WEBVTT - Jessica Jones: Complete Series Recap 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:06.199 Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for all of Jessica Jones's stuff, 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:10.680 all of their story arcs, all her seasons from the 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:14.600 eponymous Jessica Jones television show on Netflix, and. 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:17.640 For her work in The Defenders. 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:22.479 I continued, Jesu's under the worst. It's not good, but 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:26.200 it's not there's moments anyway, Now. 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:28.600 Twenty years later, after all we've been through. 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.960 Hello, my name is Jason Eccepcion and I'm Rosey Night, 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:46.279 and welcome back to x Revision of the podcast, where 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.400 we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics of 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:50.800 pop culture. Coming you from my heart, We're bringing three 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:53.400 episodes a week, plus news plus DAWs. 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:56.560 In today's episode, we are revisiting those major events from 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:59.200 the Netflix series Jessica Jones. Remember when that came out 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:03.520 twenty fifty eleven years ago, a totally different time. We 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:07.600 could have believe it. We were getting multiple MCU ground 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:11.360 level shows on Netflix of all places. Of course, the 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:14.560 streaming landscape has changed, but we're here to prep you 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:19.440 for what hasn't changed. Before her appearance in dard Evil 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.400 Born Again Season two, will then recommend a little bit 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:24.440 of her comic book history some of our fabe arcs 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.319 and will predict to how Jessica will respond to a 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:30.440 Wilson Fisk round New York. I'm predicting not very well. 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:35.360 But first, let's recap those episodes. 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:39.600 First season one of Jessica Jones, which debuted in twenty 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:41.399 fifty to twenty fifty. 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:45.240 My god, eleven years ago. I can't believe it. Twenty fifteen. 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:49.320 The show opens with Jessica Jones, already having been through 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.400 a whole lot. Family died in a car crash when 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:57.160 she was a teenager. She is severely injured in the crash, 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:02.280 and mysterious organization called Igh pulls Jessica out of the wreckage, 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:06.360 does experiments on her, and as a result, she has 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:15.040 superhuman strength, superhuman endurance, and ability to withstand damage, and 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.079 she can kind of fly. She calls it guided falling. 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:22.080 She gets adopted by Dorothy Walker, a stage mother of 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:25.000 the most ambitious and ruthless variety, who takes Jessica in 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:28.840 partly as like a promo stunt to promote her daughter, 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:32.040 Patsy's television show. But the good thing is Jessica and 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:36.200 Patsy hit it off and they become best friends. Then 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:41.520 there's Kilgrave Kevin Thompson, who as a kid was experimented 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.560 on by his parents in order to create like a 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:50.880 cure for a degenerative brain disease. And did it work? 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:51.880 Did it not work? 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:52.560 Well? 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.680 If the goal was to create a person with the 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.799 power to control other people's minds and make them do things, 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:04.120 then yeah great. His parents realized they created a monster, 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:08.119 so they fled, and young Kevin, soon to be killed 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.840 Grave grows up alone, basically learning to use his powers 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:19.280 to survive and becoming a completely amoral whoops, don Donna said, 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:26.040 I hate kill Grave. She's becoming an amoral, vicious abuser. 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:30.720 He finds Jessica Jones controls her for a period of 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:37.000 eight months. He keeps her in captivity, essentially abuses her 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:40.720 sexually assaults her. But the thing that finally breaks Jessica 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.960 free is when she is ordered to kill a woman 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.920 named Reva Connors, who she barely knows and is the 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:49.720 wife of someone that later on she's gonna care about 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.040 a lot. Jessica escapes, she moaves to Hell's kitchen. She 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:57.480 becomes a private detective. She becomes an alcoholic. Later, a 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.360 college athlete named Hope Schlatman goes missing her, her parents 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:05.040 hire Jessica. Jessica finds out that this whole thing is 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.320 probably a setup. She recognizes the outlines of what has 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.800 happened here. There's a nice girl, this new man the 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.840 hotel room. Folks, it's kill Grave. He set a trap 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:17.520 in order to find Jessica. Jessica gets hope out, puts 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:21.360 her on a bush, walks off the bus, shoots both 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.080 her parents in an elevator under Killgrave's control. 