity will show up.
Speaker 3: All I gotta do is pounce on that opportunity. And
Speaker 3: I'm lit. I'm not worried about because here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Whether or not you make the the fifty million dollars
Speaker 1: that you need to buy an apartment in fucking you
Speaker 1: know Manhattan, whatever.
Speaker 2: If I got one hundred grand and a good reputation
Speaker 2: for selling art for that much, I could get an
Speaker 2: apartment within a year in Manhattan, within a one and
Speaker 2: a half mile radius of where we are.
Speaker 3: Well numbers aside, who gets a shirt, That's not the point.
Speaker 3: The point is. The reason I'm not worried about you
Speaker 3: is because.
Speaker 2: In the pursuit of these things, you'll probably have a
Speaker 2: lot of fun, and you'll probably meet a lot of people,
Speaker 2: and you'll probably make a lot of things that you're
Speaker 2: proud of. One speaking of things that I'm proud of,
Speaker 2: I actually have a gift that I want to give
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 3: Is that you're gonna me Is that? Okay, Oh you're
Speaker 3: gonnaar me one moment. Okay, I'm saying one moment.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll talk to the I'll talk to the audience
Speaker 1: wall with this is He's calling a man named Matt,
Speaker 1: would you make.
Speaker 3: I made a shirt. I make wearable paintings.
Speaker 2: Oh, you make wearable painting wear like I made this
Speaker 2: shirt a couple of get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2: I made this shirt a couple of weeks ago, and
Speaker 2: when I I saw you, it just it made me
Speaker 2: think of you.
Speaker 3: And honestly, you still go.
Speaker 2: By the therapy get go right or no, yeah, gek therapy,
Speaker 2: gecko lyle, whatever, whatever it might be, and not only
Speaker 2: fits your color, but it's it's a person who is
Speaker 2: in pain but not letting that pain define them and
Speaker 2: is scratchy, but it's finding beauty in that scratchiness. And
Speaker 2: I love street art so much, you know, and I
Speaker 2: because I grew up in this neighborhood. It's been a
Speaker 2: big part of how I've grown as an artist, and
Speaker 2: so stuff like this is really important to me, and
Speaker 2: especially like this is a form of street art and
Speaker 2: what you're doing right now, and like being on the
Speaker 2: street and making art and making these videos and interacting
Speaker 2: with these people, and I love it.
Speaker 3: You know, I study new media and this is very
Speaker 3: very inspiring to me. Thanks. I want to give you
Speaker 3: this shirt as a gift.
Speaker 1: Thank you, man. I'm gonna I gotta make this here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make this the I'll put so that the
Speaker 1: audio listeners can see it. I'll make it the U
Speaker 1: the thumbnail of the podcast, the audio podcast, because it's funny.
Speaker 3: This is this is like a this is a perfect
Speaker 3: shirt for me. This feel it's a green.
Speaker 1: Guy with a it's it's a it's a Korean man
Speaker 1: in a state of existential dread.
Speaker 3: It is such a perfect shirt. Thank you for this.
Speaker 3: This is this is awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, beautiful. Yeah, the shirts I'm actually I made the
Speaker 2: one that I'm wearing right now.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, so what is that?
Speaker 1: So we just had a whole long, crazy, constant like
Speaker 1: talk about existential bullshit.
Speaker 3: This what is this? This seems very existential.
Speaker 2: So this is one of my favorite pieces that I've
Speaker 2: made recently. It's based off of a painting of the
Speaker 2: Rapture of Saint Paul.
Speaker 3: And what is the rapture of Saint Paul? What's the story?
Speaker 2: It's one of the saints, he got raptured, he went
Speaker 2: up to heaven. That's That's about the extent of its
Speaker 2: relevance to the piece. Honestly, Well, you made a whole
Speaker 2: thing about the thing you don't know what the thing
Speaker 2: is about. Well, okay, sorry, what's the relevant to the piece?
Speaker 2: I spoke too soon? The point being that in Christianity
Speaker 2: there are these conflicting beliefs that every human being is flawed,
Speaker 2: and also on the other hand, Jesus will take responsibility
Speaker 2: for all of your sins and God will see you
Speaker 2: as perfect. And so it's kind of tearing between this,
Speaker 2: like perfection in God's eyes and imperfection in the real world,
Speaker 2: and so kind of the meaning of this is that
Speaker 2: as Paul gets closer to Heaven, it's easier to see him,
Speaker 2: and as he is closer to Earth, things.
Speaker 3: Are more muddled.
Speaker 2: It's not as black and white, it's not as easy
Speaker 2: to tell what is what. And so that was the
Speaker 2: meaning of this piece a lot of them. Some of
Speaker 2: the pieces are more complex, some of the pieces are
Speaker 2: more simple and striking. This is definitely one of the
Speaker 2: more striking ones. But people really like it and they've
Speaker 2: been you know, I've been out here. Technically I'm not
Speaker 2: allowed to sell a peril in the park, which is
Speaker 2: why I don't sell a peril.
Speaker 3: I don't sell t shirts. Guys.
Speaker 1: Guys, there's a guy walking around selling but just whine
Speaker 1: out of a cooler, and there's people selling. There's no
Speaker 1: laws in Washington. Washington Square Park is like there's no law.
Speaker 1: Nobody has a permit except for me.
Speaker 3: I have a permit. If anyone asks, oh, I'm sure.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: There often are not often, but sometimes there are.
Speaker 2: Park cops quote unquote, not real cops, but park enforcers
Speaker 2: or rangers or whatever.
Speaker 3: And they do come because it's a historical landmark.
Speaker 2: So they come around and they tell you, oh, specifically this,
Speaker 2: you can't display a price, you can't do a T shirt,
Speaker 2: you can't put the T shirts on display.
Speaker 3: You can't they guys. Should They gotta be super bored.
Speaker 2: To do that. Yes, And they only come out once
Speaker 2: in a while to just let people know. And it's
Speaker 2: the same guys. So if they see you twice doing
Speaker 2: the same thing, then it's a court summons and it's
Speaker 2: And honestly, that's why I voted for Zoorn Mamdani is
Speaker 2: because he is working to help street vendors have less
Speaker 2: red tape to cut through and just make stuff like
Speaker 2: street art or street food, which is a former street
Speaker 2: art in my opinion, sure able to be more accessible
Speaker 2: and cheaper he's gonna make the process for getting a
Speaker 2: food cart license or food truck license a lot easier
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: I like the idea of a campaign that's like a
Speaker 1: dollar water bottle out of a cooler guys from Mondami.
