1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:06,199 Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for all of Jessica Jones's stuff, 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: all of their story arcs, all her seasons from the 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: eponymous Jessica Jones television show on Netflix, and. 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: For her work in The Defenders. 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: I continued, Jesu's under the worst. It's not good, but 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: it's not there's moments anyway, Now. 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 3: Twenty years later, after all we've been through. 8 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: Hello, my name is Jason Eccepcion and I'm Rosey Night, 9 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: and welcome back to x Revision of the podcast, where 10 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics of 11 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: pop culture. Coming you from my heart, We're bringing three 12 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: episodes a week, plus news plus DAWs. 13 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 3: In today's episode, we are revisiting those major events from 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 3: the Netflix series Jessica Jones. Remember when that came out 15 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 3: twenty fifty eleven years ago, a totally different time. We 16 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 3: could have believe it. We were getting multiple MCU ground 17 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 3: level shows on Netflix of all places. Of course, the 18 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 3: streaming landscape has changed, but we're here to prep you 19 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 3: for what hasn't changed. Before her appearance in dard Evil 20 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 3: Born Again Season two, will then recommend a little bit 21 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: of her comic book history some of our fabe arcs 22 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 3: and will predict to how Jessica will respond to a 23 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 3: Wilson Fisk round New York. I'm predicting not very well. 24 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 3: But first, let's recap those episodes. 25 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: First season one of Jessica Jones, which debuted in twenty 26 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: fifty to twenty fifty. 27 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: My god, eleven years ago. I can't believe it. Twenty fifteen. 28 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: The show opens with Jessica Jones, already having been through 29 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: a whole lot. Family died in a car crash when 30 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: she was a teenager. She is severely injured in the crash, 31 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: and mysterious organization called Igh pulls Jessica out of the wreckage, 32 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: does experiments on her, and as a result, she has 33 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: superhuman strength, superhuman endurance, and ability to withstand damage, and 34 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: she can kind of fly. She calls it guided falling. 35 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: She gets adopted by Dorothy Walker, a stage mother of 36 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: the most ambitious and ruthless variety, who takes Jessica in 37 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: partly as like a promo stunt to promote her daughter, 38 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: Patsy's television show. But the good thing is Jessica and 39 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: Patsy hit it off and they become best friends. Then 40 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: there's Kilgrave Kevin Thompson, who as a kid was experimented 41 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: on by his parents in order to create like a 42 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: cure for a degenerative brain disease. And did it work? 43 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: Did it not work? 44 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: Well? 45 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: If the goal was to create a person with the 46 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: power to control other people's minds and make them do things, 47 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: then yeah great. His parents realized they created a monster, 48 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:08,119 Speaker 1: so they fled, and young Kevin, soon to be killed 49 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: Grave grows up alone, basically learning to use his powers 50 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: to survive and becoming a completely amoral whoops, don Donna said, 51 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: I hate kill Grave. She's becoming an amoral, vicious abuser. 52 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: He finds Jessica Jones controls her for a period of 53 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: eight months. He keeps her in captivity, essentially abuses her 54 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: sexually assaults her. But the thing that finally breaks Jessica 55 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: free is when she is ordered to kill a woman 56 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: named Reva Connors, who she barely knows and is the 57 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: wife of someone that later on she's gonna care about 58 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: a lot. Jessica escapes, she moaves to Hell's kitchen. She 59 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: becomes a private detective. She becomes an alcoholic. Later, a 60 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: college athlete named Hope Schlatman goes missing her, her parents 61 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: hire Jessica. Jessica finds out that this whole thing is 62 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: probably a setup. She recognizes the outlines of what has 63 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: happened here. There's a nice girl, this new man the 64 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: hotel room. Folks, it's kill Grave. He set a trap 65 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: in order to find Jessica. Jessica gets hope out, puts 66 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: her on a bush, walks off the bus, shoots both 67 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: her parents in an elevator under Killgrave's control. 68 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 3: Kill Grave's back, folks, Dude, that's one of the craziest 69 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 3: endings to a model will ever And you Jessica just 70 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 3: walking away once again in that horrific feeling of like, 71 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 3: this is my fault. Everyone that I try and help 72 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 3: gets hut. But of course the fault is at the 73 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: hands of kill Grave. But yeah, that episode ending shocked 74 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 3: me when we. 75 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 2: Rewatched Very Dark. 76 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: Wow, this whole season is. 77 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: It's so so dark. 78 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: So Jessica wants not just to capture and kill kill Grave, 79 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: but to essentially he reveal his powers and his existence 80 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: to the world, to document what he's done in order 81 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: to clear the names of his victims and hopefully get 82 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: people to realize that this man is a superpowered villain, 83 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: and those do exist. Along the way, she meets Luke 84 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: Cage Bulletproof Bartender. They have a relationship, but of course 85 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: Jessica's got a lot of trauma. She's got a lot 86 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: of secrets she can't tell him, and when she eventually 87 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: does tell him, it's a devastating reveal. Killgrave gets worse 88 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: and worse. He buys Jessica's child at home. He gets 89 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: his father, Albert Thompson, the guy who did the experiments 90 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: on him as a child, to perform a different procedure 91 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: in order to amplify his powers, which he then goes 92 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: out and like tag, yeah, no, do that. Hope Schlatman 93 00:05:55,360 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: kills herself in prison. It's a terrible moment of agency 94 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: by her, a desire to take control before kil Grave 95 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: can take it back. And it's important because it frees 96 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: Jessica from the obligation to try and save Hope also, 97 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: and it just frees her to just stop kill Grave. 