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:27.880 Kill Grave's back, folks, Dude, that's one of the craziest 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:33.280 endings to a model will ever And you Jessica just 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.480 walking away once again in that horrific feeling of like, 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.560 this is my fault. Everyone that I try and help 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.400 gets hut. But of course the fault is at the 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.800 hands of kill Grave. But yeah, that episode ending shocked 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:45.560 me when we. 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:47.279 Rewatched Very Dark. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:48.680 Wow, this whole season is. 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:50.640 It's so so dark. 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:57.000 So Jessica wants not just to capture and kill kill Grave, 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:04.160 but to essentially he reveal his powers and his existence 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:07.640 to the world, to document what he's done in order 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:13.000 to clear the names of his victims and hopefully get 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:17.919 people to realize that this man is a superpowered villain, 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.440 and those do exist. Along the way, she meets Luke 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:24.960 Cage Bulletproof Bartender. They have a relationship, but of course 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.039 Jessica's got a lot of trauma. She's got a lot 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.360 of secrets she can't tell him, and when she eventually 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:37.159 does tell him, it's a devastating reveal. Killgrave gets worse 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.520 and worse. He buys Jessica's child at home. He gets 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:45.760 his father, Albert Thompson, the guy who did the experiments 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.680 on him as a child, to perform a different procedure 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.080 in order to amplify his powers, which he then goes 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:55.160 out and like tag, yeah, no, do that. Hope Schlatman 0:05:55.360 --> 0:06:00.440 kills herself in prison. It's a terrible moment of agency 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:04.280 by her, a desire to take control before kil Grave 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.599 can take it back. And it's important because it frees 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.840 Jessica from the obligation to try and save Hope also, 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.400 and it just frees her to just stop kill Grave. 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.520 The finale, kill Grave takes over an auditorium. He commands 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:24.880 Jessica and it seems like it's working, but unbeknownst to everyone, 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.400 she has spent weeks building a tolerance to his power 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:31.200 because she's kind of understands now how the power works, 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:36.080 and she's allowed herself, through controlled exposure, one session at 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:38.120 a time, to make herself resistant the way you kind 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.719 of resist a virus, which is his power works very 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:44.120 similar to a virus. She lets him believe right up 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.599 until the last moment that she is under his control, 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:48.520 and then she breaks his neck. He dies mid sentence, 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:53.400 mid delusion, absolutely convinced that she is coming back to 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:59.480 him and he's dead. A wonderful ending, yes, very very dark, scotic. 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:06.720 Paul and Larry's Durnock season great, great, just terrible experience 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:09.680 to watch that show, but in like a really cathartic way. 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.800 And of course now we are onto Jason's not faith, 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.080 but he will defend it the Defenders. He is the 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:18.000 Defender Defender, just like I am the Eternal's eternal fan. 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.720 All four heroes are at some kind of rock bottom 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:23.920 when we meet them in The Defenders twenty seventeen. Matt 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:25.960 Murdock has quit being dead of or he's gone back 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:29.160 to law. It never lasts long, but you know he's trying. 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.520 He's trying. Luke Caate's just go out of prison. Will 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.040 they stop putting him in there never that's his curse. 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:37.840 Apparently Danny Rand just got back from kodlun Well, and 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:41.240 Jessica is just still Jessica. She's still going through it. 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:43.840 Her current case is a missing husband, which we know 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.960 is what she traffics in. John Raymond, an architect married 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.880 to a woman named Michelle, has vanished. Jessica traces him 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:54.520 to tunnels underground beneath a gleaming Manhattan skyscraper called Midland Circle. 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:59.160 John Raymond left explosives behind. He wanted to destroy it himself, 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:01.680 and that's when we find out that the Hand none 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.240 other than the iconic Marvel villain group. The Hand is 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:07.760 in the tunnels underneath the building, an ancient criminal organization 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.720 that's been threading its way through all four solo series, 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.120 converging now because New York sits on one of the 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.360 last deposits of the substance powering their resurrection. 