Speaker 2: Yes, but you know what, the dollar water bottle guys,
Speaker 2: the ones that keep it cool, especially they hold this
Speaker 2: park on their shoulder. I like the idea of like
Speaker 2: all like a just like fifty of them in one room.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they they're probably a voting block.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 2: I bet that there is like the king of the
Speaker 2: one dollar water guys and he's like a political boss
Speaker 2: and he tells them to vote for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't are that. You think they're all in
Speaker 3: a network? Like, how do you get into that? I
Speaker 3: bet it's RelA you know what.
Speaker 2: I bet it's relatively lucrative because you could buy like
Speaker 2: if I go, if I go, buy like a store
Speaker 2: brand case of water, maybe like five bucks for thirty
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 3: That's twenty five bucks a case. That's pretty good. Oh
Speaker 3: excuse me, sorry, that's all problem.
Speaker 2: That is that is pretty good, but also is like
Speaker 2: you have to take into account your time, right, Like
Speaker 2: if you sell let's say five bottles of water. Let's
Speaker 2: say you sell a bottle of water every five minutes,
Speaker 2: which is pretty good, right, You're making twelve dollars an
Speaker 2: hour minus what you spent on the bottles, so let's
Speaker 2: say nine dollars an hour. It's not great, and honestly,
Speaker 2: it's not super fun. I see the guys who do it.
Speaker 2: They're not having a great time. I love them, they're
Speaker 2: they're my co workers, honestly, because we all work in
Speaker 2: the park together.
Speaker 3: But I can tell it's one of the less fun
Speaker 3: jobs to have. How often are you out here?
Speaker 2: I am out here six days a week, but one
Speaker 2: one week on, one week off. So I come out
Speaker 2: for six days and then I retract for six days.
Speaker 3: What do you do?
Speaker 5: What do you? What do you do?
Speaker 3: When you retract? I make more art pieces. I normally
Speaker 3: only do very limited editions.
Speaker 2: So I'll do five prints of a new design, and
Speaker 2: then once they sell out, I'll just turn it into
Speaker 2: a sticker.
Speaker 3: But it'll never exist as a print again.
Speaker 2: Sure, so I spent I spend the week cooking up,
Speaker 2: you know, fifteen twenty new designs, printing stuff out. I've
Speaker 2: been because I'm still very new to this. I'm like
Speaker 2: in my second month of doing it. So I'm still
Speaker 2: like upgrading all of my stuff. I'm about to have
Speaker 2: my stickers laminated so that they'll be more scratch and
Speaker 2: dustproof and whatnot. They're currently they're waterproof, but they're not
Speaker 2: They're not as good as they could be. And you know,
Speaker 2: I'm part of an art collective called b YOBF. Shout
Speaker 2: out Perry Mason, shout out oxy here.
Speaker 3: What is BYO? Well, I'm gonna guess B why Oh,
Speaker 3: bring your own best friend? You're super closed. It's be
Speaker 3: your own best threat.
Speaker 2: That sounds depressing, you know what, It's actually really inspirational
Speaker 2: and it kind of u is parallel to a form
Speaker 2: of existentialism that I really or nihilism that I really like,
Speaker 2: which is optimistic nihilism.
Speaker 3: Optimistic nihilism. I love it. Yeah, yeah, we're at we're
Speaker 3: on that train at a little bit. And so I
Speaker 3: can give you the backstory behind it. Actually, go ahead.
Speaker 2: So my good friend Perry Mason, who's a successful and
Speaker 2: up and coming musician, he invited some people that were
Speaker 2: old friends to a.
Speaker 3: To a show.
Speaker 2: And he invited some old friends to a show and
Speaker 2: they didn't show up and he got really upset and
Speaker 2: he went home and he wrote b YOBFB youre on
Speaker 2: best friend all over his walls and ever since then,
Speaker 2: that's been the brand, that's been the collective.
Speaker 3: We're working on it.
Speaker 1: Oh, his friends didn't come to his show, so he
Speaker 1: has to be his own friends. And but do you
Speaker 1: know what it really inspired me when I heard that song?
Speaker 3: Yeah right.
Speaker 2: The idea is, you have to be your biggest supporter.
Speaker 2: You have to be the person who believes in you
Speaker 2: the most. You can't wait on somebody else to believe
Speaker 2: in you. They got their own arms going on. And
Speaker 2: so you know, it kind of goes into my name Strut,
Speaker 2: which is all about confidence and about yeah really, what
Speaker 2: I say about Strutt is is like, if you don't
Speaker 2: walk out of your apartment or your house every single morning,
Speaker 2: truly believing and acting.
Speaker 3: Like you are the shit, like you are the best
Speaker 3: las well you got you, you will never be the
Speaker 3: ship you. Well, you gotta have a you.
Speaker 1: I think there's an optimal amount of thinking you're the
Speaker 1: ship and you gotta you know, I mean, no one
Speaker 1: likes someone who doesn't hate themselves a little bit.
Speaker 2: You have to hate yourself a little bit. Does it
Speaker 2: seem like I don't hate myself, You probably hate yourself
Speaker 2: a little bit. All I can tell you I can.
Speaker 1: I can tell you hate yourself a little bit only
Speaker 1: because hating yourself a little bit is a natural trade.
Speaker 2: I believe of all super ambitious people, yes, and the
Speaker 2: parts of myself that I hate, the parts that are
Speaker 2: unable to achieve my creative goals. And like the parts,
Speaker 2: the good parts come up with all these great ideas,
Speaker 2: and the parts that are bad hold me back from
Speaker 2: creating those ideas. And that's why I've been working to
Speaker 2: work with my problems. You know, one thing that I learned,
Speaker 2: I learned and as a new media major, I had
Speaker 2: to take programming class, and I fucking hate programming.
Speaker 3: It's like computer programming. Oh AI is gonna do all
Speaker 3: that stuff.
Speaker 5: At all?
Speaker 3: Anyways. Point by the way, I just I don't think
Speaker 3: I think I will do that.
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's gonna take away Like art,
Speaker 1: though I agree, I don't think it's gonna take away.
Speaker 2: I think that if you, as an artist, are worried
Speaker 2: about AI replacing your art, you either have to believe
Speaker 2: in yourself more or make better art.
Speaker 3: I think it'll I think I will probably take away
Speaker 3: like a lot of commercial arts.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's art. I think that that is
Speaker 2: just both like commodifiable visuals. That's not art, a lot
Speaker 2: of commodifiable visuals. But as far as like like like
Speaker 2: when you go when you buy tickets to see like
Speaker 2: as a comedian, or when you buy a piece from
Speaker 2: an artist, you you're you're buying more than just the
Speaker 2: you're buying, you know, you it's like that.
