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Speaker 1: Take that there. We will make America great again. We'll

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Speaker 1: free at eight four four nine hundred Buck. That's eight

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Speaker 1: strong voice, Buck Sexton. Democrats are coming unhinged, my friends,

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Speaker 1: By the way, team Buck, Welcome to the Freedom Hug.

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Speaker 1: it as the Left is. Because looking at this debacle

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Speaker 1: that's gone after tell me on this one, Patty, but

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Speaker 1: go ahead, okay, all right, let's let me talk you

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Speaker 1: through it. Basically, you know, we've got this vomatare light

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Speaker 1: that they're doing now because even after they told us

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Speaker 1: for seven years that they were going to fix it.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a step back. Let's look at the I

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Speaker 1: R S targeting of conservative groups. Had the shoe been

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Speaker 1: on the other foot, would that have gone and just

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Speaker 1: gone away and nobody got brought up on charges if

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Speaker 1: a Republican administration had put set the I R S

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Speaker 1: out on liberal or leftist groups that you know, wanted

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Speaker 1: to join or make you do liberal clubs or whatever. Patty,

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Speaker 1: let me can I kind of interject something because I

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Speaker 1: think you're making a very important point. Um, what do

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Speaker 1: we think is more likely to affect the outcome of

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Speaker 1: a national election? A Russian hacker getting into a couple

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Speaker 1: of email accounts of people associated with the Democratic National

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Speaker 1: can minty or your own government engaged in a verified

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Speaker 1: and undisputed targeted campaign of political suppression using the most

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Speaker 1: frightening and intrusive agency of the federal government short of

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Speaker 1: maybe the Department of Justice, but the I r S

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Speaker 1: to do it. What is more likely to affect the

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Speaker 1: outcome of an election? I R S targeting or Russian hacking.

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Speaker 1: If you ask most reporters today, I'm sure that's all

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Speaker 1: the Russian hacking, which is crazy. The I R S

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Speaker 1: people that were involved in this lowest learner in the

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Speaker 1: rest of them. They were going after the Tea Party

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Speaker 1: and patriot groups, which of course has a close correlation

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Speaker 1: with Tea Party groups because the Tea Party had just

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Speaker 1: been a part of a massive wave election in so

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Speaker 1: you know, the the political efficacy of the Tea Party

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Speaker 1: in two had already been established. Now it's twelve, they're

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Speaker 1: going to the election Obama versus Romney, and oh in

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Speaker 1: that year, you have grassroots groups that are being targeted

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Speaker 1: by the I R S. And we're supposed to believe

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Speaker 1: that that that had, you know, no no effect, no

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Speaker 1: effect whatsoever exactly. And the thing is that you have

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call him out. They did nothing. They did

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Speaker 1: absolutely they should have been running around Washington with their

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Speaker 1: hair on fire over that one. That is like your

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Speaker 1: people are being set upon by the by the strong

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Speaker 1: arm of the government, and they were silent, and they

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Speaker 1: just let those Oh yeah, we're gonna have all these

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Speaker 1: you know, hearings and this and that, and Louis Learner retired,

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Speaker 1: gets her great little package and nothing ever happened. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know. There was zero There was zero countability, zero

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Speaker 1: accountability for that. And it's and look at this, but

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Speaker 1: the same thing is going on with Trump. If you

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Speaker 1: ask me, like, I was not a Trump supporter. I

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Speaker 1: was tech creuz all the way. But hey, he's in

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Speaker 1: and you know, now I'm more like this seeing this,

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Speaker 1: this disaster of the media, what they're doing to him.

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Speaker 1: But the thing is, you don't have the establishment Republicans.

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Speaker 1: Nobody is, no one is is showing any incredulity over

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Speaker 1: any of these accusations. They're just letting it go. And

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Speaker 1: my story is the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thanks for calling in, Patty, appreciate it. Maggie

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Speaker 1: and Mississippi also on w BUV. What's going on. Maggie, Hey, Buck,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing that? I'm good, Thank you for

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Speaker 1: calling in. Tel So I got a movie quote for you.

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Speaker 1: It's a scene technically, but it's a short scene. Okay. Um,

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Speaker 1: so it goes like that, Um, would somebody please shoot

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Speaker 1: this guy? What does it look like we're doing? Missing?

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, what is

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Speaker 1: that Maureen two thousand and six starring John c Now, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I've actually never seen it is a good it's a

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Speaker 1: very good movie. It's one of the w w E

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Speaker 1: Fox and I was over there once. I think, he m, yeah,

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Speaker 1: do you know what I'm talking about? He's he's running

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Speaker 1: for office, I think, or he was in Tennessee and

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Speaker 1: he's a w w E star. He's huge, absolutely enormous

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Speaker 1: for ww that would be either Big Show or Mark Henry.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who the guy anyway, I look, is

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Speaker 1: there a guy in the w Kane Is there named Kane? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Who he was known as. He was also known as

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Speaker 1: the brother of Undertakers, one of the stage names. Oh,

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Speaker 1: and he's like six ten. He was like the biggest

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Speaker 1: guy I've ever seen. He was very nice, very friendly, gentleman.

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Speaker 1: But oh well, I believe it. Thanks for calling him, Maggie,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Shields High. Um, I gotta talk to you

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Speaker 1: about the Senate Judiciary and Loretta Lynch and where that's

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Speaker 1: gonna go. Plus there's I don't know, it's the Johnny

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Speaker 1: Depp thing that we really Johnny Depp he said he's sorry,

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Speaker 1: he's an idiot. Um, you know, I thought he was

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Speaker 1: in probably an idiot beforehand. Why do we listen to

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Speaker 1: actors about anything? I just don't understand why we conflate

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Speaker 1: celebrity with wisdom so much in this country. And it's

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Speaker 1: such an obviously flawed formula. You know. If I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out where to get I don't know, hair

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Speaker 1: care products, like maybe I would listen to Kim Kardashian

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Speaker 1: or something, But I don't really care who these people

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Speaker 1: don't know. I'm probably just defended some Kardashian fans out there. Actually,

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Speaker 1: my girlfriend's gonna yell at me. She's she thinks I

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Speaker 1: shouldn't I shouldn't speak badly at the Kardashians. All Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit a break. We'll be right back time

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Speaker 1: before this happened. And here we are now. The Senate

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Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee has opened a probe into, uh, the conduct

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Speaker 1: of former Attorney General Lauretta Lynch and her efforts to

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Speaker 1: shape the FBI's investigation into Democrat presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 1: That has been announced today. Uh. By the way, I am,

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Speaker 1: I am convinced that if if they stay on this,

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Speaker 1: they will find them cells in a very interesting place

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Speaker 1: where Loretta Lynch was clearly trying to help out Hillary.

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Speaker 1: And wouldn't by the way, just think about this for

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Speaker 1: a moment. Wouldn't it be a surprise if she wasn't

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Speaker 1: trying to help out Hillary. Keep in mind, the perception

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Speaker 1: was that Hillary, you have you can't do this hindsight thing,

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Speaker 1: you know, like the Washington Washington Post today with the

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Speaker 1: Obama Oh gosh, you should have done more. Well, you

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Speaker 1: didn't do more because he thought Hillary is gonna win

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Speaker 1: and that was more important than the Russia intrusion. That

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Speaker 1: was more important than the hacking or whatever. Um With

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Speaker 1: Loretta Lynch, she thought she would be she her her

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Speaker 1: assumption would have been play the odds everybody. Her assumption

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Speaker 1: would have been that she was helping the soon to

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Speaker 1: be president of the United States out. That's the kind

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Speaker 1: of dynamic that would push a lot of people, a

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Speaker 1: lot of folks I think, would be um tempted, if

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Speaker 1: not feel compelled for partisan reasons, but would at least

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Speaker 1: feel tempted to try to cozy up to the incoming administration. Right, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's when you put it in that context.

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Speaker 1: You're the attorney general. You have the ability to to

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Speaker 1: do a solid for the person who is within within

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Speaker 1: months of becoming the president United States, who could keep

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Speaker 1: you on as Attorney General, by the way, or or

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Speaker 1: or make you Secretary of State, or you know, do

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Speaker 1: any number of things. And also will just you know,

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Speaker 1: you'll be part of the of the connected power structure

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Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party at the very top. That is

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Speaker 1: a seductive proposition for a lot of bureaucrats, and the

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Speaker 1: moment you have a partisan, ideologically aligned bureaucrat in a

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Speaker 1: position like Loretta Lynch. Of course, of course she was

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Speaker 1: doing what she could to help Hillary Clinton. Well, just

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Speaker 1: I mean it's already been said by Comy, right, we

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Speaker 1: we already know, and Comey said, and that testament is

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Speaker 1: very important. He said, there are other things quote which

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Speaker 1: I cannot talk about yet end quote that make him worried.

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Speaker 1: That made him worried about Lynch's impartiality in that whole situation.

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Speaker 1: So that could be This is going to be very interesting.

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Speaker 1: You know, the the weaponization of the law for partisan

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Speaker 1: ends is a destructive and uh and and deeply negative

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Speaker 1: thing for the country. But Democrats have just been on

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Speaker 1: this thing and will not stop and will not give

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Speaker 1: it up, and don't care about what it's doing to

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Speaker 1: the country, to the administration, to our trust in our institutions,

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Speaker 1: to the electoral process. They don't care, right they they will,

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Speaker 1: they will burn the house down around them if they

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Speaker 1: have to on this one. But because they've been so

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Speaker 1: focused on this, and because they've had such tunnel vision

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Speaker 1: with Trump Russia collusion, obstruction, Let's get them, Let's use

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Speaker 1: the legal let's use the legal process to get him.

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Speaker 1: Let's not have any sense of fair play, any sense

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Speaker 1: of decency and patriotism and no, no, no, let's just

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Speaker 1: be complete partisan zealots. And now it's okay if you're

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Speaker 1: gonna play that game. Let's go back and look at

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Speaker 1: Hillary's conduct. Let's look at Laretta lylinchous conduct surrounding Hillary's conduct.