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:21.560 This is rituals, this is where is this stuff? Goofy Absolutely, 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:25.280 it's so, it's kind of fun, it's kind of yeah. 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:26.080 But this. 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:29.560 I will defend it. I will continue to. 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:30.160 Do I get it. 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:34.520 You're saying, you're not necessarily this is going the specifics 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:39.199 of the resurrection ritual magic running under Wishbusters. 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.760 It's very Ghostbusters and you just wish the hand was 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.160 better and not run by a white woman. Also, like 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:46.960 this is how. 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:52.320 Weird, especially strange, especially when they had actually already introduced 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.840 like multiple incredible like Asian, American and Asian women in 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.120 the in the lead up to the hand reveal. So 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.560 that white woman Alexander Ree and her weapon is oh 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:06.400 bad news for Matt Murdoch. Electra Nacchios's ex girlfriend, who 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.400 is killed at the end of Dead Level season two 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.600 and has now been resurrected as the Black Sky. The 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:16.959 four heroes come together badly. They attack a hand. They 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.440 deal with a hand attack at a Chinese restaurant that 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.719 forces the issue, allowing them to have that big Avengers 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:24.720 esque fight for the first time. It takes a little 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:26.880 bit long to get there, but works pretty well. I 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.400 think that fight scene hat stands up and it is 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.439 pretty satisfying. Jessica's response to learning there are other powered 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:36.360 people is not wonder or solidarity, though it is mild 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.360 dry contempt. She is interested in the case, that is all, 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:41.200 though I don't believe her because I know her eyes 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.440 lit up. Yeah, she saw dead evil Matt Murdoch come on, 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:49.040 the Hand needs Danny Brandt specifically, Oh really, that seems unlikely. 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:50.839 It seems like the kind of choice little white person 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:55.200 running the Hand would make. And Iron Fist is the 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:59.280 only one who can open the chamber below Midland Circle. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.920 It is Iron Fist and the rest of the series 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.000 is the four hero is trying and mostly failing to 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:08.400 prevent that from happening. Alexandra gets killed by Electra. That's 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.320 Calma baby who hands. He takes over the Hand and 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.840 starts acting on instinct love that former Electra pushing through. 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:16.880 Matt can see it, and he won't leave it alone 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:20.160 because he loves her. The finale goes underground, the fights ugly. 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.280 Matt stays behind. He's made his choice about Electra and 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.960 nobody's talking him out of it. Jessica, Luke and Danny 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:29.440 get out, Midland Circle collapses. Matt Murdoch is, by all 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.040 available evidence dead. 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:32.960 He's that's it. That's it. 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.160 You're never gonna see him again, guys, Sorry if you 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:39.000 like that character. Jessica Jonas, who has resisted every step 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:40.720 of this, walks back out into the city and just 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:42.680 goes back to work in New York and god damn it, 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:43.760 we respect her for it. 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:48.640 That leads us to season two of Jessica Jones from 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:52.280 twenty eighteen, also feeling like a million years ago. Yeah, 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:58.600 this season is primarily about Igh and what they did, 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.880 what else they did in addition to experimenting on Jessica, 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:07.160 there is a killer who is working through everyone connected 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:10.240 to Igh, eliminating them before Jessica can talk to them. 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:15.040 The killer is Alyssa Jones, Oh, Jessica's mom, who Jessica 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:18.800 believed was dead in that car crash seventeen years ago. 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:19.960 Except crazy. 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:25.079 Alyssa's injuries were so catastrophic that Igh's treatment took many, 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:29.720 many years to work, and when she came out the 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:34.920 other side of it, she I guess you would essentially say, 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:41.960 has like borderline personalities interest She goes from a very loving, 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:46.720 like generous mom to like a ruthless killer. 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:47.400 At the drop of a hat. 