Speaker 3: It's like it's that person, you know, and only people
Speaker 3: can be people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like when when when the company is like, oh,
Speaker 2: I need a logo for my for you know, my
Speaker 2: fucking bank or whatever.
Speaker 3: That's That's that's how I feel about it. To curse.
Speaker 3: Some say you can curse. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's not PBS work after all. How you guys doing,
Speaker 2: how do you feel? You know, well, there's a bunch
Speaker 2: of guys. Why did you get back here? There's a
Speaker 2: bunch of guys behind us, these guys you love anybody
Speaker 2: high five bro and war and.
Speaker 3: War piece everybody just.
Speaker 4: Like that.
Speaker 1: Send those guys to the fucking the battlefields, you know.
Speaker 1: I bet I bet those guys. I bet those guys
Speaker 1: could bring peace to the world. You know what in
Speaker 1: a heartbeat, one high five at a time, one high
Speaker 1: five at a time.
Speaker 3: I love it so much.
Speaker 2: Judah Jebediah. Judah Jebediah. Jebediah was a bullfrog. He was
Speaker 2: a good friend of mine. Who are your favorite artists?
Speaker 2: Before we go, I'll give a couple of visual artists.
Speaker 2: I really love Richard Prince. He's very controversial.
Speaker 3: Why why is it controversial?
Speaker 2: He takes other people's artwork and he reframes it. He
Speaker 2: gives a new meaning, sure and calls it his own
Speaker 2: and is very successful with it.
Speaker 3: But some people don't like that.
Speaker 1: For the record, if anyone ever, if anyone wants to
Speaker 1: take this exact podcast and re upload it on YouTube
Speaker 1: and put like a really grainy filter on it and
Speaker 1: some low fi hip hop underneath it, if you can
Speaker 1: find a way to make money doing that, you go ahead.
Speaker 3: I don't give I'm gonna make a YouTube channel doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, grany low fi hip hop therapy Gecko re
Speaker 1: uploads one million. If you can do that and it
Speaker 1: adds value to your life in any way, shape or form,
Speaker 1: then then go ahead.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm doing new media. So I'm studying all these
Speaker 2: different facets of art and all this.
Speaker 1: If you can do one, if you can do one,
Speaker 1: if you can make a YouTube channel where it's this
Speaker 1: podcast but it's got the Simpsons theme on a loop
Speaker 1: underneath it at twelve decibel volume.
Speaker 3: I don't go ahead, whatever, you know what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna use the curve function and make us look
Speaker 2: like pieces of glitch art moving glitch art.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, and then I'm gonna lower the octaves.
Speaker 2: And when one person is talking, when when you're talking,
Speaker 2: you're gonna talk really and I really high pitch.
Speaker 3: And then when the guest is talking, they're gonna talk.
Speaker 3: Fuck it up. Who gives that? We're gonna have so much? Yeah,
Speaker 3: remix it. I love It's fine. That's a spirit of
Speaker 3: sweet like people well, people like uh.
Speaker 1: Like sometimes I'm gonna DM where someone's like, hey, this
Speaker 1: guy is reposting all your reels.
Speaker 3: Awesome. It's fine. You know. It's by the way, that's good.
Speaker 1: That is if if my goal is that I want
Speaker 1: as many people to see the thing as possible, who
Speaker 1: gives a shit?
Speaker 3: Yeah you know, it's not like we're getting money off
Speaker 3: of Instagram anyways. Yeah. Also that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's like, so I you know, I don't really make
Speaker 1: money off of like the platforms themselves.
Speaker 3: As a hundred percent. You know what I really like
Speaker 3: is like YouTubers participating in edit culture. You know what
Speaker 3: I mean? Yeah, YouTube poops.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah exactly, And like the evolution of that, and
Speaker 2: like I know, there are a lot of YouTubers that
Speaker 2: will like take a second in each video or in
Speaker 2: every every show video and be like, Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 2: edit form for a second and just like flip their
Speaker 2: hair and have fun YadA, YadA, YadA, and they always
Speaker 2: watch and repost and like the the and it just
Speaker 2: creates the edits and whatnot.
Speaker 3: It creates a sense of community and gathering and like
Speaker 3: that's what art is all about.
Speaker 1: It's funny, like like I don't know, you take like
Speaker 1: a like like how many times you go on YouTube
Speaker 1: and you see a Family Guy clip or like a
Speaker 1: whole like Family Guy funny episode complation and it's uploaded
Speaker 1: by like Shadow the Hedgehog fifty two or whatever. And
Speaker 1: it's like if Fox went around and took all those down,
Speaker 1: that'd be bad. That would be bad for it's good
Speaker 1: to have it means more people are gonna see your ship,
Speaker 1: more people are gonna like your ship.
Speaker 3: You know, where do you think we go when we die? Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's never mind.
Speaker 2: I'm good for that question, right, I'm a smart Okay,
Speaker 2: al right, you don't have to be smart to answer
Speaker 2: that question. Yeah, but I think that you have to
Speaker 2: be open to looking at your emotions instead of just
Speaker 2: choosing the most comfortable.
Speaker 3: Do you think you can answer it in twenty seconds?
Speaker 1: Because I think if I have another conversation about death,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cry my sleep.
Speaker 2: Give me countdown from twenty I'm gonna all right, here's
Speaker 2: what I think about what happens after we die.
Speaker 3: I think that it doesn't fucking matter.
Speaker 2: I think that you should choose to live your life
Speaker 2: the way that it makes sense for you to live it,
Speaker 2: and the way that makes other people and yourself the
Speaker 2: happiest and the most comfortable.
Speaker 3: And if there is a god, and if there is
Speaker 3: an afterlife, if.
Speaker 2: He disagrees with my morals, then hell will probably not
Speaker 2: be hell, and Heaven will probably not be heaven.
Speaker 3: He'll just choose the right place for me. So you
Speaker 3: know that's some quote where it's like any all right.
Speaker 1: It's like if God, if God is the kind of
Speaker 1: guy that you know sends you to hell fire for
Speaker 1: you know, masturbating or whatever, then he's probably a dick.
Speaker 1: I don't want to worship him anyway. That's my that's
Speaker 1: that's our remix of whatever.
Speaker 3: You know what I you know what I think as
Speaker 3: like an agnostic Jewish person. Oh you're Jewish? Let mother
Speaker 3: fucking him? Hi him. It's a it's a Shabbat.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 3: Friday night. You were actually here for the beginning of Shabbat.
Speaker 3: Somebody asked me the other day what Shabbat is. I
Speaker 3: didn't know how to tell him.
Speaker 2: It's like it's time of rest and reflection. And we
Speaker 2: Jews were very neurotic. We're always running around doing things.