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Speaker 1: I think we're going to find out a lot more,

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Speaker 1: and I think the Democrats have much more to hide

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Speaker 1: on that front than anything that any Trump campaign. Eight. Oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I said yesterday that I just wait,

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Speaker 1: you know, on Monday, well, there'll be a Manafort story.

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Speaker 1: I said that offhand yesterday. If you go back and

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Speaker 1: listen to the podcast Buck Sex and with American Now

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Speaker 1: it with a friend. But I said, yeah, they'll probably

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Speaker 1: a Manafort story on Monday. No Metaphord story today Washing

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Speaker 1: Post front cover, you know, blah blah blah. I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at a Manafort shady ties. I'm just like, yeah, of course, right,

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Speaker 1: because it's because it's been a few days. Because that's

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Speaker 1: been a few days. Um. Anyway, Oh one other thing, Uh,

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Speaker 1: these are the rumors. This is a bit of a

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Speaker 1: digression here, but we've got a lot more coming up

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Speaker 1: in the next hour with David French. Enis felture. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about the Washing Post Washing Post article. Inez

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Speaker 1: has a topic that might get a very interesting audience response.

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Speaker 1: She wants to talk to you all about She's from

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Speaker 1: the Federalist Uh. And then I'm gonna talk to you

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Speaker 1: about Thucydides and the Peloponnesian War. Uh. White splaining is

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Speaker 1: now also apparently a thing. We've got a lot of

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Speaker 1: other things talk about. But Kennedy's looming retirement from the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Board. Just just follow that one away from now.

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Speaker 1: Just keep that in mind, because that will be the

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Speaker 1: political equivalent of the Peloponnesian War in this country. The

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Speaker 1: left will go crazy when a Supreme Court seat opens up.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back. The Freedom Hunt rocks online too.

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Speaker 1: You can hang out with Team Buck any time. Plus

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Speaker 1: Sexton dot com. That's Buck Sexton dot com. The Buck

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Speaker 1: is back. Welcome back, everybody. We've got David French on

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Speaker 1: the line, senior writer for National Review. He's an attorney

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Speaker 1: and a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Mr French, great

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Speaker 1: to have you, sir, Thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I would say it's French Friday, but

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Speaker 1: then I feel like everybody would expect me to play

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Speaker 1: the Marseilles or something in the background. But it's a

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Speaker 1: different kind of French. Thank you for joining us. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Um, we want to talk to you. Washington

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Speaker 1: Post article today that was the at least in the morning,

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Speaker 1: me that one of the big takeaways, other than why

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Speaker 1: is the Washington Post writing about some of the stuff

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Speaker 1: that it chooses to write about, uh, is that Obama

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Speaker 1: was not as concerned because he thought Hillary was gonna win.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I think that that everyone has

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Speaker 1: known that for a while. Is that that, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons why Obama didn't make any stern

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Speaker 1: statements is he didn't want to rock the boat. He

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Speaker 1: thought it was all going to be moot soon. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Hillary was gonna win, and you know, the business would

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Speaker 1: proceed as usual. But I'll tell you the thing that

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Speaker 1: really stood out to me was the disparity between the

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Speaker 1: apocalyptic language and description of of the Russian attack on

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Speaker 1: the system with the just kind of tiny and pitiful

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Speaker 1: response that the Obama administration made. I mean, it was

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Speaker 1: almost like they're speaking about it in terms like the

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Speaker 1: Russians that put missiles just south at the Grant and

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Speaker 1: then what they do is they respond with the kind

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Speaker 1: of retaliation that's just common and like petty international diplomatic dispute.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me like the analysis is being enhanced

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Speaker 1: after the fact because there there's a yeah, because there's

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Speaker 1: a very clear political reason for that, and we all

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Speaker 1: know what it is. They want to say that the

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Speaker 1: election was was dishonest, it was illegitimate, and Trump really

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be the president. But you know, if you're the

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Speaker 1: commander in chief, your concern is actually not supposed to

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Speaker 1: be who the next commander in chief is going to

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Speaker 1: be when it comes to national security issues. And if

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Speaker 1: Russia was engaged in what the Washington Post says it

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Speaker 1: was engaged in on the scale it was engaged in it,

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Speaker 1: I believe a quote from the article of Memory serves

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Speaker 1: is it was the political crime of the century. The

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Speaker 1: Washington Post rights, But if all that's going on, you're

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Speaker 1: the commander in chief, you have to take action right away.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's on Obama. I think that's one of

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Speaker 1: the That's again one of the big conclusions I took

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Speaker 1: away from this. He chose not to do more well

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Speaker 1: and and you saw the reason why in the article.

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Speaker 1: I thought there was a very insightful couple of paragraphs

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Speaker 1: and said, well, his foreign policy philosophy was essentially, don't

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Speaker 1: make things worse. And what and what that meant was

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Speaker 1: Putin could Putent could make things worse, but we just

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Speaker 1: couldn't really fight back strong enough or hard enough to

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Speaker 1: to uh In any way, according to Obama, sort of

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Speaker 1: U ratchet up atensions, which is a very bizarre way

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Speaker 1: to do foreign policy because it gives your it gives

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Speaker 1: your foes the initiative every single time. But again, I

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Speaker 1: I really objected as I read it to the crime

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Speaker 1: of the century language, because crime of the century would

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Speaker 1: implies that the Russian efforts in our election, which did exist,

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Speaker 1: which we're wrong, which were which America should respond to,

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Speaker 1: that they were somehow despositive to the outcome. Um no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: they were not dispositive to the outcome. Up. Uh. They

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Speaker 1: they were an aggressive act against the United States. They

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Speaker 1: were something that we should respond to. But calling at

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Speaker 1: the crime of the century implies that Putin impacted the

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Speaker 1: outcome of the election, and I there's just no evidence

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Speaker 1: for that. And that's one thing, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: where you raise A good point of the article is

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Speaker 1: obviously written from a post election standpoint of people trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out how Hillary, how Hillary lost and once

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Speaker 1: again sort of going back to the Russia. Well, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if this were true, political uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: political consultants should all figure out what magic the Russians

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Speaker 1: have where they can from afar in a foreign country. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, using the internet, but but they can uh

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Speaker 1: subvert and overcome a multibillion dollar media apparatus in this country,

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Speaker 1: a multibillion dollar campaign effort from both sides. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, at some point people just need to stop

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Speaker 1: drinking drinking the crazy juice on this. Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, what what Russia actually did was act some

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Speaker 1: very vulnerable email systems, leak a few embarrassing emails into

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Speaker 1: the public domain, and boost some misleading news stories or

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Speaker 1: false news stories and social media. I mean, compared to

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Speaker 1: the avalanche, the avalanche of news coverage and scandals in

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Speaker 1: controversies in this election, that kind of stuff is background noise,

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Speaker 1: is like a gnat buzzing around you while you're out

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Speaker 1: for a run. It is not It is not hacking

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Speaker 1: the election. Yeah, And to take it from the from

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Speaker 1: the putent point of view. By the way, when you

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Speaker 1: have the most powerful politicians in the United States regularly

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Speaker 1: referring to the head of state in Russia as as

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Speaker 1: a thug, as a klectocrat, as a you know, one

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Speaker 1: could suggest that that may be affecting their future elections too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, at some point you can take this to

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Speaker 1: some pretty crazy length if you're just gonna say, well,

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Speaker 1: if if an outside entity is in any way trying

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Speaker 1: to affect your mold perception in a foreign country, they've intervened,

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Speaker 1: They've they've meddled in the election. It's like everybody, he's

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Speaker 1: at some level meddling. I mean, you know that the

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Speaker 1: internet is global, so is our media. Look, we we

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Speaker 1: have tried to influence elections and changes the government overseas.

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Speaker 1: I I proudly hold to the double standard on this.

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Speaker 1: My view is that the United States government should do

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Speaker 1: what is necessary to advance American interests, if that including

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Speaker 1: influencing the outcomes of regime change overseas. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: I believe the American government should protect our country from

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Speaker 1: similar kinds of influence. So if there's going to be

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Speaker 1: any influence, I wanted to be a one way street.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I and I don't. I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: anything I think that's you know, patriotic citizens of multiple

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Speaker 1: countries would say that I signed on to your double

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Speaker 1: standard there, and I like that you're putting it right right,

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Speaker 1: you know, first and foremost, because I agree, because I

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Speaker 1: think there should be a double standard because America is

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Speaker 1: different and we're number one. We're speaking to David French everybody.

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Speaker 1: He is a senior writer for National Review. Check out

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Speaker 1: his stuff at nash review dot com. David, I was

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Speaker 1: asking earlier in this week. I'm not going to say

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Speaker 1: that the Republicans were listening to me when they went

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Speaker 1: with this, because it's so obvious that this should happen.

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Speaker 1: But here we are now. I was asking the question, Well,

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Speaker 1: if we're going to have a special counsel, and if

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Speaker 1: it's going to be looking into Komy and election meddling

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Speaker 1: and all this other stuff, I think it also has

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Speaker 1: to look at the Loretta Lynch angle to this and

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Speaker 1: the special council we're here in today. Uh, maybe looking

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Speaker 1: at that but we know that the Congress is going

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Speaker 1: to be looking at that. Yeah, you know, it's it's

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Speaker 1: not the case that all in Korean interest in a

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Speaker 1: in a presidential administration ceases when that administration ceases. That

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00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: the conduct of the Obama administration in so many ways,

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Speaker 1: especially the the Obama d o J was just abominable.