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:52.840 Yeah, it's a really interesting choice, and it's one of 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:54.960 many that we get in season two where they kind 0:11:54.960 --> 0:12:00.360 of start to bring about different versions of is that 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:01.199 we've seen before. 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:07.240 Yes, right, so Alissa has spent this intervening seventeen years 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:11.719 trying to kind of manage these wild swings in her 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.800 personality with the help of doctor Carl Malice, an igh 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:21.120 scientist who experimented on both mother and daughter and with 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:25.280 whom she has fallen apparently sincerely in love with. 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.880 No no, no, no, no baby. This is bad news. 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:33.840 It's not as there's a lot of problems with this, 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:36.600 but it's hard to explain that to Alyssa in her 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:41.679 current state. Meanwhile, Trish is spiraling separately. She is feeling 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:45.200 like she doesn't have agency, doesn't have control of her life, 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.800 and she really wants powers. She's always wanted them. She 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:51.920 wants to be a superhero. She gets access to combat 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.920 enhancer that turns Simpson into a liability. She uses it, 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:59.320 she gets addicted and tells herself everything she's doing is 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:02.880 to help Tessica. Jerry Hogarth finds out she has als. 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.080 She gets conned by two people who offer her a 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:07.520 healer and then rob her. 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.440 And leave her disy. 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.280 Also, like I do, I will say did completely forget 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.360 to shout out that there's a lot of like hot 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:21.200 Trinity action lesbian action in the first season of Jessica Jones, 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.800 which you know does does continue here. 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:29.400 Yes, Malice dies Alica escapes, Jessica goes with her towards 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.000 Canada with the police, you know, hot on their trail. 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.520 Alyssa pulls over at a fair ground she and Jessica 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:36.120 visited when Jessica was a child. 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:41.120 Then Trish shoots her because she's been taking that nuke, 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:42.840 that crazy taking. 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.480 That new mothery, and she tells Jessica she did it 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:52.760 to protect her. Jessica and Tricia's friendship continues, It survives, like. 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.080 Those two are so fucked up by Tricia's mind. 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.400 Of course, Jessica is more alone at the end of 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.760 season two than she was at the beginning and even 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:01.160 at the beginning of season one. 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:05.200 Yeah, okay, that takes us to Jessica Jones's last on 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:09.200 screen appearance, Jessica Jones Season three from twenty nineteen. The 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:14.400 villain is Gregory Salinger, an unpowered serial killer, formula champion wrestler, 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.040 and a man who has built an entire philosophy around 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:21.000 the idea that exceptional ability is cheating, that it devalues 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.400 human achievement, and the gifted people of frauds who deserve 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.400 to be exposed. He is methodical. He understands evidence and 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.960 how to avoid leaving it he studies Jessica specifically and 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.560 adjusts around her. And honestly, I gotta say, Jessica, you 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.160 were really gonna get this happened into you at some point, 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.400 because you've just been going around lifted around cars. 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:39.920 Like even after the Battle of. 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.760 New York, when everyone was pretty like anti the events 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.520 and the superheros, you were still just like throwing a car, 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.120 like threatening a guy with laser eyes. So this was 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:51.440 probably gonna happen for you. Now Trish has those powers, 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:55.760 she has those enhanced reflexes, that agility, night vision, the 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.320 kind of feline precision that the comics will call hell 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.920 Cap because that is who Patsy Walker is originally. And 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:04.640 the take that they did is very interesting on this 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.560 notion of her being kind of a fictionalized version, just 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:08.960 like she is in the comics, but here she's the 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.080 fictionalized version pushed on by a kind of fame hungry mother. 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:16.360 It's very interesting. So now we have another superhor vigilante 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.680 on the streets, hell Cat, and then Salaja is like, 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.160 I gotta do something about this. I'm sick of these vigilantes. 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.640 This is sounding very akin to what we saw Wilson 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.120 do in Born again, so I think we could definitely 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:30.320 see some parallels here. But he breaks into Dorothy Walker's 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.720 home and murders her. Dun, dun. It's Trish who finds 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.000 the body, and that is it. She's over it. She 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.920 stops trying to work within any system. She hunts Salndary down, 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.600 finds him in a courthouse elevator and chains and kills him. Wow, 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:45.840 not even able to defend himself. 