98 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: The finale, kill Grave takes over an auditorium. He commands 99 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: Jessica and it seems like it's working, but unbeknownst to everyone, 100 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: she has spent weeks building a tolerance to his power 101 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: because she's kind of understands now how the power works, 102 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: and she's allowed herself, through controlled exposure, one session at 103 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: a time, to make herself resistant the way you kind 104 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: of resist a virus, which is his power works very 105 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: similar to a virus. She lets him believe right up 106 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: until the last moment that she is under his control, 107 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: and then she breaks his neck. He dies mid sentence, 108 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: mid delusion, absolutely convinced that she is coming back to 109 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: him and he's dead. A wonderful ending, yes, very very dark, scotic. 110 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 3: Paul and Larry's Durnock season great, great, just terrible experience 111 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 3: to watch that show, but in like a really cathartic way. 112 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 3: And of course now we are onto Jason's not faith, 113 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 3: but he will defend it the Defenders. He is the 114 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 3: Defender Defender, just like I am the Eternal's eternal fan. 115 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: All four heroes are at some kind of rock bottom 116 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 3: when we meet them in The Defenders twenty seventeen. Matt 117 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 3: Murdock has quit being dead of or he's gone back 118 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 3: to law. It never lasts long, but you know he's trying. 119 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: He's trying. Luke Caate's just go out of prison. Will 120 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 3: they stop putting him in there never that's his curse. 121 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 3: Apparently Danny Rand just got back from kodlun Well, and 122 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 3: Jessica is just still Jessica. She's still going through it. 123 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 3: Her current case is a missing husband, which we know 124 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 3: is what she traffics in. John Raymond, an architect married 125 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 3: to a woman named Michelle, has vanished. Jessica traces him 126 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 3: to tunnels underground beneath a gleaming Manhattan skyscraper called Midland Circle. 127 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: John Raymond left explosives behind. He wanted to destroy it himself, 128 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: and that's when we find out that the Hand none 129 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 3: other than the iconic Marvel villain group. The Hand is 130 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 3: in the tunnels underneath the building, an ancient criminal organization 131 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: that's been threading its way through all four solo series, 132 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 3: converging now because New York sits on one of the 133 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 3: last deposits of the substance powering their resurrection. 134 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: This is rituals, this is where is this stuff? Goofy Absolutely, 135 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: it's so, it's kind of fun, it's kind of yeah. 136 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: But this. 137 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: I will defend it. I will continue to. 138 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: Do I get it. 139 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 3: You're saying, you're not necessarily this is going the specifics 140 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 3: of the resurrection ritual magic running under Wishbusters. 141 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: It's very Ghostbusters and you just wish the hand was 142 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: better and not run by a white woman. Also, like 143 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: this is how. 144 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 3: Weird, especially strange, especially when they had actually already introduced 145 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 3: like multiple incredible like Asian, American and Asian women in 146 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 3: the in the lead up to the hand reveal. So 147 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 3: that white woman Alexander Ree and her weapon is oh 148 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 3: bad news for Matt Murdoch. Electra Nacchios's ex girlfriend, who 149 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 3: is killed at the end of Dead Level season two 150 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 3: and has now been resurrected as the Black Sky. The 151 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 3: four heroes come together badly. They attack a hand. They 152 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 3: deal with a hand attack at a Chinese restaurant that 153 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,719 Speaker 3: forces the issue, allowing them to have that big Avengers 154 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: esque fight for the first time. It takes a little 155 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: bit long to get there, but works pretty well. I 156 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 3: think that fight scene hat stands up and it is 157 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 3: pretty satisfying. Jessica's response to learning there are other powered 158 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: people is not wonder or solidarity, though it is mild 159 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: dry contempt. She is interested in the case, that is all, 160 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 3: though I don't believe her because I know her eyes 161 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 3: lit up. Yeah, she saw dead evil Matt Murdoch come on, 162 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 3: the Hand needs Danny Brandt specifically, Oh really, that seems unlikely. 163 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 3: It seems like the kind of choice little white person 164 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 3: running the Hand would make. And Iron Fist is the 165 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: only one who can open the chamber below Midland Circle. 166 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 3: It is Iron Fist and the rest of the series 167 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 3: is the four hero is trying and mostly failing to 168 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 3: prevent that from happening. Alexandra gets killed by Electra. That's 169 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 3: Calma baby who hands. He takes over the Hand and 170 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 3: starts acting on instinct love that former Electra pushing through. 171 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 3: Matt can see it, and he won't leave it alone 172 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 3: because he loves her. The finale goes underground, the fights ugly. 173 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 3: Matt stays behind. He's made his choice about Electra and 174 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 3: nobody's talking him out of it. Jessica, Luke and Danny 175 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 3: get out, Midland Circle collapses. Matt Murdoch is, by all 176 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: available evidence dead. 177 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 2: He's that's it. That's it. 178 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: You're never gonna see him again, guys, Sorry if you 179 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 3: like that character. Jessica Jonas, who has resisted every step 180 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 3: of this, walks back out into the city and just 181 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 3: goes back to work in New York and god damn it, 182 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 3: we respect her for it. 183 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: That leads us to season two of Jessica Jones from 184 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, also feeling like a million years ago. Yeah, 185 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: this season is primarily about Igh and what they did, 186 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: what else they did in addition to experimenting on Jessica, 187 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: there is a killer who is working through everyone connected 188 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: to Igh, eliminating them before Jessica can talk to them. 189 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: The killer is Alyssa Jones, Oh, Jessica's mom, who Jessica 190 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: believed was dead in that car crash seventeen years ago. 191 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 3: Except crazy. 192 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: Alyssa's injuries were so catastrophic that Igh's treatment took many, 193 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: many years to work, and when she came out the 194 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: other side of it, she I guess you would essentially say, 195 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: has like borderline personalities interest She goes from a very loving, 196 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: like generous mom to like a ruthless killer. 