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Speaker 1: And you know the way in which Loretta Lynch seemed

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Speaker 1: to put her thumb on the scales of the Hillary

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Speaker 1: Clinton email investigation, which was an actual criminal investigation of

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Speaker 1: of an American citizen, and the kind of proceeding uh

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Speaker 1: that obstruction of justice statutes contemplate. The the investigation of

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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice conduct in that affair, I think

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Speaker 1: is entirely appropriate and and given some of UM Director

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Speaker 1: Comy's allegations, I'm not talking about in paneling a grand jury,

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Speaker 1: but at the very least, let's have some congressional accountability here,

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Speaker 1: because you know, that level of influence is deeply troubling,

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Speaker 1: especially when you're talking about an Attorney General putting their

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Speaker 1: thumb on the scales on influencing who could possibly be

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Speaker 1: the next president United States. By inhibiting discussion of a

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Speaker 1: criminal affair of a of a criminal investigation. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is this is very, very serious, and somebody doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to choose. Will either look at Lynch or look

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Speaker 1: at Trump? You can look at both, It's possible. I

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Speaker 1: just want to ask you also about your piece. American

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Speaker 1: weakness and incompetence are Vladimir Putin's greatest assets. That's a

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Speaker 1: piece of your road how so well, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: amazing if you look at if you look at the

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Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin winning streak that he was on in his

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Speaker 1: direct confrontations with the United States again and again, you

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Speaker 1: had the Obama administration that was downplaying the threat, ultimately

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Speaker 1: leading to the kinds of things that we hadn't seen

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Speaker 1: in a very long time in this world, like an

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Speaker 1: invasion of a kind of of European country, as as

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Speaker 1: Russia invaded an annex the Crimea and has boots on

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Speaker 1: the ground in parts of southeastern Ukraine. We saw this

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Speaker 1: decisive Russian military intervention in Syria, and these were not

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Speaker 1: This was not Russia using overwhelming force and possessing overwhelming

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Speaker 1: international economic and diplomatic power. It was just, uh, it

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Speaker 1: was just Putin understanding that he could get away with

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Speaker 1: it because Obama was going to let him get away

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Speaker 1: with it. And then when it came to Hillary Clinton,

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Speaker 1: you know, if if Putin did want to influence, and

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Speaker 1: if Putin did want to try to put a sum

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Speaker 1: on the scales, was there a softer target than Hillary Clinton,

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Speaker 1: one of those corrupt politicians ever to run for higher office?

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Speaker 1: And then you know, it's just a reality that Trump,

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Speaker 1: even though there's no allegation of collusion, I mean no,

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Speaker 1: there's no evidence of collusion at all, has responded in

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Speaker 1: so many ways to the Russian in so many ways

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Speaker 1: that shoots himself in the foot in this Russian investigation

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Speaker 1: that I'm beginning to look at it, I'm thinking, can

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Speaker 1: anyone here act like an adult? Um? It's as if Putin,

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Speaker 1: with minimal effort and minimal military economic outlay and minimal

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Speaker 1: outlays intelligence resources, has been able to wreak maximum havoc

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Speaker 1: and the American body politic because nobody knows how to

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Speaker 1: respond to him. He's been he's been, oh, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's been been out playing his his hand from a

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Speaker 1: geo strategic and Russian interest perspective, certainly outside his borders.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what would you agree with that? I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's I think that's pretty clear. Oh absolutely. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're still those of us who are older,

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Speaker 1: sometimes still strapped in the mindset of the U S.

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Speaker 1: Soviet race, where the Soviet Union was this immense, colossal

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Speaker 1: military force, this immense force that controlled huge sections of

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Speaker 1: the Earth's territory either directly or indirectly. No, Russia, by GDP,

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Speaker 1: by military strength is really is not in our same class.

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Speaker 1: It's just not. And yet again and again Russia has

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Speaker 1: been able to achieve its geostrategic goals and we have not,

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Speaker 1: in part because Putin understands who he's facing, and he's

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Speaker 1: just audacious enough to get away with what he wants

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Speaker 1: to get away with, because he knows that our tolerance

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Speaker 1: for risk is so u we have such a low

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Speaker 1: tolerance for risk that he's he can get away with

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Speaker 1: pursuing his agent that while the Obama administration's view was, well,

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Speaker 1: I just don't want to screw up. I just don't

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Speaker 1: want to screw up. I just don't want to screw up.

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Speaker 1: And he took advantage of that time and again. David

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Speaker 1: French is a senior writer for National Review. Check out

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Speaker 1: his latest at National Review dot com. And follow him

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Speaker 1: David A. French on Twitter. David, have a great weekend.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hit a quick break. We'll be back in

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Speaker 1: just a few minutes. Stay with me. Why is the

855
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Speaker 1: White House reading Greek history? That's the question that was

856
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: asked earlier in the week in Politico. The real question

857
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 1: is why are the top advisors of the Trump administration

858
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Speaker 1: UH sitting around thinking about and discussing an ancient Greek

859
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Speaker 1: historian named Thucydites who wrote a seminal work about the

860
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Speaker 1: Peloponnesian War. Now this is not new that this historical work,

861
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Speaker 1: which is one of the most important tracts of military

862
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: history ever written. UH. It is taught frequently in international

863
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 1: relations programs. UH it is assigned reading at the US

864
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Speaker 1: Army War College. Thucydites is one of those voices from

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Speaker 1: the past that has often brought forward to elucidate the

866
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Speaker 1: challenges of the present. And as you know, I am

867
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Speaker 1: fond of ancient Greek history and wish I could even

868
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: spend much more time both reading and studying it and

869
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: then sharing with you on the show. Then I'm able

870
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: to at this point, but maybe one day in the

871
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: future there will be more fulsome deep dives on the subject.

872
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: But the White House right now is concerned with the

873
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Speaker 1: Peloponnesian War, and I wanted to give you some background

874
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: on it and then talk about what the lessons are

875
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Speaker 1: that they may be trying to draw from it, or

876
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Speaker 1: at least looking at the challenges and understanding UH the

877
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Speaker 1: historical impulses that pushed the leadership in UH fifth century

878
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: BC Greece, ancient Greece to make decisions that I think

879
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people today would see and draw parallels

880
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: to any number of US conflicts in the recent past,

881
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: and just the realities of warfare. So the Peloponnesian War

882
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: is not as well known as say the War against

883
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Speaker 1: and outside of academic and military circles, as say the

884
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Speaker 1: War against Persian invaders. Because of movies like three hundred

885
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Speaker 1: and King Leonidas and the three hundred Spartans at the

886
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: Hot Gates the Pass of Thermopoli, there are some pop

887
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Speaker 1: culture references to other ancient Greek conflicts. The movie with

888
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Speaker 1: Alexander the Great, which as I understand it, and Colin

889
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: Farrell starring as Alexander, was not particularly good. But you

890
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: haven't seen a major theatrical production of the Peloponnesian War,

891
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: and I think that it would actually be a phenomenal

892
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: subject for such for such a Hollywood treatment, because if

893
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: you made this into a mini series, people would see

894
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: the very clear parallels to many of the problems we

895
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: face today. And they are problems that are timeless. Really,

896
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: You've faced them all throughout history in matters of war

897
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: and politics and the realities there in. So the Peloponnese

898
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Speaker 1: in war is as I said, fifth century Athens, and

899
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Speaker 1: it stretches on for twenty seven years, from four thirty

900
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Speaker 1: one to four oh four BC. So this is cross generational.

901
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: It goes on for decades, and it pitted two mighty states,

902
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Speaker 1: the mightiest states of ancient Greece, the most famous ones,

903
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: Athens and Sparta, against each other in what became a

904
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Speaker 1: death struggle, and it ended with Sparta besieging Athens, the

905
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: city state of Athens, and breaking it off from its

906
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Speaker 1: sea root as well destroying the long walls which were

907
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: barriers created between the city state of Athens and its

908
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: port of Paraeus, which was a couple of miles away,

909
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: and Athens was never the same really after this. So

910
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Speaker 1: it started out as a conflict that would have been

911
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 1: similar to many others in ancient Greece hoplight warfare, which

912
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Speaker 1: was only engaged in by citizens of the city state

913
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Speaker 1: who could afford the armor, the breastplate, the shield. In fact,

914
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Speaker 1: the shield known as a hop lawn is where we

915
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Speaker 1: get the term hoplight from. Hop Lights were heavy armored infantry,

916
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Speaker 1: and that's what we generally think of shields locked interconnected

917
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Speaker 1: and hop lights holding a spear uh and also having

918
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Speaker 1: a a short sword for thrust ng um. But this

919
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: conflict between Sparta and Athens had been building for some

920
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: time and it quickly spiraled out of control. And to

921
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Speaker 1: really understand why people draw parallels between Athens and modern America,

922
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Speaker 1: for example, and it's fight with Sparta, which has been

923
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Speaker 1: viewed in the context of a Cold War paradigm, where

924
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: Sparta it's a land it was a landlocked power of

925
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: militarism and oppression. In fact, the Spartans relied on a

926
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Speaker 1: vast army of slaves of Hellots to do the the

927
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Speaker 1: farm work and and to support this professional standing army

928
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Speaker 1: UH in Sparta. And to become a member of that

929
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Speaker 1: army you had to go through an incredibly rigorous school

930
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: that started in adolescence called the agoge. So it's almost

931
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Speaker 1: like basic underwater demolition school for the Navy seals. You know, buds,

932
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: but it's buds that you would start when you were

933
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Speaker 1: a teenager and you never really got out of it. Uh.