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:46.760 Crazy. 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.600 And Jessica, who is kind of spent the whole season 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:53.360 holding Trish back, is now kind of having to face 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.200 what season two asked her to face, which is like, Babe, 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.200 your friend just shot your mom in the head, Like, 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.360 got to do something about that. So she just to 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.880 expose Trish publicly. Not the way I would have dealt 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:06.640 with it, but you know, go for it, Babe. Turns 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.480 her into a fugitive, very Spider Man esque, turns her 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:11.680 into a small airport on Long Island, where Trish is 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.520 trying to flee the country in a coffin, literally in 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.400 a coffin. This is so Sunset Beach, Like, I love 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:21.800 this insane plot. Like in the final confrontation, Trish tries 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.560 to stab Jessica through the chest, but Jessica lets it 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.200 go through her hand knocks her, you know, kind of 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.920 adopted sister and best friend out, and then Trisha ends 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.640 up in the raft. Bro I feel like that was 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:38.080 kind of hardcore, Like, I mean, the raft is crazy. Yes, 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.720 that's where they put the Avengers when they won't sign 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:44.200 the fucking like so Kovia accords. This woman just like 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.280 stabbed a couple of people that have us all the time. 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:50.360 But very interesting. I definitely think this is one of 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:53.240 the ultimate threads that could be brought back because we 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.560 are going back to the raft. Also, we know they're 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.760 trying to fill those damage control prisons. We could see 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.040 prisoners from the raft less important prisons. 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:00.560 And up there. 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:05.560 Jessica then hands over ALIAS investigations to Malcolm her kind 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.000 of ally throughout this, she goes to a bus take 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.560 and buys a ticket to El Paso, Texas, and then 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:15.480 she stands there hearing kill Grave's voice. It's really just 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:19.439 her PTSD, don't worry the anxiety of it, given strength 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:21.520 and sound, and he's telling her, yeah, give up, like 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:23.800 go away, this is what you should do. Run away 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.639 like you always do. You're right, And in that moment, 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.080 she turns around and she goes back to New York 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.960 because she's like, fuck kill Grave and fuck PTSD, fuck 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:35.040 ol Paso, Texas too. I guess she's like, I'm staying 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.280 in New York. I'm paying forty five hundred dollars for rent. 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:38.080 It's important. 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.520 Let's say a quick break and we'll discuss the lasting 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:45.440 legacy of Jessica Jones Seasons one, two, and three plus 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:46.080 The Defenders. 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:01.960 Okay, we're back. 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.600 First of it's crazy, it feels like this show came 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.479 out a lifetime ago. This was like the heat of 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:11.280 Me Too, and this show was responding to it in 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.679 a way that it feels, I mean, rewatching this, it 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:16.600 was like I'm back in that time. I felt like 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:20.679 I was back in it. The show grapples with those 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:24.040 kinds of with that kind of subject matter, the idea 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:30.400 of trauma, the idea of trauma related to sexual assault, control, 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:38.320 coercive behavior, getting people to believe you, and turns it 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:42.399 into really gripping, a dark drama. I think it absolutely 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:45.959 stands up, but it's also like, it also feels like 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:49.200 such a it's crazy to be like, God, I wish 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:52.000 we could go back to twenty fifteen a little bit. 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:56.840 TI Generation definitely kind of deal is kind of like 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:00.200 we remember that arrow at twenty fifteen we were like, oh, 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.600 that was like we're doing some stuff was happening, And 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:04.920 from twenty sixteen on whatevery year, we're like, wait, let's 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:07.400 go back man, Like I think that was the last one. 