197 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: At the drop of a hat. 198 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really interesting choice, and it's one of 199 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 3: many that we get in season two where they kind 200 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 3: of start to bring about different versions of is that 201 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 3: we've seen before. 202 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: Yes, right, so Alissa has spent this intervening seventeen years 203 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 1: trying to kind of manage these wild swings in her 204 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: personality with the help of doctor Carl Malice, an igh 205 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: scientist who experimented on both mother and daughter and with 206 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: whom she has fallen apparently sincerely in love with. 207 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no baby. This is bad news. 208 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: It's not as there's a lot of problems with this, 209 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: but it's hard to explain that to Alyssa in her 210 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: current state. Meanwhile, Trish is spiraling separately. She is feeling 211 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: like she doesn't have agency, doesn't have control of her life, 212 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: and she really wants powers. She's always wanted them. She 213 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: wants to be a superhero. She gets access to combat 214 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: enhancer that turns Simpson into a liability. She uses it, 215 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: she gets addicted and tells herself everything she's doing is 216 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: to help Tessica. Jerry Hogarth finds out she has als. 217 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: She gets conned by two people who offer her a 218 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: healer and then rob her. 219 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 2: And leave her disy. 220 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 3: Also, like I do, I will say did completely forget 221 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 3: to shout out that there's a lot of like hot 222 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 3: Trinity action lesbian action in the first season of Jessica Jones, 223 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 3: which you know does does continue here. 224 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: Yes, Malice dies Alica escapes, Jessica goes with her towards 225 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: Canada with the police, you know, hot on their trail. 226 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: Alyssa pulls over at a fair ground she and Jessica 227 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: visited when Jessica was a child. 228 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 3: Then Trish shoots her because she's been taking that nuke, 229 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 3: that crazy taking. 230 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: That new mothery, and she tells Jessica she did it 231 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: to protect her. Jessica and Tricia's friendship continues, It survives, like. 232 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 3: Those two are so fucked up by Tricia's mind. 233 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: Of course, Jessica is more alone at the end of 234 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: season two than she was at the beginning and even 235 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: at the beginning of season one. 236 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that takes us to Jessica Jones's last on 237 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 3: screen appearance, Jessica Jones Season three from twenty nineteen. The 238 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 3: villain is Gregory Salinger, an unpowered serial killer, formula champion wrestler, 239 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 3: and a man who has built an entire philosophy around 240 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 3: the idea that exceptional ability is cheating, that it devalues 241 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 3: human achievement, and the gifted people of frauds who deserve 242 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 3: to be exposed. He is methodical. He understands evidence and 243 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 3: how to avoid leaving it he studies Jessica specifically and 244 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 3: adjusts around her. And honestly, I gotta say, Jessica, you 245 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 3: were really gonna get this happened into you at some point, 246 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 3: because you've just been going around lifted around cars. 247 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: Like even after the Battle of. 248 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 3: New York, when everyone was pretty like anti the events 249 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 3: and the superheros, you were still just like throwing a car, 250 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 3: like threatening a guy with laser eyes. So this was 251 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: probably gonna happen for you. Now Trish has those powers, 252 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 3: she has those enhanced reflexes, that agility, night vision, the 253 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: kind of feline precision that the comics will call hell 254 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 3: Cap because that is who Patsy Walker is originally. And 255 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 3: the take that they did is very interesting on this 256 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: notion of her being kind of a fictionalized version, just 257 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 3: like she is in the comics, but here she's the 258 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 3: fictionalized version pushed on by a kind of fame hungry mother. 259 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 3: It's very interesting. So now we have another superhor vigilante 260 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 3: on the streets, hell Cat, and then Salaja is like, 261 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 3: I gotta do something about this. I'm sick of these vigilantes. 262 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: This is sounding very akin to what we saw Wilson 263 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: do in Born again, so I think we could definitely 264 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 3: see some parallels here. But he breaks into Dorothy Walker's 265 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 3: home and murders her. Dun, dun. It's Trish who finds 266 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 3: the body, and that is it. She's over it. She 267 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 3: stops trying to work within any system. She hunts Salndary down, 268 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 3: finds him in a courthouse elevator and chains and kills him. Wow, 269 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: not even able to defend himself. 270 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: Crazy. 271 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 3: And Jessica, who is kind of spent the whole season 272 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 3: holding Trish back, is now kind of having to face 273 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 3: what season two asked her to face, which is like, Babe, 274 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 3: your friend just shot your mom in the head, Like, 275 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 3: got to do something about that. So she just to 276 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 3: expose Trish publicly. Not the way I would have dealt 277 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 3: with it, but you know, go for it, Babe. Turns 278 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 3: her into a fugitive, very Spider Man esque, turns her 279 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 3: into a small airport on Long Island, where Trish is 280 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 3: trying to flee the country in a coffin, literally in 281 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 3: a coffin. This is so Sunset Beach, Like, I love 282 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 3: this insane plot. Like in the final confrontation, Trish tries 283 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 3: to stab Jessica through the chest, but Jessica lets it 284 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 3: go through her hand knocks her, you know, kind of 285 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 3: adopted sister and best friend out, and then Trisha ends 286 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 3: up in the raft. Bro I feel like that was 287 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: kind of hardcore, Like, I mean, the raft is crazy. Yes, 288 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 3: that's where they put the Avengers when they won't sign 289 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 3: the fucking like so Kovia accords. This woman just like 290 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 3: stabbed a couple of people that have us all the time. 291 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 3: But very interesting. I definitely think this is one of 292 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: the ultimate threads that could be brought back because we 293 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 3: are going back to the raft. Also, we know they're 294 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 3: trying to fill those damage control prisons. We could see 295 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 3: prisoners from the raft less important prisons. 296 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: And up there. 