934
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Speaker 1: That Sparta has been viewed in the context of trying

935
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Speaker 1: to find a historical analogy today as a Cold War

936
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Speaker 1: enemy of Athens, or rather as a Cold War parallel

937
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: between Athens and Sparta, with Athens as the United States

938
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Speaker 1: and Sparta as the Soviet Union, major land power, oppression totalitarian. Athens,

939
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Speaker 1: of course, with a population a city state population that

940
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Speaker 1: was only really in the same hundreds of thousands, you'd say,

941
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Speaker 1: And and the entirety of the Greek Peninsula should be noted,

942
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: is the size of a midsized US state. So this

943
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: conflict was playing out predominantly on what is a pretty

944
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: small land mass. Although Athens was also overseeing a vast

945
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: empire at the time, it had city states that paid

946
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Speaker 1: tribute to it. It was a naval power again brings

947
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: us back to the Cold War US versus Soviet paradigm,

948
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Speaker 1: and it had really vassal states that could call upon

949
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Speaker 1: U from all across the Mediterranean. So what we're to

950
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Speaker 1: city states that weren't really that large squaring off against

951
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: each other also brought in much of the ancient world

952
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: through a battle that went on for decades. The Peloponnesian War,

953
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: of course, is named for the Peloponnese, which is a

954
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Speaker 1: peninsula separated from the rest of mainland Greece by the

955
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Speaker 1: Gulf of Corinth. Those of you who are longtime members

956
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Speaker 1: of Team buck No, the Gulf of Corinth is the

957
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Speaker 1: scene of the Great Battle of Lepanto between the Allied

958
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Speaker 1: Ottoman forces and those of Christian Europe in fifteen seventy one,

959
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: an enormous naval battle that we will have to revisit

960
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: this fall on its anniversary. But I digress. So the

961
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: Peloponnese was the peninsula where you could find the ancient

962
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Speaker 1: cities of Sparta, Argos, and Corinth, among others. And that's

963
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: part of what we don't get in most of our

964
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Speaker 1: reading about ancient Greece is that there were other major

965
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Speaker 1: city states Karnth Thebes that played a role in uh,

966
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Speaker 1: not just the battle or the Peloponnesian War, um, but

967
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: in ancient Greece's growth and in the major the major battles,

968
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Speaker 1: including against the invading Persian hordes um, but without without

969
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: question that two major city states at the time were

970
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: Sparta and Athens. So you had two great powers of

971
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: the period, including Athens in all of its splendor, with

972
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Speaker 1: its art. It's uh, it's culture, it's democracy, which of

973
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: course didn't mean everybody got to vote. It just meant citizens,

974
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: which was a very a small percentage of the overall

975
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: population were allowed to vote. But ancient Athens, which is

976
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Speaker 1: the cradle of Western civilization, was squaring off against Sparta,

977
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Speaker 1: a militaristic, totalitarian really society, certainly authoritarian UH in what

978
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: didn't seemed like it would be all that different from

979
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: previous fights. There would be UH city states would fight

980
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: in and it would be over the allegiance of another

981
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Speaker 1: city state or a relatively short term and UH minor

982
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: in the historical scope, grievance. But the Peloponnesian War, and

983
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,439
Speaker 1: by the way, it's thought of as the Athenian War

984
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: by others in it and thucidities who's not just a

985
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: great historian but was a general in this war, was

986
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: in Athens during one of the plagues. So you're when

987
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: you talk about the Thucydides and I think one of

988
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: the reasons why he has so much respect as a

989
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: historian among military men of today and and and honestly

990
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: for many centuries. Uh is that and he was read

991
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: by he's read by all the great military theorists and historians,

992
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: is because he was a practitioner as well as a

993
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: great writer and historian. He was a general who squared

994
01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: off against the Spartans. He knew this warfare for stand.

995
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: He was there, he lived it, he was a part

996
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: of it. So you get a very particular view from Thucydites.

997
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: And I highly recommend if you are looking for gripping

998
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: reading that you know is written in historical narrative form,

999
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: but is is true and is accurate, just pick up

1000
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: the Peloponnesian War. But I think when you look at

1001
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: the historians and why they try to draw from this

1002
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Speaker 1: for today, and back to our article about why the

1003
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: Trump White House is having meetings according to this political

1004
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: piece where they discussed just the history of ancient Greece,

1005
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: think about this, and they have the top military and

1006
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: national security minds in this administration are readers of though

1007
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: cidities are history buffs when it comes to ancient Greece.

1008
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:54,439
Speaker 1: Is because they see the uh, this this great power

1009
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: conflict of the time. There are similar dynamics, and in

1010
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: this case it may be that the dyna anarchists between

1011
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: the US and China. In the past people said it

1012
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: was between the US and the Soviet Union, and looking

1013
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: for similarities and points of comparison. One part of the

1014
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: Peloponnesian War that is so compelling, both as reading and

1015
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: as a means of understanding how war and the politics

1016
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: around it really functions and operates, is that it became

1017
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: quickly a total war. It became a war of annihilation,

1018
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: of extermination of cities of sieges that ended with the

1019
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: massacre of all inhabitants. This had not been the standard

1020
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: operating procedure on the Greek peninsula in the fifth century BC.

1021
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: But this war quickly accelerated and it became not just

1022
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: a limited conflict between a Spartan military that besieged Athens

1023
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: for a period of time, because remember they were these

1024
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: soldiers were on a season that had to do with

1025
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: the harvest. There was a limited campaigning season, and so

1026
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: usually conflicts were limited in scope. This became a total

1027
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: war on the peninsula and across the Mediterranean. It even

1028
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: involved an expedition to Syracuse in Sicily that was disastrous

1029
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: for the Athenians. It stretched on for years and years.

1030
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: You had during this period Pericles, the most famous of

1031
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: all ancient Greek Athenian leaders, give his funeral oration one

1032
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: of the most famous speeches in all history. And when

1033
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: you see how the decisions were made at the time, Uh,

1034
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: there was passion, there was patriotism. There were fears about

1035
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: the annihilation not just of a military force, but of

1036
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: the people back home if the military was unsuccessful. Uh.

1037
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: There was treachery, there was backstabbing, there was betrayaled by

1038
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: different allies. All of these different factors were brought together

1039
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: in a conflict that was entirely among people who spoke

1040
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: the same language, roughly speaking, had the same culture. Uh.

1041
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: And you'd think would be able to settle their differences

1042
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: in a way that would have been much more amenable

1043
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: and much more positive for both sides. But the Peloponnesian

1044
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: War is really in the fifth century BC, again, twenty

1045
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: seven years from four thirty one to four or four

1046
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:25,439
Speaker 1: BC would be better described as the Great Greek Civil War.

1047
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: And it was, as I said, a war that turned

1048
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: into total war, war of annihilation. And extermination, and UH,

1049
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: that's why people also look at how did this happen,

1050
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: how did we get how did they get to that point,

1051
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: and then look for lessons for today in the context

1052
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: of the U. S. China relationship. It's uh, I think

1053
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: a stretch to find all that much of of a

1054
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: comparison right now, because of many of the economic ties

1055
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: that we have between the US and China, the distance

1056
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: between the two countries. But people would say, in the

1057
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: Peloponnesian War, you had battles waged far afield from Spartan

1058
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Speaker 1: and from Sparta and Athens that were proxy battles, proxy wars. Well,

1059
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Speaker 1: they're certainly could be similar situations between the US and

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Speaker 1: China going into the future. But the Peloponnesian War is

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Speaker 1: a if you're interested in ancient Greece at all, it

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Speaker 1: is essential, it is must reading. Uh. And that the

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Speaker 1: White House is thinking about this, is talking to historians

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Speaker 1: about it and looking at it as a place for

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Speaker 1: wisdom and perhaps even some answers as to long term U. S.

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Speaker 1: Foreign policy trajectory. I think they're looking for wisdom in

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Speaker 1: a in a smart place. I think that this is

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Speaker 1: a worthwhile endeavor for them. Uh, And I'm glad that

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Speaker 1: I was able to give you a little bit of

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Speaker 1: why the Peloponnesian War is of such interest and why

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Speaker 1: through Cyddes, the ancient Greek historian, makes for such compelling reading.

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Speaker 1: By the way, if you want more recent version of this,

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Speaker 1: A War Like No Other by Victor Davis Hansen is

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01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: a fantastic book, and I highly recommended. We will hit

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Speaker 1: a quick break, your team will be right back. Kids

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Speaker 1: aren't working over the summer like they used to. Associated

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Speaker 1: Press crunch the numbers today in sixty percent of Americans

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01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: aged sixteen and nineteen were employed. The proportions stayed over

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Speaker 1: until two thousand and two, when it began dropping steadily.

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Speaker 1: By last July, only thirty six percent or working. And

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Speaker 1: I'm in favor of the job for a wage formulation.

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01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: I think we've been pushed into this society now where

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01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: you get so many people, um who are supposed to

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01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: do these unpaid internships. I think unpaid internships are over

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01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: whelmingly a scam. I think that you don't get what

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01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: you think you're going to get out of it. I

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01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: think that for a lot of people, the unpaid internship

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01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 1: is just an excuse for the company to get free

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Speaker 1: clerical labor. Uh and I do. Look, there's there's exploitation

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Speaker 1: that goes on with this stuff. There's no question about

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Speaker 1: it in my mind. Whereas when you show up somewhere

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Speaker 1: and you have to do a job and you see

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01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: what the paycheck is for that job, and if you

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01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: don't show up, you're gonna get fired, that's an essential

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Speaker 1: life lesson. Um. I worked, I remember as a as

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Speaker 1: a summer camp counselor for obviously very little money. I

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Speaker 1: had tutored when I was in high school to make

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Speaker 1: a little extra money on the weekends. You know you

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01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: do so I I had worked at a couple of

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01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: parties at a as a as a caterer a few times.

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01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, these are the jobs that you

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Speaker 1: do and you have to deal with people, you have

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01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: to be there on time, and you at the end

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01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: get money and you're like, wow, this is the money

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01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: that I have. I could spend this on lunch pretty easily.

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01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: And this took me two or three hours to earn.

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01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: So it's it's a really the ibole lesson. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think the summer job, especially when you're high school aged,

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01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: is a great thing to have, and I think I

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Speaker 1: would recommend that people get them and uh, stay away

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01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: from this. Oh let's go to math camp or something. Well,

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01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: you do enough studying nine months of the year. I

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01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: know so many people now that they're oh, I'm gonna

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01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: go to like an S A T program over the summer. Look,

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01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: I mean, do whatever you want. But I think that

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Speaker 1: the I wish that I had learned even sooner and

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01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: even harder what work and labor and pay really meant um.

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Speaker 1: And I learned it, but man, when I got out

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Speaker 1: of when it wasn' until I got out of college,

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Speaker 1: it's like, find an apartment and pay for your groceries,

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01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: and here's how much money you have every two weeks

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01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: to do it. It's like, whoa, This whole adult thing

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Speaker 1: is less fun than I thought it would be. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: summer jobs are not at the same level they used

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Speaker 1: to be. And I think that's a shame because everybody

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01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,799
Speaker 1: should you know, I don't know. The newspaper routes scoop

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01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: ice cream, work as a server, work as a host

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Speaker 1: or a hostess or whatever. It's great experience of the summer,

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Speaker 1: and you appreciate your free time even more. Alright, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna hit a quick break team. I'll be right back.