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:09.560 It does feel crazy to watch a show like this 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.760 that was just roundly celebrated when it came out. There 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.000 was no controversy. It was not like it's well, I'm 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:16.760 sure there was a little bit, but the conversation was 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.280 not it's too woke, it's anti men. It was a 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:23.560 conversation going, wow, here is a show that has been 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:27.640 adapted by women from comics made by men that had 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:31.440 their own subversive, radical nature, but also needed to be evolved, 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:33.760 just like Jessica Jones as a character will need to 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:36.560 be evolved. And some of the choices that we were 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:38.960 made in season one of Jessica Jones, especially around Reava 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.520 and Luke, those still don't hit very well for people. 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.560 And that's a project of its time and who made 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:46.919 the show too. But it did feel like it was 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:50.040 moving in the right direction. It was the ark of 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:53.119 justice is going towards like you know, justice not the 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:55.640 other way. So I think it feels crazy to watch 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:57.639 something and just be able to feel like wow, like 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:01.760 this is so definitively about how wrong this man's actions are, 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.760 and it uses superheroes as a way it's always been 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:08.000 done to tell this really analogous, powerful story. I found 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:11.159 this stuff with Hope in the first episode so heartbreaking, 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:14.119 because there's that moment where Jessica goes into the hotel 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:16.080 and literally has to drag her out of the room 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:18.040 and she's going, I can't leave, and she's screaming and 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:21.280 she's holding on, and we know it's because kill Grave, 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:25.480 not kill Manger. He would never do that. A radical man. 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:29.639 Kill Grave has programmed her and that is why we 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:32.040 know she's doing it. But the response looks like a 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.760 woman who is so scared to leave her abusive partner 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:36.640 that she doesn't want to leave in case she gets 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.440 in trouble or something happens to her or she upsets him. 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:42.800 It's really visceral stuff, and I think it really does 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:45.879 feel like it has so much more edge and so 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.520 much more grit than what we get now in superhero 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.520 shows in general, and it's very interesting. One of my 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.600 favorite things about watching these odd shows is seeing what 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:57.080 they were allowed to say and not allowed to say. 0:20:57.200 --> 0:20:59.520 Like you don't get a lot of character mention names, 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.919 don't get a lot of stuff about you know in 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:05.440 the comics, as we will get into, but like Jessica 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:07.639 Jones was originally going to be Jessica Drew, so there 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.280 are all these Spider Man connections but obviously couldn't do that. 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:13.160 We have these connections to Carol Danvers, but she wasn't 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:15.159 in the MCU yet. So it's really and this is 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:17.399 when you know, Jeff Loebe was still running TV and 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:19.760 five you was still running the movies. So it's also 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:23.280 this really interesting historical time piece of how they worked 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:31.120 around those kind of issues and write and legacy and license, which, 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:33.040 by the way, guys, as me and Jason always say, 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:34.960 is one of the reasons that MCU is so amazing 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:37.359 because it was working against all of those things that 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:40.920 was causing them to be interesting. Do different takes take 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:43.439 from different places. So I think you really feel that 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:45.680 coming through, and I hope that it can bring a 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:48.399 little bit more of that grit back. I also just 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:51.200 thought the banter between her and Luke was so good, 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:55.040 like that just struck me. This is great flirtatious writing. 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:59.639 This is why I like Defenders, because even though the 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:01.760 story sucks and they did a bad job with the 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:07.320 hand and many other things, the banter between the heroes 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:13.600 is legitimately fun. Like the restaurant attack is fun. The 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:16.479 way they all kind of like work together get to 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:19.520 know each other begrudgingly. The way they make fun of 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:23.600 Maks the only one wearing a mask, is like legitimately fun. 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:27.000 And they had Greek chemistry and that it was part 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:31.080 of what made Jessica Jones so fun, particularly season one, 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:34.720 which I think is among the best things that Marvel's 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:35.120 ever done. 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:36.000