297 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 3: Jessica then hands over ALIAS investigations to Malcolm her kind 298 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 3: of ally throughout this, she goes to a bus take 299 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 3: and buys a ticket to El Paso, Texas, and then 300 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 3: she stands there hearing kill Grave's voice. It's really just 301 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 3: her PTSD, don't worry the anxiety of it, given strength 302 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 3: and sound, and he's telling her, yeah, give up, like 303 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 3: go away, this is what you should do. Run away 304 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 3: like you always do. You're right, And in that moment, 305 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 3: she turns around and she goes back to New York 306 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 3: because she's like, fuck kill Grave and fuck PTSD, fuck 307 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 3: ol Paso, Texas too. I guess she's like, I'm staying 308 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 3: in New York. I'm paying forty five hundred dollars for rent. 309 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 3: It's important. 310 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: Let's say a quick break and we'll discuss the lasting 311 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: legacy of Jessica Jones Seasons one, two, and three plus 312 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: The Defenders. 313 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: Okay, we're back. 314 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: First of it's crazy, it feels like this show came 315 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,479 Speaker 1: out a lifetime ago. This was like the heat of 316 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: Me Too, and this show was responding to it in 317 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: a way that it feels, I mean, rewatching this, it 318 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: was like I'm back in that time. I felt like 319 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 1: I was back in it. The show grapples with those 320 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: kinds of with that kind of subject matter, the idea 321 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: of trauma, the idea of trauma related to sexual assault, control, 322 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: coercive behavior, getting people to believe you, and turns it 323 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: into really gripping, a dark drama. I think it absolutely 324 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 1: stands up, but it's also like, it also feels like 325 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: such a it's crazy to be like, God, I wish 326 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: we could go back to twenty fifteen a little bit. 327 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 3: TI Generation definitely kind of deal is kind of like 328 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 3: we remember that arrow at twenty fifteen we were like, oh, 329 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 3: that was like we're doing some stuff was happening, And 330 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 3: from twenty sixteen on whatevery year, we're like, wait, let's 331 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 3: go back man, Like I think that was the last one. 332 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 3: It does feel crazy to watch a show like this 333 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 3: that was just roundly celebrated when it came out. There 334 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 3: was no controversy. It was not like it's well, I'm 335 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 3: sure there was a little bit, but the conversation was 336 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 3: not it's too woke, it's anti men. It was a 337 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 3: conversation going, wow, here is a show that has been 338 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 3: adapted by women from comics made by men that had 339 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 3: their own subversive, radical nature, but also needed to be evolved, 340 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 3: just like Jessica Jones as a character will need to 341 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 3: be evolved. And some of the choices that we were 342 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 3: made in season one of Jessica Jones, especially around Reava 343 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 3: and Luke, those still don't hit very well for people. 344 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 3: And that's a project of its time and who made 345 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 3: the show too. But it did feel like it was 346 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 3: moving in the right direction. It was the ark of 347 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 3: justice is going towards like you know, justice not the 348 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 3: other way. So I think it feels crazy to watch 349 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 3: something and just be able to feel like wow, like 350 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 3: this is so definitively about how wrong this man's actions are, 351 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 3: and it uses superheroes as a way it's always been 352 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: done to tell this really analogous, powerful story. I found 353 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 3: this stuff with Hope in the first episode so heartbreaking, 354 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 3: because there's that moment where Jessica goes into the hotel 355 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 3: and literally has to drag her out of the room 356 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 3: and she's going, I can't leave, and she's screaming and 357 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 3: she's holding on, and we know it's because kill Grave, 358 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 3: not kill Manger. He would never do that. A radical man. 359 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 3: Kill Grave has programmed her and that is why we 360 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 3: know she's doing it. But the response looks like a 361 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 3: woman who is so scared to leave her abusive partner 362 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 3: that she doesn't want to leave in case she gets 363 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 3: in trouble or something happens to her or she upsets him. 364 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 3: It's really visceral stuff, and I think it really does 365 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 3: feel like it has so much more edge and so 366 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 3: much more grit than what we get now in superhero 367 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 3: shows in general, and it's very interesting. One of my 368 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 3: favorite things about watching these odd shows is seeing what 369 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 3: they were allowed to say and not allowed to say. 370 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 3: Like you don't get a lot of character mention names, 371 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 3: don't get a lot of stuff about you know in 372 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 3: the comics, as we will get into, but like Jessica 373 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 3: Jones was originally going to be Jessica Drew, so there 374 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 3: are all these Spider Man connections but obviously couldn't do that. 375 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 3: We have these connections to Carol Danvers, but she wasn't 376 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 3: in the MCU yet. So it's really and this is 377 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 3: when you know, Jeff Loebe was still running TV and 378 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 3: five you was still running the movies. So it's also 379 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 3: this really interesting historical time piece of how they worked 380 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 3: around those kind of issues and write and legacy and license, which, 381 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 3: by the way, guys, as me and Jason always say, 382 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 3: is one of the reasons that MCU is so amazing 383 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 3: because it was working against all of those things that 384 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 3: was causing them to be interesting. Do different takes take 385 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 3: from different places. So I think you really feel that 386 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 3: coming through, and I hope that it can bring a 387 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 3: little bit more of that grit back. I also just 388 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 3: thought the banter between her and Luke was so good, 389 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 3: like that just struck me. This is great flirtatious writing. 390 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: This is why I like Defenders, because even though the 391 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: story sucks and they did a bad job with the 392 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: hand and many other things, the banter between the heroes 393 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: is legitimately fun. Like the restaurant attack is fun. The 394 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 1: way they all kind of like work together get to 395 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: know each other begrudgingly. The way they make fun of 396 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: Maks the only one wearing a mask, is like legitimately fun. 397 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: And they had Greek chemistry and that it was part 398 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: of what made Jessica Jones so fun, particularly season one, 399 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: which I think is among the best things that Marvel's 400 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: ever done. 401 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 3: Oh definitely. 