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01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: Buck is back, everybody bucks back. It's more of America now,

1132
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: throwing your two cents one eight four four nine d Buck.

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01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: That's one eight four four to eight to five. We're

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Speaker 1: number one, al right, America is number one, and don't

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01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 1: let anyone tell you otherwise. The media loves to play

1136
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Speaker 1: this game, and I just found this to be kind

1137
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 1: of a fun or funny instance of it this week.

1138
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 1: It's in a sense clickbait, right because anytime you see

1139
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: America is now a second tier country in the headline.

1140
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: This was in a Bloomberg piece over in the week.

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01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: Anytime you see that, you're gonna get on the left. Democrats,

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01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: liberals tearing down America is like their national pastime. If

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01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: they can find a way to criticize America, if they

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01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 1: can find a way to show how they know how

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01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,560
Speaker 1: America could be better, or could meet its true ideals,

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01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: or you know whatever, uh, they love that. I always

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01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 1: have thought that there are two kinds of Americans, roughly speaking,

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01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 1: those who take tremendous pride in being American and those

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Speaker 1: who take pride in thinking that they're better than America,

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01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 1: and those who fall into the latter category are Democrats

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01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: or at least leftists. Some Democrats I know are very

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01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: patriotic and everything. I'm looking. It's a radio show. I'm

1153
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 1: having a little fun, everybody. It's a Friday. Let's not

1154
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: get too crazy. Um. But this piece that America is

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Speaker 1: a second tier country, which ran on Bloomberg was was

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01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: pretty funny because, first of all, when when you think yourself, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: how does anyone even make this comparison? How do we

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Speaker 1: even get to a point where there's a a way

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Speaker 1: to assess the data? How do you crunch the numbers

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Speaker 1: on whether America is a second tier country? And that's

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Speaker 1: when you find out that it's according to the Social

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Speaker 1: Progress Imperative a u a a US based nonprofit. Okay,

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Speaker 1: first of all, anything that's called the Social Progress Imperative

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01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: sounds like it's the kind of organization that wants to

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01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 1: imprison people for climate change denial or something. Right. It

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01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 1: sounds like an organization that, when it's not crunging the

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Speaker 1: numbers on whether America is a great country, might be

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01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 1: suggesting that if you don't use the proper pronoun for

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Speaker 1: somebody who is on the transgender spectrum somewhere you should

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Speaker 1: be fined and or imprisoned. I'm just under the name.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the Social Progress Imperative does, but

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Speaker 1: to me it sounds a little scary, right, this would

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Speaker 1: be this would be a little too clearly leftist for

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Speaker 1: my taste, because those are here at Social Progress. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these are terms that have a certain connotation to those

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Speaker 1: of us who pay attention when they're used in the

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Speaker 1: title of an organization of a nonprofit. So what they

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Speaker 1: did is they ranked fifty countries based on metrics, uh

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Speaker 1: that have to do with overall well being. And they

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Speaker 1: look at this and and here are here's the breakdown. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And of course Scandinavia walks away with the top four

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Speaker 1: of a hundred and twenty eight slots, right, So they

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Speaker 1: gave a score out for seventeen to these to the

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Speaker 1: top twenty countries, and it's number one, Denmark, number two, Finland, three, Iceland,

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Speaker 1: then Norway, Switzerland, Canada, the Netherlands, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland,

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Speaker 1: the UK, Germany, Austria, Belgium, Japan, Spain, Japan, US, France, Portrayal.

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Speaker 1: So we're just barely in the top twenty. Um. First

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Speaker 1: of all, the the liberal left's obsession with Scandinavian countries

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Speaker 1: I was find so interesting because, uh, multiculturalism is a

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Speaker 1: very new phenomenon really in those countries. They they do

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01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: not have long histories. Is certainly not in the pre

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Speaker 1: World War two era. They don't they don't have many

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Speaker 1: decades and and pre post and pre World War two era,

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01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 1: they don't have many, many decades of disparate immigrants coming

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Speaker 1: from all over the world. Right, that's a that's a

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Speaker 1: really distinctly American phenomenon in the nineteenth and twentieth century. Uh.

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Speaker 1: So they're they're pointing to a culture. They're pointing to

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Speaker 1: countries that are multurally speaking, uh, monolithic, and in which

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Speaker 1: there's very little uh different until recently. And of course,

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Speaker 1: as we know from looking at what's going on in

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01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: these countries in recent years, Uh, they're having some problems

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Speaker 1: with their incredibly open minded, tolerant, multiculturalist really cultural relativism

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01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: dressed up as multiculturalism. Uh. There are questions about this,

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01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: and I should also know there are questions about the

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01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 1: sustainability even of their economic model, which is not socialist.

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Speaker 1: People always bring this stuff out there oh, look at

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Speaker 1: the socialist countries of Scandinavian. No socialism, just a review

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01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: is government control of both the means and distribution of production.

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01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: The government controls the factories. The government decides who gets

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01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 1: what or what the prices are for what that are

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01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: made by the government factories. The government also decides how

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01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 1: much property you can have, either through taxation or otherwise,

1213
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 1: and redistributes to all the rest. I mean, we do

1214
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: have some in this country, some programs that are certainly

1215
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:06,560
Speaker 1: based upon socialist tendencies or ideology, but we're not a

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Speaker 1: socialist country. Neither are the Scandinavian countries. In fact, they've

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01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: been increasingly privatizing, and when you look at uh recent

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Speaker 1: recent years, recent decades in Scandinavia, they're actually more commercially

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Speaker 1: and economically competitive on some fronts than we are. Right,

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01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 1: lower tax rates, and they have been pushing for more

1221
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Speaker 1: private enterprise. But on the cultural side, I think that's

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Speaker 1: where it's most fascinating that these that these countries come

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Speaker 1: up on this list. And I suppose the reason that

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Speaker 1: UM a US based think tank, wants to show us

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Speaker 1: this is in part that there are other countries that

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Speaker 1: are doing things better where people are are happier than

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Speaker 1: we are. Uh so you know, and look, whether you

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Speaker 1: even believe that these metrics are worthwhile or not, let's

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Speaker 1: just put that aside for a second. But you take

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Speaker 1: a country for example, like Finland. Finland is a is

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Speaker 1: a is a monolithic culture. Finland is a place where

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Speaker 1: there's a tremendous amount of of similarity ethnic and linguistic

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Speaker 1: and religious similarity between the inhabitants. Same thing is true

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Speaker 1: of Iceland and Norway. Uh try and become a Swiss

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01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 1: citizen and let me know how that goes for you.

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01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: It is only in recent as I said, recent decades

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Speaker 1: that the Netherlands and Sweden and and and Denmark have

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Speaker 1: been opening up their doors to immigrants, particularly refugees and

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01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 1: assi les um and that has brought with it some

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01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:52,560
Speaker 1: consequences that those societies are really still coming to grips with.

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01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 1: It's not quite as simple and straightforward as they thought

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01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: it would be. And also I mean to put some

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01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:01,799
Speaker 1: of these small all our countries on the list. Another

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01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: favorite thing to do of the left is to find

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Speaker 1: a small European country with with a tremendous amount of

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01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 1: homogeneity among its people and then say see how well

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01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 1: they're doing, see how happy they are, and you go, well,

1248
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 1: what are the lessons we're supposed to take from that?

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Speaker 1: First of all, making a government function pretty well at

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01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 1: the level of a country like Belgium, which is the

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Speaker 1: size of you know, a bottom third US state in

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01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: terms of its overall population, right, I mean Belgium is

1253
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 1: not that big, and in terms of its actual physical size,

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01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 1: it's not very big at all. It would be like yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like saying, yeah, you know what, what do we

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Speaker 1: how do we make a place as much of a

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Speaker 1: paradise in terms of how it's government functions as I

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01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: don't know Massachusetts or New Jersey? Right, I know New

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01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: Jersey a paradise? Who knew? Um, it's only when you

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Speaker 1: get further down the list that you get into Germany, Japan,

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Speaker 1: and France and the US is all it's pretty close

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01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 1: to all those countries on this metric of of overall happiness. Um.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I think one other part of this

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Speaker 1: that never really gets discussed by the left, and I'm

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Speaker 1: reminded of UH the writings of H. L. Menkin, the

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Speaker 1: most well known I think writer from UH from the

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Speaker 1: Baltimore for from the Baltimore Sun, but back in the

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Speaker 1: early twentieth century. But he always or He wrote that

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Speaker 1: the the defining character characteristic of the American experience. We

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Speaker 1: think it's patriotism and liberty. And he had he had

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Speaker 1: some mocking words for that that are a little harsh.

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Speaker 1: Mankan was Mankan is fascinating, but sometimes you gotta take

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Speaker 1: it with a grain of salt. But he and there's

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Speaker 1: some other stuff. He said. You'll be like, whoa, but

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Speaker 1: Mankin is is um, you know, think it was a

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Speaker 1: product of his time. He said that class anxiety, though,

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Speaker 1: is the defining characteristic, uh, the defining characteristic of the

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Speaker 1: American experience, and that our greatest fear is that we

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Speaker 1: will find ourselves in a lower class than we had

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Speaker 1: previously been. And it is that constant struggle to be

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Speaker 1: better and that constant sense of upward mobility that I

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Speaker 1: think can sometimes be one of the differences between our

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Speaker 1: perceptions of happiness and whether our people are complacent in

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Speaker 1: this country and once you'll see in other in other countries, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, sit down and speak to someone who's a

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Speaker 1: dain Sit down and speak to somebody from the Netherlands.

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Speaker 1: They're not all trying to be the next Mark Zuckerberg.

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Speaker 1: They're all trying to be the next Kanye, They're all

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Speaker 1: trying to be the next, you know, name a superstar.