Speaker 2: We have to take time to reflect and recombobulate and uh, decompress.
Speaker 3: Is anxiety a Jewish thing? Are you anxious? Judaism is
Speaker 3: an anxious thing. Anxiety is not a Jewish thing? Do
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: It's pretty fair to say is a blanket statement. Jews
Speaker 2: are anxious overall trend, but not all anxious people are juice.
Speaker 2: Of course, they might enjoy Judaism or benefit from Judaism,
Speaker 2: but they aren't necessarily jewice.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's like the whole? Do you think
Speaker 1: it's like the constant, like like we're always like escaping
Speaker 1: from some bullshit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that that's life, you know, where
Speaker 2: we're escaping and we're confronting, and we're escaping and we're confronting.
Speaker 2: That is because doing all of one or all of
Speaker 2: the other is not fun, reproductive, or healthy. You know
Speaker 2: one thing that I learned while I was tripping on
Speaker 2: shrooms my grandma's hot tub.
Speaker 3: You live a hilarious life. Yeah, that to the maximum,
Speaker 3: to the maximum. Your grandma is a hot Does your
Speaker 3: grandma live in Manhattan?
Speaker 1: To Grandma, I was about to say, if your grandma
Speaker 1: had a hot tub in Manhattan, you just gotta you
Speaker 1: just gotta you know, No, she lives in getting that
Speaker 1: you gotta get in that will she.
Speaker 3: Lives in upstate New York.
Speaker 2: But I was tripping on chums with my best friend
Speaker 2: and I was in the hot tub and I felt
Speaker 2: like this warm blanket of sunlight but then the cool
Speaker 2: but also the hot water, and I was just it
Speaker 2: made me realize that like life is about balancing things
Speaker 2: and like if.
Speaker 3: Little is good.
Speaker 2: More must be better, but not too much, you know,
Speaker 2: and all of these different things, and I realized that, like, yes,
Speaker 2: they're the things that I enjoy, but I have to
Speaker 2: balance them the things that I have to do that
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily enjoy in order for them to mean anything.
Speaker 2: You know, if everybody loves each other all the time,
Speaker 2: then love doesn't mean anything because it's just the norm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree. There is a balance. You can't
Speaker 3: just like hate or hell in order for love or
Speaker 3: heaven to exist. Yeah, I guess that's true. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: guess that's true. I agree. I agree with you.
Speaker 1: And that's and it's kind of what I was just
Speaker 1: what we were just talking about a little bit with
Speaker 1: like the like labeling people and whatever. You have to
Speaker 1: have a little bit of you have to make because again,
Speaker 1: if you're like all peaceful and spiritual all the time,
Speaker 1: you're just gonna if you're like all peaceful and spiritual
Speaker 1: and conscious all the time, you're gonna be incompatible with
Speaker 1: the actual world that you live in, which is going
Speaker 1: to the grocery store sometimes and taking ships and saying
Speaker 1: hello to some guys sometimes, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you stop it stop signing like you don't live
Speaker 1: in the ethereal plane, so you gotta be you.
Speaker 3: Know personal personally, I do my best to live in
Speaker 3: the ethereal plane every day.
Speaker 1: That's too much. Yeah, I I live in the ethereal
Speaker 1: plane all day, but I don't like it. One of
Speaker 1: these days, I just want to be like I like,
Speaker 1: I like when I'm not in the ethereal plane.
Speaker 2: I what I like to do is I canpartmentalize, so
Speaker 2: I'll live in the ethereal plane some days and then
Speaker 2: work so that I can live in the ethereal plane
Speaker 2: on the other days.
Speaker 1: Like I think I was pissed off about something stupid,
Speaker 1: and I was pissed off about what was I pissed
Speaker 1: off from.
Speaker 3: You gotta be like a get go man. You gotta
Speaker 3: let it flow off your back like water. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: I I like being pissed off. Now, it's good. That's
Speaker 3: very Jewish. No it's not.
Speaker 1: I promise it's not Jewish. I promise it's not Jewish.
Speaker 1: It's here's here's let me tell you why I'm like
Speaker 1: being pissed off. Sometimes it's because, like like the last
Speaker 1: you know, all right here, let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: So there's a bit of a bell curve. I believe
Speaker 1: to consciousness, and at the beginning, at the beginning of
Speaker 1: a bell curve is like, uh, like every little thing
Speaker 1: pisses you, like like a very low amount of conscious
Speaker 1: Like you're just getting pissed off by everything.
Speaker 3: You're like, Oh, the fucking line is too long at
Speaker 3: this store. I always cut lines.
Speaker 2: Come on, I don't know why you always cut lines that?
Speaker 2: Do you really just just most of the that's such
Speaker 2: a dick move.
Speaker 3: Why do you cut in lines? Okay, you've ever seen
Speaker 3: the like here here, here's why I cut the line.
Speaker 3: I can't defend you on that. Most of the time,
Speaker 3: it's a mob anyways.
Speaker 2: Like if it's like a really organized line and it's
Speaker 2: big and it's moving fast, fine, right, And if there's
Speaker 2: like there's like things going on. But like, for example,
Speaker 2: like when everybody's just moving towards an escalator and it's
Speaker 2: people are forming a line, Fuck that line, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: just go on the escalator.
Speaker 1: Like, Okay, if if I'll tell you this, if if
Speaker 1: I'm in a situation where there's a big crowd and
Speaker 1: we're all yes getting something like we're getting into an escalator,
Speaker 1: and I see that the most optimal way for me
Speaker 1: to exist in this formation, and that's the goal that
Speaker 1: we're attempting it as a crowd, to make it a
Speaker 1: clean formation. If that goal requires me to be in
Speaker 1: front of this guy, I would do that occasionally.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 1: But if we're like if I'm like like, okay, we're
Speaker 1: like in line at a fucking taco stand or whatever,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna cut the fucking taco stand.
Speaker 3: Oh No, that's what I'm talking about. But like, for example,
Speaker 3: have you heard of the chat and cut? Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: a Larry David thing. I you chatting, don't know. No,
Speaker 3: I think that's an amateur move. Amateur amateur move. I
Speaker 3: think that. No, I'm serious. I'm dead serious. The chatt
Speaker 3: and cut is an amateur What do you do? What
Speaker 3: do you do to cut lines? Here's what you do.
Speaker 2: You stand there as if you're not online on your phone,
Speaker 2: and then when the line moves forward, you step forward.
Speaker 3: No, that's such a dick move. Highly disagree with that.
Speaker 2: And here's here's here. You want to hear some examples
Speaker 2: of the way of music, because I don't use it everywhere,
Speaker 2: but I'll give you some examples and you tell me
Speaker 2: if you think it was addiculation. Sure, the British Museum. Okay,
Speaker 2: we were online to get into the bare you it
Speaker 2: was in Britain, in London, Yes, in London.