402 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: Sadly, I think season two and three hold up less well. 403 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 2: Dea I wonder. 404 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 3: I think they make a lot of choices around, like 405 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 3: trying to bring in women antagonists that don't necessarily work. 406 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 3: I think that they got a bit worried that if 407 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 3: she had too many women, she couldn't be depressed or something, 408 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,959 Speaker 3: so they thought killing him all off. I don't know. Okay, 409 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 3: but speaking of that, let me ask you, what do 410 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 3: you think the odds are of like a Trish return. 411 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 3: If I'm giving you like three characters that I think 412 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 3: could return and Born Again. I'm going Trish Night nas 413 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 3: Luke Cage. What's your ranking of likelihood that we'll see 414 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 3: them in Born Again? 415 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: I would put them all at fairly even odds to return. 416 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: I think that Trish first of all, as we talked 417 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: about in our Spring look Ahead Television episode, I think 418 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: season three, while not like a great season of comic 419 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: book television, has a lot of things that the MCU 420 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: can build on going forward, namely the raft and Trish 421 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: being in there and the kind of anti superhero yeah, 422 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: the street level consensus that maybe superheroes aren't great all 423 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: the time that is just kind of simmering at that moment, 424 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: and so I think bringing Trish back, like is she 425 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: still in the raft, like what's going on? Like, I 426 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: think it would be that would be a really cool 427 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: thing to pick up. The Night Nurse is somebody who, 428 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: let's be on honest, needs to just kind of be 429 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: lurking in the background of all of these street level 430 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: Marvel shows. 431 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 3: It's the ultimate suspension of disbelief thing. She's always fixing 432 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 3: them up, so. 433 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: You know, she's always there. So I kind of feel 434 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 1: like maybe that character has the best shot of just 435 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: always being in a Marvel Street level something, and Luke 436 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: I just want him back. 437 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 3: Luke I went back to also Mike Cult, you know, 438 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 3: unbelievable in one of my most underrated TV shows, Evil. 439 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 3: I just think he has so much more range than 440 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 3: he was even allowed to showcase in that. I also 441 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 3: think that the MCU has While in some ways we 442 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 3: know that there have been issues with the quality or consistency, 443 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 3: I also feel like the ideas of the kinds of 444 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 3: stories they tell and the kinds of people they let 445 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 3: to be in different kind of stories is so much 446 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 3: broader now. I think all of those characters would be 447 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 3: really great at that. Okay, another question I was thinking 448 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 3: the whole time I was watching this, Jason, obviously you 449 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 3: got wait a second, you're thinking about news stories, you're 450 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 3: thinking about mysteries. What is left in the MCU that 451 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 3: the gen pop of the MCU don't know that you 452 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 3: would want Jessica to be solving if she comes back in, 453 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 3: Like what detective stories are you putting out there for her? 454 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 3: Like what mysteries can she still solve? Because obviously now 455 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 3: that line between cosmic and chaos and multiverse is like 456 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 3: a lot closer to the ground level stuff. But what 457 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 3: would you most like to see him kind of investigating. 458 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot of ways to tie 459 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: in doomsday and a post doomsday MC reality to street 460 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: level stuff. It is kind of inconceivable to me that 461 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: Doom hasn't visited six one six a few times, you know, 462 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: to just whatever, gain intel, do research, get the lay of. 463 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 2: The land, look around. 464 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: Maybe he did something that looks like a weird, mysterious 465 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: unsolved crime that actually is doctor Doom lurking around on 466 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: the streets stuff, stealing a thing that he needs. 467 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 2: You know, for his mission. 468 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: And I think Jessica kind of stumble on something like 469 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: that could be really cool that would lead to you know, 470 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: would just be one threat. You wouldn't really need to 471 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: pay it off, but it'd be a good way to 472 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 1: seed stuff happening in the future. And honestly, that's how 473 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: the comics do it. You know, exactly when there's like 474 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: a big event, even if a tangential character is not 475 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: involved in whatever crossover event, you'll often have little easter 476 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: eggs dropped in there that are like, oh, this will 477 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: be more will be said about this in the up command. 478 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: Big event. 479 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: And so I think you can do stuff like that 480 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: with Jessica, just have her stumble across interesting evidence, weird 481 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: investigations that that lead to Doom. 482 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah. I think that's a really good idea. 483 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 3: And also I think that something that we can do 484 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 3: here is essentially like we were talking about in Offspring TV. 485 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 3: This is kind of giving like Dave Filoni expanded out 486 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 3: the MCU, I mean, expanded out Star Wars with you know, 487 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 3: the Clone Wars. This is a way for them to 488 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 3: give us a little bit more knowledge about the Netflix 489 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 3: world and what is still there and what isn't still there, 490 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 3: the same way that Born Again did in such a 491 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 3: great way in the first season. So I love that. 492 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 3: I would love to kind of see them seeding these 493 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 3: strange things that are eventually gonna pay off. Because if 494 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 3: you do have, you know, a super being, if it's 495 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 3: got Emperor Doom or if it's just super intelligent Doom 496 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 3: from that area with his magic, you're gonna be traces 497 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 3: of that. He's gonna be leaving traces of that around 498 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 3: the MCU. He's gonna be causing strange problems, little issues. 