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Speaker 1: They kind of just want to go to university and

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Speaker 1: they want to do their thing, and maybe they want

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Speaker 1: to get married, or maybe they want to have a

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Speaker 1: nondenominational partnership ceremony in the secular europe p In tradition

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Speaker 1: where they will share a home and at some point

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Speaker 1: perhaps adopt children. But whatever the case, maybe, uh, they're

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Speaker 1: not trying to be heroes. They're not trying to be superstars.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to be big winners necessarily in what they do.

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Speaker 1: And that's a that's a more specifically American, widespread American concept,

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Speaker 1: whether you know, you're just trying to be the best

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Speaker 1: auto body shop owner in your town or you're trying

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Speaker 1: to be the next big you know, Internet billionaire. Americans

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01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 1: are a competitive bunch. And that's a good thing, um

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Speaker 1: in many ways for us, And but it also means

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Speaker 1: that I think it affects our general perceptions of happiness

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01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: because because in a competitive society, yes, there are going

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Speaker 1: to be gains that are made for all of us,

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01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 1: right technological and commercial and otherwise. But they're also gonna

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01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 1: be a lot of people who don't get what they want.

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Speaker 1: There are gonna be people who feel like they weren't

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Speaker 1: lucky enough where they missed out. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: one aspect of the American experience that really directly affects

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Speaker 1: a lot of these surveys and and all this breaking

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Speaker 1: down of how how happy we are and how well

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Speaker 1: off we are. I mean, this piece in Bloomberg is

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Speaker 1: nonsense that we're a second tier country, uh, and that

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Speaker 1: seventeen others are ahead of us when it comes to

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Speaker 1: well being. I mean they break down all these different

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Speaker 1: you know, health care, access in school and all that um.

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Speaker 1: But in America you get to be in the fight

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Speaker 1: in your own way. And that's a beautiful thing and

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01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 1: we embrace it. But it also means that we don't

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Speaker 1: all get to just sit around and think that everything

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Speaker 1: is fine. So there you go, alright, team, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk to you about a bunch of stuff. Stay with me.

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Speaker 1: And then again, I think it's only fair that I

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Speaker 1: tell you what that bunch of stuff is if you're

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Speaker 1: gonna hang out with me for the final out of here,

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Speaker 1: which I appreciate if you would. So we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: into a new phenomenon called white splaining here in a second.

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Speaker 1: You've heard of man splaining, talk to you about white splaining,

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Speaker 1: and also how a toy company is getting rid of

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Speaker 1: gender for its various toy divisions. We also discussed a

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Speaker 1: group called Sleeping Giants that is engaged in online shaming

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Speaker 1: for the purposes of digital boycotts against companies that, of

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Speaker 1: course offend the progressive orthodoxy and offend leftist sensibilities. So far,

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Speaker 1: they've had much more success that I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people realize. So I'll be getting into Sleeping Giants

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Speaker 1: and other efforts to boycott conservative speech by attacking online advertisers.

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Speaker 1: And then finally we'll talk a bit about the end

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Speaker 1: of car ownership and if you're gonna be driving anywhere

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01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 1: this weekend, I'm just trying to basically give your heads up,

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Speaker 1: enjoy this whole American individual car experiment, because that's all

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01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,600
Speaker 1: gonna be changing because of technology. We're gonna hit a

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Speaker 1: quick break team will be right back, Stay with it.

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Speaker 1: White splaining is now a thing everybody. That's at least

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Speaker 1: according to a blogger at the Huffington Post. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: it will catch on from there. And a hat tip

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Speaker 1: heat Street for pointing this out that it's not enough

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Speaker 1: merely to talk about white privilege, which of course is

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Speaker 1: the very annoying assumption that just being white means that

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Speaker 1: you're living in some better place of social acceptance, and

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01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 1: you've earned what you have less, and you've done less

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Speaker 1: in your life to merit the things that you have,

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Speaker 1: and you are in ways that you could never even

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Speaker 1: be fully aware benefiting from this again, white privilege. Um,

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Speaker 1: but you've heard of man splaining, right, So this man

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Speaker 1: splaining is when as a man like I, I guess

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Speaker 1: I'm man splained for three hours a day on radio

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Speaker 1: because I'm just man splanning left and right. But man

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Speaker 1: splaining plus white privilege, I suppose equals Well, I guess

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Speaker 1: it doesn't really because you're getting into the man part

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Speaker 1: of it. But the spain and white privilege you get

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Speaker 1: white splaining. White splaining is a new phenomenon. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: not new a thing, but it's a new term. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's a new description of the phenomenon of white people

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Speaker 1: having opinions on things, particularly opinions on whether or not

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Speaker 1: something is racist, or whether accusations of racism made by

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Speaker 1: a person who is not white are legitimate. White splaining

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Speaker 1: is now something that you have to keep in mind

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Speaker 1: whenever you want to have a political discussion, or you

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Speaker 1: want to discuss a new story, or you want to

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Speaker 1: just weigh in on anything with your opinion, because if

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Speaker 1: you're white, then clearly you're not allowed or you're not

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Speaker 1: in a position to opine on the experiences of those

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Speaker 1: who are not white, or on their UH impressions of

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Speaker 1: racism or race and society. I should just know that

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Speaker 1: if this is now how we're going to treat debate

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Speaker 1: an argument, there's really no such thing as debate and

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Speaker 1: argument anymore. If personal experience is not just a part

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Speaker 1: of a discussion, but if personal experience is now a

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Speaker 1: prerequisite to engage in certain discussions, then there's really no

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Speaker 1: such things as free expression of political ideas anymore, because

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01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 1: you could just extend this logic to anything, right, Well,

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Speaker 1: how can you have opinions, How can you have opinions

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Speaker 1: on U S military policy if you've never served the military?

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01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:44,680
Speaker 1: How can you have opinions on UH medicare if you're

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Speaker 1: not sixty five years or older? How can you have

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Speaker 1: a bit. You know, this expansion of identity politics into

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01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 1: an all consuming, uh and um, all encompassing ideology is

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01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 1: just once again pushing things too far. But white splaining

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Speaker 1: is now along with man spreading and man splaining and

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Speaker 1: the patriarchy, these are all terms in the leftist lexicon

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Speaker 1: with which we should become familiar. So you know, be

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Speaker 1: be aware of the possibility of of engaging in some

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Speaker 1: white splaining going forward, even of course by accident, which

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Speaker 1: you probably would be doing it by accident, because it's

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Speaker 1: not really a thing. But I digress. Another story that

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Speaker 1: I just couldn't help but want to bring up on

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Speaker 1: on heat Street here, um, is that now there is

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Speaker 1: a separation. Well, there's a separation that exists in some

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Speaker 1: toy companies by gender. But according to this piece on

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Speaker 1: heat Street by Tom te door zuk Um quote, Hasbro

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Speaker 1: hadn't caved modern sensibilities by separating its business units by gender,

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Speaker 1: But suddenly the third biggest toy and board gate game

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Speaker 1: company whose brands include Star Wars, My Little Pony, and

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Speaker 1: g I Joe, considers gender a very dirty word. Last January,

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Speaker 1: Hasbro reported its revenue by type of brand rather than

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Speaker 1: by boys, girls, games, preschool categories. And now it's CEO

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Speaker 1: claims that gender doesn't even exist. Quote, we'll look at

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Speaker 1: our brands more inclusively than ever. In fact, we eliminated

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Speaker 1: the old delineation of gender. Uh. And if you think

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Speaker 1: about a brand, be it My Little Pony, where thirty

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Speaker 1: of our global TV audiences boys or Star Wars. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you're seeing people who want to be engaged in these stories,

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Speaker 1: or where we are launching all female amiated series, you're

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Speaker 1: seeing Yeah. Um, so they're saying that they're not gonna

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Speaker 1: separate toys by gender anymore. I mean, I I guess

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Speaker 1: this is you know that they can justify this with

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Speaker 1: the idea that it's h that there's crossover and you

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01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 1: know some boys watch My Little Pony and all that.

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Speaker 1: That's fine, But it does feel like a bit caving

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Speaker 1: to political correctness, doesn't it. I mean, can we just

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01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 1: be honest about that? Um? Anyway, hit a quick break here, team,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about in an amazing

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01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 1: and really disturbing UM effort that's underway to use social

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01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 1: media and to use the ability to digitally organize and

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01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: really to troll and harass companies as a means of

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01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 1: censoring right wing and conservative sites. We're gonna talk to

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Speaker 1: you about this group called um Sleeping Sleeping Giants, which

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01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 1: has been successful already in in hurting some conservative companies.

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01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:45,559
Speaker 1: It's just a Twitter account that ray that that finds

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Speaker 1: different companies and makes them afraid that they're going to

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01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 1: be targeted for right wing craziness. And you'll you'll see,

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01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 1: I'll explain, but it's something you need. You definitely need

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01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: to hear about this, and uh, we'll talk about that.