Speaker 3: Yes. You can't do that. You can't.
Speaker 2: It's even worse. You can't go to a foreign country
Speaker 2: and start being.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 3: You know you're in Italy. Look, you grew up in
Speaker 3: New York.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So like if you cut in line at
Speaker 1: some hot dog stand here, that would be I think
Speaker 1: that would be a dick move. But to go to
Speaker 1: a foreign country and start being a dick there makes
Speaker 1: it so much worse.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 2: The way I feel is like, fuck the British and
Speaker 2: fuck specifically the British Museum.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 2: Come on, but it's not hold on. But it's about
Speaker 2: the people, right, You're not okay, you're not. You're not
Speaker 2: fucking over the British when you cut in line. Of course,
Speaker 2: you're fucking over the other people, Okay, But it's you're
Speaker 2: talking about disrespected in other countries. It's not about the
Speaker 2: other country. First of all, it's not about it's not
Speaker 2: about the other country.
Speaker 1: There's other people waiting in the line who want to
Speaker 1: see the British Museum, and you're not better than them,
Speaker 1: so you gotta wait in the fucking line.
Speaker 2: Everybody has time tickets, and most of the people in
Speaker 2: that line I was listening to. I was standing at
Speaker 2: the back of the line listening to them, and everyone
Speaker 2: was like talking about how they were trying to get
Speaker 2: tickets on the way in. And I told the first
Speaker 2: couple of people and then they left to the other
Speaker 2: bigger line or left to not come. But then it
Speaker 2: got to a certain point where it was moving so
Speaker 2: slowly because every single person was having an argument with
Speaker 2: them about oh I needed Like I didn't know that
Speaker 2: I had to have a time ticket.
Speaker 3: You didn't mark this properly, X, Y and Z. Wait,
Speaker 3: what's another example? I was another example when you cut
Speaker 3: in line.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give you another example. I was at a
Speaker 2: concert and they had a merch table and the concert.
Speaker 2: Then the line for the merch table was crazy long.
Speaker 2: I didn't want any merch. I just wanted a poncha
Speaker 2: because it was raining and it was an outdoor concert.
Speaker 2: So I stood at the front of the line and
Speaker 2: asked people like, yo, can I give you five dollars
Speaker 2: you buy.
Speaker 3: Me a poncha. Oh my god, it worked. It worked, Juda.
Speaker 3: I mean you have to give them five dollars. It worked, Juda. Judah,
Speaker 3: I know it so literally, I will.
Speaker 1: I've been like in like I'll go to Chipotle and
Speaker 1: I'll wait in line for the whatever the thing, like
Speaker 1: I to get my burrito, and then afterwards, I'm like, oh, crap,
Speaker 1: I forgot napkins. I gotta ask them for napkins. And
Speaker 1: some people they cut. They're like, hey, they cut them.
Speaker 1: They go to the front line like, hey, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to ask for napkins. Wait in line, yeah, to
Speaker 1: ask for the napkins.
Speaker 3: Can I be real with you, bro, and I think
Speaker 3: that my opinion is equally as valid as yours. You're
Speaker 3: a sucker for that. No, it's a I disagree. I disagree.
Speaker 3: I like, okay, you know you know what you're like,
Speaker 3: You're like, I know what kind of okay you have?
Speaker 3: Do you fly? Do you fly?
Speaker 2: Fly?
Speaker 4: On?
Speaker 5: You fly?
Speaker 3: Sometimes?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You ever get the person who's like you, the person's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm late for my flight. Can I cut
Speaker 1: in front of you at t s A? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: cannot imagine having.
Speaker 3: The goal to do that. I understand it.
Speaker 1: I said I would, I would, I would miss the
Speaker 1: flight and waste a bunch of money having to get
Speaker 1: a new one before I did that, not even and
Speaker 1: and that's that's not even actually I'll say this, And
Speaker 1: that's not like me being like a fucking holier than now. Guy,
Speaker 1: that's just me that I mean, that's me social anxiety,
Speaker 1: not even social anxiety.
Speaker 2: But it's like just to have the nerve. We have
Speaker 2: the nerve because motherfucker, we all want to get on them.
Speaker 2: We all want to get to our flights. I think
Speaker 2: that we are both taking hyperbolic stances that are unrealistic
Speaker 2: for regular people's lives.
Speaker 3: I know, I disagree. I think you're I think you're wrong. No,
Speaker 3: I think I don't think. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I also think you're necessary. Okay, let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: I don't think I think you're one hundred percent wrong.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm necessarily right. I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: necessarily wrong either. But I think you're one hundred percent right.
Speaker 1: And I can I give you another version of the
Speaker 1: chapot example. You were, yeah, and I have to go
Speaker 1: I have to go home.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: I cut the line in Chipotle And here's how I
Speaker 3: do it. I go on door dash and I order
Speaker 3: it pick up order fifteen minutes before I get that,
Speaker 3: cutting the line. Yeah, but it is cutting the line.
Speaker 3: You Okay, go ahead, I'll let you finish.
Speaker 2: It's the same exact thing, because they're gonna get the
Speaker 2: order and make it. They're gonna get the order before
Speaker 2: someone who got into the shop before you even thought
Speaker 2: about getting the burrito has gotten to the front yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's fair. But that's fair because you are
Speaker 1: taking advantage of a system that the person who is
Speaker 1: waiting in line could have also taken advantage of.
Speaker 3: You're got, You're got.
Speaker 1: You're operating within the established system, operating within the when
Speaker 1: you were operating within an established form of order.
Speaker 3: Right when you cut the line. If we take social
Speaker 3: mediums out of it, we think about you like what's
Speaker 3: right and what's wrong? Sure?
Speaker 2: Right, the same kind of like financial system that allowed
Speaker 2: me to make the door dash right, uh huh?
Speaker 3: Pick up. It's just a social system that says that
Speaker 3: I can't cut in line.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I I really I love this pit and
Speaker 2: I can't keep it up anymore. I don't cut in line.
Speaker 2: Wait a bit, yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: This whole thing was a bit. Yeah, I love you
Speaker 3: should wait wait this was a bit. Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I just came. It's a terrible bit. How would you
Speaker 3: do this? Sorry?
Speaker 2: We laughed, we had fun, we love we did laugh.
Speaker 2: But everyone on the podcast, everyone is good. Everyone's gonna
Speaker 2: hate you now, okay, that's I'm okay with that. You know,
Speaker 2: you know, like you're not doing something right if you're
Speaker 2: not getting haters, and like, honestly, they'll probably they'll probably
Speaker 2: get game community by like showing each other the video.