499 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 3: I would love to see Jessica go on something that 500 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 3: seems like a very routine case but ends up being 501 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 3: like strangely accult or strangely connected to Doom. That would 502 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 3: be really fun. 503 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: And on a more kind of day to day level, 504 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: we don't know if Jessica was blipped or not, but 505 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: oh I could see her. I could see her spending 506 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: time investigating disappear of people were blipped, what. 507 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 2: Happened to them? Or she's doing did they have. 508 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 3: People who were blipped who never came back? That would 509 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:12,239 Speaker 3: be great kind of missing missing people's question, also a 510 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 3: really great way for them to you know, one of 511 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 3: the shows that I know not everyone looks fondly back on, 512 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 3: but we were really enjoying when it was coming out 513 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 3: was The Joyous Joyous She Hulk That was just so 514 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 3: much fun and had so much humor. And what I 515 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 3: thought they did really well that we can look back 516 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 3: on and take from that, and I hope they were 517 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 3: doing these upcoming shows, is how they used day to 518 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 3: day kind of business of the law firm to introduce 519 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 3: multiple Marvel characters. Jessica can do that through looking for 520 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 3: those missic people. You know, as she's exploring, you can 521 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 3: get your three D men or your kind of funny 522 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 3: whatever weird thing that you were really interested in. I 523 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 3: think there's ways to do that. So I think that's 524 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 3: a great call. 525 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: You know what else she could do? I'm right about this. 526 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: Right in She Hulk, did we discovered that the sokvia 527 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: Of cords were repealed? 528 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: Yes? They were about so. 529 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: Where's Trish? Does that mean that the legal basis for 530 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: detaining Trish is gone? And what if Trish never shows up? 531 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: And what if Jessica's like, well, where the fuck is 532 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: trishman disappeared to you? If you can't keep her anymore? 533 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 3: Oh okay, and then what about this? Because this is 534 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 3: just we're just riffing, so Marvel, yeah, hire us. But 535 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 3: that could lead to your discovery of the X Mansion 536 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 3: is basically a place that Charles Xavier has taken in 537 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 3: not only mutants but also superpowered people who wouldn't sign 538 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 3: up for the Sokovier cords or on the run. So 539 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 3: I think you're right. There's so many interesting things. And 540 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 3: it's funny because when you watch the show, it feels 541 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 3: so separate and so different and so isolated, and it's 542 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 3: in a way that is all complimentary. That was the point, 543 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 3: but when you actually start looking back at it, I 544 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 3: absolutely understand why. The storytellers and execs and everyone at 545 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 3: Marvel was like, oh wait, there is so much to 546 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 3: pull from here, Like we got to bring her back, 547 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 3: and her and Mass so good together. 548 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: You're so good together. I'm really excited for it. Okay, 549 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: Le's seek a quick break and we'll be right back 550 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: with you giving us some comics recommendations for fans of 551 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: Jessica Dreams. 552 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 3: And we're back in this very serious segment called where 553 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 3: did You Come From? Where did You Go? Where did 554 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 3: You Come From? Comic book character Jessica Jones. Although she 555 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 3: is I would say best known for her stint as 556 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 3: part of Netflix's You Know MCU affiliated now at least 557 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 3: somewhat MCU official Defenders team, she first debuted as part 558 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 3: of the very edgy early Marvel Max imprint. I had 559 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 3: a lot of fun rereading this. For this, written by 560 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 3: Brian Michael bendis obviously Marvel legend and drawn by Michael Gatos, 561 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 3: an icon. The story had at one point originally been 562 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 3: considered as a Jessica Drew relaunch as part of the 563 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 3: Marvel Max imprint in two thousand and one, post the 564 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 3: comic book Boom and Crash, Marvel was doing a lot 565 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 3: more crazy ideas you've heard us talk about, you know, 566 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 3: Franken Castle, Frankenstein Punisher, stuff like that, and a lot 567 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 3: of these Marvel Knights, Marvel Max. They came out of 568 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 3: that tumultuous time where they could try other stuff. So 569 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 3: it became quite clear that it would probably not end 570 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 3: up being Spider Woman. Maybe because and this is a 571 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 3: real quote from Brian Cronin's legendary comic book Legends Revealed 572 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 3: kind of comic book folklore, truth or no truth, kind 573 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 3: of the early snopes of comic book news. This is 574 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 3: a real quote that Brian Ben has said for his 575 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 3: vision for this book originally was a pornographic dial h 576 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 3: for hero. So you can imagine why they might have 577 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 3: been like, maybe not Spider Woman. 578 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: The first ruler of the comic is fuck exactly, and 579 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna learn more because this is the thing. 580 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 3: So then you start to realize they need a different character. 581 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 3: He decides he's gonna create a unique character, Jessica obviously 582 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 3: still named after Jessica Drew, but Jessica Jones, who is 583 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,959 Speaker 3: no longer you know, Spider Woman, but is still a PI. 584 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 3: And that enabled him to make the very controversial comic 585 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 3: that would become a talking point because of its very 586 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 3: hardcore sexual content. Inserting Jessica interestingly into interesting important moments 587 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 3: through Spider Man history because of her original connection to 588 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 3: Drew means that in the comic, she is there revealed 589 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 3: to be there when Peter gets bitten by his radioactive 590 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 3: spider Bendis was also able to lean into the original 591 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 3: inspiration because Jessica Drew was a PI and that was 592 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 3: where the comic came from. So now he had a 593 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 3: completely original character with connections to an iconic hero and 594 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 3: none of the worrisome ties to a more prudish time, 595 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 3: which men he could do what he really wanted, show 596 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 3: Jessica Jones getting railed on page by Luke Cage. That 597 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 3: is really what this book is about, guys like that 598 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 3: is what he wanted. That would happen in the very 599 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 3: first issue with a multiple page sex scene of her 600 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 3: get fuck from behind. It's very, very very graphic, immediately 601 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 3: establishing that this wasn't a comic for kids, bi bang Pow, etc. 602 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 3: The series would then quickly dive into Jones's past as 603 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 3: a superheroine known as Jewel. This series is called Alias 604 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 3: by the way, alias number one is where she debuted. 