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Speaker 1: I'm much more coming up. Stay with Team Bock. I

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Speaker 1: want to talk to you about a very important shadowy

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01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 1: movement that has been gathering momentum in recent months, and

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01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 1: that is changing what information you're able to see. Is

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01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 1: having profound implications for the news and media and uh

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01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 1: information and entertainment businesses. And you may not have even

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01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 1: heard anything about it, but you've definitely seen some of

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01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:45,759
Speaker 1: their handiwork, whether you realize it or not. I'm talking

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01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 1: about efforts at digital boycotting. Now. The most well known,

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01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 1: perhaps of these groups is called Sleeping Giants, which is

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01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 1: just a Twitter account, but it's a Twitter account run

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01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 1: by people, and there's not much information about them. And

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01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 1: a lot of this is still we're still in the

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01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 1: process of figuring it out. It is run by people

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01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 1: who realize that in the digital era, if you can

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01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 1: target the advertisers, the display advertisers of different websites, you

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01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:25,639
Speaker 1: can exert tremendous pressure on those sites financially, perhaps even

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01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:29,600
Speaker 1: shutting them down and bankrupting them, certainly punishing them for

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01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 1: speech that is not liked. Now, it used to be

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01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 1: the case that boycott's involved you know, people letter writing campaigns,

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01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 1: maybe taken ad out of the newspaper. Yet the protest

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01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 1: Now it's as simple as create social social media account,

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01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 1: have a following for it and online target an individual

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01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 1: and entity, a group of corporation, and bring social media

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01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 1: pressure to bear on it. So instead of even having

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01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:02,679
Speaker 1: to get people uh mobilized, you know, off their off

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01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 1: their butts and out there uh protesting against a group

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01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 1: or or trying to get attention for the purposes of

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01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 1: the boycott. Boycotts have been around a long time and

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Speaker 1: boycotts are not you know, it's you're allowed to not

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01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 1: purchase because of whatever reason you want. Right, you cannot

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01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 1: send your dollars and you should, by the way, pay

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01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 1: attention uh, in many cases, I think to who you

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Speaker 1: are or not supporting in their politics now, not necessarily

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Speaker 1: when you're buying you know, Apple sauce or shoes, but

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Speaker 1: certainly in your information and entertainment choices. I hope you

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Speaker 1: pay attention to that, and as a conservative and media

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Speaker 1: I hope you understand that your support really does matter

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Speaker 1: to the people that are trying to uh continue on

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01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 1: in this ideological fight. People like me day in and

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Speaker 1: day out. But the new boycotts are digital. Therefore it's

1477
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 1: easier than ever before, and it's instantaneous, and it is

1478
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 1: much more effective than I think a lot of people

1479
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 1: currently realized. Let me explain a little bit of how

1480
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:04,679
Speaker 1: this works. How do we get to a place where

1481
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:11,160
Speaker 1: sleeping giants is crashing Breitbart's ad revenue for briitebart dot com,

1482
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:13,799
Speaker 1: or how do we get to a place where similar

1483
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:18,600
Speaker 1: efforts are against advertisers And this is not necessarily just

1484
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 1: in the digital display space. But Bill O'Reilly got pulled

1485
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 1: from Fox because of advertisers. We know this. They try

1486
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:28,680
Speaker 1: they have tried to do the same to others, and

1487
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 1: they're exerting pressure against any number of companies for their

1488
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 1: policies and media companies for their personnel and the positions

1489
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:41,720
Speaker 1: that they take. And this this can be devastating, you know,

1490
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:46,599
Speaker 1: because companies that advertised don't necessarily want to be uh

1491
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 1: dealing with the headache. Even if the person that's being

1492
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 1: targeted or the media or news organizations being targeted, has

1493
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 1: done nothing wrong, has violated no community norms or standards.

1494
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:01,360
Speaker 1: This is just partisan hits. This is just going after

1495
01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:05,640
Speaker 1: people for having ideas that are in opposition to the

1496
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 1: progressive orthodoxy. Now, just a moment of of how this

1497
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 1: all works. Right, So, if you run a website and

1498
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 1: it's a it's a conservative website. Um let's say that

1499
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 1: there's you know, liberty, Liberty revolution dot com. It's probably

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01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:23,400
Speaker 1: that probably is a website by the way, I just

1501
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 1: thought at the top of my head, just so I

1502
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 1: don't like go to that website because that I don't know,

1503
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, though, you know, Liberty seven

1504
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 1: to seven forever dot com or something, right, I mean,

1505
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:36,599
Speaker 1: just some website about liberty and you're writing conservative stuff.

1506
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 1: If you get enough. The way you you monetize that,

1507
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 1: um is you have display advertising. Usually sometimes there's native

1508
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 1: advertising too, or the content will there will be sponsored content,

1509
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 1: or there'll be native content where the author will write

1510
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 1: or people will write a post about a sponsor um

1511
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:56,280
Speaker 1: for the site. But the most common form, and you've

1512
01:33:56,280 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 1: all seen this is you know, bye bye Bob's uh

1513
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 1: discount umbrellas, right, and you'll see it, uh see up

1514
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 1: a little pop up on your screen, or you'll see something.

1515
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 1: It's display form. It's an ad. And the way that

1516
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 1: that you make money here if you're a publisher, if

1517
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 1: you're a content creator, is through something called CPM, which

1518
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 1: is cast. It's cost per miles the abbreviation, but it's

1519
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 1: really the price charge per thousand impressions. So if every

1520
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 1: thousand hits you get on a website or impressions, uh,

1521
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:32,679
Speaker 1: there is a cost associate with that, right. The idea

1522
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 1: being a thousand people have seen by Bob's discount umbrellas,

1523
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 1: and some of them will go and and do that. Well.

1524
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 1: Some companies sell their advertising revenue to these middlemen, I'm sorry,

1525
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 1: sell their advertising campaigns to these middlemen advertising agencies who

1526
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:55,639
Speaker 1: then put the ads on a whole bunch of different

1527
01:34:55,680 --> 01:35:00,160
Speaker 1: websites and the idea of being they're diversifying their are

1528
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:02,040
Speaker 1: getting it out there in front of people, and they

1529
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 1: can do a lot of targeting, by the way, and

1530
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 1: the more you get into this, the more you realize

1531
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 1: the big brother stuff really does apply because they they

1532
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 1: can figure out all kinds of data based on the

1533
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 1: websites you're visiting, and you know where you live, and

1534
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 1: that's how all of a sudden, it's you know, uh,

1535
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:23,080
Speaker 1: check out she Sheila's handmade jewelry two blocks from your

1536
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 1: house is appearing on your screen. You're like, what, how

1537
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 1: do they know that that's so close to me? Well,

1538
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 1: because you're looking for jewelry yesterday, because they know what

1539
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 1: town you're in. And you see how this all goes, right,

1540
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:36,639
Speaker 1: So internet advertising is a fascinating and kind of eerie

1541
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 1: phenomenon in its own right. Um, but the way that

1542
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,680
Speaker 1: so CPMs is how they make money. And if you

1543
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:50,800
Speaker 1: have an advertiser, um Bob's umbrellas that is on a

1544
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:52,560
Speaker 1: whole bunch of different sites, they may not even know.

1545
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:54,640
Speaker 1: They just know that they're getting a hundred thousand or

1546
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:58,599
Speaker 1: a million views of their at right by Bob's Umbrella

1547
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:04,160
Speaker 1: as you click here at these companies like uh or

1548
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 1: not companies, rather these efforts run by the Twitter account

1549
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 1: like sleeping giants, But there are others who are doing this.

1550
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,960
Speaker 1: What they do is they figure out who the advertisers

1551
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:15,960
Speaker 1: are and then where those ads are going that they

1552
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 1: don't like, and they will publicly try to shame them

1553
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 1: and say, you know, hey, uh, Bob's umbrellas, you're advertising

1554
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:28,080
Speaker 1: on this right wing side, you're advertising on Breitbart, you're

1555
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,479
Speaker 1: advertising on the Daily Call, you're advertising on you know,

1556
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 1: just name a conservative site. And they try to spook

1557
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 1: them to try to scare the the advertiser into insisting

1558
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 1: that its ads get pulled from those sites. Now, this

1559
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:48,680
Speaker 1: is a very effective, very targeted way of hurting the

1560
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 1: revenue of companies that are based in the content and

1561
01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 1: news space. And once you add into this that there

1562
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 1: are increasingly very few companies that really do and I

1563
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 1: I had tip our friend Ben dominicch Over at The

1564
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:09,519
Speaker 1: Federalist for writing about the only kind of protests that

1565
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 1: works on the Federalist dot com. Andy addresses this issue,

1566
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 1: Uh that you have Amazon and Google and these mega

1567
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 1: companies that are in charge of more and more of

1568
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 1: both the business that that's transacted online as well as

1569
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 1: in the case of something like Google and Google Ads

1570
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:34,800
Speaker 1: and Facebook. Uh, they're expected to capture as ben rights

1571
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 1: here of new advertising and sixty new digital spending in well,

1572
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 1: if you can pressure Google and Facebook to refuse to

1573
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:49,640
Speaker 1: put ads to to refuse to share or or to

1574
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:55,600
Speaker 1: use their stock of ads on certain sites because they're conservative,

1575
01:37:56,479 --> 01:38:00,040
Speaker 1: you can crush websites out there that need re a

1576
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:01,840
Speaker 1: new to survive right. They have to pay, the writers

1577
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:03,680
Speaker 1: have to pay, the developers have to pay people to

1578
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:06,640
Speaker 1: run the back end. If you can come up with

1579
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:12,320
Speaker 1: a successful social media shaming campaign uh to go after

1580
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 1: the Googles and the facebooks you it's this is like

1581
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 1: the bill O'Reilly effect, but digital, meaning they can take

1582
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 1: out anybody because once the advertising is gone, it doesn't

1583
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 1: matter how popular you are if you're not able to

1584
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 1: monetize those views unless you have a direct subscription business,

1585
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:34,240
Speaker 1: meaning people pay you for your content directly instead of

1586
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:39,720
Speaker 1: people paying you for the audience you create for advertisers

1587
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:42,479
Speaker 1: to get some exposure to. That's the traditional ad model.

1588
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 1: It's the ad model with CPMs and such online um

1589
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:49,280
Speaker 1: not to be confused with cost per acquisition, that's how

1590
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 1: much it costs for you to get get a new

1591
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:54,920
Speaker 1: user or get new eyeball c p a cp M,

1592
01:38:55,080 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 1: as I said, is per thousand eyes on your ad um.

1593
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 1: But as as I see this plying out, you know,

1594
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 1: you have Facebook and Google increasingly doing and Twitter uh

1595
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 1: censorship and playing the role of political police for speech,

1596
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 1: which means PC police. You have people using those same platforms,

1597
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 1: especially Facebook and Twitter, to do the social media shaming

1598
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 1: campaigns to a target um political entities that they don't like, right,

1599
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 1: to target news sites, and to target organizations or or

1600
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 1: individuals that are only able to make a living be

1601
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:40,960
Speaker 1: because they're able to UH sell ad space or their

1602
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 1: sites at least are only able to stay alive because

1603
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:47,600
Speaker 1: of their ability to to be a place where inventory

1604
01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 1: from these ad agencies is going. And this is all

1605
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:53,599
Speaker 1: very centrally controlled. There are dominant players in the space.