Speaker 2: Look at this dumb ass he cuts in the live.
Speaker 2: He's an asshole. People will be the overall will be better.
Speaker 2: And honestly, like when if people clip that, I'll be like,
Speaker 2: oh if you look at the NS And I was joking.
Speaker 3: And can I can I clip this please? Because I
Speaker 3: was thinking, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I stick a while we having this antagonic can
Speaker 1: I actually I'm gonna tell you so, I'm gonna this
Speaker 1: is I might tell you me a hundred seriously you
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: I was thinking, I was like, this would be a
Speaker 3: good clip, but I know that if I clip it,
Speaker 3: it's just.
Speaker 1: Gonna I've had I've had a time where I've done
Speaker 1: this podcast where I was in Portugal and I had
Speaker 1: this uh lady on and I made a clip of
Speaker 1: her and I posted the clip and the clip like
Speaker 1: did well, it performed well, but all of the comments
Speaker 1: were just like fuck this lady, she sucks, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't like that's like, that's not what I'm like
Speaker 1: going for. I don't like feel comfortable with that, Like
Speaker 1: that's not the kind of like what that's not like
Speaker 1: what I'm That's really not what I'm trying to be about.
Speaker 1: So I deleted the clip and I was thinking just now,
Speaker 1: I was like, this would be a good clip, but
Speaker 1: if I post it, everyone in the comments is gonna
Speaker 1: be like the fuck this guy, this guy sucks and
Speaker 1: I'm not about That's not what I'm about.
Speaker 3: I'm not, I don't I'm not sure. I don't want
Speaker 3: to like yours get views that way. Yeah, but if
Speaker 3: you're telling me, yes, I am.
Speaker 2: But if you're saying to me you would you actively
Speaker 2: I would want to subject yourself to that, then I will.
Speaker 3: Then I'm then I'll consider it.
Speaker 2: I would love if you would consider it, and you
Speaker 2: could even include a little bit at the end where
Speaker 2: I said, now, I was just joking. If you felt
Speaker 2: like that was maybe okay, you know what, you know
Speaker 2: what I was, you know what, Maybe I could yeah,
Speaker 2: or you clip you could put in the description like X,
Speaker 2: Y and Z by the way he was joking or whatever.
Speaker 2: No one's gonna see that, no, of course, but then
Speaker 2: you can say, oh, why didn't you read the caption
Speaker 2: before you said something? You know it's you, you know what,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'll clip it and then you hop in the comments
Speaker 1: in your merch thing. I love it and then you'll see.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if that'll work for you. I
Speaker 1: think you'll get like hate bomb. I think people will
Speaker 1: get upset with you.
Speaker 2: You know what. And that's more views for me, baby,
Speaker 2: I love it, and you know what, Like, if you
Speaker 2: guys want to go on my Instagram and give me
Speaker 2: some hate, I love it. Honestly. My only request is
Speaker 2: just be specific about what you dislike. They're no, they
Speaker 2: don't do that.
Speaker 3: They don't do it. No, they don't. They don't get specific.
Speaker 3: I'm just like if you guys, If you guys are
Speaker 3: not specific, then I will be specific. But that's okay.
Speaker 2: I like and honestly, like I love everybody, and I
Speaker 2: do it for the love of the game. I do
Speaker 2: everything for the love of the game. Judah, Judah, Judah.
Speaker 2: Nice to meet you, Judas. Want to say to the
Speaker 2: people the computer before we go.
Speaker 3: Yo, follow strut dot NYC.
Speaker 2: If you want to see some great, amazing art, come
Speaker 2: to the Washington Square Park Fountain. I'm here all the time,
Speaker 2: every other week, six days a week. I rocket, I
Speaker 2: roll it, I squish it, I squash it. Piece of Love,
Speaker 2: rock and roll. Nice to meet you, Judith.
Speaker 3: Very nice to lead you. Take care brother.
Speaker 1: What's your name. I'm Belle, Belle, Nice to meet you.
Speaker 1: How's life going, bell It's it's going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very cool. So that we don't have that could
Speaker 3: be it.
Speaker 5: I mean, how's your life going.
Speaker 3: My life's going all right?
Speaker 5: How's the whole gecko thing?
Speaker 3: So it's just fun?
Speaker 5: That's good.
Speaker 3: It could be it. That could be the whole com week.
Speaker 3: That could be it.
Speaker 5: I don't know how this works. I don't know how
Speaker 5: this works.
Speaker 3: How does this work?
Speaker 1: Well? What are you doing in the park? How many
Speaker 1: people tell you that you look like Raven from Teen
Speaker 1: Titans a Day?
Speaker 5: Never heard that before?
Speaker 3: Shut up?
Speaker 1: You never heard that, But you've never heard that before
Speaker 1: you You're I'm talking to her friend off screen?
Speaker 3: Do you or do you agree with that? They said
Speaker 3: they can see that? Do you? Can you see it?
Speaker 5: I don't know today I got Wednesday, Adam.
Speaker 3: So how do you feel about these comparisons? Do you
Speaker 3: do they?
Speaker 5: I don't care. I mean I take it as a comp.
Speaker 3: Okay, good god, what do you What are you doing
Speaker 3: out in the park today?
Speaker 5: Just hanging out with my friend? I mean, I didn't
Speaker 5: even plan to say this late, but then I don't know.
Speaker 5: I saw you. I thought you before you had like
Speaker 5: the Gecko suit on. I thought you were like gonna
Speaker 5: cosplay Shrek or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I get. A lot a lot of
Speaker 1: people come up to me when I'm just wearing the
Speaker 1: like I just have the face paint on, and people
Speaker 1: are like, are you Shrek? Or someone will be like, oh,
Speaker 1: are you the Hulk? Or like I get like this
Speaker 1: I get when I'm wearing the costume or I'm wearing
Speaker 1: just the paint. I get a rotation of the same
Speaker 1: five things said to me constantly, and I don't have
Speaker 1: a clever thing to say back. So here's what I
Speaker 1: normally say I usually or something like I'll be walking
Speaker 1: and something like why is your face screen?
Speaker 2: And should be like, I'm a crazy green guy, and
Speaker 2: I'll just keep walking.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 1: If someone's like, oh, I've seen your videos and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: thank you, I appreciate it. But if it's just someone
Speaker 1: who's like, why is your face screen? Sometimes sometimes I'll
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I was doing interviews in the park.
Speaker 1: But normally I'll just be like I'm crazy. That, which
Speaker 1: works too. It's a little true.
Speaker 3: That could be it. That could be the whole conversation.