605 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 3: You can read this on your favorite Marvel Unlimited or 606 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 3: Libby app. You can even grab a trade and we 607 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 3: get into some of the stuff Jason talked about from 608 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 3: the TV show. She's Jewel, a young superheroine with a 609 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 3: bright smile and offensively cheery costume whose peaceful life as 610 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 3: a young child was destroyed when her family were killed 611 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 3: on the way to Disney World crashing into a nuclear 612 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 3: radioactive waste truck very similar to Matt Murdock's powers, and 613 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 3: she is eventually adopted by seemingly kind parents who put 614 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 3: her back into school and they seem to be up 615 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 3: and up for the Radioactive Team, but her costumed career 616 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 3: ends into tragedy after she tries to stop the nightmarish 617 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 3: psychic villain known as Kilgrave aka the Purple Man. Fans 618 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 3: of the show will know where that story goes, But 619 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 3: what you might not know Marvel didn't actually have the 620 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 3: rights at the time or the guts to have introduced 621 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 3: a big screen female hero. So in the comics, Jessica 622 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 3: Jones is actually saved from Kilgrave by none other than 623 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,439 Speaker 3: Carol Danvers, who is the only Avenger who knows who 624 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 3: she is, and then she is taken to the X 625 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 3: Mansion to have a psychic block put on her brain 626 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 3: by none other than Jean Gray to help her protect 627 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 3: herself against Killgrave. I love the version needed in the 628 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 3: comics where they give her a bit more agency, but 629 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 3: obviously we love Geen Gray, so that would have been 630 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 3: nice to see in the comics. She would later on 631 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 3: go along to fight alongside the Avengers, she would get 632 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 3: married to Luke Cage, they would have a child who 633 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 3: would go on to get babysat by Squirrel Girl and It. 634 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 3: But even with all of that kind of juicy jaunty stuff, 635 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 3: it was really her dark and noir drenched original series 636 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 3: that fans remember. That doesn't mean she hasn't been active though, 637 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 3: as you may have spotted Jones in the original Young 638 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 3: Avenger series. She's like one of the few serious adults. 639 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 3: We have multiple events that she's featured in, like Civil War, 640 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 3: Dark Grain, and Secret Invasion, and she even got her 641 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 3: own superhero man during the twenty tens, taking on the 642 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 3: name of power Woman because she was married to Luke 643 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 3: Cage power Man. Most recently, though, and most excitingly, Sam 644 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 3: Humphries the writer this year has pited her against Slash, 645 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 3: teamed her up with one of my favorite characters from 646 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 3: Dead ebul kanan typhoid Mary, in a Hannibal like the 647 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 3: Esque scheme to catch a new nefarious serial killer in 648 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 3: the re released now new Alias series called Alias Red Band, 649 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 3: which is that really super violent stuff marb has been doing. 650 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 3: So that's a little bit of comic book history about 651 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 3: Jessica Jones and where you can find her. Jason, do 652 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 3: you remember the first time that you read Alias? 653 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: Oh, yes, I do. I read it in the comic 654 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: book store because I didn't have money. I didn't have 655 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: a lot of spending money at that particular time, so 656 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: I was doing a lot of standing in the comic 657 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: book store reading stuff. 658 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 2: As it came out. 659 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: And then later on I did buy the kind of 660 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: like Max Compendium, but this would be after mister Bendis 661 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: had kind of like ascended to being essentially like the 662 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: creative the main creative force at Marvel for the early 663 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,439 Speaker 1: parts of the of the two thousands. So it really 664 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: left an impression, you know, it was reading that at 665 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 1: the time I had I was not like super aware 666 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: of Bendis. I had, I had who had become most 667 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: familiar with his work through Daredevil. But the thing that 668 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: like still strikes me about Alias and Bendis's like work 669 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 1: even to this day. I think Bendess is great. I 670 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: think I think he did a lot to revitalize Marvel, 671 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: like a lot, a lot, a lot, and his influence 672 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: on the early MCU is something that you can't you 673 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: can't can't be denied, can't underrate it, like particularly Tony's 674 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: relationship to the Avengers and Steve et cetera. Like a 675 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: lot of that groundwork was was laid by Brian Michael Bendis. 676 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 1: That guy loves to pack the words. 677 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 3: In man, he loves writer, and he's also he's just 678 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 3: a white guy doing his best. So there's a lot 679 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 3: of stuff in there that you know doesn't always hold up. 680 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 3: It is a dense book, and I would definitely say 681 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 3: for some of our audience members like take in account 682 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 3: the trigger warnings, read about the stuff that's in there. 683 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 3: It's a very brutal book, but it was very different 684 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 3: for the time. And I think something that again really 685 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 3: stood out to me on Rewatch the first season of 686 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 3: the show is really quite similar, Like there's a lot 687 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 3: of character imaginings. Yeah, with introducing stuff, but the meat 688 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 3: of it, and even like the opening and the broad 689 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 3: shape is really akin to it, which is a fun 690 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 3: experience if you're someone who hasn't gotten to see something 691 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 3: that's been that closely adapted. Because obviously a lot of 692 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 3: our Infinity sagas and our kind of civil wars are 693 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,879 Speaker 3: very loose takes on what the comics that they were 694 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 3: originally based on and have kind of shifted over the years. 