1606
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 1: So sure, right now, it's maybe some of you don't

1607
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 1: mind that much, you don't care. Breitbart's ad revenue is

1608
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 1: portly fallen off a cliff because of these efforts, um.

1609
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 1: But if they can do it to bright part, they

1610
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:06,559
Speaker 1: can do it to anybody in the space. And if

1611
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 1: they can target advertisers and get O'Reilly thrown off air,

1612
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:13,600
Speaker 1: there's no one who's safe in the conservative space. And

1613
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:18,560
Speaker 1: if these digital boycott efforts catch on in such a

1614
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:22,320
Speaker 1: way that they can pressure the Googles, the facebooks, and

1615
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:26,120
Speaker 1: the twitters of the world to uh make sure that

1616
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:31,240
Speaker 1: they want either removed content entirely, but less even uh

1617
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:36,080
Speaker 1: less abusive than that, just refuse to run their ad

1618
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 1: inventory for Google Ads or for Facebook on certain sites.

1619
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:42,760
Speaker 1: Those sites are are are dead in the water. I

1620
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:45,679
Speaker 1: mean they are finished. They are done because they can't

1621
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:51,360
Speaker 1: make any money. They're unsustainable enterprises. So this is speech suppression.

1622
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:56,560
Speaker 1: It is very easy to do. It's already been successful

1623
01:40:56,640 --> 01:41:01,080
Speaker 1: on the left and the the petty totalitary of progressivism

1624
01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:06,680
Speaker 1: are leveraging digital tools for social media shaming campaigns to

1625
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:11,120
Speaker 1: end free speech. Quite honestly, that's what's happening. So sleeping

1626
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:13,439
Speaker 1: giants and others, we'll talk about them in the future more.

1627
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:25,519
Speaker 1: We will be right back. Yeah, I know, it's Friday, team.

1628
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:29,360
Speaker 1: So for a good amount of you probably uh getting

1629
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:31,000
Speaker 1: on the road, either just to get back home, or

1630
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:34,639
Speaker 1: maybe you're heading out somewhere for a nice weekend away.

1631
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:39,960
Speaker 1: Maybe you're going camping or driving to visit the in laws,

1632
01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:42,040
Speaker 1: and maybe you love visiting your in laws. I have

1633
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:45,600
Speaker 1: no idea, but I'm sure you're probably preparing for us

1634
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:50,519
Speaker 1: some fun stuff this weekend, regardless, hopefully. Uh. And driving

1635
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:55,120
Speaker 1: is just a part of the American cultural experience, you know,

1636
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:57,519
Speaker 1: owning a car, learning and drive a car, even for me,

1637
01:41:58,160 --> 01:41:59,840
Speaker 1: you know, in New York City. I think I learned

1638
01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:04,080
Speaker 1: to drive when I was maybe seventeen, uh, and I

1639
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:07,120
Speaker 1: was I had to take drivers ed, I remember, and

1640
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,640
Speaker 1: I had this uh this driving this driving instructor was

1641
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:14,200
Speaker 1: always like, Buck, you're doing good, but you're not as

1642
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:15,760
Speaker 1: good as you think you are. Buddy, all right, you're

1643
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:18,000
Speaker 1: doing good, but not that good. Stop thinking you so good.

1644
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:20,280
Speaker 1: And I was always like, look, man, I mean I've

1645
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:22,360
Speaker 1: got skills behind the wheel. What can I say? And

1646
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:24,160
Speaker 1: he's like, Buck, you're getting no, no, no, you're not

1647
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:26,080
Speaker 1: You're not as good as you think you're. You're doing good,

1648
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:27,880
Speaker 1: but not that good. And I was like, what does

1649
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:29,959
Speaker 1: that mean? Good but not that good? But I digress.

1650
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 1: Um he was he was a born and raised New

1651
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:35,040
Speaker 1: Yorker and he always thought that I was a little

1652
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:38,679
Speaker 1: too a little a little heavy on the accelerator maybe anyway,

1653
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:40,719
Speaker 1: But I learned how to drive here in New York City,

1654
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:43,000
Speaker 1: which is great because it's like learning how to drive

1655
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:48,360
Speaker 1: in an obstacle course, there's constant unknown happening to you

1656
01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 1: all the time, belligerent people on their horn behind you

1657
01:42:52,439 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 1: at all times. It's just, uh, it's learning to drive

1658
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:59,280
Speaker 1: in a high stress environment. But cars have been a

1659
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:03,080
Speaker 1: part of America's ends for a long time, and they

1660
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:09,040
Speaker 1: signify independence and they signify a lot of the American

1661
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:15,880
Speaker 1: attitude about self reliance. And cars are changing, though, we

1662
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:20,559
Speaker 1: are entering a period where technology could, according to UH

1663
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:23,240
Speaker 1: some pieces I've read, including one recently the Wall Street

1664
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:26,720
Speaker 1: Journal called the end of car ownership, could mean that

1665
01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:30,200
Speaker 1: people are gonna stop buying cars, or at least they're

1666
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:31,840
Speaker 1: not going to own a car the way they have

1667
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:33,880
Speaker 1: in the past. You know, I know people that are

1668
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:38,400
Speaker 1: so protective of their vehicle. They're they're so invested in

1669
01:43:38,479 --> 01:43:41,200
Speaker 1: their vehicle that they won't let anyone else drive it,

1670
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, and and it's a prized possession, and they

1671
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 1: have very strict rules. You know, No eating French fries

1672
01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:50,680
Speaker 1: in the back buck, you know, No, no eating your

1673
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:54,920
Speaker 1: Moca soy latte snot soy please, Moca whole milk latte

1674
01:43:55,439 --> 01:43:57,400
Speaker 1: in the front buck. Like you know, there's there's some

1675
01:43:57,439 --> 01:43:59,679
Speaker 1: people that are very strict about this, uh, this stuff

1676
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:03,080
Speaker 1: in the vehicles. But a major part of the sharing

1677
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:08,120
Speaker 1: economy is likely to be the sharing of vehicles. Um,

1678
01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:11,920
Speaker 1: you may have driverless cars first of all, so that

1679
01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:14,720
Speaker 1: will change the whole perception of this is something that

1680
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm doing, that's part of my autonomy, and there's a

1681
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:20,040
Speaker 1: skill set involved. And I know people that are very

1682
01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:24,760
Speaker 1: very big egos. Even even so my own family members are.

1683
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:27,840
Speaker 1: I think there are exceptional drivers and they're better than

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Speaker 1: other drivers, which is is fine and good. But if

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Speaker 1: you're just gonna get into a vehicle like the way

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Speaker 1: you get into a bus, a train, or a plane

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Speaker 1: right now, if you're gonna get into a car and

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Speaker 1: that's the way that it is, it just takes you

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Speaker 1: wherever because it's all automated, well, that will change. But

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Speaker 1: also the notion of just owning a vehicle, especially if

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Speaker 1: you live in a city. I mean, this will come

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Speaker 1: to the city's first parking and car in New York,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's true in other cities as well. Is

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Speaker 1: expensive and if you're not going to take the expense

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Speaker 1: on is just an insanely stress experience because there's all

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Speaker 1: these regulations about your car on the street, and uh

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Speaker 1: so people in the cities, it's likely are going to

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Speaker 1: be um sharing vehicles. People in the cities are gonna

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Speaker 1: be buying cars and maybe renting them out as though

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Speaker 1: you're like your own personal hurts or something, which, by

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Speaker 1: the way, makes me think that the rental car companies

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01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:25,000
Speaker 1: are going to be in all kinds of trouble because

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01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:29,200
Speaker 1: once sharing what once you can airbnb, which is a

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Speaker 1: way of sharing your home by the way, via the

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Speaker 1: Internet and getting paid for it. Once Airbnb for your

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01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 1: vehicle is a commonplace thing, and it's already happening right now.

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Speaker 1: Uh people with view cars as a shared investment. It

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Speaker 1: will no longer be this individual ownership signal of success

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01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:51,200
Speaker 1: and who I am and my you know station in life,

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01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:55,680
Speaker 1: or just my reliance on on self and you know

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01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:59,200
Speaker 1: independence and all that stuff that comes along with car ownership.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be fading away very quickly. So I just

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Speaker 1: think that this is gonna be a huge challenge for

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Speaker 1: the automakers. Uh These on demand services like Uber are

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Speaker 1: only going to expand and get more and more convenient. Look,

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Speaker 1: I never rent a car anymore. I just use Uber

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Speaker 1: when I go somewhere, uh, and I think that I'm

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Speaker 1: not alone, especially my generation. So as you're in your

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Speaker 1: car this weekend, just I'm telling you, you're gonna be

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Speaker 1: telling your grandkids, um at some point or or maybe

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01:46:27,160 --> 01:46:30,160
Speaker 1: your kids. Uh, you're gonna be telling about how you

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01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:33,280
Speaker 1: used to have to drive the vehicle yourself and you

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Speaker 1: owned a car, and that's all gonna be going away.

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Speaker 1: So enjoy. If you got the top down, or if

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Speaker 1: you're in a pickup truck and you got the windows

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01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:45,000
Speaker 1: rolled down, or you know, you're in a convertible with whatever,

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Speaker 1: enjoy it because this is a part of the American experience,

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01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 1: a romantic part of the American experience. Your own vehicle,

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Speaker 1: whether you're leasing it or buying it, but in a

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Speaker 1: vehicle that is yours, that you operate, that's just for

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01:46:57,080 --> 01:47:00,519
Speaker 1: you and yours to use, give it a few years,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna go away. So while the wind's in your

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Speaker 1: hair and you're having a great weekend, I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to share that with you. To enjoy this time with

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Speaker 1: your vehicle because it's all gonna be changing in the

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Speaker 1: years ahead. Team have a fantastic weekend. Looking forward to

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Speaker 1: joining you. Of course, next week. Please share the podcast

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Speaker 1: with a friend. Just tell one friend about Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 1: With American Now this weekend until next time, Shields Up