Speaker 1: No, you seem like you want You've been standing over
Speaker 1: there the entire time I've been doing this.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know how this works.
Speaker 3: I was just like, you asked me another, ask me
Speaker 3: another question.
Speaker 5: How'd you get into this?
Speaker 3: Wait? What do you study? What do you do with
Speaker 3: your life?
Speaker 1: Do you study something? Do you work at something? Do
Speaker 1: you yeah, fashion or study fashion? Oh you're an F
Speaker 1: I T yeah, I almost went to F. I t
Speaker 1: oh what I have to Okay, I was about it.
Speaker 1: I almost went that by a different film. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we talked about this a little bit. I almost went
Speaker 1: that by different film. I was talking to my parents
Speaker 1: about it. My dad my parents were both like, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be the only straight man at the entire.
Speaker 5: That's not true.
Speaker 3: Is that true?
Speaker 5: I mean, you would definitely be a minority. But that's
Speaker 5: definitely not true. I will say, if you're a straight
Speaker 5: man there, all all the girls come to you because
Speaker 5: there's so many girls.
Speaker 3: Is that true? Is that true? Do all the girls come?
Speaker 3: Is that how?
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 3: Is that really how that works?
Speaker 5: Unfortunately? Yes?
Speaker 3: Or is it more like.
Speaker 1: Or is it like teacher hot you know where, Like
Speaker 1: it's like they're around, so they're hotter.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, the teachers?
Speaker 3: Well, like you know what I mean, Like, uh, how
Speaker 3: do I say this?
Speaker 1: Like okay, whatever, Like yeah, it's because because uh, there's
Speaker 1: so few men around. You mean, that's that's who you're
Speaker 1: forced to find attractive. Is just who's there?
Speaker 5: Yeah, basically, But I mean that's kind of what happens.
Speaker 5: Like I feel like I feel like half the girls
Speaker 5: sleep with like the same like five guys at least
Speaker 5: from what I've heard.
Speaker 3: So, dude, what do the guys study?
Speaker 5: They study fashion, all different types of things. I don't know, Okay,
Speaker 5: I don't I don't talk to the guys that much
Speaker 5: except for him, and he's gay.
Speaker 3: So what do you think is the future of fashion?
Speaker 5: AI will probably take over and none of us will
Speaker 5: have jobs anymore.
Speaker 3: So really you think?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I mean it's already happening.
Speaker 3: So what and how do you believe it's started happening?
Speaker 5: I mean every time I open my phone, I'm like,
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, this is a cool like fashion runway,
Speaker 5: and then I'm like, wait, this is Ai?
Speaker 3: But there was like it's AI is in like like
Speaker 3: the runway is AI? Or the closer AI?
Speaker 5: Like the whole video was AI.
Speaker 3: Did?
Speaker 1: Did a human at least prompt it? Because here let
Speaker 1: me tell well, I guess sorry, let me say here's
Speaker 1: my here's kind of my thoughts about AI is like
Speaker 1: I've seen that like the genuinely good things I've seen.
Speaker 2: With AI, because like, all right, you can go into
Speaker 2: chat GBT, right and you can be like make a
Speaker 2: dress that looks cool and one hundred percent of the time.
Speaker 3: It's gonna make something that's like kind of lame.
Speaker 1: But like the fun the things I've seen with AI
Speaker 1: that are like genuinely funny, I'm like, Okay, I like
Speaker 1: I can tell that that like the tools used to
Speaker 1: make that, to like to generate this, uh, were AI.
Speaker 1: But I can tell that a human being who is
Speaker 1: funny must be orchestrating this. But a great example is
Speaker 1: I think it's called like fat Fellas on Instagram Fat
Speaker 1: Fella Season or something. It's just like a it's these
Speaker 1: AI videos of these like ob guys like doing heists
Speaker 1: and like riding on yachts and stuff, and it's super
Speaker 1: funny and it's all AI generated, but it's you can
Speaker 1: tell that a funny person use.
Speaker 3: AI to make it.
Speaker 1: So I guess we could live in a world where like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: people are using AI, but you can tell that there
Speaker 1: is human intent behind the tools.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I get what you're saying. I feel
Speaker 5: like half of like the memes on my Instagram or
Speaker 5: AI now, but.
Speaker 3: It's like but they're funny, but they have they're funny
Speaker 3: enough where you can.
Speaker 2: Yeah made it some some the ethos of it was
Speaker 2: created in a human's mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I don't know. Do you agree with that
Speaker 3: or I do think I'm being bullshitty right now.
Speaker 1: You can fight back by the way you said you
Speaker 1: didn't know how this works, but you can you can
Speaker 1: fight back if you disagree with anything I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I mean, I I don't disagree. I mean I sometimes
Speaker 5: I'm just like scrolling and I think the AI stuff
Speaker 5: is funny and like sometimes like not even funny, Like
Speaker 5: my mom always sends me like cute videos to animals
Speaker 5: that are like obviously AI.
Speaker 3: That stuff I don't like.
Speaker 2: I don't like like I don't like like the AI
Speaker 2: animals like AI hot girls.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that that makes me cringe.
Speaker 3: That makes it I don't like that at all.
Speaker 5: I like, Yeah, there's like certain things about that that
Speaker 5: like ick me out because there's like this new thing
Speaker 5: where like people are like AI like like I guess,
Speaker 5: like deefaking, like people with like disabilities and like down
Speaker 5: syndrome for like only fans, Like I don't know, it's
Speaker 5: like this weird thing.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of yeah, like oh well, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of like only fans like uh like like where
Speaker 1: it's like it's like a lady's only fans, she's like
Speaker 1: chatting with people, but it's not yeah yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: which makes sense because I think if you're chatting with
Speaker 1: a lady on only fans, it's ninety nine percent of
Speaker 1: the time it's not her anyway, so naturally it would
Speaker 1: lead to the point where it's like, well, none of
Speaker 1: it is and it's just some.
Speaker 3: Guy creating a thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I mean, I like it seems new now,
Speaker 5: but like it was, like wasn't it like ten years
Speaker 5: ago that like that whole little Mickayla thing who like
Speaker 5: went viral, Like there was this girl, Lil Michayla that
Speaker 5: went viral for being like the first like AI influencer,
Speaker 5: like before AI blew up. This was like ten years ago.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Yeah I know, I know, yeah, I know
Speaker 3: it's not a new thing, but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I I do.