695 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 3: But the early stuff of Max and this is really 696 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 3: really similar, really really similar. 697 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:02,879 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of our. 698 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 3: Favorites Jones, Jones moments or stories from the comics. 699 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: Well, I would go the original alias, I think for 700 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:16,240 Speaker 1: introducing Jessica Jones. Then I would say the Pulse. 701 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 3: Yes, I was gonna say, let's talk a little bit 702 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 3: about that, because that's part of our history I didn't 703 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 3: really get into. 704 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: So the Pulse is like how Jessica moved from the 705 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: Max universe to the mainstream markets. 706 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 2: Basically, she takes a job. 707 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: As a consultant at the Daily Bugle and is working 708 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:38,439 Speaker 1: with everybody's favorite to put upon journalist in New York City, 709 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: Ben Europe, and I think it's a break and they're 710 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: working on like a like a superhero centric column called 711 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: The Pulse that's gonna like report on everything going on 712 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: with superheroes. It's like it's like part trade magazine, like 713 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: the Hollywood Reporter of Variety and part TMS, but also 714 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: part like hard news. And it was just really cool, 715 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: like a really cool approach to the character. I love 716 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: Ben Urick, I love the Newly Bugle, I love that stuff, 717 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: and so I thought it was a I thought it 718 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,919 Speaker 1: was a really interesting way to integrate her character into 719 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:15,839 Speaker 1: the main Marvel time. 720 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 3: That's such a good point because also what's really unique 721 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,879 Speaker 3: about this book is the ability for Marvel to trust Brian, 722 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 3: Michael Bennis and Michael Gatos to do this book as 723 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 3: well to do the introduction, so it's still very much 724 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 3: in line with Alias. We get to see more of 725 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 3: Jewel here. This is just such a fun idea for 726 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 3: a book. I was very influenced by The Pulse when 727 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 3: I started my DC Dish column at DC, where I 728 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 3: basically became like an in universe gossip columnist. I love 729 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 3: that one great call. I'm also going to shout out 730 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,359 Speaker 3: the New Avengers. There was a New Avengers, great y'all 731 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 3: with Bye Brian, Michael Bennis and one of the best 732 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 3: right artists to ever do it, Olivia Koypel. We love 733 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 3: him so much. He's so unbelievable. And you get this 734 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,280 Speaker 3: really great marriage issue in that one. It's a marriage 735 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 3: story about Luke Age and Jessica Jones. The art is stunning. 736 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 3: You get to see baby Danielle, you get to see 737 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 3: the Avengers Tower wedding, and it's just some really interesting 738 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 3: fun stuff that then led into you know, these big seasons. 739 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: That's the wedding issue, right, it's so fun. 740 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 741 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,359 Speaker 1: I would then go with. 742 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 2: Blind Spot. 743 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. 744 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 1: Kellie Thompson and Mattia d a Eulis. 745 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 3: I believe this is I love Kelly did such a 746 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:33,439 Speaker 3: good job on. 747 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,919 Speaker 1: This book, did a great job. And I believe it's 748 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: the first time that Jessica Jones was written by someone 749 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 1: not Bendus. 750 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. 751 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 3: I also think it's the first time that she This 752 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 3: was when they launched a Jessica Jones series rather than 753 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,760 Speaker 3: Alias series. 754 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: And that one was fun. It didn't I think it 755 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: only lasted like a year and a half, but a 756 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 1: good run. There's some uh the investigated stuff, the kind 757 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: of long running arts are good. There's some like bottle 758 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,719 Speaker 1: Ish Shoes that are not so great. But I thought, 759 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: but it proved basically that like Jessica Jones is not 760 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 1: like a one off, it's anybody could write her, Like 761 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: if you have a good idea, then yeah, give it 762 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 1: to you know, you can use Jessica Jones. It's not 763 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: just Bendis who can who has like the trademark on 764 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: the character. 765 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 3: Interestingly, they actually did like a Bendis Defender's little arc 766 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 3: when the Defender's Show came out with Luke Cage with 767 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 3: Iron Fist, with Jessica Jones with Dead Devil in the 768 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 3: black and red suit with art by David Marquez. That 769 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 3: is also really fun. Like they were doing a lot 770 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 3: of stuff around the Marvel comics because this was at 771 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,879 Speaker 3: the time when they wanted to highlight the characters who 772 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 3: are owned by Marvel and who they were making money off, 773 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 3: so they would still make comics to tie them in, 774 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 3: whereas they wouldn't necessarily make comics if there was you know, 775 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 3: a Sony spider Man movie, et cetera. Some other fun 776 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 3: ones Jessica Jones and the variants. That was a gel 777 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,799 Speaker 3: simone one where it was kind of this idea of 778 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 3: like a team of all the characters she could have been. 779 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,799 Speaker 3: It's kind of like a time loopy, sliding doorsy sort 780 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 3: of story. So yeah, there's a lot of fun stuff, 781 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 3: and that new Jessica Jones book is really cool, so definitely, yeah, 782 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 3: check out that Alias Red band right now because that's 783 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 3: a really fun one to get into before the show 784 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:11,359 Speaker 3: comes back. 785 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 1: On the next episode of X ray Vision, we're going 786 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,840 Speaker 1: to the Sun, the Sun diving into Project Tale Icarus. 787 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening. X ray 788 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie Knight and 789 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 1: is a production of iHeart Podcast. 790 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman. 791 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abu Safar. 792 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,959 Speaker 3: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wax. 793 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,839 Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme 794 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman. 795 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and 796 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 3: Heidi our discord moderator