Speaker 1: Wonder how, I do wonder how successful those things will
Speaker 1: be because I do believe that, like you know, when
Speaker 1: you follow, like like I was thinking about it to like,
Speaker 1: like I listened to podcasts and I watch YouTube videos. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are some YouTube videos where I'm like, like, if
Speaker 1: I'm watching a like I watch a lot of like
Speaker 1: video game trivia shit, and it's like if I'm watching
Speaker 1: a video game trivia hour two hours of GameCube facts video,
Speaker 1: I probably won't notice if it's made by AI. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: but if I'm if I'm listening to a two hour
Speaker 1: long video of like a guy telling his life story
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna be able to tell if it's AI.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So it's like these things, the things that are more
Speaker 1: pure and authentic and personal, I think will persist, and
Speaker 1: the things that are impersonal, Like I was just talking
Speaker 1: to that guy Judah about like commercial art will probably be.
Speaker 3: Done by AI.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I think the art and the things
Speaker 1: that are like impersonal and inauthentic and surface level will
Speaker 1: probably be replaced. But the things that are really deep
Speaker 1: and you know, writing that's very personal and and art,
Speaker 1: and you know, even visual art and fashion that's it's
Speaker 1: personal and has stories to it, I think we'll continue
Speaker 1: to persist because people buy into those things, because they
Speaker 1: buy into the you know, the human beings behind them.
Speaker 1: You know, when I'm listening to a two hour long
Speaker 1: video about YouTube trivia, I'm just trying about about fucking
Speaker 1: GameCube trivia. I'm just trying to zone out. I'm not
Speaker 1: really connecting to anything human in that sense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I hope, I definitely hope like what
Speaker 5: you're saying stays true, But like I feel like I've
Speaker 5: already seen some stuff where like I've seen like these
Speaker 5: videos on Instagram where they look real and then they're like, oh,
Speaker 5: by the way, this is AI, Like it's like one
Speaker 5: of those like street interviews. I guess kind of like
Speaker 5: this and like sure, it like seems like personal and
Speaker 5: then they're like, wait, this is AI and they're like
Speaker 5: look at look at the fingers or whatever, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: I didn't notice that at all, and it's kind of scary.
Speaker 5: So like, I hope what you're saying stays true.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but that but the person who's using AI
Speaker 3: to make.
Speaker 1: The fake video of the person telling the fake story,
Speaker 1: that's a short term game because they're never are gonna
Speaker 1: build any I don't think you're gonna build anything long
Speaker 1: term off of that, you know, like because that's just
Speaker 1: just like if you're just usn't have to trick people,
Speaker 1: that's not gonna be a lung. Like I don't think
Speaker 1: like like people like people are listening to this podcast.
Speaker 1: We're two human beings having a conversation. If people found
Speaker 1: out that like this was AI, I don't think people
Speaker 1: would listen to this.
Speaker 5: But what if this was actually AI and they never
Speaker 5: knew Yo.
Speaker 1: That would be quite a long time I guess it's true.
Speaker 1: I guess it's true that people like this could this
Speaker 1: whole thing could be AI.
Speaker 5: Cause like it's like, you don't technically have to be
Speaker 5: like this is an AI podcast. So there could be
Speaker 5: like podcasts and videos out there that are all AI
Speaker 5: and they're just so good.
Speaker 1: But if you're doing but I think if you're doing
Speaker 1: something in the long term, people will find out if
Speaker 1: it's a I.
Speaker 5: Some people are really committed. I mean, if people can
Speaker 5: be like serial killers and like never get like found
Speaker 5: out until they're like they die or like ever.
Speaker 1: Then I get I don't know, I don't know. That
Speaker 1: would be just such a syop. You'd have to do
Speaker 1: we sure, I guess right. Like so I feel that
Speaker 1: with like music, like a lot of people are making
Speaker 1: using aadomic music. But people don't buy into music in
Speaker 1: terms of like the tracks themselves, right. People buy into
Speaker 1: the artists. They buy into the personality behind the music.
Speaker 1: They want to see the tour, they wanna, you know,
Speaker 1: collect connect with the story. They like the brand or
Speaker 1: the aesthetic that the artist.
Speaker 3: Is getting into.
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, you could probably fake someone out
Speaker 1: for a couple of years, right to be like an
Speaker 1: AI rapper or whatever the fuck.
Speaker 3: But like, I don't, I don't think you can.
Speaker 1: I think that stuff will will probably exist, but I
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna wipe out the people who are
Speaker 1: authentically attempting to make artists human beings.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean there are like AI artists, but they're
Speaker 5: not like people know their AI, right.
Speaker 3: People know their AI.
Speaker 1: And I assume that the AI artists that are very
Speaker 1: successful are people who have some level of intention behind
Speaker 1: their art and are just using the AI as the
Speaker 1: tools and are not just being like, generate a cool
Speaker 1: picture for me, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't. I don't know. You never know
Speaker 5: with the future.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, you know, we gotta know what's your
Speaker 3: name again?
Speaker 5: Bell?
Speaker 3: You know, we gotta do Bell what we gotta live
Speaker 3: in the present. Yeah, I mean we can well Bell
Speaker 3: that Ryan's That's Uh.
Speaker 2: This is it.
Speaker 3: This is the end of the podcast.
Speaker 2: Okay, is there anything else you want to say to
Speaker 2: the people the computer before we go?
Speaker 5: I know, have a great day.
Speaker 1: Thank you all for listening to the Therapy Gecko podcasts.
Speaker 1: Uh my name is Lyle, I'm a gecko.
Speaker 3: This was fun.
Speaker 2: You were here the whole time. Yeah, who do we
Speaker 2: talk to? What was the name of the first lady?
Speaker 3: Anna? Anna? No, the first guy was Kai was a Kai? No,
Speaker 3: it was Jay. First guy was Jay. Then it was Anna,
Speaker 3: and it was Judah, and then it was Bell.
Speaker 1: First time in my entire life I've remembered the names
Speaker 1: of everyone who's talked on.
Speaker 3: The on the show.
Speaker 1: Maybe that was a good That was a good gang,
Speaker 1: that was a good We had some good conversations. What
Speaker 1: do you what do you I mean, what do you
Speaker 1: think you were standing there? Did you enjoy it as
Speaker 1: a bystander?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean a lot of this stuff I heard.
Speaker 5: I was like, this is interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good enough, good enough? All right, thanks for listening.
Speaker 1: Gek Bless. I'll see you around the universe. Oh yeah
Speaker 1: on Friday. What this is coming out Sunday? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: this week I'm gonna put out my Tijuana video.
Speaker 3: So go go look out for that. I'm a get go.
Speaker 1: Everything's gonna be fine, Everything's gonna be fine, Belle. This
Speaker 1: is where it's a long outru I should just end it.
Speaker 5: Right, alright, I see your podcast it as long as you.
Speaker 3: Right, all right, it's it is. It's gonna be over
Speaker 3: in three two one now